August 31, 2025 • 54 mins
In this conversation, Neil reconnects with longtime friend Taylor Guns, a former dancer and escort whose life journey has been anything but ordinary. Taylor opens up about her early days in the adult industry, her rise to fame on stage, the dark pull of addiction, run-ins with gangs, brushes with violence and the heavy price of living fast. She also shares the turning points that pushed her toward change, including time behind bars, and how she’s now rebuilding her life with honesty, strength and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Appoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Muscle Coumments, and in this episode I speak with longtime
friend of the podcast, Taylor Guns, who shares her journey
through the adult industry, time in jail, and how she's
rebuilding her life today.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But this way.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
When I first started stripping, I made just over four
hundred thousand in a year, had nothing to show but
on Monday, and I ended up saving him with a
corkscrew with a corkscreen the neck. That moment changed everything.
You don't understand how jail works.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's not just you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This is how people are in there. You know they've
got nothing better to do. My mind started thinking properly
at that point. I said, they're gonna come start rating houses.
My children are there. You know it's not gonna stop.
I need to go hand myself in and I did.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Taylor, Yes, long time, Like it's been a long time.
You came on my podcast when I first started Secret
to the Underworld, and years have gone by since I've
seen you since that episode, and a few things have
happened in your life that I thought, you know what,
I need to get you back on and do a
refresher because fuck mabe, like the first episode we think
(01:21):
was are fucking out there, this is just going to
be fucking even out there.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So thank you for coming on. No, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm actually excited for this one because we go back
a long way, me and you, a long way.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I would have met you when I was eighteen, yeah easy, And.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I remember you always from the days in the cross
and you know what, and I can't say this in
a way where I looked at you as a little sister.
I used to protect you in a way where to
make sure you were all right, and then you used
to go up to me if you have problems, And
this is why we were close in ways.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So I thank you for coming on. No, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's true we did grow up to in that scene
at least, yes, because you were kind of newie and
I was on new and we went boom.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Separate but boomge.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So let's start off with how you growing up getting
into this and how you led into this scene of industry.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah easy, I grew up overseas, so my dad was
a criminal, but my mom's side, we come from a
good family, you know, like really good businesses.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
My grandparents worked really really hard kind of a thing.
I went to a lot of schools and I finished
off at a private school, a boarding.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
School, I remember that, you're telling.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You a boarding school. After that, went to college. It
was called June Dally Watkins, a finishing school. So yeah,
and then when I finished from there, I got a
job straight away at MWRS Holden selling cars and that lasted.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like four weeks because I was at the same.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Time, I was working for All Occasion Cruises that Joe lives, Yes,
basically doing cruise directing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The cruise directing you're doing a lot of people, a
lot of people say that that's what it started with.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I seen this strip come on board shining moffoot,
I'll never forget. Yeah, the Barbie doll and she she
did a show and I looked at it and said,
I can do that, you know, like I can do this,
you know.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So that was it. I let go of Holden, forgot
all about my college whatever, not that I was an angel.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But yeah, and that's my beginning of my adult industry.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know, where'd you first get your gig? My first
gig would.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Have been at all occasional cruises and then straight away
I went to Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So tell me about the first night you had to
do you were doing your stripper. Tell me were you anxious?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Were you nervous? Very? It was my first day.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was a day cruise, and I was so nervous
that I did like a police court.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And I had these handcuffs and I was shaking. I
couldn't get him on the guy. I was shaking, and
I came out to Jimmy Barnes, Lady, down your gun.
It was the funniest but that was it. That was it.
Once I did the first one, that's it. I came.
(04:29):
I saw a conquered kind of thing. I knew what
I could do.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But we had always been someone who would express themselves
like body wise, like or because that's that's something to
ask a girl to start to be stripping.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, nervous, she's confident.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Look, my family like was so easy going, Like I
grew up like on boats going around the islands, nude beaches.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've seen it all. Like that stuff was nothing to me. Like,
you know, I'm Greek, you know all about showing our bodies.
And you know the beaches and so yeah, and I
was always kind of out there, so I really yeah,
Anderson was like my biggest idol when I was young,
you know, I was young, and I'm like, I want
to be like her. I want to be like So
(05:13):
I started at twin Peaks.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Therefore, I would probably say it was like a year
and a half maybe, and then I wanted to do
like bigger shows.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Holdly you know, for doing this, hold like.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I would have start eighteen, like there was no mucking around.
I turned eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I was it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was there. If I would have done gone early,
I would have gone. There was nothing stopping me. There
was nothing stopping when you start.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
When you first started, did you ever come across anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Who knew you as in first when they came into
the clubs? Yeah, like relatives and relative Yeah, I had
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
My relatives came in and they knew I was there,
and he tried to like give me a lecture.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But I'm like, but look where you are, man, Like,
you know, you got to doing pepper, salt and pepper,
and I was like, now I'm doing is leaving me alone?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Kind of thing I remember my grandma, she was watching
my outfits.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, I was living at home with my grandma.
Was yeah, it wouldn't be much to fucking wash. She
was my nurse outfits and all that. It was. Yeah,
like obviously they were really really like worried, you know
when they start and they jumped on like online and
they you know straight away like all this bad stuff
was written down and I'm like, but when I seen,
(06:29):
I loved what I did and I was like started
getting medals and.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know, like really into it. They were happy.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
They were happy for me. Yeah, did you ever do
Miss Nude? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I did Miss Snood, I did Miss Ocean specific I
think it was I did heaps of them. Yeah, yeah
I went off you.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Or was that your mat?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like some girls goals where they going, I'm gone into
this is basically to do is business?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Make money, get out or that to do?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I want to do this because I've got nothing else
to do, or you've got girls who want to do
because of the misnews.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I want to love it. I loved it. I loved
being on stage. I loved Megan. Did the crowd go crazy?
It's it was Yeah, I had good stage presents and
I knew it and it made me happy.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It made people happy, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I remember there was one time I did a show
at Sefton and the crowd went so crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I couldn't hear my music.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I could need the beat I did like a belly
dancing outfit, but I used the Arabic mixes and.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was it. That was it, that was it, you know,
it was all. And I could not hear my music
and I know nothing. It was insane like and you
know that's all I needed. I'm going off that you
went from Twin Peaks to you both.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No no, So I went from Twin Peaks, I went
to Pure Platinum.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Then I think that's where me and you mat and
then I went to They.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
They tried to send me to the Cross to Dances Cabaret,
the old one because it was dead and they wanted
to bring it back up, so they sent me there,
and then they sent me to the new Dances Cabaret
when it was just a pub to try and get
it happening. So it was like a little guinea pig.
I guess which pissed me. Pissed me off, you know
what I mean, because like I want it to be
where the people were.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Some, didn't you trying to get like a.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Few people in. And then you know, I started touring.
Do you remember Trinity? I still speak to her. Yeah,
she's changed the whole life. She's doing really well. So
she's like, let's doe double shows, you know what I mean?
And I was like, yes, sweet, let's go. I didn't
realize the potential that had. Next minute, I'm doing tall
magazine covers. I'm touring around Australia.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
We're getting like business stills here there, everywhere. Like it
was intense, but all that also comes with a lot
of shit, a lot of exposure to drugs, a lot
of exposure to the gang land.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know, how did you handle that? When did you
get when did you first in the industry get really messy?
Messy with the drug scene?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Went on? Probably started taking ice?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Really Yeah, how far into your career doing stripping were
you then?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
It was probably like ruining me a lot. Did you
need it to do jobs?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It was just to be what I was hanging out with,
you know what I mean? I always did. I could
never do shows or dance when I was under drugs.
I've always had even when I was escorted.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So you're straight.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I have to be straight. There's no way, man.
You can't be in the beat if you're like.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And you know what I talked to. I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Some girls, man, they get they get on the rack
and they're like they want to you know, they want
to do this, And now I'm like, motherfuck, I don't
touch me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Now you're the opposite. Yeah, So I would like, go work,
make money, four.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Five day builder after that, okay, but it caught up
to me. It did catch up to me.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So you would you say that your platinum is when
it started or before?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh no, probably say just after? Just after? Yeah, just
after that? Was that? Was that the first time you
started taking drugs?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Talking when I was like, I've taken when I grew
up on my ugo as well, we had the pingers,
like yeah, you know what I mean. Coke wasn't as
great as the pingers were.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We had some. And I remember because I used to
come to you and used to let me in. I
was at the back of the line and you're like,
let's go, like.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know what I mean, and everybody would be dirty
with me, like yeah, I'm going in, and then you
guys would let me go from one club to the
other club from.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
The back doors. Yes, yes, I used the back doors,
go from Havana's to here to thee. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, but you think when you were a pure Platinum, yeah,
you would have liked because I remember that work working
the doors there, I was exposed to a lot of
gangland Pure Platinum.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
That's when I when I started.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Even though I was doing a lot of things that
ACMs at the time, there was people coming in or
I was seeing.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Did they try and control you in any way? The strippers,
they try.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
To control us, especially me because I'm not interested in
materialistic things back then. Like I said, I come from
a good family. But there was a scene I'll never forget.
We were pure Platinum and suddenly all these commos I
think it was came up. It was Commos Bendidos maybe
one or the other, sorry, and they kicked everyone out.
(11:34):
They kicked all the stuff out, and they locked us
in the girls room and it was just out of
control and the girls were screaming and crying this and that,
and they tried to come in through the door and
I'm like fucking help me hold the door shut, you
know what I mean. No police turned up, No one
gave a fuck, like you know what I mean, things
were different back then.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What was that thought just to take off the club
or what was that They just wanted a party.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They came in and just like yeah, from what I know,
they wanted to party because they were a mess. You know,
they were like kicking you know, from beers around this
and that. And that's when I noticed a lot of
girls are not made for this Yeah, you know what
I mean, A lot of girls are not made for
this world. A lot of girls would come in and
the crosswad to eat them within months. Yeah, yeah, you
got to like really really.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Have it in Have you seen girls been eating up?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, non stop, NonStop. And they're the ones that know
it all. Yeah I know it was.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah. Do you try and help them or you just
they can't be helped. Look, they don't listen. They don't listen. Man,
they know it all.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They're dating some gangstar and they know it all this
is about, you know what I mean. And then when
the guy goes to jail for twenty thirty years, they're crumbling,
you know, And I'm like well, you know, you can't
have everything, you know, all this shit a you're gonna
last for long. I think that's why I loved making
my own money.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I love that. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think I was in charge of my own empire.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't really date any
gangsters or anything. I wasn't into that, you know, like
I dated Street Rights, that's about it. That's because I
thould I could manipulate the situation. Yeah, I didn't like that.
I didn't want to be with someone that was going
to do ten years, you know what I mean. And
(13:12):
I wasn't interested in materialistic things like handbags and this
and that, so I can be treated on bash this
and that like no, man, I mean, I'm good. I
buy my own ship. Like if you bought me a skateboard,
different story, I'd be there, like I'd love that because
that's what I was into. You know, I still skateboard.
What year did you go to a Being? Oh? But
I'll never forget that. I was at all Ocsun Cruises,
(13:36):
I remember, and I had a meeting at but a Being.
