May 1, 2024 • 43 mins
In this week’s enticing episode of “Seeing Red,” hosts Andi Turner and Garrett Fulce discuss the various Marxist protests happening across the country, focusing on the University of Texas at Austin (UT). The discussion also spans the anticipated unrest at upcoming political conventions and the legal actions around Title IX.
The episode opens with a discussion on UT’s handling of protests related to the Palestine-Israel conflict and the ramifications of student activism on college careers. Andi and Garrett explore the motives, consequences, and roles of institutions during these protests. The conversation shifts toward predictions of left-wing activism’s impact on the Democratic National Convention, all framed within the context of America’s current political climate. The show concludes with thoughts on upcoming political matchups.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the CN Red podcast with Andy Turner and
Garrett Fools checking up onTexas policies and politics,
with some federal issues thrownin like the assault weapons ban,
interest rate hikes.
You get it, but it's mostlyTexas, since we can't ignore the
big stuff either.
And now here are your hosts,andy Turner and Garrett Fools.
(00:23):
Hosts Andy Turner and GarrettFoles.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to this week's
edition of Seeing Red.
We are glad you have joined us.
Thank you so much.
If you are a new subscriber,whether it's a podcast or on the
YouTube, we're glad to have you.
And, for those that arereturning, really appreciate you
too.
And to my friend in the North,who sounds like something out of
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Gods Game of Thrones, but to myfriend in the North who reached
out to us this week and had allkinds of input, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
We love you and we appreciateyou and you know who you are.
So, garrett, some reallyinteresting things to talk about
(01:07):
this week.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let's start with the hook them horns.
Yeah, the hook them horns.
Yeah.
Ut had a lot going on this week.
Obviously they had the Title IXstuff starting to come down
last week.
There have been a lot of freePalestine movements the Popular
Union of Students, or whateverthey call themselves for general
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protesting at UT against Israel, of all things, basically
trying to get the university todivest, to boycott, divest and
then ultimately sanction Israel.
So the BDS movement has beenaround for a while.
There have been protests allover the country for I feel like
decades at this point for thatparticular movement.
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But this past week UT broughtout the DPS had a larger protest
than they had been having.
They'd had about 13 sinceOctober 7th when Hamas invaded
Israel and killed over athousand civilians and
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ultimately starting this recentwar between Hamas and Israel and
the law of protests againstIsrael, which is odd, but he's
existed forever.
And there have been theseprotests where all over the
country.
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So Harvard, columbia, yale, NYU,ucla a famous one at a small
state school in California, calPoly Humboldt.
It used to be Cal StateHumboldt, home of Bigfoot and
all sorts of crypto creatures.
Humboldt County is aninteresting place.
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I had a roommate who livedthere, so I know far more about
Humboldt County than I wouldlike to.
Who live there.
So I know far more aboutHumboldt County than I would
like to, but I remember that itwas known for its high incidence
of Bigfoot sightings.
So there've been thingshappening all over the all over
the country.
So at Columbia they've takenover a certain area and they've
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been.
The university has been tryingto negotiate with these, with
these protesters, these whichyou know.
There's trespassing, and thenthere's this squatting.
So these squatters, and thenyou have the Cal State Humboldt
or Cal Poly Humboldt.
Now they have been taking overbuildings and occupying the
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buildings and the footage out ofthose buildings is like they
basically just gra everything toall to no end and they're key
buildings.
So the universities had to shutdown.
They had to shut down theuniversity.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
basically there's no classes, no classes at least I,
you know, I I am all about thefirst amendment, all about the
right to free speech.
I got no issues with collegestudents expressing their
viewpoints, but when the whenthe college says, okay, you want
to organize a rally for orprotest against, here are the
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rules of the college, you needto follow them.
And what I'm reading now, andwhatever what I've been reading,
well, yeah, what I've beenreally reading really recently
is some of these students whowere arrested or suspended from
school are now crying becausethis is going to follow them
into the real world, becausethere is, you know, a record.
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And I'm like why did you notconsider that before you went to
this thing?
Or did it just seem like a goodidea at the time and you showed
up, literally, I saw a video ofnyu protest and the commentator
was saying so what brings youhere today?
And they were literally like Idon't know, we're from columbia
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and they said come support nyu,so that's why we're here.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, no, no and that and that's and that's common.
You talk to people.
Actually, at a protest, most ofthe people are there just
because it's a big eventhappening, right, and and their
friends are there, right.
People beget people.
If you build it, they will come, type thing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right.
So the it's a good reason toskip class.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah Right, I've always loved those protests Like
, oh, we're going to walk out ofclass.
I was like why, yeah, why, mostteachers aren't going to give
you a pass for that the ones whodo are going to pass you anyway
, so nor should they, right I?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
mean that's not.
That's not.
That is not a common excusedabsence.
You're sick, you've got adoctor's appointment, there's a
family emergency, those are thethings.
But to participate voluntarilyin a rally when you have a class
, if I were the teacher I'd belike absent.
And if some teachers count yourabsentees against your final
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grade, uh, my mother taughtcollege.
She did not, because if youweren't, her attitude was, if
you weren't in her class, youweren't gonna pass.
So she didn't.
She took the college requiredher to take attendance, but she
didn't count it against youbecause she didn't just teach
from the textbook, she taughtfrom real world experiences and
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lessons and if you weren't thereyou were out of luck, and I
think that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right.
So all these protests at theseother major institutions in
other states, the ones that havegotten the most attention have
been the ones where they've beenable to occupy space.
They've set up tents, They'vetaken over buildings etc.
They were trying to do that atUT.
So UT, they had a permit.
So at UT, basically, theprocess is a student
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organization has to sponsor anevent or certain types of things
and you can do it for protestsand it's pretty easy to do as
long as you follow theinstitutional rules.
Like you can't disturb theeducational environment of
others, you can't block egress,things like that.
If you're going to do a parade,you have to get a special
permit for that parade.
It has to be during certainhours, whatever, Same as in town
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, which is called a time placeand manner restriction, which is
to say the government canrestrict speech if it's
viewpoint neutral.
So you're not just willy-nillysaying you can't speak or you
can speak.
And if there is a reasonablewhat's called time place and
manner restriction, which is tosay you don't have to let a
bunch of protesters onto amilitary base and block training
if you're against the draft,you have to let a bunch of
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protesters onto a military baseand block training if you're
against the draft or you don'thave to let protests into a
classroom or something like that.
So the university has had a longtypes of protests because of
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what happened during Vietnam.
There was tons of Vietnamprotests at UT.
There's all sorts of fountainsand trees and kind of raised
beds that are put in place tomitigate how much where people
can gather to do it.
So now there's only a coupleplaces where it's still feasible
and one of those places is thesix-pack or south lawn.
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Um, that's what they're callingit.
They uh, no one's really calledit south lawn and everyone
called it the six-pack or thesouth mall, because you have the
west mall, you're the east malland you have the West Mall, the
East Mall and you have theSouth Mall, which are basically
these green areas that go offfrom the main tower at UT, and
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they had brought tents and wereplanning to occupy and they were
stating it.
So UT said, based off of yourpublic statements, that you plan
to violate rules, we areremoving your permit, schools,
we are removing your permit.
And they brought in additionallaw enforcement help Because UT
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has PD, has its own police force, it's relatively small.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Many colleges do now.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and many private universities do, but
UT's had one forever and it'srelatively small.
I mean, ut has a studentpopulation of like 50 or 60,000,
which is a large school, butyou know, an urban city of 50 or
60,000 people doesn't need thatmany cops, especially when all
the felony investigationsautomatically get kicked to the
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Austin PD.
So you know it's a relativelysmall force.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And they asked for help from Austin PD and they
asked for help from Texas DPSdand they asked for help from
texas dps.
Who did they ask apd I?
I knew he was there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Okay, I mean, if you look at the photos, you lived in
austin and if you went to utyou'd recognize all the
different things.
But yeah, apd was there.
They have a very iconic um bluelike on their shoulder thing,
so you can tell they're APDofficers, and then um DPS is an
iconic like brown uniform.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So so I think what I took away from all of these
schools is you know, if you'regoing to participate in this and
you're going to break the rules, you better be ready for the
consequences you can't have.
