July 29, 2024 • 71 mins
What happens when a radiant Gemini like Meg embraces the duality of her nature? You’ll find out as we welcome Meg, a social media sensation whose journey of joy and play has captured many hearts. Meg shares how she balances her playful and contemplative sides, and why maintaining a lighthearted perspective is crucial for spiritual growth. Together, we challenge societal expectations and highlight the necessity of joy, laughter and pleasure in our spiritual journeys.
Ever wondered what it truly means for women to reclaim their pleasure? This episode is a powerful exploration of the journey towards self-pleasure and empowerment. We discuss breaking free from societal conditioning, the stigma surrounding women's pleasure, and how pleasure is connected to abundance. Personal stories reveal the shift from seeking external validation to finding intrinsic joy and the empowerment that comes from owning one’s desires and boundaries.
Join us as we explore the diverse female archetypes, the maiden, the mother and the crone. With a special focus on the lesser known wild woman. From redefining intimacy in long-term relationships to tackling the challenges of discussing sexuality openly, especially as a married mother, we leave no stone unturned. We also touch on the censorship faced on social media and the importance of having diverse voices in conversations about pleasure and intimacy. This episode is a celebration of authenticity, self-discovery, and the joy that comes from embracing one’s true self.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everyone to another episode of See you
on the Other Side.
I am here with Meg.
I don't know what that beep was.
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay we're just going to go with it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are here with Meg today and I am so excited to
introduce her to all of you guys.
I found Meg I don't knowprobably six months ago and one
of the reasons why I resonatedwith her social media platform
is because it was just fun, likeyour page brings so much joy
(00:35):
and positivity and laughter, andlike I really resonated with it
and related to it and so, hello, meg, resonated with it and
related to it and so hello, meg,hello, we are so happy to have
you on here.
But, like I said, like all ofyour social media is so very
(00:58):
free spirited and upbeat andpositive and there's, I feel,
like a lot of laughter and joyand can you kind of share with
the listeners, like a little bitabout you and like your journey
?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, um, so I'm a Gemini and I feel like Gemini
gets a really bad rap on anyastrology page because on the
surface level people see twinsand they're immediately like
kind of they go into like meangirl programming of, like oh,
(01:32):
that must mean two-faced orflaky, and and so a lot of
people just quickly interpretgemini as like two-faced, when
in actuality Gemini is like therepresentation of dualism, and
so we can move like very quicklyand we're air too.
(01:52):
So it's like we move veryquickly between this duality.
And so I really feel like I Icame to this earth to be a
representation of versatilityand duality and and part of that
, part of my dualism is beingvery lighthearted and joyful and
playful, but also having thisvery like tortured poet soul as
(02:17):
well, like very deep, veryobservant.
I'm in my head a lot, and sofor me I can spiral very quickly
.
I mean just ask my husband likeI can really spiral into a
state where I'm just likecontemplating like the deep
(02:38):
meaning of life and what is thepoint of all of this.
And so for me, joy and play andand really opening up to a
lighthearted perspective, I meanit saved my life, you know.
So I feel like you know, likewhen I, when I first started
teaching yoga, um, I very muchpushed the playful sailor mouth
(03:04):
like stylish fascinista like out, because I was like that's not
spiritual enough and peoplewon't take me seriously as a you
know someone, a wise personteaching spiritual principles,
(03:24):
principles.
And then a couple of yearslater, something hit me and I
was like no, actually I feellike the point of spirituality
and spiritual growth is toreally blossom into your full
authentic expression, and myauthentic expression is joy and
playfulness and silliness, whilealso being, you know, anchored
by this very inquisitive, um,poetic kind of observer of life.
(03:49):
So, um, I re.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I relate to that a lot because I'm a Scorpio.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Scorpios have a bad rap of like being, like dark and
like don't get on their badside a bad rap of like being
like dark and like don't get ontheir bad side, which, yeah,
that is true, it's true, it istrue.
But also there is like there isa lot of like light to me, and
I love to be goofy and I love tojoke and I love to make people
laugh and I'm like like theworld is like we live in a
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duality, so I'm like can't, canI be all of those things too?
Um, and and I was telling youbefore we started recording
about how, like we've gotten alot of hate because of what we
look like in, you know, theplant medicine space and and and
we're bubbly and and we shouldbe taking this medicine
seriously.
And we do take this medicineseriously.
(04:42):
But also, like, I also want tolike live a life of like I take
living seriously to the pointwhere I want to be happy and
joyful and it be filled withlaughter too.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like that's serious to me, like I seriously want to
laugh.
I take my joy and my pleasureseriously.
I take it very serious.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
There's like a meme or something going around and I
love resharing it every time itlike pops up on our feed.
But it's like you're nothealing to hold space for the
pain.
You're healing to hold spacefor the joy, and I think a lot
of people forget that, likethere's, there's supposed to be
(05:23):
joy in this journey as well.
So I really love, yeah, youspeaking on it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I want to hear more.
Yeah, and I I feel like kind ofwhat happens with like the
evolution of a spiritualawakening, as someone is like
you know, bliss is ignorant,ignorance is bliss, and like,
wow, I'm living my life and thenall of a sudden, you know, you
have this like sensation ofdiscomfort, like hang on, this
(05:50):
life that I've been workingtowards is not the life that I
want and that you know, or theor my health is declining.
There's some sort of shaking.
You know that that brings youto that is the catalyst for the
spiritual awakening.
And then, somewhere along theway that that kind of ignorance
is bliss, that bliss energyturns into melancholy, and I see
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that happening all the timewith people going through a
spiritual awakening is they?
They enter into this verymelancholic state and everything
, everything starts becomingvery heavy and very like
dramatic and traumatic, andthat's okay because a lot of
(06:34):
stuff is surfacing that we'rehaving to process and work
through.
But then I feel like thatmelancholy becomes like a badge
of honor and like how seriouscan you be, how serious can you
take everything?
And and it's like a trancealmost.
And when I and and again I wantto say like there's nothing
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wrong with that.
I feel like we all have to go tothose depths and I will revisit
those depths again and again,and again in this lifetime.
I am sure of it.
But we forget that joy is likethe highest vibration.
I mean, love is the highestvibration, but joy and play are
the gateway.
And I feel like it takes itdoes take some work to like get
(07:22):
into a state of play, but Iagree with you Once someone
that's been like reallyentrenched into the world of
spirituality kind of breaks outof it and into joy, there's some
pushback of like oh wait, soyou don't think any of this
matters, or none of it's real,and it's like, yes, absolutely,
(07:45):
but like all the work that I'vebeen doing, that I am doing, is
paying off, and now I'mintegrating, and now I'm in a
state of play and I'm in thatchildlike wonder again and it's,
it's so liberating to be likeI'm going to cut the spiritual
strings and I'm going to live mylife and just be present and um
(08:07):
, that's that's where I am rightnow and it's, it's beautiful
and it's incredible and likereally working with, like the
concepts of pleasure and playinstead of like this deep,
sludgy work, um and and yeah,working with the, working with
pleasure to like help meintegrate and expand is like I
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mean.
It's, it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's great.
I read recently that theclinical opposite of trauma is
play.
Oh really, it was one of likethe many rabbit holes I go down,
but I was like, oh my God.
That's why I think, after yougo through that like dark thing,
those things feel so muchbetter Like, because I think
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it's literally healing yourbrain composition, like it is
healing the parts of you thatlike change through the
traumatic events, like that play.
Now this is where I am probablygoing to get uncomfortable in
this podcast, because you talkabout pleasure a lot and
Christine and I have mentionedthis before like I'm not there
(09:23):
and I'm not as into my sexuality.
It has been a journey for me tolike really dig into those
parts of myself.
There's a lot of shame aroundthat I grew up in a very
religious household with a sexaddict father, so like I have a
lot of deep, deep shit father.
(09:50):
So like I have a lot of deep,deep shit and I was watching
some of your stuff and talkingabout like the sexual energy.
I need to know how to do thatand how to tap into that.
And where does one start withlike realizing that pleasure and
play and all of these thingsthat we thought were taboo are
actually really really healing.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not there.
It's our power, it's our powersource, and I want to, I want to
throw one on you.
So I, in my research um, cameacross something like the, the
clinical opposite of pleasure.
We've been conditioned to thinkthat it's pain, right, but
pleasure and pain are kind of onthe same spectrum, but actually
(10:34):
the absence or not having thecapacity to come into pleasure
is powerlessness.
Oh what?
So I want you to think aboutthis, and you don't have to
answer, but just think about howyou approach and receive and
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your relationship with pleasure,with really owning your
pleasure, not giving it away orperforming, nothing like that.
It's not promiscuity, it'snothing like that, but really
owning, having a deeprelationship with the pleasure
that lives in your sacral centerand your sex organs, and how
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that correlates to yourrelationship with abundance.
So do you feel like you have toperform for it?
Do you feel like you have togive, give, give, give, give
before you can receive?
Do you feel like, when youreceive, that it's truly yours?
Do you feel like you're anownership, that you have a deep
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relationship with it?
Or do you feel shame, do youfeel guilt, do you feel gross?
Do you feel about the amount ofpleasure that you can
experience and hold and when youreally start thinking about
your relationship with pleasure,how very much it mirrors your
relationship with abundance.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Holy shit, I'm not, I'm not to think on that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And so from there, when, when a woman is in her
full ownership of pleasure and Idon't mean, I don't necessarily
mean Samantha from sex in thecity, I don't mean someone who's
you know, that was going to bemy next question and
performative, yeah, maybesomeone who is promiscuous and
performative is in theirpleasure and that's their
(12:39):
authentic expression of it.
And I'm not shaming that by anymeans, because I think there's
been enough slut shaming in theworld through the patriarchy.
So not shaming that at all, butlike when a woman is in full
ownership of her pleasure andshe knows how to truly turn on
to life, that's a powerful woman, that's a woman that can say no
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, that can really tune in to herbody and that can say yes.
That's a woman who can say whatshe wants, how she wants it and
when she wants it, with fullconfidence.
And we have been so conditionedto be guilty, to feel shame, to
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feel like our pleasure is foulor nasty or or low vibration or
primal.
Um, because it's our powersource, because it's our power
source.
And so what better way to takepower away from a woman than to
tell her her experience ofpleasure is bad a woman than to
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tell her, her experience ofpleasure is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, so there's so many questions.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
There's so much that was so good.
Can you share like an examplefrom you of how you tapped into
that?
Yes, because I think.
I think so many women strugglewith that and so many women are
uncomfortable.
Can I?
I'm not going to rat you out.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You can rat me out.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm going to write you out a little bit.
Even if I talk about pleasurewith Leah, she gets very
uncomfortable Me just sharing it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, and I shut it down.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Like, but she's visibly um like I like get red.
I'm already.
She will literally and I'm likeI'm talking about me, I'm not
talking about you, and she willbreak out in hives, like it's
like, and I think so.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Or we've been conditioned.
This is not safe, we should notbe talking about this and like.
This is like just such deepancestral trauma of like when a
woman shares with another womanabout her own pleasure, it's
like we can't even.
Oh, like I that like this isoff limits, this is off limits
(15:07):
and that's just that's not evenours, that's like handed down
through the ages.
So one of my big things was um,I never self-pleasured.
Um, and I don't use the wordmasturbation, because that
actually it its roots andetymology means to pollute with
the hand.
Yeah, so another patriarchal.
(15:32):
Let's strip them of their power.
So I don't use that word.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I am taking that word out of my vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, so I use the word self-pleasure.
So I, for I mean my whole life.
I didn't engage inself-pleasure.
So I, for I mean my whole life.
Like I didn't engage inself-pleasure.
I was like my arms are too long, like my anatomy is not right.
This is silly.
I have more important things todo.
Like this is just yet anotherthing the patriarchy wants me to
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do.