It was just getting made. It was Gary and I
went up there and it was still getting fixed and
I'll never forget. They were like, look, we're going to
open up the club once two three. I'm like, yeah, sweet,
And I was there on the first line. I was
there quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah I know you did, because I remember I remember
seeing your face back in the cross and just what.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And you and you said, yeah, yeah, but I being
was made. But I've been made good money if you
wanted to. You had a good time. The staff were
awesome at the time. Being back then, you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Kind of money would you would you make?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Say?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
All right, I put it being now is established club? Well,
what kind of money were you looking at a stripper
would make in a night on a good night?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Put it this way.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
When I first started stripping, I remember I started writing
down my numbers and I made so embarrassing, man, because
I had nothing to show for it. I made just
over four hundred thousand in a year, but the next
year it easily went down to half. That's when Operation
Pissed Off came in. Remember they started changing the rules
and blah blah blah, And that's when I knew shit
(14:43):
was going bad. I needed to switch it up a
little bit. Yeah, yeah, four hundred k four hundred k.
Had nothing to show. But on Monday every week because
we would go out straight away, we would go to
leg Larks.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We'll go here, we'll go that.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You know you're a girl, you know and start da
dah dah and yeah you do something im thing to
show for it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You know, girls went shopping a lot of money. It
is now I look at it and I'm like, you idiot,
But I have a lot of regrets that I don't
regret anything as well. But was that? Was that on
the book? So we told my cash that was just me.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I wrote it down so I can say what's going on?
But that was cash just off Dame morning cash back then?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Wow, yeah that was cashback then ab none of that.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, you know, how would you hustle it? How would
you hustle a guy?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So just say, for instance, I was coming in and
I was knew, would you go to hustle the one? Nah?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I wasn a hustler. I was a stage girl. People
would see me on stage, you like, I want her.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I couldn't. I hadn't. I couldn't. I'm so embarrassed to
ask a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Guy coming to me do a show, come on, train.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Me your money.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I had a friend of one that used to do it.
She just grabbed them and dragged them in there.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I was like, how are you doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No, I wasn't like that. I couldn't do it. There
was something about it. I had too much pride and
I had no idea how to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like that was a.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Really good business strategy some girls had. There was one girl,
she was a big, big, big girl, and she would
make four hundred dollars her first podium every night by
one client. How I don't know, maybe the big girls.
Maybe he did, but she she was long, you know, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, you're you're saying that you were more kind of
a stage killed than doing privates or you or you
were so baby.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I would go on a podium, I'll do a podium.
People would say it and they'd want me for a private.
And Tuesdays we didn't have to do much. We had
every drug dealer up there going with one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Esay, you remember that Tuesdays was there nice to go out?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That was the time we knew. Tuesdays weekend sucked. Tuesdays
were the bomb, and Wednesdays Mondays were great. But weekends
were ship, Yeah, because he had to be piss't coming in.
You know, you know, suits that don't have much money.
They give me too drunk this and that.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, how would you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Pick a guy who's got money? How would you pick him?
How would you pick that someone's going to give you
that cash? How'd you do that? They would pick me.
They knew I was at that point. They liked what
I was about, but like, like what you're saying was
a sup better was it was a gangsters? They're like, yeah,
the bikies would go in there to spend their money.
That's that was there there point.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Look, Neil, don't forget I was one of the first
girls to be tatted up. I stood out a lot,
you know what I mean, Like guy's dreams back then,
it was like, oh my gosh, she's different, she's got tat,
she's wild.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was quite big, you know, the biggest.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'd say, yeah, I didn't have to do much and
what of mouth kind of a thing, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Like they'd be like, oh, that's Taylor Guns.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, I think you've already major name for you
for yourself, but you made it your name was.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's when I made that name at Butterbean because what
happened in two thousand and seven we blunt. I stabbed
someone and I went They were trying to throw me
in jail, and I went away for a year. I
went to a rehab in Canberra, horrible, horrible place, absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But when I came back.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I went back to but a being and I'm like,
they go Taylor because that my name was just Taylor. Yeah,
like some girl comes after me, she goes, oh that
you can't have that name anymore, it's my name. I said,
I don't fucking think so. So I went up to
the guy and I said, my name's Taylor Guns, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, guns
of a situation And that moment.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I could kiss that girl's feet because let me do
you something. That moment changed everything. That name stuck, Like really, well.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Where did you stop the pist? Where did this happen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it was a bit of a download while you're working,
no kind of. I used to go to this like, okay,
you know Twin Peaks. Basically, there was another restaurant called
john Maners. Some guy started running it. There I was there.
That's my is epidemic hitping pretty hard there. Yeah, something
went down and I ended up stabbing him with a
corkscrew in the neck.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
With a corkscrew in the neck. Yeah, did you just
lose your shits or something? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I had a very bad anger management problems when I
was young.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Fucking corkscrew. Yeah, I have a badge. Was just like
he was just there and you just seen it, yeah,
and just what it? Yeah. I'm like, nah, you really
stepped on my toes right now, this is not happening.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Oh my hey need telling you should not really? Okay,
I don't regret it. Yeah, but then it was too
easy to do again, you know what I mean? Yeah,
that was the issue. Fuck me, you know what I'm
talking about? Like once once you do that once, yeah,
let's see it. It becomes a habit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What I remember that? Did you get it way with
it or no? No?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So I also have a habit of handing myself in.
I have myself in there, put my hand on one.
You were looking at some level next to me. They
were about to arrest team.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He was going green and I'm like, this guy's gotta
fucking throw me under the max and I did, and
they gave me bail.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
But I was looking at time at that point, you know,
So I went to rehab. My grandma chucked me on
a playing that quick mate. She took me straight to Canberra.
I did some twelve month rehab down there. I couldn't
get out of there. Yeah, it was epic.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If I find you that you were fucking like you
do that much in the weather, take it into a
private shower. Can you imagine to sit on the table
in a private show you lost your ship.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you it was I was
a bit, This was a cross man like. I had
to defend myself. You know, you learned to storm shopping there.
Have you ever come across anything that you've been scared?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Like at times? Working?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think I wouldn't say scared, but I remember I
was up but I being downstairs. My sister had come
visited me, you know what I mean, And we've we've
gone and gotten like a hot chocolate or something the usual.
And this guy launched someone from the top of the
staircase all the way down and nearly like got my
(20:59):
sister and I'll pushed out of the way and I'll
never forget his head cracked in half, you know what
I mean. And I look up and I knew the
guy and I said run. But I was upset, you
know what I mean. I'm like, this pool can't like
step like his head was split, man. Yeah, it's the
cross was tough. It was worse during the day.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, you got to you got to see what it
was like. During the day. It was worse. It was
ugly the day it was like the leftovers.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, but you've never been put in the situation yourself
where you felt like, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He times the guy that used to own Sapphi the guy.
So yeah, there was a situation with him in a
private room. He tried to beat my top off and
I wasn't having it at that point, and He's like,
do you know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Who owns this building?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know, I'm going to get this kicked out on one, two, three,
But I didn't know the Bounces had it in for
him too, you know what I mean. So he came
downstairs and I threw a glass at him and I
went to launch at him in his stupard stilltos and
the Bounces it took one bounce to hold me back.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I didn't they didn't need much.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I was half the size of it ome now, and
you know we had exchange words like yeah, and they
just they violated him, like there was not much left
of him.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I had to watch one, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I was like when I get dropped off, I'd.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Run upstairs quickly because I'm like, this guy's going to
grab you for in the vent.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's how it was back then. Wow, it was tough. Jesus,
it was rough, but it was you get used to it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Mentally break you sometimes, nah, or you were you didn't
really notice that.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I could not wait to go to work every day. Yeah,
I could not wait. I'd get up, wake up at
five or six in the afternoon, get ready.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Wow, I can only say it was some of the
besties of my life.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah. But then you moved on to a kind of
different industry, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And I remember you're telling me in your first interview
with me, you did it because you were kind of
like over the kind of strippers where they would take
money for doing stuff that they shouldn't do any kind
of like in a.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Way where they were escorts or do you're a stripper,
which ones you want to be you know what I mean.
It wasn't fair. Yeah, it wasn't fair. It was unfair.
But the other girls that didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Like that either, So you decided to go down the
path of being an escort. Now now, okay, so you're
going from a stripper to an escort.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now tell me how.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The fuck do you do you transform into that? Because
that is a different level.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Okay? Easy? So yeah, I love the way it says
it's easy. Easy. Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So for seven years I had all these fans that
weren't allowed to touch me.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But now they can touch you for a price.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, So you say it's easy, But what these clients
tell you are coming in some of them have got
to be Some of them have got to be like,
I don't want him.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
To touch me. No, you didn't look at powerful in
my work, Like I felt like I was making someone happy.
Obviously I'm getting paid for it. I had my boundaries
to you know, I was in control. I liked it.
Stripping died out.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
There was no money. It started becoming ship people. It
was getting dangerous for a while, Like there were so
many shootings. I didn't want to be a part of.
I don't want you know, Rick Shane bullets around me
like I've already been in the situations.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I had an instinct too, Like my grandma goes, are
you going to work? And I said, nah, I'm not
going for a bit. She goes, why, Oh, I don't know, Grandmam.
Probably end up getting shot in there.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The same night there was a shooting in butter Being like,
I was like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I was like, I'm gonna trust my instinct. I know, Yeah,
it was. It's scary, you.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know, because you came up with Remember telling me there
was a story about something that happened.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
In Yeah, a girl a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
With some girl who I think she did she commit to,
so she got kidnapped or something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, Yah, there was a girl I met I met there. Yeah,
when I think her boyfriend was a bike k or something.
She got kidnapped. They wanted to know where it was
and she refused to tell them, so they fed her
poison and shaved their head. She did not open up
her mouth. This girl was eighteen years old. Like, I
took my hat off to her back then you know,
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you kind of go. So they fallen came to her
head because they shaved her head. Beautiful, stunning, young girl, stunning,
such a beautiful person too, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not a ship person because you are around. No,
it was and sh h people they made they held
their mouth open and they Scott poisoned. Wow, yeah, yeah
(25:40):
it was. It was when I heard it, like, I
was devastated, but she just put all we on and
came to work like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Or because she wouldn't give up a boy friend, she
would not give him up.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wow, it was pretty heavy, Gudy. If you think about
it and what happened from that that you just I
think they realized they're not going to get nothing out
of her, and she's stayed in the industry or you
don't know what happened to me.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Like, look, I would bounce back from Stepton. I never
stayed in one place. Yeah, people get sick of your
It's human nature, right, you can't eat chicken for eight much. Yeah,
so I would bounce bang bang bang bang. So like, yeah,
she went in my for a while. I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
That didn't put you off the industry seeing something like
that already new things were like that. Yeah, yeah, al ready.
You didn't face me. I never dated people like that.
