June 9, 2025 • 43 mins
Matt Floyd was raised in foster care and entangled in a life of crime, Floyd found redemption through boxing. Now, as a former paedophile hunter turned professional boxer, he's setting his sights on a high-profile boxing and bare-knuckle fights.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approache Production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Muscle comments and in this episode I speak to Matthew Floyd,
who went from vigilante justice to a rising star in boxing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They are pedophiles, I guess, but they didn't do anything themselves.
They'll get us to make videos of us, like getting
married or whatever. Would have to go through it. That one,
from the day on was where I created this person
that wasn't scared of anything. You can go get this
head right now. You can't get in trouble for of
course I want to do it. The only reason I
stopped it because I went to prison. It was real,
bad man, it was real gruesome torture. Is I mentally tortured.
We'll just make them think they're going to die for
(00:42):
as long as we could, you know, you make them
bury though. Engrave and I went to Brison for a
few years and I got out at an almost earty
So I spent most of my twenties in prison. I
want to fight the best in the world in boxing,
and I want to provide to myself.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So matt thanks for coming on the podcast. I really
appreciate this. Let's start off by getting to know you
and growing up if you did he goes to school
and family wise, and yeah, just take it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I went to school. I lived like with different
different places and things like that. Lived in some good
places and some bad places. I was all over the place, man,
I'll probably say it in over fucking fifty places.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Was there a good family life that you had or
was it? Was it before you went like you moved
around housing and all like that before you were ten?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
What was it like growing up? Was it good or
was it bad?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had some good, really good families men, some good
memories and stuff and some bad ones. I had this
guy that he looked after me for a good couple
of years. Bro, he was I had really good memories
with him. I wasn't in somebody he wanted to dp
me and stuff. And he had a girlfriend that didn't
like you know, because I wasn't his son. So that's
sort of why. But yeah, I had There was some
good place and some bad places. You know. It wasn't
(01:54):
I remember like quite you know a lot of good times.
Even with my mother she was quite sick. She would
have had me like all the time if she could have.
She loved me.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
She was a sick man like she didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So I had like lots of I was very close
and I just couldn't live with all the time. So
it's not like all bad. It was just good and bad,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So what about what about school and did you actually
go to school? Did you not finish school at all?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was hard to go to school because we're moving
around so much and things like that. But I would
go on and off obviously, Like when I stayed with
the good families. When I was a kid, I would
go to school every day, and then you know, when
I was with my mom or with other people, I
just you know, I wouldn't go and things like that.
In high school, I barely went to school in high school.
I actually had really good families look after me in
high school. But at that stage, I was running a
(02:37):
market and I was doing the wrong things. I wanted
to be on the streets and things like that, you know.
So yeah, I would have had better opportunities if I
stayed out of these good families.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But that was an I say.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I didn't want it, you know, like I desperately wanted
it when I was in primary school.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
What about brothers and sisters, got any Yeah, I've got.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
A brother and sister that I knew growing up for
my mum. But they're a lot older. They're like fifteen
years older than me. That's why my sister she looked
after me for a bit as well when she had
a good boyfriend. But they end up bad on the
drugs and things like that, so they couldn't look after me.
But I have another sister that I just got in
contact with in the last few years actually, So that
was from my dad's side and that and I've been
(03:13):
talking to her. She lived a different life. She was
raised by a complete different family. She had a normal upbringing. So, yeah,
tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
About when you reached the age of ten and you
were given to this family. Taught me through that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'll call them the pedophile family. And I actually got
on one of the podcasts I think I work out
things as I do this podcasts now and he's like,
when you said pedophile family, I thought you meant, like,
you know, there was ten of her mother. It wasn't.
It was just the guy and the girl. He was
like in his fifties.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
She was twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And they are pedophiles, I guess. But they didn't do
anything themselves. They'll get us to make videos. I was
the oldest kid, so they'd make us make videos us kids,
and that they had a biological daughter. I remember she
was two, but the other kids were forced to kids
like myself, and they'll just make videos of us, like
getting married or whatever, would have to go through her
and stuff. So there was more of a money thing
(04:02):
for them.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I was oldest kid there. I ran away. When
you're a kid and you're doing these things, you feel
like it's you doing it, so people will tell me
to say, oh, wasn't it. Yeah, But when you're a
kid and you feel all that shit, it doesn't go away.
So me running away, I actually felt like a cowd
I felt like I was leaving the kids behind. That
and then that sat with me for a good year
or so, and I end up with an actual fucking pedophile. Obviously,
(04:25):
I always looked for role models because I never had,
like a father role model. So this Barsca coach was
like my first probably because Barstle was my first love.
He was like a role model, and I end up
staying with him, and he was a pedophile himself. And
around the same time the pedophile family. They got done
for all the videos and things like that, and I
had a lot of build up anger and whatever from
(04:46):
running away from there. And now I'm with another pedophile,
you know. So I end up looping out and turning
on this pedophile and I left that place. And then
that was from the day onwards where I became this
because I was a very scared kid before this whole
scared of the dark, scared of go scared of bad weather,
and I just created this person that wasn't scared of anything.
I end up going to high school pretty soon after this,
(05:07):
and there are all these different locations, so this was
a different place for different kids because I never had
any friends. I was a very light loner in primary school.
And then I became this fighter that just wasn't scared
of anyone. I'd fight anyone, and I didn't like to
listen to anyone I had to teach, you know. So
I just cared this. That's where it came from, and
that's evolved into what I am today.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
How did you cope with that second family that you
went to not having any friends to talk to about
the situation?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So how did you deal with that yourself?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Back when you're a kid, you don't really talk.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, I didn't really talk about it anyway, my mum
g and you like saying was up. But I didn't
really speak about it. Man. I felt I was really embarrassed, obviously,
and and you know, I felt like a guilt because
I always felt like a coward and things like that.
So I didn't really talk about it, man, And I
never really even up until you know, in the last
(05:56):
probably few months. Man, I haven't spoke much about it.
I'll probably get more into it each time I speak,
you know, about it. But yeah, I didn't. Yeah, it
was one of them things even today, Like I can
talk about it now because I've done it so many
times now. But I don't actually go back in my mind,
I don't. I do, I guess like right now.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Really Like my thing is with the boys, like the teenagers,
I take off the street, and now I teach not
to go back. I teach the fine goals and move forward.
I'm very strong like that. I don't believe in like
going back and talk and all that sort of stuff.
You know. I believe in, you know, with all shit happens,
even as a kid. Man, I remember when all these
things were happening. I just always think, man, there's fucking
far worse happening elsewhere. You know, even as a kid,
(06:36):
if like that, like I used to think about you.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Know, you'd see pictures in school of like.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Kids starving and things like that, and I think about
shit like that. So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Don't know when you when you say like you're in
barised or like a shamed to tell anyone, did you
not want to reach out though, to a teacher or
to a friend or anybody that you knew, just to
say this is.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
How long did that go on for?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I spoke to my mum and she used to get
like friends around. I remember there was this lady that
was like a counselor, and I tried.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I tried.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It was this is very hard even today, man, I
don't really go into detail about things. I'm very embarrassed
and you know, and things like that. Yeah, it's not
something I just yeah, I sort of like kept a
lot to myself. Man.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wow, So when you run away from the second family,
where did you run to, not knowing that having any
friends or something.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Did you just stay on the streets or did you
just didn't know what you were doing. The second guy,
I wasn't a family. It was just him on his
own as a basketball coach. The second one, what happened
I ran from him. I ended up at my primary school.
I was going to start a prime at the time,
and they had shades on top of the playground. With
my go to players, I'd go stay on the shade.
I'd have my bars with me in my backpack. Back then,
there wasn't social media, so people didn't like Now, if
(07:45):
the kid did that, you'd probably catch on about three
or four days later. There was a kid who actually
I bumped into in prison when I went to prison
last and he was a year older and he must
have worked out I was saying that he told his mum.
I ended up staying with her for two weeks, and
my nanna from Adelaide, she come over and then from there,
you know, I ended up with her for a few
(08:05):
weeks and then it ended up sorting itself out.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I ended up in high school pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And this is sort of when like I was, I
liked it, you know, I want to live on the
streets and gangs and all that sort of stuff in
high so I was going backwards and forwards from home.
So I had really good family. So I had a
lot of friends in high school because I was a fighter.
Who wasn't I changed my whole appearance, I guess, and
I had friends that that good family, and I ended
up becoming with a really good athlete in high school
from environment schools an average athlete. And then my body
(08:32):
changed with me fast, and I ended up staying with
a family that they had a good athlete themselves. He
ended up playing AFL football. He was my you know,
my best friend in high school. And now you know,
I had people like that, and then I had another
matey I mentioned Imurian Stringer's mum. Their family, they were
good and even the step father. I remember he used
to pay for my basketball and things like that for
me to go.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But yeah, so do you think with.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You joining the gangs where when you were a teenager,
was that your way of dealing with all the mental
stuff that you had to deal with at a younger age.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
No, I'm still trying to work things out.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I've always wanted would be good, but.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I was trying to like be I guess bad for
the greater good, and I was just working things out,
you know. Back then, like that was all new to me,
being bad and things like that, because I was a
pretty good kid.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know, I didn't even like swearing, so it was
all new to me.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And I think I didn't like Alon having control over
me anymore and power over me. And I like, you know,
like I was end up, you know, becoming a natural leader.
I end up, you know, I would lead these games
and things like that up intil it, you know obviously
in adult life ended up so literally I felt like
I transformed overnight from primary school to high school.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Were you still living on the streets then or were
you now living with another family or bar in high school?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yes, yeah, I was on and off. I would like
I would like to stay on, you know, but that
was my choice. And I had a fan I can
go to. I had my mom still as well, who
would go on and off? And yeah, how are you
making your money? Like for back then, when I was
in primary school, I wanted to leave my mum when
she was sick. But and I always thought that the
problem was not she had I thought it was money
while she sick. I didn't understand mental illness and all that.
(10:07):
So when I was seen years old, I was buying
and selling Pokemon cards, and I used to go to
the markets, punnywell markets, I used to go to their
own and I was always smart hustler, and I made
money from that, and that evolved in the games to
the point where when I was eleven years old, I
built a few thousand dollars and I went to Thailand
and I bought all these Nintendo games back game Boy Advance,
(10:27):
because Nintendo there was always a copyright problem with PlayStation,
but I jerried on that there wasn't Nintendo. So I
went and I bought all these Nintendo games and they
looked probably they all copied games and there was no
issue in Nintendo, And yeah, I just made money from that.
Would always give the money to my mum, thinking, oh,
I can live with mom now, everything's going to be okay. Now.
Obviously it wasn't the case. But I was always smart.
