Confessions of an Escort | Hayley Summers

Hayley Summers joins Neil for a raw dive into the sex industry — from strip clubs to private work, heartbreak to healing. Hayley opens up about her journey through stripping and escorting, from the Gold Coast to Hong Kong and Melbourne’s nightlife. She shares raw insights into love, loss, self-worth, and the emotional realities behind sex work, private clients, and personal growth.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Apogee Production.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Muscle Commons and in this episode I speak to Hailey Sommers,
who talks about her journey from stripping to high profile escorts.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
What did you want to be when you grew up dancer?
Ironically we went the other way over, you know. One
of the managers said to me, man, you talk about
working here. You make good money here, and I was like, yeah, yes,
there are a lot of men out there who want
to be paid a lot more than you think. Windo
has X He's been HI four years. I just get

(00:45):
paid to use my stiletto on his book. I made
the decision to come out publicly last year because I thought,
if I own my ship, then you can't stand it
to me.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hailey, thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you
for having me. It's a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And as I said when I reached out to you,
and you do is something about you to have a story,
and that's why I've invited you down and I'm glad
you're here, and I'm now intrigued to hear what you
have to offer me on my podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm not sure it's a good thing or not really much.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
People might be.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Worried abright now, So let's let's kick it off before
we get into all the nitty gritty and the interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Stuff of your life. Well, growing up, you're from.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Gold Coast, Yes, yeah, so I've lived in most of
my life eighteen months old. Yeah, gold Coast girls throwing
through typical Gold Coast girls, for to speak, were about
some Gold Coast so don't come and that way.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
So what was like growing up?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Family wise and brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Look, I had a pretty lucky life in a way.
My parents were Okay, I went to Palm Beach from
high school. I went to like the dance program there.
You know that they had Mick Fanning and everyone I
was in their year and all that. So I grew
up with that kind of aspiration with my parents expected
me to do that. Younger sister and older brother. Yeah,
so life was pretty normal.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Looking at you, now, you stand out, Okay, you stand out. Okay,
you'd make an appearance.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's look, I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
But did you were you very.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Stand up in confidence it as a girl like in school?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh god no, I think that's the whole point of this,
probably whole thing in a way is Evan's Revarda and stuff. Anyway,
bake it to make it love that saying Actually I
was a dancer, so I was brought up to be
a dancer, and so I always had that stage presence
and sports of Roobis competed for Australia and that was
kind of my thing.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I loved performing.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So what did you want to be when you grew dancer?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, that's why I want to actually do professional dancing. Wow,
ironically we went the other way of it, you know, someway.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
So from what I've gather, you started stripping in Gold
Coast Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, at Players Nightclub. I know right that the old
school players.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, how old were you then? Eighteen? So yeah, I
didn't wait long.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Its like birthday came out.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think I was the second girl that have bake
boobs one. So it was back then they were quite
small and it was put nolty. So I started pretty early.
I was dancing in Brisbane as a dance in a
group as well. That was my cover for everyone else
not knowing what you're doing these days the bat there's
no social media, remember, so now I.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Can see everything was going on you keep it on
the low.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was trying to. Yeah, I was hiding my outfit
in my car, my Burina.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Everyone because is a small place.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Back in those days, it was taboo in a way.
It was so it wasn't as normalized it is as
it is now. So I kind of kept all down underneath,
so to speak. And that's where I went into Japan.
I went to Japan as a nanny. When I actually
go over there to strip.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You tell everyone you goes to be a nanny.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I told my parents and then they found out. So
you went to Japan and was a stripper and hostess
there for six months. And it was pretty evident that
I came back that I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Why did you go there for? Was the money better
or someone?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was so back that was back in the day
when Rapongi was the place to go. Seventh Heaventh's Brow
worked at and it was all the girls in the
world went there to work, and it was good money.
Lots of overseas bankers and so forth with there, not
just Japanese and so it was just good money. And
you know what was exciting. I kind of liked the
idea of double life in a way that no one
knew I was doing, to the point I was taking
photos for children in part pretending I'm actually nunning. Yeah bad, Yeah,

(04:28):
I fully went fully.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Send me back to players before you what made you
become a stripper?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
What engaged you to go? You know what I'm going
to try.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I thinks I've always done performing with the dancing and
the sports Arabic so I always loved being on stage
and love performing. I probably didn't have enough confidence to
probably like challenge path on its own in a way
whereas stripping and so forth at money, but a bit
of validation, you know, ironically it's a good and bad

(05:00):
thing sometimes and being a young girl that's kind of
you know, gave her that type of approach and fields.
But also then obviously I fell in love of the money.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's maybe that's what a lot of girls have told
me over interviews that you know, it's it's not something
I wanted to do, But the thing is, once you
see how much you can aim from it.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, and it's in it is definitely enticely and you
know it's not a one mold fits everything anyway. I
guess that's a big thing. You know. Then I was
saying two hundred three dollars a week on rent, like
on a three bedroom townhouse. And I was making four
froms that in a night, so it was no brainer,
you know, and players up the glorkas was no touching
the stay away. It was one of the states had

(05:38):
those stricter rules, I guess, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
When you wanted that someone would might see you or
know you like you could I.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
End up dating one of security guards.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
God, it's all running from them my love like oppress me,
or you date the security guards.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think that in itself is the probably podcast on itself.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So tell me about your first night there.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I walked out twice, so I went with three times
to go there because I was so nervous.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So you didn't turn off your shift, you just walked out.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I walked out.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, the first two times I walked out, and then
the third time I was like, give it a go.
I was so nervous, and I remember it so well.
I danced this man, he must have been fifty or sixty,
and all I kept going through was to slow down.
I was dancing like I was a fever or something.
So all I remember him telling me to slow down.
And then since after that was like became normalized, it

(06:32):
became like nothinging, like you kind of became closed off
and became is that what you've.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Got to do? Like to do something like that close
yourself off, like because I know you said you're like dancing,
but it's to give that thing of taking your clothes
off for somebody that you don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yes, So I think when I first started, it was
a remarix like that. I would have a routine down
to a tee. I give you my best three or
ten minutes dance and I know every probably stort it
now every move down to teeth and I'll reasoning him out,
Oh what feels tomorrow around my going if you if
you asked me who I saw the night forward ever
dancing pro I coudn't tell you. I was just in

(07:09):
that mode of switching off. As I've got older, now
my mindset's completely changed about being more actually in the moment,
and I find that it's better.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay, Yeah, So how long did you work a place for?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I was there three or four years, and so
I heard about Melbourne and then I heard I heard
that Melbourne that for the money was if I trotted.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
To me, then was up before you went overseas.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So no, I went to So I went to Japan
first a little bit there, and I went to Hong Kong,
and I actually got to Fda from Hong Kong.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
And now he gets deported.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I just actually got to Farida from Hong Kong.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I love this story. So I was in Japan first,
came back to players, wasn't making very much money, and
I had started going to Melbourne back and forth, and
then Hong Kong came up. And Hong Kong, I'm not
sure if you've been or not. Great city. So lank
my Phonele's course on a hill and it's a lot
of all bankers from like England and stuff, more than
you know their own nationality. So they've alto money to

