September 2, 2025 • 37 mins
Chris & Aaron get ready to point some fingers while watching Arnold Braunschweiger's 1993 action comedy, Last Action Hero!
The boys are once again joined by guest Erika Shasky, as they find out what a few of the film's key players think about the movie & what might've gone wrong.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Tape Deck Media.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, and welcome to see you what the potty Richter.
My name is Chris Chapman, and joining me as always
is my co host Aaron Frescus. Hey, and joining us
once again a special guest is eric A. Shasky. Hello,
and we are going to continue our coverage of Arnold's
(00:32):
nineteen ninety three action comedy movie Thing. Yeah. So I'm
gonna hand it over to Aaron because he's gonna tell
us some more stuff about the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah. Also, Joe's not here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's his birthday today, so yep, so we have murdered him.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Okay, what nothing that's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We have arranged a the Game style situation for him,
So I'm not here for a few weeks. Yeah, so
if you hear some gunshots in the background, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, all right. I have a few promo videos that
we're going to check out, But before we get to those,
I figured, why, hey, why not close out our production
coverage by finding out how Last Section hero Is key
players dealt with the film bombing both critically and commercially.
And if I know anything about these show business types,
I'm sure they'll have no problem with taking their share
of the responsibility for the film's failure, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, known for their integrity, these people.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Exactly exactly and not passing off the blame at all. No, yeah, anyway, okay, yeah,
So let's start off with the head honcho, Columbia Pictures
chairman Mark Canton, who, according to the book Hit and Run,
was rumored to have spent his Fourth of July weekend
nineteen ninety three quote slumped in a chair in his
den like Michael Corleone in The Godfather Part two, watching
(01:58):
a print of Jurassic Park over and over again, yeah, unquote.
And I really hope that's true, because it's just funny
and sad at the same time.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, it's I don't know, really sad, Yeah, but funny too,
because fuck that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Just just sitting there watching the scene where Jeff Goldbloom's like,
you were so preoccupied if you could, you didn't think
about it, if you should, he rewinds it and plays
it again.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think the only thing funnier would be like if
it was like like a little less Michael corleyon The
Godfather too, and a little more like Leonardo DiCaprio from
The Aviator, Like he already locks himself in the theater
and he's just just watching traffic park, all naked and
scraggly haired somehow, with like a full beard and over
like a weekend jars a p sitting in the corner
of the room. Anyway, of course, old MOPI Mark denied
(02:54):
that this happened. It denied the rumors. Yeah, basically writing
them off is ridiculous by saying, quote, oh please, what
are you kidding? Why would I be doing that? The
jars of go in the center of the room.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
They give the film a nice sepia tone when I
put him in front of the.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Projector I might have misquoted him on that last part,
but the rest of it was, Yes, it was like
up until the peapart, it was why would I be
doing that?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Anyway. By the way, Kenton actually did take some responsibility
for the film's failure, or at least as much as
a studio head is actually willing to take, yeah, because
he admitted that he was wrong for assuming that just
the fact that Arnold was starring in the film meant
that it would be a guaranteed success.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, which is true, Yeah, but ouch for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
At the same time, he's not taking responsibility for any
particular thing he did.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, exactly, like I said, as much as one will.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Ouch on Arnold's.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Part, yeah, kind of, I see it, Like, oh, I
thought he was a bigger star than he was, but
clearly no.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He was as big as they think he was.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But I think they just like that's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's a little bit the undertone of
that statement. Yeah, Like, man, I don't know, that's a
hell of an ego check right there. Damn sorry, but yeah.
So he also admitted that the short production schedule was
a problem, saying quote, I would never want to make
that date again. You're promising something too extraordinary and it
can just cause backlash.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Hey there you go, buddy.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He then says something that made it seem like maybe
he didn't actually learn anything from all this when he
like continues by saying, quote, failure is not the end game.
It is an almost inevitable cul de sac on the
road to success. Yeah. So, I mean that's a good
attitude to have as like a person, but like, yeah,
(04:53):
that's not good for a studio doing creative shite. Just
because this one suck doesn't mean the next was gonna suck.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, this one was supposed to fail. You guys got
to see the next one.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
This one didn't fail as bad as the next one will,
or this one didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It wasn't as bad as Bonfire the Vanities exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is at least a nicer cul de sac.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, but yeah. Canton remained as Columbia Pictures chairman for
a few more years before Like eventually being fired in
nineteen ninety six. And surprisingly, he wasn't the only studio
executive who admitted fault, because good old Sid Gannis, Columbia's
head of marketing, also shouldered his share of the blame.
This is actually it's not so like however, Mark Kin's
(05:39):
was anyway, So he says, quote, the goal was to
create a blockbuster. Instead it was a debacle, And the
reason was it wasn't a bad movie. My son has
watched it and he's told me it's not a bad movie.
What happened was we just handled it all wrong. And I,
the man who had done the Star Wars trilogy, I
was the one who handled it. It was me who
fucked it up. Wowstead of withholding we strutted so that
(06:01):
the press all they could say to us was oh yeah,
oh yeah, which I think it just it just says
oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But yeah, all they could say to us was oh
yeah yeah, and they said it time and time again
unquote and actually kind of like it's impressive, that's like owned, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Very candid, and like, yeah, took responsibility for a not
very good marketing campaign.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, And I'm like, I'm surprised that the studio executives
were actually willing to accept responsibility for the film. I'd
say that they were probably also the ones that were
most responsible for like ninety percent of the problems that
they ended up dealing with, definitely, which really sucks because
their dumb shit decisions basically meant that people were giving
ship for the film quote unquote sucking that probably shouldn't
have taken like so much of the blame.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, like John McK tiernan, for instance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, the director, Uh what's uh? So people were shitty
about Austin O'Brien too, Yes, yeah, so Shane.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Black was shitty about it? Was it just Shane Black?
I think it might have just been Shane Black. I
feel like it was the.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Other two as well as Zach Penn and yeah, Adam Laught,
Penn and Laught I remember they said something. I don't
remember few specifically about the kid, but yeah, either.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Way anyway, But yeah. John McTiernan, which sucks for him
because he was basically handcuffed by the studio, is almost
like unrealistically impractical production schedule. Yeah, it prevented him making
the best movie possible. But now I was thinking about it,
and I guess he technically did make the best movie
he could have.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, given the situation exactly wanted. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, And it wasn't helped by the fact that the
media took pretty much any opportunity to shit on the
film before it was even released, which John McTiernan basically
called unfair like later called unfair saying quote in some
other circumstance, people might have, if not applauded, at least
noticed the attempt to make an honest movie. It can't
be articulate about that. I guess I'm still too hurt.
Oh damn Jesus, I'm telling you, they broke him seriously
(08:06):
makes sense what he did, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
but because of all this, mc turning decided to take
a break from Hollywood, saying again another quote, but saying
that he quote went home and didn't talk to anybody
for about a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Jesus stayed in.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Wyoming and did the Hey just basically said, he's like,
I just had to lick my wound stamp. Yeah, he's.
He's also admitted in a few different interviews over the
years that the film didn't really stand a chance against
Jurassic Park and basically blamed the studios, called the studio
stupid for being too stubborn to move the release state. Yeah,
definitely for the last section yeero, and by the way,
(08:42):
I might be forgetting someone. But it seems like the
film's failure didn't really have too much of a negative
impact on anyone's careers ex accept.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Me by Arnold, but like, yeah, anyone involved in the movie,
it probably had. It probably affected other movies that were
in production at collebe.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, sorry involved with the movie is what. Yeah, Yeah,
it didn't like hurt their careers with the except maybe Arnold,
which people say anyway, we'll get to that in a second.