I had nothing to worry about.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I know a lot of people would think, oh she
would date you know, some heavy duty da da da
da da, But for live it or not, I had
no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I just wanted to skateboard, play Xbox and whatever games
what Xbox Nintendo?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Really? Because going back.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Would be doing off first interview or about three, and
I remember you walked into my studio.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He was running late. I remember you was in all sorts. Yeah,
you're run it late and you got dropped off. Yeah
you remember it because so that job from the NFE.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You were on a job from before. I need to
go home, and they're like, oh, please, please please don't
please brought you. No, I had to get someone else
to come drop me off. I'm like, can you come
drop me off? I've got to be something important.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It got straight out and you're like, I've got a
lot of time, respectful, you know, like you've been so
good to me all my life, and you know, I
feel like I've known you all my life, which is
nearly there, half way there at least I've known you
what for twenty years? If you think about it, yeah,
and yeah, like I'm not going to let you down
no matter what state it was in. I'm so happy
there were no cameras back then, because I want to say, because.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That's why I want to bring up satire.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You said you've seen this big lounge in that studio
and it was massively it was a massive lounge, and
you said, can I have this? And I said yeah,
And I remember you're plucking yourself down and then your
bag fell on the floor and your poss machine things
fell up, your fell out your bag and what the
fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
She says, Oh, it's a tap and go? Think what
you mean to tap and go? I take it everywhere
will be because I'm working, and I just what the fuck?
A woman has to be prepared to make money. You
going to get in here? Just know what it is.
I'm telling a woman. A woman has to be prepared.
My friends, that was hilarious. Yeah, And I was like,
(28:22):
I have to make it to this place. I can't.
I cannot not make it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But you know it's good you get to see me
before and after because I've come a long long way
from that day.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes you have, Yeah you have, because I.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Got clean for a long time, and then when you
see me again, I had to relapse.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, yeah, I remember you're telling me that I've got
clean for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I'm clean again now, which is but I'm not fighting
to be clean anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Back then I used to fight. You know, you're fighting yourself. Yeah,
I'm very blessed. I'm past that stage. Like I said,
it took me forty years, but I got there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
When you when you're talking about you've got to fight yourself.
What tell me what you're going through to go clean?
How you going through that?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Like when I was clean, I was married, obviously, I
was made for five years I got clean. You know,
I really wanted to be the housewife materia or whatever.
I tried my hardest anyways, and but you know, you'd
hear a party and you start thinking of the good
old days and you're like, oh, come on, man, I
just want to go out once, And you know that
tickles like always at the back of your head, you know,
(29:26):
or somebody will call you from the past, you know,
you're like, what are you doing a long time? I
see and you're like, oh, I just want to go
out one time. Or I would go have a drink
and the first thing I'd want is a bag. Let's
get one bag, one turn survive.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But now I put a lot of hard work into it.
I did a big program for it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't know if that worked or I just grew
out of it, or I'm a mom now, as you know,
Like maybe it's because I you know, I love being
with my kids so much.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm not fighting myself.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Like if somebody will to say, hey, I'll be like, nah,
I'm a gym junkie now, you know, Like I'm every
morning I'm at the gym. Really, I can't imagine not
going to the gym because I'm coming down, or you know,
not being able to answer phone to my kids because
I'm not in the right set of mind. It turns
me off, and I'm glad I got there. Finally it's doable.
(30:17):
You know, you just got to make some drastic changes.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What was the worst thing you go through, like coming
down and trying to get clean? Would you lock yourself away?
How would you how would you look?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
My biggest problem for me was always Heroin, even though
a lot of people didn't know, because I kind of
held myself all right, but it catches up to you
everything catches up to your.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Do you only take that because you see someone else
taking it or no? I've always been. I've always been.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Because it was a drug that you could release yourself
and be free, Like you found.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I could be normal on it. People wouldn't know. I
liked the feeling I had from it, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I never hung out with people that
took Caroin either. You know, it was my kind of thing.
It's not something you can go tell people. You know,
people bring out plates and I'm bringing, you know, my
own thing, which I did manytimes, people freaked out and
I'm like racist, raceless.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
But.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'd say Heroin's really hard because it is a physical
like withdrawal. Your body won't let you sleep. It's like
you got your legs are like you know, that feeling
of falling. It's like that. So you're very restless, You're
not well, you want to vomit, you need to go bathroom.
It's it's excruciating. If it's all that, then what made
you take it?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Then? What was what was.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The What happens is when you take it, you forget
three four days are past. All you need is three
days on it. And I'd say, you're back to square one,
you know what I mean. And every time I'll take
an upper, I need that to come down. Other people
used to take that next. I used to take heroin,
you know, so I'd use it hand in hand. And
now I know now that I can't dibble dabble into
the other stuff because I know where I'm going to
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go straight for the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know, it's not worth it. How much would you
be spending on that a week?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
When I used to be on the ice and then
I used to get my heroin, I'd spend more two
grams let's say one gram of eyes two grams of
and then I'd get I'd spend at least six hundred
and seven maybe a thousand bucks a day a day. Yeah,
it could be anywhere from six hundred twelve thousand bucks. Easy, wow, easy.
And you know it's become a cycle. Go work, make
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the money come home.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Do you have to people know or that you hit
it well?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
From people in the starter, I didn't tell no one,
but then I just didn't care. Yeah, I'm like, no
one's perfect.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
This is what I do. Big warp, you know what
I mean. It wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
What I didn't like is a lot of young girls
that kind of wanted to hang out with me and
all that. They started trying to do that even though
I wouldn't allow that. I'm like, you've never touched drugs.
You're not going to touch drugs with me. It's not happening.
Like there's some moral you know, you have there, and
they would go do it, and I just felt a
bit responsible for it, do you know what I mean?
(32:55):
And yeah, people would think it's cool and they try
to do the same thing like I was.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I used to use needles. Let's be realistic. Suddenly some
persons starting to use needles and I'm like, what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Because they've seen me that thought it was a cool thing.
That'sought Taylor's doing it, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's not what changed you to stop. What was the
thing that made you go, I can't do this normal?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What is it? Jail?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So but when you when you went in the recent
time that you've just talk about, how did you cope
not being able to get it?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What could you get it? Inside? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Look, jail's changed a lot. It's not as easy to
get heroin. I know, there's other things like boup and
all that. But it was very hard covid here, you
know what I mean. But when I was taken in,
I had a massive heroine issue and issue as well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It really rocked me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I wasn't as bad as I've been before well everyone,
which is really weird because I should have been worse.
But it did rock me, you know. So I jumped
on the programming there on the Puvotal program.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That did they help you to get off it or
were they?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They waited for you to go through the hell and
then they teach your fucking listen and then when it
was time. So what happened is I basically handed myself in.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So I went.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Before I hand myself in and I jumped on the program,
but they because it happened on the same day, they
didn't give it to me, you know what I mean. However,
I got to get into the program in jail a
lot quicker because of that move I made. Yeah, so
I stayed on the program in there, you know what
I mean. And then I got off it because I
thought I wanted to use again, and then I had
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a big overdose in jail. Or you know, some girls
are saying it's not an overdose. What happened to me
was quite excruciating when I had the when I used.
Then I started doing a program in there called adapt
which is an intersive drug and alcohol program. It goes
for seven months, five days a week. It's basically tailored individually,
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so you talk about core beliefs, problems that you've got,
problems you know, when you've grown up. I guess the
best way to say it. Your drug issues are CBT,
which is cognitive behavioral therapy. You learn how to like process.
You're thinking it's the same, fuck it, you know what
I mean? You change it. And I didn't think that
really would do anything, but believe it or not, I
(35:17):
came out of jail and I changed my whole life.
And it must have worked. You don't know until you
try it. Yeah, jail was tough.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Were you going to cell by yourself? Or you one?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
And then in the beginning I was in the two
hour Yeah, and then on my own. But you know,
I was thirty eight when I went to jail. These
girls and they've been coming in since eighteen. I was
braining you like fresh meat, I'd say, you.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Know, how'd you go?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I was so rough man for me, honestly, like like.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
To describe like your core case, well not your court case,
but that final moment in court when you know you're
going in.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I was a bit beside myself, not beside myself. I
really thought I was going to go home, because yeah,
I'd gone away with everything in the past. I was like, shit,
I'm going to try and get bailed again. But my
lawyer said to me that like, you got no chance, man,
you got no chance. And the judge was very lenient
with me as well. I was very blessed because they
said I was resilient in the past. I should have
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got a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I think a lot for me was my family didn't
talk to me anymore. Yeah, you know, I didn't get
to see my kids very often. And I didn't want
to go back there. An, I don't want to go
back there, Like I live a good life out here,
do you know what I mean. We don't even have
a proper gym there, like the boys. I don't know.
You guys are allowed to use things. Every time I
take like a five liter bottle, they'd take it off me.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
It was hard. I was in Maxo for a long
time too, you know, out of my time. And then
when I went to Medium Needs, it was open. I
could start running. But there's trouble always, like you walk
out even if it's not true. There's a drama, you know,
And I got over it. I'm like, I can't be bothered.
I'm getting too old, you know, I'm walking around black
eyes sometimes. My those one day was over here really yeah, yeah,
(37:06):
like things don't get me wrong. Like I finally got there,
like I'll stand up to myself and whatever. But in
the start, you don't understand how jail works, you know.
I was like, why why is this happening? What have
I done?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Da? Da da da da?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You know, but then you start picking it. It's not
just you. This is how people are in there. You know,
they've got nothing better to do.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, did you feel very lonely on your first night
there or they did not? I felt sick. I was
very sick. Yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I was in the dungeon, the dungeons in Surrey Hills
for five days, like no shower, you know, hanging out,
stick as a dog. I guess, you know. I was very,
very sick. Then when they took me to the jail.
I was in the shower every twenty minutes as soon
as that button could you can press that button and
it turns on because it has a time when you
can have a shower. I would be laying on the floor,
(37:56):
you know. Take you to which I went to Maluwa
for the first month, and then I went to Windsor before.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I was going to talk going into the industry of
escorton but I want to get because this because we're
on this one.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So tell me the situation. What happened to get you
in jail? Because when I seen it, I couldn't believe it.
It came on my feeds on social media.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Okay, and it was blatantly your your face, But I thought,
what that is?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
This is this a.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yes, I'm just thinking, whoa, what the fuck? And then
all of a sudden a video got released and it
was like what the fuck? Mmm.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
So I was in a really shitty relationship. I'm not
gonna blame the partner, the ex partner, but yeah, I
was in a very bad relationship. It was there was
a lot of co dependency, a lot of drug use,
not in a start, but at the end that's how
it got and a lot of violence and.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Between us.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, and when I realized this person wasn't for me,
because I was very careful all my life who I
was a whole day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
It was too late.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was already in it, months in it, you know
what I mean. I wasn't strong enough to go stuff this.
I wanted to change that person. So now what happened
is basically he owed quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Somewhere, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I was hanging out with this person that said, there's
a mad job, you know what I mean. Somebody had
done something to hurt me as well. All of this
came together and I said, we're going in. We're going in,
and he's like, yeah, all right, I'm like just following
my dad dying about it. So you know, we went
to his house and everything was locked, and he's like,
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let's go, and I said, no, we're already here. So
I reached the window out of the freaking seal around it,
and I jumped through the window with a knife, no mask, nothing,
because at that time I must have thought I was
invisible because.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I had, like, you know, I had drugs on the
way there. So that was it. I had rack and
that's you bang Superman and he's like no no.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'm like, and I dropped a knife and this man
comes out half naked, no bottoms on, and I'm like,
don't touch it. So I get in and I grab it,
and I'm like, where's one two three? You know, He's
gone no, no, no, And he got on my nerves and
I didn't realize, but yeah, I stabbed him.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Well, he was the person you came to see. Yeah, yeah,
I stabbed him.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I'm very lucky. I could have got manslaughter, I
mean sorry, attempted murder. Yeah, I could have killed him
very easily. So I had a quite a big knife,
a kitchen knife, and it went down his clavicle.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh you stab him there? Yeah, And then I.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Put a blanket around him or something, and I said,
let's get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You stab him, and then you stop the fucking try
and treat him. WHOA what else am I meant to do?
