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Health Quest and Faithful Love Weaving Marital Bliss
Spirit, Soul and Body Health that Transforms Family
Guests: Sam & Norma Bart-Williams
As we gathered around the mic with Sam and Norma Bart-Williams, their laughter and shared glances told a story that's spanned over three decades. Their remarkable saga, filled with faith, love, and a shared dedication to their careers and each other, unfolded in our latest episode. They divulged the significance of God's presence in every slice of their lives, from parenting to their professional endeavors. Their tales of migrating to the U.S., mastering the art of pickleball, and seeking divine guidance each day truly reveal the fabric that has kept their union strong and resilient.
Embarking on a health odyssey, Sam draws from his rich background in engineering and tech to unravel the complexities that lie beneath various health concerns. The discussion ventures beyond symptoms to the root causes that often go unnoticed. Our conversation is laden with anecdotes connecting the dots between stress, lifestyle, and overlooked factors like vitamin D deficiency. Prepare to discover how a holistic approach to wellness, embracing the body-soul-spirit nexus, could empower you on your journey to optimal health.
Ending on a note of profound transformation, we uncover how divine love can dramatically deepen marital connections. I open up about my own epiphanies in learning to accept God's love, which in turn enriched my ability to love my wife with a newfound depth. Together, Trisha and I unravel insights and wisdom for couples yearning to strengthen their bonds. We invite you to join our community, not just as listeners but as contributors, by suggesting topics close to your heart for future episodes that aim to nurture and celebrate the sanctity of marriage.
We are Trisha and Thomas Walker, licensed ministers, relationship coaches, & prayer counselors where we teach couples how to deepen their relationship with each other and with God. This is the Seeds For Your Marriage podcast where we share biblical wisdom and practical advice on building a strong, healthy, and fulfilling marriage rooted in faith. These marriage stories are to inspire you and give you a deeper understanding of God's design for marriage and steps to having a Christ-centered and thriving family.
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Sam Bart-Williams (00:00):
We're here to bring solutions to problems on
the earth, and where is that?
God's called us?
And if we have health problems,god has the answer, and it's
knowing when to surrender to him, which is always to find out
what his solution is to theproblem.
Sometimes I think I know whatthe solution is.
(00:20):
He'll tell me somethingcompletely different, but you
need somebody advocating for youand you need to advocate for
yourself, and you need to knowthat there's a realm out there
of solutions that most peoplearen't aware of.
Trisha Walker (00:35):
This is the Seeds for your Marriage podcast,
where we interview marriedcouples who have overcome
difficulties in their marriageand share their testimony of how
they did it.
We want these tips and tools toinspire and help you thrive in
your marriage.
Thomas Walker (00:50):
We are Trisha and Thomas Walker relationship
coaches.
We teach couples provenstrategies to connect deeply and
achieve God's design for anamazing marriage.
Trisha Walker (01:01):
Seeds for your marriage.
Thomas Walker (01:03):
Oh, hello.
This is Trisha and Thomas, andwelcome to the Seeds for your
Marriage podcast.
Trisha Walker (01:07):
Absolutely yeah.
So we just want to welcome Samand Norma Bart-Williams.
And why don't you guys justshare a little bit about who you
are and what you do, and we'llgo into what we're going to
cover on this podcast today.
Sam Bart-Williams (01:22):
Go into what we're going to cover on this
podcast today.
So a little bit about me.
Grew up in England and Africa,migrated over here when I was 20
years old, interested in a lotof different things sports, but
really everything I do now iscentered around the Lord,
(01:44):
whether it's the relationshipwith my kids, with Norma, my
work, everything I do I involvethe Lord.
There's nothing I try to leavehim out of, and so he directs my
life.
Now we're playing pickleballtogether now, finally, it only
took us over 30 years to findout what an activity we do
together.
Thomas Walker (01:59):
Yeah, yeah.
We're finally sharing you don'thave to move much in pickleball
.
No, exactly, it's beautiful.
Sam Bart-Williams (02:04):
It's amazing, but the way I played you
wouldn't know it.
Thomas Walker (02:09):
I'm a little aggressive, are you pretty
intense, okay.
Norma Bart-Williams (02:11):
Very intense.
Trisha Walker (02:15):
That's awesome, and Norma, so you guys have been
married 30 years.
Norma Bart-Williams (02:18):
Migrated or immigrated from another country
, which was the British VirginIslands, and at the age of 14.
So I've been here ever sinceand it's different, it's
something new.
And, like he said, yes, when wemet, it was special.
He was the one and we found theLord together, which was really
nice, even though we both knewthe Lord.
We got closer to the Lordtogether, which was really nice,
(02:40):
even though we both knew theLord.
We got closer to the Lordtogether, which was really nice.
And like he says everything wedo.
Well, everything we do, we seekthe Lord.
From the time I get up, I getin my car, that's my prayer room
, Prayer room on the go and weseek the Lord.
Thomas Walker (03:00):
That's amazing.
Well, we're so excited to spendthis time with you both today,
first and foremost because ofyour dedication to a life that
just honors and glorifies Jesusand brings kingdom to earth, but
also the impact that you havein many, many lives through both
(03:21):
of your vocations many livesthrough both of your vocations
and, obviously, that you have amarriage, and this is a marriage
podcast, and you've been at itfor 31 years.
I think Is that right?
So that's amazing.
So we just have so many placesthat I know this conversation is
going to go.
Why don't we just take a minute, though?
And, sam and Norm, if you wouldjust talk a bit about your
professions and what you do dayto day?
Sam Bart-Williams (03:44):
Sure.
So I leveraged my background inengineering and technology to
help people get to the rootcause of their health issues and
help them reverse it.
I'm not a medical doctor, so Idon't prescribe medications, but
I help people understand what'sgoing on in their bodies and
(04:04):
then I coach them through aprocess with recommendations of
how to address those issues,giving them symptom relief
short-term and then also givingthem long-term solutions that
they can maintain throughout therest of their lives.
Norma Bart-Williams (04:16):
For me.
I work for a non-profit agency.
I've worked for them for 22years, just celebrated 22.
And we work with socialservices in Alameda County and
we work with families, familieswho are in need of child care
services.
But we do more than that.
We provide resources thatstrengthen the family and we are
(04:40):
now starting to do mentalhealth, which I think is very
important based on theconditions of society today.
Yeah, and we just want to makesure that we are doing what I
would think that God has put usthere to do.
I feel, because when I first waslooking for this job, I asked
God where does he see me?
And, you know, and he led methere.
(05:03):
In fact, I ended up a day early.
There I was, I, you know, andit was like I said, yes, this is
good, and so it's been.
It's been quite a journey andquite an experience, and I'm
really glad that I found thatposition and I thank God every
day that I meet the people thatI do, and there is a such a need
(05:23):
, such a need that thatsometimes it's just overwhelming
.
Trisha Walker (05:29):
It's just overwhelming sometimes.
Well, we're just really excitedto have you both here.
I know the big topic that weare covering today is on just
our body health, our soul health, our spirit of health, health
and how all of those threethings combine and interrelate
and really can affect even ourrelationships, our families and
(05:54):
yeah.