But yeah, because John McKy Triernon would eventually bounce back
in nineteen ninety five with Diehard with the Vengeance.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, and I think is that the best Diehard.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I've never seen that one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Actually, Oh, okay, so I've never seen that one either,
But yeah, I feel like people like number three a lot, really.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Number Yeah, I remember number three being really popular, but
also those I haven't seen the second one because one
was fine. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, one season the gist.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, anyway, I think it possibly like its first her careers.
I think it possibly may have hurt the writer's careers
a bit if one, they like most of the writers,
weren't already super established at that point.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And two I think there were way too many, like,
way too many of them to like pinted on one
person because the only two whose careers I think could
have been hurt by it that pen Adam laft or
kicked off it. Like yeah, So I don't know. Zach
Penn actually spoke about the movie in a bunch of articles,
but I didn't pull any quotes because honestly, he just
kind of bugs me.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't remember seeing the kid and anything else.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He was in My Girl too, and then he was
before this. He was in prehysteria or prehistoria, but which
is about little tiny dinosaurs. I don't know, I remember watching.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's in prehistory prehysteria. I think a
camera was called. It's the only thing that I know
him from. But uh, I think he was. I'm sure
he was in a few things after My Girl too.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, he played the resurrected like mcaulay Culkin went into
his like Naculay Culkin's character went into his body possessed,
but he was possessed by the ghost of mcaulay culkin.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The ghost miss weird.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah what did you watch the person? You watched the
Persone right?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, so yeah it got it got super weird because
she like does like Ouiji boards stuff and then a
Coulie Culkin like goes into the goat like goat like, yeah,
she pretty much brings him back. Yeah, it gets weird.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
That's uh all right.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, the weird The sad part was when he goes
and tries to convince his mom that's him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, did the mom slap him?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, she was started crying and then he ended up leaving. Yeah,
Erica is in for a shock when she watches My
Girl Too, mother.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
And I just I'm I don't know if I believe
you right now or not.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's like, what is this bullshit?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Okay continue.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He was in four episodes of Touch by an Angel
and that's kind of it.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I used to really like that show.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I used to watch that show.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I've seen the show.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That's what that's what uh our parents watched. Yeah, it
was fine, like it was just a weekly it was.
It was Law and Order g O D. But yeah,
it was it was no, no, no, like what people Sin,
the angels help him out.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I don't even think it was about Sin. I think
it was just like it was more like an A
Team situation. They just go around helping people. Man.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I really wish I wish I would have edit because
I would totally edit fucking mister.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
T And yeahs and to Touch by an Angel. Was
that lady's name Dela Reice del Rese. Yeah that's right anyway,
uh so sorry. She was on the eight team really
one episode as missus barakas nice.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
See maybe she oh my god, what if she was
his husband? But she died during some time between when
the A Team ended and like when Touch my angel started.
It's the same person. Yeah, oh man, that's good. Perfect,
It's in the same universe. Yeah, she's an angel.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What's What's I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I lay's name Monica Monica or that's I think it's
their name on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Maybe Patio Hurlahan.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Wow, I don't know. I just remembered seeing the people
on it Romantowney.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah. Anyway, So I do have a one quick quote
from Shane Black, who, as we know, is not a
fan of the finished film, and uh he later said
about it, quote, it should have been a movie about
wonder and sadness. It was instead a movie about crowd
pleasing moments where little boys are just screaming. Yeah, like
we're supposed to cheer, Like we were supposed to cheer.
(13:49):
I don't know. I'm trying to satisfying an audience and
making them cheer two different things. I think that in
last section Hero, they made this very obvious movie that
tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing essentially no
one unquoted good burn out. Yeah. I could have used
a few more fart jokes, but it was a good
burn anyway. But yeah, like I was saying, the only
(14:10):
one whose career. I guess you could maybe say was
hurt by the film's failure was Arnold, but also not
really because his movies going forward but were still successful
until I think the Sixth Day or like in Collateral Damage,
I think the Sixth Day did all right, and then
Collateral Damage actually lost money. But then like he like
Terminator three was after that. So yeah, anyway, they just
(14:30):
weren't as successful as everything before Last Action Hero.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, and that sincerely doubt that really has anything to
do with Last Exact heuro so much as Terminator two
was an insane success exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Because pretty much every actor has like a career peak
and his just happened to be Terminator two.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And he sort of touches on this in his book
when while discussing the aftermath of Last Action Hero, mentioning
how at the time he would tell himself that the
movie not doing well would have no impact on his career,
and then it didn't really matter anyway, because quote, at
one point or another, you're going to get a sorry.
At one point or another, you're going to get the beating.
(15:09):
Yeah it's written like you talk, so like it like
throws me off. Anyways, funny. It could have been another movie.
It could have been three years later, it could have
been five years later, unquote, but that actually made me wonder. Okay,
so let's say Columbia actually had pushed the release date
in order to fine tune the movie a little bit, like, yeah,
maybe even held a few, like a few more test
(15:31):
screenings to get a better idea of what doesn't like,
what works, and what doesn't, as well as like giving
them the appropriate amount of time or like at least
in a reasonable amount of time for post production.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So, like, let's say they did all that stuff and
the movie actually ended up doing okay critically, which would
help it's like boost its box office numbers a little
bit at least.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Plus it would probably just get a basic boost from
not being right next to the Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah exactly, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, like
it still like would be no Jurassic Park. Sure, but
let's say it was like a moderate success, like something
like a kindergarten cop. Yeah, which was I would say
a little more than a moderate success. But sure. Anyway,
if all that happened, which movie of his do you
guys think he eventually would have gotten all that shit
(16:14):
from the media about like that he got for Last
Action Hero.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I got to be Junior, right, see it, Like I
don't know how Junior did, but like I can't imagine
it's amazing. Maybe I'm wrong. I just even at the time,
I don't remember that movie being like popular, like people
thinking that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, that was my note, I said, Junior. But then
I did a quick look at the numbers and I'm
not sure if it was considered a bomb, but it
didn't look like it actually lost money, got it. Plus,
like they just went in for it like before, because
they were attacking him as far as Last Section Hero,
like it seems like they were pretty much rooting for
him and the movie to fail pretty much from the beginning. Yeah,
(16:55):
and then went in for the kill when the movie
didn't turn out to be as good as they were
like hyping it up to be, Yeah, which I don't
think they were doing with Junior. And I don't think
happened again again. I was my poor, uh research skills
before this. I don't think happened again until Batman and Robin.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah. Yeah, Okay, so I kind of forgot about Batman
and rob that's probably that's probably the one because I
think I think people probably give him a lot of
slack when he does comedy.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes, you know what I mean, so like and it
was an adult comedy. Yeah, I think it was still
PG thirteen, but Jennior was PG thirteen too or not
Junior twins, right, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was it was it?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I want to say it was, thought was.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I don't really because.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It could be totally wrong PG Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I thought it was at least PG thirteen. Okay,
well I was wrong, but yeah, I know it wasn't
researching as thoroughly back then, like we covered Batman and
Robin h But from what I remember, all that vuture
like was mostly aimed at Joel Schumacher.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And I'm curious. So I'm curious if it would have
got like shifted because they're just waiting for him to,
like he said, they're basically like waiting for him to
like fail.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Or whatever, like you know, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And I also think that maybe one of his last
movies besides TREMANR. Three that was as hyped up as
like I sorry, I think that that was one of
his last movies that was as hyped up as is
like movies were in the late eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, but that movie made money, although I'm curious if
it's numbers would have taken a little dip if that
would have happened. It's also a Batman movie, so it's
like established, what ip?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, so's it's a little bit more bulletproof than
those other two movies.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Last Action Hero or definitely Last Action it's like original, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Exactly have you seen Junior?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Sorr. I was trying to think, like which movie you
would think that he would start getting shipped for, but
like Junior, see, I think he was, which I'm curious to, like, yeah,
you have.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You have a like person that's typecast for a very
specific type of role, and then all of a sudden
he's playing a pregnant guy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like yeah, but at that point, what was that that was?
