The Unseen Struggles of a Freestyle Rider | Jay Archer

This conversation explores the life and legacy of Jay Archer, a motocross and freestyle rider, through the eyes of his brother Ryan and wife Beth. It delves into their childhood, Jay's passion for bikes, the challenges he faced in pursuing his dreams, and the impact of his untimely passing on those who knew him.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am
Neil the Muscle Commons and in this episode I speak
about the life of the late motocross freestyle legend Jaya
Archer with his brother Ryan and his wife Beth.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
But at nine years of age. Back then, they didn't
have airbags. They had phone pits basically a tennis court
full of old farm and tires. And he was nine
years of age on smaller bikes back for being into
a phone pitch. Then it was ben and handlebars. Even
when he wasn't passion. Even Pastrana, Travis Pastana didn't really
think I heard that was and then when he saw
it was literally Ben and brandy bars just in the force.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
We know that the last thing he remembered was what
he absolutely loved.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
In his Instagram video, he actually says, where did they
when they go? Do one? First go? Because we were
a good time in a long time.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
So we'll start off probably with you ran to tell
me about you know, you and Jay growing up together
as brothers. You know what you used to get up
to before anything else about bikes and all like that.
What he was like as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, look, I Jaden moved to Melbourne when he was seven.
So when he was young with normal brothers, you know,
we had a good childhood and got into the bikes.
He got into bikes quite early. I was about thirteen
or something like that. Yeah, we moved around a little bit.
We went up down the coast for a bit on
the property to sort of chase the bikes. But yeah,

(01:28):
he moved to Melbourne. Parents put up. He moved to
Melbourne when he was seven. So you know, looking back
at it, I actually missed out on a lot of that,
but in a way it made us give us a
different bond. You know, I've got an older sister, Carlie,
so they were super close. You know, she was like
her mum's working flat out when they moved down there,
and she was like the the second mother sort of things.
We have very different memories from that. So I missed

(01:51):
a big chunk of his when he was a kid.
School life and that sort of stuff. But he played footy.
Fucking good footy player at a young age. So when
we were young like that, yeah, we were just good brothers.
Used to knock around the backyard playing footy, to ride
and by that sort of stuff. And then I actually
did miss a big chunk of it, which I look
back at now and it's hard to say I regret

(02:12):
it like I do, But that was the right.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
How would you meet up with him? Was it being holidays,
school holidays or something like that, or.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
My old man actually used to fly Jaden up to
Sydney to play footy each week and to ride the bikes.
Very hard for Mom trying to manage the motorbikes sitting
on her own. So that was so they worked well
in flying up and back and forth. So we see him,
you know, putting a little seven year old on a
plane to fly home as an unaccompanied mine. It's hard
saying that, but that was you know, we were still

(02:40):
we still enjoyed that time.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Was that as dreams a bit? His main goals as
the bike?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah? From pretty young. I loved his footy as well,
but it was pretty evident to see with his skill
set and ability.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Who's who's the one who actually pushed him to be
on the bike.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
It was just my man was into and he has
a hobby sort of in you nothing, nothing serious, but
I think that was what drove us there. Obviously, Mom
and dad and no one knew where it was going
to go. It was just a fun thing, you know.
That's what we did as a family when we were younger.
Every weekend was spent footy and then going away to
the bikes and on the Sunday. So it was just
what we did and it just went the way it

(03:17):
did for him. You know, the move to Melbourne is
pretty much what took off to where he got by
chance meeting the people that he met down there, and
it just really took off. So everything was worked out.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, you know, what was he when he actually like well, okay,
the bike's his main concern now and that's what he's
going to do and he's going to push for it.
How old was he Well, I mean so he raced.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
He raced when he was when he was younger, probably
up until around I think he left school in year eight.
That's when it was sort of like, this is what
he's going to do. I mean, we sort of knew
he had a lot of potential. A lot of other
people told us he had the potential. Mum and Dad
were never pushy with our whole family, supportive, but you
get a lot of people that are pushing and think
their kid's going to be in the fucking world champion like, yeah, supportive,

(04:03):
but it was more other people that said, this kid's
going to got a lot of potentially. Originally it was
in the racing.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Scene, So what do you mean by race and seeing what.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
We're motocross racing as opposed to the freestyle which you
later ended up doing. And that was yeah, up until
probably when he was in y eight when he left,
but even at quite young age when he was he
started dabbling with the freestyle sort of stuff, and that
was kids his age doing stuff like that wasn't wasn't
a normal thing, you know, But isn't it expensive sport

(04:32):
for him to do?

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Starting off?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Is it very expensive? The racing side of thing is
very expensive. Now you're traveling around every weekend in the
state and up and down the coast, very expensive to
be competitive and maintaining things. And it's not just weekends.
You're doing stuff during the week. You're trying to practice
and all that. Even as like young kids, he was
practicing a couple of times a week. And you know,
when we're up here and parents were together, that was

(04:55):
obviously a bit easier to manage. But even down there
when mum was on our own, like getting him the
tracks twice a week to practice and all that sort
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's full on. Did he stack a place a lot
to do that by yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
But even like a point to mention as well, which
I reckon plays a big role in how Brazilian he
fucking was and mentally tough. Like I think at one stage,
you've been to a new school every year. So he
finished school in year eight. I think he probably went
to seven different schools or something, you know, always moving
around and as a young kid moving and starting a
new school, it's not easy for doing that sort of

(05:27):
stuff and mum moving for work and this and that.
He didn't miss a beat, you know, so that probably
paved the way of how Brazilian he was and change
and things like that. And when he was down in Melbourne,
like he was seven when he first went down there,
his mates were fucking in their late twenties. That's literally
like some of the closest people who who were still
his closest mates to this day, you know, to his accident.

