42: Penelope Mandel: A Spiritual Intuitive on Connecting With Spirit and Unlocking Your Intuition

In this episode of Secrets of Powerful Women, Jill Conway interviews Penelope Mandel, a spiritual intuitive, who shares her journey of discovering her intuitive abilities from a young age. Penelope answers questions like are you afraid of dying? What is our purpose on earth? She not only gives me a reading which makes me tear up but she discusses the importance of understanding energy, connecting with the spiritual world, and overcoming fear of the unknown. She emphasizes the significance of being open to spiritual experiences and the role of intuition in personal and professional life. The conversation also touches on daily spiritual practices, the impact of environment on well-being, and the purpose of life. Penelope encourages listeners to embrace their intuition and be aware of the signs around them.

You can work with Penelope. Email her at : [e-mail] or call 917-796-8205.

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Episode Transcript

(00:04):
Hey everybody, I'm Jill Conway. This is Sequence of Powerful
Women, a show dedicated to celebrating and supporting
strong and successful women and sharing their stories.
I'm hoping you will be inspired to pursue your own dreams,
reclaim your voice, feel empowered and discover your
strengths. So my guest today is Penelope
Mandel. She's a spiritual, intuitive,

(00:26):
and she's just a wonderful person to be around.
And she's going to guide us all today.
So Penelope, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Welcome. Thank you.
Thank you for inviting me. You're.
Very welcome. All right, So, Penelope, to talk
to me about how you found this calling.

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What happened in your life? For where were you and what is a
spiritual intuitive do? Well, I have a lot of different
titles. I really, since I was very, very
young, since I was two years old, I felt and sensed things
and I felt people's energies andI didn't know how to articulate

(01:08):
what I was feeling. But as I got older, I realized
that it was definitely picking up on people that my parents
knew, people that they had over at the house going out with my
parents. I came into a pretty
dysfunctional family, and I definitely had physical
responses to that. And I was terribly shy, and I

(01:31):
didn't understand half the time what I was hearing and feeling.
I didn't know why other people weren't sensing the same things
I was. So.
Go ahead. It just wasn't until I got older
that I started to realize that Iwas picking up on energy that
was not my own thinking, that I was picking up on other people.

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So you talk about what is it? Do you hear things?
Do you see things? It's a combination of
environmental things. Wherever I am, I'm not on all
the time. I think I would really lose my
mind if I was on all the time. But I learned as I got older to
cultivate understanding when I was meant to pay attention to

(02:19):
what I was hearing and what I was picking up around me.
And then as I got older, I started to understand a little
bit more what was happening for me because I really didn't
understand it. I'd be honest, struggling and
feeling credibly enclosed and encapsulated and feeling almost
like a sense of anxiety because I would feel overwhelmed with

(02:40):
the energy. Everybody carries energy.
Good, bad, indifferent. We all carry energy and I was
just incredibly sensitive to it from a very, very early age.
Oh, wow. So how did you get to the point
where you started to understand what that is?
Because I feel like most people just think I have anxiety.
Let's say I have anxiety, right?But they're not realizing that

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other people are in their space.Well I I was testing it when I
was a a teenager. I went to an environment with my
sister that they did testing on intuits psychics.
I did not know how to control any of this.

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I didn't know what was going on.I knew I had a sense of people,
places and things. I had an incredible connection
to animals. Animals had a very good
connection to me, but in relationship to defining it, I
didn't know until I was much older what that exactly was.
And then my family, my cousin Pam and her family encouraged

(04:11):
me. Oh, come on, come do readings
for us. Come do.
And I would just sit with peopleand I would take.
It started out with something called psychometry, where you
take an article from someone andyou hold it and you get
information from it. That's how it began for me.
Then I realized that as I went along, it was better to have a

(04:33):
physical thing to show people, which is why I started using
cards. I am not a tarot reader, but
every card I used has a saying on it, and it speaks to me.
And it just makes it easier for people to understand what I'm
saying versus trying to sit there and figure out, how does
she know me? Does she know somebody I know?
How does she know that? How could she?

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So it eliminated some of the doubt.
When I spoke with people they had a visual aid like a cue card
and that's how I've developed myreadings.
So I have a question about that.So that's very interesting cuz I
have, I've talked about this, I've been intrigued and part of

(05:16):
this whole psychic community for, since I was 16.
I've, I've just been incredibly fascinated by it And I, I've
been going to psychics since I was about 16 and I've always,
you know, it's so funny. It's so interesting to me that
everyone is a little different. And like you said, some, some
people use cards, some people don't use cards.

(05:38):
And the really good ones that I've known just use a regular
kind of deck of cards type of thing.
Like it's nothing like it's not what you would normally see and
and you have a different deck. Too.
I do. You used one of them, trust me.
One of the cards. Just to give you an example.
Now a lot of people think these are like tarot cards, and I

(06:01):
gather that there are some people that do use them for
tarot. I do not.
I use the top part of a card that has a saying which this one
is abundant. And then I take that and I apply
it to the individual I'm speaking to.
And as I hear a story, unwind. I get names, I get places, I get

(06:25):
situations that I have no reference to.
I don't most people I've never met before and it just starts to
unravel in my head as to the story or what I'm meant to be
saying to the person. Right, right.
And you pick up and, and do you hear, do you hear, as I think I

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said before, do you, do you see spirit?
Do you see, you know, someone's deceased relatives or do you
sense their energy? I, I, I have done both.
I'm not happy all the time when I see someone before and because
even for me when I was younger freaked me out.
I was like what am I? Why am I seeing this?

(07:07):
Why am I feeling this? And I would ask other people and
they it never happened to them. So I thought, Oh my God, you
know, something must be really crazy.
But the fact is I do. And I had the luxury and
amazing, amazing interactions with geriatric patients that I
knew were leaving and I was working in nursing homes and I

(07:31):
knew that they were transitioning to leave.
And I would have that distinct, incredible opportunity to help
them without anybody knowing because this was just me and
them. And I would speak to them and
really allow them the freedom todiscuss what they were
experiencing on a spiritual level.