I think it was Last Section Hero, True Lives and
then Junior.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So what what is that? Like ninety six? I think
that was it?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Were they both in ninety four? There's no way, No,
ninety six was a racer maybe ninety five maybe ninety
six was also Jingle all the way too.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh yeah, you're right. Oh yeah, so maybe it was
ninety five. I don't think it came out the same year.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
As he's like, I'm just gonna accept ninety.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Four, Okay, ninety four, Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I would assume that came out after true lies, because
if you went from last action here to junior, yeah, yeah,
that would be like and I also know that he
didn't go from las section year a junior, so that
was that probably came out the end, like how your
kindergarten copped at the end of the year, like for
the holidays. Yeah, anyway, okay, uh sorry, this is what
happens when I get a little extra timed to write
(20:06):
and like, because I usually I usually want indulge into
that when I'm in a hurry. But okay, speaking of
my mind wandering, I'm assuming we can all agree that
to Rein or two was the peak of Arnold's.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Career, right, I mean, yeah, it's gotta be Okay, what would.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You guys say was the peak? What like was his
peak as an actor? Like as far as ability and performance,
I know there isn't exactly like there's really a wide
range of like as far as the types of Rosie plays.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but what would you go with.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
As far as the options from.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
The one, I think he's still like growing and yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's like he's not in a ton now.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I really think his later less.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, Like my first thought was Maggie.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I was also thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
After myth No.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well yeah, but no, I was no, well, I was
thinking flu bar yes, but I was also thinking the
last Stand yes, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean, if I'm talking about like purely dramatic acting,
it's got to be Maggie, right, Like, I think that's
plays to his strengths in a way that Aftermath doesn't.
Like after Math is a real stretch for him. It's
like a very challenging role.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I was trying to decide between the two, and I
realized that I don't really remember too much of him,
like anything from Aftermath as far as like I remember
being impressed, like when we watched Maggie. Yeah, like, I
don't know, it's just something different. I remember thinking that
he handled he didn't more suited.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I think he's more suited to the role in
Maggie because it's about being a dad. I mean, so no,
after maths, yes, he was he got to be a
dad for about five minutes and aftermath No, he no,
I understand what you're saying. But his whole thing in
aftermath is like just sort of.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Being like dealing with after the fact, like dealing with grief.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's not really being it's not about him losing a
daughter specifically. It's just about dealing with grief, whereas Maggie
is very specifically like his struggle as a father to
a daughter who is going to die. Yeah, I don't
know that that that feels like it plays to his
strength a little bit more. Yeah, he gets to be
like a father figure and sort of Yeah, I don't know.
(22:32):
I think True Lies is pretty good because it also
is similar. He gets to the action stuff. I know
it's not on the same level dramatically, but he gets
to do the action stuff. He also has to do
the family stuff. It felt like a little bit, a
little bit of a stretch compared to what else was
he family guy. I don't know. Definitely, like yeah, like
(22:54):
definitely better than Jingle All the way People.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Was just the same character pretty much right, Like Yeah,
essentially I feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Is like how his family would be if he continued
the story of True Lives well, no.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because she ends up an agent with the True Lies. Yeah,
so I don't know if you never like that, if
True Lies never happened.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I have a bad taste in my mouth from far.
I don't feel like anybody in that show was trying,
except for like, uh, Fortune Fi. I'm sure like I
don't feel like anybody was really doing that great an
acting job. And you know what, Gabriel Luna Gabriel Lunas
was trying.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean I like him, but I like him
don't remember anything about it, so that's not the best.
We got to do a second season, so that'll be fun. Yeah,
but yeah, like I don't know, and probably Maggie. But
as far as like that his more Schwartz and Nagarian
type roles, I'd probably say either Twins or maybe Terminator two.
I guess I don't The Terminator ones are tough because
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it's like you're not the first one, the second one.
The second one a little more. He's got a little
more personality in it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, but Twins was Twins. He's kind of fire all
cylinders and twins.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But yeah, probably True Lies as far as like his
stuff is, like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, it's like a good balance. He has to do
the badass stuff, but he also has to play vulnerable
because he's got to deal with the wife and kids
and yeah, and like facing his own flaws as like
a husband and father. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Uh anyway, I only mentioned that because, according to John mcciernan,
Arnold had been working on expanding his acting skills for
Last Action Hero, with mcinernan saying, quote, he could never
have done that before. He never would have allowed himself.
It made him very vulnerable, and he was very proud
of it. And to be rejected so soundly when he
(24:47):
allowed himself to be so naked, it sort of like
broke his heart. But I suppose that's too flowery a phrase.
It broke him up terribly. Yeah, but yeah, so and
you could tell like he was, which I think is
obviously it is from like Shane Black making the character,
giving the character a little more death, but like his
whole like uh, I'm not real, like the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that that part and uh the part.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
When they go to his apartment, Yeah, when they go
to his apartment, but also when they're in the real
world in the rain looking for Benedict. Yeah, oh yeah,
Danny like pretty much like he's like, yeah, here.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Fucking yeah, SHP doesn't work here. Yeah, yeah, believe in me.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Speaking of that sort of makes his complaints from people
during the test screening kind of sad when they're like, A,
I don't want to see it all sad? Exactly why
is he talking about can you at least be punching
someone while he don't want to see it acts? Exactly
why is he talking to this kid about his dad
dying from cancer?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
God?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Just make what the bang bangs and the funny accent?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Ye, but yeah, like Priterny was saying, Arnold ended up
not taking all his criticism very well, talking about how
he dealt with the embarrassment of the movie not doing
well in his book, with him saying, quote, as always,
I had two voices battling inside my head, the one saying, God,
damn it, oh my god, this is terrible, and the
other saying, I, like, you know what, I have to
think that in his head, He's like, as always, I
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had two voices, the one saying God, damn it, oh
my god, this is terrible, and the other saying, now,
let's see what you are made of? Donald? Because he
calls himself Arnold.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Let's see how buzzy you, How strong are your nerves,
How think is your skin? Let's see if you can
drive around the in a convotible with the top down
and smile at people knowing that they know that you
just came out with the fucking stinka. Let's see if
you can do that.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And the only thing I think you're wrong about is
I think in his head he calls himself mister Universe.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Anyway, so he actually speaks a bit more candidly about
the embarrassment he felt after the movie failed in the
twenty twenty three Netflix documentary about his life, which was
titled Arnold, So I'm gonna show you guys that real.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Fest Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
When Last Action Hero came out, I had reached my
peak after Terminated Too, having the most successful movie of
the year worldwide, not just in America but worldwide. So
at that point it was everyone was cunning to take
me down.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Not everyone is taking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's wild new movie,
The Last Action Hero. In fact, some of the reviews
have been downright nasty. Last Action Hero flies uncommonly close
to Turkeydom.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
I can tell you how upset that it was. It
hurts you, hurts your feelings. It's embarrassing. You get embarrassed
when you watch the Box Office.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I remember calling Arnold on the Saturday morning and I
hadn't really read the new This is James Cameron. I said,
so I had the picture open. He said, terrible. It
sounded like he was like in bed crying. He took
it as like a deep blow to his brand.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think it really shook him. I said, what are
you gonna do? He says, I'm just gonna hang out
by myself. That's the only time I've ever heard him down.