This is this is just yetanother thing the patriarchy
wants me to do.
Like I had been so conditionedto think that pleasure was just
like really for the man.
And like if I'm self pleasuring, then like it's what's the
point, you know?
Like it doesn't really feelthat good.
Like my orgasm experience wasvery like you know, it's like
okay, like why, what's the pointin all of this?
(16:26):
Um, and then I had this ahaaround pleasure and abundance
and um, so I have this birthmarkon my lip and I've had a lot of
surgeries on it, so it looks alot smaller than what it was
when I grew up with.
I stopped getting surgeries onit, cause I'm finally in full
self-acceptance with it, but itconditioned in me a belief that
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I was just inherently flawed,that like I was just not right
somehow, and so I always wasliving this life of like seeing
people at the table, seeingpeople online and like they have
something that I don't have,like they have it figured out
and I will never figure it outbecause there's something broken
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inside of me.
And so I felt like, in order toreally come into abundance, I
had to like act like everyoneelse that was doing it, like the
yoga teacher, you know, let meput on my serious spiritual hat
or like online entrepreneur, letme do like this and you know,
(17:32):
and so like really coming intothis, like oh shit, like the way
I approach pleasure is the wayI approach abundance, and right
now I don't even feel capable ofcreating pleasure within my own
body without the help of apartner, and even then I'm not
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really enjoying it.
So I committed to myself to goon a journey of self-pleasure
and started telling myselfyou're not broken, your arms are
the perfect length, megan.
Like you can, you can reachthere.
And and then like reallystarted thinking like how can I
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use my breath, how can I be verypresent with this?
How can I stop like goingthrough the grocery list or
thinking that this isn'timportant and really, really
cultivate a relationship with myown pleasure, and so I mean
started creating like instead ofmeditation, I'm going to have
self-pleasure moments and likereally really creating a
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practice around it, until itfelt safe.
And now it feels very safe andreal good and I found, like all
the different like what do whatdo I like?
I like listening to, like eroticstories and I like listening to
like tantric music or to likelike music that has like moaning
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and stuff in the background,you know, and like really
finding like what supports meand my pleasure and what toys
and what like lubes, and youknow, like how do I even like to
dress when I come into practiceof self pleasure?
I like silk and I like satinand I like really pretty colors
and really cultivating thisrelationship with my own
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pleasure.
It took me into a space offeeling like I actually have.
I have the power to do whateverI want.
And I'm going to tell you alittle story.
It's a little too much.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I do not care, please go on, I'm going to get hives
over here, no big deal.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I this was kind of like in the middle of like
really coming into my ownpleasure and I was in an airport
and I was reading a book.
Oh, another thing is I switchedfrom self-development to like
erotic fiction Instead of likereading about pleasure.
I was like give me some smutand and like that really.
(20:09):
I mean it helps you know, I mean, it helps you to become
comfortable with it.
And so, anyway, I was in theairport reading a book, um, an
erotic book, and I got so turnedon that I was like I feel like
I'm going to explode if I don'tlike take care of myself.
And so I went into the airportbathroom and like had myself a
(20:32):
little pleasure moment and thenwas walking around the airport
Like you know that BG song.
Like I was like walking around,like, fuck, yeah, I am so in
(20:56):
charge of my pleasure and Idon't need anybody else.
I can have other people, like Ican invite my husband into like
my pleasure practice and that'samazing and beautiful and I
love when we create pleasure andlove together.
But like I can, I can fullytake care of myself.
And so, like, coming into thislike very empowered relationship
with my pleasure, it's like Ilike I want to walk around and
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be like oh my God, I'm magic andyou're magic.
You don't need anything.
You don't need anything and youcan just like and you're not
broken, right, and you're notbroken, your arms aren't too
long.
That is incredible.
It's incredible, and then I wantto share with you, because this
is a really powerful tool that,um, uh, I came up with for my
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husband and I.
So, um, when I started on thispleasure journey up until that
point, you know, sex to me feltvery, for the man, very I I
wasn't receiving a lot ofpleasure out of it.
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It was like very end goal sexequals penetration.
Like let's hurry this up, Ihave other things to do.
I want to go to sleep, I'mtired.
Like pleasure was not apriority at all.
Was it like?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
a transaction, huh, like transactional in a way.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, my husband and I have like
in a way, yeah, yeah, yeah, andyou know, my husband and I have
like typically a very likeloving, kind hearted, you know,
relationship, so but I alwayskind of felt like I'm, I'm just
a whole, you know, like I, likeI'm not this, this isn't for me
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at all, and, um, and that's notthe type of life I want to live
Like.
I want to have a like intimaterelationship with my husband,
with my partner.
That's like life giving, that'slike exuberant and exhilarating
and like deep, passionatepleasure that is fulfilling to
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me too.
And so, on this journey, we hadlike a full month where I asked
him to slowly kiss my body fromhead to toe, except where a
bikini would be, and then that'sit, and then it ends there.
And then, you know, we speakkind words to each other and
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then go to sleep.
And I was like I need this toreprogram, that I am safe to
receive without performing,without giving back, without
expectations and without ithaving to be hypersexual, um, to
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receive this like deep, tender,tlc, to help my brain rewire,
to feel safe.
Um, and that was like gamechanging and he would, he was on
board.
You know, cause I was likehere's where I want it to go.
This is like I truly desire usto have a passionate, pleasure
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filled sexual life that then nowI know, leads out into the
whole rest of your relationship.
And and so he was on boardbecause our sex life was
suffering.
I mean, we've been married for17 years Like it was, like not,
it was not fun for him either,you know, but this practice was
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the start of him and I reallyrecalibrating and redefining
what pleasure looks like and howwe can create it for each other
and, um, I mean, it's been lifechanging.
So homework.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Ah, yeah, yeah, I'm.
I'm glad you said all of that,because I feel like when there
is a woman who, like, owns hersexuality, men and women
automatically assume okay.
So she's like a slut, she'slike you know um.
(25:11):
Samantha from sex in the city.
Like she does not have respectfor her body.
Or also like, if you talk aboutit, it it makes people really
uncomfortable.
So was that hard for you toshow up on social media and talk
openly about it?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So I kind of um, but I started it out as a sexy
challenge.
I saw, yeah, I was like I'mgoing to share just like little
tips and tools to like help youfeel more confident and like
pleasure in your life.
But I wasn't speaking ofpleasure from like an erotic
(25:52):
sexual pleasure stance, justkind of like pleasure, like
gratitude, you know.
And then Instagram startedcensoring me for even using the
word sexy or sensual Interesting, in fact, you can't even use
the hashtags sexy, sensual orpleasure.
(26:15):
They're blocked.
Wow, and because I was usingthose words in my actual reel,
like in the text, in the real,and then in the captions,
instagram blocked all of mystuff from being seen by non
followers and that reallytriggered something into me like
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hold up, like all I'm trying todo is teach women how to feel
more confident and I'm beingblocked like this is this, is
there's something here, and thatlike really put me on a course
of like.
No, no, no, no, like I need totalk about this more.
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Um, and then it was kind oflike a big F, you to like the
man of like.
No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talkabout this.
End of like.
No, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonnatalk about this and I do feel
like the fact that you knowpeople, people in my community
that have been following me fora long time, or not even a few
months.
They know that I'm married, thatI've been married for a long
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time, they know that I havethree kids, they know that I am
safe, and so I feel like metalking about pleasure.
I feel like someone like metalking about pleasure is very
needed in the social media space, because right now, the people
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talking about pleasure no,they're amazing.
I love them, but they're very,they're very sexual, they're
very, or maybe they're notmothers, and that's that's
totally fine.
I love that.
Or maybe they're not, nor haveever been in a committed
relationship, and that's totallyfine.
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But there's not a lot of youknow, 40 something year old
women who have kids, who arejust like you're going to see me
at the grocery store, lookinglike crap or looking amazing.
You know you're going to see melike in the carpool line.
You're going to see me showingup with no makeup on and stories
(28:28):
, doing something ridiculous,and I think that I think women
need to see a woman like me.
You know I'm not like in a silkrobe in Costa Rica with like a
crystal wand up my private parts.
You know again, nothing wrongwith that.
It's amazing.
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Praise be hallelujah.
I love it and I love all thepeople doing that.
Um, so for me it was like, okay, I'm going to have to get a
little uncomfortable for alittle bit, but this is so, it's
so needed, it's so needed.
And, yes, maybe I'll losefollowers, but that's okay.
Um, I've lost followers in thepast and people will DM me and
(29:11):
be like I unfollowed you becauseI wasn't ready for what you had
to say, and now I'm back and Ilove that.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So I'm going to be candid and honest here, because
I understand the other type ofsexual persona that is online
and I, because of where I am, inmy sexual power, that
intimidates the fuck out of meand I'm probably not going to be
(29:43):
able to relate to what theyhave to share.
But it's, it's very much likewhat you're saying.
Like I'm also a mother, I alsohave three kids, I also am very
you know it, christine's my hypegirl always like show that
cleavage and I'm like, oh God,oh, I don't know if I could do
that.
So it's, it's a process for me.
(30:05):
So, like I feel like I would bemore willing to listen to
someone who is morerepresentative of where I am in
life.
And that kind of brings me tomy next point, because I think
and I, I know this, but I don'tknow if our listeners know this
(30:26):
about, like the femalearchetypes um, the mother, the
crone, the maiden, um, and youhave kind of put out there that
there's a fourth archetype thatnobody really talks about, and
so can you go into that a littlebit?
But also, like, in a very quickshort, make it easy way, like
(30:49):
explain what the others are too,yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, um, and these archetypes aren't just, uh,
relegated to age, you know.
So you can be in all fourarchetypes, even in one month of
your cycle, um, and you canreally hold the energy of one
particular archetype, you knowin your essence, but all of them
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are available to you.
So I just want to preface withthat.
So the maiden archety andenergetic, very curious, but
also can be very gullible, very,what's the word I'm looking for
(31:41):
?
Naive, naive, naive, and thenlike very open to, oh well, she
said it's like this.
So therefore it is, that's thetruth.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Impressionable.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
There we go.
Every archetype has a shadowand an expanded side.
Yeah, of course, a lot ofpeople they feel like, when they
discover, play again thatthey're in the maiden phase.
But it's actually this fourthone that's not talked about, um,
(32:13):
and then we have the motherarchetype, which, um, you know,
it's very nurturing, it's, it'svery, um, uh like responsible.
I've got this like let me holdyou, um, but the shadow side is
martyr, um, and resentment andand and losing oneself and and
(32:35):
like just kind of all right,well, this is my role, so
therefore, this is like, let mecheck all the boxes and this is
what I'm supposed to look like,and and kind of loss of identity
would that be like the?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
well, I'm a mom now yes I can't be sexy, I'm a mom
yeah, I feel that one a lotright which is like why you know
right, yeah, I can't do thatanymore.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, it's because women were seen as possessions
and once they had the children,they were no longer of.
You know, they fulfilled theirduty.
And so let's take them off themarket completely and tell them
they can't be sexy anymore or intheir power, because there's
nothing left for them to doexcept be this mother figure,
(33:21):
and that's, that's bullshit,right, yeah?
And then there's the nextarchetype, which I'll touch on,
but I'm going to get to the lastarchetype, which is Chrome.
And so in our society, becauseof this conversation and these
three, you know more well-knownarchetypes, we feel like, well,
(33:41):
there's mother, and then there'snothing in between.
And then I go to Chrome, whichis the matriarch.
It's the like, very grounded,um, I got this like.
But the, the expanded side ofthe crone is like I think of
diane von furstenberg, like I'min my power, I don't give a fuck
(34:06):
, I have nothing to prove to youand I'm living my best life
like, remember, iris Appel, likeshe you know this just like
very authentic, just wise woman.