(10:49):
When I was a teenager, we had a place called
Farmer Jacks, which was the shops before behind our school,
and I'd still like the six packs of gum and
the red bulls and stuff, and i'd selling at school.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I always try to be good.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
When I was bad, For example, I would still or
gooed my money and I invested into what I knew,
which was games, And as certain as I had enough money,
I would always you know, start I sold a few
hundred from Farmer Jacks, I wouldn't go and give it
to the boss of Farmer Jackson. Get done. But there
was like a rubber ducky the donation box at the front,
and I'd always I'd always go in and put all
the money back in there, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah,
(11:23):
even though when I was bad, I was even as
a kid, I was still trying to be good.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, what age were you when you've done your
first stint in prison?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Juvenile?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I was, I think I was fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I went to rains View and what was that for?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Agrated?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Probably so when you actually got a bit older than
your teens.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Still, how long? How long were we in the street games.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
For pretty much the whole time until you know, and
off went to prison. Out of prison. I went to
adult prison when I was younger, and when I got out,
that's when I became you know, I was the president
of my club. So yeah, it was on And if
I met the boys at a young age, you know,
I think I was sixteen when I met in Perth,
the boss of the club. He's still even today, he's
(12:03):
still sort of like a far figure. Like even today
I latch onto father, you know, without realizing I you know,
you know, I knew, I knew all them, all the boys.
That's how I became a later at such a young age.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And did you when you joined that club? Is that
is that another way of you having that? You know,
because a lot of the clubs a family and brotherhood.
Is that why you went down that path?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You reckon?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I hanged around the boys because of that reason, But
I never wanted to join.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I wanted to fight.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Not saying you can't do both, but I just it
wasn't and that the guy was saying before I met
a young age has been like a He never wanted
me to join either. And it sort of happened overnight.
I wasn't saying that I actually ever thought I was
going to do. And when it happened, it was sort
of you know, like obviously I didn't lie, you know,
only I only did it for you know, I think
a year or two.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But yeah, you also did is it right? You were
a stripper?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, So what happened was when I was seven eighty sixteen.
I had a daughter and I've had her full time
since she was a baby, and I was on the
wrong things to provide for and things like that, and
obviously I didn't want her to have the same life
as myself, so I was trying to do everything. I
was working a few jobs, jobs that I hated, and
then I was doing other know, naughty things, and I
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had a friend. I was always training back then. I
wanted to fight because I was getting the fights all
the time, and older boys took me to a gym
because they don't want me to get bashed. My an
actual fighter, because I was, you know, I got in
a over fire hundred fights, you know. And so when
I started fighting, I looked apart for a strip workers.
You obviously, you know, when you're training every day, you
have good body, isn't that. And my mate owned like
(13:40):
a male strip club that he was sort of dawn
and and he said, bro, don't do the wrong things
in that You've got a daughter now, blah blah blah,
and yeah, that's sort of how it happened. I was like, yeah,
that's probably better than what I'm doing. And I ended
up doing it for a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
When I seen that you did stripping, I thought, fuck, like,
how were you doing that stripping? Like I look at
you as like someone like you, like you don't care
like what you do and you'll do it for to
make money.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But what I'm saying is to you to get your
gear off go on stage. You look very staunch, like yeah,
and it's like if any of the boys found out
that you did strip and it's like, all ship, that's
why did you care or you didn't care at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now I ain't even fucking the boys. I probably told
them anyway. I think there's other boys that have done
it too, you know, like it's just fucking and I
probably looked less, you know how I look back then.
You know, I was probably more prettier back then. I
don't know, man, Yeah, it's just it's not I don't
really care. I tell people doesn't know it was.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It wasn't but it wasn't your thing. You didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh. I enjoyed it because the fact that it was
just so easy to make so much money, you know,
it was just easy, and I might running my own business, well,
I had you know, a bunch of girls and guys
working for me and until I went to prison, you know,
so it was a good money maker. And yeah, like
if I if I wasn't doing anything else and did
they're not doing things because it is such an easy
and the secure money making thing, I probably would have
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kept it going, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So tell me, tell me about when you took things
into your own. How can I say?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
When I read this, it's like you're you're underground superhero.
The way you went around looking for pedophiles. Yeah, like
I get what you're where you're coming from, But what
made you just go?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know what, I'm taking the lord into my own
hands now.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So people, yeah, obviously asked me this a bit, and
I always say, like they always said, you did this
because you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I said, I just hate beophors, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And it probably is because of of what happened and
the girl.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I felt and and you know, I feel like a cow.
I think it could be a lot to it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm not sure. I as a teenager, I remember it
came across me. You know this, this older you know
that was doing saying I did something about it.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
So I always had the idea there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Man, I'd always even before the club, I thought, man,
we should get a bunch of boys, but should all
badly up.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And then when I.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Had the club, I obviously had boys, you know, that
believed in me and followed me and that, and they
didn't even have to know what happened to me as
a kid. Bro. I mean, I think most boys are
pretty keen, you know, even today when I bring up
I mean, if you said to me, now, bro, you
can go get this fucking pedo now, you can't get
in trouble for it. Fuck of course I want to
do it. The only reason I stop is because I
went to prison. And obviously I'm trying to make the
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most of life. And if you try and do anything
good or stay anything good, they just fucking put you
in jail. So I'm very like, I'm pretty smart, you know,
I've got that husson brain and we had you know,
it wasn't just me. I had smart people around me.
You know, I had this real smart little it dude.
Who You're gonna remember this is before I Today people
pretend to be kids and that's how they get this.
(16:28):
You know, this was before that time, bro, This is
like people do it for videos and that bro, we
just fucking got as many paddos as we could because
we wanted to get him, you know, well I wanted
to get him, and the boy wanted to as well.
I actually had a boy that got upset, but he goes, bro,
how can we never mention me in your fucking podcast?
So you know I got Petos, so you know, so
I always mentioned him. Fucking I mentioned him. And I
did a podcast with James English a few and as
(16:51):
Rob Brigardo by the way, he gets through upset, and
I said, the reason I don't mention the boys is
because obviously for obvious reasons, you know, I don't know
if they want to be mentioned. And secondly, I wanted
to protect I wanted to protect them all. Then the
first one we got, it was real bad, man, It
was real gruesome. There was a few boys with me
that were fucking a bit, you know, as you can imagine,
not all there themselves, and it was real bad. And
(17:13):
I got real worried, broke, because if we've got a pinch,
it would have been really bad. So I changed it
to when we got them, that would just fucking fuck
torture them as mentally torture, which I think is better anyway,
because it's the most you're going to get out of them,
you know, So you'd make them We'll just make them
think they're going to die for as long as.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We could, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You'd make them bury though and grave, which takes fucking
sever wo how so that whole time they think, you know,
and then you just go right on with it, you know.
And we had this real smart guy before all that,
and he pretended to be a kid, so people around us,
in the community or whatever you want to call it,
would know woo, and they wouldn't give you up because
you'd have to be a piece of shit to fucking
keep you up doing that. And the would come to
us and we wouldn't just go get anyone because it
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could be you know, someone's eat fucking boyfriend or saying,
we'd make sure have this guy that would ten years
a kid and would somehow start from And so there's
a good thing there is. Now we've got evidence against him.
So first of all, I protect the boys as much
as I can, like battling up and all that, and
then we've got all this evidence aginst him now and
then we don't break downs and legs, because they'll probably
still go to the cops even if you've got those
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evidence on them. So you do the eventual talk and
usually or it worked. Obviously at worked. We've got you know,
we've got a couple of them, a few of them,
so we'd have all this evidence against.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Them, and then yeah, how did you find them? How
would you find them?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Back then people people would come to us. But obviously
I was going out of my way. I was really
busy all the time. But I spent a lot of
my time on this because I had the club, I
had other things going on, and I guess in the
past it would be like if it had come along,
of course I'll get one. But you know, obviously I
went out of my way now and I had boys
going out of the way. I mean, I had things
where even the one that I got done from the end,
(18:42):
I had money, you know, I'd put money on them
and things like that if they could find you know
what I mean, and we'll pay it, you know, like
this guy at the end. There was a lot of
money you know, that I put out there.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So so what you do is you'd find with the
under you'd kidnapped them, and then they thought.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They were meeting up with a kid each time, So
somehow get with them and they would think they're talking
to a kid, and then they would be That was
the best way.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's probably how we got.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
There was other other ways. I mean, I remember we
got one by accident, man, like fucking the boys would
just at his house. He was working pipe, saying, one
of the boys boys from there now, and you know,
so it was you know, the boys were doing other
things too, And then there was this was my my
main partices were old Like the boys rang about a
party or something, or they rang about this. I'd jump
all over it, you know, And I was because I'm smart,
(19:27):
I'm very motivated. I fucking want to make sure things happen.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
How long did you do this for?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Man? I feel like I was always doing it, but
realistically maybe like a year or something, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And how many do you reckon? You got in that year?
We were quite a few, man, So what happens is
you got stitched up? You got how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
All? Right? So normally they look the same, right, they
normally have a look right. But this guy, this guy
was already registered pedophile. He was hanging out with the boys.
Actually I met him for a boy from another club
and he got done raping a tall girl girl three times.
So what's happening is the cops know about what I'm doing,
but it's hard to get They couldn't get us right,
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and they thought we're doing other things, which I always
say we weren't. Yeah, and they were trying to get us.
So they got this guy and they tell him, look,
I had Harry's Jim back then, and we're taking you know, crims.
I said, fucking iever x Bot. We'll get him off
the street into this beauty. They had all beds there,
had a gym, and we're trying to get him off
the drugs and boxing.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And it was also this gym.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Also Danny Green was training there at the time with Azehider,
so it was a probably gym that people were training at,
actual fighters.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And also I did this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I had I had bedrooms at the back of it,
and I was taking them all into that. The corpus
just knew what he needed to do and say that.
So he come to the gym and said, look, man,
I need help. But I said all the right things
to me, So he ended up saying at the gym,
and for the next six months he became a mate.
I didn't take him in. Actually I had a blow
called Simo. He just fucking passed away recently, Rest in peace.
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He was a bit older than me. He done a
lot of prison. He was my go to guy because
I was young. I'd always god him for advice. He
was a nominee, but he was He was the man,
you know. He knew his ship, and he had been
abused as a kid. He lived in homes and he
kept saying to me, he goes, bro, I'm fucking telling
you there's something off with this cumbro. He didn't to
get him at your gym, right, and I just didn't
listen because I was young. I liked the blow. He
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made me laugh, and fucking if I feel sorry for someone,
I'm just because I got bullied so much as a kid.
I try to protect him, you know. And I liked
him to be fair man. I liked him more than
I liked most of my boys like that. You know.
