Dr. Robb Kelly: The Truth About Addiction They Don’t Want Veterans to Hear

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In this powerful episode of the Security Halt! podcast, Dr. Rob Kelly—renowned addiction specialist and recovery coach—delivers raw, no-nonsense truths about the hidden roots of addiction and the journey to healing. A survivor of homelessness and alcoholism himself, Dr. Kelly shares how trauma, unprocessed pain, and mental health struggles often fuel addiction—especially among veterans and those in high-pressure environments like the military.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'd like to make sure we have enough time to cover
everything, but yeah, we'llexplore a lot today.
Yes, you will.
Dr Rob Kelly, welcome toSecurity Out Podcast.
Great to be here, guys.
Yeah, we started talking alittle bit.
I almost committed the cardinalsin of starting to engage and
talk without hitting that recordbutton.

(00:27):
You know, addiction, now morethan ever, is something that our
veteran community is strugglingwith.
Our active duty community isalso struggling with it, and my
brotherhood and everybody that Iam around with has either been
touched and has dealt with it orhas identified that they might

(00:48):
have a trouble with it, and itcan come in the form of many
things.
These things, for one, canbecome very addictive.
But today, sir, I want to diveinto this and let you guide us
through this journey, not onlyhow you got into this field, but
what are some of the thingsthat you see, how we can
identify it within ourselves,because when we know the enemy,

(01:10):
we're more prone to make theright decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A hundred percent.
I love that.
Yeah, so the thing aboutaddiction and alcoholism is it
creeps up on you really quickbefore you know.
You know, I didn't realize Ihad a problem until I'd lost
everything.
I was on the streets for 14months, oh man, oh my God.
You know, I started crying onemorning.
I can't stop drinking, oh myGod.
So, yeah, I mean just thenormal rules are and we're going

(01:36):
to freak people out today.
By the way, danny, is alcohol,porn and drug addiction made Now
when I say that, guys, I haveover 30 years experience with
over 11,000 patients andmillions of people with my TV,
books and stuff, over $1.6million in research Everything I
say today has been researched.

(01:57):
I'm going to tell you stufftoday that's going to blow your
mind.
We're the leading authority.
We have five offices around theworld.
I lecture at Harvard, oxford,mclean Hospital, all that stuff.
So I deal with a lot of A-listcelebrities daily with these
guys, because we don't take anyshit off them.
That's why they love us so much.
I think so it's being aware.

(02:18):
So here's the number one thingIs there addiction or alcoholism
in the family?
That's the number one,especially with alcoholics being
born this way.
If there is, then obviouslyyou're on amber alert.
You know you got to be careful,you got to tread carefully and
stuff like that.
But any behavior that changesdrastically and stays in that
cycle of self-sabotagingdestruction is the biggest

(02:40):
warning sign ever.
Nobody's going to come and tellyou this is what's going on,
rob, because when I wassuffering, nobody knew what I
was going through.
They just thought you knowalcohol.
If you can just stop drinkingalcohol, everything will be good
.
I'm taking drugs.
Well, we found out that alcoholhas 1% to do with alcoholism and
the same thing with every otheraddiction.
That's not the problem.

(03:00):
The problem is is the way mymind and my brain.
So alcoholics have threedifferent parts of the brain
that are different to any otheraddiction, hence swaddle and the
other guys, drug addiction ofaddictive personality.
Both show the same.
So the biggest reason, uh, thebiggest uh knowledge that we
gain is when we studied thehypothalamus in the brain.

(03:21):
So the hypothalamus, from birthtells human beings to drink
water, eat food to survive.
That's it.
It's the most basic instinct wehave to be alive.
During the alcoholic's careerthat's what mine was the
hypothalamus turns around andhijacks the brain and tells the
alcoholic to drink alcohol tostay alive.
Now, when the survival part ofthe brain is telling you that,

(03:44):
then you do that.
That's why wives, girlfriendkids are all gone.
They're in the background.
I have to drink alcohol.
When you're drinking one bottle, you're worrying where the next
bottle's coming from.
So it's stuff like that thatyou know if you come from a
drinking family.
You've got to be aware, man,you've got to be aware of your
own body, especially today, 2025, everyone's taking better care

(04:05):
of themselves, and now we knowabout neuroscience is the game
changer, and quantum physicsbacks this up with our research.
So, yeah, that would be theanswer, I think yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
it's one thing to hear about addiction, it's
another to live it and see itunfold.
I had a front seat to seeingsomebody that was.
We tend to think thatalcoholics can't be high
performers, and I will tell youthat is not the truth.
I have seen some of ournation's greatest war fighters

(04:43):
actively deal with thisaddiction and hide it, and I
always thought well, I mean, ifthey're drinking, if they have
this compulsive drive to drink,surely they're going to fall
apart when they don't haveaccess to it.
And I've seen guys have to godry and I've also seen guys move
hell and high water to getalcohol when they needed it.

(05:06):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
There you go.
Yeah, that's the one you know.
We're driven for this.
Most successful people haveaddictive personalities.
So the drug addict thing Mostpeople that have been really,
really good with their livesprobably have alcoholic
tendencies.
They're the best people in theworld.
All my guys are ex-recoveredalcoholics or drug addicts.

(05:29):
But yeah, I was running amillion-dollar business back in
the 1980s when I was at myheight of drinking, you know,
with very high achievers.
And once we get over that shit,once we get over the childhood
traumas attached to that andthings are going today, not only
does our DNA change, but we arecapable of doing anything in
the world, and I mean anythingthat you want to be.

(05:51):
It's 100% possible.
We do it every day.
Here we have a 98% success rate.
Wow, yeah, because human beingsdon't know there's children
with trauma.
People oh you can't do that, rob, you can't write a book, rob,
you can't do it Says who man,who's saying this shit?
Because I don't like it.
So I mean, let's forget yourpolitical views for a second.
Guys, I'm not into politics.

(06:13):
I don't give a shit who's in.
When people say you can't dostuff, one of the biggest
answers that Americans, when Ifirst come here, used to tell me
is well, I can't be presidentof the United States, let's
forget your political views fora second.
We had a freaking business andwe're in the country with no
political experience whatsoever.
How dare you tell me you can'tachieve your dreams?

(06:34):
It's just not true.
Somebody's got that there.
Yeah, yeah absolutely.
We build empires with people.
People come in here.
They want to spend in life, inbusiness, in all kinds of stuff,
and we reprogram and we resetbrains and you know we have this
9D software, which is thedimensional, subliminal message.

(06:54):
It's amazing what we do here.
And, by the way, if you're inthe local San Antonio area, we
do not charge for veterans,really.
No, I am now American.
Okay, I've got to say this.
I've been American for aboutfour years and I took that day
very seriously.
I went in a suit, I had anAmerican bow tie and I was so

(07:15):
privileged to do that.
However, during my years 20years of being in America, I'm
disgusted how people and thegovernment treat veterans.
So from day one I said noveteran is going to be paying
here.
Now we had 10 veterans at onetime and no patients.
That went on for a year.
I had to.
They foreclosed on my apartmentand that's okay.