But the other, the shadow sideof Crone, can be like very, um,
they're, they're holding theline of oppression and making
(34:29):
sure everyone else is going tobe like.
You know a lot of the likegrandmas on sitcoms and they're
just, like you know, holdingdown the fort and making sure
all these rules are kept inplace, but they really don't
know.
They're just reinforcing anoppressive, they're just
carrying it out.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think of the movie Encanto, oh yeah, I don't know
why?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
but I immediately like, went to like the grandma
Cause it is like she's the wiseone she like she's the one who
started the powers and all ofthat.
But, yeah, yeah, and so she'sthe wise one, but is her wisdom
actually for the expansion or isit?
Is it oppressive?
Right, it's oppressive, becauseshe was the maiden once and,
okay, I will accept what I hearas truth and then I'm just going
(35:15):
to carry it out through therest of my life because I never
thought critically and I neverconnected to my pleasure.
Oh, shit, yeah, and the thingis we can be in shadow and
expansion at the same time, sowe can have it's not just one or
(35:35):
the other, but this fourtharchetype that we don't talk
about as much because it isdangerous to a society that
really depends on the oppressionof women, and that's the wild
woman archetype and it's betweenthe mother and the crone and a
lot of women.
(35:55):
Regardless if you have humanchildren or not, you don't have
to have human children to be amother archetype by any means.
In fact, there's a lot ofchildren whose mothers may still
be stuck in maiden, that had toassume the role of the mother
archetype at a very young ageand never really got to
(36:16):
experience the maiden archetype,and they're staying in that
role of mother archetype becausethey didn't really ever have
the freedom to play and to, youknow, eyes wide open, and they
had to like get to work, youknow, pretty early.
But the wise woman or the wildwoman archetype is, it kind of
(36:39):
takes the, the playful, joyfulexpression of the maiden,
combines it with, like thatnurturing energy of the mother
and then this like hang on, likeI'm, I'm allowed to like really
enjoy my life and think formyself and I feel like pleasure
is a big key to this wild womanessence and I feel very
(37:04):
connected to this essence rightnow.
It's all about to like creativeexpression.
She's painting, she's dancing,and not to be good, not to
create good work, but to likefully express herself.
And it's kind of messy and wildand she's doing what she wants
and how she wants it.
She's not prescribing tosomeone else's belief system,
(37:27):
you know, she's finding whatworks for her.
And I feel like this archetypeisn't talked about too much
because the patriarchy or thepowers that be want us to go
from mother to crone.
We've had, you know, when ourkids are get a little older,
(37:48):
like my youngest is four now.
Like you want me to stay inthis mother archetype until I'm
70?
.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Like, well, that's, it's, it's.
I think it's it's too powerfulfor the patriarchy.
It is everybody to step intothat wild woman role.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It is, yeah, and I mean, you know it's the woman
who doesn't give a fuck, she'snot keeping up with the Joneses,
she's like living life by herown terms and that's very
dangerous to a society thatdepends on us playing along.
You know, and, and so I findthat there's three big pillars
(38:33):
that really support this wildwoman archetype.
And it's body wisdom, likeknowing fully your body, what
your body loves, knowing theanatomy of your own arousal and
pleasure, knowing your hormones.
Like really bringing yourselfinto an expression of vitality
(38:56):
and health because you trustyour own intuition.
You know what to eat, you knowhow to eat, you know how to
pleasure yourself, you know howto keep your chi and your life
force energy flowing.
And you're educated on yourbody like, on your like arousal
and how to like activate thatpleasure.
And then the second would becreative expression Like you are
(39:20):
open to creatively expressingyourself in the way that you
speak and the way that you dressand the way that you um, write,
dance, play, you know whatgarden decorate your home.
It's you and it's authenticrepresentation of who you are
and what you're feeling.
And a lot of women are scared todo that because we live in this
(39:43):
critique culture, Like if Iexpress myself, someone's going
to tell me what's wrong with itor bad, or how to improve and
how to get better.
And that starts, I mean, atbirth, like oh, that was good,
but let's talk about you knowwhat you did wrong so you can
get better.
And that just completely shutsdown our muse.
And then we're like, well, Idon't have a creative bone in my
(40:03):
body, so like I'm not going to,I'm not even going to try that.
But creative expression is soimportant and it's all there in
like the sacral center whereyour sexual energy lives too.
And then, lastly, is likereally committing to adopting a
perspective of lightheartednessand joy, again, like we talked
(40:24):
about at the beginning, likethat melancholy is so dense, but
how can you get out of that andaccept pleasure and play as
actually the gateway?
And when you combine thosethree things that light hearted
perspective, creative expressionand body wisdom I feel like
these are the ingredients toreally step into this wild woman
archetype.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So if all of these archetypes have, like this
duality, what is the duality inthe wild woman?
Good question I forgot aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So it can be like controlling and manipulative and
also kind of aloof and like Idon't need you.
So like very kind of exiled um,not community oriented um,
which I've had to work onbecause I can get very into my
own, like little hermit space um, and, like you know, an
(41:20):
attitude of judgment, um, but Ithink that comes with all of it,
but like I haven't figured outand you don't, so like therefore
I am better than you got it?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Are we on our way to being wild women?
I think I am a wild woman.
You are a wild woman.
But just listening to youtalking about, like the
different stages like we werehaving a conversation weeks ago
about how, like how the fuck amI, 40 years old and just now
learning about the luteal phaseold and just now learning about
(41:53):
the luteal phase why was thisnot taught to me when I was a
teenager?
Why am I learning this now,like learning how to work with
our hormones, like some of theshit that I've read?
Like most women who areadmitted into a psychiatric
hospital, it happens duringtheir luteal phase and nobody
talks about that.
Like, anyway, I'm just it.
(42:14):
It just kind of blows my mindthat we are not taught about our
own bodies and our own hormones.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
So learning that now has been kind of a mind fuck.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Learning that now has been kind of a mindfuck.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It is yeah.
And when I so, I was feeling soawful and I had been like on a
journey, on a health journey,for years, and one day, I don't
know, the Holy Ghost came downto me and was like Google.
And I Googled are my hormonesfucked up?
And I don't know what, I don'tknow what spurred me to do that.
(42:53):
And, um, a little quiz poppedup.
And you know, the quiz was likeabsolutely yes, your hormones
are fucked up.
And so I found um a hormone, umhealth practitioner I live in
Boise, here in Boise, and I gotmy hormones tested like a
specific, like you know.
And I got my hormones testedlike a specific, like you know,
(43:14):
a doctor who looks at hormones,like, let's test your hormones,
I'm looking for this.
And she's like yeah, yourbody's basically not making
testosterone anymore.
And so all the symptoms that Ihad been experiencing very low
libido, intense brain fog,intense fatigue, just like kind
of like no zest for life anymoreAll of that was low
(43:36):
testosterone.
And then I started getting umtestosterone therapy and it like
it.
It changed my life.
You know, I'm like why is thisnot talked about more?
Yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
And because we don't want us tohave power not like they,
whoever they is, they don't wantus to have this knowledge,
knowledge is power and apowerful woman is terrifying.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
And I related to your post.
You you shared that you haveLyme disease and um, we, we went
to a, we interviewed afunctional practitioner and then
we started working with her andum, like I've been in the
health and fitness industry wasI was in there for a long time
and I it's like I did so muchdamage to my body and to my gut
(44:28):
and to my hormones because ofhow like hard on myself I was,
like Leah's had less strugglesbecause she's been cause I don't
like to work out Well, but butalso like you've been more
gentle with yourself in that wayand and like been softer with
yourself in that way and where.
(44:49):
I was like go hard in the paintLike if, if, if I'm not sweating
, if I'm not burning, like athousand calories, and it's,
it's done, wreaked havoc on mybody and so trying to reverse
that has been crazy, but anyways, I don't even know where I was
going with that.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well, I will say, like you know, I believe a woman
can do anything a man can do,but I also believe that even the
way we've been positioned towant our bodies to look, and
even the way that we show up ingyms and workouts, it's all
positioned and conditioned on aman's body.
(45:26):
And then women are like I cando it and we can, and that's
amazing.
But like the woman, the worldis like not set up to the lens
of the female body.
I'm left handed and I feel thesame about being a left handed
person.
Like the world is set up.
It's a right hand man's world.
Yeah, yeah.
(45:49):
But like, yeah, even the way weapproach, like working out and
and just even our day and themonth, and like it's not set up
to support female, the femalebody.
And when you really start tothink about, like the whole
world, and even like having thesix pack abs, like that's a very
(46:12):
masculine body feature.
And if you look at women overthe years, you know the like
roundish, softer lower belly,like that's a feminine.
But we, but even that has beenbad.
And like no, your tummy needsto look like this.
And again, there's nothingwrong with that.
It's beautiful, all bodies arebeautiful.
(46:35):
But it's just when you reallystart to think about, holy crap,
like literally the ideal ofeverything is based off of the
male experience.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, and now, knowing what I know, I didn't
grow up with a dad, I didn'tgrow up with safe men, so a lot
of my life was keeping up withthem to be like see, I can
fucking do it, I don't need aman, I don't need a man, I can
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
What just happened.
Yeah, oh, am I still here.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
My screen went blank.
So, and to what you're saying,like, I'll be the one to say it.
Like, just because you can doeverything a man can do doesn't
mean we should be doing that.
Like I, that has been a bigpart of of my journey, too, is
(47:28):
realizing that like, justbecause I was able to work 40
plus hours a week and take careof my kids and do all of this
doesn't mean I was meant to doall of that.
So that, like you can.
But who are you proving to like?
Who are you trying to prove tothat you can?
Like yourself, society, otherwomen, other men, like that was
(47:53):
a life that I I hated like, andand I think to everyone else
they could, they saw me doingthis, they saw the business I
owned and the, the life that Ihad and the kids that I was
raising.
They're like, oh wow, look ather go.
And like really I was dyinginside just trying to keep up.
So just, because you can?
(48:15):
that's where I'm like, but do Ihave to?
I?
Speaker 3 (48:19):
don't want to.
It's a really interestingconversation that I don't have
all the answers to for sure, butit is like you know, there's a
meme going around right nowthat's like are real, you know,
and it's like you know, to allthe women who were, like you
know, had goals of like beingthe girl boss, working the nine
(48:42):
to five, making six figures like, who now just want to like stay
at home and do nothing, likehow, how's your life going?
And I get it.
I also know that, like, I havethis fire inside of me, um, and
being a stay-at-home mom is not,um, fulfilling for me.
I know it is for some women andthat's beautiful and it's
wonderful, um, so it's likewhere I feel like it's having to
(49:04):
like redefine a whole likeparadigm of what a fulfilled
woman looks like because, likeyou know, burning the candles at
both in working the corporatejob or even being an
entrepreneur, and, like you know, going all in and raising
children, it's, it's, it's, it'shard, it's very hard, you know.
(49:28):
So it's like I don't, I don'thave the answer, but there's got
to be some way.
And to also have your own money.
And it's a big conversation.
But, yeah, working 80 hours aweek.
Prove it, boss, babe.
Again, nothing wrong with thatfor those that align with it,
(49:50):
like truly authentically alignwith it.
But um, it's a, it's tough.
Yeah, it's tough, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
So you, you talk a lot on um, your social media,
about like showing upauthentically, and about a month
, a month and a half ago, I dida mushroom journey and I don't
know if you know anything abouthuman design, but, um, I'm a
projector.
What is your human design?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I'm a generator, I'm a five one.
Of course that makes a lot ofsense.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Okay, that makes so much so for you.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Like the work ethic is like so much bigger because
I'm like I'm manifestor andshe's a projector and we're over
here Like I want to do less.
I was trying to keep up withall the generators of the world
and now I'm like I only am agenerator when I'm lit up, if
something is lit up, meh no.