(07:52):
This was not medical. This was completely spiritual.
But I always worked in medical environments.
And I used my ability to help, you know, make them feel freer
and able and feel comfortable inspeaking about what they were
experiencing. Wow, Wow.
I would, I mean, I, yeah, like you say it and like everyone

(08:14):
says, it is a transition from 1:00.
I don't know how you say it. One world to the next or 11
physical world to to the spiritual world, Right?
Most of all, people don't like necessarily feel comfortable
speaking about that or allowing their loved ones to speak in
ways of saying that they see their departed relatives.

(08:38):
Most people go, no, you don't. You know, they died many years
ago. Whereas I would say really, what
are they saying to you? What are you feeling?
What, what are they? Are they interacting with you?
I I wouldn't want to stop peoplefrom their own personal
experience. Go ahead.

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I know babies feel spirit. I know animals feel spirit.
And you could watch them watch just moving their heads from one
side of the room to the other and you know they're seeing
something. They just can't express it to
you, but you know that they're seeing something.

(09:20):
It's interesting. I remember one of my one of my
dogs, a Labrador at the time, used to go into my my living
room years ago. She's no longer with us, but
years ago and she used to just stare at this one couch, at this
one chair and just bark and her familiar bark where like she
sees something. You know what I mean?
It would be like if like if someone if she was staring out

(09:42):
the slider doors and and be barking on something like she
would and she would do a little growl and you almost saw like
this little indent in the in thechair and it was but that's
wild. That's.
What I encourage still for people to be more open and not
everyone is. And a lot of people are very
fearful of what they can't actually see tux or smell or

(10:07):
hear and they don't know how to express that energy.
Whereas I encourage people to really pay attention to those
signs because why not? I mean, we can't see carbon
monoxide and we know it could kill us.
So there's energy in the air that we do pick up on and we

(10:29):
sometimes ignore it. And I think that's sad because
to connect to our loved ones andthe spiritual level is an
amazing gift. It's a wonderful, wonderful gift
to have. And that's what I try to
encourage people to do. Right.
Would you say everyone is intuitive?

(10:49):
I believe majority of people arecapable of being intuitive.
I think a lot of that comes frompeople saying, you know, I had
that funny feeling in my belly. I had AI had a feeling about
that. But they don't take an action.
They don't do anything with it. And then after the fact, they
go, I knew that I that's it. That's their intuition working.

(11:16):
And they're not acting on it. They're hearing something, but
then they're not taking an action on it.
And then they question that feeling.
And I'm just trying to get people to not question the
feeling. Just be free, be free to feel
it. People see people in their
dreams. They feel like they have dreams

(11:38):
about people. I always feel it's a visit.
That's my that's my feeling. I don't feel the dreams are just
about, yes, we have dreams, but then there are real visits that
people do that have passed that come to us.
And I love that. I love hearing stories about
people having those dreams. I what they call dreams, I call

(12:00):
business. I have one for you.
I have one for you. So my father passed probably
about 22 years ago. And we, we were always, we
always talked about he had had astroke before that.
And we always watched crossing over with John Edward.
And we used to talk about thingslike this because again, I was
always into this. And one night and I might, I'm

(12:23):
sorry if I get upset, but one night I had a dream and he came
to me. And in the dream, you know, they
look like fine, you know, And hesaid he, he said, when you die,
you review your own life. He said you there's, there's no,

(12:45):
there's no big, you know, there's no God with you
reviewing your own life. And he said you are meant to
feel how you made someone else feel, right in different
situations. And I was like, wow, that's
wild. And I just remember having this
conversation with him, and in the dream, my mouth didn't move
and his mouth didn't move right.One another.
Right. We were just like looking at one

(13:07):
another. And yet I was, I was getting
old. I, I heard him, you know, but
he, his, he, it was, it was I, I'm percent sure it was a visit
because I still remember it withgreat clarity and the smell and
all of that. Absolutely.
And you know, for myself, I had the same instance with my mother

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and father, different times, different places.
My my joyfulness about that connection is always full.
I always feel very full after that experience happens.
I encourage people to write thatdown because a lot of times that
happens. They go to sleep, they wake up

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and they forget. And I say if that ever happens,
you know, document it because there may be something coming
for you that they're either giving you a warning or trying
to guide you in some way. And pay attention to what the
environment was. Try to write it down because we
tend to block that kind of connection for whatever reason.

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And it's very important to stay open to it because many times
it's a guidance and that's what I embrace.
That's what I really believe in.I, I think I, I mean, I know I
agree with you. I completely agree with you.
But why do you think that peopleare so scared to think that
maybe our soul lives on? Maybe there's this whole other,

(14:35):
you know, where energy and it's basic science that where energy
and energy never dies. So I don't know why everyone has
such a hard time with it sometimes.
Anything that doesn't have a defining, calculated
explanation. People get frightened of going
beyond the unknown. And that's truly what most

(14:59):
people fear is the worst four letter word on the planet.
I don't care what anybody says. Fear blocked us from being open
through experiences, love, new experiences, challenges.
Fear stops us. And I feel that if we could get
someone past that fear, they will then be open.

(15:19):
Like some people don't want to know.
They just don't want to hear. They don't want.
And I say I'm not here to force anybody to see or speak about
anything they're not willing to speak about.
That's not my job. My job and my rule is about
helping people that want to know, that want to get help,

(15:40):
that want to connect. And by the way, just because I
try to connect, not every spiritwants to connect.
There are certain spiritual times when people have died
either in a crash with some kindof tragedy, and it's hard for
them to even understand on a spiritual level that they're no
longer here. It it, it was a shock.