It was he got me a beauty. He was given
information the cops trying to get us for ship. You know,
we weren't doing anything, so they end up getting us
for what we're doing. And what happened was they put
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the pedophile papwork at my gym. One day, Simway rings
me up, he goes you with the guy and I
said yeah, and he get rid of him and come
to the gym. Now I've come there and I'm like,
who the fuck drop is paperwork off at the gym
And it was like, papwork, I've not him, been a
register pedoph already.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Just what he just his the fence now with the
twelve year old girl and it's all it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And I'm like, it's fake broad he can't be No,
it can't be real, you know. And then I fucking
rung him and he started talking to me with a
churn on the phone indicating he's like, I was by
myself with your fucking daughter, you know this and that
like my daughter was eight at the time. Just a
bad shit happened to know where, Man, he went from
being this nice, funny fucking to this fuck and he
just turned over the phone where it was like it
was the weirdest shit ever. Anyway, for the next several weeks,
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I was just fucking I put money on him and
I was looking for this like I wouldn't you know.
And yeah, and then when we got him, this operation
is called Blue Iris. We got him on a guy
called see him Ro's house. He's passed away too now
and it was all cammered up, and it was called
Blue Ris's. Probably was all cammered up when I got there.
And then that's how I got done. I got done
for not letting him leave the room. This kind of
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admitted to the fucking doing shit to his little sister
and all sorts of shit. And I wouldn't let him
leave the room. And yeah, I got done for kidnapper.
And then yeah, pretty much, fucking a few other things
got brought up. They tried to bring up a few
other ones that we got because he brought it all
up and tried to go he went crown witness and
all that is this right, not only that would have cost,
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you know, fuck knows how much money that operation. I
told the boys to stop. You know, we've done enough.
When I when I went to prison, you know, I
don't know it was six months later, a year later,
the boys because when it was on the news and stuff,
the boys people were following like vigilanti. They're doing the
same shit. Now this is why I can't fight in Perth,
not because of my offense, It's because other people followed
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and the coppers.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
How's this right?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
The coppers pretended to be a pedophile, so the boys.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Were still beteaming to be a kid. Like the idea.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It kept going on because it was such a great idea.
And then these boys went to cut in your park
in Perth and they were got done by the the
cops came was a full operation. So we paid the
fucking government right for the police. And that I measure
that the people knew that all their money was gone
on the cops pretending to be pedophiles.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Wow with that? How long it was your stints in
jail for that?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Because I was who I was at the time, I
had to go straight to Dowe no ball. Normally anyone
will get baald, you get bat and murder, but I
didn't get any and that ship because when you go
to jail normally you get like say, a few years
to get repaired. If you don't get repe you know,
it sucks up your whole life. And I went straight
to the prison for a few years, and then I
got a five and a half a year sentence. So
I'm on remain for a few years and then the
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five and a half year sentence and I got out
at fucking almost city. Wow. So I spent you know,
most my twenties in prison.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You know, when you're you know, when you were inside,
did you did you carry on what you were doing
outside by looking for pedophiles inside the journal?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No? No, no, no this or when I went to
prison for it? But I hadn't because like I had,
you know, I've got kids, and I had a life
and things like that, and the whole thing's are very
hard subject because it's like, yeah, of course if I
could keep getting in my wood brow, but I did
my time, now, you know. And you know the reason
I tell this story is because you just sort of
want to, like, you know, raise awareness. I guess you know,
I would love everyone to wake up one day and
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put a mask on and go with pedobro. But yeah,
there's a hard one, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah it's very hard, very hard subject. So while you're inside,
did that make you want to change your life? When
you got out? Were you thinking about changing when you
were inside?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I just wanted to fight. I'd always train, I'd already
had like a few keep boxing fights. I was getting
ready for professional Like I said before, Angelo Hider and
Danny Green were at the gym and that was, you know,
obviously inspiring and we had a lot of good fighters.
And when this guy came along, in fact, I was
sort of getting away from it all. I was leaving
the club on good terms because I wanted to pursue
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professional boxing. I was getting ready for fight and this guy,
because he set us up in that, That's how I
ended up getting done because I fought with my heart
and not with my head. That's how they got me.
And then I really wanted to keep fighting. I want
to have that professional boxing fight now because it was
in my head and when I was in prison, that
was my main goal. And that's what I did. Man.
I trained for hours and hours and hours. I run
the gym in there, I started a boxing program in there.
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It's the first ever had a Casarina prison, and that
was just yeah, I was just on the phone age
I hired all the time, and you know, all I
want to do was fight when I got out, and
that's what I did where I got out, and all
I've done is for it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Before we move on to your boxing, and all like that,
is this true that you were on the Australia's wanted list.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
No, I thought that's bullshit, man, It's just bullshit. I
was in Queensland with my children. I had my Apple
iPhone in my shorts, and that they were like he
was trying to get away, like they're making out, like
they had me at gunpoint fucking leaving the country. That's
all bullshit. But I was in service, fucking parwad of
us right because of an accusation. Someone got found with
drugs and because he said to the police that he
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was holding it for me. They had a warrant from
my arrest, so they already knew about this in Queensland.
I already said to me, no problem, I will come
in and I was willingly coming back to Perth. I've
just been in the theme park, had my Apple wife
on me. It was in contact with them, was in
contact with the lawyers about fucking meeting with them, and
then they fucking.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
They put all that on the news.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I had no footage of that because they just put
it on the news. I had footage of me at
the airport with them, no footage of me fucking running
onto a fucking plane. Almost on my way out, Bro,
I fucking walked up to him, Brough, I met up.
I fucking caught up with them, handed myself in to
come back to Perth. Bro. Wow. So but they put
on the news it's all fucking bullsh. I wasn't the
most wanted broke with talk like I don't know how
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much it was. It was like a kill like saying
fucking small, Bro. They just made it all big because
of who I am. Bro. It was fucking a small
amount which has been It.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Was just bullshit.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's what the media do, Bro, that's what the media do.
They love to spend bullshit.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So tell me about the starts of your when you
got out of jail and the start.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Of your like getting pro and all like that. How
did you start all that off?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Mate? The Perth Commission right made it real hard for
me because I was in prison. I was arguing that
I wasn't in prison for hurting anyone innocent, so you know,
but they didn't let me fight for like three years
or some shit. And then when I finally could fight,
I had four fights. And then because it went on
the news and this and that, they stopped me from
fighting again because they said it looked bad for the
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sport whatever. So I was like, fuck, is I won't
fight perfectain, you know, So I went to back then,
I think maybe Adelaide or Queensland, and I fought in
the other states before I fought in the other countries
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Wow, you still get like, even though that you could
be going back to Perth to fight in the future,
do you get a hostile reception from the Perth government.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I don't really know, man. When I was in Perth,
it was just like at Metro City Nightclub and I
had a good crowd there that all my supporters and
that I'm not really sure mate, I'll know if I fight.
I mean, I should be fighting at rac Arena. I
never want to fight in Perth again. Not because of
the people. I'd love to fight in front of my
fans and the people in that. It was because of
the whole horror of the whole Perth Commission and what
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they put me through in that. But now obviously this
is a massive offer, it's a massive fight. It's sort
of you know, it was a real hard you know,
do I do it? Because my morals didn't want to
do it. And then obviously I put thought into it
and decided yeah, I'll do it. And then when I
said yeah, you got the Perth Commission trying to stop
it again, so which is really wrong because who the
fucker lady is site in their chairs and stop a
man from making money for his family, you know? Correct?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So tell me about the fight that didn't go your
way because I read about it with the judges.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
There was some scandal with the judges.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So I think I would have been what fourteen and
thirty and I fought Entilan had a fair bit and
their best like boxer fighter is a guy called Simon Coole.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He's ninety nine wins WBC World champion.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
If I had a big story he got out of
prison from becoming a world champion because they do that
in Thailand. You can fight your way to prison, and
he was he was like the first to do it.
So there's a story there. But he's a legend in Thailand.
His father he's like runs the commission or saying that
they judges and all sorts of they run their own gym,
they run their own fights. So anyway, I fought him
at Lupeni Stadium with one hand. He was a bit older.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I was at that point in my career where I
had to fight a next legend.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Who's a bit older. That's just where I was at.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I was at the fifteen fight pop point of my
career where you know, so that was him, great boxer
obviously and things like that. I thought him at Loopeni,
which is like, you know, the historical stadium in Thailand.
Everyone told me not to do it Angelo, you know,
and that were like, don't you're fucking crazy, You're mad.
You know, this guy's had five hundred fights in other
like being called kick box here, and he's never even
in training.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
He's never been dropped.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He's like a got a mythical name like jade Head
because he's never ever been dropped. So they knew that
this would probably go all the way. I had no
right hand as well. It was a very weird fucking fight, man.
So the week before the fight was supposed to be
an Australian judge, a tire judge, and another judge from
somewhere else, and that changed day by fucking day where
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end up being three tire judges, and then a day
before the fight, they said he has to be eighty
three kilos. He can't make seventy nine. This is for
a world title, a city world title, but a world title.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I thought, WBF.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I dodn't understand the different world titles. I thought, fuck ye,
it's a world titled. I didn't realize there's good ones
and shit ones. But anyway, So what happened was the
day before the fight, I was with Steven Wills. I
was with a guy for Poor Windsor, who runs like
one of the bigger gyms in Bangkok, the Box. You know.
He even said, he goes, I've been in Thailand ten years, bro,
I've seen some weird shit. Man, I've never seen it
this weird. So day before the fight, I was like,
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all right, whatever eighty three. So I had to go
to the gym at five in the morning. I made
weight seventy nine and then he was eighty three. Showed
me I well a bit above. And then they've changed
the scales. The WBF come and they fucked it up.
They changed it like too much, so he dropped to
like seven kilos, which looks stupid. So you got the
promoter's assistant because the WBA for like, what's going on?
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He can't be sad you know, and the guy go
he's like it okay, it's okay, and they've fucking stepped
on the scales while he's on the scales with their.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Foot and they've pushed up. See yeah it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
They pushed it up to like seventy six or seventy seven.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Or whatever, and then they're like it's okay. It's again.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
They just looked at me it's okay, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever,
it's okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
And it was just fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Everyone day by day was like, do not fucking fight
anyway they're supposed to be at this stage. It changed day,
but I think it was like an Aussie judge and
two high judges by now, and then when I got there,
it was just fucking three TI judges. Obviously if you
watched the fight. I don't know if you've watched that one.
Every round, like you've got these fights where they're close
and people can plain or there's a couple of rounds
in it, but this was like I won every single
fucking round and it's just yeah, and everyone knows it. Anyway.
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I reviewed it straight away. They got five judges around
the World reviewed it said yeah, I am one unanimously,
but they could only change it to a no contest,
which I think is fucker bullshit. They changed it no contests,
but they've sent it to the review, to the tire commission.