I did that last time, so it was like, have it.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I grabbed the tablecloth last time and I put around
the other person's there. So I did the same thing
and I was just out of there, you know. But
I had no feelings towards the situation, I didn't care,
you know, I was I wasn't the right mindset at
that point. Drugs had taken over me. I had a
lot of grief because some things that have happened. It was,
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it was horrible. If I didn't go to jail on
New York, I would have never changed.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You probably would have got someone else's or someone else
or someone else. I reckon, I maybe would have been
been deadbine now if somebody would have killed me, or
I would have overdosed, or I would have nourished, I
don't know. Anything would have happened. That happened.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And then I was puddling around the city because I
was worried We're going to come get me, the coppers.
And then when I realized nothing had come up, after
a while, I was like, man, I'm going home. I
went back to my house. Then I went back to
the city. The party for a few days, and I
get a phone call from my family and they're like,
you're on a fucking us What the function with you?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
One? Two three?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
And then the coppers called me as well, and they're like,
oh where are you? And I'm like I'm out, you know,
And They're like, oh, well, we're just in your area
and I said yeah, and they're going, oh, like, we
want to come talk to you. And I'm like, well,
I didn't think we're there's anything to talk about. He goes, well,
do don't you think? So I said possibly, you know, maybe,
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but I don't really want to talk to you, you
know what I mean. And I'm like, keep driving around
my house. I don't care. I'm not going to Thanks
for letting me know I'm not going there. And then
I rang up a lawyer, the same lawyer I had
last time for the same reason.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So I'm like, Okay, this guy knows my situation. Maybe
he can fix me.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And he's like, you need to go hand yourself in
and I said yeah, all right. So my Coley, which
was my partner, he's like, oh, I want to go
on a run and I'm like where and he goes, oh,
there's this farm. I'm like, how are we going to eat?
I'm like, you can't even freaking wipe your ask, you know,
nothing like this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
How we're going to eat? I have a drug issue.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
I can't go and the farm old ee down there,
you know, And realistically, my mind started thinking properly. At
that point, I said, they're going to come and start
raiding houses. My children are there. You know, it's not
going to stop. I need to go hand myself in
and I did. That was my opportunity to get the
fuck out of that shit. Wow, but I thought I
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was a getting in bail.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I'm going to start with my life fresh.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's massive. It is.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's pretty sad, you know what, Satah that they put
my face up on Facebook and every fucking person out
there dogged me put my name out there on public
like it's Taylor Guns, it's Taylor Guns.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I'm like, do these people have no shame? Because I
remember I remember seeing it. I just went, no, this
can't be right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And then people started message me going, did you see
on the on the the police watch?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I said, yeah, that's it. Remember here from but a
Being she was on your podcast. That's embarrassing. She was
on your podcast. Really got to get her on again.
It was embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
You know, it's been embarrassing when you're good, when you're
good and you're you're you're really good, you look back
and it is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That ship ain't getting so yeah, no way, never again.
Have you still got some good issues.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I'm so in control of my emotions, very in control.
I've removed a lot of people from my life. For
the people out there that don't know, I don't go
by Tailor Guns anymore. I have a real name, and
so I guess the best way to say is Taylor
Guns does not exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Finished. This is the last time it will be made.
I'll ever come off. That's why I came here today
to put it closure, to let everyone.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Know, because a lot of people do come up and say,
how are you Tailer Guns, And I'm like, I don't.
That person doesn't exist anymore. Sorry. You know, I wanted
to change things up, you know. I want to live
a life, a beautiful life, and I have two great kids.
You know, I have my Grandma's come back to my life,
which is great. I'm very blessed. I'm starting a business
(44:59):
helping women out which with this, with intimacy and their sexuality,
just help and reclaim their identity in that thing, helping
them out with trauma, anything they want to learn. You know,
I'm there because I have that background too, and things
have gone really well for me. But I had to
get rid of everyone. I had to change my name.
I had to get rid of my old social media's,
(45:20):
the ones I called there's someone I can't get into.
They want ID. I'm like that, I don't have ID
for tailor guns. It's not a real person, man. You know,
I can give you my ID, and I don't even
look like that person anymore, you know. Yeah, I had
to change everything everything, And that's the only way it works.
If you want to get clean, if you want to change,
(45:42):
if you want to do better in your life, you
need to raise everything in you. You need to humble
yourself and start fresh.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But how did you get out of the escort scene
when you were making so much money.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I have a good family, man, They helped me out.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
What I mean to help me out is like obviously,
like I have assets of some sort whatever, and I
have some sort of income to get me by. My
main focus is in a new business. Of course, I
don't know, like I could always go there if I
wanted to. You know, I can't be bothered.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I can't be.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Bothered with it anymore. Like I just want to.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I want a job that I can like tour around
the world again, and I went and tour it in
Melbourne a few years ago before I went to jail,
and it was dead like that. That whole industry has died.
Every second person out there is an escort. It's not
taboo anymore. Have it been an escort back then? Like you,
there was a bit of class behind it. There was
a bit of you know, you knew how to act
(46:38):
in front of someone, you know, it was there was
a technique of the business, like an etiquette done if
that exists anymore.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But if you were making for if you could make
on a good year four hundred k stripping, surely you
could make fucking a lot triple that money.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
And you were doing it alone. You were doing alone.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, I had no business manager, no way. Why
that's so silly. Why would I let someone take fifty
percent more money? All I have to do this nswer
my own phone and it's not that hard.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So what what? Okay? So what was the prices that
you'd be charging for a clientele back then?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, I'll be charging in a thousand bucks an hour
to six hundred bucks an hour, thousand bucks an hour, yeah, yeah,
And that's just normal. It's just like to me, it's
the same thing. People are like, Oh, it's it's the
pawns I experienced or the this experience. I'm like, man,
I'm like, you know, just going with the person you
(47:33):
are and do what you're good at to win. Don't
try to change up whatever. You know what I mean,
don't try to be something you're not. You know, it's
yeah to Taylor Gun's experience, Like then, like it's.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
What do you want to say? Oh my, don't forget you.
I'm forty this year, I'm forty next month. Like you know,
how long is this going to go for? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, But I said the same thing about people who
are still in the industry that I was doing, Like
they're in the fifties and I think we make I
think you should hang up people sucking whatever you coat
now or whatever you get out of me.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
You can do what I did quietly, not out there,
know what I mean. You can do it like if
you need to hear and there whatever, But you don't
want to get mixed up with it forever, because if
you don't have any need to survive, you know, a
lot of them are party bookings.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
That's where the money is. Think about it. Fuck that.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, you know, being in a booking with someone that
can't swallow it, you know what I mean, like leeds
Water this, you know, you can't get it fucking working,
and now it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
How do There's a question I want to ask.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I don't think of any kind of person who's been
in the industry before, but how do you switch off
from being a worker to being a girlfriend or a wife?
Speaker 1 (48:49):
How do you switch off from doing that? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's very different, it's very very different. This feelings involved.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
But surely, like I've asked some girls who have been
in the industry and they get feelings for some of
their clients.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, that they're stupid while you're on your income is silly.
But how would you switch off? How would you do that?
No strings attached?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
You were there to give a service and get paid
and you can both have a good time at that
moment and leave it at that. Very different to what
I would have at home with someone. You know, it'd
be personal and in my personal business and I personally
like you know what I mean? You know you're the
clients as well, what do you like? It's like, what
do you like?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Man? You're not here to pay me. You tell me,
you know, like, what do you want? Because at the end,
you're gonna have to tell me what you want, you know.
Oh yeah, I've always wanted that.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
No, So for me personally, no, it's not the same thing. No,
it's different. It's very different. But it is hard to
hold a relationship in that scene. The only way you
can hold a relationship in that business is basically if
someone's got to be extremely on to earth and get it,
which is no one right, or they've got to be
a drug dealer because it comes hand in hand with
(50:11):
that lifestyle and that life style, you know what I mean,
that's the only way. Are you in a leaship them?
No way, No, No, I'm living my best life. I
think for me, a big problem with my downhills our relationships.
It's maybe my fault would be but yeah, I've always
been back to back in relationships in my life.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
So the last three years I'm on my own and
it's been good. What's your biggest regret?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Ah, my biggest regret. I have many regrets, and I
don't regret any of them in a way. I guess
I wish I did better with the Taylor dun thing.
I wish I didn't get too mixed up. I'm not
gonna say the rack and all that, but the ice,
the real scummy side of it, because I've could have
(51:00):
done better. They wanted to do a show on me,
you know know, like the Kardashians coming. They wanted to
showing me and I stuffed it over drugs. MMA Australia
Will tried to sign me up. I stuffed it over drugs.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, if you could go back and change anything, what
would you change.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It all over again? But better do it all over again?
But better? Yeah? Really yeah, I would not not not
the crime so much and the but just more than
Taylor the tailor before. Yeah, I would like much better. Trinity.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
She doesn't go by that anymore, guys, But Trinity, she
was always the best business woman. I knew like she
was great. Even now she's she's she's great. Like she
made it to Dubai, she's bought houses, she's done. She
was great. Man Like, I look up to that woman.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Because she went into the gym and she bought at
gym or something like that.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
She did gym. She owned clubs, dancing clubs. She opened
right now, I don't know how to explain it. She's
helping women in their forty reclaim themselves, you know what
I mean. And she's she's looking at going overseas. She's
a machine. She's always been great. Yeah, I look up
(52:17):
to her when it comes to that stuff. That was
my downfall, Like I couldn't be like her, you know,
I was too busy having a good time. She had boundaries.
And like I said that, I regret a lot of things,
but I have no regrets at the same time, Like
it's maybe who I am today. I have some really
good times. Now, I met some really cool people. You know.
(52:37):
Maybe they're not the best now, you know, but I
have many memories, many good memories. I'm not ashamed of
who I was or anything like that. I made tailor
guns out of nothing, you know, and she did well.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
She did good. I'll give her that much.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
If you could just describe yourself in one word or
two words.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
That's crazy, just and happy. I've alway been a happy person. Yeah,
I've always been a very happy person. Like you know,
I love people, Yeah, I do. I only wish the
best for everyone out there, anyone that's been in my position,
anyone that's I'm struggling with addiction. It's doable. You just
(53:22):
gotta you gotta get rid of everything. But it's doable,
and life does get better. Yeah, my biggest addiction that
was a gym. I can't get away from that. I'm
not like three hours a day.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
It's fucked.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I've just finished my first bulk like I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
I've putting on Wait and I look.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
In the mirror and I know I've chucked in killos on,
but I don't care because I'm bulking.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
You know, it's it becomes a lifestyle. It's my new
heroin for sure. Well, I to thank you for coming
on to thank you so much for having me. Yeah,
it's been good seeing you again. Thank you so much
much for having me. I appreciate it honestly.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
And yeah, call me back anytime when my business does well,
we can talk about what I really do.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Thank you very much. M
Appoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Muscle Coumments, and in this episode I speak with longtime
friend of the podcast, Taylor Guns, who shares her journey
through the adult industry, time in jail, and how she's
rebuilding her life today.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But this way.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
When I first started stripping, I made just over four
hundred thousand in a year, had nothing to show but
on Monday, and I ended up saving him with a
corkscrew with a corkscreen the neck. That moment changed everything.
