Taking On The Cartel | Angelica Robles

Angelica Robles is a former FBI agent who investigated the cartel. She shares her story of being undercover, having friends murdered and unknowingly being married to a Cartel member.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ap Poche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I am Neil the Muscle Cumments and in this episode
I speak with Angelica Robles, FBI agents involved in taking
down the Mexican Cattail.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
She was murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. The guy had an
axe in the middle of his head and he had
been dead for a while, so the blood had coagulated.
I have seen rooms filled with cocaine. I have seen
rooms filled with money, and I'm just like, that's crazy shit.

(00:42):
So this is a big announcement. This isn't exclusive just
for Neil.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
So tell me about you and then we'll get into
the nissy crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Okay. So I was born in Chicago, but I lived
in Mexico for five years. So when I was born,
my parents decided to take me back to Mexico because
they didn't want me to be Americanized. They wanted me
to grow up culturally rich with the Mexican culture. So
when I was five, we moved back to the US.
We moved to Cicero in Chicago, which is infamous for

(01:15):
obviously being one of the most notorious towns of Chicago.
You know, al Capone was living in Cicero, So Cicero
was predominantly It's literally like the Mexican hood in Chicago,
so predominantly Mexican immigrants, and I didn't know any English
growing up, so I had to just learn everything from scratch.
So I was bullied. I was, you know, called names.

(01:39):
They call me pitty long stocking. I was like, what
is that. I don't know what that is. I would
come home crying and I'm like, these kids are calling
me pitty long stocking. I don't even know what it
is because my mom would put my hair in braids.
But that story short. I grew up in a very
violent neighborhood. There was shootings, there was killings, and I
went to one of the most i would say, probably

(02:02):
the worst high schools in Chicago. And the reason I
say worse is because they had the highest pregnancy rate
in the country at the time that I was in
high school. But needless to say, I grew up with
a lot of violence and a lot of trauma. And
one of the worst things that happened to me, which
led me to want to join the government and become

(02:23):
an undercover agent, was one of my friends was murdered.
She was murdered, dismembered, and decapitated, and that ended up
being one of the worst crimes in Chicago history. And
she was murdered by the cartel. So at the time
I was fifteen, I was dating her brother and she

(02:43):
went on a first date. She didn't even know this
guy and she went on a first date, but the
cartel was after him, and so because they took him out,
they needed to take her out.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And the way that how did you but how did
you feel when she went missing?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
How many days was it? Did you find out? Straight away?
We found out that she was.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Lessing right away because she never came home after the
date and her car was left at a local diner,
so her car was so she left the car at
the diner where they ate, and then she hopped in
his car. So it was instantly that we found out
she was missing. But she went missing for two weeks
and when the first instance that we heard that something

(03:29):
had happened was they found his leg floating in the
Chicago River. So the bodies had been dismembered and dispersed
all over Chicago, which is very it's very common cartel
practice to scatter parts. But his leg had a tattoo

(03:49):
with a heart with his name on it, his mom's
name on it, So when they found it in the river,
they were able to identify that it was him because
he was also missing. So two weeks later they found
her head, and it had been summer when this happened,
so her head was completely decomposed. The only way that

(04:10):
we were able to identify her was with dental records
because she was wearing braces at the time that her
head was found. So, I mean, it completely fucked us up, Me,
my entire family, his family, really anybody who knew her.
We were mentally distraught, and obviously I was fifteen at
the time, so for a fifteen year old to process

(04:31):
that it is a lot. So because of that, that's
what led me to want to work for the government
and find and really become a profiler and find out
why people do this to other people, What in their
insane fucking mind makes people do this. And as the
you know, as he felt more evidence came out of

(04:52):
the case, he tried to say that he was insane,
that the voices in his head told him to do this,
but after more investigation, he was paid money to go
and assassinate really them because he shot them in the
head and then way that he dismembered them and hung
them upside down drained their blood. I mean, it was

(05:14):
satanic shit, and he used samurai swords to cut the
body parts out.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's insane. It's an insane crime. It's it's all online.
It's did you did you know what that? Did you?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Did she know at the time that he had something
to do with the cotail?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
No? Keep in mind, this was two thousand and this
was not even this was ninety nine, so there was
no iPhones. Okay, there was no People weren't doing background checks.
And also we had like what pagers back then, so
it wasn't like she can say, hey, I'm here with
this person or you know, on a text or anything

(05:51):
like that. But she didn't know him. This was a
blind date. This was a first date.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Lay yell. Wow, that's insane.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
It really is. And if you look at the transcripts,
it's very unsettling. I actually read through the transcripts probably
three years ago. This crime has been out for so long,
but I could not read the full transcripts until I
published my book, which was in twenty twenty one. I
actually went back to the court documents and read the

(06:24):
entire transcript because I physically and mentally was able to
actually read them. And even when I read them, I
couldn't believe it because he explains detail by detail what
he did to them and what they were saying, and
how they were talking with knives stuck behind their heads,
like their brains were still functioning with a knife behind

(06:45):
their head, Like it's insane.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Why did you, Like, I get that they wanted him
and they had to do what they did tohead because.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
She was with him, But why couldn't they just let
it go? I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
So cartel activity has no remorse. We know that cartel
violence is probably the worst in the entire world because
they have no mercy, and it's all for the same cause,
right for not to be found. We don't want to
be found. We don't want to leave no trace. But
the thing is, it's like when you do that and

(07:24):
cut up bodies like that. You know, I'm in forensics,
So when you do that and you cut up bodies
like that, it's a lot of work, and it's a
lot of evidence that's left behind and blood drippings, body parts.
I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot to dismember
to bodies and then make sure that you get them out,
and it's a lot. But the way that it all

(07:47):
went down, the guy was at a From what I
remember from the documents is the guy was at a
party and he had a conversation with somebody else about
the killing, and that other person kind of gave like
a tip to the police that hey, I had this
conversation with this guy, you should look into it. And

(08:09):
that's how everything kind of came to light.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, yeah, wow, how did how did that mentally affect you?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Your best friend?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I went into a deep depression. I was fifteen years
old at the time. I went into a deep depression.
I was not able to go to her funeral. It
I couldn't even bear to physically be there. The family
took the body parts that they found and put them
in a coffin and buried her. I couldn't even fathom

(08:40):
that idea because we were all everybody was just sitting
there thinking, oh, there's just body parts in that box.
They never found her torso so it it fucked me up.
I had to go to like ment, I had to
go to therapy. I had to go to like inpatient
therapy because it fucked us up so bad.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Going back to like before all that happened, and you
said that you'd seen stuff as growing up, like violence
on the streets, and like, how bad are you talking there?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like is like shootings they actually winness shootings or you.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Just so, I mean they were being class and there
would be shootings and we would just go under the table.
But the problem was that there were so much gang
activity in Cicero. There was so much gang activity. You know,
obviously Chicago is infamous for gangs like other big cities,
but the Mexican or Hispanic gangs were huge in Cicero.

