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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche production. If you go to certain jails that are
run by certain you know, nationalities and stuff, good luck
to you, man. Like fuck, the only advice I can
give is you should have come in the first place,
you know what I mean, like like you see, man
and what what not affected me. But what what I
found difficult to do is the young boys that come in.
(00:28):
You know that the young fucking eighteen twenty one yards
they think they shoot don't stick on the outside. Bro. Man.
Within a week, bro, I'm telling you, man, they're fucking
walking different in there, like straight out, like I know,
it's it's and they got an eye opener, and that's
you know, for me, it's you'd want to hope that
that's that's their fucking wake up call.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But to me, I see it when the young guys
go into jail and when they come out, they've been converted.
It not not by a religion book, converted even by
by a gang member. And that's when they that's that's
how the recruited see a recruited in jail.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's all fucking recruiting jail man. A lot of shits.
A lot of the boys did their business through jail
man because the end of the day, you can't get
charged in jail. You've got it. You'll get well, let's
say you'll get a week off visits if if something
you get done on something like big ship. Bro, you're
gonna you're gonna stop fucking pushing the drugs on the
outside inside for a week of it, just because the
fuck You're back on the bandwagon tomorrow, Bro, still doing
the same thing. And again, like you said, you're coming
(01:18):
to jail, young points, what choice do you have, Bro,
I get converted or get o get fucking passed, or
get rape. That's that's that's you know what I mean,
You're fucked well.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's the one thing that I thought of when I
was I was thinking I was going to get like
jail sentence. Then I thought, fuck now. I was looking
at all the jails, going okay, so they're in this
one and this one if I got converted, and I'm
just thinking disrespect. But I'm not convined for NOE camp,
you know what I mean. But I knew straight away
that if I go in this jail, they're gonna hate me.
This is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I know like it, So you know it, bro,
Like if you you know what you said, I'm not converting.
You're already on the back foot. Yeah, you know what
I mean, they already got something against you. It's like,
fuck this blay doesn't want to be with us. Fuck
is against us. And that's why I guess from my experience,
if there's a lot of boys like you know, don't
want to do it, So where do they go? They
go to protection? Yeah, you know, you know what's fucking easy.
I'll serve out my sins into just six months the
year I'll see in protection because I'm sweet. But bro, like,
(02:09):
you live in fear in that place, man Like, it's
imagine that and you're going to protection. It's there's you're
not you don't escape anything.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the protection people only stick with the people in
that state. Yeah, they don't go anywhere food, anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's there's like area five. When they get their lunches,
there's a certain time, but they will get their lunches
to go out and get them. Yeah, only when there's
the the snaps of la So then.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Can anyone else see them that? That's that. Then people
in that in.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That same park, when you're walking partly all the way
at the top is Area five and probably down towards
the front of the I guess that not the front,
but just when you're enter the jail. That's where the
snap and the lays, all the protections are. So when
the area fires are going to visit, they're always crossing.
So there's a big gate. You leave that open, bro,
good lucky, there's gonna be fucking crime scene, so that
(02:54):
stays there. Those boys will probably walk through and finish
their visits, go back, and he got to the main
just fucking spiting at him, throwing shoot, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But none of these sweepers go into these different sections. No,
they've got their own sweepers all like that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So Area five has I think about fuck five or
six sweepers per wing. And they got delegates per wing.
So five C might have a Muslim delegate, five Ben
might have a career delegate. Five they will have AUSSI delegate.
So those delegates will will get together, sort dramas out,
you know what I mean. If there's any issues within
Area five, they'll sort it out with themselves. If there's
(03:26):
I guess NADOC day, you know what I mean, ramanin starts.
They'll then come to the offices and say we need
to do a meeting. This is coming up. The boys
want to organize, you know, to pray down at the
fucking down that area down there, or you know, the
career fellers want to want to organize something for NATOC Day.