(08:07):
spend and it's just hostessing. So you go there, sit
down and they pay your time to drinks and so forth.
And the money there was so good. But because these
clubs weren't really legal so to speak with westerners, there
was remember this back in the time, and there wasn't
social media. So the paper followed me around for a week.
Do you remember the Hong Kong sevens. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

(08:30):
So I ended up going to Hong Kong sevens one night.
Was always told you you're young and silly, you get
told not to like, don't pay badly.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Up.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I got on the bar at the Aussie bar in
a green mikini, fake boobs the song you know that song,
Hey Mumbo song.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I end up on the news right, so I'm in
a lot of troup already, and then the next seven
days they followed me around seeing that was working so well.
And so then iut knock on the door and there
was media there and I was in like four pages
of the newspaper, got it scored to Therefore God, yes,
I asked leave, was getting talked to. I haven't been

(09:09):
back since. I'd like to go though.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
So then so then after that you went for Melbourne. Yeah,
that's why were you just over Gold Coast? You know
what it was?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think as you're older, Melbourne was exciting. It was
like new people. If you're only been a Gold Coast
and all we've been around is surfy people, so forth,
multiculture isn't really there. So you go to Melbourne and
people different races and culture and food. I fell in
love with it in the NightLive and no one knew me,

(09:40):
so it kind of gave me a reinvention to go again.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
That man is, so where did you go in Melbourne?
Where did you stop? At Men's Gallery?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
The big one it is and toil this day, they've
still a I brought the toilet for a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Again.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, what a photo my stool above the toilet out
the way. I was like, oh, wow, I don't really good.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
They're a bad things. Listen to a photo me there?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So you're performing at Melbourne. Must have got to know
some people in Melbourne. I did, Yes, can imagine? Yeah,
I did.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, Melbourne was great, good and bad Melbourne. I you know,
the good good is obviously the money and you know
the last star, the fovor.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think the low for me was you may have
heard about the shooting, so I was out.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
There that you were there for that.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, so there's the loads you see in in the
industry against that when you're involving yourself in.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
How was that for you? It was emotionally?

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Uh yeah, so when up hospital obviously happening with the
girls and stuff, so that was yeah, that was a
bit of hard time because it could have been any
one of us, you know what I mean, And it
made a real spotlight.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
On it's easy to think this is all triven so
fun rather without seeing there's the other factors that played.
They could be you know, the danger guest so to speak.
But you know, us women sometimes when we were younger,
a bit silly and do.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You think with the and will that a lot of
the clientele that comes in there, a lot of the
young strippers engage too much with some of the certain
clientele that come in there.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's like that want to be by like a girl
type thing in a way like that's never been really
my thing, but I see it a lot with these
girls now, and especially the drug world and stuff as
well as that you know in both minds right now
and stripping people just doing services swaps of that, which
just baffles me. So I kind of get I guess
for them, it gives them bit of validation before validation

(11:36):
have these people in their lives, so I think in
some way that's their journey of you know, having some
connection or something. So, but it definitely is a I
guess the thing in a way that people are also
most of them got money so they're the ones who
are paying your lot to couch, aren't they? All right?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
If we went into stripping, tell me the low points
of stripping, what would be the low.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Post the low point of stripting. Gosh, low points of
stripping would be the days you're not making any money
and other people are long hours. I still work at
Men's Gallery till nine am sometimes just what time you start?
Like seven pm?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, that's a ten hours to eleven hour shift.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, longer fourteens And I literally what why so long?
Because I was so driven to make money and I
would not leave and I want so I've made money.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay, all right, okay, So if you're working, say we're
going back to now, when you're working at Men's Gallery,
what was your goal to make in that night?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
What would you want to make?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's a thousand and nights that would be my goal.
And that's back a long time ago as well. So
I would just stay and stay and stay. So it
was I guess that mentality is like this. So but
then there's days you didn't make that, so you'd feel
so I guess that was the low points.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Of But it gets a lot low points because I
know some strippers in the past have told me that
because you don't make what you want, then you become
a bit not it's like a desperate plea. You look
out and you think, oh, okay, so i'll do I'll
do the extras for this, or I'll try and get
this now from that kind of clientele.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Is it desperate times when you're noting that money.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I think what was saying before that I want to
need to do the industry. If you're needing to the industry, absolutely,
because you are. You got bills to pay all those
things as well, so you know, it's quite easily to
be lived on a garden pass, so to speak, because
if you're not making that great money. But also you
put out those desperate vibes. If you're not making money,
you're going to put that out when you get back.

(13:26):
So with that, definitely, I definitely feel like, you know,
there's more temptation to cross boundaries, so to speak. But yeah,
I guess that pro the loads really big goes with
things and the late nights.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
What's the worst you've ever made money? Oh? Nothing? So
they did? Actually I know right?

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Actually worth yes exactly gery, Yeah, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or something.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
You wouldn't always make money, and so I think that
everyone thinks you always make money. You're not always to
make money. But again, like we're saying for is how
you put yourself out there. People pick up on your
vibes as well, so you're acting desperate. You know, you're
a male, you're probably smelling them all away, like you know, if.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Someone we have attempted to go down my path yourself.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Look, I think that that's probably where I crossed into
this industry as well, because I realized, you know, there
are you know, extra to make money form and so forth.
But it's definitely temptations always going to be there with
all that way. But I guess in the way as well,
you know, you're dancing for ten minutes or so forth,
you might get someone longer or something which you shouldn't
be doing. So then you are undercutting yourself and other people.

(14:40):
And that's what happens now. So I guess that's just
the way the world is of people wanting to Did.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You prefer doing private or did you like to do
on stage? I loved on stage? That was That's that's
the for I.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Always feel like when I've seen, like I've been in
tip clubs that the girls on stage. Maybe it's just
the place I've been, but they don't really like to
getting into it and.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Coach that a way too far.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I see that the girls are dancing and there's
no one doing the tipping dollars or nothing, and it
looks like, oh my god, they're doing all this for
ten to fifty minutes and they're geting nothing.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yes, So I went to I'm a place in Sydney
at the other day called Seton's Playhouse. Yeah, like a
Tuesday are working there. I went there, God, nothing is
I'm like, it was quite. I was very quiet and
I saw the girls and I was making any money
on stage. May it confused me that no one's making money.