Who's their family again, and they can just fucking sit
on it until the day I die. If they want,
they have to put it forward, but they can just say, oh, yeah,
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we haven't checked it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
They need to put in. They still haven't.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So I had a couple more fights and I ended
up fighting in Turkey. It was supposed to be for
a WBC Silver title, which is like the one before
WC World. I was fighting this guy from like an
African country. He was like seventeen wins and a couple
of losses or saying. And then a day before the fight,
they're like, it couldn't get him, but you can fight
Seramon Goal again because this Turkey is promoter was from
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Ty and I said. At first I was like, no,
fuck that, and then I turned around. I said I
will fight him in one condition that his father or
the family. They honored the review and I've got it
all in fucking writing. I've still got it. And they
said yeah, okay, Bill, and also I want neutral judges,
you know, and whatever. And then so I ended up
fighting him in Turkey and I beat him every round again,
I won the world title, another shitty one. And then
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they still haven't fucking on the review. If you look
at box right, they still haven't fucking It's still fifteen
and fucking one, which I tell everyone I'm a fifteen
I'm really I'm a six den no fighter because I am,
because I've got the review and it's like, I know
it doesn't mean much people like what you know, but
to me, obviously, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I didn't think they could sit on it for that
long viral, So they can sit on it for as
long as they want.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I don't know, I'll work shit out.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I was like, I've spoken to managers, promoters, I know,
and they go manage because the fight happened in Thailand,
so it's.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Just it's all bullshit. But everything's all bullshit anyway, you know?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Does that put you off boxing a bit?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
With but like it's in every sports, I guess, But
does it put you off knowing that if you go
to someone else's country or an opponent's country, you know
that this shit's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I can't really complain about it because I got told
with everyone ting I'm the creative of my own chaos.
So like people tell me, then I do something, and
then I get in trouble for it, and then I
complain about it, you know. So it's like I can
keep doing the professional boxing, which is what I wanted.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I was it's a hard way.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I was happy to keep going to other people's countries,
probably getting robbed, you know, I would have had to
have another ten more fights to fight, you know, the
best in the world, that which is what I want.
But this influenced boxing thing, it's happened by accident, and
now I fight a few influencers. I'll make a big name,
and they're not gonna fight the best in the world.
So not that I wasn't gonna happy to go down
the hard road, obviously I was. I was doing it,
but this is just you know, at my age, I
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want to fight the best in the world. Now, not
in you know, because that would take another three or
four years the other room. So now hopefully I've to
do it over the next year.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Now, So tell me, tell me about Tommy Fury.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What's going on there because I've seen it call him
out well to me. To me, it looks like he's
fucking running.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So that happened by accident. Man, I've met people in Thailand.
I met Scouss in Thailand. I met guy called John Gillies. Yeah,
he's a great, great fucking man, well respected over there.
I was talking to him and then someone made like
a fan like post of me fighting Tommy Fury. So
this happened by accident. This is a few months ago,
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and it had like.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Fucking you had a few million views.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And then obviously Darren Till Tommy fur eything happened where
he pulled out. So John Gillies is close to down.
He trained him as a kid, and John knows me
and he's asked me if I want to fight Darren
Because of the Tommy Fiery thing, that post went up
those negotiations where Mick Francis from Tasmin Fighters, he was
talking to Spencer.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Brown and that about Tommy and then they offered me.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Darren Til from that. So that's how it all started
for me. And then I didn't get the Darren fight
except that it was going to go through, and then
we became friends and then John got me over there
through one of one of Darren's managers actually, and then
so on. You know, that was months ago now and
then my story is obviously now that all that's happened
and misfits and this and that, now people are asking
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about pot and that's sort of how my story goes.
People knew my story in Australia, but Australia don't really
like a good story, you know. But in the UK
they embrace it. Man, what a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Can make your name for it, and then the UK
you can make your name bigger.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Than what it is. But by all these controversile stories
that you can have.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's actually crazy because I'm living it at the moment. Man.
I've been here for you know, a couple of times
out of the last few months, in the UK and
Ireland and Scotland, and it's crazy, like it's not such
a bad feeling, you know either.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, So that Tommy ever get back to you about
trying to face him or did he not reply.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I've spoken to all the other people, but Tommy doesn't speak.
They're they're weird, man, they're weird ones. I don't speak,
you know, you don't really know what's going on. His
people were speaking of my people, I guess, and I
did what I was told, Like people told me off
from out and do this and that misfits you know,
the people who signed, and they all wanted to fight.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
He is a weird character.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Man, You don't know what the fuck's going on, the
fact that he wasn't saying much, I thought like there
was a stage there where, like you know, he had
the son and the mirror and all media people like
hammering him about it, and the fact he wasn't saying no,
I thought, fuck, this cunt's going to take the fight,
because if you're getting hammered and you can't, like I
got told, he'd get a coffee and people would be,
you know, asking you find the Aussie, you'd think the fact,
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you know, you'd say, eventually do it like a you
do something saying look I'm not you know a lot
of people probably call him out. He's not a door
for each person. But this was big man, Like this
was on every fucking news article, like he was getting hammd.
You thought it got to be like, look, it's not happening.
You know, he didn't bro so and the people also
going to were like just leave it. I wanted to
fight other people because it was like I was just
can't be bothered fucking And now I don't really give
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a fuck if he fights me not because now it's
like I'm getting off of big fights now, bigger than
him to me. Now, like he just thought, fucking the shit,
he's got a bad name here, man. No one's didn't
seen the fighters that bad. Now, that probably would have
cost him money, wouldn't have made money off of that.
So now it's like I'm fighting on misfits. I'm fighting
at O two. You know I'm fighting. I'm probably gonna
headline RC. Now it's like fucking he's gonna have to
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want to fight, you know, that's he's gonna be lucky.
I'm a fiftheen no fighter, Like That's how I look
at it.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So because he used to be a sparting partner for
Lucas Brown.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yet Lucas is a good friend of mine. He used
to help run my gym, and you know, we don't
in Western Australia.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
It's hard to get sparring. And he's obviously one.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Hundred and fucking twenty three heavyweight world champion and I'm
an eighty kilo fighter, but yeah, we did. Man, there
was I was his only sparring partner. I think I
was his only smarting partner for a few of his fights,
and he was my my sparing partner. So you know,
we've done thousands of rounds. Very good friend of mine.
We still speak all the time. He is going to
be doing the band knuckle, hopefully the same night as me,
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and he'll be great because we've never fought. We've been
at each other's fights a lot of each other's fights,
but we've never fought together on the same night.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So tell me about your future fights.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So you're going to go into a new band knuckles
thing now for you out out of boxing, but you're
still going to keep doing boxing, correct.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean, I'm probably a better bandknuckle fighter. I probably
will be better ban knuckle fighter than boxer because of
all the street fighting. I still when you watch me box,
you know people watching and it looks weird and awkward.
It's because of the streets, you know, and things like that.
But my goal was to become the best at boxing,
and I'm very stubborn and gold driven. So I'm only
doing the band knuckle because it's a big opportunity and
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it will get me what I want in boxing, So
hopefully it's the only one, because I want to fight
the best or in box.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Maybe after that I'll go back to the bout.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I don't know. If it wasn't this fight and the
offer that it is and and where it is and things,
I wouldn't be doing it. So I will be going
straight to boxing a week later. I mean, I'm fighting
at O two, like the biggest, one of the biggest
rounders in the world, a week later in a boxing match.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So so tell me about your opponents and the band knockle.
Has that been a rain shit or it's all sort.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Of yes, yes, Aaron Timers. Is that Georgie Shaw, guy
Fort Floyd Maywether? You know that was obviously to me
and and things like that, and all the boys here
where I'm sparring on them and that. Everyone said I'm
going to smash them, and I'm going to smash them,
and it's just the money fight. It's at home. It's
going to do what I want for boxing, I think.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And you'll pursue that after it too for a second
face and third fight.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, No, I'm only going to be boxing after this
fight and then and then if I mean, if I
get offered something crazy again, I'll do it. Obviously I'm
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
But I want you want to concentrate on boxing, on boxing. Yeah,
so tell me about your your next fight in boxing?
Who's that against in the UK?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I'm fighting this X Factor he's had, like I don't know,
he made the finals an X Factor. He made his
name big from that a few years ago, and now
he's boxing. He's fought I think seven people, he's knocked
them all out. But they're all influencers. I know that
it's going to be an easy fight, but that's just
what the influence boxing is. And I'm not going to
be taking it easy because he's you know, because of that.
(40:25):
So they fight six days after my banduck will fight
and I'm not worried, and it's going to be a
three day fucking flight, this and that. But it doesn't
matter because he hasn't he's been boxing for a few years,
but he's not well, you know, he's not.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, So what's what's your what's your main goal?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Like, what what's your what you want to achieve in
the next two years? Say, let's give a two year goal.
What what's the what's you want to go?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I want to fight the best in the world, man.
I want to fight, whether it's Canelo or someone like that.
I want to fight the best in the world in boxing,
and I want to approve it to myself.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Any regrets.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
In life, I tell I tell people not to have
any regrets, so I can't really say I have any regrets.
I try not to have any regrets. What you asked before,
I'll touch on that. I am doing the influence boxing
also because my number one reason is because I fight
a lot for men's mental health. Because I was in
(41:19):
juvenile in out of prison abuse. I think I touched
on man's mental health. I feel like I'm shown you know,
kids that say they've got abuse, or in juvenile, in prison,
or yeah, even someone that's in jail right now that's
twenty five. I feel like I can show I touched
on all of it. I show all them that this
can be done because I remember sitting in that cell
and everyone telling me I couldn't do it, you know,
(41:39):
and things like that, and I want all these people.
I feel like it's very important. So that's my number
one reason. That's why I'm doing the Influence Boxing because
I'm reaching that platform. I'm out of reach and talk
about it. I'm od to talk to you about what
I just talked about before. I can do all them
things now on the Influence platform, but myself, So that's
number one my selfish reasons for myself is I want
to fight the best in the world for myself, you know.
(42:00):
So that's yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So you're going to be located in UK, you reckon
for all your fights.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Now it's looking that way. I'm in crumbling at the moment.
Training with Philip Starcliffe, who looked after a lot of
you know, big names, obviously looked after ECONOMC Gregor and
is great here man. My mom's from Ireland, she was
born here. I've met family here. I've spent a lot
of time in the UK and here now and I
just feel at home. Phil has been looking after me.
(42:29):
I have to come home now just to fucking sit
in front of the PERF Commission so they can sit
in their curls chairs and tell me whether I'm allowed
to make money or not. And then I'm going to
come back again, come back to Perth fight and go
straight to London and fight and then keep going like that.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
But yeah, most of my training will be over here.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Well before we go, can you describe yourself to me
in one or two words? What you think of yourself?
And like, what would you describe yourself in one word
or two.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Yeah, I feel like I'm just trying to do the
best I can.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Man say, you're a survivor, a survivor, I'm RESI yeah, yeah, reason,
that's a good that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well, I want to I want I want to say
thank you Matt for coming on. It's been an interesting
journey of yours and a very interesting story, and you've
come through it and now you're going to shine in
the next couple of years and hopefully become a title holder.