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So sometimes spirit does not allow a visit.
They don't want to speak with you because they don't.
That would have to be admitting that they're not here anymore.
Do you follow what I'm saying? Yeah, well, they're right.
It was such a quick, I guess sudden death that there's still

(16:23):
want to be here. Hard positioning to take,
whether it's still on the planetor they're no longer with us
physically. I've heard of many people that
have had out of body experiencesor people that have had death
experiences that actually lift above the accident and see
themselves either on on an operating table or in a car

(16:45):
crash. And they are literally not
cognizant of the fact. They're sort of watching it as a
movie versus understanding that it's them, that they're the ones
that they're saying. So there's a lot about as we
passed away, my father saw his brother and sister waiting for
him. He even said hello to them when

(17:07):
he was with me. And then I said, do you see
Uncle Bobby and your your sister?
Do you see them? And he said silly, they're right
there. And I went, that's great dad.
So not allowing people to feel is a horrible, horrible thing,
especially when I work with geriatrics.

(17:28):
If a patient sees a mother who, and of course they're 90 years
old, if they see their mother, why deprive them of that joyful
interaction or visual? Even if I can't see it, that
doesn't mean they can't see it. Do you understand?
Yeah, no, it's, it's interestingand I agree with you, But my

(17:49):
aunt was 99 years old and still living on her own when she had
an help with her. And she used to look at the
couch and say, you know, oh, there's two little boys here and
things like that. She used to go on and on.
And of course, you know, some people said she's going crazy,
she's losing it. And I was like, I don't think

(18:09):
so. I I think that there.
Yeah. Growing up in my day, nobody
spoke about psychic phenomenon. It was not easy on the tongue
for most people. Today, you see it on every
television and movie. There's something in reference
to someone being perceptive, psychotintuitive, whatever you
want to call it. There's a lot of names.

(18:31):
I was in healthcare for over 40 years.
I embraced and utilized my ability to help people and most
times they didn't even know it. I was just allowing them to just
get in touch with whatever it isin preparation, in preparation
for whatever they were encountering.

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And I, I feel that's a very important thing, to allow people
to have their own gestalt, theirown feelings.
I think so. You know, I think part of that
is a lot of religions have painted this picture, at least
in movies sometimes of it's evil, you know, like spirit is
evil. And I think that's part of the

(19:12):
problem. And especially Catholicists, my
pets, yes, they, you know, I'll talk to you, but you can't take
those cards out of them because that's against their religion.
But I'll speak to you. And I say that's OK, that's no
problem. And also it's OK not to speak to
me. I don't need, I don't need one
to come and speak with me. I have a couple of friends who

(19:36):
seem to feel they are very, veryintuitive and they say that very
clearly. I know stuff and I, I think
that's fascinating because I don't claim to know stuff.
I just know when I'm allowed to be with someone and they embrace
me and they ask me for assistance and then I'll step
in. Otherwise, I mind my own

(19:57):
business. I don't know everything.
I don't want to know everything.I like things to happen
organically. But how are you?
How is that in your own life though?
Is that? In my own life, I've made some
pretty interesting situations. Listen, I'm not on all the time
like a surgeon's not doing surgery all the time.

(20:18):
I've learned how to sort of havethe switch go on in my head
where I give myself permission to not be plugged in.
I unplug and that's fine and I love to unplug.
I only go into work mode when I'm requested.
Otherwise, there's the Penelope part of me, which is the

(20:40):
spiritual intuit who loves helping, and there's the Penny
part of me. Leave me alone.
I like, I like having my own separate life.
I don't. They are more going together
now, but people have flown undermy radar.
I'm not on all the time. There's some challenging people

(21:01):
that I've had in my life and I think part of that has made me
more empathic and understanding of other people's issues and
problems. It just made me what I feel, a
better person. What do you think about the
people there Aren't there have been some mediums who are in
their shows and they just walk around to like, you know,

(21:22):
different places and and start reading people.
I find that very passive. I find that very passive for me.
I mean, listen, they're making gazillions of dollars and it's
all very orchestrated and it's all very well, you know, they
have people, they have people, they have, they're making good

(21:44):
money. And I think some of it's real
and some of it I feel is not so real.
I don't begrudge anybody making a life for themselves or making
money, but it's not my thing. I find that to me, being very
aggressive, I would not just walk up to somebody unless there

(22:05):
was an emergency, unless there was something that I felt
something bad was going to happen and I have to say it.
But other than that, it's not mything.
It's just not my thing. Right.
And someone once said to me thatabout someone I know in my life.
And they said that, you know, when, when you are have strong

(22:30):
psychic abilities, when you're very intuitive, you are almost
like like someone walking in a mall and there's this little
like light following you where, where that's what they said,
where spirit is almost like, oh,if we want to talk to someone,
we talked to that person, they'll get the message to the
to whomever is that? What do you think of that?
I I think that's their way of handling their energy.

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And I don't, you know, as I said, I don't begrudge anybody
on how they TuneIn it's not my thing, although I have walked by
people and I will get an energetic information or story,
But I also would never, unless it was something, God forbid,
that I felt the person was goingto have a heart attack and then

(23:14):
I have to jump on top of them and do CPR.
And you know, I have done that. I have done that.
I really feel you could hear stories and then it's up to the
individual if they're going to want help with something or want
to discover whatever that is, then they come to me.

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It's not for me to go to them. I just don't do that.
I find it more respectful not toteach people.
I agree with you. I think that I mean, otherwise
you're kind of like invasive, right?
If they don't want it. You know, being who I am and
growing up the way I did, Jill, I am, I was always very shy.

(23:59):
I, I was very, yeah. It took a lot to me to come out
of my little closet of being fearful about just saying what I
was feeling and telling people what I was feeling.
I only my friends and my family,the close ones knew what I was
processing, but I didn't go around telling everybody about

(24:19):
this. I don't have Instagram.
I don't do any of the fancy, fancy stuff.
I, I'm not really, this is a bigdeal for me to be on a podcast.
I've been on a couple that I always get very anxious about
beforehand. It's not, it's not for me in the
comfortable way to sell myself. It's really about healing and

(24:41):
helping people. But that's not something I
necessarily project out and telleverybody in the world about.
It's really who finds me. Anyone who speaks to me is
through word of mouth. It's never been through any kind
of advertising. That's how I found you.
That's how I found you. How did you ever see yourself

(25:02):
doing this when you were younger?
Was this even a a thought? No, no, no, no way.
I always wanted to be in healthcare.
I always wanted to be a nurse. I always wanted to help people.
Which is very common. I know John Edward, the same
thing. He worked in healthcare a lot of
yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was my way of
connecting to people and helpingpeople and I worked with a

(25:24):
buried group until I found my niece with geriatrics but and
now I am one. But the fact is I've worked with
all ages and I really, you know,I think that was my link to
having that ability to touch people and to connect to people.