(07:36):
But yeah, no, I give all mylife to whatever they need.
You got it from me For anyveteran that served our country.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You deserve, deserve better guys.
And I got a foundation, we gotto plug you into a proud
sponsored uh, proudly sponsoredby the special forces foundation
and, like I said earlier, we,we don't know who's going to be
dealing with addiction.
This idea that high performerscan't be uh, can't deal with
this problem, can't be a victimof this is absurd.

(08:06):
I've seen it in everydemographic, from the most
successful CEOs to the lowestprivate in the formation.
This can be part of anybody'slife.
We can fall victim to it.
It doesn't have to just begenetic.
I know I sought comfort throughalcohol and the single greatest
thing I ever did was when I wasat my worst and I started
leaning on it.
That's when I knew I had didwas when I was at my worst and I
started leaning on it.

(08:26):
That's when I knew I had aproblem.
I may not have stopped, but Iknew that there was a problem
and I am glad, I am fortunate,that I was able to walk away.
I haven't drank since I made mydecision to walk away from it
and I have been there for a lotof my friends as they have
struggled and I thought it wasas simple as doing interventions

(08:47):
to offer to peer to peersupport, but that's not enough.
I've lost three friends now,all alcohol related, and those
three were all alcohol relatedand the thing that really
baffles my mind is the one gotto the point where he could hide

(09:08):
it again and he was saying allthis and he was volunteer.
He was, he was coming on to ourpeer to peer support online and
he was putting on the mask andhiding it really well till he
got another DUI.
Let's talk about how you wereable to identify how to, how to
treat it, how to be successfulin this fight, because

(09:28):
everything that we threw at itthe interventions, the going to
the treatment center at the vait didn't work no, it's the
understanding.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Once you understand it's not to do with the
substance, the alcohol, drugs.
That's a deep-rooted uhobsession with drug addicts and
and uh way of life with withalcoholics.
It's like I I truly believe,with all the experience I have,
that if you haven't been throughalcoholism then you cannot
treat an alcoholic because wethink different.
I'm drug addict, same withdrugs.

(10:00):
We think different, uh, and ourthinking is insane when it
comes to stuff like like most ofyou guys are insane anyway.
We did some sas back back homeseven months uh, studying on
that uh.
So, yeah, the destruction isthat we never feel good enough.
Uh, we especially with likespecial forces because they're

(10:21):
hit away of I know the sas ishit away, nobody, I see them,
you know they can't telleverybody who they are and they
lose their identity.
And once a human being losestheir identity and you cover
their face, you know insanitycreeps in.
So we need enough knowledge,like we have enough knowledge
here, to cure addicts andretrieve alcoholism, because the

(10:46):
more knowledge you know, thebetter it is.
So we get people all the timecoming and most of them are, are
heavy drinkers or abused,abused alcohol drinkers, which
are great because they're easyin the reason to cure alcoholism
itself is a lot more in depth.
If it's not by the alcohol,what's it about?
Kind of thing.
So we can do the interventionsyou know we can do.

(11:07):
But when somebody sits down infront of you and and talks like
you and explains exactly whatyou're going through because
I've been through it myself theniche of no, no, no, closes
really quick.
So, maybe, maybe, maybe.
So my, my, what people call mytravesty, my devastation days
and stuff from the past losingtheir children, homelessness

(11:30):
that is today my greatest asset,because these degrees don't
mean nothing, absolutely nothing.
When I'm sat in frontsomebody's suffering from this
shit, that's got ptsd, that'sready to kill himself and you
know all this horrible stuff, Ican't sit in front of me like a
therapist and go okay, so howare you feeling today?
You know you've got to tellthem how they're feeling.
You've got to grab theirattention.

(11:51):
You've got to use all the toolsthat we have to pull them back
in reality and we've proven timeand time and time and time and
time again that it's the wayforward.
Like, old therapy doesn't work.
Talk therapy, uh, withalcoholics and addicts and ptsd
and depressed it doesn't work it.
There's much deeper rooted thatwe have to bring an idea, we

(12:11):
have to bring brain spotting out, we have to deep
psychologically be plantingsubliminal messaging all the
time so that we reprogram thatself-sabotaging brain.
Because, like I said in yourgame, if you've got to be and I
say this with a smile half crazyanyway, so can you imagine
being elite like you?
Of course you can, but I'm justtalking to the guys, but hold

(12:33):
listening being elite and thencoming away.
So it's like going on stagewith some of the guys I work
with.
They come off stage and thedeflation is heartbreaking and
it's it's a real pain.
So all of a sudden you're theheroes of the world.
The next you're nothing.
You sat on the streets andnobody gives a shit about you.
Can you imagine the devastationof the isolation and the

(12:55):
abandonment?
We did some work on death row,never in hunt over here, where
they still put people to deathand and we we spoke to most of
them and the guys that wouldturn up on the day to get the
needle or the chair was insaneand the reason that was insane?
Because of the isolation andthe identity was taken away.
So they were a number stuck ina cell on their own for 23 hours

(13:17):
a day, and that's where you goinsane.
If you don't know that, youcan't treat that.
If you don't know the workingsof a mind that you're treating,
then you can't treat that.
You know we get it all the time.
Yeah, I've been to school forlike 10 years.
I studied alcoholism.
Did you stop?
No, no, no, I know everything.
You can't help me, man, youdon't know.
I wanted a therapist here so Icould go every month and talk

(13:39):
crap to to.
So we interviewed three.
The first one I went into niceguy diplomas, all this stuff.
I said are you an alcoholic?
He said no, but I've studied.
I said you can't help me.
And he studied.
I went no, no, please give me achance.
I said okay, here's thescenario.
You have a bottle of vodkabehind your back.
I want to drink.
What do you think I'm going todo if you keep saying no, well,

(14:02):
you're going to argue with me.
No, I'm going to take a knifeout and stab you.
Then I'm going to get my bottleand go oh my God Did the same
with the second one.
Third one was an old lady,probably 70s hippie.
She had all the hair, you know,and I walked in and I said the
same story.
You know what she said to me?
I'll stab you first.
That's my goal.

(14:22):
That's my goal Because thementality of the PTSD, the
alcoholism, which is all kind ofthe same in subconscious brain
is thought plans don't add up toany other person.
Are you crazy?
Well, yeah, we are.
You can't take a normal personfrom the street, from a
nine-to-five job that wears asuit and sticking with you one

(14:44):
day.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You can't do it In psychology.
They talk about on the streetfrom a nine to five job that
wears a suit and sticking withyou one day.
Yeah, you can't do it Inpsychology.
They talk about culturalcompetency a lot.
They talk about makingpsychologists culturally
sensitive and culturallycompetent and there's a lot of
focus on new generationindividuals.
I call them the purple hairgallery and, yes, absolutely,

(15:05):
you got to know that people arecoming into your clinic.
But if you don't understandwhat it's like and truly from a
lived experience position,because now I know as, although
all of us were well-meaning indoing that first step of
intervention and doing thatfirst step of saying and
identifying that you have aproblem, we were all ill

(15:27):
equipped to fight that battle,for for several reasons, but
primarily because, a they haveto want and understand they need
help and B they have to begiven a resource, a provider,
somebody that knows the fightthat they're in.

