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Here's a rewind from Season 9 when Neil spoke to Natascha Consigli, a seasoned partier to stripper/model through to air hostess and eventually a convicted drug dealer.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Apoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we moved to Townsville and I got clean and
he just wouldn't right, So he was telling me that
I need to get clean.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It was just this fucking mess.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And it was almost like the most messiest human being
that I've ever been with was the one that just
kept knocking on my door own ganteah, you need to change.
Something needs to change, and you need to change it.
I'm like, well, you need to come with me, right.
So I was still trying to make somebody else responsible
for it, and then one day I was sitting in
(00:47):
fucking Bentley in this girl's house who I brey knew,
who had stolen my handbag with all my jewelry in it,
my fucking passports, my everything. She took everything of mine
while I was asleep on the couch without a blanket.
And I woke up and I sat there and I
didn't even need to in the mirror. I just knew
that this is not where I wanted to be. And
(01:08):
I looked around me, and the night before there'd been
all these other people there, and I just these people
don't have a different life, and I don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What the fuck am I doing? Wake up? For yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So with my two dollars fifty on my card that
I still had, I got on a fucking train. I
went home to my unit with which I had with
my eggs, and I sat down and I went, I
locked that. Actually I locked myself in the bedroom. I
didn't talk to him or anything because we fucking we'd
punching on and all.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Sorts of stuff. So it was really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I rang Mom here and she's in She moved
from Newtown to Wollongong ten years ago, and I said, Mom,
I've got to come home. And for me, that was
if I ever made the choice to reach out to
my family, that was it. There's no going back, there's
no half passing this shit. You've got to fucking make
a change. And I'm in my late forties and I'm like,
(01:59):
fucking what am I doing?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I'm either going to die.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm going to die here doing this, and then I'm
going to leave my dad behind. Like all of a sudden,
this this the selfishness that had masked all of this.
Something changed in me and I went, I can't do
that to my father. He's lost two wives because my
stepmom died as well. He can't bury his daughter as well,
Like I've got to at least wait until he you know.
(02:24):
So I did, and I got on the next flight
with my next doll check and went to REHAP down
in Wollongong. And I didn't need to go to stop drugs,
because that wasn't the fucking problem. I needed to go
there to figure out what the fuck made me keep
choosing this stuff and running away from myself, Like what
was I so fucking afraid of? And to be honest,
I was afraid of life, that life was going to
(02:47):
disappoint me, and that if I showed up and I
did life, that I was gonna, you know, it was
gonna get taken away from you again, that I was
going to lose everything, and that, you know, that easy
option of wanting someone else to fix you and fix
what's going on inside of you. It's it's not. It
doesn't work that way. I stopped taking drugs in March
twenty nineteen. I moved into my own place in Marilla,
(03:10):
got a unit. I had a job. We shall Harbor
City Council. And you've been a jewel Yeah, I make jewelry.
My real mom who passed was Golden silver spearths. She
left me all this stuff and I've carried that around
the whole of Australia. Here it with me, all these
bits and pieces, and said, one day I'm going to
make jewelry. So when I finally got clean, even just
before that, i'd started tinkering with it, but it wasn't
(03:31):
really and I set up in a month's garage a
little table and I really got into it. I taught
myself how to make stirling silver jewelry and I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's my creative outlet.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I've always been quite creative and this was something that
was missing, a part of my puzzle that was missing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So it brought me a lot of joy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I'd done my hard work and I'd met a
friend and he was like, you need to go to
na right, And he's actually a mentor of mine. He's
an amazing human being. And I was like, okay, sure,
because I was like, I don't fucking go sit with
other people and go this is what happened to me.
I shouldn't mock it. It fucking works for people. It
(04:13):
keeps people clean for many years. But that's how I
felt about it. Right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I was kind of and I was. I don't know.
I kind of didn't feel like I belonged again. My
story was different. But I did.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I went because I decided when I got clean that
I would do everything that My initial is I don't
want to do that, go and do it Tash just once.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I did, and that's where I met oh Man.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, but did he get your back on it?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No? No, no, we both weren't using at all. He
can't use. No, he has one dream.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So we just had this idea that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, no, he's an old gang he's been in jail
before anyway, it's not really his story, but yeah, that's
his whole life story. But he goes to me, I'm
an old gangster. You know, I don't do it anymore.