Can they do paintings, et cetera, et cetera, you know
what I mean. Those delegates will will meet with I
guess the area manager when it's something of I guess
(03:49):
importance when it comes to culture and religion, if it's
more to do with drugs and all that sort of stuff,
they'll approach an offer and say, listen, got to go
next door. I've got to have a chat to the
career delegate. Bro. They go next door to sort it
out or to deal or to do whatever. You know
what I mean. It is what it is. What are
you going to do? You know what I mean? Just
let them do their thing. If the jail's all good
and it's running well, why change it. If there's no issues,
(04:11):
If issues are resolved and it's good that way, man
like it works out well. I think it's a great
idea coming from a jail thing, and especially from a
cultural religion thing. If you get a young I guess
Muslim or an Aboriginal boy coming in. You'd want a
delegate to come up here and say, listen, bro, it's
your first time in jail. Yeah, okay, Well this is
where this is a bit of advice here there and everywhere.
Don't do this, do this, you know what I mean'd
(04:33):
be very difficult to find that game into jail. But
if you've got that opportunity for a young young you
know what I mean, kid that's done petty shit bright
know a couple of times breaking into it, like seriously,
it's probably just fucking gone in and stolen something from
the survey, you know, and he's come in and you've
got a delicate to say, listen, if you need to,
let me know, stay away from this one. Jump into
that one basically, you know what I mean. Otherwise like
they're going blind and then they're going to meet someone
(04:54):
to try and convert them, and then all down hill. Man.
I've seen young boys like good young kids, bro, within
six months go on, Bro, like they're just changed. Bro.
The jail changes kids. Brock s there. It's sad, but
it changes man, because you're going in with hard and
hard ass criminals. Bro. That that know that shit. They
know how that place ticks twenty four to seven, you
know what I mean, what to do, what not to do?
(05:15):
They know it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So is there a security section in there that they
keep certain people from.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Not kind of like so segregated.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, so no one can get to it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, face a mains protection segregation. So segregation is like,
for example, if there's a a crim that's come in
that's got an association with the Hells Angels and it's
at their jail, they'll go into segregation. It's like a
cell on their own. They're outside is still in a cage.
So until there's a jail found for them that houses
that type of inmate, they'll stay in there. Basically, if
(05:51):
you've got into a punch on stab someone, you're going
to segra for three four weeks. That'll be a punishment.
So that's how you also get segregated. You get what
I'm saying. If you get done with drugs or visits
a phone in visits, you'll go to segregation. That'll be
a jail charge. So yeah, so there is SEGRO and
there's a lot of high profile inmates that are non
association where it's just like bro you're not fit for
any fucking jail. We just got to put you there
(06:11):
because it's just easier that way. It's fucking everyone wants want,
wants to kill, you know what I mean. There's those
I'm sure you know those type of boys, you know
what I mean. And they're just going from segrator, segrator,
segu in every fucking jail, you know what I mean.
It's a fucking sega is tough, bro. Like it's if
you're going to segro Bro, there's and you're getting charged.
There's no TV. There's nothing, man. You're coming out for
your one phone call a day bro and a visit.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I don't get that phone call a visit you
fuck exactly right, Bro? That's are they allowed to watch
TV from out?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Like what's going on outside? Right? Even the news? Yeah,
so in the wing there's there's TVs in the wings
and obviously got the little small, fucking small.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Little they know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
They know, bro. They love the fucking married of first sight,
love island off. Bro. They're sick for it. Man, I'm
telling you, it's the funniest thing. Say.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I thought they would have kept news like, you know,
like with the shootings and gangals going understo.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So they got they got three air TV. Man, they've
got the little fucking cable there this week bro, three there,
so your channel seven, nine and ten. They have that
on their TVs. And they've got their radio. So they're
listening to fucking Triple M Triple Jay every day. They know, man,
that know what's going on. If not, they're on a
fucking phone to a family member. Yeah, either way, they're
finding out something. So yeah, they're pretty in tune bro.
Like Like I said, it's at the start and then
(07:20):
working there for a period of time you realize they
know everything. Bro. They just fucking know everything. Man. That's
the only way they know everything. They know how everything works,
and they're very intelligent. It's when you, I guess, when
you're in a room and you're on your own for
twenty four hours, you actually start start thinking and processing.