You can't go into these thingsand either break university
rules or break the law and getyourself arrested and and expect
(10:11):
to be like oh, but it was aprotest and I was just first
amendment.
No, no, you can't shout fire ina crowded movie theater.
There's a reason for that right.
And, as you pointed out, youeven need you know a permit to
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whether it's on college campusor in a town.
I used to live in a little townand we would have a Christmas
parade every year and they wouldshut down the major
thoroughfare in and out of townbetween, like I don't know, six
and nine o'clock or somethinglike that thoroughfare in and
out of town between, like Idon't know, six and nine o'clock
or something like that.
And we, you had to go, theorganizers had to go get a
permit so that everybody wasaware what was happening.
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And you know this something andeverything could be planned for
people would be safe, peoplecould get, get around the town,
go to get around campus.
You know this something.
The other thing but if you'regoing to break the rules, you
don't show up for class, you getarrested.
Austin or NYU police arrest you.
Don't be crying to me, like donot be crying to me because I
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got no use for it.
I support your right to feelhow you feel, but you need to
follow the rules for expressingthat.
But you need to follow therules for expressing that.
You don't get to run arounddowntown naked with a burning
flag protesting, like that's notthe rules, that's not how you
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, you can protest how you want to protest.
The speech itself isn't theissue.
What you're talking about thereisn't necessarily the speech
that's at issue.
It's the fact that you have alit object and you're running
around with something on fire.
But if that is your form ofprotest, like let's say your
flag says I just want to protest, but no.
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So the issue is you're rightthat they're breaking other laws
in their protest.
Sometimes you'll have laws,though, that are put in place to
limit speech they call what'shave a chilling effect.
So we have to look and see ifthe law itself is particularly
relevant, and there's always aform of civil disobedience,
which is to challenge unjustlaws.
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But you have to.
Part of civil disobedience andchallenging an unjust law, as
was learned from the civilrights movement, is the
acceptance of the consequencesfor violating the law.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Like Martin Luther King and the other civil rights
leaders, when they were inprison they knew they had
violated the law.
It was an unjust law and theywanted to fight it.
And that was the point, rightthey they were accepting the
consequences.
And that's part of highlightingthe injustice of a illiberal or
unjust law like that's andthat's part of it means you have
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to be willing to accept it.
You're not really but theboo-hoo.
The fact that it happened it'sto go fight the law itself.
So but ut really got in thereand was um, didn't let people
take, take over the, come on tothat piece of property.
So there are six main buildingsin the college of liberal arts.
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They go down south from thetower towards the capital
because there's a direct line ofsight from the capital um to
the ut tower.
So there Tower, there's astraight line and there's no
buildings between it.
And then on the UT campusthat's facilitated by the South
Mall and that area is a greenspace.
It's a great place to study.
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Finals or the last day of classis today, which is a Monday, and
I believe finals start onThursday.
So this was all done the weekbefore finals started.
As classes are wrapping up someclasses are doing would do like
their final class time, becauseit didn't need to be a
comprehensive like three-hourfinal, and so it's a really,
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when it comes to the educationalenvironment.
It was a very critical time forUT and for most colleges to do
it at this time, and those are alot of the government
departments there, the historydepartments, spanish like Econ
Coms no, coms is somewhere else.
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That area is like all theliberal arts majors, it's the
home of the College of LiberalArts, so there's a ton of stuff
happening right there, a lot ofstudents going for those types
of finals at this time and thosetypes of end-of-year things.
And UT just didn't let themcome in and they ended up having
to arrest about 50-some-oddpeople and they were able to
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stop them from occupying thearea.
And people have criticized UTbecause they pushed everyone out
, they removed all the tents andall those sorts of things and
then they let people come backin because they weren't upset
about people protesting in,because they weren't upset about
people protesting, they wereupset about people using
amplified amplified uh, volume,uh, so like loudspeakers and
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disrupting classes which wasdisrupts, disrupting the
environment and educationalenvironment, and they were upset
about people camping, trying tocamp and occupy quote-un the
area because they did not wantpeople to.
Once again, that is the heart ofcampus.
If you occupy that area, youshut down the College of Liberal
Arts, which is like 30 or someodd percent of the university,
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and they weren't going to letthat happen.
They just weren't going to doit and they had the backing of
the state government, unlikeother places where you don't
have it, because they definitelydon't have the backing of the
state government, unlike otherplaces where you don't have it,
because they definitely don'thave the backing of the city.
All of those protesters, Ithink every single one, had
their charges dropped, eventhough they're on video refusing
a dispersal order In Austin.
Yeah, because DA Garza, who isunder his own issue right now
(15:56):
with people seeking to removehim for not um, pursuing certain
charges certain exactly and nowhe and now he's not doing it
because there wasn't enoughinformation in the affidavit and
the affidavit said we're toldto disperse.
It was given a lawfuldisbursement order and refused.
Well, what else do you need?
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don'tknow.
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Plus, everything's on video.
So I don't, I don't, I don'treally understand that element.
I'm not a prosecutor.
Maybe someone could say, oh,those affidavits weren't good
enough, but they're not evenpursuing the criminal trespass
issues which were present.
So UT Austin still has yet tohave issues and a lot of people
are not at campus regularly.
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Starting today, this is thelast day of class.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Which?
Why this week?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
yeah, so ut they can occupy, start occupying stuff.
That just won't be nearly asmany people who are based in
austin, because people will begoing home for the summer.
People are graduating, newstudents aren't coming in yet,
all sorts of stuff and uh, Ithink ut handled it well.
There's some been a lot of beena lot of people talking about
oh, we shouldn't have brought itin, it was peaceful, whatever.
They just they did what in?
(17:05):
they shouldn't have brought thestate troopers in.
Uh, they're upset that theydidn't let the, the students
rage and I, and I gotta tell you, gotta tell you, they're
playing with fire.
I've been to yes, they are.
I've been to a ton of protestscovering them.
Like I'm not a journalist, Iwas a political operative.
Part of my job was to go tocertain types of events,
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depending on who was speaking atthem, to record their speeches
so that we could use it againstthem.
Um, whenever they said research.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was opposition research yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So I was at the DNC in 2016.
And what you won't realize isDemocrats will often go to the
Republican National Conventionand do what are called
bracketing events, which isbasically they're trying to get
into the news stories that aregoing to be covered to give
their spin on whatever'shappening.
So I was at the RNC in 2016covering Democrats who were
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speaking.
I did the stuff at DNC in 2016.
The RNC in 2016, coveringDemocrats who were speaking.
I did the stuff at DNC in 2016.
Rnc was relatively calm.
There was some stuff.
There was some Code Pink didsome things, peta did some
things, but it was normal justgetting into new stuff.
They weren't particularlyinteresting.
The DNC was nuts.
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Particularly interesting.
The dnc was was nuts.
And what happens at the dnchistorically is you have the far
left come out to try andprotest for whatever their cause
is to democrats and they allend up what happens?
What happens is you have asecure area.
You have the convention hall orstadium or wherever this is
happening, and then around that,a certain perimeter is wall.
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There is a large fence,security fence that the secret
service puts up because it's amassive target.
Right and outside of that,there are areas that are called
the free speech zone.
Now, there's free speecheverywhere, but this is the zone
where it's closest to it, wherethey specifically say this is
gonna be the closest to it.
You'll be able to yell at somepeople, but you really can't
throw things at them and it'srelatively safe.
(18:58):
That's called assault, but okay, right, but like they're trying
to both allow people to havethe speech without allowing them
the opportunity to commit anassault, they're trying to
prevent it.
Right, you can get into thepros and cons of a free speech
zone.
All it's.
All zones are free speech,whatever.
But, um, so they have the freespeech zone.
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That place got nutty.
First off it smelled terrible,but you had people burning
american flags.
You have people.
Um, you had a proto antifa, sobefore antifa it was just the
anarchists.