Yeah, no effort.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I'll just read a book instead.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, a smut book, yeah, so, but pretty much the
basis of my journey, it was allabout doing less, being more,
showing up as authentically aspossible and things will just
(51:12):
come to you.
You don't, you don't need tolike, that's just like you.
Just be you and things willcome to you and things will
happen to you.
Okay, I'm working onintegrating this because, like,
I don't know how to do that andso, like I think.
So I think like, when you, likea lot of people, say, like,
(51:37):
just be your authentic self andjust show up on your platform
and be authentic, what the fuckdoes that mean, do you?
know, what I'm.
I understand the idea.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
So I want to invite you to take that question into
your pleasure practice, becauseI can't tell you the answer.
But your pleasure center can.
And if you go into so, like Iwas saying earlier, like I now,
(52:11):
I replaced meditation withself-pleasure and now I do.
You know a little bit of both.
Whenever I mean, I usually gofor the self-pleasure, but like,
can you enter into aself-pleasure practice?
Maybe put on some beautifulmusic, set the intention of like
(52:33):
just feeling your authenticself.
What is the message?
Right now?
You know what's on my heart,what feels really good and juicy
to me.
Um, and take that into yourpleasure practice and just open
yourself up.
And then you know, after climaxor whatever, just integrate and
just like really open yourselfup to the messages and to the
(52:58):
softness you know and like I'mnot saying like open up your
phone.
At that moment You're like heyguys.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I just saw pleasure.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Guess what I just did , but like take it to your
pleasure, you know, and like letyour let pleasure give you the
answers.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Um, so that's really interesting that you say that,
because the journey was thefirst.
This journey was the first timeI did a heroic dose of
mushrooms with MDMA.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
And so I okay so.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I got that lesson and it was like do less, be more,
and the right things will cometo you.
And then, like the MDMA part ofthe journey is like okay, now
you got that lesson, now embodyit right now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
And so.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I had like this whole experience on my bed, where
again I was just like I'mamazing.
Yeah, like feeling it andfeeling myself and like having
this intimate experience withmyself.
Now it wasn't self-pleasure inthat way, but it was I totally.
(54:13):
I was like, I felt like I hadan exorcism in my bed.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I was like rolling around and feeling my hair and
touching myself and I'm likethis is crazy.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
So I just thank you for that because it is, I feel
like what you said and theexperience tied in together.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
So with that experience, I want to put you on
the spot a little bit Like whatdid you know to be so deeply
true about yourself in thatexperience?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I think I have.
I think that there is thisbigness to me and I have this
like very big aura.
That's I think I'm like.
I feel like uncomfortable, likesaying nice things about myself
, no, you gotta own it.
(55:19):
I feel like I have thismagnetic presence, but I don't
know what to do with it.
I'm like getting emotional.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
It's weird Because when we speak our truth and like
, emotion is connected to truthand there's this bigness that
wants to come out, so, of course, like, there's this emotion
that's finally being dislodged.
So, showing up authentically,show up big, show up owning
yourself, like own it, and showup from that space.
(55:50):
You don't have to play like, oh, if I'm like humble and meek
and sweet, then maybe peoplewill like me more.
Like, own it, own the bigness,show up on that bigness, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
And I'm not, I'm not that in real life.
Meet me and you're like, ohyeah, she is big and I feel like
I show up like that on thepodcast, but then when it comes
to actually like showing up onsocial media, I'm like I don't
feel big anymore okay, we'llfigure out.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
figure out how to show up big yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
You know yourself you posted something yesterday and
I was like, oh shit, she justgot on our stories and talked,
just talked and that was hugefor you, I know that was big for
you I almost deleted it, sothat was showing up
authentically.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Are we in therapy right now?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yes, yes, we are Shit .
She literally just got on thereand talked freely.
It wasn't like a trend, itwasn't like something specific
and I was just like fuck yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
You don't ever do that.
We trusted that.
Yeah, like wherever thatemotion is coming from right now
, like feel it because it'swanting to be expressed you know
, like showing up in thatbigness and also knowing when
not to show up.
You know, like, yeah, that's abig part of me.
(57:21):
Showing up authentically islike there will be two or three
days where you don't see me atall, because and I know for,
like, from a businessperspective, like that's very
bad, but I'm trying to changethe paradigm, you know.
So if I don't feel like showingup, I'm not, I'm doing other
stuff, but like I'm here tochange the paradigm, not to just
(57:43):
be consistent for the sake ofconsistency and so, but.
But showing up authentically Ithink a lot of people think that
means like showing up withwhatever emotional state you're
in and like sharing vulnerably,and that's one piece of it.
But showing up truly deeply,authentically, is owning that,
(58:06):
that bigness inside of you andknowing that you don't have to
perform, that you don't have toprove anything.
You know that you're enough andyou, you can be seen owning
yourself.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, I think, I guess, I think in the places I
feel safe.
I do show up big yeah, but on apublic platform I'm like I get
very insecure.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
I think I'm going to take this back to you, meg being
like a self, like a hype girl,like it's, it's part of your bio
, like you are like the biggesthype girl and I am like
witnessing it right now.
Yeah and B, but what I just?
I find this very interestingbecause you are such a hype girl
(58:54):
for everyone else.
You've done that for me, likewhen I struggled showing up
authentically, you were like, ohmy God, you're just do it and
you're so good and you know whatyou know and you just you exude
this ball and then it's hard towatch you struggle with that
same thing because you're such agood hype girl.
(59:15):
But I don't.
Maybe a hype girl needs other,another hype girl.
Oh yeah, like it's hard to beyour own hype girl.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
It is.
I've got plenty of hype girlsin my life.
Yeah, okay, I need it.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Oh, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
I'm sorry you're crying, but no, it's good, it's
really good.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, I want to give you a prayer.
So, um, are you familiar withthe author, sue Monk Kidd?
No, oh, I love her book.
Okay, I'm going to clip that soI remember.
She's a fiction writer, novels,and there's this book called the
Book of Longs and it'sbeautiful, oh I love it, but
(59:59):
it's about it's a story of awoman who's finding herself in
in like biblical times.
It's not a religious book, butit's set in biblical times and
she's like really learning whoshe is and she says this prayer
(01:00:19):
and it it resonated so deeplywith me.
And again, it's a fiction, it'sa novel, it's a fiction book
but I I read it like two orthree years ago and I've been
using it ever since and it'sjust blessed the largeness
inside of me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Fuck, you have to like write that on your mirror
at home.
I'm going to you.
Absolutely should do that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, and when I read that I was like, oh well, that
was for me, you know, and foryou too, and it's like we and I
feel like that connects to mymessage of pleasure yeah, even
oh, sorry, go ahead.
We've been so conditioned tokeep it small, every our
(01:01:07):
pleasure, our beauty, ourexpression, to keep it small, to
keep it safe.
Because you know, what ifsomeone makes fun of me?
What if someone calls me stupid?
What if someone can do itbetter than me?
There's so many reasons.
What if I'm cast out?
What if I'm judged, you knowwhatever?
Um, but like we, but like we'redone with that, we're done with
(01:01:28):
that.
Look at the world, it's onfucking fire.
You know, women being in theirsmallness is not the answer.
It's not the answer.
And so when we can bless thelargeness inside of us, when we
can own fully our pleasure toknow to say what we want, how we
(01:01:54):
want it and when we want it,and to be fully turned on by
life like this, is how we changethe world.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah, and you know, like man, I needed that.
I didn't even know that Ineeded that.
But even you talking about likeI used to read like
self-development books and allof that, and then now I just
started like reading some likesmut, like even that little
thing resonated with me so muchbecause I'm like I feel like I
have to like do all of thesethings to be in this space and
(01:02:34):
sometimes like healing isreading a smut book and like
being okay with that and likeyeah and yeah, hot outfit and
red lipstick and owning yourlargeness Like Shit, wow, okay,
it's not putting on the mask ofwhat you think you're supposed
to look like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
That's showing up inauthentically.
Yeah.
You know like play with yourown ego.
You have permission to playwith your personality, with your
ego.
You know to like adorn anddecorate and and be you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
You know and share a message of love and expansion,
and you literally are such agood hype Like that is like like
that was something I didn'teven know I needed, but I did.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, it's therapy, it's church.
We didn't even like go down ourlist of questions which I know.
Literally.
I love when that happens, likeI'm sure we touched on a lot of
them, but like, honestly, thisconversation went exactly where
we wanted it to go where weneeded it to go, we might need
to do a part two with hereventually, Like come back on in
(01:03:48):
another six months and talk tous about your um medicine
journeys Cause we didn't evenget into that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Right, oh, I want to share really quickly.
So I recently also did um apsilocybin journey and in my
journey it was very similar toyours, christine, of like, own,
own it, fully own it.
And my message was like you,megan, you like literally come
(01:04:16):
from a lineage of queens and youhave to own this queen energy,
you have to.
And the less you do like aqueen doesn't perform, a queen
doesn't need to prove that she'sa queen, she just is, you know.
(01:04:36):
And and then my guide, rupaul,rupaul, rupaul, you better work
In full drag and was like own it, own it.
And I kept having like theRuPaul in full drag, like this
big In my journey and just likethis queen, like own it, own it,
(01:04:58):
queen.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
And so oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
I want to give that to you.
When you feel like you needyour own hype girl, just call on
little tiny RuPaul and fulldrag telling you to own it.
And can we have like a?
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
also a mini mag, like a mini mag and a mini RuPaul,
one on each shoulder.
Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
And I'm telling you like I found you because I was
like her vibe.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I resonate with that, but I don't know how to show up
as that.
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
You are that in real life, like that's.
I think the thing that I knowyou are that.
Oh, it's a.
It's a one of the things that Ido.
When I can feel I'm likegetting into that mass
performance of inauthenticity, Ijust fuck it, like fuck it, and
then just show up, as me youknow.
So you have your rupaul own itand then it's just fuck it yeah
(01:06:01):
fuck it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna have you.
I'm gonna have RuPaul and youum okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
How can our listeners um find you for when they need
a hype girl?
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
and do you have anything like coming up?
Yeah, like how can people workwith you?
Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
yeah.
So I'm gonna be launching agroup experience soon called
juicy, where, where we're goingto get into those three pillars
of creative expression body,wisdom and joyful perspective
and it's like really to helpwomen step into their power.
And when I say power, I'mtalking about really cultivating
(01:06:42):
that relationship with yourpleasure center and becoming
like fully turned on, a magnetic.
So that's going to be, that'sgoing to be happening in the
fall.
Um, I will be, um.
Registration is opening,actually today or tomorrow for a
couple's retreat in Mexico, um,in October.
(01:07:02):
And then we'll all have another, another couples retreat, Um,
and there will be um, someonethere, um, as uh, facilitating
with psilocybin, um for oneceremony.
And then, um, I've got somewomen's retreats that are in the
works I'm not announced yet,but they're coming up.
But that couples retreat inOctober is, um, it'll, it'll go
(01:07:26):
quick.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So okay, yeah, so get on it guys.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram and then my
website Tik TOK, I'm.
I'm a 47 year old woman, I'myou know, I'm learning.
I think I've got like 600followers on Tik TOK.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'm like oh yeah, there's that too, but you have
like a hundred thousand onInstagram, so I think you're
doing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
TikTok is weird.
It's a very strange place.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
If you find me on TikTok you know I'm not as
active on there.
It's very much an afterthoughtfor me right now.
Oh, I also have a free um substack community so you can sign
up for that.
Um, my latest issue, my July.
We're in July, right?
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
July issue went out today.
Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Um, and that's just full of like yumminess and
delight.
It feels like a little treasurebox of joy.
So you can register for that.
It's free Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Awesome.
Thank you for everything todayLike this was such a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Like I want to be friends in real life.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I want to come to all the retreats.