(25:44):
And again, very respectfully, based on whatever the reason was
for being encountering me, I would just do my thing.
And I didn't discuss it with anybody.
I was very quiet about it. I'm one of these quiet people.
This, this. Yeah.
The sleeper cells, right where you're like, let me ask you

(26:05):
because you said, I mean, you, you helped you probably many
people transition, make the transition and pass away.
So let me ask you this. Do you fear death?
No, not at all. Not at all.
I don't fear death, but I'm all about life.

(26:26):
I don't just deal with people that are transitioning.
That was when I worked in geriatrics.
Today, I'm all about encouragingpeople to be in life.
This is not a dress rehearsal. We are in the real deal.
How you can change your direction, how you can be guided
into a different form. Even after COVID, people lost

(26:50):
their livelihood and seeing and helping, guiding them to find a
new way of being alive. That's where my promotion is the
biggest. Being alive, being present, not
fearing. Most people fear life, not
death. That's so true.

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It's about dropping the fear, and it's not that I'm
unrealistic. I know there are bad people out
there. I know there's bad stuff.
I want to keep people in their immediate world to be happy, to
be present and to live their lives to the fullest and that's
what I encourage. But when it comes to fear of

(27:36):
death, no, I'm just, I'm frightened for people that don't
want to be here and be part of life and make the best of what
they could be. That's what I really try to
promote. But we all have an expiration
date. None of us are getting out
alive. None of us and I want the best

(27:58):
quality of life for myself and for other people.
But I can't wait to see my family, who's left and my
puppies. I can't.
I had a dream about my dogs the other night.
I was. So do I fall when I woke up?
Because I know, I just know I'm going to see them again.
You know, it's so funny you saidthat because I believe all, I

(28:19):
believe animals go to heaven perSE, but some people don't.
Some people, especially in different religions, do not
believe that animals, you know, souls live on.
And I find that so interesting. But it's so funny to me because
I'm like, wow, I, I kind of, I'mon the exact opposite.

(28:40):
Well, you know. I've been the exact opposite of
most people most of my life. I've accepted that I am not the
norm nor do I want to be. I used to try to fit in because
I felt very out so I wanted to try to fit in.
So that's why I was shy about telling people about what I felt

(29:01):
and what I knew. I have friends even to this day
that I don't go into any conversations about what I do
because I know they can't wrap their head around it or whatever
their belief system is. I'm not trying to push myself on
anyone, I just know what I believe.
I don't be rate anyone that doesn't believe because

(29:22):
everyone's entitled to their ownbelief system.
I'm not here to change people's belief system.
I'm just here to help people believe in what I believe when
they join me. All right, Penny, I'm going to
take a very quick break right here because I have so many more
questions. So we will be back right after

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(30:06):
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Thank you so much for listening.I hope you love it as much as I
do. All right, welcome back
everybody. You're listening to Secrets of
Powerful Women. Penelope Mandel is with me and
she is a spiritual intuitive guide and she has the most

(30:28):
amazing stories. She has the most amazing, I
wanna say skills. I don't know some people.
Is it gifts? How do you refer to?
A skill can be a gift, and a gift can be a skill.
It's how people use their tools.Oh, nice, I like that.
All right, so so let's talk about a few things.

(30:50):
So we talked about when you realized you were kind of you
had you had the intuitive abilities that you do and you
were very young. So I want to ask you at this
point, is there a spiritual practice that you do every day
to kind of find, you know, like help your energy or clear your

(31:13):
energy? Is there anything you do?
Yes, I well, it's not a practice.
I don't call it a practice, but I do try to do some meditation
for this thing in the morning. I sit, it's, I actually need to
sit quietly and not do anything and just be quiet inside.

(31:34):
I've been doing this every day since I would say probably
around COVID time where things were so chaotic and I was
getting really a lot of phone calls and a lot of hysteria.
So just to quiet my soul and my what I was preparing for the
day, I just sit quietly, close my eyes and say give me the

(31:55):
strength. Give me the strength.
Give me the information that I need to give, please.
I'm your Vestal. Use me.
And those were the words sort ofthat I said.
It's not very complicated. Use me anywhere.
Can any way you feel, you know, you see fit?

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It took to be something all overthe world, you know, And I can't
believe I'm getting calls from Australia and Japan.
And I mean, I cannot believe howfar my name has traveled with
00. No one.
No publicity, nothing. Just word of mouth.

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Well, not yet, so let's talk about that.
You have a documentary. Is it coming?
A documentary was made by my nieces, very talented, talented
friend who's a producer, director, does editing, she's in
the business. And one day they approached me
and said would I be willing to do it?

(33:00):
You know, a film with them. And I said about what?
And they said about you. And I went what?
And that's it's called Penny. The my document is called.
It was just shown at the Coney Island Film Festival.
And it's being submitted to manyfestivals and it's not streaming

(33:20):
yet because it's still in submission phase.
And it has 10 minutes captured of about 12 hours of film, 10
minutes of a short about me, my as a child growing up, little
tidbits here and there about what I've shared with you.
And I saw myself on the big screen a couple of weeks ago,

(33:42):
and it was quite shocking to me to see myself right up there on
a film. And yeah, I get very nervous.
I'm very, I'm humbled. But it's like, oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
It's amazing. That is exciting.