I didn't want to see anyone for a week. But
you keep plotting along. And my mother in law, ASO,
(28:33):
said this all the time. It's just let's just move forward.
Let's just move forward. Let's good move move, move move.
That's a great message.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, but yeah. He also talks about this in his book,
and he actually attributes Maria Shriver with being incredibly supportive
during this time, with her pointing out that the movie
might not have done as well as expected, but he
should still be proud of it because it's a good movie,
and also keep in mind that two thirds of his
movies were hits and their life is good, so don't
I don't trying to take it so seriously. Yeah, but yeah.
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Despite that, he's admitted he still struggled when it came
to keeping up his usual cool, like care free facade.
And this was a this is all in his book,
but saying quote, when you feel embarrassed, like I did,
you tend to assume the whole world is focused on
your failure. I'd go into a restaurant, somebody would be like, oh, hey,
how you doing. I see the new movies out. That's great,
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and I'd feel like, that's great. You motherfucker. Didn't you
read that?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Hins?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But in fact, not everybody reads the La Times or
Variety or goes to see every movie. The poor guy
probably knows nothing about it and just wants to say
something nice. Actually said that, He does end up giving
a few reasons why the movie may have failed, one
being the PG thirteen rating, with him later acknowledging that
it may have been a mistake. In a quote that
(29:49):
I just I love, he says, he says, quote, in hindsight,
if the kids see a PG thirteen rating, they say, well,
I've heard you talk about that, Arnold, you want to
tone down the violin. I'm not interested in that. I
want to have the limbs come off. I want to
have the heads come off, like a total recall. I
want to see bodies flying around. Quote that man is
(30:10):
away with words flying around. They need to be dead bodies.
Though that's true also, but at least that reason makes sense,
like a little a lot more sense than another one
that he mentioned a few times over the years, with
him basically agreeing with John mctern and that all of
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the negative media coverage like pre release ended up hurting
the movie at the box office, but like the media
only went after them because of how arrogantly overconfident the
studio was, right, Yeah, yeah, like marketing exactly, like the
way they were hyping the movie is the greatest thing
ever and the over the top promo stunts.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well not according to Arnold, well yeah, who claims that
actually the beating that both he and the movie took
for the media was in fact politically motivated. Yeah, with
Arnold telling The Hollywood Reporter in twenty twenty three that
the media went after the movie before they even saw
it and that the onslaught of negative media coverage was
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actually a political attack leveled against Arnold due to him
campaigning for George H. W. Bush during the nineteen ninety
two presidential election. And have I mentioned before that he
sort of like worked with the first Bush administration.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I don't think so. I mean, maybe it was mentioned
in Passing, but I don't think we wanted to detail
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Maybe just a quick mention in the kindergarten copy episode
of Anything. But yeah, So he was the chairman of
the President's Council on Physical Fitness and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh yeah, I don't remember that he was.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So he was a chairman from sorry, nineteen ninety to
nineteen ninety three, and he was appointed by Bush Senior,
who I guess he was pretty good friends with. Even
had a nickname for Arnold Conan the Republican, which I
was gonna make fun of, but it's kind of clever, gues,
I mean whatever, Yeah, sure, no, I'm sure it feels
worse now than it did that maybe. But anyway, as
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far as the media going after him in the movie,
he goes into a little bit more detail about in
his book, saying, quote, as long as I've been on
a roll. I've never been attacked for being a Republican,
even though Hollywood and the entertainment press are generally liberal.
Now that I was down, they could unload. Reagan and
Bush were out. Republicans were out, and so were mindless
action movies and all that macho shit. Now was the
(32:23):
time for Bill Clinton and Tom Hanks and movies that
had meaning unquote and yeah, nineteen ninety three was totally
a time for movies that I'd meeting, like in the
line of Fire Minas Society son in law, Moti's two.
You know, you know he does a funny walk in
that I don't know then it's the.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Menace Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, that actually made me curious. And this is me
just totally over analyzing stuff. But do you guys think
it's possible that one of the reasons he believes the
media backlash had to do with politics is because he
had a pretty substantial role with the more obvious reasons,
Like in the more obvious reasons, like he was a
big part of that, like the marketing campaign over hyping
(33:09):
the movie. Yeah, Like he was pretty much in charge
of more or less in charge of the marketing campaign. Yeah,
And again speculation, but we've all been there before. You
just you just can't get like you kind of lined yourself.
You're kind of so out of touch that you're just
principal skinnering it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah. Well, I also I feel like that's a thing
that happens a lot in Hollywood. Is every Republican in
Hollywood thinks he's a fucking martyr.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, I don't know, man, what current stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, but even taking I don't know, even not
taking into account the last fifteen years and the weird
political stuff that's been going on, I feel like everyone
who's a Republican in Hollywood thinks that they're fucking being oppressed.
I don't know. Yeah, like which, like, don't get me wrong,
Hollywood to be on the liberal side, Yeah, even to
(34:03):
an annoying degree often, like you know, shitty liberal celebrities.
But I don't know, I mean, they're.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
They're usually those shitty liberal celebrities celebrities. Their intentions are good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They're just they're just like they're out of touch, like
you exactly, They're they're all out of touch. It's just
that you know, most of them align themselves liberally.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
And yeah, yeah, by the way, I'm was not implying
that that was true. Good because I don't know Jack
Dick about how the media works or why they do
the things they do. It's just that he's he's so
like moderate.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
For Republican, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And definitely progressive.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And I mean that, like the moderate and progressive thing
is one hundred percent like a positive thing because I
don't know a ton about his political beliefs, which is stupid,
but I do know that these pro environment not all
like one of those dumb assholes global warming kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, he hasn't like dug his heels in and tripled
down on all the conservative bullshit that most of them do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, and he's he's always been like that, and he's
a little a little more I don't know exactly how much,
but i'd know he's like a little more pro gay
fort lgbt yeah, LGBTQ. Yeah then everybody, yeah pretty much anyway.
So yeah, when it came to like pointing fingers at
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the responsible party, Unlike John McTiernan, Arnold made sure to
let it be known that he did not blame the
studio for any of the problems that were the movie fased,
but in such an awesomely backhanded way, saying quote, I
could have sit here all day and say, those motherfuckers.
They didn't come through with the promise, they didn't bring
(35:38):
the trailer out. The ad campaign was shitty. John McTiernan
is a low forehead never again. But that's not the case,
because I love those guys. They're a great team. Everyone
did their best and no one short changed anyone unquote.
But it's just a that's just I love it. He's
not talking about them, but he's also kind of talking.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Shit about I wouldn't say those things exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I don't blame anyone, not Mark Canton with his little gullia,
not even Anthony Quinn with his flabby old man body.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
No, I wouldn't say that exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Good guys. By the way, Arnold is one of the
few people who to this day still speaks fondly of
the movie. In fact, in that same Hollywood Report article
that he mentioned the political stuff, he also calls Last
Section Hero his most underrated film.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I would agree, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Saying quote, Last Section Hero was great. It wasn't fantastic,
but it was underrated. Now more and more people are
saying and saying I love this movie. I'm getting the
residual checks, so I know that's great. I guess that's
good for now.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's okay, okay, yeah, We'll stop there, but we will
be back, hopefully later this week to finally finish off
the production stuff for real. This time, you can look
forward to a sh shorter episode where we check out
some promo videos as well as learn a bit about
the Arnold movie that was lost to time, at least
partially due to the underwhelming performance of Last Action Hero.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, and welcome to see you what the potty Richter.