Thank you for therapy.
My friend here, get out of thislike what you got out of this.
I mean we both got a lot out ofthis today, but like, hopefully
this resonates with ourlisteners.
I think if you're a femaleperiod like at all, this is this
(01:08:50):
is going to hit home for you.
So thank you for all thatyou're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You're incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And to our listeners um, stay curious, be open and
we'll see you guys on the otherside.
Welcome back everyone to another episode of See you
on the Other Side.
I am here with Meg.
I don't know what that beep was.
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay we're just going to go with it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are here with Meg today and I am so excited to
introduce her to all of you guys.
I found Meg I don't knowprobably six months ago and one
of the reasons why I resonatedwith her social media platform
is because it was just fun, likeyour page brings so much joy
(00:35):
and positivity and laughter, andlike I really resonated with it
and related to it and so, hello, meg, resonated with it and
related to it and so hello, meg,hello, we are so happy to have
you on here.
But, like I said, like all ofyour social media is so very
(00:58):
free spirited and upbeat andpositive and there's, I feel,
like a lot of laughter and joyand can you kind of share with
the listeners, like a little bitabout you and like your journey
?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, um, so I'm a Gemini and I feel like Gemini
gets a really bad rap on anyastrology page because on the
surface level people see twinsand they're immediately like
kind of they go into like meangirl programming of, like oh,
(01:32):
that must mean two-faced orflaky, and and so a lot of
people just quickly interpretgemini as like two-faced, when
in actuality Gemini is like therepresentation of dualism, and
so we can move like very quicklyand we're air too.
(01:52):
So it's like we move veryquickly between this duality.
And so I really feel like I Icame to this earth to be a
representation of versatilityand duality and and part of that
, part of my dualism is beingvery lighthearted and joyful and
playful, but also having thisvery like tortured poet soul as
(02:17):
well, like very deep, veryobservant.
I'm in my head a lot, and sofor me I can spiral very quickly
.
I mean just ask my husband likeI can really spiral into a
state where I'm just likecontemplating like the deep
(02:38):
meaning of life and what is thepoint of all of this.
And so for me, joy and play andand really opening up to a
lighthearted perspective, I meanit saved my life, you know.
So I feel like you know, likewhen I, when I first started
teaching yoga, um, I very muchpushed the playful sailor mouth
(03:04):
like stylish fascinista like out, because I was like that's not
spiritual enough and peoplewon't take me seriously as a you
know someone, a wise personteaching spiritual principles,
(03:24):
principles.
And then a couple of yearslater, something hit me and I
was like no, actually I feellike the point of spirituality
and spiritual growth is toreally blossom into your full
authentic expression, and myauthentic expression is joy and
playfulness and silliness, whilealso being, you know, anchored
by this very inquisitive, um,poetic kind of observer of life.
(03:49):
So, um, I re.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I relate to that a lot because I'm a Scorpio.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Scorpios have a bad rap of like being, like dark and
like don't get on their badside a bad rap of like being
like dark and like don't get ontheir bad side, which, yeah,
that is true, it's true, it istrue.
But also there is like there isa lot of like light to me, and
I love to be goofy and I love tojoke and I love to make people
laugh and I'm like like theworld is like we live in a
(04:20):
duality, so I'm like can't, canI be all of those things too?
Um, and and I was telling youbefore we started recording
about how, like we've gotten alot of hate because of what we
look like in, you know, theplant medicine space and and and
we're bubbly and and we shouldbe taking this medicine
seriously.
And we do take this medicineseriously.
(04:42):
But also, like, I also want tolike live a life of like I take
living seriously to the pointwhere I want to be happy and
joyful and it be filled withlaughter too.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like that's serious to me, like I seriously want to
laugh.
I take my joy and my pleasureseriously.
I take it very serious.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
There's like a meme or something going around and I
love resharing it every time itlike pops up on our feed.
But it's like you're nothealing to hold space for the
pain.
You're healing to hold spacefor the joy, and I think a lot
of people forget that, likethere's, there's supposed to be
(05:23):
joy in this journey as well.
So I really love, yeah, youspeaking on it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I want to hear more.
Yeah, and I I feel like kind ofwhat happens with like the
evolution of a spiritualawakening, as someone is like
you know, bliss is ignorant,ignorance is bliss, and like,
wow, I'm living my life and thenall of a sudden, you know, you
have this like sensation ofdiscomfort, like hang on, this
(05:50):
life that I've been workingtowards is not the life that I
want and that you know, or theor my health is declining.
There's some sort of shaking.
You know that that brings youto that is the catalyst for the
spiritual awakening.
And then, somewhere along theway that that kind of ignorance
is bliss, that bliss energyturns into melancholy, and I see
(06:14):
that happening all the timewith people going through a
spiritual awakening is they?
They enter into this verymelancholic state and everything
, everything starts becomingvery heavy and very like
dramatic and traumatic, andthat's okay because a lot of
(06:34):
stuff is surfacing that we'rehaving to process and work
through.
But then I feel like thatmelancholy becomes like a badge
of honor and like how seriouscan you be, how serious can you
take everything?
And and it's like a trancealmost.
And when I and and again I wantto say like there's nothing
(06:58):
wrong with that.
I feel like we all have to go tothose depths and I will revisit
those depths again and again,and again in this lifetime.
I am sure of it.
But we forget that joy is likethe highest vibration.
I mean, love is the highestvibration, but joy and play are
the gateway.
And I feel like it takes itdoes take some work to like get
(07:22):
into a state of play, but Iagree with you Once someone
that's been like reallyentrenched into the world of
spirituality kind of breaks outof it and into joy, there's some
pushback of like oh wait, soyou don't think any of this
matters, or none of it's real,and it's like, yes, absolutely,
(07:45):
but like all the work that I'vebeen doing, that I am doing, is
paying off, and now I'mintegrating, and now I'm in a
state of play and I'm in thatchildlike wonder again and it's,
it's so liberating to be likeI'm going to cut the spiritual
strings and I'm going to live mylife and just be present and um
(08:07):
, that's that's where I am rightnow and it's, it's beautiful
and it's incredible and likereally working with, like the
concepts of pleasure and playinstead of like this deep,
sludgy work, um and and yeah,working with the, working with
pleasure to like help meintegrate and expand is like I
(08:31):
mean.
It's, it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's great.
I read recently that theclinical opposite of trauma is
play.
Oh really, it was one of likethe many rabbit holes I go down,
but I was like, oh my God.
That's why I think, after yougo through that like dark thing,
those things feel so muchbetter Like, because I think
(08:58):
it's literally healing yourbrain composition, like it is
healing the parts of you thatlike change through the
traumatic events, like that play.
Now this is where I am probablygoing to get uncomfortable in
this podcast, because you talkabout pleasure a lot and
Christine and I have mentionedthis before like I'm not there
(09:23):
and I'm not as into my sexuality.
It has been a journey for me tolike really dig into those
parts of myself.
There's a lot of shame aroundthat I grew up in a very
religious household with a sexaddict father, so like I have a
lot of deep, deep shit father.
(09:50):
So like I have a lot of deep,deep shit and I was watching
some of your stuff and talkingabout like the sexual energy.
I need to know how to do thatand how to tap into that.
And where does one start withlike realizing that pleasure and
play and all of these thingsthat we thought were taboo are
actually really really healing.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not there.
It's our power, it's our powersource, and I want to, I want to
throw one on you.
So I, in my research um, cameacross something like the, the
clinical opposite of pleasure.
We've been conditioned to thinkthat it's pain, right, but
pleasure and pain are kind of onthe same spectrum, but actually
(10:34):
the absence or not having thecapacity to come into pleasure
is powerlessness.
Oh what?
So I want you to think aboutthis, and you don't have to
answer, but just think about howyou approach and receive and
(11:01):
your relationship with pleasure,with really owning your
pleasure, not giving it away orperforming, nothing like that.
It's not promiscuity, it'snothing like that, but really
owning, having a deeprelationship with the pleasure
that lives in your sacral centerand your sex organs, and how
(11:24):
that correlates to yourrelationship with abundance.
So do you feel like you have toperform for it?
Do you feel like you have togive, give, give, give, give
before you can receive?
Do you feel like, when youreceive, that it's truly yours?
Do you feel like you're anownership, that you have a deep
(11:47):
relationship with it?
Or do you feel shame, do youfeel guilt, do you feel gross?
Do you feel about the amount ofpleasure that you can
experience and hold and when youreally start thinking about
your relationship with pleasure,how very much it mirrors your
relationship with abundance.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Holy shit, I'm not, I'm not to think on that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And so from there, when, when a woman is in her
full ownership of pleasure and Idon't mean, I don't necessarily
mean Samantha from sex in thecity, I don't mean someone who's
you know, that was going to bemy next question and
performative, yeah, maybesomeone who is promiscuous and
performative is in theirpleasure and that's their
(12:39):
authentic expression of it.
And I'm not shaming that by anymeans, because I think there's
been enough slut shaming in theworld through the patriarchy.
So not shaming that at all, butlike when a woman is in full
ownership of her pleasure andshe knows how to truly turn on
to life, that's a powerful woman, that's a woman that can say no
(13:02):
, that can really tune in to herbody and that can say yes.
That's a woman who can say whatshe wants, how she wants it and
when she wants it, with fullconfidence.
And we have been so conditionedto be guilty, to feel shame, to
(13:22):
feel like our pleasure is foulor nasty or or low vibration or
primal.
Um, because it's our powersource, because it's our power
source.
And so what better way to takepower away from a woman than to
tell her her experience ofpleasure is bad a woman than to
(13:47):
tell her, her experience ofpleasure is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, so there's so many questions.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
There's so much that was so good.
Can you share like an examplefrom you of how you tapped into
that?
Yes, because I think.
I think so many women strugglewith that and so many women are
uncomfortable.
Can I?
I'm not going to rat you out.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You can rat me out.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm going to write you out a little bit.
Even if I talk about pleasurewith Leah, she gets very
uncomfortable Me just sharing it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, and I shut it down.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Like, but she's visibly um like I like get red.
I'm already.
She will literally and I'm likeI'm talking about me, I'm not
talking about you, and she willbreak out in hives, like it's
like, and I think so.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Or we've been conditioned.
This is not safe, we should notbe talking about this and like.
This is like just such deepancestral trauma of like when a
woman shares with another womanabout her own pleasure, it's
like we can't even.
Oh, like I that like this isoff limits, this is off limits
(15:07):
and that's just that's not evenours, that's like handed down
through the ages.
So one of my big things was um,I never self-pleasured.
Um, and I don't use the wordmasturbation, because that
actually it its roots andetymology means to pollute with
the hand.
Yeah, so another patriarchal.
(15:32):
Let's strip them of their power.
So I don't use that word.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I am taking that word out of my vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, so I use the word self-pleasure.
So I, for I mean my whole life.
I didn't engage inself-pleasure.
So I, for I mean my whole life.
Like I didn't engage inself-pleasure.
I was like my arms are too long, like my anatomy is not right.
This is silly.
I have more important things todo.
Like this is just yet anotherthing the patriarchy wants me to
(16:04):
do.
This is this is just yetanother thing the patriarchy
wants me to do.
Like I had been so conditionedto think that pleasure was just
like really for the man.
And like if I'm self pleasuring, then like it's what's the
point, you know?
Like it doesn't really feelthat good.
Like my orgasm experience wasvery like you know, it's like
okay, like why, what's the pointin all of this?
(16:26):
Um, and then I had this ahaaround pleasure and abundance
and um, so I have this birthmarkon my lip and I've had a lot of
surgeries on it, so it looks alot smaller than what it was
when I grew up with.