(15:36):
So I don't know, Like I think it's all behind
closed towards rather than on performance.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
There's a lot of places now in Sydney like Sefton
used to be a big place back in the day
where but now there's these little places open pubs now
do it do it too?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And so you and you know, I think it's people
prefer bribe intimacy, you know, intimate gatherings like like a
lot of hotel things and so forth. That's so much
more popper now than ship clubs.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know, do you do private parties when you were shipper?
Did you do prob? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, private party plus all the indie stuff in the
heats better and people get better for money, you can
relax more as the dancer, So I can see why
that's more prevalent and you know, popular now than the
club and so forth.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So how long did you do Melbourne for?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So I had an apartment there for about six years,
literally one hundred minutes away from the club. So I
was doing that two weeks on and then two weeks
back on the Gold Coasting that. Yes, I was slimb
back and forth. So I've always had that transient life
of intert like flying in and out.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Which one made the best money, go Coast Melbourne by bar?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, I understand. So that's why I loved it down there.
But also remember who you client on Melbourne? Yes, people
come in there.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, I think tourists and like yeah exactlyty.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Players and haven't got the money to spend.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, And you know when I was I guess kind
of it in a way, like you know, the people
who were coming in who did have money, if you know,
if underworld, or people who were going through backdoors so
you didn't know who they were and so forth.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So yeah, any stalkers.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
And while you've been doing that.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Not with that industry. I talked to you myself joking.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
So what would you say now to anyone who wants
to be stripped? You think it's Do you think it's
still exactly like it was when you started?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
No, I think I think the day and age with
being started to do kind of out of reaching has gone.
I think now you're got your only fans or your Instagram,
you know, I like to put instant gratification. Now the
instant gratification is literally on everyone's phone and accessible. That
whole out of reach thing is kind of gone. Whereas
that stripper before used to come you know, you go

(17:42):
there and be exciting, and you know that that would
be it. Now, so you kind of get your only
fans who kind of book your girls or listen to that.
I think it's lost it's appeal. I don't think the
money is the same. Would I say do it? I
would say don't do it. Your only income and I
would say don't put all the eggs into one basket.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
That's what I would say.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, you know that you never wanted to work at
Hollywood because you work the plays. Yeah, Kellywood did not
interest you.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I know because I think it. But there two men's gallery.
I don't know why I didn't go back that way
to Hollywood. I had different vibes of different places. So
I did try that bar twenty and so for golfing.
Hated it.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So now you've come back. Your whole family knew that
you were doing it in Melbourne yet, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they were okay with her.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Look let's fine. We used the word fine. Lucy didn't
dry fine. Look my brother was, you know, in the
police force, so he knew what I was doing. It
wasn't okay with it, but you know, still supportive enough
of I do remember one time I was at circus
and that was getting raided and he gave you a

(18:45):
quick heads up that was what happened, just in case
I was there. So he was Whilst he didn't agree
with my job and people was around, he was still
supportive enough. Yeah, helped me kinding away. But my family
and themselves say, we're not really okay with it. But
they also they could see that it wasn't destroying me
in a way that was too negative.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, good friends though, what you were doing? Yeah, so friendship.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
By then I had a couple of other she's my friends,
dick bound boyfriends on the way, they knew the pattern,
let's be honest, tattooed, treat you bad, red flag, you know,
chick chicken ticks. But yes, feeling the way, and there
was obviously been you know, you can't really work nights
if the other person's not like, it just.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Doesn't work because I do only job you had was that?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, So I did chocolate, actually did do?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I just did?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I know right, I've did beauty therapy, I've done makeup,
I've done the brismo pieces. So I have got you
other things.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So this is all while you were stripping.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, yeah, but nothing excited me as much.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So when did you get out of stripping? When?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
When did you feel like that you needed to stop?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I needed all told Okay, who told you?

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I know, right, don't exactly what didn't work out?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So this was in two thousand, No, and I was
working for the clubs at the time, and I went
to summer field days and I met a DJ and
spent a week with him up here like Melos whilst
he was playing. A week they went to Minister Sound
to watch him play, and a week later then he
moved me to Sweden. I know, so very fast.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So you were you were actually dating him, or when
you say you were, you were with him at the start,
do you know what you were doing? Yeah, so that's
how we met. Like I was, I was taking the
DJs around and stuff. That was kind of my primo job.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
So yeah, after a week of that, we went to
Ministry Sound and I watch him playvor there and a week
later than he moved me to Sweden.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
You made them pressure on him.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
What weeks already find around the world.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, so I moved to Sweden and obviously that was
no good thing is I don't know much about Swedish people,
but you look Swedish, I know, but they are very tame.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So I got cold, calm my farm a lot.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
But yeah, it was, you know it was I didn't
chance at all while so I was with him, obviously,
so I was told I didn't know was allowed to
Well he actually told you, yeah, yeah that was a
no go, And you said, no, you are right.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
What made you see that's that's weird that you've only
known him for a week, so you were willing to
give up?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Wow, I think in a way, I felt finally that
I found someone who was, let's do this together, the
type of thing. Whereas in the past the people have
dated have it been like, you know, happy to you
know the nighttime, work together, and they're like, you're making
money and so forth. So it was kind of a
bit different, whereas I finally met someone who was probably
making more money than me, and so therefore it was

(21:36):
a different role.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Reversal type relationship.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yes, So how long did that last till you say
that I've had nothing.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
To get back on stage?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I was proving with him for eighteen months, really grateful.
Great man got to go around the world and watch
in DJ and so for amazing until I learned how
to read and write and talk Swedish and found out
that he had a ex fiance the whole time in Sweden.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
For me in another house. Oh wow, I know.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
So when I found that out, that was quite so.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
He was always around other people talking in Swedish and all.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Like, yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
And then I started to learn, so I wanted to learn.
You know, my plan was to stay forever and I
can now I can read, write, and speak.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
But if you're going around with him to all these DJs,
not all of them.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
So sometimes he'd go for like we'd go to Miami
for like four days and come back the other days
he would go to Rush or something, but then stay
two yorks to days or something.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
But wouldn't he be always photographed?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
You can remember back in these days, it's not as prevalent,
and some of these like he was very private. I
wonder why so something that aren't putting their laugh on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like I am.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, because everyone knew about it. It was you know,
it's kind of the scene.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
You know what I asked you at the time, like
who you are?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, everyone knew about it.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Likely his friends knew.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
They were keeping quiet for him.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
They were the.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Broke, over run the brain wrongs, wrong with.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
You guys, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
So yeah, that was after eighteen months, and then that
ended and I went to UK and I was having
itching anyway, So I was missing making my own money.
You know. I was doing little bits of makeup and
stuff over there, but not the same amount of money
I was making before, so I had it anyway. So
when I got to England, England again London, of course,

