Becoming Chestbrah [Part 2] | Said Sergeyevich Shavershian

In Part 2, Said "Chestbrah" opens up about the impact of losing his brother — the late Zyzz — and how that moment shaped the course of his life. We dive into legacy, mental health, and the mindset shift that led him deeper into bodybuilding and personal growth. Said shares what it's really like behind the scenes of comp prep, how he’s managed long-term consistency, and what he's learned about masculinity, discipline, and resilience.

Said Sergeyevich Shavershian

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am
Neil the Muscle comments and in.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
This episode I speak with Sahit sha Version also known
as Chess Braw.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
He actually made a post saying I got more followers
on Facebook than John Howard. At the time he had
like sixty thousand Pollois and I got more than John Howard.
It was first in English first and maths first, in
science biology from year seven up until year eleven. Up
around year eleven he started learning about girls and drugs
and then it went down here from that. I had
spoken him two days before and then he said he

(00:41):
was supposed to come back in two days. And then
the police will literally at my door and they just
gave me the news and put his destitude in front
of me, and I'm just like and then I'll try
to call his phone and then started screaming and then just
going crazy and they just held me and tough dude.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Before we jump in, if you missed part one, go
check it out now as the second part continues right
from where we left off.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, you're not the person that who was in the
cross anymore. Yeah, I get that, bro. Yeah, but then you.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Know, you get haters. You fucking want to think they
know my life and they don't know my life. Bro,
Yeah you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So I mean, bro, like cut from the same cloth,
just different stories you and know you know what I mean?
Like people thought they knew who I was my whole life,
and I just wanted to be my own man. And
now that I'm my own man, like all the respect came,
and it's like, where were you, motherfuckers when I was
always this guy all along? You know what I mean?
Like I had to prove myself and you're not that
I had to.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
But you know, did you find when when your brother
was alive that well, actually when he passed away, that
a lot of people kind of backed off from you
or left you. And then you see the users who
were there. Yeah, of course, because I seen that when
I left. You know, everyone wants me to help them
or bring me up for help. But when I get out,
it's like where are with He's all gone now?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, well a lot of that loyalty goes away, bro,
And like when the fun times stop and the partying
stops at the end of the day, who's really there? Bro?
Your family? Bro? And that's what you learn as you
get older, and there's nothing wrong with that, bro, You
know you have you can still maintain friendship and maintained
friendship with a lot of day ones, but you know
it's it's from a distance. Some of them wouldn't be
good for my health and my psyche, and some of

(02:13):
them are you know, are proper nutters. But you know
we're still friends. I keep my distance. We talk here
and there, but that's it, bro. I am my person,
there their person. We do. I do my thing, they
do their thing. Back then, you're so young, you're caught
up in the scene and you yeah, you're just in
that bubble, bro, and then you really it's not until
you're alone that you realize and you truly come to

(02:34):
see who you truly are. The same thing happened with me, man. Yeah,
when he died, a lot of the fakes disappeared, a
lot of new people started coming in and then just
riding his wave, riding my wave, and yeah, it's just
a fucking journey. Brother.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Do you get sick of people using his name a lot,
like to get themselves out there?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Not? Really? That's an interesting question, I think because I
think deep down as would have enjoyed it. As you
know him. He loved the attention, he loved the spotlight.
So I think for him, anyone like speaking of him
and mentioned his name, he would have just been sitting
there with a big grin on his face. So I
look at it like that. So I think when people
are using his name and you know, either with they're

(03:12):
speaking about him, good or bad, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I see a lot of influencers using his name like everyone,
and I'm just thinking, but they don't even they didn't
even know him.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what annoys me about when I
think that's annoying, is they see a completely different version
of who it truly was. And I'm glad there's some
people out there, like even if you've briefly seen him,
but you could just get a vibe for what kind
of a idiots This is just a big geek, you know,
that's that's just a cool big geek, like a cool dude,
cool fun dude. And all these people see him as
this like and like no disrespect, like god like figure,

(03:41):
but like brother, there's only there's only one God, you
know what I mean. And then for people to idolize
and put people on a pedestal like that even in
my situation, people like put me on such a pedestal.
I'm like, oh my guys, relaxed, Like I'm just a
normal dude, bro, just doing normal dude shit, you know
what I mean? Like, no one's above anyone, ra all
the same rule, just doing our own thing. And I
just I want people to see as as the man
he was and has been, a vulnerable human who made mistake,

(04:05):
who did bad things, who did good things, and not
as this unattainable god like figure that a lot of
these young kids see him as. Because the end of
the day, he was nothing like what he portrayed himself
online and that was it. How was he beyond the
closed doors bro? Just like me? Just chill, nice, humble, respectful, sweet, caring,

(04:28):
very loving. A lot of people don't know, but he
was in a long term, three year relationship. He wasn't
much of a playboy or a player like he was
a little bit, but like not. I think he liked
the attention.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
There was no more like, yeah, you gotta look like that,
you're gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
He loved the attention because he was a geek his
whole life and a nerd. You know, he did well
in all of his classes in school. He got Ducks
of the year in like six out of his ten
subjects across the grade. So ducks, for anyone who doesn't know,
it means first in your grade. And he had three
hundred students in his grade. He was first in English
first and Maths first and science biology from year seven
up until year eleven. Up around year eleven started learning

(05:05):
about girls and drugs and then it went down him
from that. But he was a naturally really smart and
geeky kid. And this is what I'm trying to say,
like people don't really know him for what he was.
They just look at their outside exterior and young kids
want to emulate that, which is cool, but take the good,
but also be cautious of the bad and realize that
he wasn't perfect. He made mistakes. We all make mistakes,

(05:27):
and also to be your own person. I see a
lot of these kids now trying to copy him and
emulate him, and it's cute in a way, but end
of the day, they all come to their own sensors
and they learn that you just got to be your
own man, you know what I'm saying. So I think
it's good that people mention him and stuff like that.
It doesn't like people would expect me to be upset
by it or feel a certain type of way, But
to me, it's happy that they're still talking about him

(05:49):
and keeping his name alive, and that, to me is
the most important thing. That his name is kept alive.
And whether it's people speaking of him good or bad
or having a complete different interpretation of what it actually
really was, they're still speaking of him. Brother, his name
is still being kept alone. But these millions of people
all on the earth speaking of him, And I think
that's a beautiful thing. And I think that's why he's

(06:10):
as big as he is now. He became bigger in
death than what he ever was when he was alive,
you know, And that's normally the curse of falling early,
you come up. It's what I'm amazing, Biggie Kirk, Cobain, anyone,
you know. But he's so big, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Like, like you look at people who've competed and it's crazy,
Oh you didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, you did not even have to compete.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
He just had to go on social media and an
influencer and he killed it.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
To be fair, he was the first of his kind
in a generation that was growing up with tech and
social media. He was the first to do it. And
I remember he actually made a post saying, oh, I
got I got more followers on Facebook than John Howard.
At the time, he had like sixty thousand polis and
I've got more than John Howard, I've got more than
Kyle and JACKIEO. Like he was like he was genuinely
like he loved it. He loved the attention, bro. And