Um, they would go around intheir masks and they're all the
black and they would like a fewtimes they would just get into a
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room of people or not room ofpeople, like there'd be like a
mass of people, like chanting orwhatever, and they would run to
the middle and they would juststart yelling bomb and then they
would start dispersing to tryand get a panic to start and try
to get things to happen.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's nuts um,it's crazy.
Wait, how can?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
you yell bomb and like not go to jail.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Well, they ran away really fast.
That was part of the wholething.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But there was no video, so you can't be mad at us
.
Oh, there was video.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But it was dark and they were all black and had a
black mask on.
But also fun fact about thatyou can't yell.
I'm going to go on a tangenthere.
Fun fact about that you can'tyell.
I'm going to go on a tangenthere.
The line from that SupremeCourt case where you can't yell
fire in a theater was abouthanding out literature by
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socialists.
That was anti-draft and it wasused to justify limiting it and
it was ultimately overturned.
So it's not case law anymoreand the fire that they were
talking about was not wastelling people that they
shouldn't a socialist.
They can't tell people not toto burn their draft cards.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
so I I hesitate to use that example going forward
if I were you but it's just sortof a metaphor that's commonly
known, so I use it because Igotcha really if it really
shouting fire in a crowded movietheater isn't so much a first
amendment issue as it isinciting a riot because people
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are going to right it you knowit's imminent.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
it's imminent lawful action uh, you have to for a
speech to be considered notprotected, so covered all that
stuff I expect.
Listen, there's some stuff onthe right.
Right now We've obviously seensome right-wing protests get out
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of hand on the far far right umover the past few years, but
there's a lot happening.
In these pro-palestine protestslike the, the call to action for
the ut, one use all sorts ofwrong nomenclature for different
areas of the campus.
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They called everyone.
I mean it was written bysomebody that had very loose
affiliations with the university.
At best.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
And was coded and dog whistled towards communists,
hence the use of the term.
Comrades Like this is a Marxistmovement.
It is a facade, because you endup seeing all these things like
queers for palestine, where ifthere were queers in palestine
that were open, they'd be killed.
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I think the only people thatpalestinians hate more than
israelis are probably queer folkit's just alternative lifestyle
people any alternativelifestyle, and not necessarily
in Austin.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't remember where what video I saw, but
there were folks who havealternative lifestyles and they
were protesting.
You know Israel and beingpro-Palestine, and it's like I
don't understand.
This group hates you and wouldlike to see you dead.
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If you went to Palestine, theywould kill you, so why on earth
would you go to a protest tosupport them?
I'm having trouble wrapping myhead around that.
And, by the way, guys, ifanybody's got the answer to that
one, please leave it in thecomments, because I really would
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like to know the other side.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like, even if I don't agree with it, I'd like to know
the other side of it, using thepro-Palestine argument or
argumentation to glom on to justa general anti or general
leftist just protesting.
Because when I was coveringstuff eight years ago now, like
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the big issues were basicallyenvironmental, like don't build
pipelines, some union stuff,some $15 minimum wage stuff.
That was really what likeanimated the left.
For the most part, those werethe issues that were pushing
things forward, plus yourtypical gender pay things like
that.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Gender equity yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, I mean, that was what those protests were
about.
There wasn't a lot behind thembecause most things were.
You know, it was what it was.
Right now, the left is very,very, very angry generally at
Joe Biden and they're doing whatthey're going to act out.
I think we're going to seelisten 1968, famous DNC riot
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probably the last major riot ata public convention happened in
Chicago.
This year's DNC is in Chicago.
We're going to see violence atthe DNC this year.
I would bet money on it becausethey're agitating and it's like
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you said, it's nonsensical.
The coalition they formedunless you look at it as this is
a leftist movement ofcommunists and diehard
socialists, which are justcommunists in waiting, and they
are moving towards that type ofthat type of uh protest.
So I think that they're allgoing to get together.
(25:25):
The rnc won't be as bad andthose will be there will.
Theirs will be first this.
I think there's this first thisyear and it'll be fine because
it's trump.
People will be pissed, whatever, but they're going to get
geared up and they're going tobe hot.
They're going to be're going toget geared up and they're going
to be hot.
They're going to be in Chicagoin the summertime and we're
going to see.
I think we're going to see whatwe saw in 1968 again.
Now they don't have a Democratgovernor, I mean sorry, they
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have a Democrat governor.
They have a Democrat mayor.
They've defunded the police.
They've um oh, cashless bond youknow, the whole nine yards and
so so, like, what's going tohappen when you don't have
what's going to happen?
I don't know, but I thinkyou're going to see major
protests, you're going to seemajor issues at the dnc, and I
(26:09):
don't think it's going to lookparticularly well to the rest of
america, um, when it happens.
But we're getting ahead ofourselves.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, a particular large city mayor, during a set
of riots you know, basically waslike oh, we need to give them
space to destroy.
And I was just like, are youkidding me with this?
(26:35):
They are destroying otherpeople's property and city
property which has been paid forby taxpayer dollars, and you
want to give them room todestroy more.
And I believe that madenational news, though I was
local at the time, but I wascompletely and utterly shocked
(26:56):
by such a statement.
So I wonder if we're going tosee the same sort of thing in
chicago I don't know, but I Ithink, I think we were going.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We're going to see something.
Um, just based off how thisstuff is starting to happen
we're a few months out thingsare going to get hot.
It really depends on ifanything else kicks, keeps the
momentum going.
But it's a presidentialelection year and things
something usually does, likeFerguson was happening in 2012
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or 2014.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm trying now I'm trying to remember 2012,.
I was in Tampa.
No, it was 2014.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But, like you had all the BLM riots in 2020, during
that kind of time frame, thingsare going to start getting hot
and things are going to startgoing a little kooky and I think
right now, if the way it goes,it's going to go that way.
But we're seeing violence.
We're seeing that sort ofvandalism in Texasxas too, just
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a little bit more limited.
I mean, congressman john carterhad one of his offices
vandalized in georgetown I sawthat I saw that georgetown is
fairly it's.
Georgetown is fairlyconservative because it has sun
city in it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay so georgetown is in dc and no, no, no no, no,
georgetown texas, this isGeorgetown.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
So north of Austin?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Okay, none of the Congress people have their
offices in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I thought that was Georgetown in DC when I saw the
picture.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
No no, he's going to have a building in Canaan or
whatever.
He's not going to have anotheroffice in DC.
No, it's Georgetown, texas.
He represents Williamson Countyand he had his things.
He voted for funding for Israeland he had red paint looking at
blood painted Free Gaza allover his office.
(28:46):
That sort of things arehappening and Garza is.
I mean, this is a differentcounty, but Garza is refusing to
prosecute.
These liberal prosecutors arefailing to prosecute these
people.
Lock them up or whatever.
When you here's the thing, ifyou're in your 20s, it was most
likely when you're gonna beprotesting, the overwhelming
majority of people who are goingto be committing the crimes are
(29:06):
going to be.
This can be a relatively smallnumber of people.
It's just the general criminaltheory behind it is most people.
Most crimes are committed by avery small amount of people.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And they typically are men between the ages of like
15 and 30.
So there's a lot of wisdomabout locking those folks up if
they're going to be thosehigh-capacity criminals, and the
guards is doing nothing tolimit them and that's why we've
seen I believe we've seen suchlarge spikes of criminal
(29:40):
activity in major metros aspolicies before were capturing
those individuals and removingthem from society for a limited
time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you and I talk offline all the time and I
always, you know, and I talkoffline all the time and I
always.
You know the reference that Iuse is somewhere between five
and 10% of any group of peopleare just delulu.
They're crazy.
Um, and and, and.
So I, I I call it the 7% rule,and so 7% of any community are,
(30:17):
you know way, you know, on oneside and you can't tell them
anything.
And I don't care if it's acollege campus, I don't care, I
guarantee everybody watchingthis has at least one family
member.
Maybe it's a cousin or a secondcousin, and it's just a little
(30:37):
odd.
So you know and, and and itdoesn't matter, it's it's like,
but teachers, there are teacherswho are, you know, a little, I
don't know, ridiculous from formy taste, but they make the rest
of them look bad.
You know and, and, and, so youknow you could have the.