(09:33):
They still are. And yeah, and you know, they would
be fighting back and forth with each other, and that's
usually what the cause of the violence was, is gang activity.
Gang violence.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
What would have happened if your friend was a relative
of a rival gang but they didn't know and they've killed,
what would have happened then?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh God, there would be a lot of other heads
rolling around for sure, because you know how it is,
it's gang violence, just like cartel violence. They don't there's
no mer you know, I've worked at the border and
seen firsthand the cartel violence, and it's some of this stuff.
I would never wish anybody to see the things that

(10:15):
I've seen, you know, And I'm talking about bodies that
have been fully skinned and are tied to trees, or
you know, dismembered bodies or bodies hanging off of bridges
like lynchings. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
So while you're in school and you're leaving school, you'd
already picked what kind of a job you wanted to
do after this.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yes, yes, I picked.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
My job based on my pain. And I share this
internationally every time I get on a stage. I share
this with people. Is most people that join the government
or join FBID, you know, CIA, they do it because
of some type of trauma. We didn't just watch a
movie one day and say, hey, we want to go
save the world. We do it because we have a

(11:01):
deeper connection to the job, because this is a type
of job that some of us don't survive. And it's
not luxurious, and it's not it's it's exciting, but it's
very dangerous. And I don't think people, you know, the
media and the movies make it seem like it's very loudest.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's no, we are not let me tell you, we
are not riding around in lambos and going.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
To lavish parties like Double seven. Not at all. We
are literally in the slums in the ship, trying to
fit in to our surroundings. By no means that I
ever drive no lambo and have beautiful hair and I
was just flying out the side. No, it was never
like that. I had guns to my head, I had

(11:49):
hands on my throat, you know, punches to my face
like this.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
No, so what what did you actually join the department?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
So I graduated college in four, I went in in
O six, So I started doing cover work in six.
I did undercover work from six to eight, and then
in eight I was transferred to Houston to start doing
more of the interrogations. So I have to say this
because I feel like me getting transferred to Houston to
do interrogations on criminals, drug dealers, murders, traffickers. You know,

(12:25):
all of that saved my life literally, because I don't
think I would have survived much longer doing undercover work
with the technology that we started seeing. Because keep in mind,
when I was doing undercover work, the first iPhone had
just came out, and so we were doing old school

(12:47):
undercover work where we're in the bushes hiding. Nowadays I
can sit here and track you all the way in Australia,
and you know, hack into your phone, and I know
exactly where you're at, what time you're sleeping, what time
your alarm was off, what time you're leaving your house,
what time you turn on your car, because now everything
is digital and we can hack into everything. So it

(13:11):
really is a gift for me to be able to
speak on how it is to do old school when
you're in the van holding the camera and driving the
car at the same time, Like, we don't have to
do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
While you were doing that, did you ever get like
did you ever get SOT out or.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah? Yeah, So my cover was blown. I was in
upstate New York by myself, okay, and this was probably
more undercover than not, because I did was undercover and
I went into a cartel member's wife's business and I
was getting my hair done by the wife. And you know,

(13:54):
back then, the tech, like I said, the technology wasn't
as good as now. So I had a purse that
we had cut a hole in the purse and we
had a camera inside the purse. So I sit situated
the purse so that whenever she was doing my hair,
you could see the activity that was happening in the back.
So at the same time that I went to go

(14:15):
get my hair dyed by the wife, they were bringing
in cocaine from the back and they were putting it
in bottles of you know, shampoo, and so the camera
was catching this activity. Well, she was like, oh, yeah,
the weather in New York, you know, blah blah blah,
and you could see the activity. She had no idea,
but that's how we found out that there was this

(14:37):
activity happening. So I had to go in there and
act as a client and say, oh, yeah, I'm here
from out of town. I have to you dye my
hair black. So yeah, wow, what I was. I was caught,
you know. I and I say this in the book.
For those that don't know, I have a book out.
It's called Through These Brown Eyes. I speak. I speak

(15:00):
very lightly on this stuff because we're gonna let the
movie speak more of it. But I was caught and
they So I was in upstate New York, and you know,
it's very mountainous and it was in the middle of winter.
They tried to crash my van so that it would

(15:21):
go over the side of the mountain. So that in
the movies is true. They do do that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well instead of doing that, I was like, look, you
kind of start thinking about what your chances are of survival.
So I was like, I don't want to plumb it
to my death. That's that's not my first choice. So
I stopped and I surrendered. Now at the time, I'm
forty one now, but at the time I was twenty three,
so I look very young. So my twenty three was

(15:48):
probably looking like sixteen. And I think that that actually
saved me because they could have killed me. They could
have killed me, but they didn't. They also did not
take any of my limbs up, and they didn't disfigure me.
Usually when you are caught, they cut your limbs off
or they disfigure you, because it's almost like this is
your partying gift. Thank you. Now you're disfigured or you're

(16:11):
missing some limbs. And I think they felt bad for me.
I mean, they still beat me, but it wasn't to
the point where I'm disfigured. And obviously I went through
the trauma. But I always say this story, and I
said this on another stage that I got on and
I hit up Verizon. But when I was taken, I
had two phones. I had my personal phone and my

(16:32):
government phone. My personal phone was t Mobile that shit.
They grabbed it and they threw it, But I grabbed
my Verizon phone and I stuck it in my bra
so because I knew that as soon as the van
would start moving, they would know my location because of
the tower. Back then, your phones would ping off of

(16:54):
towers to get your location. That's old school technology. So
that's the only way that I was found because of Horizon.
So I always tell Verizon, and I still to this
day have Verizon because of that, and I will not
get any other phone service because Verizon saved my life.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
How was your How was your cover blown?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
So my cover was blown because I was following them
and they saw me following them. Here's the thing about
doing surveillance is that when you're in upstate New York
and you're the only two cars out there, it's it's
gonna be very difficult. Now, if if I would have
done that same, that same undercover work, now things would

(17:36):
have been different. I could have been sitting in a
cabin in the top of the mountain, they would have
never known because of the technology. But back then, if
you're following somebody and you're in a rural area upstate
New York, it's literally them in the car, so they're like,
who the fuck is following them? Yeah, So to my defense,
I was it almost was like it was inevitable. It

(17:57):
was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So do you think do you think also, what's because
you were you buy yourself, you said.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
By myself a lot of a lot of these smaller
missions we did on our own. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Do you think that saved your life too? Because if
you the being with a for sure?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Oh yeah, they would have killed us both and threw
us over the mountain for sure. Oh yeah. The power
of a woman to a man is, you know, it's
effortless because we and I think I always talk about
this as well, is when I go into an interrogation room,
I don't look like an interrogator. They think I'm a psychologist,

(18:39):
but I am the interrogator. But my tactics and the
way that I finesse them is totally different. I get
them so comfortable that they think I am the therapist,
that they start talking about their childhood and then I
literally ignite the child in them and they start crying
and then they just start divulging information. A man can't

(19:00):
do that, and so I think that's why I became
very successful as an interrogator, because I was able to
tap into the child of the perpetrator. So men can't
do that. You know. Men come in and they're like,
tell me this motherfucker, and then they just they shut down.
But a woman's power is totally different.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
So, wow, what was it? So we'll just go back.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I just want to know about your first assignments and
what it felt like to get your first assignments.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Oh my goodness, My first assignments were very The first
ones were easy. The first ones were just surveillance. So surveillance,
you know, you just follow people and for those that
don't know, whenever you're working on these huge cartel or
even corporate fraud cases, a lot of evidence is needed
and we're talking years of evidence, and so a lot

