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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche production, Well, what kind of pain would you like?
Would you get pain or would you give the pain?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Give and take? I would switch. But when later when
I worked as a dominatrix, now I was just full dominatrix.
Won't be Once in a while, I would allow myself
to get whipped.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But I was whipped and was just the final show
and nothing else, Like there's no other pain. That's the
most pain. You got whipped or you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh that electricity? Of course?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Electricity? Yeah, what do you mean by let you see?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh? I used to attach little stuff to me really yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was was that to get them off or to
justl you off my private life really yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And this is when the guys were not there at
the time, so I'd be connecting it to me and
just going higher and higher. You know. It's almost like
how the emos cut themselves to feel. That's almost what
it was like. Because I was on so much medication
at the time. I had depressed and developing over the time,
and the amount of medication that I was on was
even part of my name. Contessa doll dollars, you know,
(01:11):
is another name for pills, So that's what my name
came from. I was on so much meds, tranquilizers and
antidepressants and that that I couldn't feel pain after a while.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But you're also saying that you because you were on
so much meds that you didn't know what you were
doing sometimes you know.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, No, I was very coherent exactly what I was doing.
But I just could electricity. How you get off on that?
It was just there's a gets to a point of
pain where it becomes euphoric.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And that's what a lot of these men are chasing.
Is that euphoric feeling of pain. Yeah, but you're asking
for the pain. I thought you were giving it. Yeah,
I'm giving it, but I'm also from my.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What's the worst pain you gave someone?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I've got videos if you want to see the video.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I still got the video.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I like, if I ever want to write a book.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
At least.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
One guy came there and he was a sex addict
and he needed the pain and he wanted his private
area electrocuted. So I would attach pads to his balls
and put a rod inside his urethra.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Say again, yeah a rod, yeah, in.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The sounding rod inside is urethra, and I would just
toast the hell out of him, and I swear it
used to smell at bacon in that room afterwards when
I was done with him, and this guy would get
off on it and ejaculate.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How long would you do that for? Like?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How until he ejaculated? Which would be what?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Like how long you're talking?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
The session was like an hour?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like this guy? It turned purple after a while. It
turned into a giant aren't after a while, and a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Men he walks away happy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Really, they all walked away really happy.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's what he's come for, Yes, to be hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Because a lot of these men are so wealthy that
sex doesn't turn them on anymore. And they would tell
me sex doesn't turn me on. Women don't turn me
on because they've lived this high dopamine life that only
pain gets them off.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Now are these normal people? Like yeah, you would not
even make talking like lawyers and doctors and shame.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And one pastor not past up with a priest. Really Yeah,
he couldn't have sex, of course, so he thought the
loophole was to get pain.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yes, what was his pain? Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
He was into everything perverted.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, perverted? Yeah, yeah, but he was Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He also had a, I don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
On the switch.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He had a what he was branded by another dominatrix
on his penis really in his own country. He was
from overseas and she branded her initials into his penis.
Oh my, so it was property of so and so
in there. Wow, And I just kept thinking, dude, go
have sex. You're going to kill yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
What was Jesus? I want him on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To Yeah, he cried the day that he had to
go back. I remember came to visit me at work
and he was holding on to me crying, I'm going
to miss you so much. I'm like you, Jesus.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Sounds like you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh I did for a while. It next made me
see human nature in a different way.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did you like giving the paint?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Did you like pain or giving it or take an it?
What was the best for you?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Ah? Of course giving. Does he kind of really get
to know the person?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah? No, But it's watching them suffer. I don't know
if I could do that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Some of them. The thing is with BDSM, you only
stop when they say mercy okay, and it's discussed beforehands
Like a lot of guys would say don't touch my
penis because it'll turn me off. And then you cannot
break those boundaries at all. If he says, yeah, stop,
leave me alone, don't help, don't because I did that
once because I thought the guy was really really unhappy,
(04:54):
and then he lost it at me. Yeah, he said,
I didn't say mercy, did I. I've ruined the mood
and everything, so he want.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
To keep going. What would you do to him? Can
you remember?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think it was a fisting session which was so fisting, yeah,
which was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah the back side.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, what the.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Men doing the fisting? That's what the sex leaves said
to me.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Too, I'm telling you. In b D s M, every
second guy wanted an anal session. Every second guy it
would come there and say they want something in their ars.