I mean, I was involved withsetting up, uh, tea party
(30:59):
rallies, um, a few years ago, um, taxed enough already yeah, and
and so we were very clear witheverybody and everybody got a
handout, you know, of.
You know, don't do this, do this, don't do this.
And, by the way, here are thespeakers.
And you know there was always.
You know, don't do this, dothis, don't do this.
And, by the way, here are thespeakers, and you know there was
always somebody that and, and Iwas, and I, you know, if I was
(31:23):
in charge, the police would cometo me and say, cause I was
working out of the Capitol andand, but if any rally I've ever
organized, the police would cometo me and say, um person with
you and, generally speaking, no,it's some guy that just showed
up, or I think once it was awoman, but so I don't want to
say always a guy, but generallyspeaking, it is a guy, it is a
(31:46):
male, and they're around thebend.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, I'll put that well what I think is interesting
is we've not some generalcondemnation out of this from
kind of the defend Texas libertyfolks.
The guys who focus on it Mostof the Republican hits on the
Democrats are coming from thenormies, normies, um, but like
(32:20):
the dtl folks are having a hardtime, I think, justifying it, or
they know they're just gonnaget whacked again with the fact
that they had that meeting withfuentes, because you can't
really go after thepro-palestine, anti-israel
people when you're have that onyour record.
So we're not really seeing asmuch out of it as you'd like to,
which is crazy, because this isgoing to be a big issue that
Republicans can hit Democrats onfor being looney tunes.
(32:41):
We're just not using it.
I will give credit wherecredit's due Mitch Little, who's
the GOP nominee now.
He won his primary.
He's been great on this issueso far, on X or whatever.
Just talking about that.
These folks should be punished,and you know the speech.
(33:03):
It's not the speech itselfnecessarily.
That's the issue.
It's that their actions areproblematic.
You know he's taking he's andhe's like saying, like you know,
we should be pro-Israel, allthis other stuff which is you
know, I believe we should aswell.
So kudos to him on that, onthis issue in particular.
I just wanted to throw that outthere Cause I don't want to see
(33:24):
things like we're always hittingthese folks credit where
credit's due, but if we don't,this is something where I don't
think most of the DTL candidatesare really gearing up for this,
because they don't think mostof the DTL candidates are really
gearing up for this becausethey don't really care about
going after Democrats as much.
But this is a unifying issue forRepublicans.
If they can at least help unifythe party and say, hey, we
(33:49):
don't like these Democratseither.
Let's do that, especially oncethe runoffs are over, so that we
can go through and win innovember.
Because there's a lot of folksboth normie and um dtl backed
that are in marginal districts.
We're gonna need allrepublicans to turn out for them
, whether it's angie chin buttonor morgan meyer up in the
(34:12):
dallas area or mark la hood uhdown in san an Antonio.
Like these are folks that aregoing to need are in districts
that are an issue.
You also have the district, thecongressional district 23,
where Gonzalez and Herrera aregoing at it.
Well, if Gonzalez loses that,herrera's going to have a hard
time winning that district inthe general, but regardless,
people are going to need to cometogether because that's a
(34:34):
marginal district.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And if we're not coming together, then the party
is just going to fracture andyou can just turn Texas blue
again.
People need to realize that youcan disagree with somebody and
we've talked about this beforebut it doesn't matter what the
issue is.
If you are pro-Palestine and Iam pro-Israel, you have the
(35:08):
right to your opinion and Isupport your right to talk about
your opinion.
I am not in agreement with you.
However, I support your rightto speak your opinion in a
lawful manner.
Don't you know, start a riot?
Don't you know?
Whatever, we don't have toagree on everything.
We have to agree on most thingsin order to be Republicans.
So I'm not going to sit here andthrow pro-Palestine people and
(35:30):
oh they're, you know.
I mean, you hear it all overTwitter and Facebook and you
know they're calling them namesand it's like look and Facebook,
and you know they're callingthem names and it's like look, I
don't agree with you, but you,you do you.
Okay, I'm, I'm moving on andI'm talking about my viewpoint
and I'm not going to fight withyou about it.
I'm, it's just, we need to getalong or we're going to lose
(35:51):
seats.
We're going to lose seatsfederally.
We're going to lose seats inAustin, and at some point,
civility needs to reign.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Well, I don't think we're quite to that point yet.
Let's follow up on some storiesthat we covered a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Ken Paxton seems to be filing a lawsuit against the
Title IX changes, which, onceagain, I really wish a different
state would take lead on it,because I would like it for the
rights cause to win, and I don'tthink Paxton and his current
crop of D-list attorneys are upfor the challenge.
(36:32):
But people are talking about apossible matchup against John
Cornyn.
Yeah, I read about that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, and Cornyn, yeah, I read about that and
Cornyn's like I'm not worriedabout it.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He shouldn't be at this point.
I think if he wins theleadership challenge and Trump
wins the presidency, then Trumpwill ultimately back Cornyn, Not
Paxton Cornyn.
Trump will back CornynRegardless.
I don't think Cornyn'sdependent on a Trump endorsement
, but if he got it, Paxton wouldjust lose.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let me just say if former President Trump chooses
to endorse, I can speakoccasionally If he chooses to
endorse, Senator.
John Cornyn.
The 2A community is going tolose their collective minds.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
But Trump doesn't care about that kind of thing,
he just cares about.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
He's going to need them.
He's going to need them.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Cornyn's been in leadership in the Senate for a
while and making that machinerun is a task that few are up to
and, depending on how stuffbreaks out, you're going to need
folks to.
Cornyn will be somebody who cando it.
He's one of the folks who cando it.
He's one of the folks who cando it.
(37:56):
So if he's able to win theleadership position and I guess
he'll probably be in December,late November, early December
then I think he'll be fine goinginto the next primary.
But it's too early to tell.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It also depends on if we're still in the majority.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, I'm not saying he'd be majority leader, because
in the minority it's adisability of leadership
generally, but I don't.
Paxton is riding high on thehog right now is riding high on
the hog right now.
(38:38):
I do not know how well he'llstand up to the buzzsaw that is
John Cornyn campaign.
John Cornyn is particularly inhis campaign are pretty, pretty
good.
I mean, they're very good.
So I don't know if he'll beable to withstand that sort of
(38:59):
pressure.
He hasn't had a like Paxton,not Paxton.
George P Bush's campaign wasrun fairly well but it wasn't
like out of this world done welland I think Cornyn will like as
the incumbent, cornyn versusand Cornyn's name isn't George
Bush.
(39:19):
So I think Cornyn running.
Obviously we're more than twoyears out.
Anything can happen, but atthis point I just don't see
Paxton beating Cornynhead-to-head.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I don't know, I mean so if they have to choose.
So I mean I can.
I feel like I can speak togenerally the, the second
amendment crowd.
I cannot speak generally toother coalitions within the
republican party, but the crowd,not fans, and they are very
(40:00):
loud.
So and they still haven'tforgiven him for the.
What is it?
Safer communities, bipartisanobligat.
And now recently Cornyn hasdiscovered, oh gee, there's some
problems with this and so nowhe's trying to fix it and it's
like like we told you this.
But anyway, so I I just kenpaxton is.
(40:27):
I can't think of a reason forthe 2a community to dislike him
and come out against him.
Um, I don't know what the NRAwill do, although I would think
they would tend to.
They tend to endorse the onethat's already in the seat
because they have a record, butwith Ken Paxton being AG, that
(40:52):
may be a bit of a tricky wicketfor them.
So I don't know, we'll yeahwe'll see, uh.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And then also, it looks like caitlin clark is
going to make a lot of moneyfrom an endorsement deal, which
is what I think we talked about.
But I mean, wmba doesn't makeenough very much money, uh, and
loses money, so it was 90 right,yeah, I just have I just have
endorsement deal right now, butit was yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Uh, anyway, it was a sneaker company, but I think it
was nike, and I was like sothrilled when I read this.
I was like, you know, becauseshe deserves, she's a very
talented player and she wants togo play for the wmba and I'm
delighted that somebody came toher and is going to make, you
know, is going to hold her up,as you know, this amazing
(41:44):
athlete that she is.
