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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche production.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you think because I have my opinion, you have
your opinion, everyone's free speech. Do you think that's why
everyone hounded you at a certain time when you did
come forward and you just wanted to talk it up
or how you felt, like back in twenty seventeen and
you've done that documentary on Netflix for that magic pill,
you know, and everyone just went on your case for it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's like, what the fuck? Like, just leave them alone,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Like, it's just do you think you just got hounded?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The simplest way to paint the picture for the hounding,
as you call it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And this is this is factual.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So eighty percent of chronic illness in the Western world
is diet and lifestyle related eight right, And a lot
of people would have you believe that it's you have
to work out and run marathon and be fit to
change that, right, shows like The Biggest Loser and all
(01:10):
of this type of brainwashing that's out there about And
I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. The diet trumps
physical activity one hundred times. So if we can if
we change our diet, what into a species specific diet
one that or an anti inflammatory diet right, because most
people are inflamed. That's where the eighty percent of chronic
(01:31):
illness comes from from inflammation. So how do we get
rid of the inflammation in the body. The inflammation is
generally caused ninety nine percent in my opinion, through the
diet choices and the drinks that we consume into our bodies. Right.
The great thing about when you change your diet, you
will have more energy and vitality to play the things
(01:51):
that you want to play and do the movements or
the exercises that bring you joy instead of killing yourself
stressing your body and the gym doing a workout that
is going to create more inflammation in the body. Right,
And it's not a blanket statement. It's just some people
put a lot of stress on their body and that
causes information on it too. So the easiest, the lowest
(02:13):
hanging fruit part in the palm is understand what fuels
your body the best and then adopt that if you
want to improve your health. So, if eighty percent of
chronic illness can be eliminated, reversed, stopped by diet choices,
(02:36):
could you imagine what would happen if the hospital system
had eighty percent less patients in it starting next year.
What would happen to the doctor's GPS specialist if eight
out of ten people no longer needed to see them
as often as they see them because they're not getting
(02:56):
fucking sick.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, think about this on a bigger scale.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
What would happen to the pharmaceutical industry if they lost
eighty percent of their clients within the space of a year.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now we expand that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Out into the mainstream media around the world. What would
happen if eighty percent of their revenue disappeared because multinational
food companies are no longer have the money to advertise
because nobody's buying their ship, or the pharmaceutical companies in
different parts of the world or advertising their products into
(03:36):
online or print or digital formats. Then we expand that
out a little bit more into the mainstream media, will
be that it's already fucking dying anyway. We're seeing, you know,
the TV networks all around the world, they're losing viewership
because they're not reporting the news. That's why Joe Rogan,
Tucker Carlson, they're actually talking about important stuff and not
(03:59):
just fucking propaganda. So then expand that out next to
the agricultural companies that poison the soils and poison the
animals and poison the foods that we eat. Because people
would demand and shift to organic, seasonal, regenerally, farm holistically,
I can create raised to all this sort of stuff
(04:21):
that no longer requires their toxic inputs. Now, what would
happen then, Because that's going to heal the planet as well,
heal the soils. People are going to get healthier. What
would happen then to the lobbyists that lobby the government.
The government system would fucking change. The lobbyists would no
longer be around. The whole landscape of the system that
(04:44):
most of us are blind to or ignorant of. It
would all collapse within the space of a year or
two if people just change their diet en mass. Everything
would fucking change everything that this system. You have to understand,
(05:04):
like the medical system fantastic, for traumacare fantastic. And I've
always said modern medicine ancient wisdom, natural wisdom, or natural
therapies hand in hand, you know, So the point where
if you're eating well, you probably don't even need natural
therapies or modern medicine, except if you get hit by
a car or bitten by a shark or something life threatening.
You know, they're great fucking doctors are great at that
(05:26):
sort of shit. Sometimes I surge you, they're great at
that sort of stuff. And the technical advances in medicine fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Bring it on.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Let's create using it, you know, our minds to create
things that are better for us. But if you look
around at the Western world at the moment, you cannot
say that we're a healthy fucking species with all the
technological advancements in science that we have. So the hounding
is because I had two million followers, which were mainly
(05:57):
in Australia, which is nearly ten percent of the population,
that were sharing my information about improving health through dietary principles,
and then COVID came wrong and I was just like, hey,
you know, there's corruption already in the in the dietary
bodies around the Western nations of food science. We outlined
(06:19):
that with our movie. We showed how science can be bought.