(05:50):
They were bolks who was there when he was a seven,
eight nine year old kids?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Was that the only job he's ever done, That's the
only kind of work he's ever done. What kind of
jobs are the eyes reathing?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You think about everything? So how long have you known
before I was about nineteen, so he would have been
twenty three. Okay, so we were together for about six years,
and I knew of him for a long time, like
he knew my dad for a while before that, because
my family was not to his level, but grew up
in the motorbike scene.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
What do you mean not to his level?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, he was good at everything he did. If he raced,
he was greater than if he did freestyle, was amazing
at it. But yeah, he whilst he was doing the
natro stuff, he was a suspension technician and he was
good at that.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, yeah, I read that. I've seen that. I was thinking,
like when he's done a lot of things that like
is he done?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like well.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I guess we'll get to that.
But when he kind of gave up, Yeah, he gave
up being a suspension technician so that he could continue
the freestyle. But for a long time he was really
pushing the limits and he didn't really have the financial
backing that he needed, so anything that he could do
that was willing to work around freestyle, meaning someone that's

(07:02):
going to give him time off for competitions. If he
needs to go to America and a drop with the heart,
he could go brick laying, laboring all the civil construction works.
Funny stories when he got put in a poof farm
and he and that day he was texting Travis for
Shana and he said that stuff this already a fee.
There's some stories, but anything he could do he would.

(07:23):
People would say, what are you doing that for? You
can waste your time, go stuff it.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It was times he was working three jobs.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
There was times in Gold Coast where he would do
suspension through the day, finish at five going no, he'd
do Sorry, he was laboring at his friend's business, being
a chippy labor finish there, go to the suspension place,
do the suspension for a race team, clean the truck,
clean the bikes, get them all loaded. He come home
at three am, have an hour's sleep, get up, go

(07:50):
to the gym, do it all again.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Was it hard to get sponsors for that kind of sport?
Would you have to make a name first before we
can get a sense to fucking have troubles? Which does
Suld never make sense.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. But I also think there's
a lot of the sport's not what it used to be.
You know, when he was a kid, Like what Ryan
was saying. As a kid, he was at that time
the youngest kid person to do a backflip and.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I've seen that, the youngest in the world to
do a backflip a seventy five.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, so he was always en up and comer. He
was always around the biggest in the sport. But back
in those days it was crusty demons and there was
a lot more money in the sport. And I think even.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Because if it's in Australia, if it had been somewhere else,
would have got the money or not.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Before he got into it, when like some of the
guys who were his mates with, who were forty now
in their prime, there was a lot of money around. Yeah,
doing like elite tricksps back then there was a handful
of people doing them. There was big money for doing
those sorts of things. It's just seemed that there wasn't
enough to give back for where the limits were getting pushed.

(08:52):
There was nothing. I mean, had he put a price
on doing something that dangerous.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean, like you're doing something that dangerous, but
you're not getting paid well and afford it. Yeah, And
like back to the ship jobs, he had.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That was the fund, you know, because there's a battle
of I want to do this full time so you
can push the limits and progress and be better, but
then how do you fund that? So the more you're working,
the less you're progressing, the more you're trying to fucking roll.
Where's your money coming from you? So that was a
battle that he jumps ship and he'd be doing fucking
shut down work on the railway, working night shift for