You don't understand how jail works.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's not just you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This is how people are in there. You know they've
got nothing better to do. My mind started thinking properly
at that point. I said, they're gonna come start rating houses.
My children are there. You know it's not gonna stop.
I need to go hand myself in and I did.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Taylor, Yes, long time, Like it's been a long time.
You came on my podcast when I first started Secret
to the Underworld, and years have gone by since I've
seen you since that episode, and a few things have
happened in your life that I thought, you know what,
I need to get you back on and do a
refresher because fuck mabe, like the first episode we think
(01:21):
was are fucking out there, this is just going to
be fucking even out there.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So thank you for coming on. No, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm actually excited for this one because we go back
a long way, me and you, a long way.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I would have met you when I was eighteen, yeah easy, And.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I remember you always from the days in the cross
and you know what, and I can't say this in
a way where I looked at you as a little sister.
I used to protect you in a way where to
make sure you were all right, and then you used
to go up to me if you have problems, And
this is why we were close in ways.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So I thank you for coming on. No, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's true we did grow up to in that scene
at least, yes, because you were kind of newie and
I was on new and we went boom.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Separate but boomge.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So let's start off with how you growing up getting
into this and how you led into this scene of industry.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah easy, I grew up overseas, so my dad was
a criminal, but my mom's side, we come from a
good family, you know, like really good businesses.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
My grandparents worked really really hard kind of a thing.
I went to a lot of schools and I finished
off at a private school, a boarding.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
School, I remember that, you're telling.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You a boarding school. After that, went to college. It
was called June Dally Watkins, a finishing school. So yeah,
and then when I finished from there, I got a
job straight away at MWRS Holden selling cars and that lasted.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like four weeks because I was at the same.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Time, I was working for All Occasion Cruises that Joe lives, Yes,
basically doing cruise directing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The cruise directing you're doing a lot of people, a
lot of people say that that's what it started with.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I seen this strip come on board shining moffoot,
I'll never forget. Yeah, the Barbie doll and she she
did a show and I looked at it and said,
I can do that, you know, like I can do this,
you know.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So that was it. I let go of Holden, forgot
all about my college whatever, not that I was an angel.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But yeah, and that's my beginning of my adult industry.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know, where'd you first get your gig? My first
gig would.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Have been at all occasional cruises and then straight away
I went to Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So tell me about the first night you had to
do you were doing your stripper. Tell me were you anxious?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Were you nervous? Very? It was my first day.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was a day cruise, and I was so nervous
that I did like a police court.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And I had these handcuffs and I was shaking. I
couldn't get him on the guy. I was shaking, and
I came out to Jimmy Barnes, Lady, down your gun.
It was the funniest but that was it. That was it.
Once I did the first one, that's it. I came.
(04:29):
I saw a conquered kind of thing. I knew what
I could do.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But we had always been someone who would express themselves
like body wise, like or because that's that's something to
ask a girl to start to be stripping.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, nervous, she's confident.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Look, my family like was so easy going, Like I
grew up like on boats going around the islands, nude beaches.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've seen it all. Like that stuff was nothing to me. Like,
you know, I'm Greek, you know all about showing our bodies.
And you know the beaches and so yeah, and I
was always kind of out there, so I really yeah,
Anderson was like my biggest idol when I was young,
you know, I was young, and I'm like, I want
to be like her. I want to be like So
(05:13):
I started at twin Peaks.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Therefore, I would probably say it was like a year
and a half maybe, and then I wanted to do
like bigger shows.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Holdly you know, for doing this, hold like.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I would have start eighteen, like there was no mucking around.
I turned eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I was it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was there. If I would have done gone early,
I would have gone. There was nothing stopping me. There
was nothing stopping when you start.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
When you first started, did you ever come across anyone.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Who knew you as in first when they came into
the clubs? Yeah, like relatives and relative Yeah, I had
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
My relatives came in and they knew I was there,
and he tried to like give me a lecture.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But I'm like, but look where you are, man, Like,
you know, you got to doing pepper, salt and pepper,
and I was like, now I'm doing is leaving me alone?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Kind of thing I remember my grandma, she was watching
my outfits.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, I was living at home with my grandma.
Was yeah, it wouldn't be much to fucking wash. She
was my nurse outfits and all that. It was. Yeah,
like obviously they were really really like worried, you know
when they start and they jumped on like online and
they you know straight away like all this bad stuff
was written down and I'm like, but when I seen,
(06:29):
I loved what I did and I was like started
getting medals and.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know, like really into it. They were happy.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
They were happy for me. Yeah, did you ever do
Miss Nude? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I did Miss Snood, I did Miss Ocean specific I
think it was I did heaps of them. Yeah, yeah
I went off you.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Or was that your mat?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like some girls goals where they going, I'm gone into
this is basically to do is business?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Make money, get out or that to do?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I want to do this because I've got nothing else
to do, or you've got girls who want to do
because of the misnews.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I want to love it. I loved it. I loved
being on stage. I loved Megan. Did the crowd go crazy?
It's it was Yeah, I had good stage presents and
I knew it and it made me happy.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It made people happy, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I remember there was one time I did a show
at Sefton and the crowd went so crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I couldn't hear my music.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I could need the beat I did like a belly
dancing outfit, but I used the Arabic mixes and.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was it. That was it, that was it, you know,
it was all. And I could not hear my music
and I know nothing. It was insane like and you
know that's all I needed. I'm going off that you
went from Twin Peaks to you both.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No no, So I went from Twin Peaks, I went
to Pure Platinum.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Then I think that's where me and you mat and
then I went to They.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
They tried to send me to the Cross to Dances Cabaret,
the old one because it was dead and they wanted
to bring it back up, so they sent me there,
and then they sent me to the new Dances Cabaret
when it was just a pub to try and get
it happening. So it was like a little guinea pig.
I guess which pissed me. Pissed me off, you know
what I mean, because like I want it to be
where the people were.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Some, didn't you trying to get like a.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Few people in. And then you know, I started touring.
Do you remember Trinity? I still speak to her. Yeah,
she's changed the whole life. She's doing really well. So
she's like, let's doe double shows, you know what I mean?
And I was like, yes, sweet, let's go. I didn't
realize the potential that had. Next minute, I'm doing tall
magazine covers. I'm touring around Australia.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
We're getting like business stills here there, everywhere. Like it
was intense, but all that also comes with a lot
of shit, a lot of exposure to drugs, a lot
of exposure to the gang land.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know, how did you handle that? When did you
get when did you first in the industry get really messy?
Messy with the drug scene?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Went on? Probably started taking ice?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Really Yeah, how far into your career doing stripping were
you then?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
It was probably like ruining me a lot. Did you
need it to do jobs?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It was just to be what I was hanging out with,
you know what I mean? I always did. I could
never do shows or dance when I was under drugs.
I've always had even when I was escorted.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So you're straight.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I have to be straight. There's no way, man.
You can't be in the beat if you're like.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And you know what I talked to. I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Some girls, man, they get they get on the rack
and they're like they want to you know, they want
to do this, And now I'm like, motherfuck, I don't
touch me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Now you're the opposite. Yeah, So I would like, go work,
make money, four.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Five day builder after that, okay, but it caught up
to me. It did catch up to me.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So you would you say that your platinum is when
it started or before?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh no, probably say just after? Just after? Yeah, just
after that? Was that? Was that the first time you
started taking drugs?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Talking when I was like, I've taken when I grew
up on my ugo as well, we had the pingers,
like yeah, you know what I mean. Coke wasn't as
great as the pingers were.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We had some. And I remember because I used to
come to you and used to let me in. I
was at the back of the line and you're like,
let's go, like.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know what I mean, and everybody would be dirty
with me, like yeah, I'm going in, and then you
guys would let me go from one club to the
other club from.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
The back doors. Yes, yes, I used the back doors,
go from Havana's to here to thee. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, but you think when you were a pure Platinum, yeah,
you would have liked because I remember that work working
the doors there, I was exposed to a lot of
gangland Pure Platinum.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
That's when I when I started.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Even though I was doing a lot of things that
ACMs at the time, there was people coming in or
I was seeing.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Did they try and control you in any way? The strippers,
they try.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
To control us, especially me because I'm not interested in
materialistic things back then. Like I said, I come from
a good family. But there was a scene I'll never forget.
We were pure Platinum and suddenly all these commos I
think it was came up. It was Commos Bendidos maybe
one or the other, sorry, and they kicked everyone out.
(11:34):
They kicked all the stuff out, and they locked us
in the girls room and it was just out of
control and the girls were screaming and crying this and that,
and they tried to come in through the door and
I'm like fucking help me hold the door shut, you
know what I mean. No police turned up, No one
gave a fuck, like you know what I mean, things
were different back then.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What was that thought just to take off the club
or what was that They just wanted a party.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They came in and just like yeah, from what I know,
they wanted to party because they were a mess. You know,
they were like kicking you know, from beers around this
and that. And that's when I noticed a lot of
girls are not made for this Yeah, you know what
I mean, A lot of girls are not made for
this world. A lot of girls would come in and
the crosswad to eat them within months. Yeah, yeah, you
got to like really really.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Have it in Have you seen girls been eating up?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, non stop, NonStop. And they're the ones that know
it all. Yeah I know it was.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah. Do you try and help them or you just
they can't be helped. Look, they don't listen. They don't listen. Man,
they know it all.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They're dating some gangstar and they know it all this
is about, you know what I mean. And then when
the guy goes to jail for twenty thirty years, they're crumbling,
you know, And I'm like well, you know, you can't
have everything, you know, all this shit a you're gonna
last for long. I think that's why I loved making
my own money.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I love that. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think I was in charge of my own empire.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't really date any
gangsters or anything. I wasn't into that, you know, like
I dated Street Rights, that's about it. That's because I
thould I could manipulate the situation. Yeah, I didn't like that.
I didn't want to be with someone that was going
to do ten years, you know what I mean. And
(13:12):
I wasn't interested in materialistic things like handbags and this
and that, so I can be treated on bash this
and that like no, man, I mean, I'm good. I
buy my own ship. Like if you bought me a skateboard,
different story, I'd be there, like I'd love that because
that's what I was into. You know, I still skateboard.
What year did you go to a Being? Oh? But
I'll never forget that. I was at all Ocsun Cruises,
(13:36):
I remember, and I had a meeting at but a Being.