Thomas Walker (05:54):
So let's just dive right in let's dive so root
cause versus symptoms andwithout going too deep into the
state of medicine in thiscountry, just a high level
perspective and what you see andmaybe just a starting point of
like what you do on a day-to-daybasis and you know how you're
(06:15):
helping people get from thatshort-term to the long-term
sustainable solutions, and Idon't know if there's a question
in there.
But it's a tee up for you tojust start talking, Sam.
Sam Bart-Williams (06:29):
As long as I don't have a problem talking.
But when it comes to the stateof things, as you said before,
typically they address thesymptoms, they address the fruit
and not the root.
If you want to change the fruit, you've got to change the root,
and in order to change the root, you've got to know what the
root causes are.
And so it's about getting anunderstanding of how our body
(06:51):
works.
The Lord showed me that ourbody is a system of
interconnected systems, andsince I used to build systems
software systems and hardwarenetwork systems that made sense
to me, because when I used totroubleshoot instead of covering
up, I mean, if you solve theroot issue, you solve many
issues at the same time.
That's the key there, insteadof, in fact, one time this Lord
(07:13):
gave me this image ofwhack-a-mole.
That's basically what you'redoing when you're hitting and
something else is coming up, andso just trying to get an
understanding of how the body,the principles of the body, work
, that things are interconnected.
In conventional medicine, forexample, things are typically
siloed, so you have thecardiologist, you have the
endocrinologist, and many timesone system is affecting the
(07:35):
other, and so you really needsomebody with an overall
understanding of how thesedifferent systems interconnect
and affect each other, so thatyou can see what's possibly the
underlying cause to what'scausing the symptoms in somebody
.
So initially there's severalparts of what I do.
One is testing.
We like to say test, don'tguess.
So I usually recommend testing.
(07:57):
And then I definitely recommendthat people work with their
physicians, their primary carephysicians.
But you want to be the personthat's in charge of managing
your own health.
It's kind of like your finances.
You want to be.
You may have a financialadvisor, but you want to know
how finances work.
So just as much part of what Ido is education.
(08:19):
I teach people to learn tounderstand how their body works,
and not only their body, buthow that interrelates with their
mind, how they're thinking.
And then you know, many timesspiritual as well.
Most of the people I tend tominister to in health actually
tend to be Christians, sometimesnot.
I've led a couple of them tothe Lord that weren't Christians
(08:40):
.
But this way you get to addressall three of those areas
Wherever the Lord is leading youto.
To get to address all three ofthose areas wherever the Lord is
leading you to, to get to theroot of the problem.
You can if you know all, therearen't any boundaries.
So, on a day-to-day basis,there's a lot of education,
discuss testing, we look at theevolving symptoms, how
(09:02):
progression's happening, and weadjust and we plan, along with
food, what, what foods arelikely best for them based on
what's going on, and thenpossible recommendations in
terms of supplementation as well, where we see there's a
insufficiency not necessarily adeficiency, but sometimes
there's insufficiencies thatconventional medicine misses
(09:24):
yeah, this is just reallyinteresting to me.
Trisha Walker (09:25):
I know I'm thinking about actually a
personal situation that I wasgoing through.
We actually it was bothaffecting us really was after my
youngest daughter was born andwe were living in Seattle and
you know, in Seattle you don'tget a lot of sun, so I was not
getting the vitamin D I needed.
Plus I was breastfeeding, PlusI had three other children in
(09:46):
the home and we were in a highstress situation with his
parents, bowling alley that wewere part owners of and I think
all of those things combined, umI.
Almost a year after she wasborn, I kind of lost it and I
realized um I.
I took a couple of weeks causethe business was actually across
the country.
We were living in Seattle andhis parents' business was in
(10:08):
Atlanta and they needed atemporary manager while we were
in the process of trying to finda new one and their age was
getting up there and theycouldn't really do everything
themselves.
So I went out there for a fewmonths and left my children in
Seattle and I can't believe Idid that, but I did and through
that process I was on thisjourney with the Lord of what is
(10:29):
going on with me, Like I amfeeling so depressed, I don't
know why, what is going on withme and he started showing me.
He started speaking to me aboutthe different areas, Like my
hormones were just all over theplace, right From nursing, from
not getting enough sun, from allof these different things from
stress, and he started showingme the different things that I
needed to do supplement wise, toreally help, I guess, reset my
(10:53):
body.
And it was a journey, but ithelped.
Thomas Walker (10:57):
Yeah, I think that something that you know,
sam.
We talked about the ability,like you gave the story when you
were a kid about the cartilagein your knee and didn't have
much or any, and the Lord spoketo you about that and then you
started doing the things he toldyou to do and now your knees
are fine, and so I just there'ssomething that I'm sensing in
(11:17):
the spirit, which is about notclaiming the things that are
spoken over us and really goingto God, like you just talked
about, and what does he sayabout the situation?
So maybe give some examples orjust your experience, in that
when people come to you and itmight start off with I have this
(11:38):
and I have that and I have this, and it's like, well, do you
want to keep it or do you wantto claim that Right?
Like there's diagnosis and thenthere's the reality.
There's like truth and and soforth.
Sam Bart-Williams (11:50):
You know, first thing I got to say is that
the Lord revealed to me thatthere is nothing, there's no
problem, there's not a solutionfor, and once you realize that
it's learning what the strategyis that he's going to give you.
I mean, there's never, ever,been a hopeless case that I've
come across.
A lot of people that come to mehave been desperate, and that's
usually when you're just sickand tired.
(12:11):
You're just too much pain.
Relationships aren't what youwant them to be, and then you
know, out of desperation, theyfind me somehow.
But there is no situation thatI haven't asked the Lord for a
solution, even for myself or forsomebody else.
He hasn't revealed things to meabout a person individually,
what they need, and that's whatthe Lord says.
(12:33):
First and foremost, people needto have hope.
Where they think there's beenhopelessness, that there's hope
for every single situation.
I haven't come across any kindof disorder or disease that the
Lord hasn't given a solution for.
I mean, it's just amazing, butit's true, and this, actually, I
had to learn this in technology, because the Lord did this for
(12:54):
me in technology first.
He would give me inventions.
He'd give me things that wouldconfound the people who invented
the technology sometimes, andsometimes he'd give me
inventions for things thatneeded to exist but hadn't come
to existence.
So we're here to release thekingdom of God on earth.
We're here to bring solutionsto problems on the earth and
(13:19):
wherever it is that God's calledus, and if we have health
problems, god has the answer,and it's knowing when to
surrender to him, which isalways to find out what his
solution is to the problem.
Sometimes I think I know whatthe solution is.
He'll tell me somethingcompletely different.
Like, as I mentioned I wasmentioning earlier, one of the
(13:42):
solutions I had was I sufferedfrom chronic migraines.
I'd have three attacks a dayand I'd be curled up for yeah,
migraines are no joke sometimes.
For three days I'd be curled uplike in a ball and I'd have
attack after attack and thenearly on, the Lord said, oh, you
need more magnesium.
I'm like, oh, so I got moremagnesium and I felt a lot
(14:03):
better.
And then, years later, I didn'tfeel that great again and he
said I said, lord, I feel like Iwant to die.
Just take me home.
I don't know what to do withmyself.
I said, lord, just heal me.
He said you need more magnesium.
I said really Because at thetime I was using a topical
version of magnesium, magnesium.