(09:23):
two or three weeks and get some money behind him
and then go. So he was constantly trying to juggle that.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Did he ever one stage want to give up?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
He never, ever, ever would have given up. I think
a lot of people told him to give up, and
people told him there's no money and it just get
a normal job. But he never would have I don't
even think that even crossed his mind ever.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, that's one of his sort of the main slogans,
has never give up. Yeah. Wow, there would have been
so many times that you think fucked like any normal
person that wasn't wide luck he was would have given up.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, he would say, I love this shit. It makes
me tougher. That was what he would say to me.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Did he get any recognition for that backflip and forever
in the world for that seventy five feet one? Did
he get any recognition for that? Not when you.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Like, I mean like magazines and that sort of stuff.
Back then, there was nothing huge. I mean he did
know he had some decent sponses back nothing that's like financial,
but you gear and buyikes and things like that, but.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
There wasn't much that sort of So it's mostly like
that they just give you Instead of giving you funds
to get somewhere, they give you a handout to help
you with your bike or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's I think that's the baselines and stuff. And then
when you get especially now with social media or that,
you've got to be marketable. That's where the money comes from.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So how do you get big in that sport? How
do you get to be how do some people get bigger?
But you know, like some of its mates they have
they made it like they.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's a weird thing. It's like is it timing? But
that doesn't make sense because Jo was in it. From
a kid. So that's why for us it still doesn't
make sense. I don't know if it's timing. I mean,
the biggest thing for a lot of companies is there's
no budget. That's the biggest answer. He would get no budget.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
But you're doing these you're doing these like he was
with nature for like how in ten years doing all
this stuff and yet he's struggling to make it fun wise. Yeah,
it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I know, And I think I feel bad when I
say no financial wracking because there were some great people
that supported him, like smaller businesses. He did end up
picking up Black Rifle Coffee that sponsored him, So it just.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Would then smaller business keep you here. Yeah, but the bigger,
the bigger boat ones.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
And that's that's the thing is that he was chasing.
He just needed that big which is what all the
guys he was competing against, they all had that.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
But how do they get that? Do they have management?
Were they managed by people and nothing or what?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And then there was times where Jo had someone managing
looking after Obviously if there's not much in it for them,
they might.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Because I've seen I looked on Google what he's doing.
I just don't get way.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
We would say, like, seriously, you couldn't write a book
on this, what the bad luck of things? But yeah,
again I would have thrown it if I was. But
it was never something that he was going to do.
But he had his fucking goals And would.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
You go to every show?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, i'h god, Yeah, it was our life. That was
our whole life.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, there was no and that was wherever that took us.
If it meant moving to a random place in the world,
would go.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
So how many time? How many times has he been injured?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
He broke before me and he's really heavy one with
the broken necks of just before I came we were dating.
But the biggest one with me was a broken leg.
That took a lot because he was almost at the
point where he was going to do the trible backflip
at competition. But the broken leg was a bit of
a that took a toll on him mentally.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It was just hard.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
It was a long recovery. Other than that, there were
so many there's broken collar bones. There was two weeks
before he did the tribble backflipping competition he smashed his
face up and I think I don't know if he
broke his nose, but all those little ones, they were nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
When he's injured like that and he's not majorly funded
like he is, what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Is he savings? That's what he works so hard.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
To just what people don't see.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
He would save his money, use that money to fund
building ramps, which is probably expensive, and then whatever's left
over if he gets injured, he lives off that until
he can get to it's just to the next thing,
to the next thing, to the next again.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
To acknowledge that the good people that did.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
They would have got in a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
We're talking local roofers and your players who there's nothing
in it for them to help.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Out them to just help them trying to help him out.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Those sort of people and the family support I guess
is there were some really good loyal people sponsors that
were with him for a long time. But like you said,
there are people that have no benefit from doing it,
and they're helping him at what they can. But it's
that one big one.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
That he needed to the next level, leave the Steell
Caups there and on full time at this ship and
doing what he where he got to with still having
to manage dablo on work and bits and pieces to
make money, like it's fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, So how far into his career was he still
dabbling with doing work and was it right up to
the end.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, he never stopped, really, Yeah, he never stopped.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
There'd be phases, you know, like sometimes you'd have a
busy few months and then he's going got a big
event on whatever, So he'd work up until that to
get some money behind him.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
So all the travel costs he would have to fork
out himself, like because he went to Oklahoma or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, occasionally, like sometimes maybe they'd cover the flight there
or but it was never. You know, something that we
noticed a lot when I went to X games with
him was he would watch everyone and go, they've got
their flights paid for their accommodation, they've got a car,
and they've got a film.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And I do that when I do things that I
see the same. Why have you got that?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That was like something that he would be lucky if
the flights were paid for, they'd be great. Would He'd
be so grateful? But most of it was also funded.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Really wow, So tell me about because for me, I've
never really watched anything this until I've studied them, you
know what I mean. So tell me about the backflip, Like,
what what's it involved? This backflip? And what even for
seventy five feet what's involved?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
He was fifteen when he did.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
He was fifteen years old.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But what this actually started when he was nine, So
he's been living in Melbourne a couple of years there.
As I said, mum was very hard for a single
mom to manage with that sport and the level of
maintenance and that sort of stuff on the bike. So
in a round about way, they come in contact and
met a blake by named mcamp Singlair and he was
pretty pretty good at the time and he went on
to be one of the country's one of the world's best,

(15:42):
you know. And the way that they connected was through
the bikes. And I think I think the original sort
of deal was he rented my mum's garage. He needed
somewhere to keep the bikes and all that, and the
deal was will help my son out, Yeah, And that
went on to become like they was so close y. Yeah,
he's a huge part. It was a huge part of
his life and his success. But at nine years of

(16:05):
age back then, they didn't have airbags. They had phone
pits basically a tennis court full of old foam and tires,
and he was nine years of age on smaller bikes
backflot being into a phone pit then fuck. And it
was always like he was doing it then and it's
from from there to dirt. He's a big thing. But
it was all going to happen much much younger. And
then they actually moved back to Sydney, Mum and his

(16:26):
sister and Jo and then that sort of all got
put on old for a bit and it was fifteen
when he ended up when he end up landing at Yeah,
but like I at that age, and you know, he
was in the hands of some pretty experienced blokes who
had a lot of practice, a lot of stuff into
the phone pit and then you take it from there
to dirt, I guess. So what was that?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
What was the one that he did at the natural secuary?
He was a nature't the triple?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, that was when I first started dating, when I
first started dating, and he did a double and he
wanted to do a double because Cam's thing was he
did double backlips all around the world and Jo really
looked up to him, so he learned a normal backflip
and then eventually wanted to do a.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Double like Cam.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I remember where we were actually at Cam's birthday and
he'd been off talking to Cam and he came back
to me. He was, Oh, I think I'm going to
try a triple and I was like, no, We've done two.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's enough.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
We don't need to go to three. And at that time,
there was only one person in the world that had
done it, that's Josh Sheen, but he had only done
it at Travis Reshina's house in America to a really
really super big ramp and landing that could not be
recreated in competition. So Jo's goal was to recreate a
ramp that could be transported to on tour so that

(17:42):
he could do like what Cam did toured with a
double backflip. He wanted to tour with a triple backflip.
The problem was is that they had no idea of
what type of ramp like. Then it goes into the
aerodynamics and all that stuff of how do you build
this ramp that's going to be transportable but also allow
you to do a triple backflip at competition. So yeah,
once he started that, I think that was a good

(18:02):
three or four years of our relationship of chasing this
thing of building ramps.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Can I ask, though, like, because you're not as you're saying,
there's there's no funding in this right now, He's now
going to try and do something that only one person
in the world's done. But what's he gained from that? Well,
this is what I'm trying to put together because it's
fucking do my head. And yeah, I know that's not
what drove him, but the thing is something so dangerous
that one place in the world's only done. Yeah, he's