Then he moved in.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He moved in. I was like, oh my god, this
is so going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you know, the relationship itself, and there was so
much healing for me with He was the kindest guy
in the world. It was just a fucking good bloke
in here. And the men that I dated before they
were all really destructive. They wanted to control me, and
there was all this kind of stuff. You know, I'm
not saying I was miss Goody two shoes at oh,
(05:29):
I was a fucking mess. Hey didn't do any of that,
and it gave me some real space with this new
clarity and all these things that I'd learned about relationships
and how because I sat down and I worked out,
this is what I want my relationship to look like,
this is how I want to show up in this relationship.
These are the boundaries I'm going to set. These are
the conversations I want to have. And I had that
with him for a year. I could do that with him,
and it was great. So you know, in a way
(05:52):
I can say he brought this other thing to my
life that fucking made me wear green, But that's not
his fault. That's what he was going to do. Anyway.
I should have just gone, Nah, that's a fucking big
red flag. How about you move out? Thank you very
much for coming. But no I didn't. Again, the little
girl made a decision because you know, you don't just
heal overnight, you don't undo almost fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did it as a way that well, you know, fucking
make a lot of money here, fucking oath, I could
my life could get back to how it used to be.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, it could it'll be my future and set up.
There's my super innovation. There's my fucking house that I'm
going to live in, do you know what I mean?
So you know, i'd lie if I said it was
about anything else other than the money. And that's all
it was about. You know, they have me on tape
fucking going I'm miscounting the money. They played it in
call whatever it was. It was one of the things. Look,
(06:45):
we moved in together, and I kind of like had
just gone, yeah, I think you're still doing a little
bit of bizo over there, and I don't judge it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then it was just pop so it's just green
and I'm like, that's sweet, okay with that fucking you know,
it's gonna be legalized soon, who cares. And then it
was more, and then it became more and more and more,
and I was kind of like, we sat down and
we had a discussion about it, and I've already gone
to jail for this, so I can talk about it
openly if I want to. We had a discussion about it,
(07:16):
and I said, okay, but you get this time.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Because he had a coin that was a lot we
needed money.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was working I had my phone, so on my
little mission we didn't need anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But he wanted to achieve something that was his goal.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I went, okay, well, you got this time frame and
these are some of the boundaries and the rules, like,
let's have a look at my track record, let's have
a look at yours. I think mine's a little bit better.
Maybe some direction from me might help. Didn't listen just
when he did what he did, and the next minute,
I'm in handcuffs.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Fuck, what did they get you for?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They got me for annoyingly dealing with the proceeds of crime.
So we had almost a million dollars in cash in
a story shed, which they put We were under investigation
for four to five months. The reason why they actually
even found us before we wrapped it up, or before
he wrapped it up, I should.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Say we, I'm saying we. No, I didn't have that much.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sand was a mate of his who he connected with
was under full floats investigation, so they were following him.
I dropped off to that guy, and so I got
also done for. I think it's like four or five
counts of commercial supply as well.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Would you would you were you the driver or the
drop off person or would you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, I just look whenever he wasn't around, when he
was doing something else here in the beginning, I said, no,
so this is like a graduate thing. I'm like, I'm
no fucking way am I having anything to do with this.
I'll fucking count the money. Have you to count the
money and make sure that it's all good. But I
don't want to fucking And then it was kind of please,
I'm not there, can you please? So when okay, yeah,
(08:56):
and then that one time became you know, the next
time and the next time, I don't really fucking I
did care, but I didn't care. There was this It
was this real. It was it was almost like the
universe needed to go.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Cash.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You haven't learned anything. You have to make a fucking
choice here. So you can't sit on the fence with
this stuff. You're either a criminal or you're not.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I am now apparently by the law, but no, not really.