COVID came around and hey, this is just another version
of another corruption of science. Be very very careful about
the information that has been pushed out. My advice is
to wait to research you know, where is the information
(06:40):
about masking come from? You know, every doctor that I
spoke to said it doesn't work, so masks somebody. Social distancing,
you know, everybody was told to stand six feet away
from each other, you know, and subsequently, what do we
know now four years later, even though most good doctors
knew four years ago it was a made up fucking
(07:01):
concept that has no merit in whatsoever in science whatsoever.
Yet people would see any fucking line six fucking feet
away saying get away from me. We found out that
the safe and effective vaccines were not safe, not effective
for everybody. They weren't safe for everybody, but they definitely
weren't affected for anybody. All that that information has come
(07:23):
out now, you know, and nobody can debate it anymore
because there's been peer review studies that have all fucking
come out. You know, it's and the next thing that's
going to happen. Bobby Kennedy Junior is in there.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
They just appointed a new doctor, jo at A.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Charlie for the National Institutes of Health in the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Donald Trump just appointed him, you know who.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
These two were outspoken about the whole COVID nonsense. We
are going to see over the next four years the
absolute truth starting to filter out.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And what is that going to do.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Then it's going to potentially snap people out of that
state to be more curious instead of just trusting the
talking heads that said you must do this to be safe.
Because there are a lot of us that didn't do that.
(08:26):
And I don't judge anybody for taking it or not
taking it, or standing six feet away from anyone else
putting a mask on like you do, you right, but
understand that it was all a fucking lie. It was
all a lie and it still is. So that the
next time this comes around or something of this nature
where you have these experts coming in to tell you
(08:48):
to do something, and it could be something to do
with climate change, it could have something to do with
another virus, it could have something to do with a
cyber attack or this that who knows.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know, you know they're probably thinking of something out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
There because they thought of this to start with, that
you might be more curious next time and go, you
know what, maybe maybe I'll investigate this a bit further,
and maybe I'll turn on the Joe Rogan or the
Tucker or the Neil or the Pete or.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
The whoever's out there that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Is sharing some information that is the opposite from what
these other people are sharing, because they've I think they've
shot themselves in the foot, to be honest with you,
and I celebrate them for it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Because I only only because, like I remember when it
all came out, and I like, it wasn't just that
you were to me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I felt like you were just targeted.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
They terminated your contract with the TV, and I just thought,
this is a bit harsh, you know what I mean,
like it, you know, they all you did was say
your view and what you believed in, and then it
was like that everyone just went onto you.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's just like, well, fucking hell, just leave alone. Well, well,
they created.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
This story that I was in the Nazi that I
shared and the a Nazi sign, which I did, but
I was under what was that It was a black
black son on a caterpillar and I just saw the
Donald Trump had and I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
A funny fucking thing. I had no idea as a
fucking neo Nazi sign.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I didn't even know what Nasi was at the time,
but you know, that was the one thing that they it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was like got him. Yeah, fucking We've been waiting for
this moment.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know, now we can bring out the whole the Nazi,
white supremacist, fucking We've got him now. You know, we're
going to use this and pressure all of his business
partners and pressure anyone that that you cannot be associated
with this man anymore because and just for the record,
I'm not a neo Nazi, never have been, never never
(10:52):
will be. I love all cultures, I love all cuisines.
I respect everybody for every race of like and anybody
that knows the work that I do.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Every cookbook that I've ever released celebrates.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Food from all different cultures, including the Jewish culture, and
my documentary is celebrate indigenous cultures from all around the world.
And so on one part, it's so ridiculous that people
fell for that. They're so ridiculous that that could have
(11:26):
that anybody could ever considered that I would be a
neo Nazi, Like, it's just it's beyond ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, even from that though, retailers and your even your
publishers abandoned.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You, you know what I mean, Oh yeah, because they got.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Shouldn't they have believed in you and know what you
are as a person because they be with you for
so long.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Well, I think fear comes up for a lot of people,
right and and I I respect their decision to do
what they did because they running a business, want to
protect their brand and their their integrity right and to
have that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It was a coordinated attack, mate. It wasn't just fucking
out of the blue.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
This was a coordinated attack because within the space of
twenty four hours, the fifteen business partners I was involved
with all pretty much publicly denounced me.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I want to listen to the episode in four click
the link in the description.