I'm like, okay, really, you put your fist off their fist,
finger toys, everything, anal hawks, the works, your fist up
to my elbow sage. You want to see the video?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh my god? Wow. I had to get promote the
episode with that. With that video, I had gloves.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know for the cows that you get from the yeah,
but they used for the cows when they Yeah, I
had those.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And it went to your elbow. Yes, how the fun
can you get our way? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I could the video. I didn't hold back. This guy
had a lot put up there and a lot of
guys needed that as well, like I didn't think someone
needed it, and a lot of there was a few guys.
I'm not laughing. I'm not shaming them that were born
with an inverted penis, which means it's facing inside the
body and they can't really get off, They can't really
(06:27):
up sex, so you had has to go from inside there.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Anus fucking hell when the fucking kind of wims wow,
Because I'm just it's funny you're saying all this because
I've just got an invitation because of the Sex Live
episode that I did in Melbourne. They've reached out to
me now and I can go into a fetish house. Okay,
And I don't know what I'm going in for here
(06:51):
because they says they they'll come on the podcast and
to do an interview. But what is a fucking fetish house?
Do you know? Have you ever been to one? Yeah?
What's a fetish house?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Just a lot of different toys around. Everyone's kind of
a yeah to one yes everything to a lot of
fetish parties, fetish housers, dungeons.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Wow, you look so sweetening, and.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So do a lot of dominatrixes outside of work. You
wouldn't think that sweet old granny that was walking into
the building was actually one of the fiercest dominatrixes out there.
I think what you needed to be a dominatrix.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Is not when someone's personality really comes out, is he?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
From what I was told by the owner of the place,
the best dominatrixes have empathy because they can read a
situation and they know when to stop, pull back or
two thank you kind of a psychopath doing the job,
because they would kill the person. So you've got to
know what amount of pressure to use, or when to stop,
or when to go harder. So I think that's what
just towards the end, I got very popular because I
(07:50):
knew how to use that. I had a lot of
repeat clients as well. They would always come back every week.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I can see how much like you're trying to keep
the smile, but much you enjoyed it, How can you like,
surely then how can you beat that? If you're into
all this kind of stuff and sexual wise, really, to me,
sex wouldn't do it for you. I wasn't having sex
(08:18):
after you went, so there's no sex. He was just
beat it like campaign, that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A lot of guys that want that. It's very rarely
that someone would want full service afterwards. If they wanted it,
they wanted it. If they yeah, they'd pay extra. But
a lot it was just even in my private life.
I was going home alone. Maybe once in a while
I just see a guy that I was filming with,
But other than that, no, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You miss that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do you miss it or you don't miss it? Just
being around people and getting to know them like that,
because I really got to understand men in a different way.
Like they biggest, most scariest men would come there and
just slip the mask, slip and just tell me, this
is why I'm getting it done. This is why I
need to get it done.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I couldn't, like I can't even picture it, Like yeah,
to me, maybe I'm just fucking bored. I just don't. Yeah,
Like that's just a new will to me that, you
know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's wow, I just after I was never one of
those little you know, those dominatrixes that just give them
a bit of a smack on the bomb and say
you naughty boy. I got into the hardcore new degree.
Worst of the worst was.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It was a bit like before you ever did it
and you did your first want, were you kind of
like nervous to do it or you're.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Just yes, oh yeah. They just said, okay, this guy's
into cock and bull torture, ball torture. Yeah. And I
had to go in there and I was like, okay, heah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Now what so what did you have to do for
cock and bull torture?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I just I did not know what to do. I
tried a moose around his penis. I kicked him between
the legs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What you kicked him? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A few times you.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Actually kicked him. How hard you talk?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
We took quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, And that's what he wanted you to do. Kive
me the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And later on I realized there's more that I could
have done, Like what, oh, there's I could have used.
I could have used the sounding rods, I could have
done anything else electrically.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You have the run of the thing to do what
you want to give him pain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Later on, when I worked at another establishment because that
one closed down and straight away this other establishment said
we need you here because of my clients. Hell because
we have these sorts of men that are coming here
and finding the services, and we don't can't find a dominatrix.
At the time I was I didn't look like a
standard dominatrix. No you don't, but most of them were
(10:36):
two days, most of them were scary, and I kind
of had the little blo a girl thing going on.
So I came and worked today, and then I would
speak to the guy's face and say, Okay, what do
you want and how hard do you want it? And
I make them point to the equipment that they want
to use.