You're not worried about bro. I've got to have this
meeting with this bloke. After that, I've got to go
to fucking the gym, and then after the gym, I've
(07:41):
got to go to soccer training. Fuck Bro, mold lady
wants to my home. She's gonna cook dinner for me.
You know, you're constantly ticking over and you're probably still
out gone on a night out of twelve of these boys, Bro,
they're thinking constantly. Man. They're reading books, bro, some blocks.
They've read the brief of evidence that fucking half the
ground and they know in inside out. They know law
inside out, man, the big boys no law, man. They're
reading briefs of evidence that's I'll probably take me twenty
(08:04):
years to read a brea ex precive it and some
of the coming in fucking suitcases, man, and these boys
are reading it. Bro. It's just cruising and they know
it inside out. They know law inside out, they know
what they're getting charged with, they know how long they're
going to be in here for, they know everything. They're intelligent. Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Have you ever has anyone ever tried to steak in
the jails while you've been waking, Well, it's on escort.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I've worked in the jail. There's a few boys that
have that have hit the run. Thankfully I wasn't on
on on shift. So yeah, Bro, it's fucking It's scary man.
Because you're in jail, Bro, you can kind of get
away with things. I'm sure you're read it, you know
what I mean. If there's a few no camera spots,
do we got to do? Bro? Like, it's we all
know that it's been like for a while. You're in
(08:46):
the public, bro, Like, there's a phone up in two seconds,
you know what I mean? You try and put like
you try and do a hospital escore and pull your
gun out in the middle of the hallway and there's
a mom with a kid, an old man and a
lady walking and you've got this crimp fucking hitting the
bolt straight down the hallway. You're gonna put your gun out, bro, Like, honestly,
good luck. If you're very good shop, you still got
please explain when it ricochets and it fucking it's a
(09:07):
little kid. Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's
this is what I'm saying that you've got to be.
You're always at that heightened state of fucking awareness twenty
four to seven, bro. And it's what I found at
the start of the job was to try and switch
that off going home, you know what I mean, like
doing escorts and being all right, what's happening over there
in the wing, what's happening there? It's to switch that off, bro,
it's very it's very difficult. And if you don't have
(09:29):
I guess the coping mechanisms or the right you know,
how to deal with it. It's it's tough because just constant, Bro,
you're going to cls and you're like, fuck that blocks
of criminal, Bro, that bloke's doing drug deal just this,
you know what I mean. It starts fucking with you.
You know what I mean. You probably that when when
you've been working, you know, you're going down to the
fucking the street, like what's just looking at bro? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Then the out know, you
bump into a fucking criminal on the outside like some boys. Bro.
(09:49):
It's funny. Yeah, I actually have BRO. I had my
birthday thirtieth birthdays, f bar bro, and I finished up
at about ten thirty eleven. It's like, that's my finished time, Bro.
I don't know if I've told.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You, but that's hard dark with you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Next morning, you know what it was. It was the
thirtieth birth dab of my parents there and everything, so
I had to be responsible man, you know, an I
was walking down and fuck I was with my ex
at the time and I walked down at the time,
I'm like Bro, Like, the last thing I want to
do is be on my ex and see a crimp.
That's the only thing I can do it I may anyway.
So I've seen about four or five boys from Parkley
area five and I just went, fuck weeks ago is
(10:29):
what I said, Just just leave, just relax. And I
just had to laugh with them. Bro, I said, what
are you doing now? Bro? Last week you're in park
I said, listen, enjoy it. I don't want to see
you in Parkley next week. Please just do me your favor.
Just enjoy a night and behave That's the conversation I
had with him. But that comes down to, I guess
the respect and report you have in the jail with
your mates. You know what I mean to come back to.
That's their house, you know, at the end of the day.
(10:51):
And I say this with the most respectful If they
want to punch on, stabbing, gledge, that's up to them, Bro.