Approche production.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you think because I have my opinion, you have
your opinion, everyone's free speech. Do you think that's why
everyone hounded you at a certain time when you did
come forward and you just wanted to talk it up
or how you felt, like back in twenty seventeen and
you've done that documentary on Netflix for that magic pill,
you know, and everyone just went on your case for it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's like, what the fuck? Like, just leave them alone,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Like, it's just do you think you just got hounded?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The simplest way to paint the picture for the hounding,
as you call it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And this is this is factual.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So eighty percent of chronic illness in the Western world
is diet and lifestyle related eight right, And a lot
of people would have you believe that it's you have
to work out and run marathon and be fit to
change that, right, shows like The Biggest Loser and all
(01:10):
of this type of brainwashing that's out there about And
I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. The diet trumps
physical activity one hundred times. So if we can if
we change our diet, what into a species specific diet
one that or an anti inflammatory diet right, because most
people are inflamed. That's where the eighty percent of chronic
(01:31):
illness comes from from inflammation. So how do we get
rid of the inflammation in the body. The inflammation is
generally caused ninety nine percent in my opinion, through the
diet choices and the drinks that we consume into our bodies. Right.
The great thing about when you change your diet, you
will have more energy and vitality to play the things
(01:51):
that you want to play and do the movements or
the exercises that bring you joy instead of killing yourself
stressing your body and the gym doing a workout that
is going to create more inflammation in the body. Right,
And it's not a blanket statement. It's just some people
put a lot of stress on their body and that
causes information on it too. So the easiest, the lowest
(02:13):
hanging fruit part in the palm is understand what fuels
your body the best and then adopt that if you
want to improve your health. So, if eighty percent of
chronic illness can be eliminated, reversed, stopped by diet choices,
(02:36):
could you imagine what would happen if the hospital system
had eighty percent less patients in it starting next year.
What would happen to the doctor's GPS specialist if eight
out of ten people no longer needed to see them
as often as they see them because they're not getting
(02:56):
fucking sick.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, think about this on a bigger scale.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
What would happen to the pharmaceutical industry if they lost
eighty percent of their clients within the space of a year.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now we expand that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Out into the mainstream media around the world. What would
happen if eighty percent of their revenue disappeared because multinational
food companies are no longer have the money to advertise
because nobody's buying their ship, or the pharmaceutical companies in
different parts of the world or advertising their products into
(03:36):
online or print or digital formats. Then we expand that
out a little bit more into the mainstream media, will
be that it's already fucking dying anyway. We're seeing, you know,
the TV networks all around the world, they're losing viewership
because they're not reporting the news. That's why Joe Rogan,
Tucker Carlson, they're actually talking about important stuff and not
(03:59):
just fucking propaganda. So then expand that out next to
the agricultural companies that poison the soils and poison the
animals and poison the foods that we eat. Because people
would demand and shift to organic, seasonal, regenerally, farm holistically,
I can create raised to all this sort of stuff
(04:21):
that no longer requires their toxic inputs. Now, what would
happen then, Because that's going to heal the planet as well,
heal the soils. People are going to get healthier. What
would happen then to the lobbyists that lobby the government.
The government system would fucking change. The lobbyists would no
longer be around. The whole landscape of the system that
(04:44):
most of us are blind to or ignorant of. It
would all collapse within the space of a year or
two if people just change their diet en mass. Everything
would fucking change everything that this system. You have to understand,
(05:04):
like the medical system fantastic, for traumacare fantastic. And I've
always said modern medicine ancient wisdom, natural wisdom, or natural
therapies hand in hand, you know, So the point where
if you're eating well, you probably don't even need natural
therapies or modern medicine, except if you get hit by
a car or bitten by a shark or something life threatening.
You know, they're great fucking doctors are great at that
(05:26):
sort of shit. Sometimes I surge you, they're great at
that sort of stuff. And the technical advances in medicine fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Bring it on.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Let's create using it, you know, our minds to create
things that are better for us. But if you look
around at the Western world at the moment, you cannot
say that we're a healthy fucking species with all the
technological advancements in science that we have. So the hounding
is because I had two million followers, which were mainly
(05:57):
in Australia, which is nearly ten percent of the population,
that were sharing my information about improving health through dietary principles,
and then COVID came wrong and I was just like, hey,
you know, there's corruption already in the in the dietary
bodies around the Western nations of food science. We outlined
(06:19):
that with our movie. We showed how science can be bought.