(23:24):
rhino walk straight in. Oh like it didn't issue straight
away and it was. I was for a week, staying
for longer. But yeah, that's what kicked me step back.
I've read there for about three months, but that's what
time to put me back into. Yeah, yeah, was it?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Did you enjoy it over there?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I hated the cold, it's worse than here, but no,
I did enjoy it there. Year was differently, where do
you reckon?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
The best place is that you've stripped? Where's wiz? Oh?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
The best place sounds.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Like it was fucking overseas in Japan or something.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I like Melbourne. Japan is crazy, absolutely insane. They are
over there. They've got some crazy stuff they were over there.
I'm not sure how much you know about the sex
industry or whatever over there, but they've got some crazy
things they do, Like, you know, to sell the panties
in the vending machines, Yeah, yeah, panties in the vending machines.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Use panies, yeah, back off, used panies in the slop
in the machines and you can pay for it.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
What the fu yes, I know. So there's a different dynamic.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
So the girl takes it off, puts it in for sale. Yeah,
and you come to a slot machine.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Getting very shocked by this.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know girls are do this or only fans at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Okay, that's the only funds. That's a bit weird. You know,
you get the wados to buy put it in any
machines and the machine.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah so you can like buy, maam, but I'll see.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Selling the vendor machines.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Ill.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
It's very crazy over there. No, you wouldn't expect it.
You're expect to be quite subjube. But no, I enjoyed that.
It was one of my favorite places to go. Hong
Kong was great because the nightlife and stuff was fun there.
But yeah, guess guess best money I would say it
would be Spirit runout London and Melbourne, no gathering.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, so when when was it that you just went
You know what, now you're saying you've had enough of stripping.
Now you're saying to yourself you're over stripping or you're
over stripping, and you still doing it sometimes a little bit.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
That's how I went to Seventh play House. Oh that's
why I was. I went to have a little seavers.
I thought, am I going to stage y? And I
was like, am I joined? I do enjoy dancings. I
actually missed that performance since you've done oh gosh on
stage or like just in general dance every morning, So

(25:41):
the last one would have been yeah, quite a Yeah,
it would have been spent rhino, yeah, feet and do it. Yeah, definitely,
because I didn't stop dancing. The only reason I stopped
dancing was so I felt pregnant. Yeah, and I actually
danced until I seventeen weeks pregnant, really had a flat stomach.
I was just very lucky you were on stage dancing

(26:01):
seventeen weeks flat stomach. No one knew it's are you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Do you feel your baby moving inside?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
So I think I have one of those percents backwards whatever.
But yeah, I didn't choose to stop dancing like so
to speak, It's kind of happened.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
So I think it's one of.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Those things also where when things are taken away from
your control is different to you making that choice.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
So you are definitely trying to make a comeback.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, I think what I'm doing now, I think is
definitely more lucrative and more business minded, but I do
like to field up. You know, where else can I
make money?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Where else can I surely think.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You go back to Melbourne if you did do it,
Like if you've saying money, Melbourne's the place where you
make good money.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, look around around.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So before we go on talking about what you're doing now,
you know, I mean going from stripping to another adventure,
I just want to bring up something that you know
you told me about and you know, I thought I
touched base on it about your brother Damien. Now, like
for those who don't know who your brother is, Damien,
he was the guy who was actually shot while responding

(27:11):
to an arm robbery on the Gold Coast. Okay, so
were you overseas when this happened.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, so I was in England and my daughter was
three weeks old, so I flew they flew me back
for that obviously. I think I told you last week
was the anniverse. Yeah, that's why I was down. You've
been down here. I like to do every year. I
like to do my own kind of speaking, like just
remember it. So that's kind of changed with the dynamic

(27:39):
of things as well.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Everything how did you feel when you got the phone
call from Was it like it felt like it wasn't
real like it was.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
You can propalate some things in your life, that is
the things you remember. It's funny thing little things to remember.
I remember you in the phone call. I know exactly
where I was. I was at a bakery in England
and I got told of being shot and I was like, okay,
I was just know how here he is?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And he at the phone.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
It was almost like ignorance and avoidance. I had no
idea where had been shot, and it asked nothing at all.
It's like I just And it wasn't until I went
back for the bakery that the police came to the
house and grabbed me and flew me home. I still
had no idea on the plane where.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
He was shot and how about it was.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
So I got off the plane and they'd stopped the
plane and they pulled me off and they told me
his workmate told me. I was like, I had no idea,
like it just avoidance. Yeah, a bit of a challenging time, but.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, how close were you?

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Pretty close? So no, we did all the you know,
Indiani balls together and stuff like he sways take me
whilst my parents away and stuff, you know, keep me
out of trouble. Yeah, so we were pretty close. But
it's one of those things I think, even like going
forward now, like the say about stuff is that you know,
that's why I love my life, love it because I'm
grateful I've outlived him, and you know, I think he's

(28:58):
better human I am. He should have not been gone,
you know, if anyone was to be, it should have
been me in that regard. So I lived my life,
love my life.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
But why do you think that that? Why did you
say that?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think it's a better human me, you know, like
you know, his purpose in life was actually saving people,
and you know, I think that something may be in
my life with questionable.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
But then again, you can turn around and say that
just because you're doing stripping or whatever, you could be
saving someone's life by the fact that that they're on
the depression and they're coming in to see you and
you make them happy.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
You and I probably get that. But a lot of
people are still judgmental about this whole industry. A lot
I get a lot of still get a lot of
hate and stuff in my inboxes, quite a lots of appointment.
Now I have I have keywords that I put in
that blocks out messages. You know, much hate that is this?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, but people people in.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
The jealous of you know, if you're doing well, or
they don't like that you're what you're doing, or it's religious,
or is this or there's some.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Reason, you know, how do you deal with that?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I blocked all the things out anyway, But now I think,
as I've got better more self about it is that
last year is when I came out publicly about what
I was doing. Before I always hid my face. I
didn't tell anyone. And I made the decision to come
out publicly last year because I thought, if I own
my shit, then you can't say it to me, okay.