It was just getting made. It was Gary and I
went up there and it was still getting fixed and
I'll never forget. They were like, look, we're going to
open up the club once two three. I'm like, yeah, sweet,
And I was there on the first line. I was
there quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah I know you did, because I remember I remember
seeing your face back in the cross and just what.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And you and you said, yeah, yeah, but I being
was made. But I've been made good money if you
wanted to. You had a good time. The staff were
awesome at the time. Being back then, you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Kind of money would you would you make?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Say?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
All right, I put it being now is established club? Well,
what kind of money were you looking at a stripper
would make in a night on a good night?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Put it this way.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
When I first started stripping, I remember I started writing
down my numbers and I made so embarrassing, man, because
I had nothing to show for it. I made just
over four hundred thousand in a year, but the next
year it easily went down to half. That's when Operation
Pissed Off came in. Remember they started changing the rules
and blah blah blah, And that's when I knew shit
(14:43):
was going bad. I needed to switch it up a
little bit. Yeah, yeah, four hundred k four hundred k.
Had nothing to show. But on Monday every week because
we would go out straight away, we would go to
leg Larks.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We'll go here, we'll go that.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You know you're a girl, you know and start da
dah dah and yeah you do something im thing to
show for it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You know, girls went shopping a lot of money. It
is now I look at it and I'm like, you idiot,
But I have a lot of regrets that I don't
regret anything as well. But was that? Was that on
the book? So we told my cash that was just me.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I wrote it down so I can say what's going on?
But that was cash just off Dame morning cash back then?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Wow, yeah that was cashback then ab none of that.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, you know, how would you hustle it? How would
you hustle a guy?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So just say, for instance, I was coming in and
I was knew, would you go to hustle the one? Nah?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I wasn a hustler. I was a stage girl. People
would see me on stage, you like, I want her.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I couldn't. I hadn't. I couldn't. I'm so embarrassed to
ask a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Guy coming to me do a show, come on, train.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Me your money.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I had a friend of one that used to do it.
She just grabbed them and dragged them in there.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I was like, how are you doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No, I wasn't like that. I couldn't do it. There
was something about it. I had too much pride and
I had no idea how to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like that was a.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Really good business strategy some girls had. There was one girl,
she was a big, big, big girl, and she would
make four hundred dollars her first podium every night by
one client. How I don't know, maybe the big girls.
Maybe he did, but she she was long, you know, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, you're you're saying that you were more kind of
a stage killed than doing privates or you or you
were so baby.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I would go on a podium, I'll do a podium.
People would say it and they'd want me for a private.
And Tuesdays we didn't have to do much. We had
every drug dealer up there going with one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Esay, you remember that Tuesdays was there nice to go out?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That was the time we knew. Tuesdays weekend sucked. Tuesdays
were the bomb, and Wednesdays Mondays were great. But weekends
were ship, Yeah, because he had to be piss't coming in.
You know, you know, suits that don't have much money.
They give me too drunk this and that.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, how would you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Pick a guy who's got money? How would you pick him?
How would you pick that someone's going to give you
that cash? How'd you do that? They would pick me.
They knew I was at that point. They liked what
I was about, but like, like what you're saying was
a sup better was it was a gangsters? They're like, yeah,
the bikies would go in there to spend their money.
That's that was there there point.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Look, Neil, don't forget I was one of the first
girls to be tatted up. I stood out a lot,
you know what I mean, Like guy's dreams back then,
it was like, oh my gosh, she's different, she's got tat,
she's wild.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was quite big, you know, the biggest.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'd say, yeah, I didn't have to do much and
what of mouth kind of a thing, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Like they'd be like, oh, that's Taylor Guns.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, I think you've already major name for you
for yourself, but you made it your name was.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's when I made that name at Butterbean because what
happened in two thousand and seven we blunt. I stabbed
someone and I went They were trying to throw me
in jail, and I went away for a year. I
went to a rehab in Canberra, horrible, horrible place, absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But when I came back.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I went back to but a being and I'm like,
they go Taylor because that my name was just Taylor. Yeah,
like some girl comes after me, she goes, oh that
you can't have that name anymore, it's my name. I said,
I don't fucking think so. So I went up to
the guy and I said, my name's Taylor Guns, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, guns
of a situation And that moment.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I could kiss that girl's feet because let me do
you something. That moment changed everything. That name stuck, Like really, well.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Where did you stop the pist? Where did this happen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it was a bit of a download while you're working,
no kind of. I used to go to this like, okay,
you know Twin Peaks. Basically, there was another restaurant called
john Maners. Some guy started running it. There I was there.
That's my is epidemic hitping pretty hard there. Yeah, something
went down and I ended up stabbing him with a
corkscrew in the neck.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
With a corkscrew in the neck. Yeah, did you just
lose your shits or something? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I had a very bad anger management problems when I
was young.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Fucking corkscrew. Yeah, I have a badge. Was just like
he was just there and you just seen it, yeah,
and just what it? Yeah. I'm like, nah, you really
stepped on my toes right now, this is not happening.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Oh my hey need telling you should not really? Okay,
I don't regret it. Yeah, but then it was too
easy to do again, you know what I mean? Yeah,
that was the issue. Fuck me, you know what I'm
talking about? Like once once you do that once, yeah,
let's see it. It becomes a habit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What I remember that? Did you get it way with
it or no? No?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So I also have a habit of handing myself in.
I have myself in there, put my hand on one.
You were looking at some level next to me. They
were about to arrest team.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He was going green and I'm like, this guy's gotta
fucking throw me under the max and I did, and
they gave me bail.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
But I was looking at time at that point, you know,
So I went to rehab. My grandma chucked me on
a playing that quick mate. She took me straight to Canberra.
I did some twelve month rehab down there. I couldn't
get out of there. Yeah, it was epic.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If I find you that you were fucking like you
do that much in the weather, take it into a
private shower. Can you imagine to sit on the table
in a private show you lost your ship.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you it was I was
a bit, This was a cross man like. I had
to defend myself. You know, you learned to storm shopping there.
Have you ever come across anything that you've been scared?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Like at times? Working?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think I wouldn't say scared, but I remember I
was up but I being downstairs. My sister had come
visited me, you know what I mean, And we've we've
gone and gotten like a hot chocolate or something the usual.
And this guy launched someone from the top of the
staircase all the way down and nearly like got my
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sister and I'll pushed out of the way and I'll
never forget his head cracked in half, you know what
I mean. And I look up and I knew the
guy and I said run. But I was upset, you
know what I mean. I'm like, this pool can't like
step like his head was split, man. Yeah, it's the
cross was tough. It was worse during the day.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, you got to you got to see what it
was like. During the day. It was worse. It was
ugly the day it was like the leftovers.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, but you've never been put in the situation yourself
where you felt like, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He times the guy that used to own Sapphi the guy.
So yeah, there was a situation with him in a
private room. He tried to beat my top off and
I wasn't having it at that point, and He's like,
do you know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Who owns this building?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know, I'm going to get this kicked out on one, two, three,
But I didn't know the Bounces had it in for
him too, you know what I mean. So he came
downstairs and I threw a glass at him and I
went to launch at him in his stupard stilltos and
the Bounces it took one bounce to hold me back.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I didn't they didn't need much.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I was half the size of it ome now, and
you know we had exchange words like yeah, and they
just they violated him, like there was not much left
of him.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I had to watch one, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I was like when I get dropped off, I'd.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Run upstairs quickly because I'm like, this guy's going to
grab you for in the vent.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's how it was back then. Wow, it was tough. Jesus,
it was rough, but it was you get used to it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Mentally break you sometimes, nah, or you were you didn't
really notice that.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I could not wait to go to work every day. Yeah,
I could not wait. I'd get up, wake up at
five or six in the afternoon, get ready.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Wow, I can only say it was some of the
besties of my life.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah. But then you moved on to a kind of
different industry, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And I remember you're telling me in your first interview
with me, you did it because you were kind of
like over the kind of strippers where they would take
money for doing stuff that they shouldn't do any kind
of like in a.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Way where they were escorts or do you're a stripper,
which ones you want to be you know what I mean.
It wasn't fair. Yeah, it wasn't fair. It was unfair.
But the other girls that didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Like that either, So you decided to go down the
path of being an escort. Now now, okay, so you're
going from a stripper to an escort.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now tell me how.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The fuck do you do you transform into that? Because
that is a different level.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Okay? Easy? So yeah, I love the way it says
it's easy. Easy. Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So for seven years I had all these fans that
weren't allowed to touch me.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But now they can touch you for a price.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, So you say it's easy, But what these clients
tell you are coming in some of them have got
to be Some of them have got to be like,
I don't want him.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
To touch me. No, you didn't look at powerful in
my work, Like I felt like I was making someone happy.
Obviously I'm getting paid for it. I had my boundaries
to you know, I was in control. I liked it.
Stripping died out.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
There was no money. It started becoming ship people. It
was getting dangerous for a while, Like there were so
many shootings. I didn't want to be a part of.
I don't want you know, Rick Shane bullets around me
like I've already been in the situations.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I had an instinct too, Like my grandma goes, are
you going to work? And I said, nah, I'm not
going for a bit. She goes, why, Oh, I don't know, Grandmam.
Probably end up getting shot in there.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The same night there was a shooting in butter Being like,
I was like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I was like, I'm gonna trust my instinct. I know, Yeah,
it was. It's scary, you.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know, because you came up with Remember telling me there
was a story about something that happened.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
In Yeah, a girl a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
With some girl who I think she did she commit to,
so she got kidnapped or something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, Yah, there was a girl I met I met there. Yeah,
when I think her boyfriend was a bike k or something.
She got kidnapped. They wanted to know where it was
and she refused to tell them, so they fed her
poison and shaved their head. She did not open up
her mouth. This girl was eighteen years old. Like, I
took my hat off to her back then you know,
(25:19):
you kind of go. So they fallen came to her
head because they shaved her head. Beautiful, stunning, young girl, stunning,
such a beautiful person too, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not a ship person because you are around. No,
it was and sh h people they made they held
their mouth open and they Scott poisoned. Wow, yeah, yeah
(25:40):
it was. It was when I heard it, like, I
was devastated, but she just put all we on and
came to work like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Or because she wouldn't give up a boy friend, she
would not give him up.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wow, it was pretty heavy, Gudy. If you think about
it and what happened from that that you just I
think they realized they're not going to get nothing out
of her, and she's stayed in the industry or you
don't know what happened to me.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Like, look, I would bounce back from Stepton. I never
stayed in one place. Yeah, people get sick of your
It's human nature, right, you can't eat chicken for eight much. Yeah,
so I would bounce bang bang bang bang. So like, yeah,
she went in my for a while. I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
That didn't put you off the industry seeing something like
that already new things were like that. Yeah, yeah, al ready.
You didn't face me. I never dated people like that.
I had nothing to worry about.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I know a lot of people would think, oh she
would date you know, some heavy duty da da da
da da, But for live it or not, I had
no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I just wanted to skateboard, play Xbox and whatever games
what Xbox Nintendo?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Really? Because going back.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Would be doing off first interview or about three, and
I remember you walked into my studio.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He was running late. I remember you was in all sorts. Yeah,
you're run it late and you got dropped off. Yeah
you remember it because so that job from the NFE.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You were on a job from before. I need to
go home, and they're like, oh, please, please please don't
please brought you. No, I had to get someone else
to come drop me off. I'm like, can you come
drop me off? I've got to be something important.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It got straight out and you're like, I've got a
lot of time, respectful, you know, like you've been so
good to me all my life, and you know, I
feel like I've known you all my life, which is
nearly there, half way there at least I've known you
what for twenty years? If you think about it, yeah,
and yeah, like I'm not going to let you down
no matter what state it was in. I'm so happy
there were no cameras back then, because I want to say, because.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That's why I want to bring up satire.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You said you've seen this big lounge in that studio
and it was massively it was a massive lounge, and
you said, can I have this? And I said yeah,
And I remember you're plucking yourself down and then your
bag fell on the floor and your poss machine things
fell up, your fell out your bag and what the
fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
She says, Oh, it's a tap and go? Think what
you mean to tap and go? I take it everywhere
will be because I'm working, and I just what the fuck?