Typically at that time years ago, you would absorb maybe at best
(14:28):
10% of what you were taking.
So I was using a topicalversion which was much more
absorbable.
But what I didn't know at thetime, there was a limit to how
much I could take of thattopical because I found out
later on it that actually hadmercury in it.
So I was getting sick when Iincreased the amount.
So the fact that the Lord saidI needed more magnesium, I was
(14:49):
like, no, it looked like it waslimited, I was just using the
wrong form.
So I found out more, I got abetter form of magnesium and I
just needed more magnesium and Ithought the problem was
something else.
Again, lord, I thought the Lordneeded to touch me.
But I needed the magnesium formy migraines, but I needed it
for cellular health.
I needed it to maintain andlose weight, I needed it for
energy, I needed it for mymuscles to relax, I needed it
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for better bowel movements, Ineeded it better for my
cognitive health, all thosethings the Lord knew.
And I wanted to do somethingelse.
Like so many times, we want toshortcut what God does because
we think we know what the answeris and he's saying you know, I
want to get to the root of it.
That's good.
Trisha Walker (15:28):
That's really good.
Yeah, yeah, I remember.
You said, sam, that you were atone point in and out of the
hospital.
Sam Bart-Williams (15:33):
I don't know you said it was your 20s maybe
were at one point in and out ofthe hospital in your I don't
know you said it was your 20smaybe All through my life, you
know, especially growing up inAfrica sometimes.
But I was in and out of thehospital all the time.
Headaches, stomach aches,malaria, I mean I had all sorts
of health issues.
I was a very sickly kid and theonly thing that was, you know,
genetically I wasn't.
(15:53):
I don't think I had all theadvantages.
The only advantage I think Ihad was just athletically.
But I was sick most of the timeand so I didn't realize that I
could be anything else.
It was only until I wassuffering from things that I
knew that I said, okay, I've gotto do something else.
So when you know again I'dmentioned, I was bone on bone in
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my knee and the Lord showed mewhat to eat over three years and
I grew new cartilage in my knee.
He showed me what to do toeliminate my migraines.
I had chronic allergies foryears, debilitating.
I didn't even know what anallergy was until I came to the
US.
We don't have allergies.
I mean, I didn't know what itwas, so I knew it was something
related to food.
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It was the food, so I changedmy diet, so everything I had
before, and worse, I had newproblems that I didn't have
before.
So, one by one, the Lord showedme what to do and I couldn't
imagine where I am right nowbased on my history.
That's the thing I want peopleto know.
Your history is no indicationof what your potential is.
Thomas Walker (16:55):
That's good.
Yeah, I was just thinking aboutthat, sam, because there may be
someone listening and greattestimonies of how you've been
healed and also many people thatyou've worked with that have
also gotten their healing also,and some people might be
listening saying, yeah, but youdon't know my situation right,
and the doubt might be therestill, which is but does God
(17:17):
really want to do it for me?
Sam Bart-Williams (17:19):
Well, the answer is yes.
God definitely wants to do it.
He definitely is no respecterof persons, and I've seen it
over and over again.
So what brought me into this?
What dragged me quote unquotefrom technology into the health
space?
Because I kind of went a littlebit kicking and screaming
because it was not familiar tome, but I'd been learning about
this because of my own personaljourney, and when people
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literally who hadn't seen me in10, 15 years saw me, they were
like what on earth happened toyou?
And whatever it is, I want yourhelp.
They literally saw the physicaltransformation, whether it was
weight loss, whether it was myskin, you know whatever it was,
they saw something, a glow.
I literally had somebody at aTarget a couple months ago.
Stop me and say excuse me, sir,what are you doing for your
(18:05):
skin?
So you know, I'm 57 years old,but despite that, apparently
whatever I was doing was havingan impact and so, whatever it
was, it was a physicalmanifestation of what God's
doing in me and they stopped meand they wanted my help.
And so, no matter who you are,no matter what your history is,
god wants to do this for you andthere is there is no problem
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that God can't solve.
It's just a matter ofsubmitting and surrendering to
him and he will reveal his plan,how he wants to do it, who he
wants to do it, through whatwisdom he wants to do it, who he
wants to do it, through whatwisdom he wants to give you
insights that you haven't hadbefore.
But I haven't seen a singleperson that's come to me for
help with anything that Godhasn't revealed the solution for
.
I mean, I am talking aboutthings that conventional
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medicine says are impossible.
I remember somebody who haddiverticulitis I mean diseases
that said, basically, you'regoing to have this for the rest
of your life.
They told me I was going tohave migraines for the rest of
my life.
They told me lots of thingsthat I was going to have the
rest of my life and that's nottrue, I mean.
So, even on the topic ofhormones, I can think of
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somebody who they came to me.
This was a, let's call him Joe.
Joe came to me and he washaving erectile dysfunction.
Now, when I heard erectiledysfunction, immediately I think
cardiovascular risk, and so youknow, I talked to him, looked
at his paperwork, looked at hislook at some of his labs and it
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was like, okay, this is actuallypretty serious, going through
and giving him what he needed.
Several things happened.
First of all, he lost about 20to 25 pounds just as a byproduct
of getting better cellularhealth he didn't ask for that,
but that's just a byproduct.
And then we got to the root ofthe ED problem and the ED
problem was gone in a few months.
(19:52):
And now we're continuing towork on the root cause, the
cause, the ED.
But this has changed.
Now his relationship with hiswife, mm-hmm, completely.
Now they can be intimacy, therecan be intimacy on a level that
they didn't have in a long time, and so he was a he.
So he saw a symptom of theproblem, but there was a much
deeper problem.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
(20:13):
And then I can think of anotherexample, of another another
person who was having problemswith intimacy with their husband
, and this is this woman had,you know, couldn't have
intercourse, which was painful.
She had vaginal dryness.
So when we looked into that andwe looked into her hormones, we
found out that she was low inestrogen and that was affecting
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her in several areas of her body.
So it's like, okay.
So as we started addressingwhat the root closer to the root
cause.
The closer you get to the rootcause, the more symptoms you
relieve and you reverse,basically, yeah, so so that's,
we're trying to go deeper anddeeper until we get to the very
end, and and so we did somenatural things so that she would
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help increase her estrogen andin a matter of months now she's
having painless intercourse withher husband and they, which she
hasn't have been able to havein years.
Okay, yeah, same time she washaving problems with sleep.
I've had people who, you know,if you're not sleeping well, you
don't have much energy to doanything, your mood isn't that
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great.
Um, you, you, you're notnecessarily great to be around
in general, yeah, and so one ofthe things I focus on early on,
even if they didn't come to me,I assess your sleep, because if
you can't sleep, you can'trestore, you can't restock
hormones in your transmitters.
So I look at your sleep and sothis particular person had some
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you're having problems withtheir sleep and therefore a
whole bunch of other things, andthen you start looking at okay,
okay, well, what are youinsufficient in?
What's missing?
What?
What are your other symptoms?
All those, what tests do youlikely need to confirm
suspicions?
Right, because usually acollection.
A collection of symptoms is apattern, it's it's pointing
somewhere, it's a story.
You've got to find out what isthe story here.
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And you find out the story.
You want confirmation, which iswhere the testing comes in.
Okay, this is what I suspect.