(30:18):
And it's been the best thing I've ever done in
regards for that, because I'm like, here, I am this,
what I'm doing is who I am. If you put
a problem with it, that's on you rather than someone
coming at me, Oh I heard you doing this, Yeah
I am so owing it to me has been the
best thing I've ever done.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
My question is why why did you go down the
escort thing?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Point? Oh gosh? I hat two reasons. One was I
was in a relationship the time, but he was cheating
on me. And when I found out he actually had
no sex adiction and I didn't know about it, and
he was seeing all these escorts and so forth, I
went to counseling with him and his doctor and started
research into sex addiction. So on my own, I actually

(30:59):
went to the broth on myself because I was like,
I want to see what the hell these women have
I have. And it was the most understanding, completely think
of his eye break up ever because I got what
it was. It wasn't about going and falling in love
or that. It was about instant gratification, no complication, you leave,

(31:20):
there's no drama and there's nothing you know, you're not
bickering with the partner whatever. It was an instant gratification
thing that he would need it. I guess some things
that are you know, withhe his drugs out or sex,
whatever we're all into. There is something normally that we've
got that instant gratification, and his was the sex. And
even though I was giving leaves of it, you get

(31:41):
a morning night still. So I went in there for
that reason to find out and it was that's all
kind of like interests me a bit. And one of
the managers said to me, have you thought about working here?
And I was like, you make good money here and
I was like.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yes, yes, and you what did you say when you
came in?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
What were you doing?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I was pretty upsets all the time because I was
trying to navigate what did this happen? Yeah, And so
I explained the whole situation of what that is.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Was it actually the brothel he went to? I don't know, okay,
and I don't want to know.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
So from that and I always said him as well,
I said, if he's ever been there, don't tell me.
I don't don't need to know. So there was that reason,
I guess. And also we've been completely honest. I had
so I've got two gorgeous kids, very very grateful after
murder my brother, even though I was like three weeks
model was three weeks old, I had no sex ry.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It was gone.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
I got no I had no interest in sex. I
don't know if it was the PTSD or if it
was trauma or whatever, but it had no interest in
sex for ages, and then all of a sudden, when
I met this new guy, I got it back again.
And then for me. It was like, you know what,
you've taken that power away from me by having these
you know what, why can't I have all that as well? So,
you know, in a way, it became a bit of

(32:59):
a not a chip with tap, but became a bit
of a bit of a just a path is to
go down and see if I really had lost my sex,
right or if I was still sexual. But also I
still felt validated, and that was a big thing for me.
Him cheated me, other women made me feel like I
wasn't enough, hence my tatter you are enough. I wasn't enough.

(33:20):
So in a way, the sex industry gave me that feeling.
You know, people want to hang out and you want
to see you, whereas you know, when you've broken and
someone cheats on you or whatever, you feel worthless.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So you said something before, but you gave him a
lot of sex, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Emphasis on a lot. By the way, case he's hearing this,
a lot.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
You got a lot of sex out of me.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I want some money.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Words later, But did you change the way you had
sex when you started in the industry or the way
you performed you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
The way you play the round?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Did it change, Well, not really because I was I
was always into I guess performing for you know, known
to me, he's going for this brothels, he's getting that
experience anyway, he's encouraging me to be like that. So
I'm like, you know, outfits and all that stuff. So
he was asking for this, yeah, but I was Anyways,
I loved it, so I was like, yay, little don't

(34:20):
know that I was feeding his addiction more so. So
I guess when you say, did it change absolutely when
you first start a place like that, because it's not normal,
so to speak, So it did change in I guess
in a way.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Does it dawn things? Have?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Your first client?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Absolutely? I reckon, I can you still remember that first client?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I was panicked.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yes, did you look at him? I was like, how
did you? How did you do your first Like I'm
not meaning how did you do? M how did you?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
How did you?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
But how did you perform knowing that this is a
client and not somebody that you're you've got feelings?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
So I think the difference is that if you're working
in a broth or so so sweet, you've got people
around you to kind of help me navigate that in
a way so different from you and I. You know,
you need to be sex attracted to someone has clearly,
you know, females not really you can use lube and
stuff really well, you know, your dick's not really hard
on it if you're not attracted to someone yet.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
But surely, but surely it'd be the same for female.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
No, that's loube and things like that as well. So
it's like, really want to say that, absolutely, really no, absolutely,
So women can have sex without being sexually attracted to
someone physically because we can use things to help out,
whereas men you obviously have to be or you need
your vigrains and so forth. But you know what I mean.

(35:43):
So it's a little bit easier for females than is
the men to be able to do it that way.
Headspace wise, it depends on where you're at. So I
think for me, I had been through from my brother
all those things that I had was in a different
headspace of like I don't know, not anger towards the
world or people, but I hated men. I hated the

(36:04):
hated the world.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Said, man, how could you let a man touch you them?
I'm working a brothel.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Because I was taking them from their money. So for
me back then, it was like, well, you know what,
you can list give me money, Michael.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's how I was angry about.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I was angry about if you're going to cheat on
me in all those things as a man, lest give
me money. So I was very angry, and I think
that had to do with my brother because I angry
at the world about that I thought was unfair and unjust,
and I thought being cheated and was unfair and unjust.
So I had a lot of that going on. So
I think that's what navigated me through those parts of
her and then until so I was do enjoying it

(36:38):
the time for that reason, until then I started to
change my mindset towards the world and life and love
myself more again in a way that I went from
having to needing to do to wanting to do it,
and that my mindset now is completely change. Between that and.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That, you ever said no to a client?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yes, yeah, gosh yeah, and a brothel yes yes. So
normally speaking, you you can and can't in a way,
That's why I don't really advocate.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
But why did you say? What's turned you off?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Look, where do we start? Not a bounce and not tattoed,
not a red flag.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's a joke. By the way.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
No, if people speak to respect, which you straight away,
I don't like that. So, like I said, in those circumstances,
I've got the upper hand. So if you speak really
to me or something like, I can say no to that.
But generally speaking, I'm not sure how much you know
about broth or work. You can't really say no in brothels.
Girls who are working there, they're lining up behind the
door and they get picked. So that's why I don't

(37:35):
do broth to work at all anymore, because I think
you should be able to time, your own body, be
able to do. But definitely, I've been in rooms where
I've ended bookings absolutely, you know, like I've had some
what's the worst.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Experience you've Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I think if you say no to someone to do
something to and they do it anyway, that's that's an
immediate no, no disrespect as a walk out type thing.
And I think people try and as humans trying and
push boundaries to each person. They think you're nice and
try and push and push and push. Yes, that's not
all Sunshine Raven. It's like someone it's good, someone's bad.
I've had I only do private work now in saying that,

(38:11):
I've had some bad experience in private work too.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
So see with the private work, how would you know
who's coming to see just to see them?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
So with private work, you know, I've got true call
on my phone, so that's you know, that screened everyone's
phone numbers and stuff as well. That's only half of it. Obviously,
I'm pretty good now navigating text message and so forth,
how people are straight away and the site, so you
know skarlet I advertise through it comes through their website
to my phones. Anyway, I can navigate a little bit

(38:39):
what they're saying. But then you know I will do
things like where that you've got to pay deposits or
you can see their license. But again that's not fail
for it. I've had two very bad experiences, one in
Sydney and one on the Gold Coast.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
What happens.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
One in Sydney here I was in a hotel in
the city. And again this is where I say to girls,
when you get to that third or four day of
working and you're tired, you shut down a little bit,
you send this is around you. You got to be
a bit more on the ball. And I had an
overnight booking and the guy came and he paid me