Let them do them in their cells and stuff like that.
And that's that's that approach that I took. And it's
not only those boys that I've seen. There's a lot
of other boys that I've seen on the outside where
I've actually had conversation. How you going things? You know,
how you coping outside? But no, no, no grudges. I
don't I don't look at it. If you're in jail,
tell you get fucked. I'm good. The next day, bro,
(11:12):
we'll have a conbo. That's that's how it is. What
are you going. It's like having a fight with your
missus or your mate. Just get over it, bro. I
wish that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I was in the same if I hit someone in
the fucking crusty came back with a gun the next
week the ship.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, yeh, unfortunate. That's what I'm saying. Man. You're in
a controlled environment then and you go on the outside
and doing an escort. Like during COVID when I went
to Corrective Services, I was doing the medical escorts. That
was a tense time being out in public, man, because
one it's COVID. There's no drugs coming in, so there's
a lot of people that come around and just they know, bro,
(11:46):
Like they know people are going to escorts, they know
they're going to hospital. Somehow they know. And there was
one time when I was sitting at Prince Waler Remic.
It was down a dental and I was standing up.
One of the boys was sitting down with one of
the crims, and we're waiting on the outside. So like
when I go there, if, I said, like, obviously general
public in the waiting and there's a lot I find
the space where it's a bit quieter, U. Yeah, because
(12:07):
young kids and stuff like. It's a bit of respectful thing,
you know what I mean, And it's better that way.
So he sat in the hallway and these bloke was fidgeting,
man like, fucking proper the inmate they were with, Yeah,
like fidgety. And I said, fucking said to my mate,
I said, Bro, like, I don't know, Bro, something is
a bit weird, you know. And I've seen three or four,
you know, people with hoodies on in the fucking hospital,
just doing doggies, you know. And I just went, fuck bro,
(12:29):
And I went, nah, bro, surely, And I said to
my mate, I said, Michael, I said, Bro, I'm just
just heads up, yeah, just stay on, like I switch on.
So I got up and I've seen about three of
them come towards me with the woodies on. I don't
think they've seen me because I'm sitting up against the wall,
just casual like that. Yeah, Bro, like, no joke. I
just have my hand on my bat and and they've
just come probably thirty meters and just hit the fucking
(12:51):
hook and gone down the emergency exit. And I just
said to the bike, I said, bro, do you know me?
He goes, oh no, no, no, don't I'm chief done on.
I said, no, it's I went back to the jail.
I got him tipped the fucking Bathurst the next day
because it was probably trying to do a drop or
something like that, you know what I mean. Two days later,
I'm out and there's some big, heavy bloke sitting at
the middle of a fucking emergency just staring at us,
you know what I mean, because how was she gonna
(13:12):
get fucking shit in? Man, there's the other way, bro,
your escorts. So that was tense. It was fucking tense,
but it was I don't know, I enjoyed today. I
enjoyed the adrenaline. I don't know if you can probably
understand it. Bro, Like I never wanted to kick off,
but I wouldn't mind it if a.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Day I always wanted to kick. I always wanted to kick.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, like when the wing's going off in Parkland,
there's ninety blows just going and you that's for us off,
that's a free for all. Bro. You're like, fuck, there's
about your report, like you can do what you want.
There is nothing that man, it's just but the adrenaline
stays up here like four hours after and it's like, fuck,
that was mad A like it was good. I don't
know it's people probably think that's fucking weird, but it's
I enjoy it, man, Like I I enjoyed it. But
(13:57):
I was always in control of what I was doing,
so I never let it over overtake you know how
I did my job. I never thought, Bro, today I'm
gonna pumps. I can't like I'm just say like, okay,
it's kicked off, let's go, it's on. So you turn
that switch. You've got to be able to control that
switch in there, man, because again, you can't get too cocky,
you can't get too you know happy if if you've
had a brawler the next day, it's you just always
(14:18):
got to be ready for work, but you're also got
to be ready for it to kick off, because when
it kicks off in their bro, it kicks off
Approche production. If you go to certain jails that are
run by certain you know, nationalities and stuff, good luck
to you, man. Like fuck, the only advice I can
give is you should have come in the first place,
you know what I mean, like like you see, man
and what what not affected me. But what what I
found difficult to do is the young boys that come in.