So I wish you all the best, and I hope
to keep in touch and I'll help promote you whatever
way I can from this part of the world.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Anyway, no person of all, thanks having me many h
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Speaker 2 (43:47):
Hm
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Muscle comments and in this episode I speak to Matthew Floyd,
who went from vigilante justice to a rising star in boxing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They are pedophiles, I guess, but they didn't do anything themselves.
They'll get us to make videos of us, like getting
married or whatever. Would have to go through it. That one,
from the day on was where I created this person
that wasn't scared of anything. You can go get this
head right now. You can't get in trouble for of
course I want to do it. The only reason I
stopped it because I went to prison. It was real,
bad man, it was real gruesome torture. Is I mentally tortured.
We'll just make them think they're going to die for
(00:42):
as long as we could, you know, you make them
bury though. Engrave and I went to Brison for a
few years and I got out at an almost earty
So I spent most of my twenties in prison. I
want to fight the best in the world in boxing,
and I want to provide to myself.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So matt thanks for coming on the podcast. I really
appreciate this. Let's start off by getting to know you
and growing up if you did he goes to school
and family wise, and yeah, just take it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I went to school. I lived like with different
different places and things like that. Lived in some good
places and some bad places. I was all over the place, man,
I'll probably say it in over fucking fifty places.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Was there a good family life that you had or
was it? Was it before you went like you moved
around housing and all like that before you were ten?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
What was it like growing up? Was it good or
was it bad?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had some good, really good families men, some good
memories and stuff and some bad ones. I had this
guy that he looked after me for a good couple
of years. Bro, he was I had really good memories
with him. I wasn't in somebody he wanted to dp
me and stuff. And he had a girlfriend that didn't
like you know, because I wasn't his son. So that's
sort of why. But yeah, I had There was some
good place and some bad places. You know. It wasn't
(01:54):
I remember like quite you know a lot of good times.
Even with my mother she was quite sick. She would
have had me like all the time if she could have.
She loved me.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
She was a sick man like she didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So I had like lots of I was very close
and I just couldn't live with all the time. So
it's not like all bad. It was just good and bad,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So what about what about school and did you actually
go to school? Did you not finish school at all?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was hard to go to school because we're moving
around so much and things like that. But I would
go on and off obviously, Like when I stayed with
the good families. When I was a kid, I would
go to school every day, and then you know, when
I was with my mom or with other people, I
just you know, I wouldn't go and things like that.
In high school, I barely went to school in high school.
I actually had really good families look after me in
high school. But at that stage, I was running a
(02:37):
market and I was doing the wrong things. I wanted
to be on the streets and things like that, you know.
So yeah, I would have had better opportunities if I
stayed out of these good families.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But that was an I say.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I didn't want it, you know, like I desperately wanted
it when I was in primary school.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
What about brothers and sisters, got any Yeah, I've got.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
A brother and sister that I knew growing up for
my mum. But they're a lot older. They're like fifteen
years older than me. That's why my sister she looked
after me for a bit as well when she had
a good boyfriend. But they end up bad on the
drugs and things like that, so they couldn't look after me.
But I have another sister that I just got in
contact with in the last few years actually, So that
was from my dad's side and that and I've been
(03:13):
talking to her. She lived a different life. She was
raised by a complete different family. She had a normal upbringing. So, yeah,
tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
About when you reached the age of ten and you
were given to this family. Taught me through that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'll call them the pedophile family. And I actually got
on one of the podcasts I think I work out
things as I do this podcasts now and he's like,
when you said pedophile family, I thought you meant, like,
you know, there was ten of her mother. It wasn't.
It was just the guy and the girl. He was
like in his fifties.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
She was twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And they are pedophiles, I guess. But they didn't do
anything themselves. They'll get us to make videos. I was
the oldest kid, so they'd make us make videos us kids,
and that they had a biological daughter. I remember she
was two, but the other kids were forced to kids
like myself, and they'll just make videos of us, like
getting married or whatever, would have to go through her
and stuff. So there was more of a money thing
(04:02):
for them.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I was oldest kid there. I ran away. When
you're a kid and you're doing these things, you feel
like it's you doing it, so people will tell me
to say, oh, wasn't it. Yeah, But when you're a
kid and you feel all that shit, it doesn't go away.
So me running away, I actually felt like a cowd
I felt like I was leaving the kids behind. That
and then that sat with me for a good year
or so, and I end up with an actual fucking pedophile. Obviously,
(04:25):
I always looked for role models because I never had,
like a father role model. So this Barsca coach was
like my first probably because Barstle was my first love.
He was like a role model, and I end up
staying with him, and he was a pedophile himself. And
around the same time the pedophile family. They got done
for all the videos and things like that, and I
had a lot of build up anger and whatever from
(04:46):
running away from there. And now I'm with another pedophile,
you know. So I end up looping out and turning
on this pedophile and I left that place. And then
that was from the day onwards where I became this
because I was a very scared kid before this whole
scared of the dark, scared of go scared of bad weather,
and I just created this person that wasn't scared of anything.
I end up going to high school pretty soon after this,
(05:07):
and there are all these different locations, so this was
a different place for different kids because I never had
any friends. I was a very light loner in primary school.
And then I became this fighter that just wasn't scared
of anyone. I'd fight anyone, and I didn't like to
listen to anyone I had to teach, you know. So
I just cared this. That's where it came from, and
that's evolved into what I am today.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
How did you cope with that second family that you
went to not having any friends to talk to about
the situation?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So how did you deal with that yourself?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Back when you're a kid, you don't really talk.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, I didn't really talk about it anyway, my mum
g and you like saying was up. But I didn't
really speak about it. Man. I felt I was really embarrassed, obviously,
and and you know, I felt like a guilt because
I always felt like a coward and things like that.
So I didn't really talk about it, man, And I
never really even up until you know, in the last
(05:56):
probably few months. Man, I haven't spoke much about it.
I'll probably get more into it each time I speak,
you know, about it. But yeah, I didn't. Yeah, it
was one of them things even today, Like I can
talk about it now because I've done it so many
times now. But I don't actually go back in my mind,
I don't. I do, I guess like right now.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Really Like my thing is with the boys, like the teenagers,
I take off the street, and now I teach not
to go back. I teach the fine goals and move forward.
I'm very strong like that. I don't believe in like
going back and talk and all that sort of stuff.
You know. I believe in, you know, with all shit happens,
even as a kid. Man, I remember when all these
things were happening. I just always think, man, there's fucking
far worse happening elsewhere. You know, even as a kid,
(06:36):
if like that, like I used to think about you.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Know, you'd see pictures in school of like.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Kids starving and things like that, and I think about
shit like that. So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Don't know when you when you say like you're in
barised or like a shamed to tell anyone, did you
not want to reach out though, to a teacher or
to a friend or anybody that you knew, just to
say this is.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
How long did that go on for?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I spoke to my mum and she used to get
like friends around. I remember there was this lady that
was like a counselor, and I tried.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I tried.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It was this is very hard even today, man, I
don't really go into detail about things. I'm very embarrassed
and you know, and things like that. Yeah, it's not
something I just yeah, I sort of like kept a
lot to myself. Man.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wow, So when you run away from the second family,
where did you run to, not knowing that having any
friends or something.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Did you just stay on the streets or did you
just didn't know what you were doing. The second guy,
I wasn't a family. It was just him on his
own as a basketball coach. The second one, what happened
I ran from him. I ended up at my primary school.
I was going to start a prime at the time,
and they had shades on top of the playground. With
my go to players, I'd go stay on the shade.
I'd have my bars with me in my backpack. Back then,
there wasn't social media, so people didn't like Now, if
(07:45):
the kid did that, you'd probably catch on about three
or four days later. There was a kid who actually
I bumped into in prison when I went to prison
last and he was a year older and he must
have worked out I was saying that he told his mum.
I ended up staying with her for two weeks, and
my nanna from Adelaide, she come over and then from there,
you know, I ended up with her for a few
(08:05):
weeks and then it ended up sorting itself out.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I ended up in high school pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And this is sort of when like I was, I
liked it, you know, I want to live on the
streets and gangs and all that sort of stuff in
high so I was going backwards and forwards from home.
So I had really good family. So I had a
lot of friends in high school because I was a fighter.
Who wasn't I changed my whole appearance, I guess, and
I had friends that that good family, and I ended
up becoming with a really good athlete in high school
from environment schools an average athlete. And then my body
(08:32):
changed with me fast, and I ended up staying with
a family that they had a good athlete themselves. He
ended up playing AFL football. He was my you know,
my best friend in high school. And now you know,
I had people like that, and then I had another
matey I mentioned Imurian Stringer's mum. Their family, they were
good and even the step father. I remember he used
to pay for my basketball and things like that for
me to go.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But yeah, so do you think with.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You joining the gangs where when you were a teenager,
was that your way of dealing with all the mental
stuff that you had to deal with at a younger age.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
No, I'm still trying to work things out.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I've always wanted would be good, but.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I was trying to like be I guess bad for
the greater good, and I was just working things out,
you know. Back then, like that was all new to me,
being bad and things like that, because I was a
pretty good kid.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know, I didn't even like swearing, so it was
all new to me.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And I think I didn't like Alon having control over
me anymore and power over me. And I like, you know,
like I was end up, you know, becoming a natural leader.
I end up, you know, I would lead these games
and things like that up intil it, you know obviously
in adult life ended up so literally I felt like
I transformed overnight from primary school to high school.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Were you still living on the streets then or were
you now living with another family or bar in high school?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yes, yeah, I was on and off. I would like
I would like to stay on, you know, but that
was my choice. And I had a fan I can
go to. I had my mom still as well, who
would go on and off? And yeah, how are you
making your money? Like for back then, when I was
in primary school, I wanted to leave my mum when
she was sick. But and I always thought that the
problem was not she had I thought it was money
while she sick. I didn't understand mental illness and all that.
(10:07):
So when I was seen years old, I was buying
and selling Pokemon cards, and I used to go to
the markets, punnywell markets, I used to go to their
own and I was always smart hustler, and I made
money from that, and that evolved in the games to
the point where when I was eleven years old, I
built a few thousand dollars and I went to Thailand
and I bought all these Nintendo games back game Boy Advance,
(10:27):
because Nintendo there was always a copyright problem with PlayStation,
but I jerried on that there wasn't Nintendo. So I
went and I bought all these Nintendo games and they
looked probably they all copied games and there was no
issue in Nintendo, And yeah, I just made money from that.
Would always give the money to my mum, thinking, oh,
I can live with mom now, everything's going to be okay. Now.
Obviously it wasn't the case. But I was always smart.
