Make Art Like a MOTHER with Anne Zander, Clown

Welcome back to Secret Art Project! In this episode, we're diving into the world of clowning, which is probably weirder and darker than you are aware, with none other than the incredible Anne Zander, an actor, performer, and mother (not to mention a RADA grad!). Content Warning: In today's episode, Anne and I discuss our birth stories in detail, including topics like emergency C-sections, postpartum experiences, and motherhood. If these topics are sensitive for you, please feel free to skip this one. That conversation starts around 27:07. NOTES: Last week's guest, Kevin Max, just released a brand new EP called Horror—it's a collection of spooky cover songs, perfect for Halloween. You can grab it on Bandcamp for just $7. I'll play a little sneak peek at the end of this episode. Anne Zander is a talented clown and performer with a unique artistic approach to exploring human emotion through clowning. She shares her personal journey from studying theater in France and the UK. We talk about: How Anne’s childhood love for performance evolved into her career in clowning. The connection between failure and comedy, and how the clown always "fails" in a way that is deeply human. The creation of her one-woman show, Mother, which touches on the challenges of postpartum life and explores the physical and emotional tolls of motherhood in a contemporary clown style. Insights into how motherhood has shaped Anne’s artistic identity and the balance between being a mother and a creative. If you're in the Pacific Northwest, be sure to catch Anne's show Mother on October 25th in Olympia, Washington! Visit her website annezander.com or follow her on Instagram (@initialsAZ) for more details. If you're in Portland, consider taking one of her clown clinics—trust me, they’re transformative! Closing Thoughts: This conversation with Anne was such a special treat. If you have any questions or suggestions for future episodes, feel free to email me at [e-mail]. And if you're interested in deep dives on topics like motherhood, creativity, or just want to geek out about art, let me know what you'd like to hear on the show. Thank you all for tuning in this week, and a big shoutout to Kevin Max! I’ll leave you with a snippet of Into the Night from his new EP Horror. Check it out on KevinMax.Bandcamp.com. Yes, I use AI to help me write show notes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices