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In this powerful episode of Security Halt!, we sit down with Dr. Taylor Bosley, a Green Beret and physician, to discuss the critical role of hormone health in the lives of veterans. Drawing from his unique experience as a Special Forces 18 Delta and medical professional, Taylor breaks down the impact of testosterone on mental and physical health, the growing demand for hormone replacement therapy (HRT), and how telemedicine is transforming access to care for the military community. From his personal journey through the ranks of Special Forces to building Precision Wellness Group, Taylor shares how education, proper treatment, and community support can help veterans take control of their health, improve resilience, and restore quality of life. 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Taylor Bosley welcome toSecurepodcast.
How's it going, brother?
Doing well?
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely, man.
It is amazing to have arepresentative from our warrior
tribe leading the charge when itcomes to taking care of our
health, specifically our 18Deltas.

(00:21):
You guys are always the mostrock star of our MOSs in the
Green Beret world.
You guys come to the team andyou're immediately loved because
you can deploy without an 18,bravo.
You can deploy without an 18,charlie, but you can't do shit
without an 18 Delta, and youguys are legendary.
I mean to go through thattraining and then, on the
backside, a lot of our 18 Deltaschoose to become PAs.

(00:41):
They choose to continue being ahealer, a communicator and a
sort of a connective tissue fromour community into the medical
field, and what you're doingwith your precision wellness
medical practice is friggingawesome.
One thing that we don't talkabout enough is endocrinology.
Endo issues when we get out areone of the biggest problems

(01:04):
that we're starting to figure.
It affects all of us when we'recoming on the backside and a
lot of times we hyper focus onPTSD and that becomes like the
overall thing, and we don't tendto figure out what's going on
with our hormones, what's goingon with our bodies.
So today, man, I want to diveinto that world and figure out
how you're leading the charge tohelping our brothers in this

(01:25):
fight.
But before we dive into that,what led you to become a Green
Beret man?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So I think, like every young man's journey, you
know, you hit a point of wheream I going to go next?
What am I going to do?
You know, for me it was twoyears in college and I really
didn't have a purpose of what Iwanted to do.
Right now, this is 2005,.
You know, we're in Iraq andAfghanistan.
I'm in college trying to figureout what I want to do.

(01:51):
I had a loose idea of maybe Iwant to be a PA or something, I
don't know, but I wasn't a goodstudent.
I wasn't a good student as faras, like, I didn't have the
discipline to study.
I think a young man needs likea direction to go and something
to motivate him to go there.
So your brain isn't even formedyet at that point.
So I'm just, you know, enjoyingcollege, doing the thing.

(02:11):
And then I realized one daylike I have to do something with
my life.
I worked at this bar in collegeand I started out there like as
a bouncer and then became abartender.
You know, typical, like youngman stuffigans.
So I worked with a lot of guyswho had been g-wag guys, you
know, initial invasion to iraq.
Initial invasion to afghanistan.
You know, I had buddy who waslike a ranger, third ranger bat

(02:34):
that like jumped intoafghanistan, was like the 300
people in afghanistan with, withuh, tier one doing like there
are only 300 americans theredoing hits in the kabul, like
right after a month after 9-11.
You know so just amazing guys.
You know there was super coolstories.
I had a buddy who was a marine.
That was like initial evasionin iraq and like he was telling

(02:55):
me how they're riding in theirup armored vehicle.
People were like, you know,just shitting their pants, you
know, like literally likeshitting their pants, like
scared, crying.
You know, like just stories.
And these are the guys I workedwith all the time and I just
looked up to them.
Like I felt like soinsignificant compared to these
guys because they were just havedone such amazing things and
they're like still 20 years old,you know.

(03:16):
It's just so wild.
And so I really looked up tothose guys a lot and I had never
really thought about joiningthe military.
My dad was a Vietnam vet and hewas always like don't do it, you
know, don't go in there, youdon't want to experience what I
experienced and that kind ofthing.
So I was always like I neverconsidered it, but then I was
like I got to do something, likeI'm not a good student, I'm
never going to, you know, dothis on my own.

(03:37):
So I decided like you know what, screw it, I'm going to join,
but I want to do somethingmedical and I want to do
something like elite, you know.
And so I actually there wassome air force guy that I knew
and he was like you should be aPJ, bro.
And so I was like, okay, let mego talk to a recruiter.
So I go there and the guy'slike, um, he's like yeah,
there's only like 300 spots manin the whole net United States,

(03:59):
so you're going to have to likesix month wait.
I was like like, screw that.
So anyway, I got hooked up witha recruiter for for the army and
I was, uh, I was talking to himabout it and we he was like,
yeah, you could be a specialforces medic where you could
still be like a shooter andstill do medicine and do that.
I was like, okay, that soundslike a cool thing.
I had no idea what I wasgetting into.
You know, I don't think manypeople do, no, because I didn't

(04:21):
know any like green berets, youknow, I didn't know anybody like
doing that job.
So I was like, okay, so howlong is it going to take to uh
get me from civilian to greenberets?
Like oh no, it won't be thatlong, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now it's like three years you know, looking back,
they really sold it.
Now, man, it's like five, sixmonths it was like prime
recruiting time.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know it's like hook, line and sinker.
You know you'll see the world,all that stuff, stuff.
So you know, fell for it, gladI did.
But yeah, that's how I ended uphere.
Just long, long road, I'll tellyou.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, it absolutely is.
I've had some friends that were18 x-rays that went to the
Delta pipeline and there'snothing wrong being 18 x-ray,
it's for everybody.
If you have the calling, you gofor it.
You were prior.
You know prior militaryexperience.
You're in a conventional unitbefore you've got to frame a
reference for what it is to dosoldier tasks.

(05:11):
You know what to do and Iremember when I paired up we got
back.
You know you're going intoRobin Sage and you're getting
paired up with your 18 Deltasand this young kid was shit hot
on his medical stuff.
Just amazing.
But he literally forgot everybit of tactical know-how.
Like just fucking atrocious,just oh yeah I know it's hard to

(05:33):
be good at both.
Right, you gotta.
You gotta get on a team, getthose reps in, because my guy,
my guy was struggling.
It was one of those where it'sjust like j Jesus, man, we jump
into the exercise tomorrow.
Just be a good, right rifleman.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, I know it's hard man.
It's hard to do both I guess,but yeah, it's rough man.
Some guys just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, but it's a great thing about getting on the team.
You learn You're paired up witheverybody, and that's where you
.
You learn you're you're pairedup with everybody, and that's
that's where you, you trulylearn how to do your job.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, and it never ends.
Yeah, especially I had a reallygood senior medic who, like,
dialed me in.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know that was my saving grace so you get to be in
a green beret.
You do that for a while.
What did you fall in love with?
The idea of continuingeducation and really diving into
this field and specializing inthis and specifically in
hormones, and trying to like,really understand this problem
set yeah, um, I, you know, whenI got back, uh, from afghanistan

(06:35):
, I I was like, okay, what do Iwant to do?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I want to be.
I had, like I think, 40 collegecredits.
At that point I was like, am Igonna be a doc or a pa?
And I I, just after working bymyself in afghanistan just doing
pediatric mass casualties andall kinds of like people blown
in half, like just traumaticwild things um, I was like I'm
gonna go be a physician andluckily my wife was on board
with it.
But I got married three weeksbefore I left for afghanistan,

(06:58):
by the way.
Shit, yeah, standard, right.
So I was like just happy shewas there when I got back and my
bank account wasn't cleaned out, you know.
But no, she's awesome and she'sbeen through.
Uh, she actually says she'drather go through a deployment
than go through med school.
So that was, uh, she's like atleast I know you're gone and
like I can just do my own thing.
But when you're here you'remore of like a you know, you're

(07:20):
more of a problem.
So it's, the women are toughwith it.
But anyway, I, um, we wentthrough that.
So I got back from Afghanistan.
We're talking 11, 10 is like 10or 11 years of training.
After that, right Cause, I hadto finish my bachelor's degree,
um, and then you have to doextra classes for pre-med, and
then I did four years of medicalschool, three years of
residency, so it spit me out ofthat, um, and what is I?

(07:44):
I was 38 years old at thatpoint and 37.
And then we decided to to moveup to North Carolina, to
Southern Pines area, because myboth of my brother and
brother-in-law's are GreenBerets.
And so me just tell you thisman I don't know if there's any
more out there like this, butthis is a pretty wild thing so

(08:06):
both brother-in-laws, 10th groupguys, one 18, charlie, one 18,
delta and there's four girls inher family, right, so three of
us are already married to thedaughters.
There's four girls.
The last one, right now, theyoungest one, is dating a first
group guy and she's about to goout there.
He about to go out there, he's18, charlie, he just he's.

(08:27):
So four green berets married tofour, the only four daughters.
And there's there's six kids,um, and four girls.
So there's, they're all marriedto green berets.
I always tell everybody it'sdaddy issues, you know, that's
what made them, yeah how doesdad feel about this?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
he's like, is he?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
in counseling.
He's a mormon guy.
Yeah, he's just like I don't.
I don't think he has a choice.
He's a cool dude, though no welike him a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
He's less that man.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's good dude no, it's cool, but
anyway, I got sidetracked I gotsidetracked, but oh, this is
amazing, this is perfect dude.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Like family reunions have got to be awesome man you
don't even know it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, like the other side of the family wanted to
like challenge us in paintballor something.
One time I was like let's dothis man prepare to die.
So, uh, we, um, yeah.
So anyway, I get done.
I'm in working as a full-timeer doctor.
Like there was like thispartner.
I'm in this group up here inlike pinehurst area by fort
bragg.
We I'm going to like push,busting my ass trying to make

(09:21):
partner and do this, working aton of hours.
And I all of a sudden and and Iheard I knew about operator
syndrome, I knew about the headinjuries and I thought like I
could just power through it.
It's not going to be me, Idon't need that.
You know that's, that's not me.
But then all of a sudden, likeI had this crash of I needed.
I couldn't sleep, I couldn'twork out anymore because I felt

(09:42):
like I couldn't gain muscle, Icouldn't lose fat.
There was all this like I don'tknow.
I was irritable all the time,which was very unlike me, you
know, like naturally.
And my wife is like what's goingon with you?
There's something wrong.
I'm like I'm good, and when youare a doctor or you are a PA or
something.
I think you think it's nevergoing to happen to you because
you're used to seeing it so much.
And you're like I know thesigns, like I know the stuff,

(10:04):
like it's not me, yeah, I'm, I'ma tougher than that, like
that's not for me.
So I go to the va and like mytestosterone level.
You know, for example, my totalwas like 500 and the guy was
like look, you're good, bro.
Like the range is like 300 to1100.
Yeah, I'm like I don't feelgood man, like there's something
wrong so treat the patient, notthe fucking lab results.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I know.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I talk about that, dude, you should be my
spokesperson, cause I in myclinic I talk about that all the
time.
And then it's like so there wasthis like pellet provider in
town and he a bunch of mybuddies went there, a bunch of
military guys did, and so I justwent there and I was like these
are my problems.
Boom, boom, boom and did allthe like.
I think I had nine out of the10 symptoms on the checklist and
you know I was like I havenothing left to lose at this

(10:49):
point.
Like just I can't even do myjob.
I can't fake, you know.
So he went ahead and put themin there and put the pellets in.
It was like upper, outer buttcheek, you know, had a dimmer
switch and you just like turnthat dimmer switch on and it
started getting brighter andlike things got brighter.
My mood was better, like Ifinally sleep.

(11:10):
My workouts were awesome.
Like I felt like I did when Ijoined the army, you know, like
when you could just like stay upall night, you know, hang out
with the guys all night and thennever sleep, go do PT in the
morning, like carry on with yourday.
You know I just had all thisenergy, I could gain muscle
again, and this wasn't overnightLike I'm not saying like this
is, you know, a hundred percentguaranteed results.

(11:31):
But over that year, I think,cause I was, I was eating
healthier, I was trying to sleepmore, I was being more like
consistent and like intentionalabout being healthy, as I did
that I just started noticingbetter and better and better,
and I think it was that firstyear that just became my new
baseline and I was like this isawesome.
And my wife had got on hormonesat some point.
She had some bad postpartum andstuff with one of my kids and

(11:54):
so she got on hormones too andlike just testosterone, and I
think we put her on thyroid alittle bit.
But she started doing so muchbetter too and she was like man,
this is what we got to focus on, like this is really helping
people, especially like all wedo is hang out with SF guys.
You know like that's that's ourcommunity.
So like my, my daughter'ssoccer coach is, like you know,
sephardic instructor.
You do it's like it's cool,it's such a cool community, I

(12:18):
know.
So it's it's like, yeah, let'shelp these guys and because I
see them and some of them are ontestosterone.
Let's help them.
So we started doing that andthen we opened our.
We opened our doors a year anda half ago and started helping
veterans.
Um, sf guys you know mostmostly it's it's is military
guys, obviously, because thistown but we have a bunch of
civilians.
And then it was like I fixed the, the operator.

(12:40):
He started feeling better andthen it would, he would, his
wife would show up and be likehey, he's doing so much better,
like can you fix me too?
And I like, yeah, of course.
So fast forward a year and ahalf, we just hit 550 patients
and we're literally like 49%female right now.
So as a male only provider,like I was like I can't.

(13:01):
I'm so happy these women liketrust me, you know to to do
their stuff, because women womendon't want to talk to a man
about their stuff.
You know it's and I get it.
It's just like the SF guys cometo me and they're like they'll
come over from another practiceand they're like I ain't talking
to no woman nurse practitionerabout my stuff.
You know like, and I get it too.
I had a woman tell me she goes,she goes you.
It's like telling a mechanicabout your car troubles that

(13:26):
doesn't have a car Like you.
He can't relate, you know, andI was like I totally get it.
So to combat that I've hired afemale nurse practitioner.
Who's coming on, she has.
She just started last week.
She has eight years ofexperience doing functional
medicine, and all this she'smarried to an SF guy, fifth
group sergeant, major, you knowlike cool, super cool woman, um,
so she's coming to help me outso I can handle that side of it.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So pretty cool stuff yeah, it's important to
understand that the hormones andthe issues that we're
experiencing isn't justrelegated to the men like this.
This more than likely isaffecting your wife at home,
your spouse, your significantother, like when you have a kid.
That's a, that's a big toll.
Your hormone, your hormonallike balance, affects you like

(14:09):
throughout the you know theentire pregnancy and then
afterwards, like I've seen itwith my wife, like even before
we had a kid together, my wifedealt with issues and doctors
aren't always intuitive enoughto run the test or want to run a
test.
There was like a milliondifferent prescriptions,
soapsaps and pills beforefinally, some doctor was like,

(14:29):
hey, let's check your hormonesout, let's figure out what's
going on, and it's just likefuck.
For like several years andfinally one doctor was willing
to say like, hey, let's do labs,let's take a look at this, see
where your hormones are at.
And it seems like it's alwaysput on the back burner for
providers when you're in themilitary.
And the one thing that's alwaysfrustrating you talked about a

(14:49):
little bit was you're in thenormal range.
You're in a normal range,you're fine.
What does that mean to the guyon the team room that's just
turned 35?
He's been a high performer hisentire military career several
deployments, he's got some aches, he's had some surgeries, and
now he's starting to feel alittle bit on the downslope.

(15:11):
He can't do the normal runtimes he used to, he can't put
up the weight that he used to,and he finally gets checked out.
They're like oh no, yourtestosterone is normal.
So he's like, oh fuck, then theweight comes on.
Then you're not feeling, you'refeeling self-conscious, you
can't get back to feeling yourbest and it's like but
everything that you're beingtold is you're fine, you're
normal range, like.
What does that actually mean,though?

(15:32):
What does the actual what isthe?
What are the test resultsactually mean?
That's one of the things I wantto frigging the, you know, kill
that myth of you're in a normalrange, you're fine, like no
there, you're in a normal range,you're fine, like no, there's a
big difference.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, no, you're exactly right, you're you're
describing like thequintessential sf guy, right?
Or any kind of soft dude.
Yeah, they get to that 35, 30and I get them early and earlier
now, which they're saying islike because we're exposed in
utero to all these plastics andthings and hormones.
So I was hearing about that,yeah, I've been reading about
that.
It's wild so, and it could bethe stuff they spray on your

(16:10):
crops, it could be the plasticin your water bottle, who knows?
Some of us are more sensitive toit than others, but there is a
fact that our grandfathersprobably had a testosterone in
their 80s of 1000, you know oftotal testosterone and it keeps
going down and down because ifyou look at the historically,
lab core keeps shifting theirtotal testosterone range lower
and lower, really, yes, so acouple of years ago it used to

(16:34):
be a lot higher and it dependson the lab too.
So I use access labs in myoffice, but I use lab
coordination wide for my mypatients.
I'm licensed in 30 States, so Iuse.
I have patients all over thecountry, but their reference
range keeps getting lower andlower Every couple of years
you'll see.
But a reference range is notnormal and when you look at a
lab it's not a normal range.

(16:54):
A reference interval means that98% of the men in your age
group that LabCorp tests willfall between that left and right
limit, that LabCorp tests willfall between that left and right
limit.
Okay, so the left and rightlimit for LabCorp right now for
a guy in his mid thirties istypically like 280 to like 950,
somewhere around there, and itchanges with age.

(17:15):
It's kind of like the PT testright In the army it changes
with age.
What it is is just, you know,you don't want to be on the
lower end of that range.
If we could and totaltestosterone, I could get into
that too.
That's not really a goodmeasure of like where you are.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Let's do it, let's dive into it, break it all down
for us, no, you got it.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So total testosterone is it's a good ballpark, okay,
but it's a big range, like.
So for my labs, for Access Labs, it's 300 to 1100.
That's a huge range, okay, andyou're not normal.
That doesn't mean normal.
A reference interval just meanswhere the average is Okay.
Now, let's say I'm mepersonally.
I'm 40 years old, okay, uh, be41 next week.

(17:56):
I am my, like I, when I look atmy range of my labs, that's
comparing me to every 40 yearold, every 40 year old in my age
group that access labs doeslabs on.
Okay, let's talk about thatpopulation.
That's everybody at Walmart,right?
So that's, that is, 50% of themare going to be overweight, 50%
or 25% of them are obese.

(18:16):
You know these are a sicklyunhealthy population, so I do
not want to be compared to that.
So if you were to draw, like,let's say, a curve for me, like
this is 300 and this is 1100,and you drew a curve, and then
we broke that down into thirds,right, I want to be on that
upper third over here, on thatside.
Okay, that's where I want mytestosterone over there.

(18:37):
I don't want to bring it higherin the two thousands, right,
cause that's where bodybuildersare and that's where we're going
to get a lot of estrogen sideeffects and things like that.
I just want to be on the higherend of normal.
Now.
That's labs in general.
Okay With anybody.
Total testosterone is a poormeasure of where your
testosterone should be.
It's a good ballpark, Iacknowledge it.

(18:57):
I have it on my labs.
For women.
I'm going to stop ordering italtogether because women just
hyper-focus on on it and theirdoctors mainly are the ones that
are like oh my god, you haveher in the man level and I'm
like, yeah, these women like,first of all she's squatting 550
yeah, right, I know I had awoman do that because she was
taking peptides that hergreenberry husband was giving

(19:18):
her.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so, and I want to dive into peptides later.
We got you dude, I got you,yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So anyway, I got you.
Yeah.
So, anyway, the totaltestosterone is a big range.
Okay, so you can't be likeevery man should be 900.
That's BS.
Like I don't feel good unlessI'm 1200.
You know, like I need to be onthe higher end of that.
The reason being is you have twodifferent variables.
I wish I had like a way to drawthis, but there's free
testosterone and there's totaltestosterone free testosterone,

(19:45):
so.
And there's there's also aprotein called sexual and
binding globulin, and this is aprotein that's made in your
liver and it floats around yourbloodstream.
And let's say I injected youright now in the leg with
testosterone and it goes intoyour bloodstream.
Sexual and binding globulin isthat protein that will bind up
typically 90% of yourtestosterone.
Okay Now, the totaltestosterone is the sum of the

(20:06):
bound and the free.
Okay, the free testosterone isabout the 10% that's floating
around, hitting the receptors,turning everything on.
It's making that cell do one oftwo things Usually send a
signal or make a protein, andthat's what testosterone does.
The receptors are all over yourbody.
So, when it comes down to likewhat's more specific, free
testosterone will correlate morewith your symptoms.
Okay, if you were like Taylor.

(20:27):
You have one lab to figure thisguy out.
He has all these problems, youknow, and you have to figure out
his testosterone freetestosterone it's.
I would choose that a hundredpercent because it correlates
more with your symptoms.
Now, some people make a lot moresexual and body globulin than
others.
Okay, now we could pull yourlabs and we could pull mine.
Your sexual and body globulincould be 30.

(20:48):
Mine could be 80.
You know, mine is around 80.
So you're a cheap date.
When it comes to testosterone,you don't need a lot, because I
don't.
You're not going to bind muchup when I inject it into you,
when you inject it into yourbloodstream, you're not going to
bind much up.
The remainder will end up freeand that's floating around,
hitting the cells, turningeverything on.
For me, I bind up a ton, so Ineed a little bit higher dose
than you do.
See, there's a little bit ofscience that goes into this.

(21:10):
Right, there's a little bit oflike.
We have to do adjustments, andthat's like when I have you.
If I had you as my patient, wewould check in every once in a
while.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
We would's just, it's not how it is and I want to
pause right there and speak toyou directly, to the audience.
If you want to get checked outand you have questions and you
want to know where your hormonesare at, go to a doctor, go see
a provider and get lab done.
Get your labs done monthly.
Make sure you're beingsupervised.

(21:44):
Don't just go to an unregulatedsource and get testosterone.
You're not going to get theresults you're thinking of.
You have to be informed.
Go see a doctor, have your labsdone, have this be prescribed
to you and do it the right way.
Just want to throw that outthere.
There's been so many times I'vetalked to people and they've

(22:05):
gone to these.
If you Google testosterone,chances are you'll get an ad for
it on Instagram from theseproviders, suppliers, that will
send it to you with no bloodwork, with nothing.
We'll just send it to you.
That's not an appropriate wayto get this shit.
An appropriate way to do it isto reach out to Dr Bosley, have

(22:26):
him run your labs and then bringyou on as their patient and
then you can get the right dose,the right recommended regimen
and actually be headed on theright path If you seek out
testosterone treatment from oneof these ads on Instagram, like
some of my friends have done.
You're going to end up hurtingyourself more often than not.

(22:48):
It's not the appropriate dose,it's not the right stuff.
Please be informed.
Go to a doctor, get your labsand really know the truth.
Once you're informed, it's youknow.
It's like GI Joe, no one's haveto battle.
All right back to Dr Bosley.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Sorry, cool.
No, thanks for that plug, man.
Yeah, yeah, you, you nailed it,so it's perfect.
And I'd like to caveat what yousaid as far as find a doctor
Most doctors don't know how todo this.
That's just the fact of this.
Okay, we were not trained inmedical school.
I was not trained in residency.
I mean, I'm an ER doctor right,I can.
If your thyroid is super highand you're like on the verge of

(23:22):
death, right, I can help you.
If it's very low, I can helpyou.
But like, what about us in themiddle that want to be dialed up
?
That's, that's not tough, right?
And so I had to go do afellowship that took me most of
a year to learn how to do thisin integrative medicine, and
I've taken advanced bioidenticalhormone replacement courses.
I'm doing a peptidecertification right now.

(23:43):
So there's a lot of extralearning that doctors have to do
.
Is your doctor willing to putin the effort to do it?
You know that's the biggestthing.
There are self-proclaimedexperts.
I see housewives on Instagramprescribing peptides to people
that are used for you know, it'sso wild man, I don't even know.
It makes me so grossed out.
This is like what medicine isnow.

(24:04):
But you know, and I get peopleon the weirdest stuff Back to
your like people when you Googleit right.
So these big ones are going tocome up.
I'm not going to mention them,but there are some people who
there's a lot of these guysaround, especially veterans and
I'll get them.
You know they'll come to me.
It's basically a sales tactic,so they'll get you on there and

(24:26):
they're all on like the samething.
So they're on anastrozole, likeright away, or Ramidex is the
other name for it, which isestrogen blocker, and you're
like you didn't even check anestrogen on this guy.
Why are you putting my estrogenblocker?
You know he needs that to think, he needs that to have
erections, he needs that to nothave a heart attack.
So why are we?
Yeah, exactly, why are wetaking away the man's estrogen
if we don't even know if it's aproblem?
So you're, you're dealing withthat.
And then they're also on Clomidand are in Clomiphene, which I

(24:50):
see a Tamifine is what we call aCIRM.
It goes up and blocks yourestrogen receptor in your brain,
tricks your brain into makingmore testosterone and make sperm
.
So it puts people on that whenthey want to still maintain
fertility.
You know, guys like us we've hadour kids, like I'm snipped, I'm
not having any more kids, Idon't take that stuff because I
don't need it.
But they put every man on itLike just blanket you know,

(25:10):
which is crazy.
I think it's like an upsellingtactic.
And then you have this guy whochecks in with you, kind of like
I don't know what you call thepatient navigator or something
who would call you and say andhe's not even a medical guy,
he's a gym bro or whoever and hesays listen, man, you need to
be on this If you want to behard, like you're going to be on
a you know BPC one, five, sevenand TV 500 and all these like

(25:30):
peptides which you know, andthen they'll be like okay, and
that's gonna be like $600 forthat and they just upcharge
everything.
You need to be on a GLP-1.
You need to microdose a GLP-1,because that's what bodybuilders
do.
It's just like who comes upwith this stuff and who's
letting them like?
I've had a friend who told mehe works for one of those places
and he said that these peopleare just like adding things on

(25:51):
his license, like orderingthings for patients.
These are non-medical peopleand I'm like how in the hell is
this allowed?
You know, like there's noregulation here, One.

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That's just the.
That seems like a a disasterwouldn't happen.
Somebody's going to die andsomeone's going to be on the
hook.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, I know, and what kind of long-term damage
are you doing these poor guysLike?
And they don't even know what'sgoing on.
So, as far as education, whatyou said, so what would set us
apart from most people is Ispend an hour, an hour with you
when we first meet.
Sometimes you don't need, someguys are already on shots and
they already have pretty solid,like foundational knowledge, so

(27:04):
we don't have to spend that long.
But I offer you an hour and Igive you an hour because I need
to dig into your medical history.
There's some things you didn'twrite on that paper that I need
to ask you about that, that youmay have not told me or put on
there, and we need to dig intothat, make sure you're safe to
go on it.
And then I'm going to gothrough your labs with you in
very good detail and explaineverything to you.
I will draw you pictures andgraphs and things to help you

(27:24):
understand why we're doing thisand what direction we're going,
and then we're going to go overthe risks and benefits of it.
Okay, so you don't end up fiveyears from now and then you
can't have kids, because no oneever told you that testosterone
turns your sperm off.
I have guys, unfortunately intheir 20s, who've already came
to me on testosterone and no oneever told them that they're
trying to have a kid and can'tfigure out why Sad.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
We have to be able to read the research on our own.
Read the research on our own.
That's one of the things thatwe have to.
We have to overcome this ideathat we're going to walk in and
the doctor's going to knoweverything and they're just
going to magically prescribe theright thing and the magic's
going to work.
There's nothing wrong withsitting down and doing some real
research.
It's easy.
Google Scholar, look this up.
You can find out informationabout the studies specifically

(28:11):
for your job in the military andhow it's affecting your entire
whole health.
The data's out there.
You just have to be a littleproactive.
Do some research, not be sofucking lazy.
Go to the doctor's office withthe information and be like hey,
this is what I'm dealing with,these are my symptoms, this is
what I'm going through.
Hey, I was also a Green Beret.

(28:32):
How many deployments I've beenthrough.
There's all the symptoms that Ihave, the diagnosis I have.
I would like to talk to youtoday about doing this, and if
you're not going to a specialist, then understand that you're
probably not going to get thebest care and the best
information.
That's why you have to go.
Seek doctors and providers thathave that.
It'll literally say on there.
If you Google them what theirfocus is Like.

(28:56):
When you go to precisionwellness, it'll tell you that Dr
Taylor Bosley has thisbackground and is doing this and
his wife is also in the clinicdoing this.
That's why it's important, man,like I talk to guys all the
time because they fell victim tothose scams on social media and
it's like, hey, man, like youcan see a provider, there's
nobody near me.

(29:16):
Well, nowadays you can findsomebody that actually has
licensure and is certified towork in your state via
telehealth.
That's a real thing.
And how did you find your wayinto that?
Because I would imagine it'snot the easiest thing to go
through the added hoops andhurdles to try to get certified
in so many different states.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh, that's a whole nother animal man.
We came to a point where ourclinic was growing and we were
like my wife and I were likewhat, what do we want this to
look like?
You know, because we have threekids.
Like we're, not we, we, ourmain priority is to like be
present.
That's our thing.
We've grinded, we have worked,we've been grinding for so many

(29:57):
years I can't even like rememberhow long.
You know, between three yearsof the q course and then
deployment and then straightinto 11 years of training for
this.
It's like been non-stop.
And I'm like we need to slowthe hell down and figure out a
way to like work and do this butalso be with the kids.
So it's like this, this 1500square foot building we're in
right now we've grown out oflike way.
Yesterday, you know, like we,we need a new building yesterday

(30:19):
.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
That's a good problem , man.
Yeah, it is, it is we call itpositive stress.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
You know it's good.
Yeah, we, we work it.
I work in the er one day a weekstill, um, just to keep it up
and stuff, because it's a lot,you know it's.
You don't use it, you lose it.
So I do, and that's a totallydifferent stress.
You know, like that's peopleare dying, like little kids
dying, and stuff, like that's awhole nother stress.
But this is positive stress, Ithink it's.
It's not I wouldn't call ittotally healthy, but it's

(30:44):
healthier, I think, than what Iwas doing.
So nothing's easy, nothing'seasy, that's for sure.
But yeah, so we're growing andwe're building a new building
right now we're about to belocked in on it, which is cool
down the road and we'll be.
It's two levels 4,500 squarefeet on the bottom.
We're going to 4,500 on the top.

(31:06):
We're going to try to bring onhyperbarics and a bunch of cool
stuff.
Yeah, so we're actuallybringing on stem cell.
Next week we're getting trainedin that so we have the only fda
approved umbilical stem cell inthe entire nation.
We have, you know, traviswilson from the green beret
foundation now for uh projectrecon, which is part of cal bio.
Yeah, they're both coming um,the owner of cal bio and travis

(31:27):
will come next week and then getus spun up.
We're going to be the primaryeast coast location for stem
cell treatment, so pretty cool,cool stuff there.
So we like the brick and mortarversion.
It's cool because patients comein and we get to see them.
But then we get to a point whereare we going to grow?
Do we need to open a locationin Fayetteville, maybe one in
Wilmington, one in Tampa?
I don't know, but it just seemsmore difficult than Destin,

(31:51):
florida Destin, yeah, oh, trustme, we have considered that.
No, I know that would be aperfect spot, but it's like it's
harder to manage and way moreoverhead to have a bunch of
brick and mortar locations toprovide pretty much the same
service.
I mean, the downside is I can'tput pellets in you.
I do a lot of pellets here,hormone pellets.
I can't do that over the phone,right?
My only option for you iscreams or shots, if we do online

(32:13):
, and that's fine, but I'm oneperson, I can't be in everywhere
.
So I was like, how can wemaintain, keep this under
control and still reach themajority of people all over?
The United States is thetelemedicine, and after COVID
it's really opened the door tothat, so it's helped us be able
to expand.
So we chose to go thetelemedicine route instead of

(32:33):
going more brick and mortarlocations and expand.
So we chose to go thetelemedicine route instead of
going, like more brick andmortar locations, and I feel
like if I'm can't be there atthat brick and mortar location
like I am at this one, I feellike the quality kind of goes
down there.
So I just I feel like I canmanage everything better if we
just have the mothership here inSouthern pines, north Carolina,
and then we have, like you know, right now I'm licensed in all
the big 30 states, you know.

(32:54):
So I'm in California, about tobe in New York, I'm in Texas,
I'm, you know, obviously,florida, but, um, all these big
states and Alabama, I'm inAlabama, awesome, yep.
So I'm in many states.
We, I kind of looked at my.
I talked to my other onlinebuddies.
Um, titan, titan performancewas one of them and I was like
where do you see, like the owner?

(33:14):
The owner's a really, reallynice guy.
So we, uh, he gave me somemetrics on it and and I kind of
figured out where, cause he hasa lot of customers, and I kind
of figured out where his guyswere coming from.
So that's how we we figured out.
But anyway, that's how we endedup with one brick and mortar
location and then spread outnationwide.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
That's awesome.
And I want to go back and tapinto something pellets that I've
talked to several people thatsay that the best is still doing
injectable.
But I still have friends thatare paying out of pocket in the
military and soft and they usethe pellets because obviously,

(33:54):
when you deploy, when you'regoing on J sets and C dids, you
don't have time to try to bringyour testosterone because, hey,
we're living in a world rightnow where it's not being
prescribed to a lot of guys thatneed it.
So guys are going out of pocketto get their blood work done,
get their labs done to figureout what their levels are and
getting diagnosed, getting thatprescribed to them by other

(34:14):
providers.
So they're choosing the pellets.
But I'm hearing a lot of mixedreviews and misinformation.
Maybe Can you break it down tous, the efficacy, how it works,
and is it completely comparablewith the release versus and
compare it to injectable, atestosterone?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I would love to.
I talk about this all day long.
There are three optionstypically for men cream, shots
and pellets.
Okay, different differentpharmacokinetics.
Pharmakokinetics think aboutwhen you shoot a bullet, right
the trajectory of it.
That's what the testosterone isdoing inside your body, and so
they all behave differently.
Creams I'm going to talk aboutthat one real quick and then

(34:56):
we're going to knock it off thelist because it's not really a
good option for a lot of people.
My dad, 25-year-old Vietnamveteran, lives at home, doesn't
have a wife.
They're living with him.
He's divorced, he doesn't havea woman, so he uses creams
because I don't worry about himtransferring that cream to
anybody else.
That's the biggest thing.
It's called transference andwhen you put a cream on
specifically man, I usually havethem applied to their scrotum

(35:17):
because it absorbs better thatway, and so you put it there and
then your, your significantother, comes and snuggles with
you.
You're going to spread that tothem, and they have done studies
where even pulling the coversover can can spread by vapor.
So it can spread to the woman,because they did that by testing
her levels and they were higher.
So it's really hard to keep it,to keep it from spreading.
So anyway, there have been casestudies where, like the dad

(35:40):
rubs it on him and then heforgets to wash his hands and
touches the child every nightand to play with the child, you
know, and then the child ends upwith an armpit hair at four
years old and then it goes away.
But that's what we worry about.
We worry about the transferenceof the cream.
So I don't offer it to a lot ofpeople.
I'll ask them their homesituation and you know very few
people meet that criteria for it.
So creams are good.

(36:01):
Women I have a ton of women ontestosterone cream because if
she spreads it to her husbandshe's on one 10th of the dose
and he's not even gonna know.
He might even thank her for thelittle extra boost.
You know, you never know.
So I tell him, I say, even ifhe goes down there and licks it
off, it's gonna be, you know,it's not gonna do a damn thing

(36:28):
to him.
So it's fine.
So let's, you know, not creamsoff, because that's not a really
good option.
Now we're left with shots andpellets.
So shots, tried and true, it'sbeen around forever, it's safe.
It is a synthetic testosteroneis what we call it.
Because in order to get thattestosterone to hang out in your
muscle or in your fat,depending on where you inject it
you have to add something to it, now that something is called
an ester chain.
Now the difference betweenyou've heard of a testosterone

(36:48):
cypionate versus propionate,versus enanthate, those have
different length of chains onthem.
Okay, so you have thistestosterone molecule with this
little tail hanging off thatmakes it hang out in that fat.
Otherwise, if I injected youwith pure testosterone liquid,
it would just go.
It would go into yourbloodstream, be gone in a couple
hours.
You know it wouldn't last, sothat's how we make it last a
week.
And if you know propionate isshorter acting, so we that has

(37:09):
to be added to it.
So it's kind of a syntheticthing and your liver has to
break that down.
And the same place.
I could get into the weeds onthis, but it does mess with your
cholesterol a little bit in abad way If you're on shots, but
not you know it's.
It's mostly safe, is what I'msaying.
It's good as long as you doseit right.
The downside of using too muchtestosterone is going to be too
much estrogen, just likebodybuilders have that problem.
Estrogen is good, buteverything should be in a

(37:30):
balance and I don't likeinjecting like injection.
The standard dose for a man waslike 200 milligrams once a week.
I think that's most people like.
End up on that and I think it'sperson dependent.
It depends on your weight andat the end of the day this is a
weight based medicine.
I am not a big fan of injectingonce a week and getting that
big spike.
Spike yeah, and then you'redropping it down so your

(37:51):
testicles release about whenthey are testicles used to do it
.
It was 10 to 15 milligrams perday, typically something like
that.
It's a low amount, so you don'twant to dump 200 milligrams of
testosterone in there becauseyour body has to deal with that
Okay, it has to process it andall those things.
So guys like that big spikesometimes because it gives them

(38:11):
that big, like I feel good, andthat vigor and right and that
energy.
But the problem is you're makinga lot of estrogen at the same
time and it's not good to dothat.
So what I typically do is takethat once a week and I just chop
that dose in half.
So I would do like 100 twice aweek and I would typically do it
like every four days orsomething, and I'm not.
This is not medical advice,like if.