(39:13):
the he paid me the whole deposit and screens to send.
It was through to me because I'm a little bit tired.
When I let him the door, I didn't lock the door.
And when I when he was so about going straight
in the bedroom and for an overnight, my open nights,
you know, quite expensive and normally it's like for dinner,
I hang out, so aspect, he was adam about being
in the room and like a sense that there was

(39:33):
he was kept looking around and then he ran, he said,
I've got to go downstairs my car. And when he left,
it's when I realized that something else followed him into
the room. And yeah, and then yeah, and then the
amount that he put into my account was a dummy.
It was it was a fake thing. So yeah, but
that's that's on me because.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I wasn't how much did you get robbed for?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So it was eight k were open and then the
got like my bags, all my cash nights before you
know everything.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So what happens there? Do you do? You tell the
hotel door? You quiet?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
What you do to be honest with everything? You don't
because some places if you're renting when you're not should
be doing it from there. So some I feel like
you've got to have a bit of ink nedo with something,
you know, but.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Surely you've had around and say I've brought this guy
back and then and then they robbed me.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah you can away, but then you go down the
garden path of you know, you don't know. I know that,
and sometimes work independently, you have to a bit careful
with that. But in saying that, like obviously with the
phone numbers and stuff, I put up, you know, a
warning so some other girls can see. But I said,
nothing is that. You know, I've put three friends you know,
nothing failed free fe from like ten phones anyway, you know,

(40:41):
So it is yeah, yeah, what happened in Melbourne Gold Coast.
That was a pretty bad one. That was in October
last year. I'm glad happened to me and not anyone
else because I'm resilient. I went to the booking it was,
attacks didn't drop me off where he said it was.
And because I was on my phone instead of looking

(41:03):
street freshuld have done it. I'm not a lot smarter
and I got there. He's like, it's not here. The
guy told me where it was one hundred meters ahead.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I went in there.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
You know, at that moment when you walk in someone
you know something's not right. I walked in there and
there was one light in the corner, no furniture anywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And I'm like buck, and I went fight or flight.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I knew. I knew that either run or I stay. Lisa,
I'm old enough I can deal with it, so I
just dealt with it whatever. That was a three hour booking,
so you know, Leasey paid me though, so you know,
never happened happened. You know. I was like, you know,
get done and get out, so to speak. So and
then by the time I did get out together police
for that. When they got there, they it was abandoned house,

(41:46):
so he wasn't no to be seen. Yeah, but like
I said, luckily that happened to me and not someone younger.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
This is part of my job, you know, like off.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
No, I took a couple weeks off after that, but
I was more grateful that it happened to me and
not to anyone else. I know, I could were it
better than a younger girls, and that would have traumatized
me more. One of my younger girlfriends whatever dealing with it?
So yeah, wow, what's the worst nationality you've ever Indian?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Everyone says that. Everybody says that.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I swear they don't have the difference between love it
vagina and anas. They are two different places the matter.
We tell them no aners and they'll still act like
a vagina. I said, no, we're not stupid. Yes, anyways,
I actually don't see Indians, be honest.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
What's the what's the most you've ever made?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Escort?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Oh gosh, Look in my overseas minds are great. Somos
is a good you know, I can go overseas and
I got thirty k or something, So that's no plus
expense and stuff, so you know they're my problem. Are
better ones and that's where my Yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Long for that?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
A couple of days?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
So where was that to?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
So done Miami and I've done Laka for three days
or something like that, plus business class flights as well.
I'm not flying economy.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Wow, yeah, rob me through that kind of schedule.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Then if you're going over to Miami for three days,
but that's okay, what's the schedule?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Can he get whatever he wants from you?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
What's the no I think you couldn't trying to appeal
to a high clientele so to speak. The more the
more you appeels that way, almost better clients you get
and the less you need to do. So I have
a lot of clients, even here in Sydney and so forth.
I don't have sex with company.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah it's a dinner more than dinner.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Why do you think they do that?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
It's for them they get to have a you know,
half girl, gets on the arm, get the company. You know,
I can hold a conversation so to speak. And they
still get that without crossing boundaries. And that's what I
found a lot with a lot of men. Some people
don't actually want to have sex. They don't want to
in their partners. They want to think they do and
for the last part point and it givesn't that kind

(43:59):
of excitement event and then it stops at that and
that for them is there get off, so to speak.
And that's what I've a lot of older men, they've
got their marriages might begin at stale. They don't want
to in their wives, but there was nothing that excitement
so or something, you know. So that's what I find
is that. So yeah, a lot of my clients that
are you know, dinners and so forth overseas and stuff.

(44:19):
They're always tailored personally to the person. But straight away
if if someone said to me, like, oh, we're gonna
for like twenty four hours, I'll be like in your dreams,
But no, it's it's you know, it's it's normally dinner.
It's you know, sight saying this intimacy. But everything's spelt

(44:39):
out very much beforehand, like what's going to be involved
without or not?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
What's the shortest you've ever had someone come into you
and to like book you and then it was just
finished them over and like you know, yes, it was
a finished before I even got it.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, you know, everyone said try if they haven't done
it before, Like you know, I'm not gonna asking you
if you have or not whatever, but if you haven't
done it before, you might be nervous. And that can
go two ways, you know, can be over to start
or not at all, and some of you will get
nervous cold feet some people.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, intimidates a lot of girls. You can. I don't
think I do.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Some people. It's actually quite funny is the younger ones
that say I do, And I'm surprised by that foundness.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
But because you're because you're probably what would you say, yeah,
would you say you're a milk?

Speaker 3 (45:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You hate that one.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Years old.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I think you're in a way like I'm probably more
straight up nowhere. I guess girls their ages aren't, you know. Yeah,
And I'm very honest open when people are saying me
sex is easy to talk about and easy to do,
so to speak that there's nothing to do and there's
nothing sex is and dirty. So I'm so there's a
conversations I can have with a client. It's different to
what they can have with their partners. So I go

(45:53):
straight and say, look, do you like this, this, this
and this, and like.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
What you ask for? What I asked for? It depends
are like what I put it this way?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Do they come into the room now they see you
like they they would get intimidated by by it.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Normally it's the chief funk people like, you know, it's
not boo, that's what it is. It's a boop, you know,
Like that's normally that first stuff. I guess that people
don't really ask for too much themselves.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
What's the most things you get? Like I know you're
doing the full service and like that.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, but like, is there anything that out there?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
They just go okay, yeah, you know you've got your
normal clients ol, And I say, no, everyone's normal.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Sex is normal.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
But you get a normal clients oele, which you know,
your basic service so to speak. But then the overstepping
of that as people with kinks, So you'd be surprised
at people's kinks. There are a lot of men out
there who want to be pegged a lot more than
you think. So I'm actually surprised for the last year
or two how much I get asked for that. Really, yes,

(46:58):
And I'm talking of like you know, and do you
bodybuilder type?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Look, I used to do a lot back back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I don't as much anymore now that I'm doing more
the higher and stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah. Yeah, Have you been asked to do anything out
of the ordinary when you've got by climb?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I guess, well, you know, describe about the ordinary? No,
what would you what would you call out the ordinary?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Okay, So what I'm saying is have they got the
you say, you've got kinky males or like that, because
I've had a lot of you know, fetishes, people who've
worked in fetish and all like that. You know, do
they say just spank me or do they say just
you know? Can you can I tell you off? Can
I fucking walk like a dog?