A woman has to be prepared to make money. You
going to get in here? Just know what it is.
I'm telling a woman. A woman has to be prepared.
My friends, that was hilarious. Yeah, And I was like,
(28:22):
I have to make it to this place. I can't.
I cannot not make it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But you know it's good you get to see me
before and after because I've come a long long way
from that day.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes you have, Yeah you have, because I.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Got clean for a long time, and then when you
see me again, I had to relapse.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, yeah, I remember you're telling me that I've got
clean for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I'm clean again now, which is but I'm not fighting
to be clean anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Back then I used to fight. You know, you're fighting yourself. Yeah,
I'm very blessed. I'm past that stage. Like I said,
it took me forty years, but I got there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
When you when you're talking about you've got to fight yourself.
What tell me what you're going through to go clean?
How you going through that?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Like when I was clean, I was married, obviously, I
was made for five years I got clean. You know,
I really wanted to be the housewife materia or whatever.
I tried my hardest anyways, and but you know, you'd
hear a party and you start thinking of the good
old days and you're like, oh, come on, man, I
just want to go out once, And you know that
tickles like always at the back of your head, you know,
(29:26):
or somebody will call you from the past, you know,
you're like, what are you doing a long time? I
see and you're like, oh, I just want to go
out one time. Or I would go have a drink
and the first thing I'd want is a bag. Let's
get one bag, one turn survive.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But now I put a lot of hard work into it.
I did a big program for it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't know if that worked or I just grew
out of it, or I'm a mom now, as you know,
Like maybe it's because I you know, I love being
with my kids so much.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm not fighting myself.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Like if somebody will to say, hey, I'll be like, nah,
I'm a gym junkie now, you know, Like I'm every
morning I'm at the gym. Really, I can't imagine not
going to the gym because I'm coming down, or you know,
not being able to answer phone to my kids because
I'm not in the right set of mind. It turns
me off, and I'm glad I got there. Finally it's doable.
(30:17):
You know, you just got to make some drastic changes.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What was the worst thing you go through, like coming
down and trying to get clean? Would you lock yourself away?
How would you how would you look?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
My biggest problem for me was always Heroin, even though
a lot of people didn't know, because I kind of
held myself all right, but it catches up to you
everything catches up to your.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Do you only take that because you see someone else
taking it or no? I've always been. I've always been.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Because it was a drug that you could release yourself
and be free, Like you found.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I could be normal on it. People wouldn't know. I
liked the feeling I had from it, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I never hung out with people that
took Caroin either. You know, it was my kind of thing.
It's not something you can go tell people. You know,
people bring out plates and I'm bringing, you know, my
own thing, which I did manytimes, people freaked out and
I'm like racist, raceless.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
But.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'd say Heroin's really hard because it is a physical
like withdrawal. Your body won't let you sleep. It's like
you got your legs are like you know, that feeling
of falling. It's like that. So you're very restless, You're
not well, you want to vomit, you need to go bathroom.
It's it's excruciating. If it's all that, then what made
you take it?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Then? What was what was.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The What happens is when you take it, you forget
three four days are past. All you need is three
days on it. And I'd say, you're back to square one,
you know what I mean. And every time I'll take
an upper, I need that to come down. Other people
used to take that next. I used to take heroin,
you know, so I'd use it hand in hand. And
now I know now that I can't dibble dabble into
the other stuff because I know where I'm going to
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go straight for the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know, it's not worth it. How much would you
be spending on that a week?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
When I used to be on the ice and then
I used to get my heroin, I'd spend more two
grams let's say one gram of eyes two grams of
and then I'd get I'd spend at least six hundred
and seven maybe a thousand bucks a day a day. Yeah,
it could be anywhere from six hundred twelve thousand bucks. Easy, wow, easy.
And you know it's become a cycle. Go work, make
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the money come home.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Do you have to people know or that you hit
it well?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
From people in the starter, I didn't tell no one,
but then I just didn't care. Yeah, I'm like, no
one's perfect.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
This is what I do. Big warp, you know what
I mean. It wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
What I didn't like is a lot of young girls
that kind of wanted to hang out with me and
all that. They started trying to do that even though
I wouldn't allow that. I'm like, you've never touched drugs.
You're not going to touch drugs with me. It's not happening.
Like there's some moral you know, you have there, and
they would go do it, and I just felt a
bit responsible for it, do you know what I mean?
(32:55):
And yeah, people would think it's cool and they try
to do the same thing like I was.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I used to use needles. Let's be realistic. Suddenly some
persons starting to use needles and I'm like, what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Because they've seen me that thought it was a cool thing.
That'sought Taylor's doing it, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's not what changed you to stop. What was the
thing that made you go, I can't do this normal?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What is it? Jail?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So but when you when you went in the recent
time that you've just talk about, how did you cope
not being able to get it?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What could you get it? Inside? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Look, jail's changed a lot. It's not as easy to
get heroin. I know, there's other things like boup and
all that. But it was very hard covid here, you
know what I mean. But when I was taken in,
I had a massive heroine issue and issue as well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It really rocked me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I wasn't as bad as I've been before well everyone,
which is really weird because I should have been worse.
But it did rock me, you know. So I jumped
on the programming there on the Puvotal program.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That did they help you to get off it or
were they?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They waited for you to go through the hell and
then they teach your fucking listen and then when it
was time. So what happened is I basically handed myself in.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So I went.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Before I hand myself in and I jumped on the program,
but they because it happened on the same day, they
didn't give it to me, you know what I mean. However,
I got to get into the program in jail a
lot quicker because of that move I made. Yeah, so
I stayed on the program in there, you know what
I mean. And then I got off it because I
thought I wanted to use again, and then I had
(34:34):
a big overdose in jail. Or you know, some girls
are saying it's not an overdose. What happened to me
was quite excruciating when I had the when I used.
Then I started doing a program in there called adapt
which is an intersive drug and alcohol program. It goes
for seven months, five days a week. It's basically tailored individually,
(34:55):
so you talk about core beliefs, problems that you've got,
problems you know, when you've grown up. I guess the
best way to say it. Your drug issues are CBT,
which is cognitive behavioral therapy. You learn how to like process.
You're thinking it's the same, fuck it, you know what
I mean? You change it. And I didn't think that
really would do anything, but believe it or not, I
(35:17):
came out of jail and I changed my whole life.
And it must have worked. You don't know until you
try it. Yeah, jail was tough.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Were you going to cell by yourself? Or you one?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
And then in the beginning I was in the two
hour Yeah, and then on my own. But you know,
I was thirty eight when I went to jail. These
girls and they've been coming in since eighteen. I was
braining you like fresh meat, I'd say, you.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Know, how'd you go?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I was so rough man for me, honestly, like like.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
To describe like your core case, well not your court case,
but that final moment in court when you know you're
going in.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I was a bit beside myself, not beside myself. I
really thought I was going to go home, because yeah,
I'd gone away with everything in the past. I was like, shit,
I'm going to try and get bailed again. But my
lawyer said to me that like, you got no chance, man,
you got no chance. And the judge was very lenient
with me as well. I was very blessed because they
said I was resilient in the past. I should have
(36:17):
got a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I think a lot for me was my family didn't
talk to me anymore. Yeah, you know, I didn't get
to see my kids very often. And I didn't want
to go back there. An, I don't want to go
back there, Like I live a good life out here,
do you know what I mean. We don't even have
a proper gym there, like the boys. I don't know.
You guys are allowed to use things. Every time I
take like a five liter bottle, they'd take it off me.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
It was hard. I was in Maxo for a long
time too, you know, out of my time. And then
when I went to Medium Needs, it was open. I
could start running. But there's trouble always, like you walk
out even if it's not true. There's a drama, you know,
And I got over it. I'm like, I can't be bothered.
I'm getting too old, you know, I'm walking around black
eyes sometimes. My those one day was over here really yeah, yeah,
(37:06):
like things don't get me wrong. Like I finally got there,
like I'll stand up to myself and whatever. But in
the start, you don't understand how jail works, you know.
I was like, why why is this happening? What have
I done?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Da? Da da da da?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You know, but then you start picking it. It's not
just you. This is how people are in there. You know,
they've got nothing better to do.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, did you feel very lonely on your first night
there or they did not? I felt sick. I was
very sick. Yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I was in the dungeon, the dungeons in Surrey Hills
for five days, like no shower, you know, hanging out,
stick as a dog. I guess, you know. I was very,
very sick. Then when they took me to the jail.
I was in the shower every twenty minutes as soon
as that button could you can press that button and
it turns on because it has a time when you
can have a shower. I would be laying on the floor,
(37:56):
you know. Take you to which I went to Maluwa
for the first month, and then I went to Windsor before.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I was going to talk going into the industry of
escorton but I want to get because this because we're
on this one.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So tell me the situation. What happened to get you
in jail? Because when I seen it, I couldn't believe it.
It came on my feeds on social media.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Okay, and it was blatantly your your face, But I thought,
what that is?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
This is this a.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yes, I'm just thinking, whoa, what the fuck? And then
all of a sudden a video got released and it
was like what the fuck? Mmm.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
So I was in a really shitty relationship. I'm not
gonna blame the partner, the ex partner, but yeah, I
was in a very bad relationship. It was there was
a lot of co dependency, a lot of drug use,
not in a start, but at the end that's how
it got and a lot of violence and.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Between us.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, and when I realized this person wasn't for me,
because I was very careful all my life who I
was a whole day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
It was too late.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was already in it, months in it, you know
what I mean. I wasn't strong enough to go stuff this.
I wanted to change that person. So now what happened
is basically he owed quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Somewhere, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I was hanging out with this person that said, there's
a mad job, you know what I mean. Somebody had
done something to hurt me as well. All of this
came together and I said, we're going in. We're going in,
and he's like, yeah, all right, I'm like just following
my dad dying about it. So you know, we went
to his house and everything was locked, and he's like,
(39:37):
let's go, and I said, no, we're already here. So
I reached the window out of the freaking seal around it,
and I jumped through the window with a knife, no mask, nothing,
because at that time I must have thought I was
invisible because.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I had, like, you know, I had drugs on the
way there. So that was it. I had rack and
that's you bang Superman and he's like no no.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'm like, and I dropped a knife and this man
comes out half naked, no bottoms on, and I'm like,
don't touch it. So I get in and I grab it,
and I'm like, where's one two three? You know, He's
gone no, no, no, And he got on my nerves and
I didn't realize, but yeah, I stabbed him.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Well, he was the person you came to see. Yeah, yeah,
I stabbed him.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I'm very lucky. I could have got manslaughter, I
mean sorry, attempted murder. Yeah, I could have killed him
very easily. So I had a quite a big knife,
a kitchen knife, and it went down his clavicle.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh you stab him there? Yeah, And then I.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Put a blanket around him or something, and I said,
let's get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You stab him, and then you stop the fucking try
and treat him. WHOA what else am I meant to do?