(10:49):
When I was a teenager, we had a place called
Farmer Jacks, which was the shops before behind our school,
and I'd still like the six packs of gum and
the red bulls and stuff, and i'd selling at school.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I always try to be good.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
When I was bad, For example, I would still or
gooed my money and I invested into what I knew,
which was games, And as certain as I had enough money,
I would always you know, start I sold a few
hundred from Farmer Jacks, I wouldn't go and give it
to the boss of Farmer Jackson. Get done. But there
was like a rubber ducky the donation box at the front,
and I'd always I'd always go in and put all
the money back in there, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah,
(11:23):
even though when I was bad, I was even as
a kid, I was still trying to be good.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, what age were you when you've done your
first stint in prison?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Juvenile?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I was, I think I was fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I went to rains View and what was that for?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Agrated?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Probably so when you actually got a bit older than
your teens.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Still, how long? How long were we in the street games.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
For pretty much the whole time until you know, and
off went to prison. Out of prison. I went to
adult prison when I was younger, and when I got out,
that's when I became you know, I was the president
of my club. So yeah, it was on And if
I met the boys at a young age, you know,
I think I was sixteen when I met in Perth,
the boss of the club. He's still even today, he's
(12:03):
still sort of like a far figure. Like even today
I latch onto father, you know, without realizing I you know,
you know, I knew, I knew all them, all the boys.
That's how I became a later at such a young age.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And did you when you joined that club? Is that
is that another way of you having that? You know,
because a lot of the clubs a family and brotherhood.
Is that why you went down that path?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You reckon?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I hanged around the boys because of that reason, But
I never wanted to join.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I wanted to fight.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Not saying you can't do both, but I just it
wasn't and that the guy was saying before I met
a young age has been like a He never wanted
me to join either. And it sort of happened overnight.
I wasn't saying that I actually ever thought I was
going to do. And when it happened, it was sort
of you know, like obviously I didn't lie, you know,
only I only did it for you know, I think
a year or two.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But yeah, you also did is it right? You were
a stripper?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, So what happened was when I was seven eighty sixteen.
I had a daughter and I've had her full time
since she was a baby, and I was on the
wrong things to provide for and things like that, and
obviously I didn't want her to have the same life
as myself, so I was trying to do everything. I
was working a few jobs, jobs that I hated, and
then I was doing other know, naughty things, and I
(13:18):
had a friend. I was always training back then. I
wanted to fight because I was getting the fights all
the time, and older boys took me to a gym
because they don't want me to get bashed. My an
actual fighter, because I was, you know, I got in
a over fire hundred fights, you know. And so when
I started fighting, I looked apart for a strip workers.
You obviously, you know, when you're training every day, you
have good body, isn't that. And my mate owned like
(13:40):
a male strip club that he was sort of dawn
and and he said, bro, don't do the wrong things
in that You've got a daughter now, blah blah blah,
and yeah, that's sort of how it happened. I was like, yeah,
that's probably better than what I'm doing. And I ended
up doing it for a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
When I seen that you did stripping, I thought, fuck, like,
how were you doing that stripping? Like I look at
you as like someone like you, like you don't care
like what you do and you'll do it for to
make money.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But what I'm saying is to you to get your
gear off go on stage. You look very staunch, like yeah,
and it's like if any of the boys found out
that you did strip and it's like, all ship, that's
why did you care or you didn't care at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now I ain't even fucking the boys. I probably told
them anyway. I think there's other boys that have done
it too, you know, like it's just fucking and I
probably looked less, you know how I look back then.
You know, I was probably more prettier back then. I
don't know, man, Yeah, it's just it's not I don't
really care. I tell people doesn't know it was.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It wasn't but it wasn't your thing. You didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh. I enjoyed it because the fact that it was
just so easy to make so much money, you know,
it was just easy, and I might running my own business, well,
I had you know, a bunch of girls and guys
working for me and until I went to prison, you know,
so it was a good money maker. And yeah, like
if I if I wasn't doing anything else and did
they're not doing things because it is such an easy
and the secure money making thing, I probably would have
(14:56):
kept it going, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So tell me, tell me about when you took things
into your own. How can I say?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
When I read this, it's like you're you're underground superhero.
The way you went around looking for pedophiles. Yeah, like
I get what you're where you're coming from, But what
made you just go?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You know what, I'm taking the lord into my own
hands now.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So people, yeah, obviously asked me this a bit, and
I always say, like they always said, you did this
because you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I said, I just hate beophors, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And it probably is because of of what happened and
the girl.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I felt and and you know, I feel like a cow.
I think it could be a lot to it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm not sure. I as a teenager, I remember it
came across me. You know this, this older you know
that was doing saying I did something about it.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
So I always had the idea there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Man, I'd always even before the club, I thought, man,
we should get a bunch of boys, but should all
badly up.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And then when I.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Had the club, I obviously had boys, you know, that
believed in me and followed me and that, and they
didn't even have to know what happened to me as
a kid. Bro. I mean, I think most boys are
pretty keen, you know, even today when I bring up
I mean, if you said to me, now, bro, you
can go get this fucking pedo now, you can't get
in trouble for it. Fuck of course I want to
do it. The only reason I stop is because I
went to prison. And obviously I'm trying to make the
(16:08):
most of life. And if you try and do anything
good or stay anything good, they just fucking put you
in jail. So I'm very like, I'm pretty smart, you know,
I've got that husson brain and we had you know,
it wasn't just me. I had smart people around me.
You know, I had this real smart little it dude.
Who You're gonna remember this is before I Today people
pretend to be kids and that's how they get this.
(16:28):
You know, this was before that time, bro, This is
like people do it for videos and that bro, we
just fucking got as many paddos as we could because
we wanted to get him, you know, well I wanted
to get him, and the boy wanted to as well.
I actually had a boy that got upset, but he goes, bro,
how can we never mention me in your fucking podcast?
So you know I got Petos, so you know, so
I always mentioned him. Fucking I mentioned him. And I
did a podcast with James English a few and as
(16:51):
Rob Brigardo by the way, he gets through upset, and
I said, the reason I don't mention the boys is
because obviously for obvious reasons, you know, I don't know
if they want to be mentioned. And secondly, I wanted
to protect I wanted to protect them all. Then the
first one we got, it was real bad, man, It
was real gruesome. There was a few boys with me
that were fucking a bit, you know, as you can imagine,
not all there themselves, and it was real bad. And
(17:13):
I got real worried, broke, because if we've got a pinch,
it would have been really bad. So I changed it
to when we got them, that would just fucking fuck
torture them as mentally torture, which I think is better anyway,
because it's the most you're going to get out of them,
you know, So you'd make them We'll just make them
think they're going to die for as long as.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We could, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You'd make them bury though and grave, which takes fucking
sever wo how so that whole time they think, you know,
and then you just go right on with it, you know.
And we had this real smart guy before all that,
and he pretended to be a kid, so people around us,
in the community or whatever you want to call it,
would know woo, and they wouldn't give you up because
you'd have to be a piece of shit to fucking
keep you up doing that. And the would come to
us and we wouldn't just go get anyone because it
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could be you know, someone's eat fucking boyfriend or saying,
we'd make sure have this guy that would ten years
a kid and would somehow start from And so there's
a good thing there is. Now we've got evidence against him.
So first of all, I protect the boys as much
as I can, like battling up and all that, and
then we've got all this evidence aginst him now and
then we don't break downs and legs, because they'll probably
still go to the cops even if you've got those
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evidence on them. So you do the eventual talk and
usually or it worked. Obviously at worked. We've got you know,
we've got a couple of them, a few of them,
so we'd have all this evidence against.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Them, and then yeah, how did you find them? How
would you find them?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Back then people people would come to us. But obviously
I was going out of my way. I was really
busy all the time. But I spent a lot of
my time on this because I had the club, I
had other things going on, and I guess in the
past it would be like if it had come along,
of course I'll get one. But you know, obviously I
went out of my way now and I had boys
going out of the way. I mean, I had things
where even the one that I got done from the end,
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I had money, you know, I'd put money on them
and things like that if they could find you know
what I mean, and we'll pay it, you know, like
this guy at the end. There was a lot of
money you know, that I put out there.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So so what you do is you'd find with the
under you'd kidnapped them, and then they thought.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They were meeting up with a kid each time, So
somehow get with them and they would think they're talking
to a kid, and then they would be That was
the best way.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's probably how we got.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
There was other other ways. I mean, I remember we
got one by accident, man, like fucking the boys would
just at his house. He was working pipe, saying, one
of the boys boys from there now, and you know,
so it was you know, the boys were doing other
things too, And then there was this was my my
main partices were old Like the boys rang about a
party or something, or they rang about this. I'd jump
all over it, you know, And I was because I'm smart,
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I'm very motivated. I fucking want to make sure things happen.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
How long did you do this for?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Man? I feel like I was always doing it, but
realistically maybe like a year or something, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And how many do you reckon? You got in that year?
We were quite a few, man, So what happens is
you got stitched up? You got how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
All? Right? So normally they look the same, right, they
normally have a look right. But this guy, this guy
was already registered pedophile. He was hanging out with the boys.
Actually I met him for a boy from another club
and he got done raping a tall girl girl three times.
So what's happening is the cops know about what I'm doing,
but it's hard to get They couldn't get us right,
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and they thought we're doing other things, which I always
say we weren't. Yeah, and they were trying to get us.
So they got this guy and they tell him, look,
I had Harry's Jim back then, and we're taking you know, crims.
I said, fucking iever x Bot. We'll get him off
the street into this beauty. They had all beds there,
had a gym, and we're trying to get him off
the drugs and boxing.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And it was also this gym.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Also Danny Green was training there at the time with Azehider,
so it was a probably gym that people were training at,
actual fighters.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And also I did this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I had I had bedrooms at the back of it,
and I was taking them all into that. The corpus
just knew what he needed to do and say that.
So he come to the gym and said, look, man,
I need help. But I said all the right things
to me, So he ended up saying at the gym,
and for the next six months he became a mate.
I didn't take him in. Actually I had a blow
called Simo. He just fucking passed away recently, Rest in peace.
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He was a bit older than me. He done a
lot of prison. He was my go to guy because
I was young. I'd always god him for advice. He
was a nominee, but he was He was the man,
you know. He knew his ship, and he had been
abused as a kid. He lived in homes and he
kept saying to me, he goes, bro, I'm fucking telling
you there's something off with this cumbro. He didn't to
get him at your gym, right, and I just didn't
listen because I was young. I liked the blow. He
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made me laugh, and fucking if I feel sorry for someone,
I'm just because I got bullied so much as a kid.
I try to protect him, you know. And I liked
him to be fair man. I liked him more than
I liked most of my boys like that. You know.
It was he got me a beauty. He was given
information the cops trying to get us for ship. You know,
we weren't doing anything, so they end up getting us
for what we're doing. And what happened was they put
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the pedophile papwork at my gym. One day, Simway rings
me up, he goes you with the guy and I
said yeah, and he get rid of him and come
to the gym. Now I've come there and I'm like,
who the fuck drop is paperwork off at the gym
And it was like, papwork, I've not him, been a
register pedoph already.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Just what he just his the fence now with the
twelve year old girl and it's all it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And I'm like, it's fake broad he can't be No,
it can't be real, you know. And then I fucking
rung him and he started talking to me with a
churn on the phone indicating he's like, I was by
myself with your fucking daughter, you know this and that
like my daughter was eight at the time. Just a
bad shit happened to know where, Man, he went from
being this nice, funny fucking to this fuck and he
just turned over the phone where it was like it
was the weirdest shit ever. Anyway, for the next several weeks,
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I was just fucking I put money on him and
I was looking for this like I wouldn't you know.