Speaker 1 (47:39):
And yeah? Is anything like that?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, I've got I've got a guy down here in
and he wouldn't have had sex. He's been acquient about
four years. I literally just get paid to use my
stiletto and on his balls.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Your stilettos on his balls? But do what like that?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Which which bit the it's a bit like pain?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Really?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (48:01):
For four years he's been getting done and we've never
had sex, nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
But what does that? Dude?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Well, everyone's different. Everyone's sexual banditsies are different, like everyone
has their different kinks of what turns them on.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So are you there? Are you naked with him when
you're doing this? Or no?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
No, no, I'm always wearing a dress and letters two
hours two hours and boxing for two hour.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
He buys me in this letter around their children even better?
Oh my, how m was she charged for that?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
That's so that's a role play.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
So a role player you've brought there with three or
four k's with that? Yeah, three or four k's.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
The slamming on the balls with oh my god, wow.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, So it's a different said, it's a different genre,
and it's not saying to it all the time. So
I'm you know, I'm doing more of my other stuff now.
But it's been like a progress along the way to
kind of get to that that way.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Is there ever a point where you've just gone, I've
had enough now?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I think, yeah, I think that's why I went more
independently and more seeking more my longer and my dinner
clients and so forth, because it does get not monotonous,
but it does get you know, there's only so many
times you hear the same thing that it can be
a bit annoying. Now I love the fact that I
can meet diferent people and you know, have connection with
other people and have a bit of a life, because.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Personally I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
So it's for that reason I kind of still love it.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The oldest guy you've evern't slept with.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Look from before about doing a service. So back in
the Bross days, I used to have two really good
clients and one was from the older guy who wasn't
like wheels old and it's his care is to put
him on the bed right. But you know, if it
wasn't for me or any other girls. He wouldn't be
able to have serious And isn't that paid for that stuff?

(49:46):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I used to come in his wheelchair and his care
and put him on the bed, and that care is
way for until you've finish.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, but that's like but then that's all through the
ndos and stuff, so they're actually paying for that service.
So then in a way, it's like saying for like
you're giving a service that is needed in a way.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Oh my god, I've never heard that.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yes, I guess my other one I had was great
that he's autistic. I was a great It's one of
my favorite ever clients. He is from when a very
very very very first started on the Gold Coast. I
used to wear a wonder Woman outfit and I said,
jump on the bed and pull open the wonder Woman
thing and I say.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Oh, watch out, it's wonder Woman.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And he used to make me repeat for like an
hour and repeat and it was fun. It was like
just a strip down and I have a boom on
this fun and so those other things I love because
I'm like that guy would never have that interaction normally.
They're the kind of things in a way in this
industry is good for it.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
If you were to do an or later, what do
you charge for that?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It starts and all night, and I take all night,
and it starts at a minimum five K, and that's
minimum mics for dinner and so forth, and then it
goes up from there.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
So you're so evctually he's just paying five ks to
come for dinner, hang out, but that's not overnight standard.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeahs, make me help out.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Remember say he wanted you to stay overnight.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yes, so would go up from there.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So I drivers set fear for everything because no different clients.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Fell for the person.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh yes, besides a bouncer.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So yes, in this industry, obviously it's hard to do
both sides. I guess in a way I'll answer to
answer to that question, why have ever felt for a client?
You're asking that, yes, but only smalling. He smelled amazing,
and every time he saw me, he just smelt amazing.
And I got to stage where I was enjoying.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
The yes, because you like that smell, you started to
enjoy it more.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yes, and you're still charging him, yes, But I did
get the point where I was we're going to and
that's real.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
That went that went through your mind?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Did you or did you not?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I mentioned it to him and he, you know, I
just we had to pull it up then and there.
And the funny thing is between you and I and
it rose right now. I actually ran into him at
my friend's restaurant after the Gold Coast about three or
four weeks ago, just by a mistake. We walked past
each other and I was like, oh, yeah, did you.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Smell good then?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
But apart from that, and I've always kept I guess
a bit of guard, so to speak, because realistically, this
life is hard to have the other. And I'm yeah,
I've stupidly made mistake for trying to have both and
you can't. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And he put a stop to it when you.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
When I mentioned we both decided He's like, this is
getting I was like, oh, yeah, probably are right.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
So he was looking at more of the film was
going to be taken out here, Things are going to
get serious.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, you know, I guess he was coming there for that.
So there's you know.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
That, and your family knows about this too. Your family knows.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
About yes, yes, so obviously in layman term, like you know,
my kids are a bit small, but they know enough.
I actually was nervous when I got nominated for the
AT Awards.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I thought, so, what are you up for for the
adult one?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I'm up for Australia's Best Churing Escort and Australia's Best
Dinner Date Companion.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Such a wow, Look because I won the Best Podcast list.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yes, I saw this so with my with my daughter.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I was nervous about her saying, you know, she's in
the sham and stuff as well, and God bless us soul.
I flew back up to tell her, so neverus all night.
And when I told you I already know I pretady
voted for you. Oh God bless her. So yeah, well
everyone knows what I do in Layman's I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah. We talked about before about you know, situations you've
been in where you're you know, have you ever been
in something where you didn't want to be in with
the person, But have you ever feared somebody when you've
been in that room with them.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
That they could get ugly or they could be get
violent with you if you never had come across that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Look, I think I read a room little bit better
these days, but I don't know how much I can
say I do have an a bo in Melbourne against
someone okay, yeah who went too far? Yeah yeah, it
wasn't putt by me. The police at Crown actually put
on him. It's quite intense. But yeah, other than that,
I am, Yeah, I'm I've been pretty good at reading