(38:31):
Obviously, if you want me tolook at your stuff, I will.
I will look at your labs andyour weight and this is very
personalized medicine, like Ihave guys on very different
doses depending on how big theyare, what their activity level
is and all those things.
But I recommend I like most mymen are on a twice a week or
every four days, so I'll do likehalf the dose but just do it
every four days and instead ofthat big spike up and big and

(38:53):
then drop is you get those twosmaller spikes.
Is why I like it and it keepsyou up in that higher range a
little bit longer.
And anytime you swing hormonesyou're going to have side
effects.
And I had a buddy of mine who heworks here as like part-time,
he's a veteran as well, but Imade it.
I was like I made him, but Iwas like I requested to him
because he'd been on pelletsonly and I was like do shots for

(39:13):
me, please do it one month.
I want you to do it once a weekand then the next month, I want
you to do it twice a week andtell me how you feel.
Like what is the difference?
Right, this is our own littlestudy that we did.
So the once a week.
He was like you know what, liketwo days out from my injection,
I'm really looking forward tothat next injection.
That was his, because you losea little as that curve comes

(39:33):
down.
You're getting to that pointwhere you don't have a lot of
testosterone left.
So maybe, let's say, you injectevery sunday, friday and
saturday, you're really runningout of juice and so guys will
notice that.
Or if you do too much medicine,it's not coming down yet and
you eject again.
You're going to stack the doses.
So that's the problem withdoing it for every four days or
whatever.
Every guy's different.
I've got to do it every fourdays, every three days.

(39:54):
I've got to do it three days aweek.
It just depends on the person.
I've got to do it once a weekand love it.
That's how they've been doingit and you know it.
Just it's very person dependent.
I just will try something andthat's what good follow-up is
for is let me call you, try this.
Let me call you in a month, seehow it's going.
Let's check your levels again,see where it's at.
I like to check levels the daybefore they inject, because I

(40:14):
want to know what they have leftin the tank.
That's my, because if they'restill at a thousand total
testosterone the day before,then we're going to stack again
on them.
And then they're still at athousand total testosterone the
day before, then we're going tostack again and then they're
just going to end up with thishigher and higher and higher
dose.
And then they call me and say Ihave erectile dysfunction, I
can't have sex, and I'm like,okay, we'll start over again.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
So Fuck more problems .

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, guys have two issues.
They, you know it's like womenwill know if, like, a hair is
out of place.
The guys are like, if I can'twork out and I can't have sex,
like I can't live, you know, andbut nothing else bothers them.
They're like I lost my leg, Idon't care, you know like
whatever, that is 100% the man.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Even like if you overdo it, guys like oh man, I
really crushed in the gym.
I don't feel so good.
Take, take a day off.
Like oh man, I feel better now.
Like first thing I want to dois like go right back to the gym
, that's all we care.
As we get older, like the onlything that really matters is can
I perform in the bedroom?
I'm gonna continue working out.
If I gotta take a day off likeoh my god, my world's over yeah,
exactly it's, it's.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's easy to keep the guys on on par like that.
Those are the two main things,but anyway, like you're dealing
with the shots, the up down,it's really good for like
bodybuilders who want to dial intheir levels and keep them.
They'll do it more frequentlybut they'll keep those little
like those little spikes all thetime to keep their levels
dialed perfect.
And they do labs.
I have a couple of patientsthat are bodybuilders and

(41:33):
they're all over their labs allthe time.
They're coming in here likeevery couple of weeks getting
their labs done just to try todial it in.
You can do that Now.
Pellets I put a pellet in.
What that is is, think aboutlike a Tic Tac, like something
the size of a Tic Tac, and itslowly releases.
My pellets release about 1.7milligrams of testosterone per
pellet per day.
For a guy your size you wouldprobably get I don't know 11, 12

(41:57):
pellets.
Okay, I've had eight pellets,nine pellets, 10 pellets.
I just been trying to find mydose.
I'm kind of at a sweet spot now, but it releases a little bit
of testosterone all day.
It's where we put them is in thelove handle on the men.
A lot of places will put themin the butt cheek.
I don't like that.
I've been a patient of pelletsfor a long time and I had my
butt cheeks.
It just hurts really bad whenthey put it back there.

(42:19):
We don't have a men, don't havea lot of fat women all day.
We'll put them back there andwomen get like one grain of rice
and we get like 10 or 12 tictacs.
So it's it's.
It's one time in their lifewhere the women get off easy.
You know they gotta have thekids.
They gotta do.
I got that space.
I got that space for that.
I know some guys have both.
You know, if you gotta, if yougotta donk a donk and you have

(42:40):
it right.
So you never know.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I got a head kill situation back here.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Dog, yeah, I know, are you going to go for either.
You got a lot of real estate,denny.
Either way, it's that Latino,yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
So love handles?
I didn't know that, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, so the thing, so the muscle think about your
glute muscles.
You use them everything.
So if you put and we don't havea lot of fat back there, so
you're putting that pelletyou're causing all that trauma
in that tissue and then you'regonna go get up and walk around
and it hurts.
I remember like after I got mypellet in the first time, I was
limping around the er becausethey're like, are you okay?
And I'm like, no, uh, yeah, I'mfine.
So I don't know, like tell themwhat I got done.

(43:14):
But then I did this pellettraining.
Eventually, when I starteddoing this on my own, I went to
this pellet training.
Thank God that like does it adifferent way and instead of
putting a bunch of pellets likeclumped up together in the butt
cheek, we put them in the lovehandle but then spread them out.
Think about like trained cars,right?
Because the more spread outthey are, the better the blood
flow is across the pellet.
So the pellets are all becausepellets might last five months

(43:37):
in you and they might last sixmonths in me, it just depends.
Typically, men get five to sixmonths out of them after we put
them in.
Put them in the love handle andthe blood flows across them and
pulls testosterone off of them.
Okay, just like your testiclesdo.
So the more blood flow to yourtesticles, the more testosterone
you're going to pull off ofthere.
Now with if you're stressed outall the time, you're laying in

(43:57):
bed and your heart's beatingreal fast.
If you're you're you're atriathlete and you're training
all the time, more cardiacoutput, more blood flow across
that pellet, the quicker you'regoing to lick your lollipop,
right, you're going to pull offthat testosterone.
You'll burn through them faster.
So, my power lifter guys, I'llpellet them, probably a couple
of weeks before I'll pelleteverybody else, because they'll
burn through them faster andthey know that.

(44:19):
So we just schedule theirpellet sooner.
It's it just depends on theperson.
I have guys who are couchpotatoes and they'll get eight
months out of them.
You know, it is what it is.
It's person dependent and wereally go a lot off symptoms.
I don't really the labs guide us.
I always say, like the labs,this is an art and a science.
The art is the patient and howthey feel.
The science is what are thelabs?