I've always kind of danced around that. So that's not
what I wanted to. I don't want to be a
career criminal. Fuck that, not at fifty not ever. Yeah,
And I truly at the end of the day was
like you still clean. Yeah, now I've been cleaned for
(09:39):
over five.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Years, almost five years, yeah, over five years now.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So what was the downfall?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What could you caught?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Because there was the guy was under investigation. Yeah, so
they were monitoring him. We had bizo with him. They
had like the brief is this fucking beak. They've got
all the phone calls between the two boys, and I
answered the phone a couple of times, so there's that
as well. So they then then they was a full
task force, so they put together a second task for
which then monitor us because they saw Bez he's his name, Sorry, yeah,
(10:09):
I saw bear his name and fucking line up light
up mar because and he was still in parole for
his last lot. They then put trackers, cameras, listening devices
both cars, storage, shed wherever else and they tapped all
the phones.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
So what were you caught with? You said? The million dollars?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, so almost a million in cash and three pounds apart.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And what was the sentence things that you got for that?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So I went to I got two and a half no,
two years six months on the top and I had
to serve fifteen months incarcerated, so no parole. Get he
got ten years six months on the top with six
years and ten months to serve, and a lot later
than me, like I did. I was on home detention
(10:58):
when he got sentenced, okay, and he's been locked off
the whole time. I never swam again. So we got
arrested that day on the sixteenth of December.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Not even caught dates or nothing like that, and never.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
No our CAURT days weren't together.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
What was that feeling when you're when you're when all
that shit went the family, you knew that you were
going inside. How'd you feel then?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Look, I wasn't surprised. I was more worried about the
Were you ready for it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
This time around, like I was more concerned the impact
it was having on those that I loved.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Because I can do anything.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I've done it so much in my life, and it's
just another playground and another new new school. Let you
go to right, God, in prison, it's the same as
being a kid and being shuffled around the world. I
can play in any playground and I could sivive anything,
and if I don't, that's okay. So that's how I
felt about it, And you know, also making that choice
to get involved with him.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I made my peace.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
This could go wrong and the consequences of this are
going to be bigger than anything else. Right, They're not
just small. It's we're not just fucking some fucking bagodobe.
But I was prepared. I didn't know about the process
of court and stuff, so that was really fucking like.
You get arrested, and then what happens next? You get
released on bail? What's next? Oh, you go to court
(12:18):
appearance in a month. Nothing happens at that first court appearance.
It goes on and on and on, and every month
there is a court appearance scheduled, but nothing happens.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No one tells you that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So then I spoke to my lawyer, and I reached
out to other people, and I spoke to you. I
went to informed myself, but not many people can do that,
and I got some a good idea around what was
going to happen. I took to a couple of other
lawyers that wanted to represent me, but I stayed with
a friend of ours who's a lawyer, and it served
me well.
Apoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we moved to Townsville and I got clean and
he just wouldn't right, So he was telling me that
I need to get clean.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It was just this fucking mess.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And it was almost like the most messiest human being
that I've ever been with was the one that just
kept knocking on my door own ganteah, you need to change.
Something needs to change, and you need to change it.
I'm like, well, you need to come with me, right.
So I was still trying to make somebody else responsible
for it, and then one day I was sitting in
(00:47):
fucking Bentley in this girl's house who I brey knew,
who had stolen my handbag with all my jewelry in it,
my fucking passports, my everything. She took everything of mine
while I was asleep on the couch without a blanket.
And I woke up and I sat there and I
didn't even need to in the mirror. I just knew
that this is not where I wanted to be. And
(01:08):
I looked around me, and the night before there'd been
all these other people there, and I just these people
don't have a different life, and I don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What the fuck am I doing? Wake up? For yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So with my two dollars fifty on my card that
I still had, I got on a fucking train. I
went home to my unit with which I had with
my eggs, and I sat down and I went, I
locked that. Actually I locked myself in the bedroom. I
didn't talk to him or anything because we fucking we'd
punching on and all.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Sorts of stuff. So it was really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I rang Mom here and she's in She moved
from Newtown to Wollongong ten years ago, and I said, Mom,
I've got to come home. And for me, that was
if I ever made the choice to reach out to
my family, that was it. There's no going back, there's
no half passing this shit. You've got to fucking make
a change. And I'm in my late forties and I'm like,
(01:59):
fucking what am I doing?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I'm either going to die.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm going to die here doing this, and then I'm
going to leave my dad behind. Like all of a sudden,
this this the selfishness that had masked all of this.
Something changed in me and I went, I can't do
that to my father. He's lost two wives because my
stepmom died as well. He can't bury his daughter as well,
Like I've got to at least wait until he you know.