So it's good for women, it'sgood for women's basketball,
it's good for women's sports.
It's a win, win, win, win, win,win.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
And you know, caitlin , so I think that's all we got
for this week, but we'll be backnext wednesday, unless more
crazy news drops and we have tocome up a little bit early.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to this week's
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If you are a new subscriber,whether it's a podcast or on the
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thank you, thank you, thank you.
We love you and we appreciateyou and you know who you are.
So, garrett, some reallyinteresting things to talk about
(01:07):
this week.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let's start with the hook them horns.
Yeah, the hook them horns.
Yeah.
Ut had a lot going on this week.
Obviously they had the Title IXstuff starting to come down
last week.
There have been a lot of freePalestine movements the Popular
Union of Students, or whateverthey call themselves for general
(01:31):
protesting at UT against Israel, of all things, basically
trying to get the university todivest, to boycott, divest and
then ultimately sanction Israel.
So the BDS movement has beenaround for a while.
There have been protests allover the country for I feel like
decades at this point for thatparticular movement.
(01:53):
But this past week UT broughtout the DPS had a larger protest
than they had been having.
They'd had about 13 sinceOctober 7th when Hamas invaded
Israel and killed over athousand civilians and
(02:16):
ultimately starting this recentwar between Hamas and Israel and
the law of protests againstIsrael, which is odd, but he's
existed forever.
And there have been theseprotests where all over the
country.
(02:37):
So Harvard, columbia, yale, NYU,ucla a famous one at a small
state school in California, calPoly Humboldt.
It used to be Cal StateHumboldt, home of Bigfoot and
all sorts of crypto creatures.
Humboldt County is aninteresting place.
(02:58):
I had a roommate who livedthere, so I know far more about
Humboldt County than I wouldlike to.
Who live there.
So I know far more aboutHumboldt County than I would
like to, but I remember that itwas known for its high incidence
of Bigfoot sightings.
So there've been thingshappening all over the all over
the country.
So at Columbia they've takenover a certain area and they've
(03:19):
been.
The university has been tryingto negotiate with these, with
these protesters, these whichyou know.
There's trespassing, and thenthere's this squatting.
So these squatters, and thenyou have the Cal State Humboldt
or Cal Poly Humboldt.
Now they have been taking overbuildings and occupying the
(03:41):
buildings and the footage out ofthose buildings is like they
basically just gra everything toall to no end and they're key
buildings.
So the universities had to shutdown.
They had to shut down theuniversity.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
basically there's no classes, no classes at least I,
you know, I I am all about thefirst amendment, all about the
right to free speech.
I got no issues with collegestudents expressing their
viewpoints, but when the whenthe college says, okay, you want
to organize a rally for orprotest against, here are the
(04:13):
rules of the college, you needto follow them.
And what I'm reading now, andwhatever what I've been reading,
well, yeah, what I've beenreally reading really recently
is some of these students whowere arrested or suspended from
school are now crying becausethis is going to follow them
into the real world, becausethere is, you know, a record.
(04:33):
And I'm like why did you notconsider that before you went to
this thing?
Or did it just seem like a goodidea at the time and you showed
up, literally, I saw a video ofnyu protest and the commentator
was saying so what brings youhere today?
And they were literally like Idon't know, we're from columbia
(04:53):
and they said come support nyu,so that's why we're here.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, no, no and that and that's and that's common.
You talk to people.
Actually, at a protest, most ofthe people are there just
because it's a big eventhappening, right, and and their
friends are there, right.
People beget people.
If you build it, they will come, type thing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right.
So the it's a good reason toskip class.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah Right, I've always loved those protests Like
, oh, we're going to walk out ofclass.
I was like why, yeah, why, mostteachers aren't going to give
you a pass for that the ones whodo are going to pass you anyway
, so nor should they, right I?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
mean that's not.
That's not.
That is not a common excusedabsence.
You're sick, you've got adoctor's appointment, there's a
family emergency, those are thethings.
But to participate voluntarilyin a rally when you have a class
, if I were the teacher I'd belike absent.
And if some teachers count yourabsentees against your final
(05:52):
grade, uh, my mother taughtcollege.
She did not, because if youweren't, her attitude was, if
you weren't in her class, youweren't gonna pass.
So she didn't.
She took the college requiredher to take attendance, but she
didn't count it against youbecause she didn't just teach
from the textbook, she taughtfrom real world experiences and
(06:14):
lessons and if you weren't thereyou were out of luck, and I
think that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right.
So all these protests at theseother major institutions in
other states, the ones that havegotten the most attention have
been the ones where they've beenable to occupy space.
They've set up tents, They'vetaken over buildings etc.
They were trying to do that atUT.
So UT, they had a permit.
So at UT, basically, theprocess is a student
(06:42):
organization has to sponsor anevent or certain types of things
and you can do it for protestsand it's pretty easy to do as
long as you follow theinstitutional rules.
Like you can't disturb theeducational environment of
others, you can't block egress,things like that.
If you're going to do a parade,you have to get a special
permit for that parade.
It has to be during certainhours, whatever, Same as in town
(07:04):
, which is called a time placeand manner restriction, which is
to say the government canrestrict speech if it's
viewpoint neutral.
So you're not just willy-nillysaying you can't speak or you
can speak.
And if there is a reasonablewhat's called time place and
manner restriction, which is tosay you don't have to let a
bunch of protesters onto amilitary base and block training
if you're against the draft,you have to let a bunch of
(07:26):
protesters onto a military baseand block training if you're
against the draft or you don'thave to let protests into a
classroom or something like that.
So the university has had a longtypes of protests because of
(07:49):
what happened during Vietnam.
There was tons of Vietnamprotests at UT.
There's all sorts of fountainsand trees and kind of raised
beds that are put in place tomitigate how much where people
can gather to do it.
So now there's only a coupleplaces where it's still feasible
and one of those places is thesix-pack or south lawn.
(08:11):
Um, that's what they're callingit.
They uh, no one's really calledit south lawn and everyone
called it the six-pack or thesouth mall, because you have the
west mall, you're the east malland you have the West Mall, the
East Mall and you have theSouth Mall, which are basically
these green areas that go offfrom the main tower at UT, and
(08:31):
they had brought tents and wereplanning to occupy and they were
stating it.
So UT said, based off of yourpublic statements, that you plan
to violate rules, we areremoving your permit, schools,
we are removing your permit.
And they brought in additionallaw enforcement help Because UT
(08:52):
has PD, has its own police force, it's relatively small.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Many colleges do now.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and many private universities do, but
UT's had one forever and it'srelatively small.
I mean, ut has a studentpopulation of like 50 or 60,000,
which is a large school, butyou know, an urban city of 50 or
60,000 people doesn't need thatmany cops, especially when all
the felony investigationsautomatically get kicked to the
(09:17):
Austin PD.
So you know it's a relativelysmall force.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And they asked for help from Austin PD and they
asked for help from Texas DPSdand they asked for help from
texas dps.
Who did they ask apd I?
I knew he was there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Okay, I mean, if you look at the photos, you lived in
austin and if you went to utyou'd recognize all the
different things.
But yeah, apd was there.
They have a very iconic um bluelike on their shoulder thing,
so you can tell they're APDofficers, and then um DPS is an
iconic like brown uniform.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So so I think what I took away from all of these
schools is you know, if you'regoing to participate in this and
you're going to break the rules, you better be ready for the
consequences you can't have.
You can't go into these thingsand either break university
rules or break the law and getyourself arrested and and expect
(10:11):
to be like oh, but it was aprotest and I was just first
amendment.
No, no, you can't shout fire ina crowded movie theater.
There's a reason for that right.
And, as you pointed out, youeven need you know a permit to
(10:32):
whether it's on college campusor in a town.
I used to live in a little townand we would have a Christmas
parade every year and they wouldshut down the major
thoroughfare in and out of townbetween, like I don't know, six
and nine o'clock or somethinglike that thoroughfare in and
out of town between, like Idon't know, six and nine o'clock
or something like that.
And we, you had to go, theorganizers had to go get a
permit so that everybody wasaware what was happening.