(06:58):
at that time, there weren't many people making profiles about themselves,
talking about themselves self indulgence social media now that shit
wasn't around, so he was the first of his kind
to do that, which made him the pioneer. Yeah, and
I think that's another reason why he's immortalized, and because
it was just he was so different to most influencers,
Like he was raw and real. Nothing was scripted, nothing

(07:19):
was filmed, nothing was propagated or you've got to do this,
you gotta do that. He just went out there and
it was just himself just being a goofball and people
loved him for that. They're like, this guy's just always happy,
always smiling, larger than life, And I think that's where
the appeal came from now. Now you see these fucking
loser influences with the perfect shots and the perfect freends
and giving us a speech about how they're so good
and now by this program, by this, by that ten

(07:40):
percent of coopon here and there, and it's just like,
it's not like our times, bro, when it was raw,
real and genuine, without the edits, without the flashy cinema.
And that's why the love and respect was so strong
for him. I believe you know, he was a unique
It was very unique.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Like I know you two are close, you know, but
you were more than a brother, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Best friends? It was my soul mate. Did you do
everything together? Everything? Brother? Everything? Everything like even like sharing girls,
like everything broken everything. I'm talking everything, bro, Like anything
and everything you can imagine, bro, that brothers shouldn't be
doing we did together. I was like best mates, you
know what I mean? So, okay, let's see this. So

(08:21):
you vote. Invaded him to go to the gym? Yes,
he got you on steroids? Correct? Who got him on
the party drugs? Who did that? Bro? I think I
did it first, but he didn't know about it. He's
never know about it. He started doing it as well
around eighteen seventeen, and then we both just kind of

(08:44):
like knew that we're both doing it, and then we
both just we just addressed the elephant in the room
and were just like, oh, you're doing pills at this event.
And he's like yeah, and I was like, fuck, you're
only seventeen. I'm like, He's like, I know you do too.
I'm like, yeah, I do. Like, but I'm twenty. I
can like I'm a bit older than you. And then
uh yeah. Just after that we're more open and honest
about it, but never strict with them. No, That's one

(09:06):
thing I actually regret, deeply, deeply. I wish I was
more strict, but we had such a close brotherhood and
bond that were more best friends and brothers, you know
what I mean. I look back on it and I'm like,
you know what, maybe if I was a little bit
more strict than him. But he was really hard to control.
Even my parents couldn't control him. I couldn't like tell
him what to do his own girlfriend, nothing. And he
was very secretive too. He'd keep a lot of things

(09:26):
to himself, a lot of his you know, emotions, he'd
keep to himself, you know what I mean, even when
he went to Thailand, Like I didn't even know up
until he was in Thailand, and it went by himself.
For instance, he said he was going with his mate
George and a few other friends. And then a week
in there, I find out he's there on his own.
I'm like, what the w by himself? He went by himself? Bro?
What Well? He went to get cosmetic surgery. He wanted

(09:47):
to get his nose done. He wanted to get like
a nose job. And the thing is like, it's so
sad because he was such a such a beautiful man,
you know what I mean, And because he got bullied
so much. This is crazy. He got bullied online even
though he was such a champion and such a legend.
He got bullied online, just people saying this guy has
a big nose in this and that, and it impacted
him and he went to Thailand and then secretly went
and got a nose job to fix it. And I

(10:08):
remember him calling me when I was in Thailand. It
was stitched up in bandages and he's like, yeah, man,
I got a no job. I just didn't want to
tell anyone. And I'm just thinking bloke. There's men out
there that would dream to look like you, Like, what
the fuck are you doing? Are you kidding me? I'm like,
damn man, this guy's proper like insecure and damaged from

(10:29):
all these comments online when he shouldn't be. It just
it was heartbreaking to be honest. I'm like, God, damn man.
And this is what happens when you're like a twenty
one year old kid. You're impressionable, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Because then he extended you had to stay a bit longer,
he extended to come back or something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I told him to come back, and he
extended to stay longer to heal up to come home. Yeah.
So obviously my parents could have noticed that he was
like bandaged up and shit like that. Yeah, and he
didn't tell his parents. He was no, no, no, no, no
one at all. My parents knew he was going to Thailand,
but they didn't know what for. They thought just for
a holiday. And yeah, and he lied to them. He
lied to me saying he's going like with his mates,

(11:05):
probably because he didn't want to get us all concerns.
He was very good at being secretive and keeping a
lot of emotions to himself. But he was also very impressionable,
which was the sad part, because yeah, the bullying got
to him. I can honestly sit here and say that
the bully in the end is what got to him
and gave him a lot of anxiety towards closer towards
his death, you know what I mean. The reason I

(11:27):
was able to handle it a lot better than him
was my fame hit a lot later than him. He
hit fame in like eighteen. My fame came like around
twenty six twenty seven after his passing, you know, being
his brother and obviously doing my own thing and just
rising up in the ranks and the industry. So I
had fame hit me it at a lot later of
an age, So I was able to handle it much

(11:49):
much better than he ever could, you know what I mean.
And I've seen that happened many times. You look at
any celebrities justin Bieber Britney spears like this is obviously
really strong examples here, But when fame hits someone at
a super young age like not many people are crypt
to handle it and a lot of them fall into drugs, depression,
and uh, yeah, I guess I was just luckier.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I actually looked at it because I looked at a
few of his things on social media. Do you think
because he was bullied so much online to get himself
around that is that why he did his you know,
his his different moves, his unique dance moves to get
that out. You know, it was that to clear his
head to go out and party, Like what was the

(12:30):
way he would he would release all this at the gym.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
He was at the gym. The gym was his release
and the body was his mechanism for showing everyone like, hey,
like this is me and I trained hard and I
can party hard too. So he was just being himself
with the dancing in the party. He generally loved to dance.
He was a great dance and love to party. You
love to have a good time. That was that was
true to him, Like that wasn't an escape from anything.

(12:54):
The gym was his escape. And towards the end of
his life before he passed away, I remember he was
even saying on his Facebook fan page that he wants
to veer away from his character and do more things
to help people and building itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
wanted to wisen up because you can see all the
fake friends and the bullshit around him, and he wanted
to wisen up and start, you know, using his fame

(13:14):
for good. I remember one of those posts on his
Facebook pages, which so I thought at the time was
very noble of him and in very very good mindset
to have it at such a young age of twenty two.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
So could you see it that he was he was
stressed about the haters, could you like, Yeah, yeah, dude,
we would go out and he would come home tell
me that he would get like jumped by groups of
lebows and wogs outside of trademark and tunnel, like groups
of five or six guys like trying to.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Like beat him up, And then he had to run
into a cab and they were trying to pull him
out of the cabin. Had to kick their arms and
doors away and slam the slam the cab door, and
then the cab had to fucking zoom off for no
reason other than they were just jealous of him, no
reason at all. I mean, yeah, he said some fucking
outlandish ship, Like he said some crazy ship. To be honest,
like he was like wasn't pointed at anybody. It was

(13:59):
just about him, you know, Yeah, yeah, there were some
things where he'd like, like, I cop shit for some
of the things he did. He did, like a video
where he like wore like a T shirt as a
turban and pretended to pray as a Muslim and that
fuck and he'd had died already at the time. And
then I had fucking shit for that. I had people
coming up to me a roxy's saying, oh, wow, like