My name is Chris Chapman, and joining me as always
is my co host Aaron Frescus. Hey, and joining us
once again a special guest is eric A. Shasky. Hello,
and we are going to continue our coverage of Arnold's
(00:32):
nineteen ninety three action comedy movie Thing. Yeah. So I'm
gonna hand it over to Aaron because he's gonna tell
us some more stuff about the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah. Also, Joe's not here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's his birthday today, so yep, so we have murdered him.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Okay, what nothing that's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We have arranged a the Game style situation for him,
So I'm not here for a few weeks. Yeah, so
if you hear some gunshots in the background, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, all right. I have a few promo videos that
we're going to check out, But before we get to those,
I figured, why, hey, why not close out our production
coverage by finding out how Last Section hero Is key
players dealt with the film bombing both critically and commercially.
And if I know anything about these show business types,
I'm sure they'll have no problem with taking their share
of the responsibility for the film's failure, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, known for their integrity, these people.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Exactly exactly and not passing off the blame at all. No, yeah, anyway, okay, yeah,
So let's start off with the head honcho, Columbia Pictures
chairman Mark Canton, who, according to the book Hit and Run,
was rumored to have spent his Fourth of July weekend
nineteen ninety three quote slumped in a chair in his
den like Michael Corleone in The Godfather Part two, watching
(01:58):
a print of Jurassic Park over and over again, yeah, unquote.
And I really hope that's true, because it's just funny
and sad at the same time.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, it's I don't know, really sad, Yeah, but funny too,
because fuck that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Just just sitting there watching the scene where Jeff Goldbloom's like,
you were so preoccupied if you could, you didn't think
about it, if you should, he rewinds it and plays
it again.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think the only thing funnier would be like if
it was like like a little less Michael corleyon The
Godfather too, and a little more like Leonardo DiCaprio from
The Aviator, Like he already locks himself in the theater
and he's just just watching traffic park, all naked and
scraggly haired somehow, with like a full beard and over
like a weekend jars a p sitting in the corner
of the room. Anyway, of course, old MOPI Mark denied
(02:54):
that this happened. It denied the rumors. Yeah, basically writing
them off is ridiculous by saying, quote, oh please, what
are you kidding? Why would I be doing that? The
jars of go in the center of the room.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
They give the film a nice sepia tone when I
put him in front of the.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Projector I might have misquoted him on that last part,
but the rest of it was, Yes, it was like
up until the peapart, it was why would I be
doing that?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Anyway. By the way, Kenton actually did take some responsibility
for the film's failure, or at least as much as
a studio head is actually willing to take, yeah, because
he admitted that he was wrong for assuming that just
the fact that Arnold was starring in the film meant
that it would be a guaranteed success.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, which is true, Yeah, but ouch for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
At the same time, he's not taking responsibility for any
particular thing he did.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, exactly, like I said, as much as one will.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Ouch on Arnold's.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Part, yeah, kind of, I see it, Like, oh, I
thought he was a bigger star than he was, but
clearly no.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He was as big as they think he was.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But I think they just like that's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's a little bit the undertone of
that statement. Yeah, Like, man, I don't know, that's a
hell of an ego check right there. Damn sorry, but yeah.
So he also admitted that the short production schedule was
a problem, saying quote, I would never want to make
that date again. You're promising something too extraordinary and it
can just cause backlash.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Hey there you go, buddy.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He then says something that made it seem like maybe
he didn't actually learn anything from all this when he
like continues by saying, quote, failure is not the end game.
It is an almost inevitable cul de sac on the
road to success. Yeah. So, I mean that's a good
attitude to have as like a person, but like, yeah,
(04:53):
that's not good for a studio doing creative shite. Just
because this one suck doesn't mean the next was gonna suck.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, this one was supposed to fail. You guys got
to see the next one.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
This one didn't fail as bad as the next one will,
or this one didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It wasn't as bad as Bonfire the Vanities exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is at least a nicer cul de sac.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, but yeah. Canton remained as Columbia Pictures chairman for
a few more years before Like eventually being fired in
nineteen ninety six. And surprisingly, he wasn't the only studio
executive who admitted fault, because good old Sid Gannis, Columbia's
head of marketing, also shouldered his share of the blame.
This is actually it's not so like however, Mark Kin's
(05:39):
was anyway, So he says, quote, the goal was to
create a blockbuster. Instead it was a debacle, And the
reason was it wasn't a bad movie. My son has
watched it and he's told me it's not a bad movie.
What happened was we just handled it all wrong. And I,
the man who had done the Star Wars trilogy, I
was the one who handled it. It was me who
fucked it up. Wowstead of withholding we strutted so that
(06:01):
the press all they could say to us was oh yeah,
oh yeah, which I think it just it just says
oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But yeah, all they could say to us was oh
yeah yeah, and they said it time and time again
unquote and actually kind of like it's impressive, that's like owned, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Very candid, and like, yeah, took responsibility for a not
very good marketing campaign.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, And I'm like, I'm surprised that the studio executives
were actually willing to accept responsibility for the film. I'd
say that they were probably also the ones that were
most responsible for like ninety percent of the problems that
they ended up dealing with, definitely, which really sucks because
their dumb shit decisions basically meant that people were giving
ship for the film quote unquote sucking that probably shouldn't
have taken like so much of the blame.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, like John McK tiernan, for instance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, the director, Uh what's uh? So people were shitty
about Austin O'Brien too, Yes, yeah, so Shane.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Black was shitty about it? Was it just Shane Black?
I think it might have just been Shane Black. I
feel like it was the.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Other two as well as Zach Penn and yeah, Adam Laught,
Penn and Laught I remember they said something. I don't
remember few specifically about the kid, but yeah, either.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Way anyway, But yeah. John McTiernan, which sucks for him
because he was basically handcuffed by the studio, is almost
like unrealistically impractical production schedule. Yeah, it prevented him making
the best movie possible. But now I was thinking about it,
and I guess he technically did make the best movie
he could have.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, given the situation exactly wanted. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, And it wasn't helped by the fact that the
media took pretty much any opportunity to shit on the
film before it was even released, which John McTiernan basically
called unfair like later called unfair saying quote in some
other circumstance, people might have, if not applauded, at least
noticed the attempt to make an honest movie. It can't
be articulate about that. I guess I'm still too hurt.
Oh damn Jesus, I'm telling you, they broke him seriously
(08:06):
makes sense what he did, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
but because of all this, mc turning decided to take
a break from Hollywood, saying again another quote, but saying
that he quote went home and didn't talk to anybody
for about a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Jesus stayed in.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Wyoming and did the Hey just basically said, he's like,
I just had to lick my wound stamp. Yeah, he's.
He's also admitted in a few different interviews over the
years that the film didn't really stand a chance against
Jurassic Park and basically blamed the studios, called the studio
stupid for being too stubborn to move the release state. Yeah,
definitely for the last section yeero, and by the way,
(08:42):
I might be forgetting someone. But it seems like the
film's failure didn't really have too much of a negative
impact on anyone's careers ex accept.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Me by Arnold, but like, yeah, anyone involved in the movie,
it probably had. It probably affected other movies that were
in production at collebe.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, sorry involved with the movie is what. Yeah, Yeah,
it didn't like hurt their careers with the except maybe Arnold,
which people say anyway, we'll get to that in a second.