I stopped getting surgeries onit, cause I'm finally in full
self-acceptance with it, but itconditioned in me a belief that
(16:49):
I was just inherently flawed,that like I was just not right
somehow, and so I always wasliving this life of like seeing
people at the table, seeingpeople online and like they have
something that I don't have,like they have it figured out
and I will never figure it outbecause there's something broken
(17:11):
inside of me.
And so I felt like, in order toreally come into abundance, I
had to like act like everyoneelse that was doing it, like the
yoga teacher, you know, let meput on my serious spiritual hat
or like online entrepreneur, letme do like this and you know,
(17:32):
and so like really coming intothis, like oh shit, like the way
I approach pleasure is the wayI approach abundance, and right
now I don't even feel capable ofcreating pleasure within my own
body without the help of apartner, and even then I'm not
(17:53):
really enjoying it.
So I committed to myself to goon a journey of self-pleasure
and started telling myselfyou're not broken, your arms are
the perfect length, megan.
Like you can, you can reachthere.
And and then like reallystarted thinking like how can I
(18:16):
use my breath, how can I be verypresent with this?
How can I stop like goingthrough the grocery list or
thinking that this isn'timportant and really, really
cultivate a relationship with myown pleasure, and so I mean
started creating like instead ofmeditation, I'm going to have
self-pleasure moments and likereally really creating a
(18:40):
practice around it, until itfelt safe.
And now it feels very safe andreal good and I found, like all
the different like what do whatdo I like?
I like listening to, like eroticstories and I like listening to
like tantric music or to likelike music that has like moaning
(19:04):
and stuff in the background,you know, and like really
finding like what supports meand my pleasure and what toys
and what like lubes, and youknow, like how do I even like to
dress when I come into practiceof self pleasure?
I like silk and I like satinand I like really pretty colors
and really cultivating thisrelationship with my own
(19:26):
pleasure.
It took me into a space offeeling like I actually have.
I have the power to do whateverI want.
And I'm going to tell you alittle story.
It's a little too much.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I do not care, please go on, I'm going to get hives
over here, no big deal.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I this was kind of like in the middle of like
really coming into my ownpleasure and I was in an airport
and I was reading a book.
Oh, another thing is I switchedfrom self-development to like
erotic fiction Instead of likereading about pleasure.
I was like give me some smutand and like that really.
(20:09):
I mean it helps you know, I mean, it helps you to become
comfortable with it.
And so, anyway, I was in theairport reading a book, um, an
erotic book, and I got so turnedon that I was like I feel like
I'm going to explode if I don'tlike take care of myself.
And so I went into the airportbathroom and like had myself a
(20:32):
little pleasure moment and thenwas walking around the airport
Like you know that BG song.
Like I was like walking around,like, fuck, yeah, I am so in
(20:56):
charge of my pleasure and Idon't need anybody else.
I can have other people, like Ican invite my husband into like
my pleasure practice and that'samazing and beautiful and I
love when we create pleasure andlove together.
But like I can, I can fullytake care of myself.
And so, like, coming into thislike very empowered relationship
with my pleasure, it's like Ilike I want to walk around and
(21:18):
be like oh my God, I'm magic andyou're magic.
You don't need anything.
You don't need anything and youcan just like and you're not
broken, right, and you're notbroken, your arms aren't too
long.
That is incredible.
It's incredible, and then I wantto share with you, because this
is a really powerful tool that,um, uh, I came up with for my
(21:42):
husband and I.
So, um, when I started on thispleasure journey up until that
point, you know, sex to me feltvery, for the man, very I I
wasn't receiving a lot ofpleasure out of it.
(22:03):
It was like very end goal sexequals penetration.
Like let's hurry this up, Ihave other things to do.
I want to go to sleep, I'mtired.
Like pleasure was not apriority at all.
Was it like?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
a transaction, huh, like transactional in a way.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, my husband and I have like
in a way, yeah, yeah, yeah, andyou know, my husband and I have
like typically a very likeloving, kind hearted, you know,
relationship, so but I alwayskind of felt like I'm, I'm just
a whole, you know, like I, likeI'm not this, this isn't for me
(22:41):
at all, and, um, and that's notthe type of life I want to live
Like.
I want to have a like intimaterelationship with my husband,
with my partner.
That's like life giving, that'slike exuberant and exhilarating
and like deep, passionatepleasure that is fulfilling to
(23:02):
me too.
And so, on this journey, we hadlike a full month where I asked
him to slowly kiss my body fromhead to toe, except where a
bikini would be, and then that'sit, and then it ends there.
And then, you know, we speakkind words to each other and
(23:25):
then go to sleep.
And I was like I need this toreprogram, that I am safe to
receive without performing,without giving back, without
expectations and without ithaving to be hypersexual, um, to
(23:48):
receive this like deep, tender,tlc, to help my brain rewire,
to feel safe.
Um, and that was like gamechanging and he would, he was on
board.
You know, cause I was likehere's where I want it to go.
This is like I truly desire usto have a passionate, pleasure
(24:13):
filled sexual life that then nowI know, leads out into the
whole rest of your relationship.
And and so he was on boardbecause our sex life was
suffering.
I mean, we've been married for17 years Like it was, like not,
it was not fun for him either,you know, but this practice was
(24:33):
the start of him and I reallyrecalibrating and redefining
what pleasure looks like and howwe can create it for each other
and, um, I mean, it's been lifechanging.
So homework.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Ah, yeah, yeah, I'm.
I'm glad you said all of that,because I feel like when there
is a woman who, like, owns hersexuality, men and women
automatically assume okay.
So she's like a slut, she'slike you know um.
(25:11):
Samantha from sex in the city.
Like she does not have respectfor her body.
Or also like, if you talk aboutit, it it makes people really
uncomfortable.
So was that hard for you toshow up on social media and talk
openly about it?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So I kind of um, but I started it out as a sexy
challenge.
I saw, yeah, I was like I'mgoing to share just like little
tips and tools to like help youfeel more confident and like
pleasure in your life.
But I wasn't speaking ofpleasure from like an erotic
(25:52):
sexual pleasure stance, justkind of like pleasure, like
gratitude, you know.
And then Instagram startedcensoring me for even using the
word sexy or sensual Interesting, in fact, you can't even use
the hashtags sexy, sensual orpleasure.
(26:15):
They're blocked.
Wow, and because I was usingthose words in my actual reel,
like in the text, in the real,and then in the captions,
instagram blocked all of mystuff from being seen by non
followers and that reallytriggered something into me like
(26:38):
hold up, like all I'm trying todo is teach women how to feel
more confident and I'm beingblocked like this is this, is
there's something here, and thatlike really put me on a course
of like.
No, no, no, no, like I need totalk about this more.
(27:00):
Um, and then it was kind oflike a big F, you to like the
man of like.
No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talkabout this.
End of like.
No, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonnatalk about this and I do feel
like the fact that you knowpeople, people in my community
that have been following me fora long time, or not even a few
months.
They know that I'm married, thatI've been married for a long
(27:23):
time, they know that I havethree kids, they know that I am
safe, and so I feel like metalking about pleasure.
I feel like someone like metalking about pleasure is very
needed in the social media space, because right now, the people
(27:45):
talking about pleasure no,they're amazing.
I love them, but they're very,they're very sexual, they're
very, or maybe they're notmothers, and that's that's
totally fine.
I love that.
Or maybe they're not, nor haveever been in a committed
relationship, and that's totallyfine.
(28:06):
But there's not a lot of youknow, 40 something year old
women who have kids, who arejust like you're going to see me
at the grocery store, lookinglike crap or looking amazing.
You know you're going to see melike in the carpool line.
You're going to see me showingup with no makeup on and stories
(28:28):
, doing something ridiculous,and I think that I think women
need to see a woman like me.
You know I'm not like in a silkrobe in Costa Rica with like a
crystal wand up my private parts.
You know again, nothing wrongwith that.
It's amazing.
(28:49):
Praise be hallelujah.
I love it and I love all thepeople doing that.
Um, so for me it was like, okay, I'm going to have to get a
little uncomfortable for alittle bit, but this is so, it's
so needed, it's so needed.
And, yes, maybe I'll losefollowers, but that's okay.
Um, I've lost followers in thepast and people will DM me and
(29:11):
be like I unfollowed you becauseI wasn't ready for what you had
to say, and now I'm back and Ilove that.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So I'm going to be candid and honest here, because
I understand the other type ofsexual persona that is online
and I, because of where I am, inmy sexual power, that
intimidates the fuck out of meand I'm probably not going to be
(29:43):
able to relate to what theyhave to share.
But it's, it's very much likewhat you're saying.
Like I'm also a mother, I alsohave three kids, I also am very
you know it, christine's my hypegirl always like show that
cleavage and I'm like, oh God,oh, I don't know if I could do
that.
So it's, it's a process for me.
(30:05):
So, like I feel like I would bemore willing to listen to
someone who is morerepresentative of where I am in
life.
And that kind of brings me tomy next point, because I think
and I, I know this, but I don'tknow if our listeners know this
(30:26):
about, like the femalearchetypes um, the mother, the
crone, the maiden, um, and youhave kind of put out there that
there's a fourth archetype thatnobody really talks about, and
so can you go into that a littlebit?
But also, like, in a very quickshort, make it easy way, like
(30:49):
explain what the others are too,yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, um, and these archetypes aren't just, uh,
relegated to age, you know.
So you can be in all fourarchetypes, even in one month of
your cycle, um, and you canreally hold the energy of one
particular archetype, you knowin your essence, but all of them
(31:15):
are available to you.
So I just want to preface withthat.
So the maiden archety andenergetic, very curious, but
also can be very gullible, very,what's the word I'm looking for
(31:41):
?
Naive, naive, naive, and thenlike very open to, oh well, she
said it's like this.
So therefore it is, that's thetruth.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Impressionable.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
There we go.
Every archetype has a shadowand an expanded side.
Yeah, of course, a lot ofpeople they feel like, when they
discover, play again thatthey're in the maiden phase.
But it's actually this fourthone that's not talked about, um,
(32:13):
and then we have the motherarchetype, which, um, you know,
it's very nurturing, it's, it'svery, um, uh like responsible.
I've got this like let me holdyou, um, but the shadow side is
martyr, um, and resentment andand and losing oneself and and
(32:35):
like just kind of all right,well, this is my role, so
therefore, this is like, let mecheck all the boxes and this is
what I'm supposed to look like,and and kind of loss of identity
would that be like the?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
well, I'm a mom now yes I can't be sexy, I'm a mom
yeah, I feel that one a lotright which is like why you know
right, yeah, I can't do thatanymore.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, it's because women were seen as possessions
and once they had the children,they were no longer of.
You know, they fulfilled theirduty.
And so let's take them off themarket completely and tell them
they can't be sexy anymore or intheir power, because there's
nothing left for them to doexcept be this mother figure,
(33:21):
and that's, that's bullshit,right, yeah?
And then there's the nextarchetype, which I'll touch on,
but I'm going to get to the lastarchetype, which is Chrome.
And so in our society, becauseof this conversation and these
three, you know more well-knownarchetypes, we feel like, well,
(33:41):
there's mother, and then there'snothing in between.
And then I go to Chrome, whichis the matriarch.
It's the like, very grounded,um, I got this like.
But the, the expanded side ofthe crone is like I think of
diane von furstenberg, like I'min my power, I don't give a fuck
(34:06):
, I have nothing to prove to youand I'm living my best life
like, remember, iris Appel, likeshe you know this just like
very authentic, just wise woman.
But the other, the shadow sideof Crone, can be like very, um,
they're, they're holding theline of oppression and making
(34:29):
sure everyone else is going tobe like.
You know a lot of the likegrandmas on sitcoms and they're
just, like you know, holdingdown the fort and making sure
all these rules are kept inplace, but they really don't
know.