(14:20):
you're making fun of Muslims. I'm like, I'm like, correction
is this made fun of Muslims And he wasn't making
fun of him. He was just being a dickhead. I
actually have lots of Muslim friends. I don't make fun
of Muslims. I'm not my brother. That's another problem. I
counted everyone would think what he did I did, and
I just had to clean up his mess pretty much,
which was fucking hard enough for me as I was,
so I would have a lot of the people after

(14:41):
me thinking that I was him and thought I had
the same views and thoughts and this and that. But
the truth is he was just a clown trolling around
having a laugh. Like you know, he had lots of
Muslim friends, you know, and he had lots of Christian friends.
He had lots of friends of everything. He'd make fun
of gay people too, he had lots of gay friends,
like he was just being a clown.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I actually thought, yeah, a lot of people did, dude,
A lot of people did back then, Like yeah, back
then if you like had like ear rings and straighten
your hair and all the guys will wear the lip
class back then, and then the bump bags lip class
and everything.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, like people like, he'd get a lot of comments,
people call him gay, Like lots of liberts would be
like you're gay, you're a fucking training or this and that,
and he'll just get into fights about it. He'd be like,
how can I be gay when I fucking more bitches
than you guys, you know what I mean? Because girl
was all over all around him, you know what I mean.
But yeah, and then the guys would just fucking hate
him for it, bro, And you'd get him into a
lot of fights, like heaps of fights at festivals outside

(15:38):
of clubs, like heaps, heaps, heaps, heaps, heaps, but he'd
always manage to escape them. And then I'd have Dickhead's
message in me, like even still to this day, like, oh,
your brother was a bit he ran away from like
a one on one fight, and I'm like, brother, he
wasn't a fighter. We're fucking body we're bodybuilders.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
If you gave me two years to train as a
boxer a fighter, I'd fight ya. But I'm not like
as rich Piana said, you know rich Piana, the people
going up to him on the street trying to pick
fights with him, and he's like, bro, I'm a bodybuilder.
This is I do by craft. I'm not built to
be a fighter. You know. It's the same like if
you train long and hard enough at anything, I'm sure
you've done some fighting and training, gah, you know what

(16:13):
to do. It's it's like me going up to someone
who's never trained in the gym and be like, I
can outlift you. No, ship of course you can. And
I would do the same when people come up to
me or him and be like, oh I could, I
could probably bash you in a fire. I'm like, I'll
be like, you probably could, bro, but I lift you
in the gym.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
But you could see, even as I said, only for
the times I did see him, you could see that
he was looked at by guys, you know what I mean.
And it was a jealous streak and yeah, never like
you know, fuck, you know, you're looking good. It was
it was a because I think that came because he
was the attention he got off females was out of
this fucking world.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
It was ridiculous, and that pissed off a lot of
dudes because they're just looking at looking at him. Yeah,
I was there seeing it all go down. I'm just like,
oh man, this is going to get this kid in trouble. Yeah,
it was just a lot of jealousy. And the sad
part is it took him dying for like the influx
of love to come. At the time he was around
doing Get It Twisted. He was more loved than obviously disliked,

(17:08):
probably like seventy percent love but thirty percent hate. But
that thirty percent was strong. But in his death, the
years falling after bro it just became like absolute love
and admiration and the world had just realized what an
amazing human they lost, you know, like everyone, even the
haters were like, fuck, we're wrong about this kid. It
was a good It was one of the good ones.
But yeah, at the time, like, yeah, there was a

(17:28):
lot of jealousy surrounding his name and his publicity and
his fame and everything. Bro, Just people just like whir
how even the bodybuilders wouldn't let him like identify himself
as like a bodybuilder, Like he's not one of us,
he's not a bodybuilder, Like he's too small to this.
And yeah, just copping it left Brian center from everyone.
So and then it was just crazy, bro, absolutely crazy.

(17:51):
When you when you found out about his passion, yep,
did it hitt you straight away? Or did you not
believe it? I didn't believe it. The cops came to
my door and they told me, and I just, yeah,
I didn't believe it at the time. I just I
thought they were lying, and I felt like I was
in a bad Yeah. I was just in disbelief. I
was just like, nah, this, I fucking spoke to him yesterday, No,
two days ago. I think I can't remember. My brain

(18:13):
has actually blocked out a lot of the stuff from trauma,
to be quite honest, it's blocked out a lot of
the stuff from trauma. But I think I had spoken
him two days before, and then he said he was
supposed to come back in two days. And then the
police were literally at my door and they just gave
me the news and put his destiny in front of me,
and I'm just like, I'm like what, I'm like, There's
no fucking way. And then I tried to call his

(18:33):
phone and then started screaming and then just going crazy
and they just held me. And yeah, so it was
fucking bro. I blocked that memory out of my life
so hype so badly. But yeah, it was fucking tough too.
Did you go over that? Did his body his body
came back, His body came back. Did it hit reality
when you've seen that? Yeah, I mean it kind of

(18:54):
hit like a few days after and then his body
came back. And then all my friends and even my
family were like, you shouldn't see him, you shouldn't see him.
This is gonna sky you for life. I'm like, no, no, no,
like I need to see him. I need to see
if it's him, you know what I mean, like to
have closure. And then I saw it as him, and
then uh, yeah, I remember I kissed him on the
forehead and I just remember saying, I'm going to continue

(19:17):
what you started. I'm never gonna fucking stop. And I
never did, brother, I never fucking did. I continued and
carried out his legacy while living out my own, while
strengthening our family name and our own legacy together, which
has been a blessing and quite a life, quite a
fucking life, and I wouldn't change it for the world.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, his death made me become greater than what I
could have ever become. He brought me out of my
shell because I was always the quieter of the two brothers,
or the more softly spoken, even more than him, way
more softly spoken, way more quiet, way more shy, way
more introvertal. He was like the larger than life figure. Yeah,
so if you thought he was shy and quiet, I
was one hundred times more than that, bro, Way way

(19:59):
more than that. So it was his death that made
me come out of my shell and become who I became.
So had he been alive, dude, I would have still
probably been the background character and let him have all
the spotline. Probably would have been a pet or something,
and probably would have been super shy and quiet guy.
But now over the years, people have recognized me as

(20:20):
being super confident and outgoing and outspoken, and I'm just like, fuck,
how did all this happen? And it wasn't It's not
like a course you can do or something you can learn.
It's something that life just kind of just throws on
you and you either grow with it and you go
with it or you go the other way. And I
guess for me it was an option, a bro, I
just did. It made me stronger, you know what I mean?