(15:48):
I didn't know and a lot ofpeople don't know this.
When somebody's a true 100%alcoholic, the process of
detoxing is dangerous.
You will literally die nothaving that substance.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You can't actually die from coming off drugs.
It sure feels like it, but withalcohol, yes.
So I carry a bottle of vodka tothis day in the back of my car
in case I get called out,because if you turn about the
house while he's drinking, younever not have alcohol in.
Until you get into detox youalways have to be topping up the
alcohol so it doesn't go intodelirium, tremors or heart shock

(16:28):
or something.
Yeah, it's so true.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
So true, and it's the one thing that always bothers
me now is how deeply embeddedit's in the culture.
How do we fight?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
that I don't think you can Listen.
When COVID was here, when, whenthe liquor store is listed as
essential business to be open, Ithink we have a problem.
America, my therapist weren'tworking, the doctors weren't
working.
But hey, let's make sure theliquor store stays open now you

(17:04):
talk about your own journey.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Let's let's dive into that.
Yeah, let's dive in when youwere going through this fight
Because, like you said earlier,this is something that gives you
an edge in the fight.
They talk about, no the enemy,it'd be, it's just like us Like,
where, when we hit the groundrunning, you want special
operations on the ground becausethey know the fight, they know
the enemy, and that's why, drRob, we want you in this fight,

(17:30):
but tell us how you got to knowthis enemy intimately.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, when I would come home, I was angry on the
streets because nobody couldtell me what's wrong with me.
An alcoholic goes to an A in me.
Okay, it started at the age ofnine.
I was born into an alcoholicfamily.
Mom was alcoholic, sisters allthat, her sisters uh.
I took a drink at the age ofnine on stage with my musical
family.
I was playing bass guitar atthe time and I didn't know then,

(17:55):
but I know now.
That sets off the time, thetime clock.
Now, if you were to stop alongthat way brilliant, most people
don't know, they carry on to thebitter end is where I was.
So you know, as time went on, Iwould be drinking saturday and
sunday when the band was playing, and then it was friday,
saturday, sunday and you go forcollege and you do all the stuff
and then all of a sudden youfind you're drinking every day.

(18:16):
But you're very successful.
So I'm running this bigbusiness that gives us houses on
the hills and new cars, thebest kids for the children's
clothes, and you know, you'resat there going.
Oh, my God, this is brilliant.
And somebody's telling youyou're drinking too much and the
answer is you can't even lookwhat I'm providing I'm earning
$250,000 a year in the 80s.

(18:37):
You know you can't even look.
I provide it.
That was the cover-up for me.
Without me knowing so, mywealth masked my alcoholism
devastation.
The next thing, you know you'reharming the loved ones.
You know you're leaving kids incinemas ages one and three and
forget where the cinema was.
When you went back to get them,the police were there.
You know, driving from londonto manchester who had two little

(18:58):
babies in the back freakingseat, drinking an open bottle of
vodka, doing about 150 down thefreeway, these were normal
things for me.
I don't know what people weretalking about.
You know, and you get into thisfalse reality of world that
nobody knows and you're hidingit really well.
The.
The good news is everybodyknows.
The bad news is you don't know.

(19:19):
So the definition of insanityin this company is me not being
able to see my own truth,because that's where the
insanity starts if you don'tknow.
So I'm drinking.
Drinking college fantasticstarts a business in the telecom
industry.
We used to put towers up forthe Navy, the Army, the Air
Force, and then we went intotelecoms, obviously, and it came

(19:40):
around.
But yeah, soon enough I gotmarried, thought that would cure
the drinking.
Now I had my first baby.
Oh so this is this Denny.
He has a first baby.
I bring his Bible to thehusband.
Baby was born mom's hands intomy arms.
Little girl passed it back tomom, got the Bible out, put it
on the bed and the doctor wasthere, said can I have you as a
witness?

(20:00):
And I swore to my wife rightthere and then I'd never drink
alcohol ever again.
Now my father, everybody washappy.
It was the worst four hours ofmy life Because four hours later
I was in a bar drinking and mywife was crying with this little
baby, which is actually oursecond baby.
Now.
When the youngest was born, Itook two Bibles to the church

(20:25):
and I got two doctors and my twolittle girls and I placed my
hand on both bibles and it saidit's because my witness now will
never took the alcohol again.
I lasted about two days and Idrank again.
So the devastation of that andthe ptsd that my wife went
through.
So after the stabbing I fled tospain because there was an
attempted murder charge out onme Three, four, five months in

(20:46):
Spain.
All charges were dropped.
I came home.
I got home to their house.
They knew what time I was goingto be there.
They paid for the plane.
They cut all my cars, coffeeand everything, all my credit
cards.
I got home.
When I got home my wife wasthere with the children and she
left and she took my littlebabies with her.
I had one, three, two and four,I can't remember.
So I got into my attorney.

(21:07):
I said make sure you get mykids back tomorrow.
Get into court tomorrow, getthem wherever you need to be.
And he did.
The next morning he shows up.
Now.
I gave him a big check.
I walked him into the livingroom.
The wife was calling on thehouse phone.
Every minute you can, everyminute, you can't do this, you
can't do this.
Sat in front of the tv, Iwalked into the kitchen.

(21:27):
Now, three days sober here,denny.
Okay, this is it.
I'm gonna be that father.
I'd look at me.
You can't do this to me.
That you know this is you don'tknow who I am, kind of thing.
I walked into the kitchen andthe thought passed through my
brain that wouldn't be great tohave one beer to celebrate
getting the kids back.
Two days later, when the policekicked the door down, the place
was strewn in empty vodkabottles.

(21:48):
The children had been fed orchanged diapers for two days.
I needed to kill them kids.
The police woke me up.
They served me with unfitfather papers and they took my
little babies away.
She was their mother-in-law,child services, child protection
, which is a different thing.
The police were there and I wasstood at the doorway and I felt

(22:10):
the worst person in the worldand my daughter was holding onto
mummy's hand down the pathway.
She said Daddy Daddy, pleasedon't go.
And as she got down the path,she turned around and said Daddy
, daddy, please get better.
As they got to the big irongate, mum opened the gate and

(22:33):
she turned around one more timeand she said daddy, daddy,
please stop wrecking.
I couldn't do it, benny.
I couldn't do it for her.
I couldn't do it for anybody.
One or two months, I don't knowI was in a blackout.
Most of the time I'd gone to mymum she'd throw me out.
Gone to her friends they'dthrow me out.
Gone to the time I'd go to mymum she'd throw me out.

(22:54):
Go to her friends they'd throwme out.
Go to her acquaintances they'dthrow me out.
And I was on the streets.
And that's how quickly ithappened and I cried.
Every birthday, every Christmas, every day.
I went to an attorney and mydad said if you're any kind of
man that I've raised, you'llsign everything over for your
kids.
And that's what I did.
I walked out of that attorney'soffice with about 20 pounds in

(23:16):
my pocket, straight back on thestreets and I swear it kind of
got worse.
For me that wasn't the worstever, but yeah, it was pretty
bad and I stayed there for 14months.
Now, the crazy part and youmight identify with this, denny
being in that situation I was afighter growing up martial arts
boxing.
I was a bodybuilder, so I wasbig and strong.