Approche production, Well, what kind of pain would you like?
Would you get pain or would you give the pain?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Give and take? I would switch. But when later when
I worked as a dominatrix, now I was just full dominatrix.
Won't be Once in a while, I would allow myself
to get whipped.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But I was whipped and was just the final show
and nothing else, Like there's no other pain. That's the
most pain. You got whipped or you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh that electricity? Of course?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Electricity? Yeah, what do you mean by let you see?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh? I used to attach little stuff to me really yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was was that to get them off or to
justl you off my private life really yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And this is when the guys were not there at
the time, so I'd be connecting it to me and
just going higher and higher. You know. It's almost like
how the emos cut themselves to feel. That's almost what
it was like. Because I was on so much medication
at the time. I had depressed and developing over the time,
and the amount of medication that I was on was
even part of my name. Contessa doll dollars, you know,
(01:11):
is another name for pills, So that's what my name
came from. I was on so much meds, tranquilizers and
antidepressants and that that I couldn't feel pain after a while.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But you're also saying that you because you were on
so much meds that you didn't know what you were
doing sometimes you know.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, No, I was very coherent exactly what I was doing.
But I just could electricity. How you get off on that?
It was just there's a gets to a point of
pain where it becomes euphoric.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And that's what a lot of these men are chasing.
Is that euphoric feeling of pain. Yeah, but you're asking
for the pain. I thought you were giving it. Yeah,
I'm giving it, but I'm also from my.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What's the worst pain you gave someone?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I've got videos if you want to see the video.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I still got the video.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I like, if I ever want to write a book.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
At least.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
One guy came there and he was a sex addict
and he needed the pain and he wanted his private
area electrocuted. So I would attach pads to his balls
and put a rod inside his urethra.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Say again, yeah a rod, yeah, in.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The sounding rod inside is urethra, and I would just
toast the hell out of him, and I swear it
used to smell at bacon in that room afterwards when
I was done with him, and this guy would get
off on it and ejaculate.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How long would you do that for? Like?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How until he ejaculated? Which would be what?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Like how long you're talking?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
The session was like an hour?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like this guy? It turned purple after a while. It
turned into a giant aren't after a while, and a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Men he walks away happy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Really, they all walked away really happy.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's what he's come for, Yes, to be hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Because a lot of these men are so wealthy that
sex doesn't turn them on anymore. And they would tell
me sex doesn't turn me on. Women don't turn me
on because they've lived this high dopamine life that only
pain gets them off.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Now are these normal people? Like yeah, you would not
even make talking like lawyers and doctors and shame.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And one pastor not past up with a priest. Really Yeah,
he couldn't have sex, of course, so he thought the
loophole was to get pain.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yes, what was his pain? Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
He was into everything perverted.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, perverted? Yeah, yeah, but he was Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He also had a, I don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
On the switch.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He had a what he was branded by another dominatrix
on his penis really in his own country. He was
from overseas and she branded her initials into his penis.
Oh my, so it was property of so and so
in there. Wow, And I just kept thinking, dude, go
have sex. You're going to kill yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
What was Jesus? I want him on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To Yeah, he cried the day that he had to
go back. I remember came to visit me at work
and he was holding on to me crying, I'm going
to miss you so much. I'm like you, Jesus.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Sounds like you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh I did for a while. It next made me
see human nature in a different way.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did you like giving the paint?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Did you like pain or giving it or take an it?
What was the best for you?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Ah? Of course giving. Does he kind of really get
to know the person?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah? No, But it's watching them suffer. I don't know
if I could do that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Some of them. The thing is with BDSM, you only
stop when they say mercy okay, and it's discussed beforehands
Like a lot of guys would say don't touch my
penis because it'll turn me off. And then you cannot
break those boundaries at all. If he says, yeah, stop,
leave me alone, don't help, don't because I did that
once because I thought the guy was really really unhappy,
(04:54):
and then he lost it at me. Yeah, he said,
I didn't say mercy, did I. I've ruined the mood
and everything, so he want.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
To keep going. What would you do to him? Can
you remember?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think it was a fisting session which was so fisting, yeah,
which was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah the back side.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, what the.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Men doing the fisting? That's what the sex leaves said
to me.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Too, I'm telling you. In b D s M, every
second guy wanted an anal session. Every second guy it
would come there and say they want something in their ars.