(20:42):
Like death, immediate death in the family, whether it's your siblings,
your children, it can either make or break you. And
for me it little fire in me, bro and it
made me rise up and take the bodybuildings Steaga. While
it took me almost ten years, I had to go
through my trials and tribulations before I could become the
man it could become. So from twenty five, I'd say

(21:03):
to about thirty one, ten years took me. I six
years of just proper morning, not eating properly, not training properly,
drug abuse, everything. Until people around you to help you
to get through this. I'd like to think that I did,
But all they did was put more drugs in front
of me and enable poor behavior. More so, they weren't

(21:24):
concerned with helping me be better. You just wanted to
get on the drugs and hell yeah yeah. And it
took me growing up and becoming like a little bit
secure in my own skin to realize, Hey, these motherfuckers
weren't my friends. What kind of friends put fucking coke
and drugs in front of my face? Like after my
brothers died and the years on end, Like, what kind
of friends are they? Those aren't fucking friends? These are

(21:45):
these are these are snakes, man, Like a true friend
would have helped me get clean, would have been there
to look after me, and like, we'll see if my
family are okay, check in time to time, not just
pour me in for every fucking party and brop my
brain into further degeneration. When I was like such a
critical like mindset, you know what I mean. So, and
it took a bit of self discovery and my own
self journey to realize. So around thirty one, I kind

(22:06):
of just realized that thirty thirty one distanced myself from everyone.
And then I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna take
this fucking bodybuilding thing more seriously. I'm going to start
my own clothing business. I'm going to start my own
online coaching business. I want to give this social media
thing a real crack. And now, brother, I can safely
say that you know, like, I'm doing so great and
it's been such a blessing and I see people working

(22:28):
nine to five and I'm here just traveling all over
the world and doing anything I want, doing things that
I love to do, and like, bro makes me so happy,
and I'm like, Bro, I should have just if I
had this belief in myself at the age of twenty five, Bro,
I would have been a fucking movie star by now.
But you know what I mean, I went through shit.
Everything's yeah, and I had to learn, you know what
I mean. At that time, I wasn't thinking of business

(22:50):
and making money and successful. I was just like, let's
take one step at a time, one day at a time,
because the worst thing in life has just happened to
me and I need to move forward and survive. And yeah,
it took me about six years. So the last thirty
one to thirty on last eight years have just been
pure bliss, bro. Like as much happiness as a man
who's lost his soulmate can have, but absolutely pure bliss. Bro.

(23:13):
Like I've met a wonderful girl, I've launched Monster of businesses,
traveled to over fifty countries in the last eight years,
done exposed fitness expos all over the world in Germany, Spain, England, Russia, China,
just doing what I love. Being a fitness influences what
I if you said before, did you ever have a dream?
Not as a kid, but when I was a young
guy into bodybuilding, I did have a dream, and my

(23:35):
dream was to do something and make money in fitness.
And I've managed to do it now. Bro, So I
am literally living out my dream and it feels fucking good.
It feels fucking damn good. Bro.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
What before we get back into all the bodybuilding stuff,
what area did you grow up in?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well? What area? When he passed? Were you all living
in around the Hills area?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Way around the Hills area? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, okay, so that makes sense to me. Yeah yeah,
because we're up in the west. No, No, because when
I because I'm from the Hills right ye Castle Will No, No,
I'm from like Dural Hills.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Oh beautiful.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
So one night, when when I found out that he
was in Riverston, you went, wow, why here?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Like That's what I was trying.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
To think, Like why They're like, it's it's a small,
little compact family kind of cemetery.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
We chose Riverston because a lot of Kurdish people are
buried there from our community. So that's why the parents
chose Riverston Cemetery, not by geographical location or anything like that,
just because a lot of Kurdish people from the community
are buried there. So my parents wanted him to be
closer with like our community of people.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
But yeah, we grew up in the hills area around
Carlingford Eastwood. We always eventually I was a Pta Castle Hill.
It was mad, bro like, it was mad growing up
in that area, like I would have hated growing up
in the West. Half of our aesthetics crew all grew
up from the West, and you can tell the difference
from them and us. We are just far more educated
and a lot more eloquent and well spoken then then

(24:56):
the boys from the West. They were a bit more
red blooded and a little bit more primitive and a
little bit more aggressive. It was just it was very
obvious to tell, like the two sides of the spectrum.
And it's it's interesting, you know, but but we bonded
over our love of like fucking fitness, women, gym, aesthetics parting.
You know, that's where we all had the common ground
but very different people. Wow. Yeah, because I was. I

(25:17):
was just that was the biggest question. I wanted to ask,
why Riverston And now you've just answered that for me?
What was there? What was the funeral? Like?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Was a massive field that a lot of people turn
off for that out of hand? Or was you keep
it quiet?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
It was pretty quiet, Bro, there was maybe like i'd say,
one hundred people, one hundred and fifty is it that?
Would you call that a big funeral? That's fair big, yeah,
but that's kind of that's more intimate. Honestly, I can't
even fucking remember, dude. Yeah, I can't even remember.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Was it like?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Was that kind of a that they just a blair
to you? It was such a it still is a blur.
I remember it being big, but I couldn't tell you
for sure. It's a fucking great question. The power of
the mind, see what it does, bro, just blocks out
things you don't want to remember, what you don't want
to think. I'm pretty sure it was big. I'm pretty
sure it was big. It's crazy to say that. I'm
pretty sure it was big, but it might have been small.

(26:04):
I don't know. I think about one hundred people, but
all at the time that I could remember was just
him and everything else's background noise. So in my mind,
there was no one there. If that makes sense. Why
do you think he was so popular. Why do you
think he was so popular with the teenagers and the
young people, dude? I think he was a voice for

(26:25):
all the young and skinny guys, all the outcasts of
the society, all the fucking losers and who couldn't get
girls or who couldn't socialize it was too awkward. He
was that kid who was that kid who became this kid,
and they're like, fuck, well, if this guy can do
it and document his whole story on Facebook how we
did it, we can do it too. Because he literally
was like a world of Warcraft like gamer that was

(26:46):
like super skinny, that had this huge transformation that portrayed
this super confident, larger than life character. And I think
that's what all the young kids looked at, the ones
that were picked on in high school, the ones that
didn't make it to the top of the football team
or didn't have their choice of girls. They're like, well,
if this kid can do it, we can do it too.
And he spoke to a generation of kids and brought

(27:07):
a generation of people into bodybuilding that no other fucking
bodybuilding has ever been able to do. I'd like to
say that Aziz was the Connor McGregor of the fitness industry.
Conna brought people into the UFC that never had any
interest or love of fighting or anything to do with
fighting at all. He brought a new audience of people
that otherwise would have never looked at fighting, touch fighting,

(27:29):
or considered fighting to be a sport or interesting. He
had that larger life personality, as was that for the
fitness industry. He brought people that would have seen bodybuilding
as like a cult like sport for just people that
are like just being and like aggressive. He brought like
a whole generation and different audience of people that would
have never otherwise been into bodybuilding. And that's why he's

(27:50):
so loved, because he gave these guys hope. And these
guys that came in and had their own transformations felt
better about themselves and their own skin through their own
bodybuilding journeys and this and that, and they always look
back to how did we get to this level? It
was fucking Ziz. It's a beautiful thing, bro. So he
brought all these people that otherwise wouldn't have ever been
into the gym, and I think that's the best comparison.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I like to how did he cope by getting to
like some of the people like calling him God, Like
that's massive shit, and like, how did he cope with that?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Was he not affecting? Yeah? Yeah, not that well man. Yeah,
Like on one side he was really humble, but on
obviously on another side he would lap up the attention
and really enjoy it. But it got to a point
where little such high expectations of him that he felt
immense pressure to obviously always get bigger, get leaner, be