(23:38):
After about a month or so Iquite liked it on the streets.
I had no responsibilities.
I could hurt people real quick.
You know I was six foot tallprobably I don't know 230, 240
back then and I used to hurtpeople, knock people out coming
out of nightclothes, steal thewallet for alcohol all that bad
stuff.
Hurting people real bad man.
The thing is I was on thestreets, I had some friends with

(24:00):
me and the thing was, if Icould knock somebody out in one
punch, that was the thing to do.
And yeah, it was 14 months ofthat and then I got real
comfortable on the streets.
So yeah, that was kind of mylife.
You know, I wanted to die onthe street and two times I did.
They brought me back to lifeand I hated them EMT guys from

(24:24):
EMS, what they're calledambulance guys I hated them for
that.
I didn't want to live man and Icouldn't die.
I tried tying myself to thetrain track, jumping off
buildings and all sorts of crazystuff and it looks like I
couldn't kill myself.
It was insane.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
When the things finally turn around, when we
explore this journey, man, likeit's just you think and it's.
I mean, I've talked to so manypeople where when you think it's
rock bottom, it's one more, andthen when you think it's rock
bottom, it's one more, and thenwhen you think it's rock bottom,
it's just one more, andeventually it's like what was
the ultimate bottom for you thatjust made you say or somebody

(25:05):
or something intervened.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
It was a Sunday night , monday morning around two
o'clock, I'm coming out of ablackout.
So I'm in where the offices andfactories are.
There's not a human being, ahouse, an apartment, nothing
like that and I dropped down tomy hands and knees and I started
crying like a baby.
Now, I wasn't crying because mywife and kids had gone home on
Monday.
I wasn't crying because of that.
I was crying because the firsttime in my life I realized I

(25:30):
can't stop drinking.
It was pouring down.
I remember looking up to thesky as an atheist saying if
there's a God up there, I can'tdo this on my own anymore.
The next 30 seconds, denny, Iwon't tell a story for 15 years.
A guy walked around the corner.
His name was Derek, he'd beento a Bible study, he'd missed

(25:51):
his last bus home.
He'd walked for an hour.
He took a shortcut he's nevertaken before and it came across
me and he said do you need help?
I said, yeah, I'm dying.
I'm an alcoholic.
He was a recovering alcoholic.
He was a Christian guy.
I took him back to his house, Ifed, chained, showered for the
first time in a year and it wasbeautiful.
And he said Rob, you can stayhere for as long long as you
like, man, but you've got to goto these meetings with me.

(26:12):
I said, derrick, I hate thesemeetings.
Man, tip, rob, I can't bedrinking in the house, man.
So next day we went to one ofthese meetings and, sure enough,
same old bullshit in there.
You know, I'm an alcoholic andI'm sad.
I can't stand it and I drinkfour bottles of usual stuff and
all of a sudden this guy pipesup.
My name's john, I'm a recoveredalcoholic.
And I looking at Derek andgoing, what did he just say?

(26:35):
Derek said?
He said he's recovering.
I'm like pissed now becauseI've gone through all the stuff
and you can recover from thisbullshit.
So after the meeting I walkedover and said hey, john, my
name's Rob, will you sponsor me?
And he said no and my heart waslike but I will be your
spiritual advisor for 12 weeks.
Be your spiritual advisor for12 weeks, like what?
Every Wednesday, come to myhouse, bring this and bring this

(26:57):
and come to my house.
So I left Derek's at sixo'clock.
I walked there.
I got there for seven, couldn'tknock on the door until one
minute.
I used to get up there seven Icould knock on the door and at
one minute to eight what we'redoing.
He walked me out.
That's a really important thingto remember, guys.
Just for this 12 weeks, man, Iwas there every wednesday, did

(27:17):
the bit, went home wednesday.
I was getting better and betterand better.
He told me all sorts of cool.
You're gonna go to america, youknow, blah, blah, you're gonna
heal people and all this crazystuff.
And on the last night there hesaid to me uh, you're gonna
change the world well, and uh,things are gonna change from
tomorrow.
And John bless you, man, thankyou for everything you do.
But I'm in Derek's basement ona bloated mattress.

(27:38):
Nobody knows I'm there.
So my life can't change, youknow.
And he smiled and patted me onand off.
I went the next day I getthrough, I'm cleaning the house
because that's my job.
Now Derek comes home at 12o'clock lunchtime he said Rob,

(27:59):
the guy that switched thefactory floors just jacked it
all in.
Do you want a part-time job?
I said, oh my God, yes.
So I went back to work with him, turned into a full-time job
that week and then not thinkingof John at all.
Then we get our first paycheck,which was cash, stampled to an
envelope, back in the day and Igot the cash man.
I'm like, oh my God.
And I remember John said shit.
So I went to the gas station, Ibought me a little teddy bear
probably this big and a card andI wrote on the card thank you,

(28:19):
john, for introducing me to God.
Because he took the compulsivedrink away and I was back onto
his house.
Man, I couldn't wait to getthere.
I'm working with people thatwere getting well, you know, I
was working full time and got tohis apartment, went up and I
knocked on the door and therewas no answer.
And I looked at the curtains theneck curtains and it looked a
bit dirtier.
And the woman on the right handcame out and she said can I

(28:41):
help you?
I said yeah, where's John?
Is he like relocated orsomething?
Has he moved?
She said John who?
I said John, your neighbor.
She went oh, I've only beenhere three months.
I work nights, I've never seenhim.
Oh, no problems.
Went around to the left end,knocked on the door.
Big guy comes in the door.
What do you want?
So where's John moved to?
John who?
I said your neighbor, john,where's he moved to?

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He was here.
He went on to tell me that thatapartment was derelict, okay,
and he used to have tape acrossthe door and if I was to open
the door I'd drop down threeflights and probably kill myself
.
I think this guy's insane.
So I go back to the meetingwhere I'd met John three, four
months earlier and I went in thechair and went Rob, I'm like
thank God for that, yourecognize me.

(29:23):
I think I'm going crazy.
He said Rob, it's good to seeyou, man.
I said thank God for that.
Just, john, still come here.
And he said John, who?
And I said the guy that I wasdrinking coffee with, over near
the coffee machine.
He said God bless you, rob.
We thought you were praying,you were speaking to yourself.
We've never found that man, butit's one of the reasons why I
have a 98% success rate, becauseit's not this, it's my past and

(29:47):
what John taught me.
Now, when you have an awakeninglike that, you know you're
meant for better things.
And he'd tell me stuff that wasgoing to happen in the future
and it all come true.
It's all come true, danny, andI would never tell that story
for 15 years in case peoplethought it was insane, but when
I started to share it, theamount of people.
Oh my God, I had a similarthing.

(30:08):
It's like entrepreneurs, youknow, rich people, pope oh my
God, I had something like that.
I thought, wow, that's me anangel.
That's what most of my lifesince then has been based on.
Absolutely.
I was here.
God's given me this thing to do.
He's put me in charge of this.
You're going to do this.

(30:28):
There's a few times that theego's clipped in when you're
driving a new car or you fly meon private planes.
I was doing a TV show once.
I came off and you know, theyhad a chauffeur for me, kindly
enough to take me back to thehotel, to take me to the airport
.
And I come off the stage and Isaid to my wife where the hell's
my chauffeur?