(00:28):
You know that the young fucking eighteen twenty one yards
they think they shoot don't stick on the outside. Bro. Man.
Within a week, bro, I'm telling you, man, they're fucking
walking different in there, like straight out, like I know,
it's it's and they got an eye opener, and that's
you know, for me, it's you'd want to hope that
that's that's their fucking wake up call.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But to me, I see it when the young guys
go into jail and when they come out, they've been converted.
It not not by a religion book, converted even by
by a gang member. And that's when they that's that's
how the recruited see a recruited in jail.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's all fucking recruiting jail man. A lot of shits.
A lot of the boys did their business through jail
man because the end of the day, you can't get
charged in jail. You've got it. You'll get well, let's
say you'll get a week off visits if if something
you get done on something like big ship. Bro, you're
gonna you're gonna stop fucking pushing the drugs on the
outside inside for a week of it, just because the
fuck You're back on the bandwagon tomorrow, Bro, still doing
the same thing. And again, like you said, you're coming
(01:18):
to jail, young points, what choice do you have, Bro,
I get converted or get o get fucking passed, or
get rape. That's that's that's you know what I mean,
You're fucked well.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's the one thing that I thought of when I
was I was thinking I was going to get like
jail sentence. Then I thought, fuck now. I was looking
at all the jails, going okay, so they're in this
one and this one if I got converted, and I'm
just thinking disrespect. But I'm not convined for NOE camp,
you know what I mean. But I knew straight away
that if I go in this jail, they're gonna hate me.
This is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I know like it, So you know it, bro,
Like if you you know what you said, I'm not converting.
You're already on the back foot. Yeah, you know what
I mean, they already got something against you. It's like,
fuck this blay doesn't want to be with us. Fuck
is against us. And that's why I guess from my experience,
if there's a lot of boys like you know, don't
want to do it, So where do they go? They
go to protection? Yeah, you know, you know what's fucking easy.
I'll serve out my sins into just six months the
year I'll see in protection because I'm sweet. But bro, like,
(02:09):
you live in fear in that place, man Like, it's
imagine that and you're going to protection. It's there's you're
not you don't escape anything.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the protection people only stick with the people in
that state. Yeah, they don't go anywhere food, anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's there's like area five. When they get their lunches,
there's a certain time, but they will get their lunches
to go out and get them. Yeah, only when there's
the the snaps of la So then.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Can anyone else see them that? That's that. Then people
in that in.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That same park, when you're walking partly all the way
at the top is Area five and probably down towards
the front of the I guess that not the front,
but just when you're enter the jail. That's where the
snap and the lays, all the protections are. So when
the area fires are going to visit, they're always crossing.
So there's a big gate. You leave that open, bro,
good lucky, there's gonna be fucking crime scene, so that
(02:54):
stays there. Those boys will probably walk through and finish
their visits, go back, and he got to the main
just fucking spiting at him, throwing shoot, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But none of these sweepers go into these different sections. No,
they've got their own sweepers all like that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So Area five has I think about fuck five or
six sweepers per wing. And they got delegates per wing.
So five C might have a Muslim delegate, five Ben
might have a career delegate. Five they will have AUSSI delegate.
So those delegates will will get together, sort dramas out,
you know what I mean. If there's any issues within
Area five, they'll sort it out with themselves. If there's
(03:26):
I guess NADOC day, you know what I mean, ramanin starts.
They'll then come to the offices and say we need
to do a meeting. This is coming up. The boys
want to organize, you know, to pray down at the
fucking down that area down there, or you know, the
career fellers want to want to organize something for NATOC Day.