Um, then you start recommendingtesting in line with that and
you start eliminating theguesswork.
It's like, okay, this is it.
So now you can truly addressthe problem by knowing, by
getting that confirmation fromall the symptom and the testing
the right testing, by the way,makes a difference.
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So so, yeah, that.
So these are just like a coupleof cases where how this can
change your intimacy and yourmood.
Again, you're talking aboutsoul, you're talking about body,
feeling pain.
You, you don't want to have sex, you're not in the mood, you
don't feel like being aroundpeople or having sex.
So, yeah, that's.
That's basically what I dealwith like all the time.
Trisha Walker (22:44):
Yeah absolutely yeah.
So, norma, I'm interested.
When Sam was in anotherhospital I mean you were when
this was going on, you weremarried Right and to see the
transformation in him like howdid that impact you?
How did that impact yourchildren?
It's interesting to see yourside of the story of his
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transformation.
Norma Bart-Williams (23:07):
It was great because I was like, okay,
what took you so long?
Because he has this ability tojust be able to read things and
find the solution and alsopraying to God, and I've seen
him pray to God for a solution.
He's asked and God sayswhatever you ask in his name, he
gives it to you.
And that was amazing for me.
That was truly amazing, and Ilove when he helps people.
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It just makes me happy he'shelped me.
And what I wanted to say also,too, is like we have this term
in case management advocacy.
You've heard of it.
You have to be an advocate foryourself because God is
advocating for you, so he wantsyou to join in that application.
Make sure, if you're going togo through your doctor, make
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sure they hear you, because yourlife is on the line.
You are here for a purpose andGod wants you here for a purpose
.
As long as you can until hetakes you home.
Don't let nothing else take youhome other than God.
Advocate.
Never stop questioning whyNormal?
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I don't want to be normal.
I remember the last time I wentin for my exam and I told the
gentleman he kept saying oh,you're normal.
I said I don't want to benormal and Sam gave me a list of
tests and I said can you dothese?
And he just looked at him andsaid where'd you get these?
I said can you do these?
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He said, okay, I'm going to dothem.
And he did them.
Don't stop.
I told him I don't want to benormal, I want to know what's
going on.
So you have to advocate.
So it pleases me.
He's given me strength to dothat.
You know, when I go visit myregular doctor, I go for
checkups, you know.
Just, you have you have theinsurance, use it.
Yeah, that's what it's there for, and then you know, then you
can take the other side.
You want to go a natural way.
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I look for him.
He tells me okay, you do this,you do that, and it's great it's
wonderful, yeah and I like itwhen he helps people and he has
a.
He God has given him a gift andit's there to be used.
Trisha Walker (25:05):
Yeah, absolutely yeah, yeah, that's so good.
Yeah, I mean getting back tojust our spirit health, our body
health, our soul health.
I mean I'm actually justthinking about like even another
personal example from my lifeis I mean we believe in
supernatural healing.
God can heal people.
I mean we've seen people healpeople, just like this.
I've seen a shoulder.
(25:26):
I pray for someone's shoulderand their shoulder got instantly
healed right.
But it doesn't always happenthat way and I had a situation
where I've herniated my backmultiple times.
The first time, you know, Iwent to the church we were at in
Atlanta and I went up to thefront to get prayer.
I heard a crack.
I walked out of there pain-free.
I got instantly healed and thenchiropractor could see on the
(25:47):
x-rays where I had a hairlinefracture that had healed.
And then a few years later, Ire-herniated my back and was
praying about it and the Lordstarted talking to me about
certain things and I'm like,okay, and I was pushing myself,
I was pushing my body very hard.
We were actually living inNigeria at the time and you know
, I was we I was leading aninner healing ministry and I was
(26:09):
helping another nonprofit runthese massive, you know,
conferences and I was justpushing myself and pushing
myself and he says you need totake care of your body, you need
to take care of your body.
But I wasn't listening.
I wasn't listening.
I mean I was getting.
I was getting filled, you know,spiritually I was getting
filled.
You know, spiritually I wasgetting filled.
You know, renewing my mind inthe word.
I was doing these things for mysoul, but I was neglecting my
(26:33):
body.
And so we moved back to theStates.
I ended up getting surgery andthen I'm like, okay, I'm good,
so I'm back on.
You know, I'm back on thetreadmill, back working hard
again, right.
And then we moved to California.
Within a month I reherniated myback and the Lord's like I told
(26:56):
you you needed to carry yourbody.
And I just remember thatprocess, like, okay, god, I
don't want surgery again and Ineed you to lead me.
Like what do you want me to do?
And I just remember howdebilitating it felt.
Like just trying to go to thegrocery store, like I can't cook
for my family, I can't lift upa gallon of milk, because if I
do, I'm like about to drop itbecause I'm in so much pain.
Right, and feeling like afailure as a wife like affects
(27:18):
your intimacy, affectseverything, right, and the Lord
started showing me areas like Ineeded to focus on inflammation,
I needed to get my inflammationdown.
And he just started showing mestep by step of things to do and
I would say, you know,strengthen my core.
I started going to the gym andI started doing classes.
I started doing TRX classesthat actually helped strengthen
(27:38):
my core and I would say, withinsix months, no pain whatsoever,
completely pain free.
I mean it's but it's, but it'sonly by the Lord, right.
Sam Bart-Williams (27:47):
Absolutely.
I usually err on the side ofdoing all the physical things.
I remember, even recently, wewere playing pickleball and
Norma got injured and you know,I did all the physical I gave,
all the things I helped her getrid of.
By the way, you can get rid ofscar tissue by the way, anywhere
in the body.
So I helped her get rid of scartissue by the way, anywhere in
(28:08):
the body.
So I helped her get rid of scartissue and all of that.
But she was still in pain and Isaid, lord, why isn't she
feeling better?
He said well, when are yougoing to pray for her?
I said, oh, okay.
So I prayed for her.
She was healed instantly.
I said okay, you can always tryto.
Usually you, you need to ask mefor everything.
It doesn't you know, when it'sphysical, when it's spiritual,
whichever way I want to do, itis the way I want to do it.
(28:29):
I said, okay, so that's whatI'll do.
And you know, just even speakingback to what Norm was saying
about advocacy, you want to beyour own advocate.
A lot of times I feel like thepatient advocate.
It's like I'm advocating foryou.
So, whatever the debt is what Iwould ask him Like this is what
(28:52):
I would ask him about and sayand you need to advocate for his
health.
But I feel like I advocate forpeople because I know what it's
like to be in pain, to sufferneedlessly, where you've been
told things that aren't true.
They aren't the truth and theyaren't true and there's a
solution for it.
So I think that was a big thingthat Norma said that.
You know.
I just wanted to bring up thatadvocacy part, that you need
somebody advocating for you andyou need to advocate for
yourself and you need to knowthat things there are.
(29:14):
There's a realm out there ofsolutions that most people
aren't aware of.
When I started doing this likemaybe close to I want to say
maybe 28, 30, close to 30 yearsago I was like the health nut.
People like who?
What are you talking about?
Are you crazy?
Because there was no, there wasno known name for what I was
(29:35):
doing.
The Lord was showing me thesethings piece by piece.
He started showing me okay, youneed to understand the root
cause.
I said, okay, you need to.