(30:48):
Oh, she's a quiet girl, man, asouthern girl.
But she slapped me and said ifI ever hear you say that again,
this marriage is over.
So it's stuff like that keepsme grounded, you know.
But yeah, it's a.
It's a crazy journey so far andI'm loving it.
I'm still loving it every day,man.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, I want to .
I want to touch on somethingthat I think is is very
important in any journey,whether it's your mental health
journey, whether it's you'retrying something that seems
impossible, like going toselection and and achieving,
whether you know, becoming agreen beret, navy SEAL Ranger,
whatever.
It's the faith component.

(31:26):
And a lot of people have a hardtime accepting the program, the
12-step program, because ofthat faith component.
But it's powerful, it'sabsolutely needed.
When you are at your absoluteworst, when you're at the very
rock bottom, you have to explorefaith, you have to.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
In your journey.
How does faith show up to younow?
Oh, I don't go to church.
I do not read, not read thebible.
Don't believe in any crap.
I do.
I've got it's the same god inthe bible.
But it's my spiritual journey.
Man, I I've never seen a realalcoholic sober.
I haven't done it, usually alldead because they refuse to
believe.
There's 3 000 gods freaking.
Pick one.
You're living in the gutter.

(32:15):
I'm not believing in god.
Good for you, go die, go drink.
I'm not interested in you.
It's very, very importantbecause here's what happens,
guys.
The mind sits inside the brain,hence the better mind over
matter.
So this guy mind can program.
Okay, it's energy.
You can't see it.
Once we change in your pathwaysokay, work on the child of

(32:36):
trauma once we connect with aspiritual power outside you,
your dna changes.
Why is that important?
I'm not the same man as when Imet john.
My dna changed.
So the spiritual side of it is ahundred percent, if you don do
for me, and thousands andmillions of people that I've

(32:57):
been in front of all have thesame thing.
We have a spiritual path thatwe follow.
Do you go to it?
No, see, I'm a big believer.
For me that I don't have to goto a building at 10 am on a
Sunday.
So God can hear me.
He can hear me right now.
He's sat right here.
He guides me, protects me.
God can hear me.
He can hear me right now.
It's sat right here.
He guides me, protects me.

(33:22):
We used to go into houses backin Dallas and retrieve daughters
and sons in a crack addict den.
We hired special forces thatwere armed to go in, but I was
the first one in that door.
I never got harmed.
So God's going to protect andharm you wherever you go, as
long as you're stood in thesunlight of the Spirit.
As long as you're stood in thesunlight of the spirit, as long
as you go.
I always explain it like thisso if you're at home, texas,
choose the Cowboys.
You want Channel four.

(33:42):
You put on a Cowboys and thereyou're.
There You're in the screen,you're shouting at the ref, you
jump it.
It's like your brain knowsyou're there in the stadium.
Then your five-year-old songets so remote control and
starts flicking through all theother channels and now you're

(34:03):
aware there's 3,000 channels,channel four, that's all you've
got to be interested in untilyou achieve that goal and move
on and stay connected tostanding in the sunlight of the
spirit man and everythingbecomes possible.
Now, oh, my God, my life changedovernight.
Rob, my God, I got this offerfor my job.
It was already there.
It's probably happened athousand times to you, but you
were blind to it.
You know, you put these thingson what other people thought of

(34:25):
you.
Your weight does not define you.
Your teeth, your hair, it doesnot define you.
What defines you is now whatyou do today.
Now, my past became my greatestasset going forward.
So I don't sit down withsomebody and go, hey, you know
something?
I went to Oxford University forlike six years and then I start

(34:48):
.
I was going to do, hey, listen,buddy, I know exactly where you
are because I've done it.
Yeah, but, dr Rob, what do youknow?
You've never been?
Check, check, check, check,check, check.
You want to carry on this game.
Because he's prepared me foreverything coming my way and
I've stood there like a monument, a statue, and I never bowed
down before, no man, and I nevercrawl for anything because I've

(35:09):
got his power behind me.
And it's amazing how I see thatwhen people come, you know, and
you get your atheist there, youknow, and that's fine.
It's not my business what youbelieve or anything With my
journey, with the people aroundme and the patients I've treated
.
If it's not there, you're notgoing to make it.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, it's absolutely true.
It has to be part of thejourney and everybody has to
come to it, and that's adifficult part, though we can't
force somebody to come to thatrealization.
How do you approach that andhow has that and get them to
understand that they're holdingthe key to their own prison?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I love that.
Danny, I tell a story that wasa true story.
I'm coming back from England.
We get from the plane me and mybuddy we've done a visit to
England or something and it'sstormy, it's raining.

(36:12):
We almost canceled the flightbut off we went and we're
climbing through this rain andthe lightning and you know
everyone's like, oh, this is notgood, it's not good.
And we get to a height andwe're still it's.
You know there's a little bitof turbulence and then, for
whatever reason, the planedropped.
Now it probably dropped to getaway from the storm, but nobody
said anything.
The pilot didn't come up andeverybody grabbed the arm and

(36:34):
this was like my buddy lent overto me.
He said hey, rob, but there'snot many atheists on this plane
right now.
When it gets bad enough, you'llbelieve, and that's what we
don't.
If you've not been to treatmentbefore, go and use your
insurance contract treatmentfirst.
Or can I not come to you?
Yeah, we'd rather you not,because by the time you get here
, everyone's tried.

(36:54):
You're the worst of the worst,and now you're ready to believe
that this journey is part ofwhat we're going to do.
Man, whether you believe it ornot is, de minimis.
Right now there's 3 000 gods.
Pick one, I don't care what youdo.
It cannot be a switch, itcannot be a tree, it cannot be a
group.
You know it has to be somethingthat's powerful outside.
Does that and mine can connectwith?
And I want you going to churchand with the voice you get I

(37:16):
don't want you reading the bibleI read the bible they start to
look at you and go, wow, lookwhat you've accomplished in your
.
You have a spiritual journey.
So talking to them on thatlevel.
So when somebody comes in, theycall me the gordon ramsay of the
addiction world because I curselike crazy when.
And the reason why I do it isto shock the brain.

(37:36):
So if somebody comes, you knowI've told people to come up in a
room.
I do everything to make sure Igrab their attention.
And when you do, I think onebrain connects with another,
because you have centralized themirroring part of the brain and
you believe, because theybelieve, because I believe have
similar to the mirroring part ofthe brain and you believe,
because they believe, because Ibelieve, and all of a sudden

(37:58):
they start to see the miracles,uh, that happen when you follow
this path and, most of all, I'llhave to go around, go to church
, you know, wear a suit, what?
None of that, it's nobodyelse's business.
That your spiritual guy, nobodyelse's business.
They may ask when they see themiracles happening in your life,
because they will.
We've never let a guy or girl gonow that hasn't achieved the

(38:21):
dreams that we all discussedwhen they came on board, but
it's really important.
I mean, go test it.
Go try and be an atheist for aday or two or a week or a month
or whatever.
It works out for you, fantastic.
But when you're suffering, youcan't do this on your own
without that spiritual.
So again, it's the, it's beingable to speak on any level, like

(38:43):
.
I've worked with ceos andmulti-billion dollar banks.
I've worked with guys who sweepthe road.
I've worked with rock stars,movie stars, I've worked with
people off tv and it's all thesame.
Once you start talking thisaddiction, we're all the same.
It does not discriminate andthe way out is a, b and c.
So here's the deal, when theycome in.
This is what I'm going to do.
You're leaving a spiritualjourney.