Can they do paintings, et cetera, et cetera, you know
what I mean. Those delegates will will meet with I
guess the area manager when it's something of I guess
(03:49):
importance when it comes to culture and religion, if it's
more to do with drugs and all that sort of stuff,
they'll approach an offer and say, listen, got to go
next door. I've got to have a chat to the
career delegate. Bro. They go next door to sort it
out or to deal or to do whatever. You know
what I mean. It is what it is. What are
you going to do? You know what I mean? Just
let them do their thing. If the jail's all good
and it's running well, why change it. If there's no issues,
(04:11):
If issues are resolved and it's good that way, man
like it works out well. I think it's a great
idea coming from a jail thing, and especially from a
cultural religion thing. If you get a young I guess
Muslim or an Aboriginal boy coming in. You'd want a
delegate to come up here and say, listen, bro, it's
your first time in jail. Yeah, okay, Well this is
where this is a bit of advice here there and everywhere.
Don't do this, do this, you know what I mean'd
(04:33):
be very difficult to find that game into jail. But
if you've got that opportunity for a young young you
know what I mean, kid that's done petty shit bright
know a couple of times breaking into it, like seriously,
it's probably just fucking gone in and stolen something from
the survey, you know, and he's come in and you've
got a delicate to say, listen, if you need to,
let me know, stay away from this one. Jump into
that one basically, you know what I mean. Otherwise like
they're going blind and then they're going to meet someone
(04:54):
to try and convert them, and then all down hill. Man.
I've seen young boys like good young kids, bro, within
six months go on, Bro, like they're just changed. Bro.
The jail changes kids. Brock s there. It's sad, but
it changes man, because you're going in with hard and
hard ass criminals. Bro. That that know that shit. They
know how that place ticks twenty four to seven, you
know what I mean, what to do, what not to do?
(05:15):
They know it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So is there a security section in there that they
keep certain people from.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Not kind of like so segregated.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, so no one can get to it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, face a mains protection segregation. So segregation is like,
for example, if there's a a crim that's come in
that's got an association with the Hells Angels and it's
at their jail, they'll go into segregation. It's like a
cell on their own. They're outside is still in a cage.
So until there's a jail found for them that houses
that type of inmate, they'll stay in there. Basically, if
(05:51):
you've got into a punch on stab someone, you're going
to segra for three four weeks. That'll be a punishment.
So that's how you also get segregated. You get what
I'm saying. If you get done with drugs or visits
a phone in visits, you'll go to segregation. That'll be
a jail charge. So yeah, so there is SEGRO and
there's a lot of high profile inmates that are non
association where it's just like bro you're not fit for
any fucking jail. We just got to put you there
(06:11):
because it's just easier that way. It's fucking everyone wants want,
wants to kill, you know what I mean. There's those
I'm sure you know those type of boys, you know
what I mean. And they're just going from segrator, segrator,
segu in every fucking jail, you know what I mean.
It's a fucking sega is tough, bro. Like it's if
you're going to segro Bro, there's and you're getting charged.
There's no TV. There's nothing, man. You're coming out for
your one phone call a day bro and a visit.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I don't get that phone call a visit you
fuck exactly right, Bro? That's are they allowed to watch
TV from out?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Like what's going on outside? Right? Even the news? Yeah,
so in the wing there's there's TVs in the wings
and obviously got the little small, fucking small.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Little they know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
They know, bro. They love the fucking married of first sight,
love island off. Bro. They're sick for it. Man, I'm
telling you, it's the funniest thing. Say.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I thought they would have kept news like, you know,
like with the shootings and gangals going understo.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So they got they got three air TV. Man, they've
got the little fucking cable there this week bro, three there,
so your channel seven, nine and ten. They have that
on their TVs. And they've got their radio. So they're
listening to fucking Triple M Triple Jay every day. They know, man,
that know what's going on. If not, they're on a
fucking phone to a family member. Yeah, either way, they're
finding out something. So yeah, they're pretty in tune bro.
Like Like I said, it's at the start and then
(07:20):
working there for a period of time you realize they
know everything. Bro. They just fucking know everything. Man. That's
the only way they know everything. They know how everything works,
and they're very intelligent. It's when you, I guess, when
you're in a room and you're on your own for
twenty four hours, you actually start start thinking and processing.