(28:39):
stronger in the gym, just party that much harder, make
videos ten times more entertaining. So it's like a blessing
and a curse, Like it was just the curse of
always having it to be better than his old self
and always like improving and being better and stronger and
funnier and all these kind of things. So when there's
how much pressure placed on you, it's very very hard

(29:00):
not to crumble in a way and not to feel
the way of the world when they're watching over you,
especially at such a young age where you're trying to
just fit in and have everybody like you and ship
like that, you know what I mean, it feels to
do it at a later age. I don't think you
would have given a fuck, to be honest. But then
I feel if you've done it on a later age,
you wouldn't have impacted as many people. That correct. Yeah,

(29:21):
so like again, it's like a double sword, is it. Yes,
I I've never seen so someone so young. Yet, as
I said before, he only did you ever think this
kid of DC's that you saw would have become like
when I was wild to see you?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
That's what I mean, Like, I mean, that's what I suppose.
He had that presence and he had this image that
you will never forget. Okay, So even though I met
the first time I met him, I remember every time
he turned up, he stood in the crowd, and I
sometimes do I think once maybe I let him go
from the line.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yep, But when I heard.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
The bad news about it, straight away I knew who
he was.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
You didn't have to show me a picture. Yeah, you
just knew. I knew it's like that guy.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the key that used to let in,
you know what I mean, the key that used to
let in with the shirt, the small shorts and over
the years you would have seen him become larger than life, correct,
you know, like he opened up to me and the
old are your kids so mine eleven and thirty, they
would have known about him just yet but a bit
oh no, don't actually know you're wrong there. Actually my
eldest one does because he's he said, just the net.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
So everyone I get probably looks up to him in
a way probably like this kid's ye yeah, it's crazy,
it's crazy, And you're probably thinking this this, how do
you know about this person? Guy? I met him?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
But how do you know about That's when you say
he opened up to you in a way where he
wouldn't He wouldn't come in with his head down anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
So nice because we got to know each other.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
You know, there was no like he wait there once
I got to know that this person isn't trying to
be somebody.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, he's just a good kid. He's humble.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, people like that will get out the line.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
And is and is that because d C's at the
time obviously went from like being what it was to
being more like having like more like ethnic people there
and walks there from being like a gay club at
the start, and you didn't want people coming to the
place that are basically going to cause trouble. Well, that's
that was because you'd look at him and you'd think,
this kid's not going to cause trouble. Look at the
short shorts. So where what was it that would make

(31:06):
you think twice a bit? It was the dress code,
because I know you'd have to voice very I was
very on the dress code. Like dress code, yep.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
But I was also big on on on the tats
and people being bulked up and fucking thinking.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Jacked and all like that, but you could probably tell he.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Wasn't like a bad cut. He wasn't he wasn't a stereotype. Nah.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
But and at the end of the day, you know,
when I first met him and as I said, and
I let him in, we done that thing on the door.
I knew from then he was humble, all right. I
didn't think i'd see him again because he was from
the boat part. I remember him from the boat because
I did the boat too.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
He loved it.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Then when he came back and then it was like, Okay,
it's you again, and then it's you again, and then
I think it was on maybe the fifth or sixth time,
I've seen him. I remember flicking the barrier and he
and he walked in. I said, broke going. I said,
all right, boat going, and yeah, we had a little band.
I'd always say, bro put your fucking your ship back
on me.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He love definitely. Every time I went for walk upstairs
to get drinks to take he was a cheeky little
bugger like that. It was very cheeky. But no, that's
that's how I remember him. And that's as I said.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
When I heard the new bad news about him, and
you show it away, you know what I mean. But
it was always what I remember when I was telling
everyone when it happened, it's the kid who he used
to let him.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
It was never like who he was. I didn't give
a shit who he was. But I didn't realize how
popular he was. That's the biggest thing I didn't know.
And when you realize, you would have just probably been
like what the fuck? Like this guy is like huge,
you know what I mean, like worldwide, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Like millions and millions of fans adalyze him, like you know,
I've looked it up. You know what I mean for
someone that age have millions and not just Australia, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Man, and you've got these big influence. It's probably even
bigger overseas than he's here in Sydney, Australia. The things
that they're saying about him, He's immortal, he's this, he's here.
It's crazy. It's crazy. I see these comments all the
time TikTok Instagram, and I'm just like, it makes me smile. Man,
I'm like they're still Like for them to remember him
and keep speaking about it makes me feel like he's
still alive. The worst thing it could happen is when

(32:59):
a man dies, everyone just forgets him. And that has
given me like so much purpose in life as well,
and just so much happiness to see that people still
speak about him. You know, it makes me feel still
connected to him, like he's still around, Like he's like
I still have a mission to complete for him and
for me, Like you know what I mean, I still
got ship to do. That's why, Like this documentary is
just like the start of it, bro, Like I got
so much more, bigger plans and it's it's it's great

(33:20):
that people are keeping his name alive. I appreciate it
and I hope it keeps happening, and when he.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Was when he got to the fame, he got a
sponsored Jim Shark, Yeah, Jim Shark.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That wed or something like that, Nutris SUPs mutated Nation,
and he got singlets to Wear or something like that
for some company. Yeah yeah, yeah, it wasn't Jim Shark,
but no doubt he'd probably be with Jim Shark now
it feels around. But it was a company called Nutris SUPs.
And then he started his own protein label called Protein
of the Gods. So he played on this whole god

(33:52):
zeus like aura that people threw upon him. He's like,
you know what, I'm gonna play with it. And then
he started his own protein label he started after he passed.
It just kind of like with yeah, just faded out
a little bit, you know what I mean. And the
clothing obviously he wasn't around. And then we would have chats,
me and him as he was on his come up,

(34:14):
like how cool it would be to start a clothing
line together, and I was like, yeah, I'd run it
and you'd just be the face. And then obviously he passed,
and I'm just like, man, like I got to I
got to create this, you know what I mean, and
then that's how Subversion Fitness, which is the clothing line
that I've been doing for the last ten years, was born.
It was born from a dream of like two brothers,
one legacy, you know, and that's what I like to

(34:34):
dub it as. And like all these kids now from
all over the world by the clothes, wear the merch
and you know, just it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I've kept it going for ten years and it's something
that we dreamed of doing together. So I'm happy to
say that I'm still doing that to this day, among
other things.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
So yeah, man, because I look at him and to go,
imagine if he turned up the fitness expo.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Oh man, have a bigger line than like Arnold Swartzenegger. Like,
it'd be fucking insane. If you came out in Sydney
right here, people that didn't didn't even know him would
still recognize him. We'll see him from the time where
he passed away and he was on the Channel seven
news or they would have seen his head around or
heard his name. You don't even have to know him
to know him. That's how fucking big his name is,

(35:16):
you know what I mean. He could just like randomly
sporadically appear right now to fitness expert, I'm telling you
that place will get fucking shut down. It'll be crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
How are you going about, like, I know we've talked
a little bit about it, about how are you going
about now keeping that legacy.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Going for him? So basically I've just been living my
life for him and for me for the last however
so many years. For example, the clothing line is one
way that I like to feel like I'm giving back
to the people. They wear these clothing, they feel like
they're attached to, you know, two brothers that help them
in their bodybuilding a fitness journey. So that's the dream
that means is shared. So I'm keeping it alive by that.