(18:27):
no one's financially back in this guy to go like,
fucking this guy's fucking good back, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think he was that always felt like it was
around the corner, like if I'm almost about to get
that you know, top sponsor deal that everybody else is
that kind of thing. And I think also, you know,
he was really good with normal freestyle, but he looked
at Cam who had done this thing that not many
people have done, and he looked at me.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Ja sounds like a person who is like, I know
it can be better than him. It was I cannot
do it.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Most just like people are going to say I can't
do this, and then I'm going to do it like
I can do it. He just he just knew he
could do it. And the whole years of him doing
the Triple, there were so many people that said you're
not going to get this thing, and not because he
couldn't do it, because he would spend ten grand on
building a ramp and they'd hit it and hit it
and hit it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
He would spend ten times, So that's his money ten
it would cost.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's all the steel he'd get it.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
So what happens when that goes down and they take
it away? Who keeps that?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Really?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So yeah, with the Triple, he first started, as Beth said,
they created a ramp which was just an idea. There
was no like real engineering or physics behind it. He
drew something up and they got it made paid for it.
And that was first set up, and he had some
footage and he was doing he wasn't getting close to
the three but he was just in someone's property having

(19:47):
to go. And then that footage got sent over to
Duffy was a Nativis in America and he saw that
and then passed the footage onto Travis Australia who Jo
had met since been on NIRA service, but not at
a close level. And once that footage got shown, that
was what that was dropping the doors open the door
because at one stage there he was hiring an air

(20:08):
bag off a bloke paying for a thousand bucks for
the weekend. He had mates out of at a property
and they're out there and he might get one or
two jumps and then you're fucking you're bending the bike,
you're bending yourself up, and then that's that's your whole week.
You've done two jumps, and then it's like, right, what
do we need to change? What do we need to do.
So that's that was the first stage of it, was
just some local mates of his out there all set

(20:31):
it up. It's not a five minute job setting up.
Imagine all this to go into maybe two jumps, you
fuck the bike, you bend some how many bakes of
the up. You usually would would.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Try and have to two at a time, all one
if he couldn't get to.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
You generally have one for freestyle, one for the practice
or what he was doing. But that's how it started out,
with like not even knowing it's possible, and the ramp
like there was he created that. It was no because
I also had that, like, well, I've seen that. It
said that he was going to try and do quadrinkle.
What I think what best said there as well. It's
not that he was driven by the money. But even

(21:05):
when he did the double flip, we thought things were
going to vocals would get to start. He was going
to get some back in and it's like right, and
now we can do this full time, but they never did.
And then he's got at the triple when he eventually
got to that, yeah, and look in saying that once
he went over to Travis's, he funded that himself and
a bloke who became one of his fucking right end men,
Joshi Glynn. He went over with him, paying his own

(21:27):
way as well. And I actually went over that trip
and that was where he was going in. Travis Pashana
had said, mate, come over and use what you need,
but there was still no one knew what was possible.
So he was going over there trying a different ramp.
This wasn't the ramp that Hed previously tried on in Australia.
It was another ramp. I don't know. Travis might have
hit it a couple of times and it was just
a ramp that sat there. It was fucking too big

(21:50):
and too scary. And then j went over and that's
where so he's trying a completely different ramp and spent
a couple of weeks there testing to work out is
this even possible? So at that stage, no one even
knows as possible. So you can have it go, but
no one really knows if this was going to be.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
How fuscy I've got to go that round.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
That particular ramp was a was a third gear ramp.
So in terms of kilometers, I don't know, but third
gear is pretty quick, most in second gear for standard freestyle.
But that was the.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Fear factor with that ramp, like it was was he
confident of doing it when he was practicing it? Was
he confident? Yeah? Or was he always just confident.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
He was? In that few weeks there, he bent parts
on the bike. We had to get new parts over
there by Hawks his bike. He bent the front for Hawks.
He was bending handlebars even when he wasn't crashing, just
on the g force because the speed is underneath this ramp.
He was ben and handlebars going up it. Even Pastraana
and Travis Pstraana didn't really think I heard that was
and then when he saw it was literally ben and

(22:51):
brand new bar. It was just in the force. But
like that couple of weeks there was what even though
he didn't get the three around, he got so fucking close.
He was banging himself up, he was fucking comp and hits.
The bike was fucked by the end of it. But
that was a a success because it actually and other
people started to believe he's going to get this. Yeah,
it's a fucking it's possible, even though he didn't quite

(23:14):
get there. And then he came back and from then
on he did actually get a bit of support from NITROSA.
They wanted to help him and to manage that and
that was going to be was always going to be
held at one of their big issues, so they did,
like it is important. They did back him and a property.
But this was once he'd done all the hard groundwork,

(23:34):
you know, so then there was a bit of support
from them.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Because it was I think it was hard for people
to you know, when he was practicing at home, he
had minimal budget. So it was with the ramp that
he'd built, the airbag that he was hiring for one
to two thousand dollars a day, and if the ramp
wasn't right, I remember, they needed to jack the ramp up,
so they had it pushed against like an excavator or
it was just whatever he could do to make it work.

(24:00):
So when he did go to Travis's, that was a
really good turning point because that's like you said, and
people took it more seriously and thought, Okay, he's got
a chance.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
He's going to do this. Like what I've seen here,
it's a shame that it's come to this that someone
has to pass away for someone to get a legacy
and a recognition out there. And it always happens with
everybody out there. Someone tries their hardest to get there,
and then the showing that how good they are, something
tragically happens, and then all of a sudden their name

(24:29):
grows bigger, but they're not here to you know what
I mean. And this is a problem with society at
the moment, because I said, only a couple of days
ago to one of my mates, if I pass away,
my podcast will go through the fucking roof, you know
what I mean. But while I'm here, it stays at
this level, you know what I mean? I get it
to hear here here, but if I fucking pass away,
I'll fucking got the roof.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, there's so many nice things written on social media
and tributes and things that have been said since his accident,
which is fucking amazing. Yeah, there there's one in particular
from a friend of his, and it said, yeah, you're
always so focused and started to to make it that
you never took the time to stand back and realized
you had made it. And that's like, I mean, it

(25:11):
gives me goosebumps listening to it with me saying that,
you know, but it's true. But there's different ways to
look at that, because what does men making it? Like
you say, Now, there's all these lovely things coming now.
But j didn't always feel the respect from the sport
people in the sport I can see, and there was
he constantly got let down. You're not expected to get help,
but he he appreciated every bit of help he did get.