And yeah, and then when we got him, this operation
is called Blue Iris. We got him on a guy
called see him Ro's house. He's passed away too now
and it was all cammered up, and it was called
Blue Ris's. Probably was all cammered up when I got there.
And then that's how I got done. I got done
for not letting him leave the room. This kind of
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admitted to the fucking doing shit to his little sister
and all sorts of shit. And I wouldn't let him
leave the room. And yeah, I got done for kidnapper.
And then yeah, pretty much, fucking a few other things
got brought up. They tried to bring up a few
other ones that we got because he brought it all
up and tried to go he went crown witness and
all that is this right, not only that would have cost,
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you know, fuck knows how much money that operation. I
told the boys to stop. You know, we've done enough.
When I when I went to prison, you know, I
don't know it was six months later, a year later,
the boys because when it was on the news and stuff,
the boys people were following like vigilanti. They're doing the
same shit. Now this is why I can't fight in Perth,
not because of my offense, It's because other people followed
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and the coppers.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
How's this right?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
The coppers pretended to be a pedophile, so the boys.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Were still beteaming to be a kid. Like the idea.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It kept going on because it was such a great idea.
And then these boys went to cut in your park
in Perth and they were got done by the the
cops came was a full operation. So we paid the
fucking government right for the police. And that I measure
that the people knew that all their money was gone
on the cops pretending to be pedophiles.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Wow with that? How long it was your stints in
jail for that?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Because I was who I was at the time, I
had to go straight to Dowe no ball. Normally anyone
will get baald, you get bat and murder, but I
didn't get any and that ship because when you go
to jail normally you get like say, a few years
to get repaired. If you don't get repe you know,
it sucks up your whole life. And I went straight
to the prison for a few years, and then I
got a five and a half a year sentence. So
I'm on remain for a few years and then the
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five and a half year sentence and I got out
at fucking almost city. Wow. So I spent you know,
most my twenties in prison.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You know, when you're you know, when you were inside,
did you did you carry on what you were doing
outside by looking for pedophiles inside the journal?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No? No, no, no this or when I went to
prison for it? But I hadn't because like I had,
you know, I've got kids, and I had a life
and things like that, and the whole thing's are very
hard subject because it's like, yeah, of course if I
could keep getting in my wood brow, but I did
my time, now, you know. And you know the reason
I tell this story is because you just sort of
want to, like, you know, raise awareness. I guess you know,
I would love everyone to wake up one day and
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put a mask on and go with pedobro. But yeah,
there's a hard one, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah it's very hard, very hard subject. So while you're inside,
did that make you want to change your life? When
you got out? Were you thinking about changing when you
were inside?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I just wanted to fight. I'd always train, I'd already
had like a few keep boxing fights. I was getting
ready for professional Like I said before, Angelo Hider and
Danny Green were at the gym and that was, you know,
obviously inspiring and we had a lot of good fighters.
And when this guy came along, in fact, I was
sort of getting away from it all. I was leaving
the club on good terms because I wanted to pursue
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professional boxing. I was getting ready for fight and this guy,
because he set us up in that, That's how I
ended up getting done because I fought with my heart
and not with my head. That's how they got me.
And then I really wanted to keep fighting. I want
to have that professional boxing fight now because it was
in my head and when I was in prison, that
was my main goal. And that's what I did. Man.
I trained for hours and hours and hours. I run
the gym in there, I started a boxing program in there.
(25:50):
It's the first ever had a Casarina prison, and that
was just yeah, I was just on the phone age
I hired all the time, and you know, all I
want to do was fight when I got out, and
that's what I did where I got out, and all
I've done is for it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Before we move on to your boxing, and all like that,
is this true that you were on the Australia's wanted list.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
No, I thought that's bullshit, man, It's just bullshit. I
was in Queensland with my children. I had my Apple
iPhone in my shorts, and that they were like he
was trying to get away, like they're making out, like
they had me at gunpoint fucking leaving the country. That's
all bullshit. But I was in service, fucking parwad of
us right because of an accusation. Someone got found with
drugs and because he said to the police that he
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was holding it for me. They had a warrant from
my arrest, so they already knew about this in Queensland.
I already said to me, no problem, I will come
in and I was willingly coming back to Perth. I've
just been in the theme park, had my Apple wife
on me. It was in contact with them, was in
contact with the lawyers about fucking meeting with them, and
then they fucking.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
They put all that on the news.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I had no footage of that because they just put
it on the news. I had footage of me at
the airport with them, no footage of me fucking running
onto a fucking plane. Almost on my way out, Bro,
I fucking walked up to him, Brough, I met up.
I fucking caught up with them, handed myself in to
come back to Perth. Bro. Wow. So but they put
on the news it's all fucking bullsh. I wasn't the
most wanted broke with talk like I don't know how
(27:06):
much it was. It was like a kill like saying
fucking small, Bro. They just made it all big because
of who I am. Bro. It was fucking a small
amount which has been It.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Was just bullshit.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's what the media do, Bro, that's what the media do.
They love to spend bullshit.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So tell me about the starts of your when you
got out of jail and the start.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Of your like getting pro and all like that. How
did you start all that off?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Mate? The Perth Commission right made it real hard for
me because I was in prison. I was arguing that
I wasn't in prison for hurting anyone innocent, so you know,
but they didn't let me fight for like three years
or some shit. And then when I finally could fight,
I had four fights. And then because it went on
the news and this and that, they stopped me from
fighting again because they said it looked bad for the
(27:49):
sport whatever. So I was like, fuck, is I won't
fight perfectain, you know, So I went to back then,
I think maybe Adelaide or Queensland, and I fought in
the other states before I fought in the other countries
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Wow, you still get like, even though that you could
be going back to Perth to fight in the future,
do you get a hostile reception from the Perth government.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I don't really know, man. When I was in Perth,
it was just like at Metro City Nightclub and I
had a good crowd there that all my supporters and
that I'm not really sure mate, I'll know if I fight.
I mean, I should be fighting at rac Arena. I
never want to fight in Perth again. Not because of
the people. I'd love to fight in front of my
fans and the people in that. It was because of
the whole horror of the whole Perth Commission and what
(28:32):
they put me through in that. But now obviously this
is a massive offer, it's a massive fight. It's sort
of you know, it was a real hard you know,
do I do it? Because my morals didn't want to
do it. And then obviously I put thought into it
and decided yeah, I'll do it. And then when I
said yeah, you got the Perth Commission trying to stop
it again, so which is really wrong because who the
fucker lady is site in their chairs and stop a
man from making money for his family, you know? Correct?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So tell me about the fight that didn't go your
way because I read about it with the judges.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
There was some scandal with the judges.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So I think I would have been what fourteen and
thirty and I fought Entilan had a fair bit and
their best like boxer fighter is a guy called Simon Coole.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He's ninety nine wins WBC World champion.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
If I had a big story he got out of
prison from becoming a world champion because they do that
in Thailand. You can fight your way to prison, and
he was he was like the first to do it.
So there's a story there. But he's a legend in Thailand.
His father he's like runs the commission or saying that
they judges and all sorts of they run their own gym,
they run their own fights. So anyway, I fought him
at Lupeni Stadium with one hand. He was a bit older.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I was at that point in my career where I
had to fight a next legend.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Who's a bit older. That's just where I was at.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I was at the fifteen fight pop point of my
career where you know, so that was him, great boxer
obviously and things like that. I thought him at Loopeni,
which is like, you know, the historical stadium in Thailand.
Everyone told me not to do it Angelo, you know,
and that were like, don't you're fucking crazy, You're mad.
You know, this guy's had five hundred fights in other
like being called kick box here, and he's never even
in training.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
He's never been dropped.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He's like a got a mythical name like jade Head
because he's never ever been dropped. So they knew that
this would probably go all the way. I had no
right hand as well. It was a very weird fucking fight, man.
So the week before the fight was supposed to be
an Australian judge, a tire judge, and another judge from
somewhere else, and that changed day by fucking day where
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end up being three tire judges, and then a day
before the fight, they said he has to be eighty
three kilos. He can't make seventy nine. This is for
a world title, a city world title, but a world title.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I thought, WBF.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I dodn't understand the different world titles. I thought, fuck ye,
it's a world titled. I didn't realize there's good ones
and shit ones. But anyway, So what happened was the
day before the fight, I was with Steven Wills. I
was with a guy for Poor Windsor, who runs like
one of the bigger gyms in Bangkok, the Box. You know.
He even said, he goes, I've been in Thailand ten years, bro,
I've seen some weird shit. Man, I've never seen it
this weird. So day before the fight, I was like,
(30:53):
all right, whatever eighty three. So I had to go
to the gym at five in the morning. I made
weight seventy nine and then he was eighty three. Showed
me I well a bit above. And then they've changed
the scales. The WBF come and they fucked it up.
They changed it like too much, so he dropped to
like seven kilos, which looks stupid. So you got the
promoter's assistant because the WBA for like, what's going on?
(31:15):
He can't be sad you know, and the guy go
he's like it okay, it's okay, and they've fucking stepped
on the scales while he's on the scales with their.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Foot and they've pushed up. See yeah it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
They pushed it up to like seventy six or seventy seven.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Or whatever, and then they're like it's okay. It's again.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
They just looked at me it's okay, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever,
it's okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
And it was just fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Everyone day by day was like, do not fucking fight
anyway they're supposed to be at this stage. It changed day,
but I think it was like an Aussie judge and
two high judges by now, and then when I got there,
it was just fucking three TI judges. Obviously if you
watched the fight. I don't know if you've watched that one.
Every round, like you've got these fights where they're close
and people can plain or there's a couple of rounds
in it, but this was like I won every single
fucking round and it's just yeah, and everyone knows it. Anyway.
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I reviewed it straight away. They got five judges around
the World reviewed it said yeah, I am one unanimously,
but they could only change it to a no contest,
which I think is fucker bullshit. They changed it no contests,
but they've sent it to the review, to the tire commission.