(35:51):
I'm keeping alive by just always one period of time,
I had like about like hour's worth of content of
his from his computer and his hard drive, and every
year I would release a video about him to keep
his like kind of like Tupac Man, you know, Tupeks
still had songs coming out when it was when it
was passed away, and people like how like the one
with Eltera, John and Shit. I did the same thing
for as I gave him his last dying Wish. I

(36:13):
was last Wish, and I remember he just wanted to
be so mega famous, larger than life. He loved the
attention so much so when he passed away and I
had his hard drive in his computer with all these
unseen videos he's never released, it's as if like he knew,
like something bad was going to happen, because I'm not
sure if you've seen any of the videos, is the Legacies,
is Revolution Genesis, all these like like there's like five
or six I made, releasing one every year on the

(36:34):
day of his birthday. Like it's as if he's talking,
like you know, something's gonna happen, like he's given a
speech to his people and everything, and it's just like
fucking intense. I'm watching it. I'm like, I have to
share this with the world. He would want, he want
me to share this with the world, So I would
make all these videos, and the one that I made
that was the biggest was his Legacy to got like
twenty five million views, and I'd release one every year,

(36:54):
and after about five six years, the content finished and
then I just after that, I'm like, all right, I
did as much as I could for my brother. Now
I have to live my life. I have to focus
on my life. And then that's when I went into
online coaching. I went into competitive bodybuilding, and I earned
my WFF Pro card back in twenty twenty one, and
now I'm chasing my IFBB Pro card. So i want

(37:16):
two pro cards, two federations, double champ champ status and
just doing like multiple businesses online social media, and that's
my gig, you know, so very similar to what he
was doing. I'm just living the life that he probably
would have been living, but also doing my own thing
with a competitive body building so it's really nice like
I'm living out his legacy and I'm also riting my
own with the competitive body building and all the other

(37:37):
ventures that I'm doing, also with the documentary that's coming
up on the Life of Me and as that's another
way I keep his legacy alive. And yeah, just constantly
speaking of him, mentioning him him, and just living my
life through his shoes and my shoes. You know, we
are the double dragons of aesthetics, my friend. You know
you one can't exist without the other. I would be
nothing without him, and he would have not gone as

(38:00):
popular as he did without me. We both needed each
other for this movement to happen and for millions of
others to be inspired along the way, and that's the
beauty of it All.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Parents about it like they you know how they coping
with everything. Still it still goes like his name still
goes on, so you know what I mean? Did they
think that he was going to hit this kind of
fame after he passed away?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
This is where it gets a little bit sad. My
parents don't really speak of him too much. They're super
strict old school wogs. Wow, So they don't really It's
like the elephant in the room.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Were just so it's like it's just that's it. It's
a topic he does don't talk about.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, so they grieve like that, whereas I like to
grieve by speaking about it, by you know, doing things
that he would have liked to do, and by feeling
him in the moment. I a grieve like that. Yeah,
they agrieve because they in the ways where they just
don't speak about him at all.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Does that mean like photos have gone down in the
house and everything goes like that? Yeah that insane?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah yeah yeah, and wo my mom hasn't watched any
of as his videos ever. She was very she wasn't
very supportive of his lifestyle or his bodybuilding endeavors and
social media career, like she doesn't care much for it.
She doesn't even watch my stuff at all, my podcasts much.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
She doesn't come to you any of it, Like what
a building events like that, she didn't even know I
had a bodybuilding show two three months ago.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I had to hide it. It's very intense. It's very sad.
It's very sad. They wanted me and my brother to
be doctors, lawyers, but we became two bodybuilders. My parents
are so proper traditional their kids.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, I know it's tough.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
See, that's that's just like it's tough I know to
my mother in sixteen years because she didn't agree with
what I did.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, so we speak, but you know, it's very one dimensional,
very it's very awkward. I'm always hiding who I am.
I never speak of anything that I do. She just
pretends I'm some normal guy and then as was just
some normal guy when yeah, it's just really sad. Wow, Bro,
I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah, it is what it is. Bro.
I'm a grown man. You know, you can't choose your parents,
and you can't choose what they like, what they said, Paul,

(40:01):
All I know is that when I have children, no
matter what they fucking do, I will be the one
hundred percent to support them. I'll be present and I'll
be like so supportive and so invested in their life
and so invested in what they do. As I'm sure
you are, like you just mentioned, because you said you
don't have a relationship with your mother, I bet you're
like such a good father to your kids. I can
see it. I can feel it for every brother exactly.

(40:22):
You know you would want to do everything that your
mother couldn't have done for you, but as a man
for your kids. You know, it's the same with me.
I love my parents. They're amazing. They gave me and
as a good life they provided and they gave us
a comfortable home and it was always fit on the table.
They were amazing parents, very hard working. But they just
couldn't connect and agree with what we're doing ever, and

(40:42):
they just didn't want to be a part of it.
Didn't want to see it, didn't want to watch the videos. Nothing,
just we don't want to know about it. To us,
you just say it and as is yeah, so even now,
like they won't watching any of my videos. Do they
go to his grave site anytime?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, they do. Yeah, they'll go to his grave site
quite often, way more than I do these days. But
they just won't ever watch his videos. They just don't
want to. Even when he was around, they wouldn't watch
his videos and his death, they won't watch his videos
at all. And they don't watch my videos or my
podcasts or my YouTube stuff, nothing. Nothing. I don't know.

(41:18):
It's really weird. I don't understand that personally. I think
I don't know your guests is as good as mine. Bro.
You know, old school, super old school work parents that
just have like a very a very narrow minded way
of thinking.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
It's their way of blocking it out that he has passed.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Perhaps they don't want to know about it. And the
thing is like when they see me, they see him,
you know what I mean. So they just don't want
to watch my shit because it reminds them of him,
and we're very similar. So it's like, well, fuck, you know,
every time I see like saying, I think of his
is and it's like so they just choose to block
it out completely. Yeah man, Yeah, but it's given me

(41:55):
a chip on my shoulder, which has made me work
hard to be successful. Like, it's made me work fucking
hard because I'm always like, oh, fucking show them. They
think bodybuilders can't make money and be successful, I'll show them.
And then it's it's this chip on my shoulders what's
made me become successful. I've worked so fucking hard to
just get the approval of my mind.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Like as you said at the start of the interview,
that you don't have any family members here, but you
had your brother and your parents.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
That's it. That's it, bro.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And when you now you've lost your brother and now
it's like you haven't even got your parents to like
watch you and see what.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I'm very lucky. I have
my girlfriend though she's super supportive. She's also lost her
sister when her sister was twenty two years of age,
so we have a lot in common and she's been
like my number one supporter. She's been amazed and towards
what you're doing. Very supportive. Yeah. Her dad's like super
proud of what I do. I was amazed by it.
He's like, this is incredible. It's like my son in