At the time, I didn't know howto really read labs.
I said, okay, you need to.
At the time, I didn't know howto really read labs.
So at the time he'd show me howyou could take an intersection
of symptoms to find out what wasgoing on Like, and then, yeah,
just basically all these things.
And then I that's when Istarted learning about testing.
(29:56):
Later, later, later on, and eventhe way you look at the test
makes a difference because, likenormal was saying, sometimes
you go to the doctor and he say,well, you're normal, you're
within the reference range, andthat reference range is a wide
reference range.
It's wide, right.
It just says, well, 98% of thepopulation is within this.
So you're normal, you're withinthat.
(30:17):
Normal does not mean optimal,it doesn't mean you're thriving
and it doesn't mean you're notsuffering.
So I look at those labs andlooking at a much narrow range,
the optimal range, and if you'reoutside that optimal range,
that's when you need to considerthat there can be problems,
nutritional insufficiencies andother problems going on.
So, yeah, so that's kind oflike how things got established.
Trisha Walker (30:41):
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Marriage.
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On the next episode of Seeds for your
Marriage, I learned to receivethe love of God, and receiving
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Trisha Walker (01:01):
Seeds for your marriage.
Thomas Walker (01:03):
Oh, hello.
This is Trisha and Thomas, andwelcome to the Seeds for your
Marriage podcast.
Trisha Walker (01:07):
Absolutely yeah.
So we just want to welcome Samand Norma Bart-Williams.
And why don't you guys justshare a little bit about who you
are and what you do, and we'llgo into what we're going to
cover on this podcast today.
Sam Bart-Williams (01:22):
Go into what we're going to cover on this
podcast today.
So a little bit about me.
Grew up in England and Africa,migrated over here when I was 20
years old, interested in a lotof different things sports, but
really everything I do now iscentered around the Lord,
(01:44):
whether it's the relationshipwith my kids, with Norma, my
work, everything I do I involvethe Lord.
There's nothing I try to leavehim out of, and so he directs my
life.
Now we're playing pickleballtogether now, finally, it only
took us over 30 years to findout what an activity we do
together.
Thomas Walker (01:59):
Yeah, yeah.
We're finally sharing you don'thave to move much in pickleball
.
No, exactly, it's beautiful.
Sam Bart-Williams (02:04):
It's amazing, but the way I played you
wouldn't know it.
Thomas Walker (02:09):
I'm a little aggressive, are you pretty
intense, okay.
Norma Bart-Williams (02:11):
Very intense.
Trisha Walker (02:15):
That's awesome, and Norma, so you guys have been
married 30 years.
Norma Bart-Williams (02:18):
Migrated or immigrated from another country
, which was the British VirginIslands, and at the age of 14.
So I've been here ever sinceand it's different, it's
something new.
And, like he said, yes, when wemet, it was special.
He was the one and we found theLord together, which was really
nice, even though we both knewthe Lord.
We got closer to the Lordtogether, which was really nice,
(02:40):
even though we both knew theLord.
We got closer to the Lordtogether, which was really nice.
And like he says everything wedo.
Well, everything we do, we seekthe Lord.
From the time I get up, I getin my car, that's my prayer room
, Prayer room on the go and weseek the Lord.
Thomas Walker (03:00):
That's amazing.
Well, we're so excited to spendthis time with you both today,
first and foremost because ofyour dedication to a life that
just honors and glorifies Jesusand brings kingdom to earth, but
also the impact that you havein many, many lives through both
(03:21):
of your vocations many livesthrough both of your vocations
and, obviously, that you have amarriage, and this is a marriage
podcast, and you've been at itfor 31 years.
I think Is that right?
So that's amazing.
So we just have so many placesthat I know this conversation is
going to go.
Why don't we just take a minute, though?
And, sam and Norm, if you wouldjust talk a bit about your
professions and what you do dayto day?
Sam Bart-Williams (03:44):
Sure.
So I leveraged my background inengineering and technology to
help people get to the rootcause of their health issues and
help them reverse it.
I'm not a medical doctor, so Idon't prescribe medications, but
I help people understand what'sgoing on in their bodies and
(04:04):
then I coach them through aprocess with recommendations of
how to address those issues,giving them symptom relief
short-term and then also givingthem long-term solutions that
they can maintain throughout therest of their lives.
Norma Bart-Williams (04:16):
For me.
I work for a non-profit agency.
I've worked for them for 22years, just celebrated 22.
And we work with socialservices in Alameda County and
we work with families, familieswho are in need of child care
services.
But we do more than that.
We provide resources thatstrengthen the family and we are
(04:40):
now starting to do mentalhealth, which I think is very
important based on theconditions of society today.
Yeah, and we just want to makesure that we are doing what I
would think that God has put usthere to do.
I feel, because when I first waslooking for this job, I asked
God where does he see me?
And, you know, and he led methere.
(05:03):
In fact, I ended up a day early.
There I was, I, you know, andit was like I said, yes, this is
good, and so it's been.
It's been quite a journey andquite an experience, and I'm
really glad that I found thatposition and I thank God every
day that I meet the people thatI do, and there is a such a need
(05:23):
, such a need that thatsometimes it's just overwhelming
.
Trisha Walker (05:29):
It's just overwhelming sometimes.
Well, we're just really excitedto have you both here.
I know the big topic that weare covering today is on just
our body health, our soul health, our spirit of health, health
and how all of those threethings combine and interrelate
and really can affect even ourrelationships, our families and
(05:54):
yeah.
Thomas Walker (05:54):
So let's just dive right in let's dive so root
cause versus symptoms andwithout going too deep into the
state of medicine in thiscountry, just a high level
perspective and what you see andmaybe just a starting point of
like what you do on a day-to-daybasis and you know how you're
(06:15):
helping people get from thatshort-term to the long-term
sustainable solutions, and Idon't know if there's a question
in there.
But it's a tee up for you tojust start talking, Sam.
Sam Bart-Williams (06:29):
As long as I don't have a problem talking.
But when it comes to the stateof things, as you said before,
typically they address thesymptoms, they address the fruit
and not the root.
If you want to change the fruit, you've got to change the root,
and in order to change the root, you've got to know what the
root causes are.
And so it's about getting anunderstanding of how our body
(06:51):
works.
The Lord showed me that ourbody is a system of
interconnected systems, andsince I used to build systems
software systems and hardwarenetwork systems that made sense
to me, because when I used totroubleshoot instead of covering
up, I mean, if you solve theroot issue, you solve many
issues at the same time.
That's the key there, insteadof, in fact, one time this Lord
(07:13):
gave me this image ofwhack-a-mole.
That's basically what you'redoing when you're hitting and
something else is coming up, andso just trying to get an
understanding of how the body,the principles of the body, work
, that things are interconnected.
In conventional medicine, forexample, things are typically
siloed, so you have thecardiologist, you have the
endocrinologist, and many timesone system is affecting the
(07:35):
other, and so you really needsomebody with an overall
understanding of how thesedifferent systems interconnect
and affect each other, so thatyou can see what's possibly the
underlying cause to what'scausing the symptoms in somebody
.
So initially there's severalparts of what I do.
One is testing.
We like to say test, don'tguess.
So I usually recommend testing.