(34:02):
So that could go, that could keep going.
That could keep going. If it's meant but like.
Yes, yeah. And you know, like, and you
mentioned a little bit on the other half of the show that
about skeptics. So when you're more in front of
more people, you're open to moreskeptics and how do you handle

(34:22):
them or how do you handle someone who's across from you?
And that says, like, I don't believe in this.
Why am I here? I love skeptics.
I love them because they make mework harder.
They really, I know that I have to say something that will
convince them that I'm the real deal.
So skeptics are welcome. I don't mind people challenging

(34:46):
me. Challenge skeptical is one
thing, Being negative is another.
If I feel the negativity, you don't have to speak with me.
I'm cool with that. We could stop.
I like skeptics that are open totrying to hear something that
they may not understand. And I know I have to say

(35:08):
something that makes sense to have someone.
Do you want an example? Sure.
I had a woman come to me who wasincredibly skeptical.
She came with her sister-in-law,sat down in front of me.
I went, uh oh, this one's going to be a deuce, right?
It's across the table from me. I have no frame of reference.

(35:28):
All I kept hearing is ask about the necklace, ask about the
necklace. With that the woman, the skeptic
bursts into tears and now I don't know what's going on, what
I've done. And the sister-in-law said Oh my
God. And the woman takes out, she has

(35:48):
1/2 of a heart necklace and it was the other half was her
daughter who committed suicide. And she said to her daughter,
I'm going, but I don't necessarily believe in this
stuff. But if this woman's real still

(36:09):
know about the necklace and that's the first thing I said,
that was it. And I didn't see the necklace.
It was tucked into her shirt. I did not see it.
So I like making people that areso rigid less rigid.

(36:30):
I like people to be open and notso fearful because most of that
rigidity, most of that skepticism is from fear.
Do you see visions of things in front of you, next to people
when you're reading them? Sure.
I absolutely do. I I sometimes hear a narrative

(36:53):
or a story in my head that describes something that
somebody has been through. I have heard people having
physical issues that they are not dealing with that end up
becoming more known. I say what's going on with your
kidney? I feel something happening
around your kidney. And sure enough, they had a

(37:13):
stone. And I mean, I'll hear things
like that. I I do have an ability to have a
medical intuitive energy. Not with everyone, but when I'm
supposed to it. That's the thing, Jill.
I don't pretend to do one thing,would be an expert in anything.

(37:33):
I just do what comes to me when I meet people.
I'm no expert. I don't pretend to know it all
and also I don't believe anybodydoes.
I think I just do what I'm guided to do.
Right. I agree.
Yeah. I mean, I think I don't think

(37:53):
anyone knows it all. I think a lot of, like you said,
a lot of people think they know it all, but nobody knows most
people. Everything.
The people I want to steer away from people, yeah, they know it
all. They don't need my help.
They know it all. Right, right, right, right.
What? What kind of how do, how do you
said clients find you by word ofmouth?

(38:15):
What kind of has any particular client really stuck out to you,
something that have you that you've said to them that really
changed their life or something like that?
Absolutely. I can't mention it but I had a
client call me once and on our while we were speaking on the
phone her husband came home and he just heard her say hi honey

(38:40):
and I said who is that? She said my husband just came
home for a checkup. I said get off the phone with me
now and get him to the hospital.I heard it screaming in my head.
Get off the phone and get him tothe hospital.
As they arrived to the hospital by the emergency room, the man
had a massive heart attack and they saved him and he just came

(39:04):
out of a doctor's office being given a clean bill of health.
So that's something I will never, ever forget.
I heard it screaming in my head,somebody saying get off the
phone, get to the hospital. And that's.
That was that. Was that your voice or that was?

(39:26):
No, it's a different voice in myhead for myself.
What I personally experienced with a very similar content was
I was walking to my car very early in the morning during the
winter time when it's still darkin Brooklyn, and someone yelled
in my head, turn around and loud.

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It's very loud in my head, but you can't avoid it.
And I turned around and there was a man right behind me and I
went and I startled him because I turned around so fast.
And I ran by him and I called 911 while I was running and he
was an A rapist in the neighborhood that they were

(40:09):
looking for and they caught him.Oh.
My God. Yeah, now I didn't hear him.
I am deaf in my left ear. I do not have it.
I haven't had hearing in my leftear since I'm thirteen years old
from an accident, a firecracker went off right near and it
shattered my eardrum. So I did not hear this man

(40:33):
coming up behind me. Someone one of my angels said
turn around and and yelled and that's when I would he would
have gotten me within five more seconds.
God. Yeah.
Oh my God. And it was only because I turned
so quickly that he jumped back because he didn't think that I

(40:54):
hurt him, right? So it saved my life, thank God.
Wow, wow, wow. I want to talk about that's a
good story. Wow.
Both of the stories, because, you know, they Alan Thicke that
you probably know that story went, was when it went to a
medium that that Hollywood medium or whatever, that young
man who's the psychic and he andit told yeah, yeah, yeah.

(41:19):
Something like, and he told AlanThicke, you know, should go get
your heart checked or whatever. And Alan Thicke kind of left him
off and they have the tape and then he died not too long later
from a heart attack. So yeah, listen to your
psychics, everybody. Listen to that.
I do want to talk to you becauseyou do work.
Talk about who you work with or what types of people you work

(41:41):
with, businesses and things, business people and who who do
you work with? Well, it's a variety of people
that if you would have asked me 20 years ago, I would say to
you, you were out of your mind. I'm working with businesses,
Fortune 500 companies, every line of fashion that you can

(42:01):
imagine. Fashion models, fashion wear
everything. I'm not.
I can barely get makeup on my face.
I work with quite a few very famous, well known people that
my name names will never come out of me about who they are,
but they've got my name through word of mouth and called me.