(25:34):
But a lot of things he got to let down.
A lot he had He had things that would be
in the horizon and things that are locked in and
then it comes around and all of a sudden, that's
fucking and to the point of some of these people
were involving him as a kid and close friends of him,
not just associates.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
For there's any people jealous of him, Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Fucking they would have been. Yeah. But yeah, even with that,
like he was, he was let down by people that
and that cut him because Thomas the world and deliver, Yeah,
and that cut him. And he used to wonder, what
the fuck like these people have been there and you know,
you talk about hotels. There was an event in Melbourne.
He's fucking home down right, So okay, he's from there,

(26:13):
but there was a lot of other people from Melbourne
at the event. Everyone gets hotel rooms. He didn't get
fuck all. Really, he pays for his own one. All
the other writers in that event get a hotel room.
I mean wow, But that didn't fuck bother him. It
is what it is, like best said, he'd say, thanking
fuck like this. It's just is what it is. And
that's like where I go back to change the schools

(26:34):
when you're so young, just being resilient and never given up.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
You know, there's there a lot of politics that in
this sport. Well, like I don't know because I've never
I've never really looked into it. That deep is that
or not?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't know. It's tricky.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
You have to be someone to get like under the
table or to get anywhere.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Honestly, I don't know, because I think you know. The
thing is we don't know, and we're not in their
business and we don't Like I could sit here and
say he really didn't understand why he didn't get to
that next level up and we didn't understand. But the
reality is is we're not in there meetings, we don't know.
There might be a reason. There might have been seriously
no budget, but it didn't make sense because of he
was enough and comer from such a young age. And

(27:13):
he would saying like I'm willing to push the limits,
like I'll do the big stuff they know and I'm
proving it to them. What else do I have to
do to show them?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It wasn't consistent, Like it didn't make sense. That's the
easiest way to put it. You fucking He would scratch
his head, but he kept turning up kept he was
another thing since talking about his personality or his character,
like again, if everyone had the Summon month, they say,
is fucking light up the room? Is so positive? He

(27:42):
was never negative and that's true, that's who he was.
But I think the part that makes it more special
is that close ones know that it wasn't all just
easy and give it to me, because if you've got
everything given to you, fucking O, how hard is it
to be positive? But he's rocking up. He's having so
many setbacks, he's still turning up. He had all sorts
of things going on in the background, which again any

(28:05):
normal person to say this is too hard, but he
would to be able to flick the switch.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
So I say, he could have all that shit going on, fucking.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Not sleeping because he's put all this shit on his mind,
but then he's still fucking He's at the gym on
Instagram and quarter pass too because he couldn't sleep and
go to the gym, and then the next day he's
back into it. He could flick that switch, but then
everyone thinking he is still the most positive person.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, that is the mental toughness that he had being
able to just adapt. We're very close family, all supported,
you know, and we'd always having phone calls to him
and feeling the fucking the letdown or feeling the disappointment.
But he fucking bounced back.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Tell me how you met him, Tell me how you
got to.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Mend him through Instagram. He was a suspension technician for
my dad and he would do my dad and my
brother's motorbike and I think Dad was the fan before
I was got a selfie with him and brought it
back and Dad said, oh, this guy's on night church
because he does this, he does that, And I would
have been so young. I would have been like fifteen

(29:07):
us at all. I'm going to follow him on Instagram
that I don't know where the At the funeral, someone
said that I had posters of him in my room.
That was not true. That's what you're laughing at. My gosh,
both look like a stalker. But yeah, we just followed
each other on Instagram. He knew my dad and my
brother and eventually, you know, got a bit older and

(29:29):
were chatting on there and just went on a date.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And then who asked Did you ask him or he
asked you? No, he asked me.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'd never ask him if I get rejected, that's so embarrassing. No,
I definitely probably I was interested. But we I think
we just went and got dinner and then we just
didn't part. We just kept seeing each other.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Wow, tell me about the when he proposed to you.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, that was after he'd done the triple flip. He
actually he told me he had the ring for over
a year before he did that.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, because do you know anything about this night happened.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
No, but he had told me two years before it
that he he had this thing where he would have
dreams of things and that would happen about his motorbike stuff.
So he told me he had a dream that he
landed a triple backflip, and then proposed me on that night.
And this was well before he was anywhere close of
landing a triple backflip. So yeah, two years later, that's

(30:22):
time's gone on whatever. But he'd actually gone and brought
the ring, took it with him from Melbourne to Gold Coast,
and I think in that time the competition was meant
to happen, but he had broken his leg, so that
got postponed another six months or so on after that. So, yeah,
he held on to it all that time and then
proposed afterwards.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
How it was, I was already crying.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, he landed the triple and I was just stoked
that he'd landed it. And then they did the podium
in their first second day, and once they'd done that,
they gave him the mic and he said he had
something else to do and got on one day and
held the ring to himself already crime from.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Because down to that night when he was being interviewed
after doing that, like he was adrenaline. That was insane,
like doing what he did that night and then knowing
that that was that was the finale, you know what
I mean, if I can go a bit more into
that night. So having the ring for so long, that
event was meant to happen as best said, and got

(31:37):
canceled and the funding things weren't organized my different sort
of reasons along the way, So that was part of
like getting ready and then it's canceled when that event
went through, like Jayden for three years, he caught the injuries,
all the fucking money, the biker issues, the trial and
there on this ramp No that's sucking, no good scrap
that this one over here, trips overseas and then finally