But yeah, because John McKy Triernon would eventually bounce back
in nineteen ninety five with Diehard with the Vengeance.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, and I think is that the best Diehard.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I've never seen that one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Actually, Oh, okay, so I've never seen that one either,
But yeah, I feel like people like number three a lot, really.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Number Yeah, I remember number three being really popular, but
also those I haven't seen the second one because one
was fine. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, one season the gist.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, anyway, I think it possibly like its first her careers.
I think it possibly may have hurt the writer's careers
a bit if one, they like most of the writers,
weren't already super established at that point.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And two I think there were way too many, like,
way too many of them to like pinted on one
person because the only two whose careers I think could
have been hurt by it that pen Adam laft or
kicked off it. Like yeah, So I don't know. Zach
Penn actually spoke about the movie in a bunch of articles,
but I didn't pull any quotes because honestly, he just
kind of bugs me.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't remember seeing the kid and anything else.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He was in My Girl too, and then he was
before this. He was in prehysteria or prehistoria, but which
is about little tiny dinosaurs. I don't know, I remember watching.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's in prehistory prehysteria. I think a
camera was called. It's the only thing that I know
him from. But uh, I think he was. I'm sure
he was in a few things after My Girl too.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, he played the resurrected like mcaulay Culkin went into
his like Naculay Culkin's character went into his body possessed,
but he was possessed by the ghost of mcaulay culkin.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The ghost miss weird.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah what did you watch the person? You watched the
Persone right?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, so yeah it got it got super weird because
she like does like Ouiji boards stuff and then a
Coulie Culkin like goes into the goat like goat like, yeah,
she pretty much brings him back. Yeah, it gets weird.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
That's uh all right.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, the weird The sad part was when he goes
and tries to convince his mom that's him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, did the mom slap him?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, she was started crying and then he ended up leaving. Yeah,
Erica is in for a shock when she watches My
Girl Too, mother.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
And I just I'm I don't know if I believe
you right now or not.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's like, what is this bullshit?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Okay continue.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He was in four episodes of Touch by an Angel
and that's kind of it.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I used to really like that show.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I used to watch that show.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I've seen the show.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That's what that's what uh our parents watched. Yeah, it
was fine, like it was just a weekly it was.
It was Law and Order g O D. But yeah,
it was it was no, no, no, like what people Sin,
the angels help him out.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I don't even think it was about Sin. I think
it was just like it was more like an A
Team situation. They just go around helping people. Man.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I really wish I wish I would have edit because
I would totally edit fucking mister.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
T And yeahs and to Touch by an Angel. Was
that lady's name Dela Reice del Rese. Yeah that's right anyway,
uh so sorry. She was on the eight team really
one episode as missus barakas nice.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
See maybe she oh my god, what if she was
his husband? But she died during some time between when
the A Team ended and like when Touch my angel started.
It's the same person. Yeah, oh man, that's good. Perfect,
It's in the same universe. Yeah, she's an angel.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What's What's I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I lay's name Monica Monica or that's I think it's
their name on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Maybe Patio Hurlahan.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Wow, I don't know. I just remembered seeing the people
on it Romantowney.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah. Anyway, So I do have a one quick quote
from Shane Black, who, as we know, is not a
fan of the finished film, and uh he later said
about it, quote, it should have been a movie about
wonder and sadness. It was instead a movie about crowd
pleasing moments where little boys are just screaming. Yeah, like
we're supposed to cheer, Like we were supposed to cheer.
(13:49):
I don't know. I'm trying to satisfying an audience and
making them cheer two different things. I think that in
last section Hero, they made this very obvious movie that
tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing essentially no
one unquoted good burn out. Yeah. I could have used
a few more fart jokes, but it was a good
burn anyway. But yeah, like I was saying, the only
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one whose career. I guess you could maybe say was
hurt by the film's failure was Arnold, but also not
really because his movies going forward but were still successful
until I think the Sixth Day or like in Collateral Damage,
I think the Sixth Day did all right, and then
Collateral Damage actually lost money. But then like he like
Terminator three was after that. So yeah, anyway, they just
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weren't as successful as everything before Last Action Hero.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, and that sincerely doubt that really has anything to
do with Last Exact heuro so much as Terminator two
was an insane success exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Because pretty much every actor has like a career peak
and his just happened to be Terminator two.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And he sort of touches on this in his book
when while discussing the aftermath of Last Action Hero, mentioning
how at the time he would tell himself that the
movie not doing well would have no impact on his career,
and then it didn't really matter anyway, because quote, at
one point or another, you're going to get a sorry.
At one point or another, you're going to get the beating.
(15:09):
Yeah it's written like you talk, so like it like
throws me off. Anyways, funny. It could have been another movie.
It could have been three years later, it could have
been five years later, unquote, but that actually made me wonder. Okay,
so let's say Columbia actually had pushed the release date
in order to fine tune the movie a little bit, like, yeah,
maybe even held a few, like a few more test
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screenings to get a better idea of what doesn't like,
what works, and what doesn't, as well as like giving
them the appropriate amount of time or like at least
in a reasonable amount of time for post production.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So, like, let's say they did all that stuff and
the movie actually ended up doing okay critically, which would
help it's like boost its box office numbers a little
bit at least.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Plus it would probably just get a basic boost from
not being right next to the Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah exactly, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, like
it still like would be no Jurassic Park. Sure, but
let's say it was like a moderate success, like something
like a kindergarten cop. Yeah, which was I would say
a little more than a moderate success. But sure. Anyway,
if all that happened, which movie of his do you
guys think he eventually would have gotten all that shit
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from the media about like that he got for Last
Action Hero.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I got to be Junior, right, see it, Like I
don't know how Junior did, but like I can't imagine
it's amazing. Maybe I'm wrong. I just even at the time,
I don't remember that movie being like popular, like people
thinking that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, that was my note, I said, Junior. But then
I did a quick look at the numbers and I'm
not sure if it was considered a bomb, but it
didn't look like it actually lost money, got it. Plus,
like they just went in for it like before, because
they were attacking him as far as Last Section Hero,
like it seems like they were pretty much rooting for
him and the movie to fail pretty much from the beginning. Yeah,
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and then went in for the kill when the movie
didn't turn out to be as good as they were
like hyping it up to be, Yeah, which I don't
think they were doing with Junior. And I don't think
happened again again. I was my poor, uh research skills
before this. I don't think happened again until Batman and Robin.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah. Yeah, Okay, so I kind of forgot about Batman
and rob that's probably that's probably the one because I
think I think people probably give him a lot of
slack when he does comedy.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes, you know what I mean, so like and it
was an adult comedy. Yeah, I think it was still
PG thirteen, but Jennior was PG thirteen too or not
Junior twins, right, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was it was it?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I want to say it was, thought was.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I don't really because.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It could be totally wrong PG Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I thought it was at least PG thirteen. Okay,
well I was wrong, but yeah, I know it wasn't
researching as thoroughly back then, like we covered Batman and
Robin h But from what I remember, all that vuture
like was mostly aimed at Joel Schumacher.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And I'm curious. So I'm curious if it would have
got like shifted because they're just waiting for him to,
like he said, they're basically like waiting for him to
like fail.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Or whatever, like you know, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And I also think that maybe one of his last
movies besides TREMANR. Three that was as hyped up as
like I sorry, I think that that was one of
his last movies that was as hyped up as is
like movies were in the late eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, but that movie made money, although I'm curious if
it's numbers would have taken a little dip if that
would have happened. It's also a Batman movie, so it's
like established, what ip?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, so's it's a little bit more bulletproof than
those other two movies.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Last Action Hero or definitely Last Action it's like original, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Exactly have you seen Junior?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Sorr. I was trying to think, like which movie you
would think that he would start getting shipped for, but
like Junior, see, I think he was, which I'm curious to, like, yeah,
you have.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You have a like person that's typecast for a very
specific type of role, and then all of a sudden
he's playing a pregnant guy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like yeah, but at that point, what was that that was?