(42:24):
Some of them tried to use alias names and I called them on it
and said to them, okay, so we'regoing to really be calling you
that when I know your name is that.
And they started to laugh and then they realized who they were
speaking with. Here's the thing, I don't care
about any of that. I love and honor people for

(42:46):
their higher selves no matter what they do.
I don't care about actors and actresses and fame.
I don't care about any about that.
I care about people's souls, I care about who they are and how
they are with others. So there are 1,000,000 people
out there working different, andI don't change from one to the

(43:09):
next. I equally love the person who's
cleaning up after an elderly person as much as I love someone
who's just gotten an Oscar. I really have the same love and
caring, nothing different. It's just admiring and caring
and helping people for what they're doing in their lives.

(43:31):
So yeah, I've been exposed to a lot of pretty cool people.
I have a couple of names that are really cool, but they're
going with me, you know? I don't write anything down or
keep anything in my home. I have no notes on anyone.
I don't write anything if I'm ata party or if I'm doing a party
or gathering, I will give peoplethe notes that I'm writing so

(43:55):
they can take it home. I have no library.
None. It's very freeing.
Where were you? I think especially the quote UN
quote famous people or known people.
I part of the charm I believe they like about me is that I'm

(44:16):
not out there on the Instagram and doing all that stuff.
They like that I'm not that person because they don't have
to be worried about me. You know, I anonymity is really
important. Privacy.
I grew up with HIPAA and in healthcare.
I do that with my readings. I believe it's really important.

(44:40):
Do do you, I know you also said to that you work with people
sometimes, do you give them big event, you know, guidance in a
for a big event or do you do day-to-day guidance for some
people, I mean? It's depending on what
individual and why they're calling me.
I've helped business people makesome pretty big decisions in
business. What's wonderful about that?

(45:01):
For me, it's I don't pretend to be an expert in any of these
fields. I'm just saying what I hear and
it's beautiful when it makes sense.
But for me, it's another language.
I don't understand big business.I don't understand what it is to

(45:22):
walk down a red carpet. Maybe you and I will do that one
day. I do not know.
I don't have that lifestyle. But I've been exposed to so many
amazing people and but for the grace of God, I'm given
information that makes sense andI'm very grateful and I'm also
very humble. If if I don't hear it, I will

(45:44):
say that I don't. Get right so some some people
are harder to read or you don't get something.
People that put up blocks, thereare people that definitely don't
want you. And I have actually asked
people, why did you bother calling?
I, I, I didn't call you, you're calling me.

(46:05):
So if you're going to put up a block, we could stop this
session right now. I don't have to do this.
Why do you think some people arehard to read like that?
Fear. It always comes back to that
magical word, fear. They're blocking because they
don't want you to know somethingand they feel like they'll be

(46:27):
exposed. If you know, I am not the person
to speak to, if you carry that energy because I see through
that, but I'm not going to do a Tay to Tay with you.
I'm going to let you have. If you don't want to let me in,
that's fine. Keep it moving.

(46:48):
Keep it moving. I did.
I did write down all these questions that I have to, I want
to make sure I kind of get to how do you stay grounded?
You know, how do you like you said, you meditate and whatever,
but is there after a certain readings or something, do you
kind of have to like do something to specifically clear

(47:10):
your energy? Something about in my Penelope
mode when I'm in my reading mode.
I really AM very conscious and aware of who I'm speaking with
and where the energy begins and ends.
And when I get off the phone, ifI am having any of the remnants
of what I've just experienced, Iidentify it quickly and I shake

(47:32):
it off. I in my head, I, it's like that
magic erase board where I take my some kind of visual of
erasing whatever just came up because I now know because I'm
getting older when that happens,if I'm carrying and I also have
incredible family and friends that if I can't do that for

(47:53):
myself, I will call a family or friend and say, listen, I just
got off of a really rough conversation.
Just talk to me, just talk to me.
And that most times will any remnants will disappear because
we have to surround ourselves with loving people.
And I am blessed with having an incredible sister.

(48:17):
I have a wonderful family. My niece has been incredibly
supportive. She was part of the film that
was just made people my best friends.
I mean, I'm really wonderful. I'm very.
Grateful. That's nice.
That's really nice. What do you think?
I mean, what are the, do you have something like this where

(48:38):
it's what are the most common messages or questions that
people have? Is it about life purpose or like
what are they? What is the most?
Most, most people need guidance with what's next.
A lot of people want to know what's next business wise.
A lot of that comes up like I'm not happy with what I'm doing
for work. What do you feel?

(48:59):
A lot of women, lots of love. Everybody wants to know when
they're going to meet their loved one and how and where most
of that is. Yeah.
Money, business, love. Three.
Top 4th would be health, 4th would be health.

(49:22):
I'm going to give a little bit of a hint about on the
documentary. I read someone, I did not ever
meet them. It was all on the phone.
It was during COVID and I didn'teven see the woman and she has
had to try to get pregnant several times difficulty.
And I just kept hearing they're wrong, the doctors are wrong.

(49:45):
They're telling you you can't have a baby.
I know it's not true. At the end of the film, it
showed that she's having a she had a baby.
Oh wow, yeah. And they kept that a secret from
me because they wanted it to be the highlight of the end of the
film. How would you say, I mean, if I

(50:06):
know you liked, you want to helppeople, right?
You have said that. And so how?
How do you guide people to learnto tap into their own intuition?
Well, if they asked me to, I tell them to do a few different
exercises that I guide them through and give them a couple
of little exercises to do at home alone.

(50:27):
Most of women with a white candle, especially if they want
to connect to somebody spiritually.
I believe white candles are verypowerful and a powerful tool to
connect to spirit and that's whymost churches and synagogues,
etcetera, etcetera, use candles in the environment.
I don't know if they know that, but I know that the fact is

(50:50):
there are a lot of, depending onthe individual, you guide them
based on who they are. Not everybody's the same.
I may feel great about doing something with psychology where
you may not feel as comfortable doing that.
So you really have to read the room and read the individual and
sort of understand what it is they're trying to get to before
you give them the advice. And that's what I do.

(51:13):
I read the room, I read the person.
That's what we have to do. Right, right.
Do you, do you see this becomingmore commonplace conversations
like this? I mean it has.
Already has. Yeah, it's grown in popularity
for sure. I mean it already.
And understanding. It's made Hollywood already.