(07:57):
And then I definitely recommendthat people work with their
physicians, their primary carephysicians.
But you want to be the personthat's in charge of managing
your own health.
It's kind of like your finances.
You want to be.
You may have a financialadvisor, but you want to know
how finances work.
So just as much part of what Ido is education.
(08:19):
I teach people to learn tounderstand how their body works,
and not only their body, buthow that interrelates with their
mind, how they're thinking.
And then you know, many timesspiritual as well.
Most of the people I tend tominister to in health actually
tend to be Christians, sometimesnot.
I've led a couple of them tothe Lord that weren't Christians
(08:40):
.
But this way you get to addressall three of those areas
Wherever the Lord is leading youto.
To get to address all three ofthose areas wherever the Lord is
leading you to, to get to theroot of the problem.
You can if you know all, therearen't any boundaries.
So, on a day-to-day basis,there's a lot of education,
discuss testing, we look at theevolving symptoms, how
(09:02):
progression's happening, and weadjust and we plan, along with
food, what, what foods arelikely best for them based on
what's going on, and thenpossible recommendations in
terms of supplementation as well, where we see there's a
insufficiency not necessarily adeficiency, but sometimes
there's insufficiencies thatconventional medicine misses
(09:24):
yeah, this is just reallyinteresting to me.
Trisha Walker (09:25):
I know I'm thinking about actually a
personal situation that I wasgoing through.
We actually it was bothaffecting us really was after my
youngest daughter was born andwe were living in Seattle and
you know, in Seattle you don'tget a lot of sun, so I was not
getting the vitamin D I needed.
Plus I was breastfeeding, PlusI had three other children in
(09:46):
the home and we were in a highstress situation with his
parents, bowling alley that wewere part owners of and I think
all of those things combined, umI.
Almost a year after she wasborn, I kind of lost it and I
realized um I.
I took a couple of weeks causethe business was actually across
the country.
We were living in Seattle andhis parents' business was in
(10:08):
Atlanta and they needed atemporary manager while we were
in the process of trying to finda new one and their age was
getting up there and theycouldn't really do everything
themselves.
So I went out there for a fewmonths and left my children in
Seattle and I can't believe Idid that, but I did and through
that process I was on thisjourney with the Lord of what is
(10:29):
going on with me, Like I amfeeling so depressed, I don't
know why, what is going on withme and he started showing me.
He started speaking to me aboutthe different areas, Like my
hormones were just all over theplace, right From nursing, from
not getting enough sun, from allof these different things from
stress, and he started showingme the different things that I
needed to do supplement wise, toreally help, I guess, reset my
(10:53):
body.
And it was a journey, but ithelped.
Thomas Walker (10:57):
Yeah, I think that something that you know,
sam.
We talked about the ability,like you gave the story when you
were a kid about the cartilagein your knee and didn't have
much or any, and the Lord spoketo you about that and then you
started doing the things he toldyou to do and now your knees
are fine, and so I just there'ssomething that I'm sensing in
(11:17):
the spirit, which is about notclaiming the things that are
spoken over us and really goingto God, like you just talked
about, and what does he sayabout the situation?
So maybe give some examples orjust your experience, in that
when people come to you and itmight start off with I have this
(11:38):
and I have that and I have this, and it's like, well, do you
want to keep it or do you wantto claim that Right?
Like there's diagnosis and thenthere's the reality.
There's like truth and and soforth.
Sam Bart-Williams (11:50):
You know, first thing I got to say is that
the Lord revealed to me thatthere is nothing, there's no
problem, there's not a solutionfor, and once you realize that
it's learning what the strategyis that he's going to give you.
I mean, there's never, ever,been a hopeless case that I've
come across.
A lot of people that come to mehave been desperate, and that's
usually when you're just sickand tired.
(12:11):
You're just too much pain.
Relationships aren't what youwant them to be, and then you
know, out of desperation, theyfind me somehow.
But there is no situation thatI haven't asked the Lord for a
solution, even for myself or forsomebody else.
He hasn't revealed things to meabout a person individually,
what they need, and that's whatthe Lord says.
(12:33):
First and foremost, people needto have hope.
Where they think there's beenhopelessness, that there's hope
for every single situation.
I haven't come across any kindof disorder or disease that the
Lord hasn't given a solution for.
I mean, it's just amazing, butit's true, and this, actually, I
had to learn this in technology, because the Lord did this for
(12:54):
me in technology first.
He would give me inventions.
He'd give me things that wouldconfound the people who invented
the technology sometimes, andsometimes he'd give me
inventions for things thatneeded to exist but hadn't come
to existence.
So we're here to release thekingdom of God on earth.
We're here to bring solutionsto problems on the earth and
(13:19):
wherever it is that God's calledus, and if we have health
problems, god has the answer,and it's knowing when to
surrender to him, which isalways to find out what his
solution is to the problem.
Sometimes I think I know whatthe solution is.
He'll tell me somethingcompletely different.
Like, as I mentioned I wasmentioning earlier, one of the
(13:42):
solutions I had was I sufferedfrom chronic migraines.
I'd have three attacks a dayand I'd be curled up for yeah,
migraines are no joke sometimes.
For three days I'd be curled uplike in a ball and I'd have
attack after attack and thenearly on, the Lord said, oh, you
need more magnesium.
I'm like, oh, so I got moremagnesium and I felt a lot
(14:03):
better.
And then, years later, I didn'tfeel that great again and he
said I said, lord, I feel like Iwant to die.
Just take me home.
I don't know what to do withmyself.
I said, lord, just heal me.
He said you need more magnesium.
I said really Because at thetime I was using a topical
version of magnesium, magnesium.
Typically at that time years ago, you would absorb maybe at best
(14:28):
10% of what you were taking.
So I was using a topicalversion which was much more
absorbable.
But what I didn't know at thetime, there was a limit to how
much I could take of thattopical because I found out
later on it that actually hadmercury in it.
So I was getting sick when Iincreased the amount.
So the fact that the Lord saidI needed more magnesium, I was
(14:49):
like, no, it looked like it waslimited, I was just using the
wrong form.
So I found out more, I got abetter form of magnesium and I
just needed more magnesium and Ithought the problem was
something else.
Again, lord, I thought the Lordneeded to touch me.
But I needed the magnesium formy migraines, but I needed it
for cellular health.
I needed it to maintain andlose weight, I needed it for
energy, I needed it for mymuscles to relax, I needed it
(15:11):
for better bowel movements, Ineeded it better for my
cognitive health, all thosethings the Lord knew.
And I wanted to do somethingelse.
Like so many times, we want toshortcut what God does because
we think we know what the answeris and he's saying you know, I
want to get to the root of it.
That's good.
Trisha Walker (15:28):
That's really good.
Yeah, yeah, I remember.
You said, sam, that you were atone point in and out of the
hospital.
Sam Bart-Williams (15:33):
I don't know you said it was your 20s maybe
were at one point in and out ofthe hospital in your I don't
know you said it was your 20smaybe All through my life, you
know, especially growing up inAfrica sometimes.
But I was in and out of thehospital all the time.
Headaches, stomach aches,malaria, I mean I had all sorts
of health issues.
I was a very sickly kid and theonly thing that was, you know,
genetically I wasn't.
(15:53):
I don't think I had all theadvantages.