(54:20):
a room so to speak, where a living the goal
perst is facet for recognition and stuff anyway, So I
feel like I've got a safety of all of that.
But it's never far from your mind though of something anyway.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, you have you run into anybody who's been a
client before in a situation where it's been a big
oh shit, like they've been with their partners or anything
like that.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So yes, when I was not so open about what
I did and I face for wise, i'd get nervous
myself if I was going for dinners and people recognizing me.
Now that I'm the opposite way, I don't really care.
And the best part about that is now I know
how to I just.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Have a bit of a giggle.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I giggle.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I don't text for im like, you know, hey, I'm
maybe here a you know, but yeah, I have a
bit of a giggle, you know. And they're the funny
ones so they'll text you the day it says, say
I'm I saw you last night, thanks, not saying anything
like what am I to do? I'm gonna walk come
and say like, yes, that's quite funny in those scenarios.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But yeah, it's the industry very bitchy.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I think that's you know, half you want you to win,
half of don't want you to win. Myself was very
small in this industry completely anyway. I'm not sure if
you know much about them. There's lots of WhatsApps groups
and stuff for jobs of both so forth. I'm not
lad in any of them. I'm not quite sure what
I'm not allowed. Yeah, I know from them, No, I
just don't get don't get invite. So I think some

(55:36):
of us girls too clicky. So and that's fine. I
like to try and work by myself anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
But what we can buy yourself anyway privately, you wouldn't
need to be an able.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
To know exactly, so you don't really need that whole
other side of it anyway. And I think that's where
the difference comes in. I guess of saying that before,
like people they're jealous of this or that well they
think you're doing better than you are or any things
like that. So I think that's where that kind of
kind of comes with there. But yeah, definitely it is.
It's sad because I'm the O officer. I like to
see so I'm like, you know, if I'm making money,

(56:07):
I want you to make money, but not everyone's at
the same mindsets.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yes or you have Yes? Were you just a part
of it.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
There or you I've done a couple up on the
Gold Coach in the mansion things up there, I've done them,
and I've done other ones private parties where you know.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I guess is that where you're invited down by the owner.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're kind of you know, like I said,
sex is fun and not to boo. So in a
way it kind of opens up a different world of
like seeing how everyone interacts, don't even do anything, can
just be there or nothing that. Yeah, I've done a
few of them, which I get invited a lost by
clients now, but I don't go because.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Okay, so you say you got invited by the owner
of the place, is he paying you to go there? Yes,
so you're paid. So even if you do have sex
with somebody, you're paid.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah you can.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
But then there's other ones you can go to invited
to go, you know, and there's once I've gone this
my own is for pleasure, No, not for any other reason.
Hot tip, do not go as a female on your own.
The one the first moment with my own, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
A good idea out like go, but no, it's it's now.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I get invited by a client's a lot to go
with them, but I don't go with them because to me,
that's a little bit this is not my thing.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
What's your biggest regret?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
In what.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Life?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
In life? Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Actually left me specious with that one right now, biggest,
biggest regret, I think my biggest regret until now is
putting other people before before me and my feelings to
the point where it was is damaged and like self
sabotage myself so to speak, in a way that probably
my biggest regret is that.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Would that go for the industry your biggest regret in
the industry too, or if you got a different regret
in the industry.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
For this industry, I wish I had done it more
openly earlier.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Oh really, yeah, I would have.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I feel financial stuff, it's probably more fruitful with the
last since last year, I believe I had it on earlier.
It would have been better to come out and do
it properly that way.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
You know when you said that when you were a
stripper that you had a goal for that night and
you have to you have to make that money. Yes,
when you were in the brothel, what was your goal
for that? To make money in that?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (58:23):
There was never there was funny that because there wasn't
really any set goal so to speak. With that For
some reason, I think because I changed from when I
was stripping that was like I was just started making money.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Say, you didn't have to whustle.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
So much, And when you're in a brothel, Ah, did
you have to hustle with the other girls to get that?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
When I worked to siletos here, Oh, it's about fifty girls,
So you are hustling to get that client or so
to speak. So you are hustling, but you also know
you're making X amounts straight up, do you know what
I mean? So it's you've got already got a figure
already happening for the night. So yeah, I think that
was the difference. How many brothels have you worked there,
So I've done yeah, Celetars, Yeah, and I've done up

(59:03):
on the Gold Coast as well and Gotham in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Okay, And when was it that you went you want
to go solo?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I think when I realized through other girls that there
was money being made privately. But a lot of girls
don't want to do it because you know it has
its risks. Obviously, you know there's agency and the stuff
you can use as well, but it has its risk
as well. And I think until you become a aware
of your surroundings and be sexually aware of yourself and
what your boundaries are, because that's what about before, Like

(59:32):
it's easy to be you know something, give extra money,
don't want to do. So when you become all that
sexually aware and stuff, you become a little bit more.
I guess Abradoor and it's kind of been likething I
would never go back to, Like I'm really yeah, this
is pro.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
The bad way for me. Do you ever fake it?
Of course, Jesus, I have to ask, Look, yeah, you do.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
You have to do sometimes, Like if anyone's listening this,
I don't fake we do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Of course, some you know like it if you get
bored like on some like it's just like going on
too long or they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
No, I'm I'm pretty lucky with people, have got anywhere,
and I have good beds with people. I try and
make it fun. You know, things are fun anyway, like
fun and happy and rather have a laugh about it,
you know, Like but yeah, if they're annoying the craft
out of me, like I'm like, okay, yeah, there's there's
a routine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Let's say that. What would you just grab yourself in
one word? Oh, one word?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
We can give you two if you want to, but
but you can go. Let's get one word.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I would say transparent. I just yeah, I think what
you see is what you get with me. Now you
didn't you never used to. I used to have a
beer start up and now you don't. And now it's
what you see is what you get.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Well before we go, and I'll say thank you for coming.
And as I said before, like that if you walked in,
there's a presence about you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Okay, So how fucking big are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
They Well they're now fourteen one hundred CC's so they're
like an.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Eight h I went with the g's I actually used
and no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I'm sorry about that. So what and you're getting them redone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yes, in August, I'm going to two thousand, And what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Are they going to be then?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
We mean don't know, We don't don't know what size
they'll be till you actually you want bigger? Yeah, so
I've got fourteen hundreds. Now we're going to two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Why do you want bigger? Tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Why not? They're fucking massive?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
You knows you can't really hide them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Does clientele like that more?

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Some some doing, some don't, some know, some don't, And
I guess I guess quickly I'll say about that is
that now I'm in a stage where now, like I
know I'm not going to find love whatever, Like I'm like,
I've tried and not work with this industry and so
for me, it's like now just live my life for
me and this is what makes me happy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
So, but are you happy with them? Do you know
what I have?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I have? I have boot breed that actually they feel
like they're seesed now like since I've had them, because
you've haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
For so yeah, you use them? Yeah, Wow, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Guess that's a little bit. It's walking from all our
all of our ways.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It in a way, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Well that's that's the same thing for me, I think,
I look yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Exactly the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah yeah, Well, thank you for coming on, Haley.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
A blessing and a fucking great chat. I'm scarring for you. Yes,
it has been looked at in the in the same way.
If anyone wants a walking let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
But thank you for coming on. It was great and time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Let me you know, be transparent out there and yeah,
have a chat about it all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Thank you very much.