I'm like, okay, really, you put your fist off their fist,
finger toys, everything, anal hawks, the works, your fist up
to my elbow sage. You want to see the video?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh my god? Wow. I had to get promote the
episode with that. With that video, I had gloves.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know for the cows that you get from the yeah,
but they used for the cows when they Yeah, I
had those.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And it went to your elbow. Yes, how the fun
can you get our way? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I could the video. I didn't hold back. This guy
had a lot put up there and a lot of
guys needed that as well, like I didn't think someone
needed it, and a lot of there was a few guys.
I'm not laughing. I'm not shaming them that were born
with an inverted penis, which means it's facing inside the
body and they can't really get off, They can't really
(06:27):
up sex, so you had has to go from inside there.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Anus fucking hell when the fucking kind of wims wow,
Because I'm just it's funny you're saying all this because
I've just got an invitation because of the Sex Live
episode that I did in Melbourne. They've reached out to
me now and I can go into a fetish house. Okay,
And I don't know what I'm going in for here
(06:51):
because they says they they'll come on the podcast and
to do an interview. But what is a fucking fetish house?
Do you know? Have you ever been to one? Yeah?
What's a fetish house?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Just a lot of different toys around. Everyone's kind of
a yeah to one yes everything to a lot of
fetish parties, fetish housers, dungeons.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Wow, you look so sweetening, and.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So do a lot of dominatrixes outside of work. You
wouldn't think that sweet old granny that was walking into
the building was actually one of the fiercest dominatrixes out there.
I think what you needed to be a dominatrix.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Is not when someone's personality really comes out, is he?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
From what I was told by the owner of the place,
the best dominatrixes have empathy because they can read a
situation and they know when to stop, pull back or
two thank you kind of a psychopath doing the job,
because they would kill the person. So you've got to
know what amount of pressure to use, or when to stop,
or when to go harder. So I think that's what
just towards the end, I got very popular because I
(07:50):
knew how to use that. I had a lot of
repeat clients as well. They would always come back every week.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I can see how much like you're trying to keep
the smile, but much you enjoyed it, How can you like,
surely then how can you beat that? If you're into
all this kind of stuff and sexual wise, really, to me,
sex wouldn't do it for you. I wasn't having sex
(08:18):
after you went, so there's no sex. He was just
beat it like campaign, that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A lot of guys that want that. It's very rarely
that someone would want full service afterwards. If they wanted it,
they wanted it. If they yeah, they'd pay extra. But
a lot it was just even in my private life.
I was going home alone. Maybe once in a while
I just see a guy that I was filming with,
But other than that, no, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You miss that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do you miss it or you don't miss it? Just
being around people and getting to know them like that,
because I really got to understand men in a different way.
Like they biggest, most scariest men would come there and
just slip the mask, slip and just tell me, this
is why I'm getting it done. This is why I
need to get it done.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I couldn't, like I can't even picture it, Like yeah,
to me, maybe I'm just fucking bored. I just don't. Yeah,
Like that's just a new will to me that, you
know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's wow, I just after I was never one of
those little you know, those dominatrixes that just give them
a bit of a smack on the bomb and say
you naughty boy. I got into the hardcore new degree.
Worst of the worst was.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It was a bit like before you ever did it
and you did your first want, were you kind of
like nervous to do it or you're.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Just yes, oh yeah. They just said, okay, this guy's
into cock and bull torture, ball torture. Yeah. And I
had to go in there and I was like, okay, heah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Now what so what did you have to do for
cock and bull torture?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I just I did not know what to do. I
tried a moose around his penis. I kicked him between
the legs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What you kicked him? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A few times you.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Actually kicked him. How hard you talk?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
We took quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, And that's what he wanted you to do. Kive
me the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And later on I realized there's more that I could
have done, Like what, oh, there's I could have used.
I could have used the sounding rods, I could have
done anything else electrically.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You have the run of the thing to do what
you want to give him pain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Later on, when I worked at another establishment because that
one closed down and straight away this other establishment said
we need you here because of my clients. Hell because
we have these sorts of men that are coming here
and finding the services, and we don't can't find a dominatrix.
At the time I was I didn't look like a
standard dominatrix. No you don't, but most of them were
(10:36):
two days, most of them were scary, and I kind
of had the little blo a girl thing going on.
So I came and worked today, and then I would
speak to the guy's face and say, Okay, what do
you want and how hard do you want it? And
I make them point to the equipment that they want
to use.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!