COVID came around and hey, this is just another version
of another corruption of science. Be very very careful about
the information that has been pushed out. My advice is
to wait to research you know, where is the information
(06:40):
about masking come from? You know, every doctor that I
spoke to said it doesn't work, so masks somebody. Social distancing,
you know, everybody was told to stand six feet away
from each other, you know, and subsequently, what do we
know now four years later, even though most good doctors
knew four years ago it was a made up fucking
(07:01):
concept that has no merit in whatsoever in science whatsoever.
Yet people would see any fucking line six fucking feet
away saying get away from me. We found out that
the safe and effective vaccines were not safe, not effective
for everybody. They weren't safe for everybody, but they definitely
weren't affected for anybody. All that that information has come
(07:23):
out now, you know, and nobody can debate it anymore
because there's been peer review studies that have all fucking
come out. You know, it's and the next thing that's
going to happen. Bobby Kennedy Junior is in there.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
They just appointed a new doctor, jo at A.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Charlie for the National Institutes of Health in the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Donald Trump just appointed him, you know who.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
These two were outspoken about the whole COVID nonsense. We
are going to see over the next four years the
absolute truth starting to filter out.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And what is that going to do.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Then it's going to potentially snap people out of that
state to be more curious instead of just trusting the
talking heads that said you must do this to be safe.
Because there are a lot of us that didn't do that.
(08:26):
And I don't judge anybody for taking it or not
taking it, or standing six feet away from anyone else
putting a mask on like you do, you right, but
understand that it was all a fucking lie. It was
all a lie and it still is. So that the
next time this comes around or something of this nature
where you have these experts coming in to tell you
(08:48):
to do something, and it could be something to do
with climate change, it could have something to do with
another virus, it could have something to do with a
cyber attack or this that who knows.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know, you know they're probably thinking of something out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
There because they thought of this to start with, that
you might be more curious next time and go, you
know what, maybe maybe I'll investigate this a bit further,
and maybe I'll turn on the Joe Rogan or the
Tucker or the Neil or the Pete or.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
The whoever's out there that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Is sharing some information that is the opposite from what
these other people are sharing, because they've I think they've
shot themselves in the foot, to be honest with you,
and I celebrate them for it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Because I only only because, like I remember when it
all came out, and I like, it wasn't just that
you were to me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I felt like you were just targeted.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
They terminated your contract with the TV, and I just thought,
this is a bit harsh, you know what I mean,
like it, you know, they all you did was say
your view and what you believed in, and then it
was like that everyone just went onto you.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's just like, well, fucking hell, just leave alone. Well, well,
they created.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
This story that I was in the Nazi that I
shared and the a Nazi sign, which I did, but
I was under what was that It was a black
black son on a caterpillar and I just saw the
Donald Trump had and I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
A funny fucking thing. I had no idea as a
fucking neo Nazi sign.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I didn't even know what Nasi was at the time,
but you know, that was the one thing that they it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was like got him. Yeah, fucking We've been waiting for
this moment.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know, now we can bring out the whole the Nazi,
white supremacist, fucking We've got him now. You know, we're
going to use this and pressure all of his business
partners and pressure anyone that that you cannot be associated
with this man anymore because and just for the record,
I'm not a neo Nazi, never have been, never never
(10:52):
will be. I love all cultures, I love all cuisines.
I respect everybody for every race of like and anybody
that knows the work that I do.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Every cookbook that I've ever released celebrates.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Food from all different cultures, including the Jewish culture, and
my documentary is celebrate indigenous cultures from all around the world.
And so on one part, it's so ridiculous that people
fell for that. They're so ridiculous that that could have
(11:26):
that anybody could ever considered that I would be a
neo Nazi, Like, it's just it's beyond ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, even from that though, retailers and your even your
publishers abandoned.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You, you know what I mean, Oh yeah, because they got.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Shouldn't they have believed in you and know what you
are as a person because they be with you for
so long.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Well, I think fear comes up for a lot of people,
right and and I I respect their decision to do
what they did because they running a business, want to
protect their brand and their their integrity right and to
have that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It was a coordinated attack, mate. It wasn't just fucking
out of the blue.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
This was a coordinated attack because within the space of
twenty four hours, the fifteen business partners I was involved
with all pretty much publicly denounced me.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I want to listen to the episode in four click
the link in the description.
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