(10:53):
And you know this something andeverything could be planned for
people would be safe, peoplecould get, get around the town,
go to get around campus.
You know this something.
The other thing but if you'regoing to break the rules, you
don't show up for class, you getarrested.
Austin or NYU police arrest you.
Don't be crying to me, like donot be crying to me because I
(11:16):
got no use for it.
I support your right to feelhow you feel, but you need to
follow the rules for expressingthat.
But you need to follow therules for expressing that.
You don't get to run arounddowntown naked with a burning
flag protesting, like that's notthe rules, that's not how you
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, you can protest how you want to protest.
The speech itself isn't theissue.
What you're talking about thereisn't necessarily the speech
that's at issue.
It's the fact that you have alit object and you're running
around with something on fire.
But if that is your form ofprotest, like let's say your
flag says I just want to protest, but no.
(12:00):
So the issue is you're rightthat they're breaking other laws
in their protest.
Sometimes you'll have laws,though, that are put in place to
limit speech they call what'shave a chilling effect.
So we have to look and see ifthe law itself is particularly
relevant, and there's always aform of civil disobedience,
which is to challenge unjustlaws.
(12:21):
But you have to.
Part of civil disobedience andchallenging an unjust law, as
was learned from the civilrights movement, is the
acceptance of the consequencesfor violating the law.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Like Martin Luther King and the other civil rights
leaders, when they were inprison they knew they had
violated the law.
It was an unjust law and theywanted to fight it.
And that was the point, rightthey they were accepting the
consequences.
And that's part of highlightingthe injustice of a illiberal or
unjust law like that's andthat's part of it means you have
(12:55):
to be willing to accept it.
You're not really but theboo-hoo.
The fact that it happened it'sto go fight the law itself.
So but ut really got in thereand was um, didn't let people
take, take over the, come on tothat piece of property.
So there are six main buildingsin the college of liberal arts.
(13:15):
They go down south from thetower towards the capital
because there's a direct line ofsight from the capital um to
the ut tower.
So there Tower, there's astraight line and there's no
buildings between it.
And then on the UT campusthat's facilitated by the South
Mall and that area is a greenspace.
It's a great place to study.
(13:37):
Finals or the last day of classis today, which is a Monday, and
I believe finals start onThursday.
So this was all done the weekbefore finals started.
As classes are wrapping up someclasses are doing would do like
their final class time, becauseit didn't need to be a
comprehensive like three-hourfinal, and so it's a really,
(13:59):
when it comes to the educationalenvironment.
It was a very critical time forUT and for most colleges to do
it at this time, and those are alot of the government
departments there, the historydepartments, spanish like Econ
Coms no, coms is somewhere else.
(14:20):
That area is like all theliberal arts majors, it's the
home of the College of LiberalArts, so there's a ton of stuff
happening right there, a lot ofstudents going for those types
of finals at this time and thosetypes of end-of-year things.
And UT just didn't let themcome in and they ended up having
to arrest about 50-some-oddpeople and they were able to
(14:44):
stop them from occupying thearea.
And people have criticized UTbecause they pushed everyone out
, they removed all the tents andall those sorts of things and
then they let people come backin because they weren't upset
about people protesting in,because they weren't upset about
people protesting, they wereupset about people using
amplified amplified uh, volume,uh, so like loudspeakers and
(15:05):
disrupting classes which wasdisrupts, disrupting the
environment and educationalenvironment, and they were upset
about people camping, trying tocamp and occupy quote-un the
area because they did not wantpeople to.
Once again, that is the heart ofcampus.
If you occupy that area, youshut down the College of Liberal
Arts, which is like 30 or someodd percent of the university,
(15:29):
and they weren't going to letthat happen.
They just weren't going to doit and they had the backing of
the state government, unlikeother places where you don't
have it, because they definitelydon't have the backing of the
state government, unlike otherplaces where you don't have it,
because they definitely don'thave the backing of the city.
All of those protesters, Ithink every single one, had
their charges dropped, eventhough they're on video refusing
a dispersal order In Austin.
Yeah, because DA Garza, who isunder his own issue right now
(15:56):
with people seeking to removehim for not um, pursuing certain
charges certain exactly and nowhe and now he's not doing it
because there wasn't enoughinformation in the affidavit and
the affidavit said we're toldto disperse.
It was given a lawfuldisbursement order and refused.
Well, what else do you need?
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don'tknow.
(16:16):
Plus, everything's on video.
So I don't, I don't, I don'treally understand that element.
I'm not a prosecutor.
Maybe someone could say, oh,those affidavits weren't good
enough, but they're not evenpursuing the criminal trespass
issues which were present.
So UT Austin still has yet tohave issues and a lot of people
are not at campus regularly.
(16:36):
Starting today, this is thelast day of class.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Which?
Why this week?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
yeah, so ut they can occupy, start occupying stuff.
That just won't be nearly asmany people who are based in
austin, because people will begoing home for the summer.
People are graduating, newstudents aren't coming in yet,
all sorts of stuff and uh, Ithink ut handled it well.
There's some been a lot of beena lot of people talking about
oh, we shouldn't have brought itin, it was peaceful, whatever.
They just they did what in?
(17:05):
they shouldn't have brought thestate troopers in.
Uh, they're upset that theydidn't let the, the students
rage and I, and I gotta tell you, gotta tell you, they're
playing with fire.
I've been to yes, they are.
I've been to a ton of protestscovering them.
Like I'm not a journalist, Iwas a political operative.
Part of my job was to go tocertain types of events,
(17:27):
depending on who was speaking atthem, to record their speeches
so that we could use it againstthem.
Um, whenever they said research.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was opposition research yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So I was at the DNC in 2016.
And what you won't realize isDemocrats will often go to the
Republican National Conventionand do what are called
bracketing events, which isbasically they're trying to get
into the news stories that aregoing to be covered to give
their spin on whatever'shappening.
So I was at the RNC in 2016covering Democrats who were
(17:56):
speaking.
I did the stuff at DNC in 2016.
The RNC in 2016, coveringDemocrats who were speaking.
I did the stuff at DNC in 2016.
Rnc was relatively calm.
There was some stuff.
There was some Code Pink didsome things, peta did some
things, but it was normal justgetting into new stuff.
They weren't particularlyinteresting.
The DNC was nuts.
(18:16):
Particularly interesting.
The dnc was was nuts.
And what happens at the dnchistorically is you have the far
left come out to try andprotest for whatever their cause
is to democrats and they allend up what happens?
What happens is you have asecure area.
You have the convention hall orstadium or wherever this is
happening, and then around that,a certain perimeter is wall.
(18:37):
There is a large fence,security fence that the secret
service puts up because it's amassive target.
Right and outside of that,there are areas that are called
the free speech zone.
Now, there's free speecheverywhere, but this is the zone
where it's closest to it, wherethey specifically say this is
gonna be the closest to it.
You'll be able to yell at somepeople, but you really can't
throw things at them and it'srelatively safe.
(18:58):
That's called assault, but okay, right, but like they're trying
to both allow people to havethe speech without allowing them
the opportunity to commit anassault, they're trying to
prevent it.
Right, you can get into thepros and cons of a free speech
zone.
All it's.
All zones are free speech,whatever.
But, um, so they have the freespeech zone.
(19:20):
That place got nutty.
First off it smelled terrible,but you had people burning
american flags.
You have people.
Um, you had a proto antifa, sobefore antifa it was just the
anarchists.
Um, they would go around intheir masks and they're all the
black and they would like a fewtimes they would just get into a
(19:40):
room of people or not room ofpeople, like there'd be like a
mass of people, like chanting orwhatever, and they would run to
the middle and they would juststart yelling bomb and then they
would start dispersing to tryand get a panic to start and try
to get things to happen.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's nuts um,it's crazy.
Wait, how can?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
you yell bomb and like not go to jail.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Well, they ran away really fast.
That was part of the wholething.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But there was no video, so you can't be mad at us
.
Oh, there was video.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But it was dark and they were all black and had a
black mask on.
But also fun fact about thatyou can't yell.