You're not worried about bro. I've got to have this
meeting with this bloke. After that, I've got to go
to fucking the gym, and then after the gym, I've
(07:41):
got to go to soccer training. Fuck Bro, mold lady
wants to my home. She's gonna cook dinner for me.
You know, you're constantly ticking over and you're probably still
out gone on a night out of twelve of these boys, Bro,
they're thinking constantly. Man. They're reading books, bro, some blocks.
They've read the brief of evidence that fucking half the
ground and they know in inside out. They know law
inside out, man, the big boys no law, man. They're
reading briefs of evidence that's I'll probably take me twenty
(08:04):
years to read a brea ex precive it and some
of the coming in fucking suitcases, man, and these boys
are reading it. Bro. It's just cruising and they know
it inside out. They know law inside out, they know
what they're getting charged with, they know how long they're
going to be in here for, they know everything. They're intelligent. Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Have you ever has anyone ever tried to steak in
the jails while you've been waking, Well, it's on escort.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I've worked in the jail. There's a few boys that
have that have hit the run. Thankfully I wasn't on
on on shift. So yeah, Bro, it's fucking It's scary man.
Because you're in jail, Bro, you can kind of get
away with things. I'm sure you're read it, you know
what I mean. If there's a few no camera spots,
do we got to do? Bro? Like, it's we all
know that it's been like for a while. You're in
(08:46):
the public, bro, Like, there's a phone up in two seconds,
you know what I mean? You try and put like
you try and do a hospital escore and pull your
gun out in the middle of the hallway and there's
a mom with a kid, an old man and a
lady walking and you've got this crimp fucking hitting the
bolt straight down the hallway. You're gonna put your gun out, bro, Like, honestly,
good luck. If you're very good shop, you still got
please explain when it ricochets and it fucking it's a
(09:07):
little kid. Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's
this is what I'm saying that you've got to be.
You're always at that heightened state of fucking awareness twenty
four to seven, bro. And it's what I found at
the start of the job was to try and switch
that off going home, you know what I mean, like
doing escorts and being all right, what's happening over there
in the wing, what's happening there? It's to switch that off, bro,
it's very it's very difficult. And if you don't have
(09:29):
I guess the coping mechanisms or the right you know,
how to deal with it. It's it's tough because just constant, Bro,
you're going to cls and you're like, fuck that blocks
of criminal, Bro, that bloke's doing drug deal just this,
you know what I mean. It starts fucking with you.
You know what I mean. You probably that when when
you've been working, you know, you're going down to the
fucking the street, like what's just looking at bro? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Then the out know, you
bump into a fucking criminal on the outside like some boys. Bro.
(09:49):
It's funny. Yeah, I actually have BRO. I had my
birthday thirtieth birthdays, f bar bro, and I finished up
at about ten thirty eleven. It's like, that's my finished time, Bro.
I don't know if I've told.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You, but that's hard dark with you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Next morning, you know what it was. It was the
thirtieth birth dab of my parents there and everything, so
I had to be responsible man, you know, an I
was walking down and fuck I was with my ex
at the time and I walked down at the time,
I'm like Bro, Like, the last thing I want to
do is be on my ex and see a crimp.
That's the only thing I can do it I may anyway.
So I've seen about four or five boys from Parkley
area five and I just went, fuck weeks ago is
(10:29):
what I said, Just just leave, just relax. And I
just had to laugh with them. Bro, I said, what
are you doing now? Bro? Last week you're in park
I said, listen, enjoy it. I don't want to see
you in Parkley next week. Please just do me your favor.
Just enjoy a night and behave That's the conversation I
had with him. But that comes down to, I guess
the respect and report you have in the jail with
your mates. You know what I mean to come back to.
That's their house, you know, at the end of the day.
(10:51):
And I say this with the most respectful If they
want to punch on, stabbing, gledge, that's up to them, Bro.