(51:36):
Then it's already mainstream. It's already become mainstream.
It's on TV. You see whole shows about this
pierocentric given a show regarding having an intuitive,
intuitive part of her. There's a lot, I don't want to
name particular people. I'm just somebody who I know is

(51:56):
incredibly spiritual. There are a lot of very, you
know, known people who follow these paths and go on retreats
and do various things to get in touch with this part of
spirituality. And everybody practices it
differently. I know American Indians that do
their own religious pathways to spirit that I'm not familiar

(52:20):
with, but they do it every day. What is the purpose of our life
on Earth? To live it, the purpose is to
live it and to embrace it and towe're going to have negatives.
The negative lessons are the most important.

(52:42):
They teach us what to not do anymore, watching other people's
negatives and learning from that, embracing our higher
selves, what we can be, what we can achieve, not what we've
necessarily been programmed intobelieving, but getting past
them. I know that better than anyone.

(53:03):
I had a level of dyslexia growing up and and I had
difficulty with some learning getting past those quote UN
quote labels and titles and going beyond that.
I think that's my whole purpose is uplifting, uplifting people,
and I think we all need to be. This is not a dress rehearsal.

(53:26):
This is the real deal. We have to be the best of us
when we crossover. We could be something else the
next time around, but right now we're here.
We're doing us now, and being the best of that part is really
what I feel I see in other people, and I try to also do it
for me. I'm learning every day, Jill.

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I am so blessed by the people I meet.
I really am. I feel so grateful and humble
and that's really what brings meto my everyday I get up in the
morning, I go, I'm ready, I'm ready.
What's next? That's nice.
That's a wonderful, it's a wonderful thing.
It really is. I, I want to talk briefly about

(54:13):
because there are so many peoplewho are suffering and going
through such hard times. And you know, and we talked a
little in the break because I'veread, you know, Louis Hayes book
about different illnesses surfacing in, in your body
because there's something it's meant to teach you or you learn

(54:34):
from it or something. What do you think about that?
What do you think about is it? I mean, we believe that.
Hayes is a genius, was a genius.He's no longer with us, but I
believe her conceptualizing our physical with our health and our
psyche and bringing it all together was nothing short of

(54:56):
brilliance. I think she was tapped in the
most amazing, brilliant way. I do believe our environments
affect us. Speak to people all the time
that when they come out of theirjobs and they feel like their
head is going to explode, where they have headaches, where they
have visual issues so they can'twrap their head around

(55:17):
attention, that our environmentsaffect us.
I've had it happen with me and I'm more sensitive, so I have to
even be more cognizant of my environment.
I've had to leave places when I have felt that and my belief in
other people, knowing that and having more of a grasp on it.

(55:37):
I love reading other intuits andhow other people deal with life.
It helps me understand mine and I utilize some of that
information. I'm far nor ever want to be
perfect. I want to read and hear and
understand everyone else's experiences and I apply what

(56:00):
makes sense, what doesn't. I leave it alone, that's what I
do. What's what's your lesson?
Do you think that you're meant to learn in this life, doing the
work that you do? My I know what my lesson is.
My lesson is to help as many people as I can before I leave.
And I'm not leaving and I have no intentions on leaving anytime

(56:21):
soon. I really embrace my Penelope
work and my higher self. I know I'm meant to be helping
people. I've known that my whole life.
However that looks to every individual, it's different.
Jill, when I leave this planet, I know that I've touched a lot

(56:43):
of souls and that's so importantto me.
And also animals love animals and animals have made.
I mean, my, my last dog passed away.
His name was Basil and I was devastated and I just said I
can't go through this again. I had four dogs.
But animals are important in alllives too.

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They feed our souls. They are soul mates on many
levels. And I wish people could grasp
that idea that animals could come in and out of a world so
important also. But every single person that
I've encountered, I feel it's giving me another notch.
I have a chaise lounge waiting. I don't just have.

(57:25):
Yeah, I feel like I have. I've.
I've done a lot of bad things too along the way when I was
stupid and young. But now I try to just do the
best of me. Oh.
I love that. Well, I do want to ask you.
So I'm, I've found you through certain circles and I did have
you at my own house and you gaveme a reading which was

(57:48):
fantastic. So, but I, I do want to put it
on, put it on video. So a little bit.
Can you for people listening to so you can say whatever you want
to say. Do you want to give me a little
reading and see what happens? In relationship to the way you
are right now, how personal can I get?

(58:10):
Go do it because. I feel your family has
restructured in many ways and you're watching, you're having a
little bit of an empty nest energy starting around here and
it gives them freedom and it gives you sadness.
At the same time, I feel like you are adjusting to getting

(58:30):
back to yourself after being through a rough period of time.
And I feel when you have shown yourself having to say goodbye
to certain people, that you gavethem a lot of the responsibility
and keeping you feeling safe. Now you're feeling safe and
you're keeping your safe. Oh, I like that.

(58:53):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I would say that's true.
Where do you see this this podcast going, Penny?
I think you're fantastic. I think a red carpet is waiting
for you, Mr. I think I think youneed people comfortable.
You are very natural at what youdo.
You've you've earned your stripes in dealing and speaking

(59:14):
with people. I think you make it a lot easier
for people. I think you're fabulous.
I think you're fabulous too. Thank.
You, we're good together. We're going to start.
I, I always say this, but I am planning a speaker series.
I'll officially say that now. And I would like Penelope to, to

(59:35):
join me on that stage at some point.
And we'll, we'll sell tickets orwhatever we have to do, but I
can't wait for that. Would love that.
Anything connected to you, Jill?You're a winner and I would love
to be part of that. Oh, that's so lovely.
Thank you. Thank you.
Say it again. You getting a new car?