(39:04):
You've got to do that, youagree?
Well, I'm not too sure.
Well, you can't come bye.
The pilot's coming.
Dr rob, I've got a spell, I'vegot a check.
You can write and no't do it.
There are three components thatI need to work with.
You've got to be ready, and Iknow if you're ready, I'll offer
you alcohol and drugs in myoffice one more time before I
tell mom and dad If you agree tothat, you go.

(39:25):
You can't come on board.
You've got to have thespiritual journey on board.
Things start to happen Everysingle day.
I'll start getting better andbetter and better.
I'm in the position now, denny,where I don't take any shit of
anybody, like you know some ofthe big guys.
Well, I've just paid you 100grand a month to come in.
I don't give a shit.
You think I care if you come onboard or not.
You think I give a shit aboutit?

(39:45):
I don't give a shit about that.
So either get back on yourfucking plane, go home, or
you're coming on board, becausemost people, when they get into
the addiction world, aresurrounded by yes, men, or
surrounded by people who youdon't exist.
You're a Mr Nobody.
People stepping over you in thestreets, like they did with me,
throwing diapers at you becauseyou're unconscious, you don't

(40:07):
know.
It's like enough of them days.
It's time to stand up now andif you want to believe in the
elf who replaced our teeth, theteeth fairy, I'm going to
believe.
Believe it, because it's goingto get me to the place you are
talking to me about.
I can see the stuff you've beenthrough and if this works for
you, then, god, it's got to workfor me.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And that's how we get through that deal.
Yeah, it's absolutely true.
We have to understand thatindividuals need to come to that
point where they're ready to go.
They're ready, and that's whatsucks too, though it does.
You can.
You can want it so bad forsomebody, but until they get to
their absolute rock bottom andthey have to understand it's

(40:51):
their rock bottom.
That's a part that sucks forfamily members, for friends.
But the one thing I tell peopleis they stop enabling, stop
taking your friends out to bars.
If you just even think yourfriend might have a drinking
problem, why are youincorporating a get-together

(41:11):
that involves drinking?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
That's when your true friends are around you.
If you've got more than two orthree people in your end circle,
you've probably got two orthree more than you should have.
You should have one really goodperson around you.
It's got you back 24 hours aday, a couple more if you've
grown up with them, like you andyour guys.
Um, but yeah, it's uh.
The understanding of whatpeople are going through is very
important.
So we have to say and show thisout there, show me friends, I,

(41:37):
you, your future.
If you have friends that aretaking you around the bars and
don't really care about yourdisease, you can probably
recover.
Don't remember that, guys.
Then he's not your guy man,he's not your guy.
You know.
If he's drinking every day yougo into the apartment or
drinking wine in the early days.
This is I mean I.
I pour my wife's wine sometimes.
It doesn't bother me.
The compulsion has been takenaway.

(41:58):
But in the early days they'renot your guys.
Find people who are just likeyou before you've been through
you know.
If they have a business going,hang around them.
If you want to start your ownbusiness, if they're on 80 grand
, you're on 20 grand, hangaround them, guys.
You know, the more people youhang around want to be, the more
you'll become.
Hang around, want to be them.

(42:25):
What you'll become?
Hang around nine depressedpeople, you will become the 10th
.
Oh, how do we know this?
Well, we did our own experiment.
As usual, they've got nineactors in the waiting room right
here, san antonio, and onepatient who we said come in,
we're going to give you a freesession on this 90s.
Amazing.
Uh, we got the nine actors in.
They were told to all techplaces don't know each other, as
if they were patients.
But when a buzzer sounds, youneed to stand up, count to five
and I'll sit down again.
That's all you've got to do,one by one.

(42:46):
We'll call you in and the womanwalks in.
The place was set.
Nine people stood up.
She's on her phone, she looksup quick.
She's back down again 45seconds.
Ah, they all stand up again.
So phone goes down and she'slooking around.
They all sit down again.
Ah, third buzzer, three minutes.

(43:06):
Third buzzer she stood up witheverybody else.
Didn't know why, because theywere doing it.
She was going to fit in.
Everyone wants to fit in andsat down.
So that was interesting, as wecall these actors in one by one
as if they were patients.
She was left on her own.
Call these actors in one by oneas if they were patients.
She was left on her own and shestood up.
So if you can imagine, if youhang around them people without
you knowing subconsciously,you're going to get their their

(43:27):
look at life.
You're going to do what they dowithout even knowing.
Even if you hang around withsomebody that has a stupid
saying that you can't stand,shut up, was one of my friends
like.
Why do you say that stupid twomonths later?
Shut, oh my god.
I've got to be careful becauseeverything's in patterns,
everything's in vibration,everything's in.
You've got to sit in thatpattern that you want to sit if

(43:49):
you want to sit at the table andhe won't let you build your own
table and have your guys aroundthat like guys you serve with
guys that don't matter what'sgoing've got you back 24 hours a
day.
It's them guys you need to hangaround.
So you need to pull away fromthe old people.
I can always go back toManchester and I can help people

(44:09):
that are suffering.
I just can't live there anymoreand that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's true environment.
We got to make sure we're inthe right environment, that that
allows us to thrive.
I don't put myself insituations where I know it's
going to be nothing but drinkingand and that that that bar
mentality, especially withindividuals that haven't gone
through their journey of healing.
Because for some reason, as men, we tend to think that the only

(44:39):
time we can express ouremotions is if we're drinking.
And I know for a vast majorityof guys whether it's a, a
funeral, uh, you know, an eventto honor a fallen member, like I
know for a fact.
The moment that everybody getstogether and the alcohol starts

(45:01):
pouring, anger, sadness, allthat stuff surfaces back up and
it makes it easier to drink morebecause then you can express
yourself.
So it's just, it's either goingto be guys fighting at each
other, yelling at each other andthen eventually sharing and
divulging the truth.
They missed a brotherhood, theymiss friends, they're so sad,

(45:21):
individuals are gone, so it'slike you remove yourself from
the environment.
I mean, go before it turns to 6pm drink fest, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Can you imagine, though, how much pain them guys
are in.
Oh yeah, alcohol to bring itout of them.
Now, most of it is stuck in thesubconscious mind.
They don't know about it, butthe pain you know.
We studied this as well withyou know.
Gangs of people going out anddrinking, and it'll become mushy
at the end of the night and Ilove you and all that.
They're things that men are notsupposed to share with another

(45:53):
man.
So we stuff all them thingsdown nine or ten times the
enmeshment from parents, likegrandfather never told dad that
he was all.
So many loved him, and stufflike that.
So we're not validated orapproved as a child, so we're
never going to sit.
You know, imagine me back at thedoor in between college.
I was huge.
I was huge Standing next to theother bodybuilders If I had to

(46:14):
go.
Hey, jim, can I speak to youabout?
You know, gina, can I speak toyou about?
You know, I've got a littlething going.
I was crying before in thehouse.
Can you imagine that?
Are you kidding me?
Shut up.
We don't talk about stuff likethat.
We grew up with a bunch ofpeople that were never supposed
to feel anything.
You know, a stiff upper lip.
They called it in England.
We never cried at anything.
It's just.
It's not good for us.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, and of course, now we know that that's not the
right way to go about things.
We finally understand theimportance of going through and
talking, getting things out, butit's still deeply rooted in
that American male culture ofyou just drink about it, I just
go have a drink, and so I.