(19:50):
of it is digital evidence, phone conversations. We need to
have incriminating information that is videotaped and audio recorded. So
a lot of my first stuff was just me following
you around. I would follow you around days, like four
or five days, and you never knew. I was like
in the bushes in your yard with the camera through

(20:11):
your windows, like listening to all your calls, conversations, following
you around to see your patterns, what time you get up,
what time you leave, what time, what time you're meeting up,
what time the runs are happening, stuff like that, And
it was it was awesome because you're literally just part
of the darkness. And then when they finally get indicted,

(20:33):
and we'll get into this, you know, I don't know
if you watched Chapels Court hearing, they literally were like
they were watching us and hearing us the whole time
for years, for years, because a lot of these cases
we collect evidence for years to be able to indict.
So those are the first ones where you're just kind of,

(20:54):
you know, following around and really learning how to stay
in the shadows and not get caught, how to stay
three cars behind without losing them, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
So when you buy yourself at the starles at the start.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Level, at the start, I was being trained, so there
was like one or two other agents, yeah, training me,
but most of the investigations are usually done by themselves.
Back then, Now when we do surveillance, you know, you
have the van and then of course you have the
vantage point, but everything is done digitally, so you don't
really need a van, like you could be in an
office with all your gadgets connected. So that's just for

(21:32):
the movies. The little van, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
For the movies.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Were you nervous at the start.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, I was very nervous, But I also knew that
I had to pay my dues because to get to
the level of interrogations that I got to, you had
to pay your dues. Because everybody wants to be a profiler,
everybody wants to be the mind reader type positions, but
you have to pay your dues. And the way that
you get to apply to those positions is by making

(22:01):
your resume look nicer. So I'm a woman, I'm Latina,
I'm doing undercover work that looks amazing on my resume.
So everybody usually has to do undercover work before they
can start doing the higher level positions. And that's how
they make it so competitive because not everybody gets those positions.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
So when was it.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
When was the first time you actually got like, was
there every a time when you thought this is not
for me.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
No, never, you didn't have any second You never had
second thoughts.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
No, But I think I think because my pain was
so great and I felt like, you know how people
joined the military after, you know, Americans, a lot of
Americans joined the military after nine to eleven. It's that
feeling like I'm giving back and I'm giving back to
my my murdered friend. Really, so my idea to go

(22:57):
into the government was I wanted to make a difference.
I wanted to get these assholes and figure them out,
and you know all that. So I really chose my
career based on my pain, not really based on my passion.
What I'm doing now is everything based on my passion.
But my career was chosen out of pain.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
But there must have been a time, like you've said that,
you've been as a being held to you. You've been
as ament ever been held you where you thought that
it's never been drawn and God's ever been drawn to you.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Oh God. The government, I mean the government did not
stand by me. The Department of Defense blacklisted me when
I published my book. So the government was I wouldn't
say they weren't good to me, but they weren't. They
were bad and good but I will tell you this story.
When I moved to Houston, one of the task force

(23:53):
that went to the border. There was probably about six
of them. You can look it up. It's it's it's
out there. I was supposed to be part of that
task force, but because I wasn't on the field anymore
and I was, you know, in house, meaning I was
doing more of the interrogations, I didn't go on that mission.
Those guys got killed and beheaded by the cartel and
their heads were put on stakes in the border. These

(24:16):
were agents. You can look it up. There's a lot
of the stories like that. And I remember when that happened,
I said, I have to leave. Thank God that I
wasn't there because my head would have been on a
stick too.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So that's my last question. Did you have you ever
thought about?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Is this for you? So that was one.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
That was one, and that was probably the only one,
and that was probably the biggest one. So in twenty thirteen,
I finally did leave and I became a contractor. So
from twenty to thirteen to now, I've been doing contract work.
So I still work for the government as a contractor,
but I do specialty cases. So they'll call me to

(24:58):
interrogate a specific case. And I have three different contracts
with three different agencies, so I still have So yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Know, you know, you know when something like that happens,
and you know them them agents all got killed. How
what's the feeling like in the department? Whence they you
lose six guys or females like that?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
The way they did? Is it hushed or is it?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
How is?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
How's it all happened?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
So when so when we kill people or when we
shoot people, we have to go to mandatory therapy the
same post. If we lose somebody that was part of
our team, we also go to therapy. But what a
lot of people don't realize is this is what we
sign up for when you sign your life away and

(25:49):
you take your oath to the government. It's it's in
the paperwork. It's in the paperwork saying there's a possibility
you may die, there's a possibility that you know, you
may lose some limbs, there is a possibility that you'll
be traumatized. It's all in there. So unfortunately, we're signing,
we're signing our lives way to these things happening. So
you already go into this type of work knowing that

(26:13):
things like this will happen there's and they do. They
happen all the time. Sometimes the media doesn't doesn't report
it right because it's all internal stuff. There's a lot
of stuff going on that that the public media just
doesn't know about. And it's a lot of people getting
killed or murdered. So yeah, especially on the cover agents,
for sure, But is.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It is it because it's every day life for you guys,
and and it's that it's that bad over there that
if something like that happens, do you actually show like
that you're you're upset and you're grieving or do you
just have to blanket out and put this hard image on.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
At first we do, but then you you know, after
a while, you go nun you know. I always talk
talk about this. It's like when I first when I
first interrogated my first murderer, I remember getting so upset,
like I wanted to kill him, like how he was
telling me what he was doing to children. I wanted
to kill him, like I literally was like, let me
kill you with my bare hands. But you learn to

(27:13):
compartmentalize your emotions and you learn you just go numb
because you hear so much shit, and you see so
much shit you literally just go numb. So you get
to a point where I remember when I saw my
first dismembered body, I had to run out because of
the stench, and I threw up. And then one of
the senior agents was like, don't worry. You'll be able

(27:36):
to eat your lunch on top of a writing body.
You'll be good, That's what they said. And I was
just like, oh my god, this is crazy and I
will never forget this. The guy had an axe in
the middle of his head like the movies, and he
had been dead for a while, so the blood had
what's called coagulated. It had like become like jelly, and

(27:58):
it smelled so bad, and the guy was just like, Eh,
she'll get over it, and eventually I did. But that's
the process that you go through, is that you go
through this mental fuck of like, oh my god, what
did I sign up for? But then after a while
you're just like okay. But keep in mind, I grew
up in I grew up in a neighborhood where people

(28:20):
were getting murdered, people were getting killed. My own friend
was murdered and decapitated, so I already was kind of
desynthesized from this because I came from that neighborhood. But
somebody who has never seen this type of crime or
violence is it's more difficult to digest. So same, you know,
same thing with the border. I get sent to the
border to work Department of Homeland Security all the time.