I think it was Last Section Hero, True Lives and
then Junior.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So what what is that? Like ninety six? I think
that was it?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Were they both in ninety four? There's no way, No,
ninety six was a racer maybe ninety five maybe ninety
six was also Jingle all the way too.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh yeah, you're right. Oh yeah, so maybe it was
ninety five. I don't think it came out the same year.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
As he's like, I'm just gonna accept ninety.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Four, Okay, ninety four, Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I would assume that came out after true lies, because
if you went from last action here to junior, yeah, yeah,
that would be like and I also know that he
didn't go from las section year a junior, so that
was that probably came out the end, like how your
kindergarten copped at the end of the year, like for
the holidays. Yeah, anyway, okay, uh sorry, this is what
happens when I get a little extra timed to write
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and like, because I usually I usually want indulge into
that when I'm in a hurry. But okay, speaking of
my mind wandering, I'm assuming we can all agree that
to Rein or two was the peak of Arnold's.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Career, right, I mean, yeah, it's gotta be Okay, what would.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You guys say was the peak? What like was his
peak as an actor? Like as far as ability and performance,
I know there isn't exactly like there's really a wide
range of like as far as the types of Rosie plays.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but what would you go with.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
As far as the options from.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
The one, I think he's still like growing and yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's like he's not in a ton now.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I really think his later less.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, Like my first thought was Maggie.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I was also thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
After myth No.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well yeah, but no, I was no, well, I was
thinking flu bar yes, but I was also thinking the
last Stand yes, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean, if I'm talking about like purely dramatic acting,
it's got to be Maggie, right, Like, I think that's
plays to his strengths in a way that Aftermath doesn't.
Like after Math is a real stretch for him. It's
like a very challenging role.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I was trying to decide between the two, and I
realized that I don't really remember too much of him,
like anything from Aftermath as far as like I remember
being impressed, like when we watched Maggie. Yeah, like, I
don't know, it's just something different. I remember thinking that
he handled he didn't more suited.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I think he's more suited to the role in
Maggie because it's about being a dad. I mean, so no,
after maths, yes, he was he got to be a
dad for about five minutes and aftermath No, he no,
I understand what you're saying. But his whole thing in
aftermath is like just sort of.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Being like dealing with after the fact, like dealing with grief.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's not really being it's not about him losing a
daughter specifically. It's just about dealing with grief, whereas Maggie
is very specifically like his struggle as a father to
a daughter who is going to die. Yeah, I don't
know that that that feels like it plays to his
strength a little bit more. Yeah, he gets to be
like a father figure and sort of Yeah, I don't know.
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I think True Lies is pretty good because it also
is similar. He gets to the action stuff. I know
it's not on the same level dramatically, but he gets
to do the action stuff. He also has to do
the family stuff. It felt like a little bit, a
little bit of a stretch compared to what else was
he family guy. I don't know. Definitely, like yeah, like
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definitely better than Jingle All the way People.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Was just the same character pretty much right, Like Yeah,
essentially I feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Is like how his family would be if he continued
the story of True Lives well, no.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because she ends up an agent with the True Lies. Yeah,
so I don't know if you never like that, if
True Lies never happened.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I have a bad taste in my mouth from far.
I don't feel like anybody in that show was trying,
except for like, uh, Fortune Fi. I'm sure like I
don't feel like anybody was really doing that great an
acting job. And you know what, Gabriel Luna Gabriel Lunas
was trying.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean I like him, but I like him
don't remember anything about it, so that's not the best.
We got to do a second season, so that'll be fun. Yeah,
but yeah, like I don't know, and probably Maggie. But
as far as like that his more Schwartz and Nagarian
type roles, I'd probably say either Twins or maybe Terminator two.
I guess I don't The Terminator ones are tough because
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it's like you're not the first one, the second one.
The second one a little more. He's got a little
more personality in it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, but Twins was Twins. He's kind of fire all
cylinders and twins.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But yeah, probably True Lies as far as like his
stuff is, like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, it's like a good balance. He has to do
the badass stuff, but he also has to play vulnerable
because he's got to deal with the wife and kids
and yeah, and like facing his own flaws as like
a husband and father. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Uh anyway, I only mentioned that because, according to John mcciernan,
Arnold had been working on expanding his acting skills for
Last Action Hero, with mcinernan saying, quote, he could never
have done that before. He never would have allowed himself.
It made him very vulnerable, and he was very proud
of it. And to be rejected so soundly when he
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allowed himself to be so naked, it sort of like
broke his heart. But I suppose that's too flowery a phrase.
It broke him up terribly. Yeah, but yeah, so and
you could tell like he was, which I think is
obviously it is from like Shane Black making the character,
giving the character a little more death, but like his
whole like uh, I'm not real, like the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that that part and uh the part.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
When they go to his apartment, Yeah, when they go
to his apartment, but also when they're in the real
world in the rain looking for Benedict. Yeah, oh yeah,
Danny like pretty much like he's like, yeah, here.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Fucking yeah, SHP doesn't work here. Yeah, yeah, believe in me.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Speaking of that sort of makes his complaints from people
during the test screening kind of sad when they're like, A,
I don't want to see it all sad? Exactly why
is he talking about can you at least be punching
someone while he don't want to see it acts? Exactly
why is he talking to this kid about his dad
dying from cancer?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
God?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Just make what the bang bangs and the funny accent?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Ye, but yeah, like Priterny was saying, Arnold ended up
not taking all his criticism very well, talking about how
he dealt with the embarrassment of the movie not doing
well in his book, with him saying, quote, as always,
I had two voices battling inside my head, the one saying, God,
damn it, oh my god, this is terrible, and the
other saying, I, like, you know what, I have to
think that in his head, He's like, as always, I
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had two voices, the one saying God, damn it, oh
my god, this is terrible, and the other saying, now,
let's see what you are made of? Donald? Because he
calls himself Arnold.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Let's see how buzzy you, How strong are your nerves,
How think is your skin? Let's see if you can
drive around the in a convotible with the top down
and smile at people knowing that they know that you
just came out with the fucking stinka. Let's see if
you can do that.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And the only thing I think you're wrong about is
I think in his head he calls himself mister Universe.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Anyway, so he actually speaks a bit more candidly about
the embarrassment he felt after the movie failed in the
twenty twenty three Netflix documentary about his life, which was
titled Arnold, So I'm gonna show you guys that real.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Fest Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
When Last Action Hero came out, I had reached my
peak after Terminated Too, having the most successful movie of
the year worldwide, not just in America but worldwide. So
at that point it was everyone was cunning to take
me down.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Not everyone is taking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's wild new movie,
The Last Action Hero. In fact, some of the reviews
have been downright nasty. Last Action Hero flies uncommonly close
to Turkeydom.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
I can tell you how upset that it was. It
hurts you, hurts your feelings. It's embarrassing. You get embarrassed
when you watch the Box Office.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I remember calling Arnold on the Saturday morning and I
hadn't really read the new This is James Cameron. I said,
so I had the picture open. He said, terrible. It
sounded like he was like in bed crying. He took
it as like a deep blow to his brand.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think it really shook him. I said, what are
you gonna do? He says, I'm just gonna hang out
by myself. That's the only time I've ever heard him down.