(42:47):
law is like fucking famous, is a famous bodyboard that
compete so cool, Like check out my son in laws.
You know what I mean, as it should be. But yeah,
I mean, I mean I respect my parents for how
they think and feel. It's you can't change someone and
expect them to be a different person. Yeah, And you
know I'm at that level, like I'm a grown man.
I don't need that kind of attention and approval like that. Yeah, brother,

(43:10):
yeah it does. And I do have a feeling that
one day they might regret it, but you know that's
their journey to go through. I'm too busy living mind.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Do you think he brought out any regrets before he
passed away, like it was any you know?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Of course I think so. Yeah, Like everyone has regrets.
I think he probably regretted lots of things. I think.
Do you have any regrets from when I was younger.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Anything that bothers you in life that you wish you'd
never done, any could have changed?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Plenty of regrets? Yeah, yeah, plenty of regrets. I know
a lot of people sit there and try to be
all stoic and be like, oh no, everything I've done
in life is all with purpose and this and that,
But I think that's bullshit. Yeah, you know I could
have done more this less of that. I consider and
tell you stories for days and days. You know I
could have what you've learned from him. Yeah, that's it,
bro like, And we're going to keep making mistakes along

(44:00):
the way. That's the journey called life. Brother, you know
it's it's gonna keep happening. We're gonna kee sucking up,
but then we keep learning. You know, even as as now,
like you're a parent, you never get it right. You're
always gonna learn along the way. The most important thing
is that you're learning and you're evolving and you're getting better.
You don't make the same mistakes. Do I regrets? Fuck? You?
Would I change anything going back in time knowing these regrets. No,

(44:24):
I wouldn't change the fucking thing. Everything happened for a reason,
and everything happened for me to become the man I
am today. And you know, if I would have done
it any differently, who knows where I would have ended up.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
To be honest, When he went to talent, you did
you know he was You did know where he was
going to, didn't I.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Knew he was going? Yeah, I just didn't know he
was going on his own? Did you see him before
you end? How many days before did you see him
before you went? Jeezus, like fifteen years ago now, the
day probably like the day before, yeah, and the day
before the morning of. Do you ever think that you
wish that he had asked you to go or something
like that, I mean, of course, yeah, I mean those
thoughts will naturally pop up in your mind, like I

(45:00):
wish he didn't go, wish she fucking went somewhere else,
wish he never went a like yeah, yeah, of course, yeah,
of course, so I would wish that for him. But
you know, ultimately, he was his own man, and he
made his own choices and did his own things. But yeah,
of course, you know, I wish he never went. I
wish he did things differently, should or would have could have.

(45:21):
We could sit here and talk about all this stuff
by the end of the day, you know, like everyone's
responsible for their own decisions. And I mean I think
he would have also did things differently if he had
a second chance at life, for sure, Yeah, for sure,
he would have did things differently, approached life a little
bit more cautiously, with a little bit more respect towards life.
And yeah, because life is so fragile man, and not

(45:42):
just like this is like I've I've seen people around
me like I've lost friends, I've lost family, you know,
I've known people that have died from like murtorbike accidents
and all sorts of shit. Bro. Life is so fragile, bro,
and we just have to respect it. Well, I realize
that now we're being older, how our short life is. Yeah,
I'm seeing now like you know, like even just like fuck,

(46:02):
I was just talking about whul Cogan before, like childhood heroes. Bro's, ohh,
I'm at the age now where childhood heroes. It's like
it's going to get to a level where there's no
stars around that I used to look up to. It's
all these fucking new kids and like, oh shit, I'm
like I'm getting to that level now. So it's kind
of scary. How long do you reckon? You could? Damn.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You're going to bodybuild for my whole life, brother, the
whole life. I love bodybuilding.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Bro. I'm not stopping anytime soon. Bro. Like I'm thirty nine,
I turn forty next year. I'm going to be competing
as a forty year old. I'll be doing like you know,
if I get my pro card and IFPB, I'll give
myself maybe one or two years till I get it.
I might do Master's Olympia if I make it there
one day. Who knows, Bro, Like I love bodybuilding. If
I don't compete, I'll definitely still keep bodybuilding for the
rest of my life, not just for the physicality of

(46:47):
it all, but more than mindset. Bro. And it makes
me feel good, like it helps with my like you know,
with my ruminating thoughts and my anxiety. It just makes
you feel good. You know when your training is like
your escape, Bro, It's like my escape from life. Jim
My fucking Mecca. Bro. Like, without jim I crumble. I
don't even need to fucking train hard. I just need
to train. I need movement in my life. I love exercise.

(47:08):
I love I go snowboarding every season. I play soccer,
I play tennis, I bodybuild. I love being physically active. Bro,
you take that away from me, I'll fucking kill myself.
So will I keep bodybuilding for the rest of my life? Yeah?
Fucking other, Well, we might be doing a podcast in
ten this time. I'll be fifty years old, bro, with
a long gray beard, like fucking jacked all shit. But
I'm never stopping bodybuilding.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Bro. We spoke, we spoken, we spoke off after before.
I mean, let me ask you, would you stop bodybuilding now?
So you see, you know, it keeps me young, It
keeps me, and it keeps me at a level where
if I didn't, if I didn't go to the gym
and do what I.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Did, I wouldn't be here. You'd be old, don't You're
you're young. Bro. I look at you and I see
like a forty year old dude, you know what I mean?
Like I'm forty. People think I'm fucking dirty. Like fitness
is like the cure for like youth. Bro. So many
people don't train, They don't train hard enough, Like they
don't understand their training is not just about looking good.
It's like, you know, your bones become stronger, your mind

(48:03):
is stronger, Like you want to be able to fucking
play with your kids, bro, and your grandkids when you're fifty, sixty, seventy.
Like you know, I look at my parents and they
didn't exercise their whole life, you know, like, and they're
very like unhealthy. And I'm just like I'm going to
be seventy one day and I'm going to be super healthy.
Still do to pull up and chin ups running on
the bench. Bro, I'll be like Arnold, Bro, I'm telling you,
and that's what life's about. Bro. You want to stay

(48:24):
young and fit as long as you can and be healthy. Wow,
you know before we will finish all this like, it's
been a great podcast. Thank you for We're going to
do around too many around too. It's been a pleasure.
It's been a pleasure. The body failed we talked off
are right?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, and we like I said, I have dilemmas when
I'm skinny, you know, like I feel like I'm skinny.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
But I know yeap, you get that too. Yeah, that
my friend is called body the smallphia. I'll get that.
I'll get that all the time. Man, I get that
all the time. How do you get through that? What's
the best way you would say you would get through that? Well?
I mean for me, it's just like you said before.
Once my shirts and my old shorts start feeling tight
again and I can feel like they're a bit too

(49:07):
small for me, I start feeling good and I normally,
like I normally have like a weight that I like
to be around. If I'm anything under that, I feel small.
And if I'm overly balked too heavily. I also don't
like that as well. My face gets fat, my neck
gets fat, and shit, I fucking hate that too, bro.
So it needs to be at a level where you
just know. So it's hard to explain. You just you've