The only advantage I think Ihad was just athletically.
But I was sick most of the timeand so I didn't realize that I
could be anything else.
It was only until I wassuffering from things that I
knew that I said, okay, I've gotto do something else.
So when you know again I'dmentioned, I was bone on bone in
(16:14):
my knee and the Lord showed mewhat to eat over three years and
I grew new cartilage in my knee.
He showed me what to do toeliminate my migraines.
I had chronic allergies foryears, debilitating.
I didn't even know what anallergy was until I came to the
US.
We don't have allergies.
I mean, I didn't know what itwas, so I knew it was something
related to food.
(16:34):
It was the food, so I changedmy diet, so everything I had
before, and worse, I had newproblems that I didn't have
before.
So, one by one, the Lord showedme what to do and I couldn't
imagine where I am right nowbased on my history.
That's the thing I want peopleto know.
Your history is no indicationof what your potential is.
Thomas Walker (16:55):
That's good.
Yeah, I was just thinking aboutthat, sam, because there may be
someone listening and greattestimonies of how you've been
healed and also many people thatyou've worked with that have
also gotten their healing also,and some people might be
listening saying, yeah, but youdon't know my situation right,
and the doubt might be therestill, which is but does God
(17:17):
really want to do it for me?
Sam Bart-Williams (17:19):
Well, the answer is yes.
God definitely wants to do it.
He definitely is no respecterof persons, and I've seen it
over and over again.
So what brought me into this?
What dragged me quote unquotefrom technology into the health
space?
Because I kind of went a littlebit kicking and screaming
because it was not familiar tome, but I'd been learning about
this because of my own personaljourney, and when people
(17:42):
literally who hadn't seen me in10, 15 years saw me, they were
like what on earth happened toyou?
And whatever it is, I want yourhelp.
They literally saw the physicaltransformation, whether it was
weight loss, whether it was myskin, you know whatever it was,
they saw something, a glow.
I literally had somebody at aTarget a couple months ago.
Stop me and say excuse me, sir,what are you doing for your
(18:05):
skin?
So you know, I'm 57 years old,but despite that, apparently
whatever I was doing was havingan impact and so, whatever it
was, it was a physicalmanifestation of what God's
doing in me and they stopped meand they wanted my help.
And so, no matter who you are,no matter what your history is,
god wants to do this for you andthere is there is no problem
(18:26):
that God can't solve.
It's just a matter ofsubmitting and surrendering to
him and he will reveal his plan,how he wants to do it, who he
wants to do it, through whatwisdom he wants to do it, who he
wants to do it, through whatwisdom he wants to give you
insights that you haven't hadbefore.
But I haven't seen a singleperson that's come to me for
help with anything that Godhasn't revealed the solution for
.
I mean, I am talking aboutthings that conventional
(18:48):
medicine says are impossible.
I remember somebody who haddiverticulitis I mean diseases
that said, basically, you'regoing to have this for the rest
of your life.
They told me I was going tohave migraines for the rest of
my life.
They told me lots of thingsthat I was going to have the
rest of my life and that's nottrue, I mean.
So, even on the topic ofhormones, I can think of
(19:10):
somebody who they came to me.
This was a, let's call him Joe.
Joe came to me and he washaving erectile dysfunction.
Now, when I heard erectiledysfunction, immediately I think
cardiovascular risk, and so youknow, I talked to him, looked
at his paperwork, looked at hislook at some of his labs and it
(19:31):
was like, okay, this is actuallypretty serious, going through
and giving him what he needed.
Several things happened.
First of all, he lost about 20to 25 pounds just as a byproduct
of getting better cellularhealth he didn't ask for that,
but that's just a byproduct.
And then we got to the root ofthe ED problem and the ED
problem was gone in a few months.
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And now we're continuing towork on the root cause, the
cause, the ED.
But this has changed.
Now his relationship with hiswife, mm-hmm, completely.
Now they can be intimacy, therecan be intimacy on a level that
they didn't have in a long time, and so he was a he.
So he saw a symptom of theproblem, but there was a much
deeper problem.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
(20:13):
And then I can think of anotherexample, of another another
person who was having problemswith intimacy with their husband
, and this is this woman had,you know, couldn't have
intercourse, which was painful.
She had vaginal dryness.
So when we looked into that andwe looked into her hormones, we
found out that she was low inestrogen and that was affecting
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her in several areas of her body.
So it's like, okay.
So as we started addressingwhat the root closer to the root
cause.
The closer you get to the rootcause, the more symptoms you
relieve and you reverse,basically, yeah, so so that's,
we're trying to go deeper anddeeper until we get to the very
end, and and so we did somenatural things so that she would
(21:01):
help increase her estrogen andin a matter of months now she's
having painless intercourse withher husband and they, which she
hasn't have been able to havein years.
Okay, yeah, same time she washaving problems with sleep.
I've had people who, you know,if you're not sleeping well, you
don't have much energy to doanything, your mood isn't that
(21:21):
great.
Um, you, you, you're notnecessarily great to be around
in general, yeah, and so one ofthe things I focus on early on,
even if they didn't come to me,I assess your sleep, because if
you can't sleep, you can'trestore, you can't restock
hormones in your transmitters.
So I look at your sleep and sothis particular person had some
(21:42):
you're having problems withtheir sleep and therefore a
whole bunch of other things, andthen you start looking at okay,
okay, well, what are youinsufficient in?
What's missing?
What?
What are your other symptoms?
All those, what tests do youlikely need to confirm
suspicions?
Right, because usually acollection.
A collection of symptoms is apattern, it's it's pointing
somewhere, it's a story.
You've got to find out what isthe story here.
(22:03):
And you find out the story.
You want confirmation, which iswhere the testing comes in.
Okay, this is what I suspect.
Um, then you start recommendingtesting in line with that and
you start eliminating theguesswork.
It's like, okay, this is it.
So now you can truly addressthe problem by knowing, by
getting that confirmation fromall the symptom and the testing
the right testing, by the way,makes a difference.
(22:25):
So so, yeah, that.
So these are just like a coupleof cases where how this can
change your intimacy and yourmood.
Again, you're talking aboutsoul, you're talking about body,
feeling pain.
You, you don't want to have sex, you're not in the mood, you
don't feel like being aroundpeople or having sex.
So, yeah, that's.
That's basically what I dealwith like all the time.
Trisha Walker (22:44):
Yeah absolutely yeah.
So, norma, I'm interested.
When Sam was in anotherhospital I mean you were when
this was going on, you weremarried Right and to see the
transformation in him like howdid that impact you?
How did that impact yourchildren?
It's interesting to see yourside of the story of his
(23:04):
transformation.
Norma Bart-Williams (23:07):
It was great because I was like, okay,
what took you so long?
Because he has this ability tojust be able to read things and
find the solution and alsopraying to God, and I've seen
him pray to God for a solution.
He's asked and God sayswhatever you ask in his name, he
gives it to you.
And that was amazing for me.
That was truly amazing, and Ilove when he helps people.
(23:29):
It just makes me happy he'shelped me.
And what I wanted to say also,too, is like we have this term
in case management advocacy.
You've heard of it.
You have to be an advocate foryourself because God is
advocating for you, so he wantsyou to join in that application.