(46:56):
Ultimately, I always urgepeople take some time for
yourself, sit down and trulyexplore.
When you had your first drink,what led you to have your first
drink, what keeps you drinking,what makes it socially
acceptable for you to sit down?
I knew that I had, and I don'treally deal with it anymore, but

(47:20):
social anxiety was a big reasonwhy I drank in excess.
When I was out with friends, Ididn't like to be around big
crowded areas.
I didn't want to be around,feel like people are staring at
me.
I drank a lot.
When I went out and I was withmy friends, I was usually the
first one to slam four or fivedrinks as fast as I could, so I

(47:43):
could feel at ease and I wasjust thinking oh, you know, I'm
just relaxing.
And then ultimately, throughthat exploration and then
exploring how I used it to dealwith my own issues, I realized
like no, this is highlyaddictive.
I was using it to try to copeand deal and tell myself I
needed to fall asleep.

(48:04):
None of these things areactually true.
All of it was deeply rooted inother issues that I had to go
talk to somebody and had to gethelp for.
And once I got over to thosethings, I realized I didn't
really have a place for alcoholin my life.
Because if I'm telling myselfthat I want to wake up, I want
to be better physically, I wantto perform better, I want to be

(48:25):
an athlete, I want to run, Iwant to do endurance events, how
does alcohol fit into all that?
How does alcohol fit in my life?
Well, easily, it doesn't.
It doesn't help me in any way.
It doesn't improve.
The old myth that we all grewup with was a little bit of red
wine is really good for you.
Now we know that myth has beenbusted.
There's no need for it.

(48:46):
There's no positive effect forit.
So if there's no positiveeffect for it, then I'm not
going to put it in my life and Ithink more people are starting
to do that.
But there's still such a bigfight and to keep it in our
lives and, like you said earlier, like COVID was a great
reminder.
Like all the things that theywere championing to stay open

(49:07):
weren't the best things for us.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And we looked at the stats around San Antonio and
alcohol consumption went up by19 percent, divorces went up by
3 percent and you can justrattle all this stuff up that
went on.
It's like alcohol is adepressant.
When you're going to drink itin excess, what makes you think
you're going to be happy?
Because you're really not.
And now we know today that anypoison we put into our body uh,

(49:32):
with the food that we eat andthe alcohol and stuff is just
killing us man.
It's eating you and killing youabsolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
You know, we think about the way that science has
advanced and the way that wetreat so many different things.
How have you advanced in yourprotocols in your treatment of
alcoholics?
Um, because there are so manynew things.
You.
You mentioned brain spottinglike what are some new tools
that you're bringing to thefight?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
the biggest one that we found is about six months ago
I came across this softwarecalled Nine Dimensional, so we
created our own company aroundit, the Breathboxstudio, the
website.
You put the headphones on, youput the mask, you lie down and
you chill out.
There's 52 programs checkingyou through breath, work and all
this stuff going on.

(50:18):
You've got a leading voice andthen you've got music as well
and stuff like that.
But what you don't hear is thenine subliminal messages that
you're getting every couple ofminutes.
So that sense is straight intothe subconscious, which then
becomes, comes into fruition andbecomes action and belief.
It's the biggest, biggest toolI've ever seen.

(50:39):
It kind of puts EMDR a millionmiles away.
It's like steroids.
I tell you, everybody's talking.
This is the action that peopleget.
What the was that?
We go right and they go.
Oh my God, I feel absolutelyamazing and we say, no, you

(51:00):
don't, you feel normal.
This is the way human beingsare supposed to feel, and we've
had about 500 people We've onlyhad it for about five months
through that, and fromhousewives to grandmas.
We've just started treatingAlzheimer's and dementia with
this tool.
It's all the same, oh my God.
So we brought that in.
We brought brain spotting,which is like a wand that you

(51:23):
use like a pointer and you knowit's eye fluttering and you can
pulse without the subconsciousmind.
We use that and subliminalmessaging and behavior.
So when somebody comes up to theoffice first time in first time
, then he's going to come in.
He's going to be anxious,probably dressed nice.
You know it's going to be hardto get into it.

(51:44):
We need to take him from oh mygod, this is my first
appointment to god.
These guys are like family.
He's awesome and we've got todo it in minutes.
So let's say he's a dallascowboys man.
He parks the car, even if toput cones out.
He parks the car in the placewe want him to park the car.
We may put cones out orwhatever.
He parks the car in the hedge.
There's a dallas cowboy uh cupor drink or whatever with the

(52:08):
label of dallas cowboys.
He doesn't see it butsubliminally he sees it.
Then he walks to our office.
He presses the buzzer so secure.
We open it.
The first girl he sees is anassistant that's got a Dallas
Cowboys T-shirt on her hand.
When he sits down in thewaiting room, dallas Cowboys are
playing on the TV.
When he gets into the office tosee me, all the things have

(52:32):
gone.
There's so many things we havein common.
Before he sits into my room, hesits down and I've got davis
cowboy scarf on it.
Now all that stuff has droppedaway, because familiarity is
what we're looking for.
So we bring six months of thetherapy right down to six
minutes, so now we can approachhim.
Now we can start putting stuffin his mind, because he's

(52:54):
relaxed and he's and he's, youknow, feels at home because of
all this stuff that we've done.
So there's a lot of that stuffgoing on behind the scenes that
you don't know.
And building people up is bigman.
I mean we don't complimentpeople anymore Like I have
officers in Dallas.
One day this guy comes in.
He's suicidal, the police havebrought him.

(53:15):
He comes in, he spends an hourwith me.
Now there's a new nurse thereand one that's been with us for
about four years.
He comes out, he's smiling,he's high-fiving the nurses and
off he goes.
The young nurse said oh my God,did you see what Dr Rob just did
?
And the other nurse said I knowright, he's absolutely amazing.
And the other nurse says I know, have you told him that?