(49:28):
got to be having a good streak in the gym
for at least like about four or five six months
and be super consistent and then like not missing any
sessions this and that. Right now, I feel like shit
because for the last three months, two or three months
since my COMBA, I've only been training once a week,
twice a week max for the last three months.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Just sometimes when you're at the gym and you're not
feeling it, you know you're being lazy, but you just
but you're not pushing yourself. Sometimes I'll go to the
gym and I go, I'm going, but I'm looking at that,
I'm looking at the easiest weights because I'm just I'm
being a fucking lazy cunt.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
But I know I can go. I know it should
be bused. Is is that when you're already in a
period of pushing yourself hard, or is that when you're
kind of like on and off, on and off. When
I'm gone, I've got I reckon, I've gone stale, you
know what I mean. Yeah, Well, when you go stell,
this is the problem, bro, When you go stell, it's
so hard to get back on that fucking steam train.
So the trick is to never get off the steam train.
And when you're on that steam train, if you do
a comp you fucking fall off that steam train because

(50:19):
you've been doing it so hard, you go the adverse effects.
So the trick is just to always stay at a
consistent level. And I was always at a consistence. It's
only until I started competing really hard in the last
three or four years that I would need big breaks
after competing for like one month two months just to
like center myself and ground myself before going full steam
ahead again. Because brow's bodybelding to such a fucking elite level.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
And I'm like talking like coaches for like leg day
and back day I was getting trained, you know. Jimmy Sadek,
big big boy, Jimmy was training me for legs for
like three years straight, and like from being scared of
training legs that hard to fucking loving it. And then
I'll tell him, I'm like, train me hard to cut
this is nothing. I'm like, I want to be fucking
crying when I walk out every crawling on my hands

(51:04):
and knees. And then like I'd ask him to read
the sessions at the end of every workout, go on
the Jimmy Static scale. What was that one out of ten?
Tell me brother, He's like, that was probably like an eight. Bro.
I'm like, really, you say I did an eight out ten?
Make workout according to you goes you did pretty fucking good.
I'm like, fuck yeah, and like I just yeah, you
just you need benchmarks, you need goals when you start

(51:24):
losing the motivation. It's good to have a trainer, It's
good to have a coach. These are things that I
have always in line for me to kickstart me and
get me back on the straight and narrow and training
hard and staying on the grind. I'd be lying if
I said I have moments of like just being a
lazy kind of gym That only time that happens to
me is after comp for like maybe one, two, three months.
I'm like a little bit like while I'm trying to

(51:44):
pick up my speed again, but once I'm at a
good rhythm. I never have days like that. If I
don't have a hard gym session, I feel like shit.
So I need to have a hard gym session to
walk out feeling good about myself. I can't go in
there giving fifty percent or thirty percent. I might as
well not fucking go. Yeah. So when I'm at that level,
I have to be training hard, and I have to
be doing it every day, four or five days a week. Minute.

(52:05):
And it's very easy to stay like that when you're
already at that momentum. It's when you lose that momentum
that you get in periods of mindset like you just mentioned,
where you just might have a lazy day and you
have a good day and a lazy day. If you
don't have any periods of like that and.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
You're on, I'll go and pick up the fifteen to
do arm kills instead of picking up the thirties, and
I usually do thirties.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah. So for me, I mean, I'm not you, bro,
so I can't say for you, but for me, I know,
if I was training in a home gym and I
didn't have like a comp to look forward to, or
if I didn't have a coach or a personal trainer,
even like I only have a PT for once a
week just for lazy.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
If I didn't have one of those things or all
of those things, I know, like I'm not going to
be one hundred percent on my game, you know what
I mean. So I need to have either all of
those things to kind of like fully flourish. And also
I need to be in a good gym and a
good ambience with other big boys around, like just to
fucking feel like I want to train hard, you know,
So I personally couldn't do what you do, have a

(53:01):
home gym and just train at the home gym all
the time. My idea as I'm getting older, I would
like to have a home gym. But that change it
for some time, correct. I might train at the home
gym once a week twice a week when I've got
plans and I've got ship to do and i don't
got time to be driving and fucking around talking to
people and training and ship. But and then eighty percent
of the time will be in the gym. So that's me, bro,

(53:23):
I need to be in a good environment, good gym.
You need to train with people. No train on my own, bro,
not like That's what I've usually done with people. Yeah,
because without two to my own home, brow, not many
people can keep up with my level of endurance. I'm
not I'm not the strongest guy. Like I'm really strong
on legs. I'm really fucking strong with legs upper body.

(53:43):
I've got a bit of NIX and nex. So i
still train really fucking hard, full stack most machines, heavyweights
and this and that. But I'm very good on insurance, bro, Like,
for like back, i will do something like twenty three
sets on my back alone, you know what I mean.
And not many people can keep up with my insurance
and high reps. You know. I'll start by warming up
my hamstrings by doing forty reps of fucking the hamstring curls,
just with a ten kilo weight each leg, just get

(54:05):
the blood in there, and then I'll start my sets. Yeah,
i might do like two sets like that, and then
I'll like load up like the hamstring curl machine with
I'll put five ten kilo plates and I'll do them slowly. Bro,
My hammi's are like ridiculously strong. It's fucking weird, way
stronger than my cords. So and not many people can
keep up with that, even guys a lot bigger than
we couldn't keep up with my workouts. So I just

(54:26):
found that that's just put me off doing a session
with you know, we have to Now that we've said it,
we have to do it.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
You'll love it. Bro, You'll enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Like I I love training hard, it's just put to
It's at a point where like, yeah, if if I
can't have like a regular training pilon that keeps up
with me and trains on my skeles, does my exercises,
I've become a bit like a bit postal my training,
then I don't want to train with you. But if
we would have a one off session with a mate
to train on, fuck yeah, of course I would. Would

(54:53):
I do it every day? No, that'd be like a
nightmare for me. Bro. I like to get in my zone,
headphones in BC's creating, fucking just feeling good, feeling myself
and just just just training fucking hard. Bro, you know
what I mean. And you can't do that with someone
unless they're at your level. And like, the only thing
I can think of is like if I was living

(55:14):
in a house with another bodybuilder and we were going
at the same time doing the same workouts and the
same exercises that that'ld be sick. But that's not realistic.
You can't fucking think like that. If you want to
just go train with one of your boys once a week,
once once every daw and a bloomin, I'll do it
for fun. But then I'll just take it easier. Unless
they're a big boy like you. Then I'm gonna have
to fucking try to put you through the ring of mate,

(55:36):
because you're a lot bigger than I am. But I
trained fucking hard, so I would have to show you
what I'm up against, you know, So i'd have to
get on the before. B I think you're under restorating yourself.
Maybe I'm undressing myself. I don't know. But we'll definitely
have a session, so we'll definitely do it. Before we go.
Describe yourself in one or two words. I always love

(56:01):
these ones. Two words sick hunt, nothing else. I can't
think of anything else, Bro, I need to give you
at least five words, ten words two words from cut
it at that nice camera action you al bro, Thanks
for coming on. It's been a pleasure for you, gentlemen.
Thank you. You know what it's been a good seeing

(56:23):
you since I haven't seen you fifteen years. And for
everyone that's watching the podcast, thank you guys for tuning in.
Neil's been a great host and I hope to be
back on here soon again. Bros, it's been a pleasure brother,
Thank you. Thanks