(02:24):
So I did, and I got on the next flight
with my next doll check and went to REHAP down
in Wollongong. And I didn't need to go to stop drugs,
because that wasn't the fucking problem. I needed to go
there to figure out what the fuck made me keep
choosing this stuff and running away from myself, Like what
was I so fucking afraid of? And to be honest,
I was afraid of life, that life was going to
(02:47):
disappoint me, and that if I showed up and I
did life, that I was gonna, you know, it was
gonna get taken away from you again, that I was
going to lose everything, and that, you know, that easy
option of wanting someone else to fix you and fix
what's going on inside of you. It's it's not. It
doesn't work that way. I stopped taking drugs in March
twenty nineteen. I moved into my own place in Marilla,
(03:10):
got a unit. I had a job. We shall Harbor
City Council. And you've been a jewel Yeah, I make jewelry.
My real mom who passed was Golden silver spearths. She
left me all this stuff and I've carried that around
the whole of Australia. Here it with me, all these
bits and pieces, and said, one day I'm going to
make jewelry. So when I finally got clean, even just
before that, i'd started tinkering with it, but it wasn't
(03:31):
really and I set up in a month's garage a
little table and I really got into it. I taught
myself how to make stirling silver jewelry and I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's my creative outlet.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I've always been quite creative and this was something that
was missing, a part of my puzzle that was missing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So it brought me a lot of joy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I'd done my hard work and I'd met a
friend and he was like, you need to go to
na right, And he's actually a mentor of mine. He's
an amazing human being. And I was like, okay, sure,
because I was like, I don't fucking go sit with
other people and go this is what happened to me.
I shouldn't mock it. It fucking works for people. It
(04:13):
keeps people clean for many years. But that's how I
felt about it. Right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I was kind of and I was. I don't know.
I kind of didn't feel like I belonged again. My
story was different. But I did.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I went because I decided when I got clean that
I would do everything that My initial is I don't
want to do that, go and do it Tash just once.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I did, and that's where I met oh Man.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, but did he get your back on it?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No? No, no, we both weren't using at all. He
can't use. No, he has one dream.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So we just had this idea that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, no, he's an old gang he's been in jail
before anyway, it's not really his story, but yeah, that's
his whole life story. But he goes to me, I'm
an old gangster. You know, I don't do it anymore.
Then he moved in.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He moved in. I was like, oh my god, this
is so going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you know, the relationship itself, and there was so
much healing for me with He was the kindest guy
in the world. It was just a fucking good bloke
in here. And the men that I dated before they
were all really destructive. They wanted to control me, and
there was all this kind of stuff. You know, I'm
not saying I was miss Goody two shoes at oh,
(05:29):
I was a fucking mess. Hey didn't do any of that,
and it gave me some real space with this new
clarity and all these things that I'd learned about relationships
and how because I sat down and I worked out,
this is what I want my relationship to look like,
this is how I want to show up in this relationship.
These are the boundaries I'm going to set. These are
the conversations I want to have. And I had that
with him for a year. I could do that with him,
and it was great. So you know, in a way
(05:52):
I can say he brought this other thing to my
life that fucking made me wear green, But that's not
his fault. That's what he was going to do. Anyway.
I should have just gone, Nah, that's a fucking big
red flag. How about you move out? Thank you very
much for coming. But no I didn't. Again, the little
girl made a decision because you know, you don't just
heal overnight, you don't undo almost fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did it as a way that well, you know, fucking
make a lot of money here, fucking oath, I could
my life could get back to how it used to be.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, it could it'll be my future and set up.
There's my super innovation. There's my fucking house that I'm
going to live in, do you know what I mean?
So you know, i'd lie if I said it was
about anything else other than the money. And that's all
it was about. You know, they have me on tape
fucking going I'm miscounting the money. They played it in
call whatever it was. It was one of the things. Look,
(06:45):
we moved in together, and I kind of like had
just gone, yeah, I think you're still doing a little
bit of bizo over there, and I don't judge it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then it was just pop so it's just green
and I'm like, that's sweet, okay with that fucking you know,
it's gonna be legalized soon, who cares. And then it
was more, and then it became more and more and more,
and I was kind of like, we sat down and
we had a discussion about it, and I've already gone
to jail for this, so I can talk about it
openly if I want to. We had a discussion about it,
(07:16):
and I said, okay, but you get this time.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Because he had a coin that was a lot we
needed money.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was working I had my phone, so on my
little mission we didn't need anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But he wanted to achieve something that was his goal.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I went, okay, well, you got this time frame and
these are some of the boundaries and the rules, like,
let's have a look at my track record, let's have
a look at yours. I think mine's a little bit better.