Let them do them in their cells and stuff like that.
And that's that's that approach that I took. And it's
not only those boys that I've seen. There's a lot
of other boys that I've seen on the outside where
I've actually had conversation. How you going things? You know,
how you coping outside? But no, no, no grudges. I
don't I don't look at it. If you're in jail,
tell you get fucked. I'm good. The next day, bro,
(11:12):
we'll have a conbo. That's that's how it is. What
are you going. It's like having a fight with your
missus or your mate. Just get over it, bro. I
wish that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I was in the same if I hit someone in
the fucking crusty came back with a gun the next
week the ship.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, yeh, unfortunate. That's what I'm saying. Man. You're in
a controlled environment then and you go on the outside
and doing an escort. Like during COVID when I went
to Corrective Services, I was doing the medical escorts. That
was a tense time being out in public, man, because
one it's COVID. There's no drugs coming in, so there's
a lot of people that come around and just they know, bro,
(11:46):
Like they know people are going to escorts, they know
they're going to hospital. Somehow they know. And there was
one time when I was sitting at Prince Waler Remic.
It was down a dental and I was standing up.
One of the boys was sitting down with one of
the crims, and we're waiting on the outside. So like
when I go there, if, I said, like, obviously general
public in the waiting and there's a lot I find
the space where it's a bit quieter, U. Yeah, because
(12:07):
young kids and stuff like. It's a bit of respectful thing,
you know what I mean, And it's better that way.
So he sat in the hallway and these bloke was fidgeting,
man like, fucking proper the inmate they were with, Yeah,
like fidgety. And I said, fucking said to my mate,
I said, Bro, like, I don't know, Bro, something is
a bit weird, you know. And I've seen three or four,
you know, people with hoodies on in the fucking hospital,
just doing doggies, you know. And I just went, fuck bro,
(12:29):
And I went, nah, bro, surely, And I said to
my mate, I said, Michael, I said, Bro, I'm just
just heads up, yeah, just stay on, like I switch on.
So I got up and I've seen about three of
them come towards me with the woodies on. I don't
think they've seen me because I'm sitting up against the wall,
just casual like that. Yeah, Bro, like, no joke. I
just have my hand on my bat and and they've
just come probably thirty meters and just hit the fucking
(12:51):
hook and gone down the emergency exit. And I just
said to the bike, I said, bro, do you know me?
He goes, oh no, no, no, don't I'm chief done on.
I said, no, it's I went back to the jail.
I got him tipped the fucking Bathurst the next day
because it was probably trying to do a drop or
something like that, you know what I mean. Two days later,
I'm out and there's some big, heavy bloke sitting at
the middle of a fucking emergency just staring at us,
you know what I mean, because how was she gonna
(13:12):
get fucking shit in? Man, there's the other way, bro,
your escorts. So that was tense. It was fucking tense,
but it was I don't know, I enjoyed today. I
enjoyed the adrenaline. I don't know if you can probably
understand it. Bro, Like I never wanted to kick off,
but I wouldn't mind it if a.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Day I always wanted to kick. I always wanted to kick.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, like when the wing's going off in Parkland,
there's ninety blows just going and you that's for us off,
that's a free for all. Bro. You're like, fuck, there's
about your report, like you can do what you want.
There is nothing that man, it's just but the adrenaline
stays up here like four hours after and it's like, fuck,
that was mad A like it was good. I don't
know it's people probably think that's fucking weird, but it's
I enjoy it, man, Like I I enjoyed it. But
(13:57):
I was always in control of what I was doing,
so I never let it over overtake you know how
I did my job. I never thought, Bro, today I'm
gonna pumps. I can't like I'm just say like, okay,
it's kicked off, let's go, it's on. So you turn
that switch. You've got to be able to control that
switch in there, man, because again, you can't get too cocky,
you can't get too you know happy if if you've
had a brawler the next day, it's you just always
(14:18):
got to be ready for work, but you're also got
to be ready for it to kick off, because when
it kicks off in their bro, it kicks off
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