(28:43):
There's some agents that have never seen the crime or
just the gruesome deaths and murders that are going on
from cartel warfare. I mean, they would be traumatized for life.
So it also depends what you're doing. Right, It's almost
like joining the military. You have the infantry that actually
goes and kills people, and then you have the people

(29:04):
that are it and just stay behind the computers. So
it also depends on what you're doing. You know, the
accountant agents are not going to be going to the
border to interrogate cartel members.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
What are your neighbors reckon the like you did? Did
they know about what you did?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
No? In fact, I actually have this funny story that
it never made the news. But you know, I'm sure
my ex husband is gonna listen to this, But we
were living in a neighborhood, in a rich neighborhood here
in Houston before we divorced, and I never told my
neighbors what I did. They thought I was a stay

(29:40):
home mom, so I played the stay home mom card.
So we lived in this cul de sac and there
was these kids. They were kids, they were high school
kids that decided to rob all the cars in our neighborhood.
And I had a dog that was trained to kill,
and I also we had crazy surveillance system in the house.

(30:02):
So my cameras and my dog picked up that these
kids were. My husband at the time had left his
truck outside his suv and they were trying to break
into the suv. So my dog starts barking. My ex
he can sleep through the apocalypse. He doesn't even know
what's going on. I'm watching the cameras. I literally ran
out the front door and I got two of them,

(30:24):
and I had them both under me, cuffed one and
was on top of the other one. I hit the
button on our surveillance system, so the cops came in
like a second. They were like, who the fuck are you?
And I showed them my badge because I had both
of them. One of them got away, because you know,

(30:44):
it's only one of me, but one of them got away,
and I remember saying this, I'm like, you guys are amateurs.
You never come to a rich neighborhood to rob wearing sandals.
What are you doing wearing sandals? Guys are stupid? And
here I am like in my nightgown. Literally I had
one hand on the kid's throat and I'm straddling the
other kid and they were terrified. They were like, please

(31:06):
don't kill its. The cops came. They were like, who
the fuck are you? And I was like, I should
show them my badge. They're like, do you want to
be on the news And I was like, no, you
guys can say that you caught them, so okay. But
then my neighbors were like, holy shit, we lived with
a fucking like undercover agent.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
What was it was? Was any of your agents saw
anyone you worked with? Ever bolt?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh? Yeah, that happens all the time, like when they
switch sides, for sure, that happens all the time. I mean,
the corruption is insane. I talk about this in the
book is Everybody has a price. You know, when we're
moving one hundred and sixty eight billion dollars of cocaine

(31:53):
across borders, somebody is somebody is letting somebody open the
door for them, you know what I mean, Like people
have prices and unfortunately the military is involved. Also, you know,
there's submarines out there moving drugs in the ocean. Everybody
is involved, and everybody has a price tag and money talks, unfortunately.

(32:17):
But also there's a bigger there's a bigger problem. Who
do you think is giving or arming the cartel? The
US is because there's trucks of guns crossing the border
and nobody is saying anything. It's literally just okay, you
guys can pass what.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
There is a question. And this always gets me because
I always think, you know, when when they when you
come across and you do a drug bust and you
find a lot of drugs and then the agents come
in first with the koppers and they got and they've
got it like kilos and kilos there.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Surely surely someone takes them for sure.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yes, I have seen I have seen rooms filled with cocaine.
I I've seen rooms filled with money, you know, like
the cartoons where you're like looking around and there's like
little there's money everywhere. I've seen all that. And the
government does use the funds to buy things for the government.
But come on, like you're gonna say, yeah, all of

(33:21):
that happens where they take some they take money. Of course,
all of that happens, especially if it's done under the
table and it's not accounted for. If you're the person
that's like, oh it's ten kilos but it's really twenty,
you know, Yeah, all that happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
So for sure, Wow, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Like I've always thought that, I always wanted to know, like,
surely someone takes all No one's gonna notice if one
hundred king.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, some of them are even doing the drugs.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Fuck can now which one is the hardest to interrogate?
Is it murderers, drug dealers or terrorists?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I would say terrorists, because terrorists have a different reason
why they're doing what they're doing. And I'm gonna say
from the ones I've interrogated, the terrorists that I've interrogated
are doing it for a bigger cause they believe. And
I remember I wrote this in the book suicide comes
with pain, but terrorism comes with honor. One of the

(34:23):
guys told me that when I interrogated them, they said,
when we do the suicide bombings, we are honored. When
people commit suicide, it's out of pain and sorrow and
anger of the mind. So it's almost like the self
inflicted suicide is a mission towards their higher power. Does

(34:47):
that make sense? And I remember sitting there like, Wow,
that's deep shit, because for them to murder an entire
race and commit suicide, it's looked at as honor, like
look at him, he gave up his life for the
higher power. And I'm just like, that's crazy shit.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Wyew Have you have you ever had to like being
assigned to go and get a terrorist and stop him
from blowing up? Or is it too late? Or if
you just done a raid on someone who you knew
was a terrorist?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, I mean I was. I was involved when when
we knew that certain things were going to happen, but
I only got them when they were already caught. All
of my guys were already caught, all of my guys
were ready to talk, all of my guys were already
ready to make deals. And that's another thing that a
lot of people don't realize. And again, we can have

(35:42):
first hand knowledge of this, of how drug dealers or
terrorists work for the government and they cut deals, you know,
with our announcement.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So yeah, so what about what about sex trafficking, because
that's a big thing over there.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yes, sex trafficking. And look, I got dragged for it
on James English and I know James is gonna watch
our podcast, but I ended up being James's second most
watched video. For some reason, people don't like to know
the truth. And you know, everybody was fact checking me. Okay,
Houston was number one. Now I think we're number two. Okay,
we're still up there. We're right next to the border.

(36:18):
So human trafficking is huge down here. And then of
course I got dragged because I was like, it's all children.
Nobody cares if you're everybody's getting traffic. It's mostly the
kids that are getting traffic, and I think it's about
thirty percent. But if you're an adult and you're being traffic,
yes it's bad, but you have control of your you

(36:38):
have control of your decisions, whereas a child does not
have control and they end up in this life. But
human trafficking is huge in Houston. It's literally probably one
of the biggest money making things that's going on. And
I have a friend who did the documentary David Hutchinson
made the documentary on the human trafficking, and he said

(37:01):
something that just literally made my skin in craw was
drugs can be sold ones, children can be sold more
than once. So you can just imagine human trafficking is
as big as drug trafficking because drugs are sold ones,
children can be sold multiple times. And it's crazy because

(37:24):
you know, we know it's happening, and Houston is a
huge hub for it, and you'd be surprised people think
that a lot of the human the child trafficking that's
going on, it's immigrant children, but it's not. It's also
American children that get caught up in the life and
get caught up in the business. So it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
They where did they whether they pray on the on
the kids.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Is it mostly schools or.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Online? A lot of the kids that are American and
are in human trafficking are kids that are being bullied,
are kids that need to feel wanted or need to
feel that they're a part of something. A lot of
times they you know, they meet people on chat rooms,
a lot of people. A lot of times these kids,
you know, join these like little parlors, massage parlors and

(38:12):
stuff and get into that life. Especially the young girls.
You know, they they get sold this dream of making
unlimited money for sex and they're all under age. And
then obviously the ones that are coming from different countries
are being sold by their families. They're like, here, you
can have them, go ahead. Because of the financial situation

(38:33):
is they're selling kids to trafficking. So here's what I
always say, if there's a need for drugs and sex,
it's never going to stop. It's never going to stop.
This is and I hate to say this, but this
type of business is stimulating the US economy because of

(38:54):
how much money is generating. You know, my friend, he
said his exact quotes or his exact what is it
like money that he made was one hundred and sixty
eight billion dollars of cocaine that he was moving from

(39:14):
the US to South America. One hundred and sixty eight
a billion. So imagine if cocaine can be sold once,
and children can be sold more than once, you do
the math.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
What about organs?