Maybe some direction from me might help. Didn't listen just
when he did what he did, and the next minute,
I'm in handcuffs.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Fuck, what did they get you for?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They got me for annoyingly dealing with the proceeds of crime.
So we had almost a million dollars in cash in
a story shed, which they put We were under investigation
for four to five months. The reason why they actually
even found us before we wrapped it up, or before
he wrapped it up, I should.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Say we, I'm saying we. No, I didn't have that much.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sand was a mate of his who he connected with
was under full floats investigation, so they were following him.
I dropped off to that guy, and so I got
also done for. I think it's like four or five
counts of commercial supply as well.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Would you would you were you the driver or the
drop off person or would you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, I just look whenever he wasn't around, when he
was doing something else here in the beginning, I said, no,
so this is like a graduate thing. I'm like, I'm
no fucking way am I having anything to do with this.
I'll fucking count the money. Have you to count the
money and make sure that it's all good. But I
don't want to fucking And then it was kind of please,
I'm not there, can you please? So when okay, yeah,
(08:56):
and then that one time became you know, the next
time and the next time, I don't really fucking I
did care, but I didn't care. There was this It
was this real. It was it was almost like the
universe needed to go.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Cash.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You haven't learned anything. You have to make a fucking
choice here. So you can't sit on the fence with
this stuff. You're either a criminal or you're not.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I am now apparently by the law, but no, not really.
I've always kind of danced around that. So that's not
what I wanted to. I don't want to be a
career criminal. Fuck that, not at fifty not ever. Yeah,
And I truly at the end of the day was
like you still clean. Yeah, now I've been cleaned for
(09:39):
over five.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Years, almost five years, yeah, over five years now.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So what was the downfall?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What could you caught?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Because there was the guy was under investigation. Yeah, so
they were monitoring him. We had bizo with him. They
had like the brief is this fucking beak. They've got
all the phone calls between the two boys, and I
answered the phone a couple of times, so there's that
as well. So they then then they was a full
task force, so they put together a second task for
which then monitor us because they saw Bez he's his name, Sorry, yeah,
(10:09):
I saw bear his name and fucking line up light
up mar because and he was still in parole for
his last lot. They then put trackers, cameras, listening devices
both cars, storage, shed wherever else and they tapped all
the phones.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
So what were you caught with? You said? The million dollars?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, so almost a million in cash and three pounds apart.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And what was the sentence things that you got for that?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So I went to I got two and a half no,
two years six months on the top and I had
to serve fifteen months incarcerated, so no parole. Get he
got ten years six months on the top with six
years and ten months to serve, and a lot later
than me, like I did. I was on home detention
(10:58):
when he got sentenced, okay, and he's been locked off
the whole time. I never swam again. So we got
arrested that day on the sixteenth of December.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Not even caught dates or nothing like that, and never.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
No our CAURT days weren't together.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
What was that feeling when you're when you're when all
that shit went the family, you knew that you were
going inside. How'd you feel then?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Look, I wasn't surprised. I was more worried about the
Were you ready for it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
This time around, like I was more concerned the impact
it was having on those that I loved.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Because I can do anything.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I've done it so much in my life, and it's
just another playground and another new new school. Let you
go to right, God, in prison, it's the same as
being a kid and being shuffled around the world. I
can play in any playground and I could sivive anything,
and if I don't, that's okay. So that's how I
felt about it, And you know, also making that choice
to get involved with him.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I made my peace.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
This could go wrong and the consequences of this are
going to be bigger than anything else. Right, They're not
just small. It's we're not just fucking some fucking bagodobe.
But I was prepared. I didn't know about the process
of court and stuff, so that was really fucking like.
You get arrested, and then what happens next? You get
released on bail? What's next? Oh, you go to court
(12:18):
appearance in a month. Nothing happens at that first court appearance.
It goes on and on and on, and every month
there is a court appearance scheduled, but nothing happens.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No one tells you that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So then I spoke to my lawyer, and I reached
out to other people, and I spoke to you. I
went to informed myself, but not many people can do that,
and I got some a good idea around what was
going to happen. I took to a couple of other
lawyers that wanted to represent me, but I stayed with
a friend of ours who's a lawyer, and it served
me well.
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