Make sure, if you're going togo through your doctor, make
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sure they hear you, because yourlife is on the line.
You are here for a purpose andGod wants you here for a purpose
.
As long as you can until hetakes you home.
Don't let nothing else take youhome other than God.
Advocate.
Never stop questioning whyNormal?
(24:11):
I don't want to be normal.
I remember the last time I wentin for my exam and I told the
gentleman he kept saying oh,you're normal.
I said I don't want to benormal and Sam gave me a list of
tests and I said can you dothese?
And he just looked at him andsaid where'd you get these?
I said can you do these?
(24:32):
He said, okay, I'm going to dothem.
And he did them.
Don't stop.
I told him I don't want to benormal, I want to know what's
going on.
So you have to advocate.
So it pleases me.
He's given me strength to dothat.
You know, when I go visit myregular doctor, I go for
checkups, you know.
Just, you have you have theinsurance, use it.
Yeah, that's what it's there for, and then you know, then you
can take the other side.
You want to go a natural way.
(24:53):
I look for him.
He tells me okay, you do this,you do that, and it's great it's
wonderful, yeah and I like itwhen he helps people and he has
a.
He God has given him a gift andit's there to be used.
Trisha Walker (25:05):
Yeah, absolutely yeah, yeah, that's so good.
Yeah, I mean getting back tojust our spirit health, our body
health, our soul health.
I mean I'm actually justthinking about like even another
personal example from my lifeis I mean we believe in
supernatural healing.
God can heal people.
I mean we've seen people healpeople, just like this.
I've seen a shoulder.
(25:26):
I pray for someone's shoulderand their shoulder got instantly
healed right.
But it doesn't always happenthat way and I had a situation
where I've herniated my backmultiple times.
The first time, you know, Iwent to the church we were at in
Atlanta and I went up to thefront to get prayer.
I heard a crack.
I walked out of there pain-free.
I got instantly healed and thenchiropractor could see on the
(25:47):
x-rays where I had a hairlinefracture that had healed.
And then a few years later, Ire-herniated my back and was
praying about it and the Lordstarted talking to me about
certain things and I'm like,okay, and I was pushing myself,
I was pushing my body very hard.
We were actually living inNigeria at the time and you know
, I was we I was leading aninner healing ministry and I was
(26:09):
helping another nonprofit runthese massive, you know,
conferences and I was justpushing myself and pushing
myself and he says you need totake care of your body, you need
to take care of your body.
But I wasn't listening.
I wasn't listening.
I mean I was getting.
I was getting filled, you know,spiritually I was getting
filled.
You know, spiritually I wasgetting filled.
You know, renewing my mind inthe word.
I was doing these things for mysoul, but I was neglecting my
(26:33):
body.
And so we moved back to theStates.
I ended up getting surgery andthen I'm like, okay, I'm good,
so I'm back on.
You know, I'm back on thetreadmill, back working hard
again, right.
And then we moved to California.
Within a month I reherniated myback and the Lord's like I told
(26:56):
you you needed to carry yourbody.
And I just remember thatprocess, like, okay, god, I
don't want surgery again and Ineed you to lead me.
Like what do you want me to do?
And I just remember howdebilitating it felt.
Like just trying to go to thegrocery store, like I can't cook
for my family, I can't lift upa gallon of milk, because if I
do, I'm like about to drop itbecause I'm in so much pain.
Right, and feeling like afailure as a wife like affects
(27:18):
your intimacy, affectseverything, right, and the Lord
started showing me areas like Ineeded to focus on inflammation,
I needed to get my inflammationdown.
And he just started showing mestep by step of things to do and
I would say, you know,strengthen my core.
I started going to the gym andI started doing classes.
I started doing TRX classesthat actually helped strengthen
(27:38):
my core and I would say, withinsix months, no pain whatsoever,
completely pain free.
I mean it's but it's, but it'sonly by the Lord, right.
Sam Bart-Williams (27:47):
Absolutely.
I usually err on the side ofdoing all the physical things.
I remember, even recently, wewere playing pickleball and
Norma got injured and you know,I did all the physical I gave,
all the things I helped her getrid of.
By the way, you can get rid ofscar tissue by the way, anywhere
in the body.
So I helped her get rid of scartissue by the way, anywhere in
(28:08):
the body.
So I helped her get rid of scartissue and all of that.
But she was still in pain and Isaid, lord, why isn't she
feeling better?
He said well, when are yougoing to pray for her?
I said, oh, okay.
So I prayed for her.
She was healed instantly.
I said okay, you can always tryto.
Usually you, you need to ask mefor everything.
It doesn't you know, when it'sphysical, when it's spiritual,
whichever way I want to do, itis the way I want to do it.
(28:29):
I said, okay, so that's whatI'll do.
And you know, just even speakingback to what Norm was saying
about advocacy, you want to beyour own advocate.
A lot of times I feel like thepatient advocate.
It's like I'm advocating foryou.
So, whatever the debt is what Iwould ask him Like this is what
(28:52):
I would ask him about and sayand you need to advocate for his
health.
But I feel like I advocate forpeople because I know what it's
like to be in pain, to sufferneedlessly, where you've been
told things that aren't true.
They aren't the truth and theyaren't true and there's a
solution for it.
So I think that was a big thingthat Norma said that.
You know.
I just wanted to bring up thatadvocacy part, that you need
somebody advocating for you andyou need to advocate for
yourself and you need to knowthat things there are.
(29:14):
There's a realm out there ofsolutions that most people
aren't aware of.
When I started doing this likemaybe close to I want to say
maybe 28, 30, close to 30 yearsago I was like the health nut.
People like who?
What are you talking about?
Are you crazy?
Because there was no, there wasno known name for what I was
(29:35):
doing.
The Lord was showing me thesethings piece by piece.
He started showing me okay, youneed to understand the root
cause.
I said, okay, you need to.
At the time, I didn't know howto really read labs.
I said, okay, you need to.
At the time, I didn't know howto really read labs.
So at the time he'd show me howyou could take an intersection
of symptoms to find out what wasgoing on Like, and then, yeah,
just basically all these things.
And then I that's when Istarted learning about testing.
(29:56):
Later, later, later on, and eventhe way you look at the test
makes a difference because, likenormal was saying, sometimes
you go to the doctor and he say,well, you're normal, you're
within the reference range, andthat reference range is a wide
reference range.
It's wide, right.
It just says, well, 98% of thepopulation is within this.
So you're normal, you're withinthat.
(30:17):
Normal does not mean optimal,it doesn't mean you're thriving
and it doesn't mean you're notsuffering.
So I look at those labs andlooking at a much narrow range,
the optimal range, and if you'reoutside that optimal range,
that's when you need to considerthat there can be problems,
nutritional insufficiencies andother problems going on.
So, yeah, so that's kind oflike how things got established.
Trisha Walker (30:41):
On the next episode of Seeds for your
Marriage.
Sam Bart-Williams (30:46):
On the next episode of Seeds for your
Marriage, I learned to receivethe love of God, and receiving
his love completely changed whoI was and now I had the capacity
to love her the way he wasloving me.
Trisha Walker (30:58):
Thank you for listening to Seeds for your
Marriage with hosts Trisha andThomas Walker.
We pray this episode has givenyou tips and tools on how to
thrive in your marriage.
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