I'm going to go on a tangenthere.
Fun fact about that you can'tyell.
I'm going to go on a tangenthere.
The line from that SupremeCourt case where you can't yell
fire in a theater was abouthanding out literature by
(20:30):
socialists.
That was anti-draft and it wasused to justify limiting it and
it was ultimately overturned.
So it's not case law anymoreand the fire that they were
talking about was not wastelling people that they
shouldn't a socialist.
They can't tell people not toto burn their draft cards.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
so I I hesitate to use that example going forward
if I were you but it's just sortof a metaphor that's commonly
known, so I use it because Igotcha really if it really
shouting fire in a crowded movietheater isn't so much a first
amendment issue as it isinciting a riot because people
(21:10):
are going to right it you knowit's imminent.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
it's imminent lawful action uh, you have to for a
speech to be considered notprotected, so covered all that
stuff I expect.
Listen, there's some stuff onthe right.
Right now We've obviously seensome right-wing protests get out
(21:34):
of hand on the far far right umover the past few years, but
there's a lot happening.
In these pro-palestine protestslike the, the call to action for
the ut, one use all sorts ofwrong nomenclature for different
areas of the campus.
(21:54):
They called everyone.
I mean it was written bysomebody that had very loose
affiliations with the university.
At best.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
And was coded and dog whistled towards communists,
hence the use of the term.
Comrades Like this is a Marxistmovement.
It is a facade, because you endup seeing all these things like
queers for palestine, where ifthere were queers in palestine
that were open, they'd be killed.
(22:25):
I think the only people thatpalestinians hate more than
israelis are probably queer folkit's just alternative lifestyle
people any alternativelifestyle, and not necessarily
in Austin.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't remember where what video I saw, but
there were folks who havealternative lifestyles and they
were protesting.
You know Israel and beingpro-Palestine, and it's like I
don't understand.
This group hates you and wouldlike to see you dead.
(22:59):
If you went to Palestine, theywould kill you, so why on earth
would you go to a protest tosupport them?
I'm having trouble wrapping myhead around that.
And, by the way, guys, ifanybody's got the answer to that
one, please leave it in thecomments, because I really would
(23:21):
like to know the other side.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like, even if I don't agree with it, I'd like to know
the other side of it, using thepro-Palestine argument or
argumentation to glom on to justa general anti or general
leftist just protesting.
Because when I was coveringstuff eight years ago now, like
(23:50):
the big issues were basicallyenvironmental, like don't build
pipelines, some union stuff,some $15 minimum wage stuff.
That was really what likeanimated the left.
For the most part, those werethe issues that were pushing
things forward, plus yourtypical gender pay things like
that.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Gender equity yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, I mean, that was what those protests were
about.
There wasn't a lot behind thembecause most things were.
You know, it was what it was.
Right now, the left is very,very, very angry generally at
Joe Biden and they're doing whatthey're going to act out.
I think we're going to seelisten 1968, famous DNC riot
(24:37):
probably the last major riot ata public convention happened in
Chicago.
This year's DNC is in Chicago.
We're going to see violence atthe DNC this year.
I would bet money on it becausethey're agitating and it's like
(25:04):
you said, it's nonsensical.
The coalition they formedunless you look at it as this is
a leftist movement ofcommunists and diehard
socialists, which are justcommunists in waiting, and they
are moving towards that type ofthat type of uh protest.
So I think that they're allgoing to get together.
(25:25):
The rnc won't be as bad andthose will be there will.
Theirs will be first this.
I think there's this first thisyear and it'll be fine because
it's trump.
People will be pissed, whatever, but they're going to get
geared up and they're going tobe hot.
They're going to be're going toget geared up and they're going
to be hot.
They're going to be in Chicagoin the summertime and we're
going to see.
I think we're going to see whatwe saw in 1968 again.
Now they don't have a Democratgovernor, I mean sorry, they
(25:47):
have a Democrat governor.
They have a Democrat mayor.
They've defunded the police.
They've um oh, cashless bond youknow, the whole nine yards and
so so, like, what's going tohappen when you don't have
what's going to happen?
I don't know, but I thinkyou're going to see major
protests, you're going to seemajor issues at the dnc, and I
(26:09):
don't think it's going to lookparticularly well to the rest of
america, um, when it happens.
But we're getting ahead ofourselves.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, a particular large city mayor, during a set
of riots you know, basically waslike oh, we need to give them
space to destroy.
And I was just like, are youkidding me with this?
(26:35):
They are destroying otherpeople's property and city
property which has been paid forby taxpayer dollars, and you
want to give them room todestroy more.
And I believe that madenational news, though I was
local at the time, but I wascompletely and utterly shocked
(26:56):
by such a statement.
So I wonder if we're going tosee the same sort of thing in
chicago I don't know, but I Ithink, I think we were going.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We're going to see something.
Um, just based off how thisstuff is starting to happen
we're a few months out thingsare going to get hot.
It really depends on ifanything else kicks, keeps the
momentum going.
But it's a presidentialelection year and things
something usually does, likeFerguson was happening in 2012
(27:29):
or 2014.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm trying now I'm trying to remember 2012,.
I was in Tampa.
No, it was 2014.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But, like you had all the BLM riots in 2020, during
that kind of time frame, thingsare going to start getting hot
and things are going to startgoing a little kooky and I think
right now, if the way it goes,it's going to go that way.
But we're seeing violence.
We're seeing that sort ofvandalism in Texasxas too, just
(27:56):
a little bit more limited.
I mean, congressman john carterhad one of his offices
vandalized in georgetown I sawthat I saw that georgetown is
fairly it's.
Georgetown is fairlyconservative because it has sun
city in it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay so georgetown is in dc and no, no, no no, no,
georgetown texas, this isGeorgetown.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
So north of Austin?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Okay, none of the Congress people have their
offices in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I thought that was Georgetown in DC when I saw the
picture.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
No no, he's going to have a building in Canaan or
whatever.
He's not going to have anotheroffice in DC.
No, it's Georgetown, texas.
He represents Williamson Countyand he had his things.
He voted for funding for Israeland he had red paint looking at
blood painted Free Gaza allover his office.
(28:46):
That sort of things arehappening and Garza is.
I mean, this is a differentcounty, but Garza is refusing to
prosecute.
These liberal prosecutors arefailing to prosecute these
people.
Lock them up or whatever.
When you here's the thing, ifyou're in your 20s, it was most
likely when you're gonna beprotesting, the overwhelming
majority of people who are goingto be committing the crimes are
(29:06):
going to be.
This can be a relatively smallnumber of people.
It's just the general criminaltheory behind it is most people.
Most crimes are committed by avery small amount of people.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And they typically are men between the ages of like
15 and 30.
So there's a lot of wisdomabout locking those folks up if
they're going to be thosehigh-capacity criminals, and the
guards is doing nothing tolimit them and that's why we've
seen I believe we've seen suchlarge spikes of criminal
(29:40):
activity in major metros aspolicies before were capturing
those individuals and removingthem from society for a limited
time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you and I talk offline all the time and I
always, you know, and I talkoffline all the time and I
always.
You know the reference that Iuse is somewhere between five
and 10% of any group of peopleare just delulu.
They're crazy.
Um, and and, and.
So I, I I call it the 7% rule,and so 7% of any community are,
(30:17):
you know way, you know, on oneside and you can't tell them
anything.
And I don't care if it's acollege campus, I don't care, I
guarantee everybody watchingthis has at least one family
member.
Maybe it's a cousin or a secondcousin, and it's just a little
(30:37):
odd.
So you know and, and and itdoesn't matter, it's it's like,
but teachers, there are teacherswho are, you know, a little, I
don't know, ridiculous from formy taste, but they make the rest
of them look bad.
You know and, and, and, so youknow you could have the.
I mean, I was involved withsetting up, uh, tea party
(30:59):
rallies, um, a few years ago, um, taxed enough already yeah, and
and so we were very clear witheverybody and everybody got a
handout, you know, of.
You know, don't do this, do this, don't do this.
And, by the way, here are thespeakers.
And you know there was always.
You know, don't do this, dothis, don't do this.