They're just reinforcing anoppressive, they're just
carrying it out.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think of the movie Encanto, oh yeah, I don't know
why?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
but I immediately like, went to like the grandma
Cause it is like she's the wiseone she like she's the one who
started the powers and all ofthat.
But, yeah, yeah, and so she'sthe wise one, but is her wisdom
actually for the expansion or isit?
Is it oppressive?
Right, it's oppressive, becauseshe was the maiden once and,
okay, I will accept what I hearas truth and then I'm just going
(35:15):
to carry it out through therest of my life because I never
thought critically and I neverconnected to my pleasure.
Oh, shit, yeah, and the thingis we can be in shadow and
expansion at the same time, sowe can have it's not just one or
(35:35):
the other, but this fourtharchetype that we don't talk
about as much because it isdangerous to a society that
really depends on the oppressionof women, and that's the wild
woman archetype and it's betweenthe mother and the crone and a
lot of women.
(35:55):
Regardless if you have humanchildren or not, you don't have
to have human children to be amother archetype by any means.
In fact, there's a lot ofchildren whose mothers may still
be stuck in maiden, that had toassume the role of the mother
archetype at a very young ageand never really got to
(36:16):
experience the maiden archetype,and they're staying in that
role of mother archetype becausethey didn't really ever have
the freedom to play and to, youknow, eyes wide open, and they
had to like get to work, youknow, pretty early.
But the wise woman or the wildwoman archetype is, it kind of
(36:39):
takes the, the playful, joyfulexpression of the maiden,
combines it with, like thatnurturing energy of the mother
and then this like hang on, likeI'm, I'm allowed to like really
enjoy my life and think formyself and I feel like pleasure
is a big key to this wild womanessence and I feel very
(37:04):
connected to this essence rightnow.
It's all about to like creativeexpression.
She's painting, she's dancing,and not to be good, not to
create good work, but to likefully express herself.
And it's kind of messy and wildand she's doing what she wants
and how she wants it.
She's not prescribing tosomeone else's belief system,
(37:27):
you know, she's finding whatworks for her.
And I feel like this archetypeisn't talked about too much
because the patriarchy or thepowers that be want us to go
from mother to crone.
We've had, you know, when ourkids are get a little older,
(37:48):
like my youngest is four now.
Like you want me to stay inthis mother archetype until I'm
70?
.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Like, well, that's, it's, it's.
I think it's it's too powerfulfor the patriarchy.
It is everybody to step intothat wild woman role.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It is, yeah, and I mean, you know it's the woman
who doesn't give a fuck, she'snot keeping up with the Joneses,
she's like living life by herown terms and that's very
dangerous to a society thatdepends on us playing along.
You know, and, and so I findthat there's three big pillars
(38:33):
that really support this wildwoman archetype.
And it's body wisdom, likeknowing fully your body, what
your body loves, knowing theanatomy of your own arousal and
pleasure, knowing your hormones.
Like really bringing yourselfinto an expression of vitality
(38:56):
and health because you trustyour own intuition.
You know what to eat, you knowhow to eat, you know how to
pleasure yourself, you know howto keep your chi and your life
force energy flowing.
And you're educated on yourbody like, on your like arousal
and how to like activate thatpleasure.
And then the second would becreative expression Like you are
(39:20):
open to creatively expressingyourself in the way that you
speak and the way that you dressand the way that you um, write,
dance, play, you know whatgarden decorate your home.
It's you and it's authenticrepresentation of who you are
and what you're feeling.
And a lot of women are scared todo that because we live in this
(39:43):
critique culture, Like if Iexpress myself, someone's going
to tell me what's wrong with itor bad, or how to improve and
how to get better.
And that starts, I mean, atbirth, like oh, that was good,
but let's talk about you knowwhat you did wrong so you can
get better.
And that just completely shutsdown our muse.
And then we're like, well, Idon't have a creative bone in my
(40:03):
body, so like I'm not going to,I'm not even going to try that.
But creative expression is soimportant and it's all there in
like the sacral center whereyour sexual energy lives too.
And then, lastly, is likereally committing to adopting a
perspective of lightheartednessand joy, again, like we talked
(40:24):
about at the beginning, likethat melancholy is so dense, but
how can you get out of that andaccept pleasure and play as
actually the gateway?
And when you combine thosethree things that light hearted
perspective, creative expressionand body wisdom I feel like
these are the ingredients toreally step into this wild woman
archetype.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So if all of these archetypes have, like this
duality, what is the duality inthe wild woman?
Good question I forgot aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So it can be like controlling and manipulative and
also kind of aloof and like Idon't need you.
So like very kind of exiled um,not community oriented um,
which I've had to work onbecause I can get very into my
own, like little hermit space um, and, like you know, an
(41:20):
attitude of judgment, um, but Ithink that comes with all of it,
but like I haven't figured outand you don't, so like therefore
I am better than you got it?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Are we on our way to being wild women?
I think I am a wild woman.
You are a wild woman.
But just listening to youtalking about, like the
different stages like we werehaving a conversation weeks ago
about how, like how the fuck amI, 40 years old and just now
learning about the luteal phaseold and just now learning about
(41:53):
the luteal phase why was thisnot taught to me when I was a
teenager?
Why am I learning this now,like learning how to work with
our hormones, like some of theshit that I've read?
Like most women who areadmitted into a psychiatric
hospital, it happens duringtheir luteal phase and nobody
talks about that.
Like, anyway, I'm just it.
(42:14):
It just kind of blows my mindthat we are not taught about our
own bodies and our own hormones.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
So learning that now has been kind of a mind fuck.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Learning that now has been kind of a mindfuck.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It is yeah.
And when I so, I was feeling soawful and I had been like on a
journey, on a health journey,for years, and one day, I don't
know, the Holy Ghost came downto me and was like Google.
And I Googled are my hormonesfucked up?
And I don't know what, I don'tknow what spurred me to do that.
(42:53):
And, um, a little quiz poppedup.
And you know, the quiz was likeabsolutely yes, your hormones
are fucked up.
And so I found um a hormone, umhealth practitioner I live in
Boise, here in Boise, and I gotmy hormones tested like a
specific, like you know.
And I got my hormones testedlike a specific, like you know,
(43:14):
a doctor who looks at hormones,like, let's test your hormones,
I'm looking for this.
And she's like yeah, yourbody's basically not making
testosterone anymore.
And so all the symptoms that Ihad been experiencing very low
libido, intense brain fog,intense fatigue, just like kind
of like no zest for life anymoreAll of that was low
(43:36):
testosterone.
And then I started getting umtestosterone therapy and it like
it.
It changed my life.
You know, I'm like why is thisnot talked about more?
Yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
And because we don't want us tohave power not like they,
whoever they is, they don't wantus to have this knowledge,
knowledge is power and apowerful woman is terrifying.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
And I related to your post.
You you shared that you haveLyme disease and um, we, we went
to a, we interviewed afunctional practitioner and then
we started working with her andum, like I've been in the
health and fitness industry wasI was in there for a long time
and I it's like I did so muchdamage to my body and to my gut
(44:28):
and to my hormones because ofhow like hard on myself I was,
like Leah's had less strugglesbecause she's been cause I don't
like to work out Well, but butalso like you've been more
gentle with yourself in that wayand and like been softer with
yourself in that way and where.
(44:49):
I was like go hard in the paintLike if, if, if I'm not sweating
, if I'm not burning, like athousand calories, and it's,
it's done, wreaked havoc on mybody and so trying to reverse
that has been crazy, but anyways, I don't even know where I was
going with that.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well, I will say, like you know, I believe a woman
can do anything a man can do,but I also believe that even the
way we've been positioned towant our bodies to look, and
even the way that we show up ingyms and workouts, it's all
positioned and conditioned on aman's body.
(45:26):
And then women are like I cando it and we can, and that's
amazing.
But like the woman, the worldis like not set up to the lens
of the female body.
I'm left handed and I feel thesame about being a left handed
person.
Like the world is set up.
It's a right hand man's world.
Yeah, yeah.
(45:49):
But like, yeah, even the way weapproach, like working out and
and just even our day and themonth, and like it's not set up
to support female, the femalebody.
And when you really start tothink about, like the whole
world, and even like having thesix pack abs, like that's a very
(46:12):
masculine body feature.
And if you look at women overthe years, you know the like
roundish, softer lower belly,like that's a feminine.
But we, but even that has beenbad.
And like no, your tummy needsto look like this.
And again, there's nothingwrong with that.
It's beautiful, all bodies arebeautiful.
(46:35):
But it's just when you reallystart to think about, holy crap,
like literally the ideal ofeverything is based off of the
male experience.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, and now, knowing what I know, I didn't
grow up with a dad, I didn'tgrow up with safe men, so a lot
of my life was keeping up withthem to be like see, I can
fucking do it, I don't need aman, I don't need a man, I can
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
What just happened.
Yeah, oh, am I still here.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
My screen went blank.
So, and to what you're saying,like, I'll be the one to say it.
Like, just because you can doeverything a man can do doesn't
mean we should be doing that.
Like I, that has been a bigpart of of my journey, too, is
(47:28):
realizing that like, justbecause I was able to work 40
plus hours a week and take careof my kids and do all of this
doesn't mean I was meant to doall of that.
So that, like you can.
But who are you proving to like?
Who are you trying to prove tothat you can?
Like yourself, society, otherwomen, other men, like that was
(47:53):
a life that I I hated like, andand I think to everyone else
they could, they saw me doingthis, they saw the business I
owned and the, the life that Ihad and the kids that I was
raising.
They're like, oh wow, look ather go.
And like really I was dyinginside just trying to keep up.
So just, because you can?
(48:15):
that's where I'm like, but do Ihave to?
I?
Speaker 3 (48:19):
don't want to.
It's a really interestingconversation that I don't have
all the answers to for sure, butit is like you know, there's a
meme going around right nowthat's like are real, you know,
and it's like you know, to allthe women who were, like you
know, had goals of like beingthe girl boss, working the nine
(48:42):
to five, making six figures like, who now just want to like stay
at home and do nothing, likehow, how's your life going?
And I get it.
I also know that, like, I havethis fire inside of me, um, and
being a stay-at-home mom is not,um, fulfilling for me.
I know it is for some women andthat's beautiful and it's
wonderful, um, so it's likewhere I feel like it's having to
(49:04):
like redefine a whole likeparadigm of what a fulfilled
woman looks like because, likeyou know, burning the candles at
both in working the corporatejob or even being an
entrepreneur, and, like you know, going all in and raising
children, it's, it's, it's, it'shard, it's very hard, you know.
(49:28):
So it's like I don't, I don'thave the answer, but there's got
to be some way.
And to also have your own money.
And it's a big conversation.
But, yeah, working 80 hours aweek.
Prove it, boss, babe.
Again, nothing wrong with thatfor those that align with it,
(49:50):
like truly authentically alignwith it.
But um, it's a, it's tough.
Yeah, it's tough, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
So you, you talk a lot on um, your social media,
about like showing upauthentically, and about a month
, a month and a half ago, I dida mushroom journey and I don't
know if you know anything abouthuman design, but, um, I'm a
projector.
What is your human design?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I'm a generator, I'm a five one.
Of course that makes a lot ofsense.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Okay, that makes so much so for you.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Like the work ethic is like so much bigger because
I'm like I'm manifestor andshe's a projector and we're over
here Like I want to do less.
I was trying to keep up withall the generators of the world
and now I'm like I only am agenerator when I'm lit up, if
something is lit up, meh no.
Yeah, no effort.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I'll just read a book instead.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, a smut book, yeah, so, but pretty much the
basis of my journey, it was allabout doing less, being more,
showing up as authentically aspossible and things will just
(51:12):
come to you.
You don't, you don't need tolike, that's just like you.
Just be you and things willcome to you and things will
happen to you.
Okay, I'm working onintegrating this because, like,
I don't know how to do that andso, like I think.