I did that last time, so it was like, have it.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I grabbed the tablecloth last time and I put around
the other person's there. So I did the same thing
and I was just out of there, you know. But
I had no feelings towards the situation, I didn't care,
you know, I was I wasn't the right mindset at
that point. Drugs had taken over me. I had a
lot of grief because some things that have happened. It was,
(41:13):
it was horrible. If I didn't go to jail on
New York, I would have never changed.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You probably would have got someone else's or someone else
or someone else. I reckon, I maybe would have been
been deadbine now if somebody would have killed me, or
I would have overdosed, or I would have nourished, I
don't know. Anything would have happened. That happened.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And then I was puddling around the city because I
was worried We're going to come get me, the coppers.
And then when I realized nothing had come up, after
a while, I was like, man, I'm going home. I
went back to my house. Then I went back to
the city. The party for a few days, and I
get a phone call from my family and they're like,
you're on a fucking us What the function with you?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
One? Two three?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
And then the coppers called me as well, and they're like,
oh where are you? And I'm like I'm out, you know,
And They're like, oh, well, we're just in your area
and I said yeah, and they're going, oh, like, we
want to come talk to you. And I'm like, well,
I didn't think we're there's anything to talk about. He goes, well,
do don't you think? So I said possibly, you know, maybe,
(42:11):
but I don't really want to talk to you, you
know what I mean. And I'm like, keep driving around
my house. I don't care. I'm not going to Thanks
for letting me know I'm not going there. And then
I rang up a lawyer, the same lawyer I had
last time for the same reason.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So I'm like, Okay, this guy knows my situation. Maybe
he can fix me.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And he's like, you need to go hand yourself in
and I said yeah, all right. So my Coley, which
was my partner, he's like, oh, I want to go
on a run and I'm like where and he goes, oh,
there's this farm. I'm like, how are we going to eat?
I'm like, you can't even freaking wipe your ask, you know,
nothing like this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
How we're going to eat? I have a drug issue.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
I can't go and the farm old ee down there,
you know, And realistically, my mind started thinking properly. At
that point, I said, they're going to come and start
raiding houses. My children are there. You know, it's not
going to stop. I need to go hand myself in
and I did. That was my opportunity to get the
fuck out of that shit. Wow, but I thought I
(43:04):
was a getting in bail.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I'm going to start with my life fresh.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's massive. It is.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's pretty sad, you know what, Satah that they put
my face up on Facebook and every fucking person out
there dogged me put my name out there on public
like it's Taylor Guns, it's Taylor Guns.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I'm like, do these people have no shame? Because I
remember I remember seeing it. I just went, no, this
can't be right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And then people started message me going, did you see
on the on the the police watch?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I said, yeah, that's it. Remember here from but a
Being she was on your podcast. That's embarrassing. She was
on your podcast. Really got to get her on again.
It was embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
You know, it's been embarrassing when you're good, when you're
good and you're you're you're really good, you look back
and it is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That ship ain't getting so yeah, no way, never again.
Have you still got some good issues.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I'm so in control of my emotions, very in control.
I've removed a lot of people from my life. For
the people out there that don't know, I don't go
by Tailor Guns anymore. I have a real name, and
so I guess the best way to say is Taylor
Guns does not exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Finished. This is the last time it will be made.
I'll ever come off. That's why I came here today
to put it closure, to let everyone.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Know, because a lot of people do come up and say,
how are you Tailer Guns, And I'm like, I don't.
That person doesn't exist anymore. Sorry. You know, I wanted
to change things up, you know. I want to live
a life, a beautiful life, and I have two great kids.
You know, I have my Grandma's come back to my life,
which is great. I'm very blessed. I'm starting a business
(44:59):
helping women out which with this, with intimacy and their sexuality,
just help and reclaim their identity in that thing, helping
them out with trauma, anything they want to learn. You know,
I'm there because I have that background too, and things
have gone really well for me. But I had to
get rid of everyone. I had to change my name.
I had to get rid of my old social media's,
(45:20):
the ones I called there's someone I can't get into.
They want ID. I'm like that, I don't have ID
for tailor guns. It's not a real person, man. You know,
I can give you my ID, and I don't even
look like that person anymore, you know. Yeah, I had
to change everything everything, And that's the only way it works.
If you want to get clean, if you want to change,
(45:42):
if you want to do better in your life, you
need to raise everything in you. You need to humble
yourself and start fresh.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But how did you get out of the escort scene
when you were making so much money.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I have a good family, man, They helped me out.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
What I mean to help me out is like obviously,
like I have assets of some sort whatever, and I
have some sort of income to get me by. My
main focus is in a new business. Of course, I
don't know, like I could always go there if I
wanted to. You know, I can't be bothered.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I can't be.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Bothered with it anymore. Like I just want to.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I want a job that I can like tour around
the world again, and I went and tour it in
Melbourne a few years ago before I went to jail,
and it was dead like that. That whole industry has died.
Every second person out there is an escort. It's not
taboo anymore. Have it been an escort back then? Like you,
there was a bit of class behind it. There was
a bit of you know, you knew how to act
(46:38):
in front of someone, you know, it was there was
a technique of the business, like an etiquette done if
that exists anymore.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But if you were making for if you could make
on a good year four hundred k stripping, surely you
could make fucking a lot triple that money.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
And you were doing it alone. You were doing alone.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, I had no business manager, no way. Why
that's so silly. Why would I let someone take fifty
percent more money? All I have to do this nswer
my own phone and it's not that hard.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So what what? Okay? So what was the prices that
you'd be charging for a clientele back then?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, I'll be charging in a thousand bucks an hour
to six hundred bucks an hour, thousand bucks an hour, yeah, yeah,
And that's just normal. It's just like to me, it's
the same thing. People are like, Oh, it's it's the
pawns I experienced or the this experience. I'm like, man,
I'm like, you know, just going with the person you
(47:33):
are and do what you're good at to win. Don't
try to change up whatever. You know what I mean,
don't try to be something you're not. You know, it's
yeah to Taylor Gun's experience, Like then, like it's.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
What do you want to say? Oh my, don't forget you.
I'm forty this year, I'm forty next month. Like you know,
how long is this going to go for? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, But I said the same thing about people who
are still in the industry that I was doing, Like
they're in the fifties and I think we make I
think you should hang up people sucking whatever you coat
now or whatever you get out of me.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
You can do what I did quietly, not out there,
know what I mean. You can do it like if
you need to hear and there whatever, But you don't
want to get mixed up with it forever, because if
you don't have any need to survive, you know, a
lot of them are party bookings.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
That's where the money is. Think about it. Fuck that.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, you know, being in a booking with someone that
can't swallow it, you know what I mean, like leeds
Water this, you know, you can't get it fucking working,
and now it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
How do There's a question I want to ask.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I don't think of any kind of person who's been
in the industry before, but how do you switch off
from being a worker to being a girlfriend or a wife?
Speaker 1 (48:49):
How do you switch off from doing that? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's very different, it's very very different. This feelings involved.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
But surely, like I've asked some girls who have been
in the industry and they get feelings for some of
their clients.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, that they're stupid while you're on your income is silly.
But how would you switch off? How would you do that?
No strings attached?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
You were there to give a service and get paid
and you can both have a good time at that
moment and leave it at that. Very different to what
I would have at home with someone. You know, it'd
be personal and in my personal business and I personally
like you know what I mean? You know you're the
clients as well, what do you like? It's like, what
do you like?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Man? You're not here to pay me. You tell me,
you know, like, what do you want? Because at the end,
you're gonna have to tell me what you want, you know.
Oh yeah, I've always wanted that.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
No, So for me personally, no, it's not the same thing. No,
it's different. It's very different. But it is hard to
hold a relationship in that scene. The only way you
can hold a relationship in that business is basically if
someone's got to be extremely on to earth and get it,
which is no one right, or they've got to be
a drug dealer because it comes hand in hand with
(50:11):
that lifestyle and that life style, you know what I mean,
that's the only way. Are you in a leaship them?
No way, No, No, I'm living my best life. I
think for me, a big problem with my downhills our relationships.
It's maybe my fault would be but yeah, I've always
been back to back in relationships in my life.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
So the last three years I'm on my own and
it's been good. What's your biggest regret?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Ah, my biggest regret. I have many regrets, and I
don't regret any of them in a way. I guess
I wish I did better with the Taylor dun thing.
I wish I didn't get too mixed up. I'm not
gonna say the rack and all that, but the ice,
the real scummy side of it, because I've could have
(51:00):
done better. They wanted to do a show on me,
you know know, like the Kardashians coming. They wanted to
showing me and I stuffed it over drugs. MMA Australia
Will tried to sign me up. I stuffed it over drugs.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, if you could go back and change anything, what
would you change.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It all over again? But better do it all over again?
But better? Yeah? Really yeah, I would not not not
the crime so much and the but just more than
Taylor the tailor before. Yeah, I would like much better. Trinity.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
She doesn't go by that anymore, guys, But Trinity, she
was always the best business woman. I knew like she
was great. Even now she's she's she's great. Like she
made it to Dubai, she's bought houses, she's done. She
was great. Man Like, I look up to that woman.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Because she went into the gym and she bought at
gym or something like that.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
She did gym. She owned clubs, dancing clubs. She opened
right now, I don't know how to explain it. She's
helping women in their forty reclaim themselves, you know what
I mean. And she's she's looking at going overseas. She's
a machine. She's always been great. Yeah, I look up
(52:17):
to her when it comes to that stuff. That was
my downfall, Like I couldn't be like her, you know,
I was too busy having a good time. She had boundaries.
And like I said that, I regret a lot of things,
but I have no regrets at the same time, Like
it's maybe who I am today. I have some really
good times. Now, I met some really cool people. You know.
(52:37):
Maybe they're not the best now, you know, but I
have many memories, many good memories. I'm not ashamed of
who I was or anything like that. I made tailor
guns out of nothing, you know, and she did well.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
She did good. I'll give her that much.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
If you could just describe yourself in one word or
two words.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
That's crazy, just and happy. I've alway been a happy person. Yeah,
I've always been a very happy person. Like you know,
I love people, Yeah, I do. I only wish the
best for everyone out there, anyone that's been in my position,
anyone that's I'm struggling with addiction. It's doable. You just
(53:22):
gotta you gotta get rid of everything. But it's doable,
and life does get better. Yeah, my biggest addiction that
was a gym. I can't get away from that. I'm
not like three hours a day.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
It's fucked.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I've just finished my first bulk like I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
I've putting on Wait and I look.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
In the mirror and I know I've chucked in killos on,
but I don't care because I'm bulking.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
You know, it's it becomes a lifestyle. It's my new
heroin for sure. Well, I to thank you for coming
on to thank you so much for having me. Yeah,
it's been good seeing you again. Thank you so much
much for having me. I appreciate it honestly.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
And yeah, call me back anytime when my business does well,
we can talk about what I really do.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Thank you very much. M
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