(44:40):
And we try to make those thingsmesh to try to get a good idea
of what's going on and thenguide the treatment.
So the pellets are cool becauseyou put them in there and you
get this steady state right whenyou would inject testosterone
once a week, up down, right,it's going to be like that With
pellets.
It's this nice smooth curvethat goes like this and then
slowly drops off.
So the difference is you'redoing that up and down.

(45:03):
That up and down is occurringover half a year instead of one
week, which is kind of coolbecause you're getting that nice
steady curve.
Now do I feel my pellets dropoff at around five months?
Yes, I do the way.
I know that is because I don'tfeel like going to the gym.
I usually get that, like Iexplained, like testosterone
gives you vigor and vigor islike I'm gonna get up and kick

(45:23):
today's ass kind of feeling,whereas, like you, didn't have
that when your testosterone waslow and I dread I'll dread the
gym, but oh, I don't want to gotoday.
Whereas, like today, I woke upand, you know, ran sprints, I
felt good.
You know I got my pellet put intwo weeks ago.
So, um, I'm feeling good but itdoes drop off, but it's not
like when you're on shots and itjust overnight, like yesterday
I felt good and today I don't.

(45:44):
It's like over two weeks or soyou'll feel it drop.
So you get this beautiful nicecurve that goes up.
I do labs at the peak and Icheck what the labs are there
and then I do labs at the troughand I get between those two
pieces of data I can pretty muchfigure out what your dose is
and what your interval is.
As far as your uh pellets, um,pretty easy.
Like you said, the militaryguys awesome for deployments,

(46:04):
because most soft guys don'tdeploy longer than five months.
So you end up popping them inthere.
You know I they put them in.
I just need a couple days ofrest, um, after I put it in
there so they don't end upgetting infected, and then
they're good to go.
Um, I mean, I have I'm workingwith a guy right now who's um
that's deploying for a long timeand we're trying to figure out,
like, how we're going to dopellets and then shots and we're

(46:26):
trying to like yeah, I thinkI'm along, so every guy's in a
different situation.
So that's, that's how it goes.
But yeah, it's, they all havetheir pros and cons.
There's no perfect way toreplace testosterone and we
haven't even got into, like inclomiphene and hcg and those

(46:47):
kind of things like that, thoughthat'll just stimulate your
body to make more.
That's always an option too.
But as far as testosteronereplacement like we're going to
take, over the system, that's, Ineed shots and pellets.

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(48:01):
feel out what you're looking forand then get you set up for
labs.
We do use LabCorp and you canuse insurance at LabCorp.
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You know that's.
That's always the option.
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(48:27):
We're we're partnering withquest too.
I'm just trying to get all thestuff filled out for to get an
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But um, it's pretty easy.
You just go lab core and thenafter that, once your labs come
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scheduled for a consult with meor one of my um or one of my
other providers and we'll just,uh, we'll go over everything.
So we spend that hour with you,get going and then we'll figure
out a good plan for you.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Heck yeah, and are you guys enrolled with TRICARE?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
We don't do TRICARE, so you can bill TRICARE with,
like you can submit it yourself,but I don't do insurance at all
.
The reason being is, if I didinsurance, it would limit my
ability to take care of patients.
You might think that thatsounds opposite, but it's not.
We've tried to use insurancebefore, but then they want to
control what we charge and whatthey reimbursed.

(49:09):
And then I like imagine, like Isubmit all this stuff to them
and then they pay like 70% of it.
You know, like how am I goingto pay a staff?
Like it's, yeah, it doesn'tmake sense.
So we offer a fair price.
I mean to be on testosteronewith us and this is today, which
is August 15th, and it couldchange but it's 150 bucks a
month, right, really.
Yeah, that's it, holy shit.

(49:29):
Yeah, you pay for theconsultation upfront, which is
an hour of my time, right, andI'll spend with you or my
provider $200, which is a fairrate and then from then on it's
150 bucks a month.
That testosterone shows up toyour door.
It's a set up.
It's like on auto repeat,unless you change your dose and
you get your testosterone vialto your door, your syringes,
your needles.

(49:50):
That includes and limitedaccess to me.
So if you have a question atany time, you can call and ask.
Right, we can get on theschedule and ask me.
You can send the chat we have asecure chat through our EHR and
it's just and then we usuallytalk to you about four times a
year.
We'll do labs, typically twicea year, maybe three times a year
.
It depends on if you're newwith testosterone we'll do it
more frequently, but that'stypically how it goes and we

(50:13):
like to stay on top of it.
But I mean, that's a cheapprice to pay to get it done.
Otherwise, what are your otheroptions?
You go to your primary caredoctor and they put you on some
crazy dose where you'reinjecting like once every two
weeks.
you know exactly yeah yeah,you've seen that the army docs
do that.
They'll put you on.
And they do put you on like 100milligrams.
The guy's like 225 and they'llput them on 100 milligrams every
two weeks.

(50:33):
I'm like, do you understand?
You spend 50 percent of yourlife with no testosterone.
That gets gone after a week.
Or you go do pellets on on baseand they're putting in these
pellets that are like a quarterof the dose, they and they only
last you like a couple months,but they're free.
So guys do them.
And I had one guy that formedlike a capsule around his
pellets but they didn't absorband then all of a sudden I put

(50:54):
pellets in him and then thosepellets, that capsule like bust,
and then it's called a seroma,it forms around it and then he
has levels like skyrocketedbecause of that.
Yeah, it was wild.
And so he's like I'm nevergoing back there.
I'm like, yeah, I don't, youknow, because it's free probably
instantly transforms into hulkhogan in his prime right.
Right, I was like because wepulled his labs around that and

(51:16):
he's like, yeah, I felt a littledifferent.
I could tell I was like, yeah,your testosterone's 2000 dude,
so yeah it's the best prs of hislife oh yeah, he was cautioning
it, he was crushing in the gym.
He was like that is a.

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Yeah, there's a lot of grayarea out here in this industry
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I know you don't have to chargepeople a thousand dollars a
month to treat theirtestosterone, you know, but
there are people out there doingit and it's just crazy.
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I think that's the differencebetween me being a physician and

(53:41):
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(56:01):
Dr Bosley, thank you for beinghere today.
Thank you for sitting down withus and breaking some of these
myths.
I really appreciate it.
And to everybody tuning in,thank you for being here.
Thank you for giving us some ofyour time and we'll see you all
next time.
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