(53:36):
Oh no, I mean, he already knows, nobody knows.
Now, that guy, nobody knows.
Stop thinking, we already know,we don't.
We need to be validated, and Idon't mean in a needy way.
We need to be validated, weneed to be approved, we need to
be.
You know, greg Gannaboy, that'samazing.
I do it all the time, at least100 times a day, because it

(53:57):
changes people right there, andthen we don't validate people.
Today, I will bless the toiletcleaner at the airport.
He's got his head down.
I'll go.
Hey, buddy, there's $20.
Why don't you buy a sandwich?
He's like what?
Oh my God, oh my, I've made hisday.
It doesn't cost a lot to makepeople's day and change

(54:18):
attitudes.
And if someone's listening, oh,that's just not true.
Next time you're in a built-uparea of people watch for
somebody with nice sneakerswalking towards you and I want
you to say two words nicesneakers, nice sneakers.
He's going to go.
Oh, thank you, man, Sit himdown and watch him walk away.
He's going to look down at hissneakers at least two or three
times.
You've changed his frickingworld right there.
And then, but guess what, whenhe goes on to the wife or

(54:39):
girlfriend because he's in agood mood now, she's in a good
mood, and the mother.
And you get it, man.
Everybody's changed with twofricking words, man.
Two words, that's all you gotto do.
You know, it's amazing how wecan change and save lives every
single day.
There's a story of a guy Ialways tell it when I'm doing my
seminars goes to the GoldenGate Bridge, throws himself off,

(55:01):
commits suicide.
The police pull him out of thewater.
They find identity.
They go back to his apartmentlooking for next of kin.
What they find on the tabletrue story is very interesting.
They find a note that says I'mgoing to walk to the Golden Gate
Bridge, throw myself off andcommit suicide, unless on the
way there somebody smiles at me,nods at me and it's an hour's

(55:24):
walk, says good morning to me.
In that case I'll stop right,then I'll turn around and I'll
try again tomorrow.
Question how many people haveyou walked past today?
Who's heading to the GoldenGate Bridge?
See, we just never know.
The depression, the PTSD, thed,the loneliness, the isolation,
the abandonment, when you couldjust say something that's going

(55:44):
to change their lives, man, andyou get.
You get paid back for that shit.
You really do.
I've seen it so many times whenpeople were and me.
You know it's just.
This is how we should be livinglife.
Get off your phones, guys.
Get off your phone, get outyourads, look at the real world.
You never know.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
You never know what somebody's fighting and going
through Exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I know something that's true is everybody goes
through something.
When I see somebody, I think,struggling, and we sat down or
sit down to a lesson, I ask themone question what are you going
through that nobody else knowsabout the stuff you're going
through that keeps you up atnight.
I don't know.
Hundreds of, hundreds ofthousands of people have said
that to.
Not one person has ever said ohnothing, I'm fine.

(56:28):
Never, Because when you hitthem right there, it's how are
you doing today?
Nobody asks me that how are youdoing today, Rob?
Wow, I have to stop and thinkabout that.
We can change lives.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Absolutely, and I can't thank you enough for being
here today, doc, it is soimportant to talk about this
subject.
I already want to bring youback on because I feel like we
have to have this talk withaddiction at least once or twice
a month because still to thisday, people have a hard time

(57:04):
accepting that this is a problemthat is actually co-occurring
and actually amplifying thesuicide rate.
We have built a culture ofdrinking amongst our military,
amongst our elite warriors, andpeople still want to say it's
not that bad, people are justgoing through anxiety and

(57:26):
depression.
Let me tell you, it is deeplyrooted in suicide.
If you could do one thing today,if you could just do one thing,
list out all the reasons whyyou drink, and if it's
overwhelming positive for you,good, awesome.
But if it's not, walk away fromit.
I urge you walk away from itbecause it literally it may save

(57:50):
your life.
Because when I was dealing withmy mental health issues, the
number one thing I kept reachingfor was that bottle of fucking
Jameson.
And I'm telling you, maybe youdon't have an issue, but be
willing to be a sensor, bewilling to look at your friends
and if you identify at least oneof your friends that may be

(58:11):
drinking too much.
Have the courage, have thecourage to be there for them and
refer them to someone like DrRob Kelly.
Dr Rob Kelly, dr Rob, where canpeople reach you and where can
they go to find out moreinformation about your clinic?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
So if you're listening, guys, not watching, I
spend my time with two Bs, soit's R-O-B-B-K-E-L-L-Ycom.
Jump on there.
We're on all social medias.
Put Dr Rob Kelly in any searchengine up or pop social medias.
But dr rob kelly in any searchengine, up our pot.
Um, if you are looking, I don'trun this company.
It's called breathboxstudio, isthe website, especially
veterans.
Uh, if you're looking for 30minutes, you're going to change

(58:49):
your life.
I mean, literally change yourlife.
Uh, give us a call, man, justjump on the website, book
yourself a session.
First session is only 35dollars, I think.
If you've gone through, uh, thethink, if you've gone through
the stuff that you've gonethrough, denny, the guys that
are out there, I'm going tocharge you shit, man, I'm
telling you right now.
But, yeah, come and have fun.
There's a book out there.
Remember the thing I told youabout my last thing?

(59:11):
My daughter said to me Daddy,daddy, stop drinking.
So we'd finished the book aboutfour years ago.
We didn't have a title.
In the middle of the night, myeldest daughter texted me after
30 years.
I said hey, dad.
She called me, dad, danny.
I was like what am I up for?
She said I want to see you.
I've seen you on TV here, but Idon't believe what Mom told me

(59:32):
all these years.
So we have people around us, asyou can imagine.
So within four hours we're on aplane heading back.
We get there next morning.
We go around.
I'm so scared, danny, I'm soscared, all the bad shit coming.
I'm crying.
I'm scared, man.
I couldn't even knock on thedoor, but she opened it.
She must have been looking forus.
We fell into each other's arms.
We cried, we laughed.
I was just.
She took me by my hand, shewalked me into her living room.

(59:55):
She handed me mythree-month-old granddaughter
that girl is my lead therapistand I said to her living room
and she handed me mythree-month-old granddaughter
that girl is my lead therapistand I said to her we've wrote a
book.
And she said what about thelast thing?
I said to you, dad?
And I said I can't rememberwhat I said.
Daddy, please stop drinking.
Let's give 10 copies away.
So if you mention myself orDenny or the show, just come and
find me, come and message me orwhatever.

(01:00:15):
I'll sign it personally for you.
I'll pay for the shipping andeverything, on one condition
that you give this away tosomebody else when you're
finished with it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Absolutely.
And if you pause right now, goto episode description or just
look right here, hit me up,slide in the DMs.
If you'd like a copy, let'smake it happen.
We'll get.
Did you say 10?
We'll get 10 copies.
Let's give them away.
Once this episode airs, I willpromote this everywhere, because
you may not deal with alcoholaddiction, you may not be
dealing with it, but I'm tellingyou somebody close to you,

(01:00:44):
especially in the military,probably does, and I guarantee
you maybe my, uh, my challengeto question why you drink won't
touch you when you hear anemotional story like the one Rob
just shared.
Uh, it may, it may be the finalthing that will get somebody to
question how much they'redrinking.
I'm telling you there's nogreater fight to get involved in

(01:01:06):
Drugs, alcohol.
They're directly leading to oursuicide epidemic.
So please, please, join me andthe Special Forces Foundation.
Get in the fight, stay, help usend this suicide epidemic.
And I'm telling you guys, getinvolved.
Wherever you can, however, youcan get involved.
Reach out to your friends.
Get ahold of Dr Rob Kelly andlet him know that if you have a

(01:01:31):
friend that's in need, andfigure out how you can get them
there.
Again, dr Kelly, thank you somuch for being here and to
everybody listening.
Thank you for tuning in andwe'll see you all next time.
Until then, take care.