And, by the way, here are thespeakers, and you know there was
always somebody that and, and Iwas, and I, you know, if I was
(31:23):
in charge, the police would cometo me and say, cause I was
working out of the Capitol andand, but if any rally I've ever
organized, the police would cometo me and say, um person with
you and, generally speaking, no,it's some guy that just showed
up, or I think once it was awoman, but so I don't want to
say always a guy, but generallyspeaking, it is a guy, it is a
(31:46):
male, and they're around thebend.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, I'll put that well what I think is interesting
is we've not some generalcondemnation out of this from
kind of the defend Texas libertyfolks.
The guys who focus on it Mostof the Republican hits on the
Democrats are coming from thenormies, normies, um, but like
(32:20):
the dtl folks are having a hardtime, I think, justifying it, or
they know they're just gonnaget whacked again with the fact
that they had that meeting withfuentes, because you can't
really go after thepro-palestine, anti-israel
people when you're have that onyour record.
So we're not really seeing asmuch out of it as you'd like to,
which is crazy, because this isgoing to be a big issue that
Republicans can hit Democrats onfor being looney tunes.
(32:41):
We're just not using it.
I will give credit wherecredit's due Mitch Little, who's
the GOP nominee now.
He won his primary.
He's been great on this issueso far, on X or whatever.
Just talking about that.
These folks should be punished,and you know the speech.
(33:03):
It's not the speech itselfnecessarily.
That's the issue.
It's that their actions areproblematic.
You know he's taking he's andhe's like saying, like you know,
we should be pro-Israel, allthis other stuff which is you
know, I believe we should aswell.
So kudos to him on that, onthis issue in particular.
I just wanted to throw that outthere Cause I don't want to see
(33:24):
things like we're always hittingthese folks credit where
credit's due, but if we don't,this is something where I don't
think most of the DTL candidatesare really gearing up for this,
because they don't think mostof the DTL candidates are really
gearing up for this becausethey don't really care about
going after Democrats as much.
But this is a unifying issue forRepublicans.
If they can at least help unifythe party and say, hey, we
(33:49):
don't like these Democratseither.
Let's do that, especially oncethe runoffs are over, so that we
can go through and win innovember.
Because there's a lot of folksboth normie and um dtl backed
that are in marginal districts.
We're gonna need allrepublicans to turn out for them
, whether it's angie chin buttonor morgan meyer up in the
(34:12):
dallas area or mark la hood uhdown in san an Antonio.
Like these are folks that aregoing to need are in districts
that are an issue.
You also have the district, thecongressional district 23,
where Gonzalez and Herrera aregoing at it.
Well, if Gonzalez loses that,herrera's going to have a hard
time winning that district inthe general, but regardless,
people are going to need to cometogether because that's a
(34:34):
marginal district.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And if we're not coming together, then the party
is just going to fracture andyou can just turn Texas blue
again.
People need to realize that youcan disagree with somebody and
we've talked about this beforebut it doesn't matter what the
issue is.
If you are pro-Palestine and Iam pro-Israel, you have the
(35:08):
right to your opinion and Isupport your right to talk about
your opinion.
I am not in agreement with you.
However, I support your rightto speak your opinion in a
lawful manner.
Don't you know, start a riot?
Don't you know?
Whatever, we don't have toagree on everything.
We have to agree on most thingsin order to be Republicans.
So I'm not going to sit here andthrow pro-Palestine people and
(35:30):
oh they're, you know.
I mean, you hear it all overTwitter and Facebook and you
know they're calling them namesand it's like look and Facebook,
and you know they're callingthem names and it's like look, I
don't agree with you, but you,you do you.
Okay, I'm, I'm moving on andI'm talking about my viewpoint
and I'm not going to fight withyou about it.
I'm, it's just, we need to getalong or we're going to lose
(35:51):
seats.
We're going to lose seatsfederally.
We're going to lose seats inAustin, and at some point,
civility needs to reign.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Well, I don't think we're quite to that point yet.
Let's follow up on some storiesthat we covered a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Ken Paxton seems to be filing a lawsuit against the
Title IX changes, which, onceagain, I really wish a different
state would take lead on it,because I would like it for the
rights cause to win, and I don'tthink Paxton and his current
crop of D-list attorneys are upfor the challenge.
(36:32):
But people are talking about apossible matchup against John
Cornyn.
Yeah, I read about that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, and Cornyn, yeah, I read about that and
Cornyn's like I'm not worriedabout it.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He shouldn't be at this point.
I think if he wins theleadership challenge and Trump
wins the presidency, then Trumpwill ultimately back Cornyn, Not
Paxton Cornyn.
Trump will back CornynRegardless.
I don't think Cornyn'sdependent on a Trump endorsement
, but if he got it, Paxton wouldjust lose.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let me just say if former President Trump chooses
to endorse, I can speakoccasionally If he chooses to
endorse, Senator.
John Cornyn.
The 2A community is going tolose their collective minds.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
But Trump doesn't care about that kind of thing,
he just cares about.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
He's going to need them.
He's going to need them.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Cornyn's been in leadership in the Senate for a
while and making that machinerun is a task that few are up to
and, depending on how stuffbreaks out, you're going to need
folks to.
Cornyn will be somebody who cando it.
He's one of the folks who cando it.
He's one of the folks who cando it.
(37:56):
So if he's able to win theleadership position and I guess
he'll probably be in December,late November, early December
then I think he'll be fine goinginto the next primary.
But it's too early to tell.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It also depends on if we're still in the majority.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, I'm not saying he'd be majority leader, because
in the minority it's adisability of leadership
generally, but I don't.
Paxton is riding high on thehog right now is riding high on
the hog right now.
(38:38):
I do not know how well he'llstand up to the buzzsaw that is
John Cornyn campaign.
John Cornyn is particularly inhis campaign are pretty, pretty
good.
I mean, they're very good.
So I don't know if he'll beable to withstand that sort of
(38:59):
pressure.
He hasn't had a like Paxton,not Paxton.
George P Bush's campaign wasrun fairly well but it wasn't
like out of this world done welland I think Cornyn will like as
the incumbent, cornyn versusand Cornyn's name isn't George
Bush.
(39:19):
So I think Cornyn running.
Obviously we're more than twoyears out.
Anything can happen, but atthis point I just don't see
Paxton beating Cornynhead-to-head.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I don't know, I mean so if they have to choose.
So I mean I can.
I feel like I can speak togenerally the, the second
amendment crowd.
I cannot speak generally toother coalitions within the
republican party, but the crowd,not fans, and they are very
(40:00):
loud.
So and they still haven'tforgiven him for the.
What is it?
Safer communities, bipartisanobligat.
And now recently Cornyn hasdiscovered, oh gee, there's some
problems with this and so nowhe's trying to fix it and it's
like like we told you this.
But anyway, so I I just kenpaxton is.
(40:27):
I can't think of a reason forthe 2a community to dislike him
and come out against him.
Um, I don't know what the NRAwill do, although I would think
they would tend to.
They tend to endorse the onethat's already in the seat
because they have a record, butwith Ken Paxton being AG, that
(40:52):
may be a bit of a tricky wicketfor them.
So I don't know, we'll yeahwe'll see, uh.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And then also, it looks like caitlin clark is
going to make a lot of moneyfrom an endorsement deal, which
is what I think we talked about.
But I mean, wmba doesn't makeenough very much money, uh, and
loses money, so it was 90 right,yeah, I just have I just have
endorsement deal right now, butit was yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Uh, anyway, it was a sneaker company, but I think it
was nike, and I was like sothrilled when I read this.
I was like, you know, becauseshe deserves, she's a very
talented player and she wants togo play for the wmba and I'm
delighted that somebody came toher and is going to make, you
know, is going to hold her up,as you know, this amazing
(41:44):
athlete that she is.
So it's good for women, it'sgood for women's basketball,
it's good for women's sports.
It's a win, win, win, win, win,win.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
And you know, caitlin , so I think that's all we got
for this week, but we'll be backnext wednesday, unless more
crazy news drops and we have tocome up a little bit early.
But we'll see you next week.
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