Speaker 3 (39:32):
So organs? So organ trafficking is also something that's big.
It's not as big as drugs and human trafficking, but
there is a big market for it. There is there
is black market out there for it, and a lot
of people do end up asleep without organs, right, there's
kidnappings and all that, but there is a huge market
for organ trafficking and we're talking between like five thousand

(39:53):
to ten thousand dollars. Sometimes you can get an organ
for more. But it's funny because I never really worked
at that side of interrogations investigations. But there's a lot
organs that you can live without, Like I think there's
like a list of eight organs that the human body
can actually live without. And there's people that will willfully

(40:17):
give organs away in the black market because they need
the money, right, But there is a market for it,
especially now you know cancer is so prevalent, so like
kidneys lungs, like you can live with one lung, you
can live with one kidney. I think there was like
part of your pancreas that you can get removed and
be like here, have it, pay me off. So that's

(40:40):
not as that's not as talked for. It's not as
tough much about I think there was one movie that
was made. I can't remember what the movie or the name,
but the guy was English that did it, and you
know it's out there for sure. There's a black market.
You know, for those that don't know about the dark web,

(41:00):
you can go to the dark Web and you buy anything,
including or.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
But are so scary that to the fact that you
tell me that all this just passes through the border
and everyone just goes, yeah, go buy, go buy, It's like,
I just yeah, that's so fucked up.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, And unfortunately, the war against drugs is never going
to end because the need for drugs is never going
to end, just the way it's just the same thing
with the need for sex and vices and addictions. As
long as there's addiction around, there's always going to be
a need for it. So especially cocaine. You know, cocaine

(41:41):
is a highly effective, highly addictive, highly expensive drug to get,
so it's a high commodity. You know. Now we're been
dealing with fentanyl and all those pills that are being
made in Chinese battoes with god knows what's in them.
But if there is a need for them and there's
people buying and spending money, it's going to continue to happen.

(42:05):
There's two different sides of the DA There's obviously the
cocaine and then there's another side that works with pharmaceutical drugs.
So it's two different it's two different units.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, what's what's what's the biggest drug moving over there
at the moment. Is it still cocaine? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh god, Yeah, the drug market has not stopped. In fact,
COVID made it even worse because people people were at
home literally, you know, without without anything to do. So
like addiction went up higher. Sex addictions went up higher
because now you were stuck at home thinking with your
mind and you had all this time to do it.

(42:42):
Just the drug business just boomed during COVID, and then
everybody was at home, so it's like there's no one around.
And here's the one thing that I do want to
mention about cartel activity that I always laugh about. If
there is going to be a movement of drugs happening,
don't you think that the cartel is going to hire

(43:03):
construction workers to cause a diversion or to cause an
accident so that the cops go that way, so that
we can move the drugs this way. Like it's you
see the shitting cartoons, you know, you distract the bunny
so that the turtle wins the race. You know, So

(43:24):
a lot of people don't realize that organized crime is
literally a synchronized activity. It's like everybody has their job,
everybody knows what they're doing, everybody is in place. It
is an immaculate operation. You know, it's not just dudes
crossing drugs across the border. You know, it's lawyers, doctors,

(43:46):
business owners that are in on it, moving pieces. So
and it's the same thing. You know this, it's same
thing with the most everybody has everybody's business. They're legit
business owners. Now if they bought their their businesses on
drug money, it's still a legit business. They have restaurants,
eye cleaners, you know, all types of businesses. It's how

(44:08):
it is with the mafia. And you need to have
large amounts of evidence to be able to convict some
convict somebody. That's why in some of these movies you
see you see the drug lord talking to the cops
and he's like, what, I'm running my business. You know.
That's what a lot of people don't understand. And I
think it's just ignorance, and really it's just the media

(44:29):
and the movies have caused a certain thought process like, oh,
this is how it really is. Like, you know, when
people are, like you didn't know your exo's in the cartel.
Like he was not moving kilos and kilos of drugs.
We didn't have kilos and kilos of drugs in my attic,
Like that's not what he was doing. He was working
the business side of things. Like do you get you know,

(44:51):
but a lot of people don't get it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
What what do you do?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You think the American governments are on top of it,
or you think that that they haven't got a clue,
then I.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Have a fucking clue. Not at all, not at all.
And you know, my business partner will tell you, he'll
tell you firsthand because he was the one movement everything.
And in fact, you know what we're trying to create,
Jay Flores and I what we're trying to create is
we're trying to help the US government really dismantle the cartel.

(45:23):
And this is the crazy thing is it's coming from
somebody who chased cartel members for eighteen years and an
actual person that was in charge of the one hundred
and sixty eight billion dollars that got crossed, Like this
man is the one who did this. So this man
is not going into the classroom and saying, hey, you
guys are doing it all wrong. This is how you
dismantle the cartel. Firsthand, he was number three in hierarchy

(45:49):
of the cartel.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
You're not scared the way you talk and yeah, I
mean like and he brings things up.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
You're not scared, No, because I am not affecting their routes.
I'm not. What I share is not affecting their operation.
They're still going to operate regardless of what I say.
I'm just sharing what I know in my experience. But
everybody always says that, like, oh my god, they're gonna
kick Why would they kill me? What are they gonna

(46:16):
get by killing me? I end up? If I end
up dead in a ditch, it's gonna be plastered on CNN.
That's too much noise for them. They're trying to not
get noticed. And the crazy thing is is I wasn't
even part of I wasn't part of the cartel, right,
I was part of the FEDS. But imagine my business partner,

(46:37):
who was number three in the cartel, Like that question
would would probably be best suited for him. But I've
asked him that question. He's like, no, I made a choice.
We all make choices in life.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, it's just because I just feel like, you know,
you've got so much info you can show, like you
can talk on how they got it through or how
they try.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
And get it through.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
It's like you're giving away little trade secrets and it's
like fucking else. She talks too much, Man, get wouldn't
I get the shits with that?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Well, I'm not I'm not really talking about the actual routes.
I'm not really talking about you know, what time, what
time they're moving it, you know, stuff like that. But
it doesn't you know what I mean. But it also
doesn't take a rocket science to understand that this is
this is an organized operation like they they've been doing

(47:29):
this for years and years and years, and unfortunately the
government is also in on it because they're getting paid
off to let all these things go in. So you know,
like I talk about this in my book, and we
could talk about this because he's he's mister Trump is
being indicted for all types of bullshit. When the whole
situation happened, when all the patriots rushed into the Senate