I didn't want to see anyone for a week. But
you keep plotting along. And my mother in law, ASO,
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said this all the time. It's just let's just move forward.
Let's just move forward. Let's good move move, move move.
That's a great message.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, but yeah. He also talks about this in his book,
and he actually attributes Maria Shriver with being incredibly supportive
during this time, with her pointing out that the movie
might not have done as well as expected, but he
should still be proud of it because it's a good movie,
and also keep in mind that two thirds of his
movies were hits and their life is good, so don't
I don't trying to take it so seriously. Yeah, but yeah.
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Despite that, he's admitted he still struggled when it came
to keeping up his usual cool, like care free facade.
And this was a this is all in his book,
but saying quote, when you feel embarrassed, like I did,
you tend to assume the whole world is focused on
your failure. I'd go into a restaurant, somebody would be like, oh, hey,
how you doing. I see the new movies out. That's great,
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and I'd feel like, that's great. You motherfucker. Didn't you
read that?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Hins?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But in fact, not everybody reads the La Times or
Variety or goes to see every movie. The poor guy
probably knows nothing about it and just wants to say
something nice. Actually said that, He does end up giving
a few reasons why the movie may have failed, one
being the PG thirteen rating, with him later acknowledging that
it may have been a mistake. In a quote that
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I just I love, he says, he says, quote, in hindsight,
if the kids see a PG thirteen rating, they say, well,
I've heard you talk about that, Arnold, you want to
tone down the violin. I'm not interested in that. I
want to have the limbs come off. I want to
have the heads come off, like a total recall. I
want to see bodies flying around. Quote that man is
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away with words flying around. They need to be dead bodies.
Though that's true also, but at least that reason makes sense,
like a little a lot more sense than another one
that he mentioned a few times over the years, with
him basically agreeing with John mctern and that all of
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the negative media coverage like pre release ended up hurting
the movie at the box office, but like the media
only went after them because of how arrogantly overconfident the
studio was, right, Yeah, yeah, like marketing exactly, like the
way they were hyping the movie is the greatest thing
ever and the over the top promo stunts.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well not according to Arnold, well yeah, who claims that
actually the beating that both he and the movie took
for the media was in fact politically motivated. Yeah, with
Arnold telling The Hollywood Reporter in twenty twenty three that
the media went after the movie before they even saw
it and that the onslaught of negative media coverage was
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actually a political attack leveled against Arnold due to him
campaigning for George H. W. Bush during the nineteen ninety
two presidential election. And have I mentioned before that he
sort of like worked with the first Bush administration.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I don't think so. I mean, maybe it was mentioned
in Passing, but I don't think we wanted to detail
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Maybe just a quick mention in the kindergarten copy episode
of Anything. But yeah, So he was the chairman of
the President's Council on Physical Fitness and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh yeah, I don't remember that he was.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So he was a chairman from sorry, nineteen ninety to
nineteen ninety three, and he was appointed by Bush Senior,
who I guess he was pretty good friends with. Even
had a nickname for Arnold Conan the Republican, which I
was gonna make fun of, but it's kind of clever, gues,
I mean whatever, Yeah, sure, no, I'm sure it feels
worse now than it did that maybe. But anyway, as
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far as the media going after him in the movie,
he goes into a little bit more detail about in
his book, saying, quote, as long as I've been on
a roll. I've never been attacked for being a Republican,
even though Hollywood and the entertainment press are generally liberal.
Now that I was down, they could unload. Reagan and
Bush were out. Republicans were out, and so were mindless
action movies and all that macho shit. Now was the
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time for Bill Clinton and Tom Hanks and movies that
had meaning unquote and yeah, nineteen ninety three was totally
a time for movies that I'd meeting, like in the
line of Fire Minas Society son in law, Moti's two.
You know, you know he does a funny walk in
that I don't know then it's the.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Menace Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, that actually made me curious. And this is me
just totally over analyzing stuff. But do you guys think
it's possible that one of the reasons he believes the
media backlash had to do with politics is because he
had a pretty substantial role with the more obvious reasons,
Like in the more obvious reasons, like he was a
big part of that, like the marketing campaign over hyping
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the movie. Yeah, Like he was pretty much in charge
of more or less in charge of the marketing campaign. Yeah,
And again speculation, but we've all been there before. You
just you just can't get like you kind of lined yourself.
You're kind of so out of touch that you're just
principal skinnering it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah. Well, I also I feel like that's a thing
that happens a lot in Hollywood. Is every Republican in
Hollywood thinks he's a fucking martyr.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, I don't know, man, what current stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, but even taking I don't know, even not
taking into account the last fifteen years and the weird
political stuff that's been going on, I feel like everyone
who's a Republican in Hollywood thinks that they're fucking being oppressed.
I don't know. Yeah, like which, like, don't get me wrong,
Hollywood to be on the liberal side, Yeah, even to
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an annoying degree often, like you know, shitty liberal celebrities.
But I don't know, I mean, they're.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
They're usually those shitty liberal celebrities celebrities. Their intentions are good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They're just they're just like they're out of touch, like
you exactly, They're they're all out of touch. It's just
that you know, most of them align themselves liberally.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
And yeah, yeah, by the way, I'm was not implying
that that was true. Good because I don't know Jack
Dick about how the media works or why they do
the things they do. It's just that he's he's so
like moderate.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
For Republican, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And definitely progressive.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And I mean that, like the moderate and progressive thing
is one hundred percent like a positive thing because I
don't know a ton about his political beliefs, which is stupid,
but I do know that these pro environment not all
like one of those dumb assholes global warming kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, he hasn't like dug his heels in and tripled
down on all the conservative bullshit that most of them do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, and he's he's always been like that, and he's
a little a little more I don't know exactly how much,
but i'd know he's like a little more pro gay
fort lgbt yeah, LGBTQ. Yeah then everybody, yeah pretty much anyway.
So yeah, when it came to like pointing fingers at
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the responsible party, Unlike John McTiernan, Arnold made sure to
let it be known that he did not blame the
studio for any of the problems that were the movie fased,
but in such an awesomely backhanded way, saying quote, I
could have sit here all day and say, those motherfuckers.
They didn't come through with the promise, they didn't bring
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the trailer out. The ad campaign was shitty. John McTiernan
is a low forehead never again. But that's not the case,
because I love those guys. They're a great team. Everyone
did their best and no one short changed anyone unquote.
But it's just a that's just I love it. He's
not talking about them, but he's also kind of talking.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Shit about I wouldn't say those things exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I don't blame anyone, not Mark Canton with his little gullia,
not even Anthony Quinn with his flabby old man body.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
No, I wouldn't say that exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Good guys. By the way, Arnold is one of the
few people who to this day still speaks fondly of
the movie. In fact, in that same Hollywood Report article
that he mentioned the political stuff, he also calls Last
Section Hero his most underrated film.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I would agree, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Saying quote, Last Section Hero was great. It wasn't fantastic,
but it was underrated. Now more and more people are
saying and saying I love this movie. I'm getting the
residual checks, so I know that's great. I guess that's
good for now.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's okay, okay, yeah, We'll stop there, but we will
be back, hopefully later this week to finally finish off
the production stuff for real. This time, you can look
forward to a sh shorter episode where we check out
some promo videos as well as learn a bit about
the Arnold movie that was lost to time, at least
partially due to the underwhelming performance of Last Action Hero.
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