So I think like, when you, likea lot of people, say, like,
(51:37):
just be your authentic self andjust show up on your platform
and be authentic, what the fuckdoes that mean, do you?
know, what I'm.
I understand the idea.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
So I want to invite you to take that question into
your pleasure practice, becauseI can't tell you the answer.
But your pleasure center can.
And if you go into so, like Iwas saying earlier, like I now,
(52:11):
I replaced meditation withself-pleasure and now I do.
You know a little bit of both.
Whenever I mean, I usually gofor the self-pleasure, but like,
can you enter into aself-pleasure practice?
Maybe put on some beautifulmusic, set the intention of like
(52:33):
just feeling your authenticself.
What is the message?
Right now?
You know what's on my heart,what feels really good and juicy
to me.
Um, and take that into yourpleasure practice and just open
yourself up.
And then you know, after climaxor whatever, just integrate and
just like really open yourselfup to the messages and to the
(52:58):
softness you know and like I'mnot saying like open up your
phone.
At that moment You're like heyguys.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I just saw pleasure.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Guess what I just did , but like take it to your
pleasure, you know, and like letyour let pleasure give you the
answers.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Um, so that's really interesting that you say that,
because the journey was thefirst.
This journey was the first timeI did a heroic dose of
mushrooms with MDMA.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
And so I okay so.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I got that lesson and it was like do less, be more,
and the right things will cometo you.
And then, like the MDMA part ofthe journey is like okay, now
you got that lesson, now embodyit right now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
And so.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I had like this whole experience on my bed, where
again I was just like I'mamazing.
Yeah, like feeling it andfeeling myself and like having
this intimate experience withmyself.
Now it wasn't self-pleasure inthat way, but it was I totally.
(54:13):
I was like, I felt like I hadan exorcism in my bed.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I was like rolling around and feeling my hair and
touching myself and I'm likethis is crazy.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
So I just thank you for that because it is, I feel
like what you said and theexperience tied in together.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
So with that experience, I want to put you on
the spot a little bit Like whatdid you know to be so deeply
true about yourself in thatexperience?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I think I have.
I think that there is thisbigness to me and I have this
like very big aura.
That's I think I'm like.
I feel like uncomfortable, likesaying nice things about myself
, no, you gotta own it.
(55:19):
I feel like I have thismagnetic presence, but I don't
know what to do with it.
I'm like getting emotional.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
It's weird Because when we speak our truth and like
, emotion is connected to truthand there's this bigness that
wants to come out, so, of course, like, there's this emotion
that's finally being dislodged.
So, showing up authentically,show up big, show up owning
yourself, like own it, and showup from that space.
(55:50):
You don't have to play like, oh, if I'm like humble and meek
and sweet, then maybe peoplewill like me more.
Like, own it, own the bigness,show up on that bigness, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
And I'm not, I'm not that in real life.
Meet me and you're like, ohyeah, she is big and I feel like
I show up like that on thepodcast, but then when it comes
to actually like showing up onsocial media, I'm like I don't
feel big anymore okay, we'llfigure out.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
figure out how to show up big yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
You know yourself you posted something yesterday and
I was like, oh shit, she justgot on our stories and talked,
just talked and that was hugefor you, I know that was big for
you I almost deleted it, sothat was showing up
authentically.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Are we in therapy right now?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yes, yes, we are Shit .
She literally just got on thereand talked freely.
It wasn't like a trend, itwasn't like something specific
and I was just like fuck yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
You don't ever do that.
We trusted that.
Yeah, like wherever thatemotion is coming from right now
, like feel it because it'swanting to be expressed you know
, like showing up in thatbigness and also knowing when
not to show up.
You know, like, yeah, that's abig part of me.
(57:21):
Showing up authentically islike there will be two or three
days where you don't see me atall, because and I know for,
like, from a businessperspective, like that's very
bad, but I'm trying to changethe paradigm, you know.
So if I don't feel like showingup, I'm not, I'm doing other
stuff, but like I'm here tochange the paradigm, not to just
(57:43):
be consistent for the sake ofconsistency and so, but.
But showing up authentically Ithink a lot of people think that
means like showing up withwhatever emotional state you're
in and like sharing vulnerably,and that's one piece of it.
But showing up truly deeply,authentically, is owning that,
(58:06):
that bigness inside of you andknowing that you don't have to
perform, that you don't have toprove anything.
You know that you're enough andyou, you can be seen owning
yourself.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, I think, I guess, I think in the places I
feel safe.
I do show up big yeah, but on apublic platform I'm like I get
very insecure.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
I think I'm going to take this back to you, meg being
like a self, like a hype girl,like it's, it's part of your bio
, like you are like the biggesthype girl and I am like
witnessing it right now.
Yeah and B, but what I just?
I find this very interestingbecause you are such a hype girl
(58:54):
for everyone else.
You've done that for me, likewhen I struggled showing up
authentically, you were like, ohmy God, you're just do it and
you're so good and you know whatyou know and you just you exude
this ball and then it's hard towatch you struggle with that
same thing because you're such agood hype girl.
(59:15):
But I don't.
Maybe a hype girl needs other,another hype girl.
Oh yeah, like it's hard to beyour own hype girl.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
It is.
I've got plenty of hype girlsin my life.
Yeah, okay, I need it.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Oh, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
I'm sorry you're crying, but no, it's good, it's
really good.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, I want to give you a prayer.
So, um, are you familiar withthe author, sue Monk Kidd?
No, oh, I love her book.
Okay, I'm going to clip that soI remember.
She's a fiction writer, novels,and there's this book called the
Book of Longs and it'sbeautiful, oh I love it, but
(59:59):
it's about it's a story of awoman who's finding herself in
in like biblical times.
It's not a religious book, butit's set in biblical times and
she's like really learning whoshe is and she says this prayer
(01:00:19):
and it it resonated so deeplywith me.
And again, it's a fiction, it'sa novel, it's a fiction book
but I I read it like two orthree years ago and I've been
using it ever since and it'sjust blessed the largeness
inside of me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Fuck, you have to like write that on your mirror
at home.
I'm going to you.
Absolutely should do that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, and when I read that I was like, oh well, that
was for me, you know, and foryou too, and it's like we and I
feel like that connects to mymessage of pleasure yeah, even
oh, sorry, go ahead.
We've been so conditioned tokeep it small, every our
(01:01:07):
pleasure, our beauty, ourexpression, to keep it small, to
keep it safe.
Because you know, what ifsomeone makes fun of me?
What if someone calls me stupid?
What if someone can do itbetter than me?
There's so many reasons.
What if I'm cast out?
What if I'm judged, you knowwhatever?
Um, but like we, but like we'redone with that, we're done with
(01:01:28):
that.
Look at the world, it's onfucking fire.
You know, women being in theirsmallness is not the answer.
It's not the answer.
And so when we can bless thelargeness inside of us, when we
can own fully our pleasure toknow to say what we want, how we
(01:01:54):
want it and when we want it,and to be fully turned on by
life like this, is how we changethe world.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah, and you know, like man, I needed that.
I didn't even know that Ineeded that.
But even you talking about likeI used to read like
self-development books and allof that, and then now I just
started like reading some likesmut, like even that little
thing resonated with me so muchbecause I'm like I feel like I
have to like do all of thesethings to be in this space and
(01:02:34):
sometimes like healing isreading a smut book and like
being okay with that and likeyeah and yeah, hot outfit and
red lipstick and owning yourlargeness Like Shit, wow, okay,
it's not putting on the mask ofwhat you think you're supposed
to look like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
That's showing up inauthentically.
Yeah.
You know like play with yourown ego.
You have permission to playwith your personality, with your
ego.
You know to like adorn anddecorate and and be you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
You know and share a message of love and expansion,
and you literally are such agood hype Like that is like like
that was something I didn'teven know I needed, but I did.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, it's therapy, it's church.
We didn't even like go down ourlist of questions which I know.
Literally.
I love when that happens, likeI'm sure we touched on a lot of
them, but like, honestly, thisconversation went exactly where
we wanted it to go where weneeded it to go, we might need
to do a part two with hereventually, Like come back on in
(01:03:48):
another six months and talk tous about your um medicine
journeys Cause we didn't evenget into that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Right, oh, I want to share really quickly.
So I recently also did um apsilocybin journey and in my
journey it was very similar toyours, christine, of like, own,
own it, fully own it.
And my message was like you,megan, you like literally come
(01:04:16):
from a lineage of queens and youhave to own this queen energy,
you have to.
And the less you do like aqueen doesn't perform, a queen
doesn't need to prove that she'sa queen, she just is, you know.
(01:04:36):
And and then my guide, rupaul,rupaul, rupaul, you better work
In full drag and was like own it, own it.
And I kept having like theRuPaul in full drag, like this
big In my journey and just likethis queen, like own it, own it,
(01:04:58):
queen.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
And so oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
I want to give that to you.
When you feel like you needyour own hype girl, just call on
little tiny RuPaul and fulldrag telling you to own it.
And can we have like a?
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
also a mini mag, like a mini mag and a mini RuPaul,
one on each shoulder.
Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
And I'm telling you like I found you because I was
like her vibe.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I resonate with that, but I don't know how to show up
as that.
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
You are that in real life, like that's.
I think the thing that I knowyou are that.
Oh, it's a.
It's a one of the things that Ido.
When I can feel I'm likegetting into that mass
performance of inauthenticity, Ijust fuck it, like fuck it, and
then just show up, as me youknow.
So you have your rupaul own itand then it's just fuck it yeah
(01:06:01):
fuck it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna have you.
I'm gonna have RuPaul and youum okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
How can our listeners um find you for when they need
a hype girl?
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
and do you have anything like coming up?
Yeah, like how can people workwith you?
Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
yeah.
So I'm gonna be launching agroup experience soon called
juicy, where, where we're goingto get into those three pillars
of creative expression body,wisdom and joyful perspective
and it's like really to helpwomen step into their power.
And when I say power, I'mtalking about really cultivating
(01:06:42):
that relationship with yourpleasure center and becoming
like fully turned on, a magnetic.
So that's going to be, that'sgoing to be happening in the
fall.
Um, I will be, um.
Registration is opening,actually today or tomorrow for a
couple's retreat in Mexico, um,in October.
(01:07:02):
And then we'll all have another, another couples retreat, Um,
and there will be um, someonethere, um, as uh, facilitating
with psilocybin, um for oneceremony.
And then, um, I've got somewomen's retreats that are in the
works I'm not announced yet,but they're coming up.
But that couples retreat inOctober is, um, it'll, it'll go
(01:07:26):
quick.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So okay, yeah, so get on it guys.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram and then my
website Tik TOK, I'm.
I'm a 47 year old woman, I'myou know, I'm learning.
I think I've got like 600followers on Tik TOK.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'm like oh yeah, there's that too, but you have
like a hundred thousand onInstagram, so I think you're
doing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
TikTok is weird.
It's a very strange place.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
If you find me on TikTok you know I'm not as
active on there.
It's very much an afterthoughtfor me right now.
Oh, I also have a free um substack community so you can sign
up for that.
Um, my latest issue, my July.
We're in July, right?
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
July issue went out today.
Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Um, and that's just full of like yumminess and
delight.
It feels like a little treasurebox of joy.
So you can register for that.
It's free Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Awesome.
Thank you for everything todayLike this was such a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Like I want to be friends in real life.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I want to come to all the retreats.
Thank you for therapy.
My friend here, get out of thislike what you got out of this.
I mean we both got a lot out ofthis today, but like, hopefully
this resonates with ourlisteners.
I think if you're a femaleperiod like at all, this is this
(01:08:50):
is going to hit home for you.
So thank you for all thatyou're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You're incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And to our listeners um, stay curious, be open and
we'll see you guys on the otherside.
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