(47:54):
or I don't know if it was a house of
representatives of the Senate, Like you're gonna tell me that
this high security, the most powerful military in the world
let these people into a government building, like they just
walked right in, Like I've been to d C. I
have a story in my book how I got kicked

(48:16):
out from a government building and I had access to
the building. Like why do people think that this was
not planned? This was a planned event, Like you're gonna
tell me that the strongest military in the world is
going to let civilians some of them had like bats,
into a government building to terrorize. Come on, Like, are

(48:41):
we really gonna believe that? I mean, like, when you
put it like that, you're thinking, yeah, this was planned,
and they happened to be a certain color and from
a certain demographic, like and they were all, you know,
wearing red hats. Yeah, You're just like, okay.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
All right.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
So I'm thinking, all right, So when you wrote your book,
let's let's let let's get to this bit, because this
is the bit that I want to really talk about.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
When you wrote your book.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And your husband came clean about what he was doing,
how the fuck did you feel when you found out
about your husband, your ex husband.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
So I explained it like this, I felt like I
got hit by a train and I had survived like
I wanted to be dead, But then I realized I was.
I was fucking alive, and I was like, I gotta
deal with this, and I'm part of the government, so
I have to report this and the reason and a

(49:54):
lot of people say, oh, she's not a writer died
and I'm like, but you don't understand. When you're a
cartel wife, you choose to be a cartel wife. I
did not choose to be a cartel wife. And the
fact that he chose me and thought he could get
away with it for this long, to me was insane,
like how selfish? Right, because his dad didn't want us

(50:16):
to get married, like his dad begged them not for
us not to get married. But I felt like my
entire life was over, Like I literally thought my life
was over. I was on the floor crying in the
fetal position, like what the fuck am I going to
do now? Because what people don't understand is I gave
the oath to the government, so I now had to

(50:37):
tell them who I had married. And the funny thing
is is they didn't come after him. They came after
me because I could. I now could have been a
trader to my own country because I swore under the
Bible that I would not do any of this activity.
So I went under federal investigation for seven weeks. Not him.

(51:00):
I was now sitting on the other side of the
interrogation table getting interrogated. And I was even there looking
at the interrogator like, you're really gonna ask me that, like,
let me coach you through this, because I was considered
I'm considered one of the best interrogators in the world.
So yeah, my entire life came crashing down. And the
simple fact that people don't understand I had to go

(51:22):
under federal investigation for seven weeks. Why would I make
this shit up like you can't. I would never ever
want anybody to go through this. I would never wish
this life on anybody, especially an agent, somebody that was
working for the government, like you know. And then people
are like, oh, you must have not been that good,
you know, for to not see it. They say shit

(51:44):
like that, you know, they said it on James English.
But I was like, you guys don't understand. I never
saw drugs. I never saw bricks in kilos of drugs.
He was doing things on a higher business level, right,
and so how was I going to see it. You know,
he was at business meetings, he was at business dinners,
he was at business trips. I never saw it was

(52:07):
never like I saw a truck full of cocaine. That
wasn't it. But people are so ignorant that they're like, oh,
she's not that good. And I'm like, you guys don't
realize that there's different levels of cartel activity.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, So did he gave me an altimating any of
these meetings?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Did you ever go to one of these meetings like
with him, like and you just thought it was it
was work mats, you can think about it.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I was at home with babies, I was breastfeeding, I
was running my business. I was, you know, taking care
of the house, taking care of everything at home. I
never questioned it because it was it's like Wolfall wall Street,
you know Wolfall Wall Street with Leonardo DiCaprio. He when
you work with high when you work with millionaires that
are buying buildings and properties in Houston, who do you

(52:54):
think most of these owners are? They're cartel members that
are buying buildings in Houston. They're business owners. And he
he was doing the dealings, you know, of whatever sort.
So I would never see it because it was part
of his job.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
So yeah, so never ever did you.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
There were some instances where I thought things were a
little off. You know, his uncle was murdered by the
cartel and was dismembered and decapitated. So this is also
in the pike. And because he it's in the book.
So this came out of my ex husband's mouth. Is

(53:34):
his uncle was moving a million dollars worth of cocaine
from Houston to Pennsylvania and they caught him and they
killed them and they stole a million dollars. So my
ex's father lost a million dollars worth of profits. And
it's funny because a million dollars, you know, to us,
it's like, oh my god, but a million dollars is

(53:55):
a drop in the bucket for the cartel members, you know,
but it's a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
But how long did your marriage? Did that happen?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
So that happened before we got together. But I would
hear during the Christmas parties and the family parties, the
aunt would say that that her husband was murdered, and
I'm like, well, how is he murdered? And they would
always say, oh, he just got in with some bad people.
But they were never going to detail until he told
me the real reason.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
So that his father was involved too.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Everybody well, So it was his dad's side of the
family was involved because he grew up in the cartel.
His dad was money laundering when he was a child,
So my ex grew up in the cartel. So I
always tell people I did have compassion in my ex's
story because I grew up in a violent neighborhood where
people were getting shot and killed. He grew up in

(54:49):
the cartel, so he saw the large amount of money
and large amounts of drugs, and that became the norm
for him. So that's the only way that I was
able to understand that this is a life that he
grew up in and not a life that he joined,
if that makes sense. Because I grew up in the
hood seeing people get shot and seeing gang activity, so

(55:12):
that we had that in common. So that's how I
was able to really forgive what he did to me,
because we still have children and we still have to
parent our children. So that all of that goes into
second books. So my first book ends with him telling
me the truth. The second book begins with me going
under federal investigation.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Okay, do you think he used you?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
No, I don't think so, because they never got anything
from me. I was never telling them secrets. A lot
of people say that, They're like, oh, she was in
on it, and I'm like, definitely not. Why would I
put my children through all of this.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
No, No, I don't think you were in on it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
But what I'm saying is, you know when you come
home when you've had a bad day or you just
want to vent a little bit, and you've come home
when you've said to your husband, Ah, this is happening
at work, this is happening at the agency, this is
the next assignments.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
You never said anything like that.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Saying no, never because we I just we never discussed it,
you know. But the crazy thing is is I was
actually I was in the DA elevator with the DA
director in Houston with when Chopel got caught, and I
remember he got the call. And it's crazy how everything
is connected, right, So especially with like the big announcement

(56:29):
that we're going to have, It's crazy how everything is connected.
So if you want to get.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Into that, I'll get it to anything.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
As long as James, As long as James English does it,
I'll have it right.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Okay, so this is a big announcement. This isn't exclusive
just for Neil. So I grew up in Cicero and
Jay Flores also grew up in the same neighborhood, so
we grew up together. J Flores grew up Jay and
his brother Peter grew up in the cartel. So obviously
they were part of the cartel and they did their

(57:06):
career in the cartel. I obviously was affected by the
cartel for the murder of my friend, and I went
and joined the FEDS. So if people don't know the
story of j Flores and Peter Flores, they became informants
for the DA and FBI and war wires, which ultimately
led to Chapel being indicted. Now, what a lot of