Who's their family again, and they can just fucking sit
on it until the day I die. If they want,
they have to put it forward, but they can just say, oh, yeah,
(32:20):
we haven't checked it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
They need to put in. They still haven't.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So I had a couple more fights and I ended
up fighting in Turkey. It was supposed to be for
a WBC Silver title, which is like the one before
WC World. I was fighting this guy from like an
African country. He was like seventeen wins and a couple
of losses or saying. And then a day before the fight,
they're like, it couldn't get him, but you can fight
Seramon Goal again because this Turkey is promoter was from
(32:45):
Ty and I said. At first I was like, no,
fuck that, and then I turned around. I said I
will fight him in one condition that his father or
the family. They honored the review and I've got it
all in fucking writing. I've still got it. And they
said yeah, okay, Bill, and also I want neutral judges,
you know, and whatever. And then so I ended up
fighting him in Turkey and I beat him every round again,
I won the world title, another shitty one. And then
(33:08):
they still haven't fucking on the review. If you look
at box right, they still haven't fucking It's still fifteen
and fucking one, which I tell everyone I'm a fifteen
I'm really I'm a six den no fighter because I am,
because I've got the review and it's like, I know
it doesn't mean much people like what you know, but
to me, obviously, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I didn't think they could sit on it for that
long viral, So they can sit on it for as
long as they want.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I don't know, I'll work shit out.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I was like, I've spoken to managers, promoters, I know,
and they go manage because the fight happened in Thailand,
so it's.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Just it's all bullshit. But everything's all bullshit anyway, you know?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Does that put you off boxing a bit?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
With but like it's in every sports, I guess, But
does it put you off knowing that if you go
to someone else's country or an opponent's country, you know
that this shit's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I can't really complain about it because I got told
with everyone ting I'm the creative of my own chaos.
So like people tell me, then I do something, and
then I get in trouble for it, and then I
complain about it, you know. So it's like I can
keep doing the professional boxing, which is what I wanted.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I was it's a hard way.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I was happy to keep going to other people's countries,
probably getting robbed, you know, I would have had to
have another ten more fights to fight, you know, the
best in the world, that which is what I want.
But this influenced boxing thing, it's happened by accident, and
now I fight a few influencers. I'll make a big name,
and they're not gonna fight the best in the world.
So not that I wasn't gonna happy to go down
the hard road, obviously I was. I was doing it,
but this is just you know, at my age, I
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want to fight the best in the world. Now, not
in you know, because that would take another three or
four years the other room. So now hopefully I've to
do it over the next year.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Now, So tell me, tell me about Tommy Fury.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What's going on there because I've seen it call him
out well to me. To me, it looks like he's
fucking running.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So that happened by accident. Man, I've met people in Thailand.
I met Scouss in Thailand. I met guy called John Gillies. Yeah,
he's a great, great fucking man, well respected over there.
I was talking to him and then someone made like
a fan like post of me fighting Tommy Fury. So
this happened by accident. This is a few months ago,
(35:00):
and it had like.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Fucking you had a few million views.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And then obviously Darren Till Tommy fur eything happened where
he pulled out. So John Gillies is close to down.
He trained him as a kid, and John knows me
and he's asked me if I want to fight Darren
Because of the Tommy Fiery thing, that post went up
those negotiations where Mick Francis from Tasmin Fighters, he was
talking to Spencer.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Brown and that about Tommy and then they offered me.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Darren Til from that. So that's how it all started
for me. And then I didn't get the Darren fight
except that it was going to go through, and then
we became friends and then John got me over there
through one of one of Darren's managers actually, and then
so on. You know, that was months ago now and
then my story is obviously now that all that's happened
and misfits and this and that, now people are asking
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about pot and that's sort of how my story goes.
People knew my story in Australia, but Australia don't really
like a good story, you know. But in the UK
they embrace it. Man, what a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Can make your name for it, and then the UK
you can make your name bigger.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Than what it is. But by all these controversile stories
that you can have.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's actually crazy because I'm living it at the moment. Man.
I've been here for you know, a couple of times
out of the last few months, in the UK and
Ireland and Scotland, and it's crazy, like it's not such
a bad feeling, you know either.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, So that Tommy ever get back to you about
trying to face him or did he not reply.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I've spoken to all the other people, but Tommy doesn't speak.
They're they're weird, man, they're weird ones. I don't speak,
you know, you don't really know what's going on. His
people were speaking of my people, I guess, and I
did what I was told, Like people told me off
from out and do this and that misfits you know,
the people who signed, and they all wanted to fight.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
He is a weird character.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Man, You don't know what the fuck's going on, the
fact that he wasn't saying much, I thought like there
was a stage there where, like you know, he had
the son and the mirror and all media people like
hammering him about it, and the fact he wasn't saying no,
I thought, fuck, this cunt's going to take the fight,
because if you're getting hammered and you can't, like I
got told, he'd get a coffee and people would be,
you know, asking you find the Aussie, you'd think the fact,
(37:01):
you know, you'd say, eventually do it like a you
do something saying look I'm not you know a lot
of people probably call him out. He's not a door
for each person. But this was big man, Like this
was on every fucking news article, like he was getting hammd.
You thought it got to be like, look, it's not happening.
You know, he didn't bro so and the people also
going to were like just leave it. I wanted to
fight other people because it was like I was just
can't be bothered fucking And now I don't really give
(37:21):
a fuck if he fights me not because now it's
like I'm getting off of big fights now, bigger than
him to me. Now, like he just thought, fucking the shit,
he's got a bad name here, man. No one's didn't
seen the fighters that bad. Now, that probably would have
cost him money, wouldn't have made money off of that.
So now it's like I'm fighting on misfits. I'm fighting
at O two. You know I'm fighting. I'm probably gonna
headline RC. Now it's like fucking he's gonna have to
(37:43):
want to fight, you know, that's he's gonna be lucky.
I'm a fiftheen no fighter, Like That's how I look
at it.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So because he used to be a sparting partner for
Lucas Brown.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yet Lucas is a good friend of mine. He used
to help run my gym, and you know, we don't
in Western Australia.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
It's hard to get sparring. And he's obviously one.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Hundred and fucking twenty three heavyweight world champion and I'm
an eighty kilo fighter, but yeah, we did. Man, there
was I was his only sparring partner. I think I
was his only smarting partner for a few of his fights,
and he was my my sparing partner. So you know,
we've done thousands of rounds. Very good friend of mine.
We still speak all the time. He is going to
be doing the band knuckle, hopefully the same night as me,
(38:21):
and he'll be great because we've never fought. We've been
at each other's fights a lot of each other's fights,
but we've never fought together on the same night.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So tell me about your future fights.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So you're going to go into a new band knuckles
thing now for you out out of boxing, but you're
still going to keep doing boxing, correct.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean, I'm probably a better bandknuckle fighter. I probably
will be better ban knuckle fighter than boxer because of
all the street fighting. I still when you watch me box,
you know people watching and it looks weird and awkward.
It's because of the streets, you know, and things like that.
But my goal was to become the best at boxing,
and I'm very stubborn and gold driven. So I'm only
doing the band knuckle because it's a big opportunity and
(38:58):
it will get me what I want in boxing, So
hopefully it's the only one, because I want to fight
the best or in box.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Maybe after that I'll go back to the bout.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I don't know. If it wasn't this fight and the
offer that it is and and where it is and things,
I wouldn't be doing it. So I will be going
straight to boxing a week later. I mean, I'm fighting
at O two, like the biggest, one of the biggest
rounders in the world, a week later in a boxing match.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So so tell me about your opponents and the band knockle.
Has that been a rain shit or it's all sort.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Of yes, yes, Aaron Timers. Is that Georgie Shaw, guy
Fort Floyd Maywether? You know that was obviously to me
and and things like that, and all the boys here
where I'm sparring on them and that. Everyone said I'm
going to smash them, and I'm going to smash them,
and it's just the money fight. It's at home. It's
going to do what I want for boxing, I think.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And you'll pursue that after it too for a second
face and third fight.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, No, I'm only going to be boxing after this
fight and then and then if I mean, if I
get offered something crazy again, I'll do it. Obviously I'm
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
But I want you want to concentrate on boxing, on boxing. Yeah,
so tell me about your your next fight in boxing?
Who's that against in the UK?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I'm fighting this X Factor he's had, like I don't know,
he made the finals an X Factor. He made his
name big from that a few years ago, and now
he's boxing. He's fought I think seven people, he's knocked
them all out. But they're all influencers. I know that
it's going to be an easy fight, but that's just
what the influence boxing is. And I'm not going to
be taking it easy because he's you know, because of that.
(40:25):
So they fight six days after my banduck will fight
and I'm not worried, and it's going to be a
three day fucking flight, this and that. But it doesn't
matter because he hasn't he's been boxing for a few years,
but he's not well, you know, he's not.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, So what's what's your what's your main goal?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Like, what what's your what you want to achieve in
the next two years? Say, let's give a two year goal.
What what's the what's you want to go?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I want to fight the best in the world, man.
I want to fight, whether it's Canelo or someone like that.
I want to fight the best in the world in boxing,
and I want to approve it to myself.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Any regrets.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
In life, I tell I tell people not to have
any regrets, so I can't really say I have any regrets.
I try not to have any regrets. What you asked before,
I'll touch on that. I am doing the influence boxing
also because my number one reason is because I fight
a lot for men's mental health. Because I was in
(41:19):
juvenile in out of prison abuse. I think I touched
on man's mental health. I feel like I'm shown you know,
kids that say they've got abuse, or in juvenile, in prison,
or yeah, even someone that's in jail right now that's
twenty five. I feel like I can show I touched
on all of it. I show all them that this
can be done because I remember sitting in that cell
and everyone telling me I couldn't do it, you know,
(41:39):
and things like that, and I want all these people.
I feel like it's very important. So that's my number
one reason. That's why I'm doing the Influence Boxing because
I'm reaching that platform. I'm out of reach and talk
about it. I'm od to talk to you about what
I just talked about before. I can do all them
things now on the Influence platform, but myself, So that's
number one my selfish reasons for myself is I want
to fight the best in the world for myself, you know.
(42:00):
So that's yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So you're going to be located in UK, you reckon
for all your fights.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Now it's looking that way. I'm in crumbling at the moment.
Training with Philip Starcliffe, who looked after a lot of
you know, big names, obviously looked after ECONOMC Gregor and
is great here man. My mom's from Ireland, she was
born here. I've met family here. I've spent a lot
of time in the UK and here now and I
just feel at home. Phil has been looking after me.
(42:29):
I have to come home now just to fucking sit
in front of the PERF Commission so they can sit
in their curls chairs and tell me whether I'm allowed
to make money or not. And then I'm going to
come back again, come back to Perth fight and go
straight to London and fight and then keep going like that.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
But yeah, most of my training will be over here.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Well before we go, can you describe yourself to me
in one or two words? What you think of yourself?
And like, what would you describe yourself in one word
or two.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Yeah, I feel like I'm just trying to do the
best I can.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Man say, you're a survivor, a survivor, I'm RESI yeah, yeah, reason,
that's a good that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well, I want to I want I want to say
thank you Matt for coming on. It's been an interesting
journey of yours and a very interesting story, and you've
come through it and now you're going to shine in
the next couple of years and hopefully become a title holder.
So I wish you all the best, and I hope
to keep in touch and I'll help promote you whatever
way I can from this part of the world.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Anyway, no person of all, thanks having me many h
m
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Hm
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