(32:01):
after he broke his leg, Nitro and he's good mate
Jack Strong, it was at his property. Everyone sort of
agreed that fucking ramp his name more it's too dangerous
there's too much it can go wrong. So after all
of that time practicing and trying to perfect his trick,
now he's back to square one again. So he broke
his leg six months bak his family six months before

(32:22):
the event. He had to recover and then try on
a new ramp. So he was on the third ramp
by then, which was much smaller. Again, trying to do
something that extreme off a small fucking that much time
to get rid of.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think it was six weeks out from the competition
and where you were saying.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Iland and he was like, this is not normal. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's something I do want to touch on is Jaden
was the crash dummy. Jo did all the fucking hard work.
He's the one that went, this is fucking not possible,
and he made it possible. And then that event's coming
up that it was known he was going to do that,
This was the plan for a couple of years, and
then another bloke once he knows it's possible, another bloke
jumps on the bandwagon and comes out and he's going

(33:03):
to do that same trick at the Worldames. There's no
rule saying you can't do the same fund. You've got
one bloke who's done all the hard yards. You got
someone else that jumps on the bandwagon that night. The
way that the competition works is you get two goes.
You get two goes at the trick, and that's fucking it.
Jo was not wasting any time. He come out and
did it first go, first go, fucking landed it. That's it.

(33:25):
The other bloke comes out, has two goes and the
crowd's fucking no one knows what's going on because he
hasn't done it. Then he has a third go and crashes.
Then he has a fourth go and he wins the event.
But that didn't fucking matter because everyone knows Jaden one.
He fucking did it first. He's the one that did
all the hard yards to get there. And then he

(33:45):
proposed to his missis. It didn't matter what the fucking
judges say. We know who the winner was. How someone
was allowed to get four goes that was me?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well you just keep quiet? How does that happening In
the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
J is not a fucking he ain't fuck He's not
going to be a bad sport about it. Everyone knows,
people have watched it, people know what the truth is.
So how that happens DNA. Wow.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
So the preparation for doing something like that is how
many weeks prior to it to the event? What are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, usually you would let's say someone's got a competition,
maybe three months before they start practicing their trick. Maybe
six months if they really need a lot of practice.
Obviously Jo was I mean for the World Games that
was years and years and years of practice. For X
Games hit that was pretty quick. He had two weeks
practice and managed to pull a trick out. But when

(34:33):
you're doing such a big trick, they don't usually land
it in practice because you're not getting paid or it's
not you're not winning something use practicing. So most of
the time you'd get it as perfect as you could
to the phone pit or an air bag, and then
you're hopefully not injuring yourself and then you do the
big thing on the night, don't land and right out
of it. So with his trip or, he was doing

(34:53):
it to an air bag over and over and over
again and just trying to land it perfectly to that
and World Games was the first of technically riding out
of it.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Wow. Let's lead up to the day. Okay, on the
twenty first of Fabruary. Everything's fine at home, Yeah, everything,
everything's in practice before you know, everything's going good.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah. Well he was in Melbourne, so if we lived
in Gold Coast and then yeah, were you there in Melbourne?
I was in Gold Coast and he'd been in Melbourne
for two months prior because he was practicing the triples
again to do a triple over in Vienna, getting ready
to go away to Vienna.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, so was the only one of you there on
the on the practice? None of you were there?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, just his good friend Josh, who'd been with him
through the whole triple. He was the he ran the
air bags that they would practice to and became a
very close friend. So he was there. That was like
he was always practicing with him. He trusted.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Joshi, who Jay had met a few years earlier. I
had no real involvement in the sport. And he become
one of the ambassador for this air bag.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Company and then atrailing distributor.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, train distributor for the air bag company. And then
that's him and Jay O Matt and if you other
riders used to go there, but Joshi and Jay had
just got on and he was fucking unbelievable. Again, he's
a concrete There was very little, if anything to fucking
get out of it for him, and we felt safe
when he was with Josh used to travel with him
and he'd set the things up, he'd make sure everything's right,

(36:21):
you know.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
So what went wrong then, nothing that he did.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
It was a bike Well we're not one hundred percent sure.
We think it was a bike malfunction. So he'd just
gotten into a Stark, which was an electric bike. The
original reasoning for getting on a Stark was he was
going to then go on to do a quad flip,
which he believed was only going to be possible through
because it had more power and he would weld all
these special things onto it that would help him with

(36:47):
the triple. And they found that a footthook had snapped
off over far away, so they think maybe that had
snapped off with which left him nothing to hook onto
and it threw the bike off axis, which then missed
the safety landing bag.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Which was what happened and what injuries did he sustain?
From me, I've read the report.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
There was it was just the compression of hitting the ground.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Really, it was just on impact. Yes, it's yeah, that
sort of stuff. I think. I think that's the only
thing that we can be at peace with a little
bit it happened suddenly.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Are you happy with the report that you've got back.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Well, I'm happy that it was on impact, like you know,
like you said, like it's terrible, but you know, but yeah,
that's you know, what else do you do to you
can't really be happy with anything to do.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I haven't read the report. I don't know that that
is something I need to do. Read it, which she's
pretty solid.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Why do I feel like you do there's something that
you don't like about what happened.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, there's not much to like.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, yeah, you can't change it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I don't think. I think for me, you know,
I've seen the video. I've watched the video. That's that's
enough for me. But back to what be said about
the like, Josh, he's there, Josh's the one who's got
to hold all the knowledge of this. Josh's analyzed things
and he's very sure that's sort of what happened. I

(38:23):
think with this sort of thing. Whether he'd been down
there for a period of time practicing it was only
wasn't a week before something he'd done little little Instagram
video and gone out there. Set up was perfect. He's
gone and done one first go. Yeah he could do it,
I think is he's already landed one. He's so fucking
confident with his thing. People can't believe how confident and

(38:45):
consistent he is. So he'd done one, and in his
Instagram video he actually says, we're out here today, we're
going to go do one first go because we're have
a good time in a long time. A few days later,
a week later, whatever it was when he was writing
on the twenty first again, he's so comfortable and consistent
with it that that's why. And Josh's come to the finding.