(57:27):
people don't realize is Chopo was not the head of
the Sinala cartel. He was not the head. There's somebody
else that's the head. Peter and Jay and Peter were
number three, Chapo was number two. Jay and Peter were
number three and four. So when they decided to work
with the FEDS, they obviously worked with the FEDS and

(57:47):
got Chopo caught. Right, So they went and did their time,
which was twelve years. They spent twelve years in the
Federal penitentiary. So now that they're out, Jay has been
going around the country teaching law enforcement how to dismantle
the cartel. So Jay and I, obviously we knew each

(58:09):
other as children and now as adults. You know, I
spent eighteen years of my life trying to catch them,
and now we're partnering up together and doing a world
tour on sharing the untold story of how we actually
knew each other. And he grew up in the cartel
and I went into the Feds. And it's really going
to take take a storm because we decided to partner

(58:32):
together because we actually have more in common than we don't.
We came from the same neighborhood but had different paths
in life. But now that he's paid his dues and
he's ready to give back, a lot of people want
to know his story. It was it was because of
him that one hundred and sixty eight billion dollars of
cocaine was transferred back and forth from the US to Mexico.

(58:56):
So what a business man?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Huh wow, wow, whatever happened to all that money?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I don't know. He can tell you that, Wow, somewhere,
It's definitely somewhere.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It's well, it's definitely somewhere.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, wow, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That would have been hard for him to get out too,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah. I mean, you know, he paid his dues and
he spent twelve years in the federal penitentiary. So now
he's really making a difference by teaching law enforcement how
to dismantle cartel or what to look for, like, you
guys are looking at the wrong places. You guys are
doing techniques the wrong place. So really, he he's really

(59:39):
telling people the game.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Going back to your ex husband, you were blacklisted and
you've actually lost your whole career. How did that feel
to did you just feel let down by the by
the system or was it.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I felt betrayed. I gave my entire life to the
government and they just dropped me in, like you know,
they dropped me in like a second. But I knew
that publishing my book could lead to that, so I
took a risk, you know. And then this goes back

(01:00:14):
to taking risk, right, because first of all, if I
never wrote the book, I would have never known the truth.
Because the book triggered my ex to tell me the truth.
But also, even if I sold no copies, it led
him to tell his truth, a ten year lie that
he was holding on. To imagine somebody holding a lie

(01:00:35):
like that, it's a lot to carry, especially as a
father and as a business owner, and as a Houston pillar,
because he's a big Houston pillar. But also it also
led me to believe that I was also meant for more.
I was not meant to just work for the government.
Because obviously the book became a bestseller. I then was

(01:00:55):
catapulted into being an international motivational speaker, got published in Forbes,
and obviously now I'm doing this international tour with Jay Flores.
So it's almost like tragedy happened in the midst of triumph.
And so it goes back to taking risk. You know,
I took a risk by writing my life story because

(01:01:16):
essentially the book is my life story, and I took
a risk on sharing that, and the government just didn't
like it. But that was something that I knew was
a possibility that I would be blacklisted, and sure enough
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Did a lot of your colleagues after you got blacklisted
and you lost your career, just give you the cold shoulder.
Did they just did they not believe you? Some of
them about your story.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Some of them didn't believe me, But the ones that
were close to me did believe me. I remember them
calling me and saying like this is insane, Like this
is straight out of a movie. And guess what, that's
exactly what happened. I sold my story to Hollywood because
you can't make this shit up. Like even if we
made it up, it would be a damn good story.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
So like, you, what are you going to do when
they because you've got you've got children.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, so what's going to happen when.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
When they get older and they find out about what
their father did, what their mother did, and then what
what happened in the end about finding out about their dad?
And now that's why you separated, and now that's why
you lost your career.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
How are you going to tell them that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I'm going to tell them that people make mistakes, big
ones and the power of forgiveness. So you know, I've
already thought this out. That's the name of my second book,
The Power of Forgiveness. I had to forgive their father,
and I had to forgive his father for the lies
that they did to me, because when you don't forgive,

(01:02:51):
those people have control over your life. And I had
to forgive him for his lies for the sake of
our children. So that's what I will tell my kids is, yes,
he did something wrong. Yes it destroyed our lives, but
I forgave him because we still have children at the
end of the day. And he did tell me the truth. Eventually,

(01:03:15):
he told me the truth, and it came with consequences,
and those consequences were that we divorced, and obviously that
I lost my career. But the silver lining is I
spun a whole different life from the book. You know,
I'm an executive producer, I'm you know, a best selling author.
I was publishing Forbes twice. So it's like, can you

(01:03:36):
imagine none of this would have happened if this didn't happen.
It's crazy, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
But I know you say you forgive him, but you
lost your whole I know. Okay, all these all these
gates have opened for you because it happened, But you
lost your career that you were, that you went in
for because of your friend.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And what happened to him? Did he get away with me?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Or what? Nothing happens to him. In fact, his career
blew up. And I'll tell you why. The government was
not going to go investigate some hearsaying just because he
says something to me. The government was not going to
go investigate. Department of Defense did not go investigate. In fact,

(01:04:26):
when the book came out, he catapulted and started making
more money because in his industry, it was like a flex.
Does that make sense because he's in business with people
who are buying buildings in Houston. Who do you think
is buying buildings in Houston? Business owners? These business owners

(01:04:47):
have a lot of money who are connected or are
cartel members. And that's what a lot of people don't
realize is a lot of cartel members own tons of
businesses because they have the money for it. So it
was a flex.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
So you lose out, you get drilled, you lose your career,
and he catapults from it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
And no surveillance on him to see what let's see
what we can get from it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
No, because and this is how I explain it. When
investigations are done, it takes years and years and years
and years to do these investigations. He was a speckle
in the whole process of the whole organization. We have

(01:05:37):
to start the investigations start from the bottom. The guys
that are crossing to the top. It's harder to start
an investigation from the top because it's harder they have
their tracks are being covered more than the tracks of
the guy who actually has the product in hand. Does

(01:05:59):
that make sense? So a lot of people don't understand
that is, we're not going to start the investigation up here.
We have to start it down here and move all
the way up. It's these guys down here, the little
guys that tell us who else is involved in the trajectory.