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No. Not that I know of.
Oh no. Needs a new car.
I'm hearing new car. Oh, gotcha.
Some well, I mean one of my kidsneed a car.
I hope not. I hope I'd rather get a new.
No, I'm just kidding, but being.Part of a new car, and I didn't
know it was one of your kids, but I do feel you being part of

(01:00:17):
that, that you have to get someone a car.
Yeah, I just feel the purchase of a new car.
That was a silly one to hear it.Oh, I love it.
But see, you hear it, right? So that's what's cool, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it comes. I don't even know it.
Just words come through my head,I, I really, and then it just

(01:00:38):
comes out of my mouth and somehow makes sense, hopefully.
But but you know, I want to touch on that before we go
because I feel like everyone gets that right, whether you're
driving in the car and saying take this exit or you shouldn't
go this way. There's probably a lot of
traffic. We are all, in my opinion,
getting those messages, but we just kind of dismiss it, right,

(01:01:00):
I mean. Absolutely.
That's everything I want to teach, to stop down missing and
go for it. That's exactly what I I.
I say this to people of all walks of life.
Don't discount what you think isjust a mere thought.
If you hear it more than once, it's a message.

(01:01:25):
What about ideas, though? What about people's business
ideas? I mean, and they're having and
they think, oh, it's going to beso hard or that I don't know if
they, or worse, they tell someone and they say that other
person's like, oh, don't do it. That's not going to workout.
Well, I was told that most of mylife growing up that I, you
know, you shouldn't try this andyou shouldn't try that and you
can't do this and you can't do that.
And it was all not true. It was really all not true.

(01:01:50):
That defined the person who was saying that to me versus me.
That was about their definition of their inability to move
forward and it was projected on me, which sadly I listened to
when I was younger. Now I run through the hills when
that comes at me. I think it takes practice, like

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you said, and to teach people. I think it takes a lot of
practice to start listening to that voice.
Vincent So confidence yourself and I'm not projecting at you in
any way, shape or form that I don't have my challenges.
So there's days that I'm not necessarily 100% I'm human,
we're human, but then we have to.

(01:02:36):
Just like I'm sure a doctor wakes up in the morning and
isn't feeling so good. But then you have to shake it
off. Either rest if you need to, or
get on what you're supposed to be doing and don't let it stop
you. Oh, I wanted, oh, I wanted to
talk about one more thing because we were talking about it
again in the break before we go,because I think it's kind of

(01:02:56):
cool. I so I, as I mentioned, I I've
been listening and reading a lotand I recently I've spoken, I
think on this podcast or at least on the radio show that
I've read like the Seth Speaks books and by Jane Roberts.
And I am down now the rabbit hole of Esther Hicks and both of
them in at some point in their thing have had it have an

(01:03:21):
interaction with the Ouija board.
What is your opinion of a Ouija board we had?
Ouija board growing up, we have one also.
I had a very progressive mother when it came to that kind of
spiritual stuff. We used it as an entertainment
tool. I mean, there was nothing really
that I can remember or recall being so out there that struck

(01:03:43):
all of us. But it was fun.
And then for whatever reason, itbecame a boring sort of thing to
do. But we did use it.
It was a fun tool. I don't know if it's really
connecting to spirit. I really personally never had
that kind of interaction with it.
Sometimes I felt it was whoever I was doing it with, they were

(01:04:06):
moving it. Always.
Yeah, I always felt that. But you know, I guess there are
some people that believe that that isn't a real tool to use.
My personal feeling is I never deny other people of what they
experienced and how they connectto spirit because it could

(01:04:29):
always be different than my way.And I think when you come from
that openness, that's really what's important.
Let's be open. There are people that use
pendulums. There are people that use stones
and crystals. It's what works for the
individual. I went to Brazil when I was
younger, a woman who I needed somebody to translate.

(01:04:52):
I did not speak Portuguese. She told me that I was going to
be doing readings for the rest of my life and that was that was
part of my reason for being here.
I was in my 20s when I went there.
But she said you should never let money tuck your hand.
Someone has to put money in either a container or an

(01:05:13):
envelope or something. Don't let it touch your hand
when you're doing the reading. It can't be about money.
It has to be about the information.
I said Okie dokie. And since that time I either
keep an envelope or a little purse or something, and I let
people do their thing and make their change or whatever they

(01:05:34):
have to do. I never touch it until an hour
after I am finished. Wow.
All right, so we're, we're wrapping up, but what is that
the one tip you want to give someone who's who wants to
connect more with their intuition?
I really feel there's so many people you can read about and

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then have written fabulous bookson this, on these very topics.
I have never written a book. I'm not a writer.
I could barely write a letter. But you can always reach out
and, you know, either call or e-mail me and I'd be happy to
help you. Every individual brings
different energy and wants different information.

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Be open to this life that it's not just black and white.
Please be open to the energies because especially now with all
the chaos that's going on in theworld, we can only make our
immediate world safe and better.And that's up to us to do.

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And that's all I ask people. Get in touch with that part of
themselves. To center yourself and center
your loved ones and whatever tools you need to do that, by
all means, go for it. There's different tools and
different tool boxes. Pick one and run with it.
That's how I look. At Oh, I love it.

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OK, so people want to get a holdof you.
I'll put your contact information, you know, in the
link. Or do you want to tell people
what you know to have a book, a section, or?
Something telephone number is out there.
It's 917-796-8205, leave a message if I don't pick up, and

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I usually do. I do a 15 minute reading for
someone who wants to do a short of just a couple of questions.
I do half hour and I do hour sessions.
And you can also have my e-mail,which I think Joe will be
putting up my e-mail. It's So what an honor and a
privilege. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Jill. I love this.

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I appreciate it. Thank you.
Thank you so much, Penny. And I loved, I loved having you
on Penelope Mandel. Everybody, thank you for coming
on the show and sharing your incredible, incredible story and
for your insight. And everyone has to go find a
place to get quiet for just a couple minutes every day, right?
Yeah. All right.
I'm Jill Conway. Thank you for listening to the

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show celebrating incredible women like Penny.
I hope you are inspired to pursue your own goals, believe
in yourself and dream bigger. Your voice matters, and your
story can help others. I hope you join me next.