(39:06):
So on his other bikes, on a normal bike, the
four strikes, you've got more solid frames and a lot
more to mount foothoks too, because that helps him tuck
in and keeps him on access when you're pulling that
hard on this bike. As Best said, it was a
new bike, and they're not. It's not a big steel,
chunky engine and frame. You know, you don't have a
back break there, so there's there's limited things. So you're

(39:29):
making these makeshift hawks and I guess that that's what
was found well before the brand and then when you
watch the video, he basically spins off access. There's no
real way out when you're that high and you're spinning
that quick.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
How long How long time you were told what was happened?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think two hours after.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
That day at work, I was fucking flicking through something
on Instagram randomly and it made a message me and
I looked at that message and funny, it was something
completely random, but funny enough. The last time that made
it message me was commenting on my brother post, which
was my birthday message, and I was like, maybe birthday mate,
I love your brother. And I actually looked at that.

(40:11):
And this was around nine o'clock, which was close to
the accent time I actually looked at that message and
I screened him. I thought, I've already seen it months
earlier when my birthday was I fucking screened and I thought, fuck,
it's fucking awesome. I just had a little thought about it,
and then I got the phone call a couple hours
after because obviously went to mum and come to me,

(40:31):
and then I called my jo's best mates up in Queensland, Yeah,
to go and notify.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Beth because Arley had his sister had called my dad
and they were just trying to figure out who they
could get to get me so that it wasn't just
a random phone call at work, and they couldn't figure
out they didn't have my best friend's numbers. They didn't know,
so I guess then Ryan thought to call one of
Jo's friends to come to my work.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, what was going from your head?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh? I actually sort of gets backs of that phone call.
I was. I was up on the top of a
building I work in construction, say, I was at the
top of a phone call from my sister, and then
it just it's a it's I can remember it, but
it's a B. I was running around as well, like
something to mention it as well, Like it was fucking

(41:23):
bizarre with Jo. And this is even before he was
into the crazy ship and the bike, so just when
he was a kid, we all had these fucking strains,
like my mum, my sister, I'm sure dad as well,
but myself, like I always had this thing with him
where if I didn't do something, something was going to
happen to him. I had this I developed this fucking, horrible,
fucking a CD I was fruit with, you know, but

(41:45):
I always thought if I didn't do something, it was
something was going to happen to him. And like my
sister's written poems and things when she was young about
like worrying about him. It was it's weird. We all
felt like he could be somewhere else, and we all
sort of would feel things, you know, that he's riding soon,
we'd all be fucking stress and I which corner of
the country we are, Well, he's in the other side
of the world, and everyone will be thinking it's going

(42:06):
to be up soon. It's going to be up soon.
But on that day I was aware he's riding, but
it was it was strange. I didn't really you know,
I wasn't sort of pace and looking at the time.
When I got that phe with my sister, it was
complete fucking I could tell by a voice pretty quickly.
It wasn't that she said he's gone, and I thought

(42:27):
it was police because he was gone for a fucking
horrible court case for fucking years since twenty fifteen when
he broke his neck, and it was things are really
ramping up with that, and initially I thought, Okay, we
can sort this out. He's fucking gone, and coppers had
grabbed him or whatever I like. But then yeah, it
worked out, that's not what she was talking about. By

(42:51):
the name of Troy. A long time ago run an event,
my brother broke his neck through negligence. Well, the courts
didn't find that. They found it the other way. But
that went on for so long, ya and jay I
was never there to walk around on a walk and
st and make money out of it as soon as
he could his back on the bike. Competing went on
for years and years and the court found it the

(43:12):
other way. But something that was fucking wanting him for
in the last sort of six to twelve months was
the courts were coming after him for the compensation for
the fees. You know, he was he got looked after,
no win, no pay sort of thing. Next you know,
he's under all this pressure and he's getting fucking being
sent to him about how much he os. The only
way he can make a living is by going overseas.

(43:34):
They're trying to say he couldn't travel, and he's trying
to train for these big events and he's got that
going on in the background. He actually we had a
conversation and a lot of our chats were unfortunately we
were about negative shit, who's fucking letting him down? Or
who's fucking done this? Or what's the latest with this?
You know, he'd even said he had a helping him
out because he was about to just fucking cop it,
and just where he comes up with his money, who knows.

(43:57):
And he even said, like I can't handle this, Like
this is fucking He's not sleeping, he's stress and he's
got all this shit he's trying to do. He even said,
I'm going to have to be off the offline because
I'm trying to practice for this event. And yeah, I'll
never forgive that issue that didn't not to say that
played a role in the twenty first, but the fucking

(44:17):
mental stress he was that was putting on him is
fucking would say, it's fucking horrible. But one thing that
I am thankful of is two days before he's actually
we had a phone call for fucking an hour and
a half and we didn't talk. It wasn't common for
us to not talk about it because we want to help.
It's not to talk about the negative ship, but it's look,
you know, what's going on, what's the latest. We had

(44:38):
a chat a couple of days before and there was
nothing even mentioned about bikes. It was just talking about
normal ship. That's again that's something to hold on too,
that we had a good chat rather than talking about
the fucking people, the stress he was under, all the
people that are let him down, but pitch all this
stuff going on in the background, but then someone still
turned up to an event and do what he does,
or someone taking time after riding to go and see