(01:06:19):
It's more, you know, it's more strategic than people realize.
Like people, people are so conditioned to believe, oh my god,
cartel is just it's just trucks with drugs. It's not.
It's this whole organization. So the guys up here are
sitting pretty in the suits, making a shitload of money
because you know, my ex is a high earning man,

(01:06:40):
is you know. But it's these little guys that we
need to talk. So I was interrogating these little guys
so that I can move up the chain. Does that
make sense? These guys, these little guys have less to
lose than the guys up here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
But what does it make sense is and I still
kind of get my head around that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You in your story, your book on podcasts media, you're
saying what your ex did and his family did, yet
the fucking government don't want to do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
They're a lot of this is going into the second book.
So again, you know, like with my business partner, he
can explain a little bit more. But again, there are
some cartel members that end up working for the government
and getting immunity. So I'm not saying that that's what
happened to them, but that's a possibility. A lot of

(01:07:38):
people end up getting immunity and end up cutting deals
for giving up information, and those those deals and those
things never come to the media's eyes. So I was
just going to drop that, you know, so that people
can think about that, because that's what that's how it happened.
You know, his father didn't even live in the US

(01:07:59):
for ten years. Why would the dad not be living
in the US for ten years. He was living in
a foreign country in Central America, So you get where
I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
So I got a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
It's going to be explained more in book two. But yeah,
but what we got it, you know, we gotta put
that dialogue out there, is that to open these crazy investigations,
it takes a lot of manpower, it takes a lot
of money, and it takes a lot of time. So
we already have all these investigations going already that take

(01:08:31):
years and years and years. I think it took ten
years to indict Chopel, with ten years of wires, ten
years of footage, ten years of surveillance. So think about it.
You think that they're going to be like, oh, he
said this, let's go investigate. No, they investigated me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah. But what I'm saying is for someone of your.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Caliber who worked for the government and knowing what you know,
and oh my god, her X was working for the cartel,
surely they would go, we need to fuck can investigate
this because she was high up in the department and
this guy she's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
She's blatantly openly saying he was pied.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
They didn't, Yeah, they didn't. They did investigate. They did investigate.
They investigated me, They interrogated me, they went through the finances,
the accounts, everything. But here's the thing. When you're at
that level of involvement, you got your tracks covered. Do
you get what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah, I know the trucks. Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
So it's like, so they did investigate, but the investigation
was on me because I'm the one who gave the
oath to the government and I said I would never
be involved in that. So all the attention came to me,
and a lot of people can't understand that. They were like,
why wouldn't they investigate him? And I'm like, there was
no evidence other than the fact that he told me
he was involved. There is no evidence. That's the other thing.

(01:09:58):
There's no evidence. Now I had to report it because
he told me, and now I'm associated with a soul
called cartel member. But I was investigated. And when they
investigated me, and after seven weeks of investigation, they said
she really wasn't involved, because they even tapped into my
phone calls of me crying to my best friend like

(01:10:18):
how did this happen? How did this happen? And my
best friend crying on the other line, saying you tried
to end the marriage because I did. The day of
our wedding, I pulled her to the side and I
said I cannot marry this man and she convinced me.
She took me we had this crazy lavish wedding. She

(01:10:39):
took me to the you know, to the window, and
she's like, look at all these people here and all
these flowers and all this fucking thing you guys did.
She's like, you got to marry him, and that's in
the book and that will be in the movie. And
when this all came out, she was in tears, like
you had a gut instinct not to marry this man,
and I pushed you to marry this man. So all

(01:11:01):
that those calls were all listened to and it, you know,
I was like distraw, like, oh my god, like what
the fuck is happening? So it's crazy. I know it's
crazy enough that we're making it into a movie, but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I still kind of get like, it's okay, I can't
get my head round that. But now I'm trying to think.
I still can't get my head round day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
But I'm trying to get my head now around why
the cota Hel didn't get the shits with him, thinking
does he give us up? As he talked to his
ex wife as he said this, as he said that
did they did they even get involved?

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
No? The only The only thing that he told me
was how his father was involved when they were children.
He never disclosed what he was actually doing in the
present time. That's that's what a lot of people don't
realize is he told me his family was part of
the cartel, and then he told me what he went
through as a child, But he didn't say he never

(01:11:58):
said anything that he was doing currently.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
But this hit the media. Yet this hit the media.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
It didn't. Yeah, for sure, it hit the media. But
here's the other thing. Houston media does not want to
talk to me because they're terrified of the cartel, so
they're not going to put me in the Houston media.
That's why a lot of the media is from like California, London,
you know, Chicago, Florida, but not Houston. Houston does not

(01:12:25):
want to talk about the cartel because their neighbors are
cartel members.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Because that's what That's what I was trying to think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
If this hit the media and I was in the
cartel and I go look at this ship, look at
what ada, I'd be go balking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I'm going to tell you firsthand from the cartel, the
cartel felt bad for me. They were laughing at me,
right and I'm talking this because I obviously my business
partner was number three and seeing a little cartel. But
he was laughing. He was laughing, and he was like,
we they feel bad for you because he lied to you.

(01:13:01):
Because most cartel wives know what their husbands are into, right,
So like Jay's wife, she's in prison right now because
she's got to pay her dues for whatever she did
as being an accomplice to whatever he did, right, so
she knew, so she yeah, she's in prison. And then
Jay's wife and Peter's wife are in prison right now.

(01:13:24):
That's all over the media as well. But that's the thing,
is like there was never any evidence and there was
nobody that wanted to even go look for it. So
leads me to believe that they probably signed some deal
with the government at some point. That leads me to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
That, Wow, that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
It is. It really is, like you cannot make this
shit up. Like I laugh about it now, but three
years ago I was crying in the fetal position about
it because I was like, how does this happen? But
it's almost like a whirlwind, Like I grew up in
this neighborhoo with this cartel member. He went this way,
I went that way. Then I end up marrying a

(01:14:10):
guy that was involved just to lose everything just to
come back to this person. And now we're gonna take
on the world like it's crazy. Yeah, any regrets, No,
I don't have any regrets because if I regret the marriage,
I'm regretting my children, and my children are the best
thing that ever happened to me. So you can never

(01:14:32):
regret anything, because even the worstest part of your life
is what gets you to the best part of your life.
You do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
There's nothing you'd like to have changed, you know, nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
No, nothing. And I literally thought through this so many
times because I was like, I should have never married
this motherfucker. But you know what, seriously, I feel like things.
I feel like God places people in specific situations, and
some of us are too stronger than others, Like I've
been through Helen back in a handbasket, and I laugh
about it now because I'm so mentally strong and I'm

(01:15:06):
so mentally powerful. Then I'm still working for the government
and they're still paying me for the skills that I've acquired,
you know what I mean. So at the same time,
I was like, who's really on top.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
If they ever returned that like blacklist on you and
once said to you, would you come back?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Would you go back? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
No, I wouldn't go back with Department of Defense. No,
I wouldn't go back. But that's the other thing. There's
so many agencies in the government, Like it's just in
the US government, there's over two hundred agencies. Just because
you're blacklisted from one doesn't mean you're blacklisted from all
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, people get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Blacklisted from FBI, DACI all the time, you know. And
I always say, we're the ones that have the most character.
We did something wrong and pissed somebody off, but it
doesn't take away from our expertise and our mastery. You know,
we paid the dues, we did the work. I was
undercover for two years. Like you can never take that
experiences away from me. Like when people are like you're

(01:16:07):
a badass, Like, yeah, I had ten guns to my
head and I survived. Hell, yeah, I'm a badass and
I'd live to tell the story for sure. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Well, you know what, I'm so glad that part three
of this interview has gone well, and I'm glad that
I got you to come on my podcast because This
has been months and months of us waiting to do this,
and I'm so glad, and you know, I'm so excited

(01:16:41):
for the next journey. I won't say too much, but
of what we have planned after this podcast, and I'm
really excited to do something with you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
So but I'm so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Grateful, but coming on my podcast and sharing your story,
it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Thank you, Neil. I appreciate it.