(44:59):
a young kid, and there's there's countless parents that have
come out and said what he the effort he made
was this and taking it in the park to keep
it fooding or this or that. To be able to
do that, have all that shit going on in your
head and then be tough and mentally tough enough to
still turn up and still put your foot forward. That
to me is what a fucking legend is, not the trophies.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I'm not going to go into too much detail because
I don't think it's it's right, but I will say
to this, I'm going to let both of yous. I
think what you've just said then is massive anyway, But
for you bet it's a hard subject to go into
even to talk about after it, you know, because it's
a no brainer. What is all going through after you
know what I mean. So I'm not going to ask
you that, but I will let you say in your

(45:45):
own words anything that you both want to about him
that you want to get out there, because I think
me saying oh, what was it like? What were you
going through after? It's you know what I mean? That's
to me, that's a silly question. Yeah, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I think everything you're saying, Ryan is it's hard. It's
hard to describe. People don't know these things, and it's
hard to describe it because of how much that his
hard work ethic was the biggest thing that we try
to get across, because I think a lot of people
think things were given to him, and on Instagram it
looked like, you know, lived this amazing life and got

(46:19):
all these opportunities. But he was so humble, so so humble,
to the point that I don't even think he knew
if he had somewhat made it. He was so kind
and gentle. He was very tough, like militant, tough, very
strong minded, strong world, but people don't know the side
of him that he was so soft and caring. He
would do anything for anyone. Loyalty was massive, to him

(46:41):
so loyal. Yeah, he was just amazing. He was funny,
He's always good to be around, and he yeah, had
all these things going on that we got to you know,
me watching what he went through and how he would
push Like that's impacted me on my life and how
I want to live because of how tough he was.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
He was the.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Best out of all his little habits. What's the most
you miss about that money?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
He was so funny and he just would come out
with these random little sayings and he was just I
could never meet anybody like him because he was so
witty and funny. And I think that was one big
thing that we bonded over at the start is we
had the same sense of humor. And so a lot
of the time when I'm out, when I'm around people,
I can hear like someone will say something, and in

(47:27):
my head, I hear exactly what he would say back
to it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And that's the biggest thing I missed.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
His funny little things. He's funny.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
What are you rome?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I think I touched on some of it just before,
But take the motorbikes society. He's loyalty. Family is everything.
The loyalty showed to his friends, and his family was
fucking incredible. You know, you got nieces and nephews and
that overpowers fucking everything. And I said, I read out

(47:56):
at the funeral or something. Look, we all know about
the bikes, and that was his goals. But he had
another fucking goal and that's the one thing I guess
he didn't get to do. But that was to have
have kids of his own, and you be able to
provide and have kids of his own, and that that
was that was really what he was. That was about,
that's I'm a construction worker. That was how he thought

(48:19):
he could push the limits and provide to them and
have the family. You know. So I mean you look
at that, you look at the bloke, you know, you
could you could look at people of that and stereotop
of you. He was fucking at a gentle giant, but
he's also tough.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
What would you describe him in one word? Two words
for one word?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I just think he's a legend. Like people throw the
word legend around, you know, it's someone who's good at
sport or someone who's good at this legend is someone
that affected and had impact on so many people like
he did. And you know what he probably didn't know
that as best, and he didn't know that that that
thing that someone wrote on Instagram about not knowing he
made it that that is true. And there's people all

(49:02):
around the fing world, and like you say, it's a
shame that something this happens for people to come out
and some people that have written things, I know deep
down inside it's a beautiful thing they've written, but they
didn't fucking act like that. You know they didn't. He
didn't know. So in terms of my life now, if
someone said to me, how would this affect you? If

(49:22):
they imagine losing your brother, how could you put into words,
I'd be on the fucking ground. I wouldn't be functioning.
But as Beth said, the way that our family and
Beth and people are able to fucking drop use this
as fucking motivation is incredible, like how my mom and
my dad, my sister, how and Beth Beth is fucking incredible,

(49:45):
like the strength that everyone's got. And my life is
different now because you know, you don't have an option
to not react and keep it going. We've got I've
got a little daughter, i let a family. Now you
just have to put your best foot forward and that's
what he did. You don't give up, you can't.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
You know, how would you keep his legacy going?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Talk about him?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Talk about him?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I mean, keep saying his name.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I was nervous coming in today.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
We're being fucking down, I.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Can tell you, and nervous when you walked in.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
But I talked to people at work who don't know
anything about my brother. Yeah, but it'll come up because
I don't. You don't want to be someone who you
know it always is talking about the down stuff or whatever.
But it's it's it's in a positive way. It's we
did this, we did that. So I think talking about him,
you know, and the impact he's already had on older people,

(50:31):
younger people, kiss that there is is his legacy, you know.
I think that's a special part.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Well. I hope this interview, like about your brother, and
I like that has helped, and I hope I can
get it out there, you know, about him, and keep
that legacy going. I hope we've done everything that you wanted.
If there isn't to me now, will keep talking on.
I don't care about I.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Just want to say beth on myself coming on here
to talk about jo. This is not your usual thing,
but thanks for having us on it. Okay, that means
so much to us to come on here. But I
think the message is, like we've talked about, some eighs
and some lows, and it's not to make people feel
sorry for him. It's just to show that if you
fucking support someone and if someone's got the right mindset

(51:15):
to never give up, you can achieve it. Say to
sit here and say, oh, well, maybe I wish we
got into golf and you'd still be here. He had
these goals and that was his drive and motivation and
as hard as it is to say, he fucking lived
what he was here to do. He lived that life
and he got to do it in a short time.
So I think the main message is fucking don't give
up and don't give up on people.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, that was his story. He used to everything that
went wrong. He would say, one day I'm going to
write a book or one day I'll have a documentary,
and this is just going to make it so much
better because people will see I never had anything handed
to me. So thanks for coming, thank you, thank you
for having us