Burnout to Overflow: Benita Williams Reveals the True Power of Rest for Leaders

Are you a leader who’s always taking care of others but rarely making time for yourself? In this episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Benita Williams, the “self care surgeon,” to unpack the root causes of burnout, the burden of constant caregiving, and the transformative power of leading from a place of rest and alignment with God’s purpose. Benita shares her personal journey from performance-based exhaustion to supernatural stewardship, revealing how true self care impacts leadership, identity, and lasting success. Tune in if you’re ready to break free from running on empty—and discover what it means to thrive from the inside out.

"The highest form of faith is rest—willful surrender, not forced by circumstance, but chosen from the heart." - Benita Williams

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About Our Guest:

Benita Williams, known as the "Self Care Surgeon," is a leader in the field of self-care, stewardship, and holistic well-being for executives, entrepreneurs, and caregivers. With over twenty years of experience in nonprofit executive management, Benita brings a deep understanding of leadership, responsibility, and the challenges of burnout. Drawing from her journey as a caregiver and her faith-driven approach, she specializes in guiding high-performers to break free from performance-based exhaustion and align with a restorative, purpose-filled life. Benita empowers leaders to thrive by integrating physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health, making her a sought-after expert for those seeking sustainable success and radical alignment with their true calling.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Discover a deeper, faith-based definition of self care as Benita Williams, the “self care surgeon,” reveals how true self care is about radical alignment with God—not just spa days and surface-level fixes.
2. Hear Benita’s powerful personal story of burnout, caregiving, and career shakeups, including the life-changing moment when she realized her pattern of performance-based living was unsustainable.
3. Gain practical tools and mindset shifts for leaders, entrepreneurs, and caregivers to move from relentless self-effort into restful stewardship—plus learn the surprisingly simple yet transformative practices she recommends for intentional rest and holistic well-being.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

Resources Mentioned in this Episode:

1. Benita Williams' Website - benitawilliams.com - Visit Benita’s website to learn more about her coaching, resources, and to schedule an appointment.
2. Spiritual Business Retreats - Benita mentions attending a spiritual business retreat that was pivotal in her journey. While no specific retreat is named, listeners may benefit from seeking out similar faith-based business retreats in their area.

Action Steps for Listeners:

1. Prioritize Rest and Self-Care - Begin by scheduling intentional periods of rest and reflection throughout your day. Try practices such as Benita’s 90/20 rule: work with focused intent for 90 minutes and then take a 20-minute break to recharge.
2. Assess Alignment in Your Life - Evaluate whether your physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual aspects are in harmony. Identify one area that feels out of alignment and brainstorm a small step you can take this week to move closer to balance.
3. Seek Community and Guidance - If you are struggling with burnout or feeling overwhelmed in a leadership or caregiving role, reach out for support. This could be through connecting with a coach like Benita,...

Episode Transcript

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Self-care is literally, the way I defineit is it's being in total alignment, okay?

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In every aspect of your life.
Your physical, your mental, yoursocial, your emotional, your spiritual,
you being in total alignment in allareas of your life at the same time.
Think about that being intotal succinct in harmony.
What would life be like if we werein total succinct, in harmony in
all areas and aspects of our lives?

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Are you leading well but secretlyrunning on empty Today on seek,
go create the leadership journey.
We speak with Bonita Williams,known as the self-care surgeon.
Bonita specializes in helpingleaders break free from
exhausting cycle
of performance-based leadershipand step into a supernatural
flow of stewardship and purpose.

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Through her unique approach, sheempowers entrepreneurs and executives
to lead from a place of rest, renewal,and radical alignment with God's
design for their lives and businesses.
Get ready for an honest conversationabout identity, clarity, and
the real meaning of success.
Benita, welcome to Seat.

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Go create.
Thank you so much, Tim, for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here with you.
I'm glad you're here too.
we almost lit into conversation before wehit record and we were probably about to
say some stuff that we needed to capture.
so anyway, we're recording now.
Let me start off with, the only questionI've prepped you with and, I just told
you about it before we hit record.

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So, would you rather answerwhat do you do or who are you?
Pick it and start.
Wow, that's a interesting questionand I think I'll take the approach
of who am I, reason being, youknow, Jesus had many names.
He was known by many names, youknow, and so a wonderful counselor,

(02:06):
peace, you know, lamb of God course,the Son of God, savior the world.
So I'll take that approach,because I feel like I have.
you know many names to who I am.
so first I'll start off by saying, I'mthe middle daughter of, two, college
sweethearts who fell in love and, weremarried for over 41 years, my mom and dad.

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And so, my mom actually passedaway in 2012 and so, but they had a
beautiful life together and, from thatunion came, you know, three girls.
And so I'm the middle child of three.
but I feel oftentimes that Iam the Joseph of the family.
So, a lot of responsibilitykind of fell on my shoulders.

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And so, I've been.
Kind of playing that role andplaying that part for most of
my life, all my life really.
and so I think I wear it with a badge ofhonor just being able to help my family.
I've always been the one to keep thefamily together and that kind of thing.
So, I would say that, a part of myupbringing really had to deal with that.

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just having to, grow up andhave an old soul, if you will.
I love being around older people andhaving conversations, with older people
because I believe I identify withresponsibility and nurturing and all
the things that come with, adulthood,
I often tell myself or tell other peoplethat I don't feel like I was a typical

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12-year-old, I feel like at 12 I wasprobably more of an adult ready to do
adult things than I should have been.
But that was just the motivationbehind, me, having responsibilities,
taking care of my younger sibling,
And really helping outwith my mom and dad.
anything from finances.
I worked ever since I was 14 years old.

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just always had that, senseof responsibility that
carried on into my adulthood.
outside of that, who am I?
I am definitely, a kingdom ambassador.
you know, Jesus Christis my Lord and savior.
And, I, I came into a, aknowledge and relationship with
Christ at a very young age.
I, again, I was about 14 years old,when I developed my relationship

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with Christ and became saved.
And, you know, of course I've gonethrough, several occasions where,
you know, I have had to, you know, wededicate my life, of course, but that
foundation was laid at an early age, eversince I was a little kid, in, in Sunday
school, my grandmother was always goingwith my grandmother to Sunday school.
I. And I was one ofthose inquisitive kids.

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You know, I always had to ask thequestion, you know, if you tell me the
story about Jonah being swallowed by awhale, well, I wanted to know, you know,
how big was the whale and why, and how didJonah come out alive and all those things.
I was very inquisitive as a young girl,interested in the Bible stories and
things like that, but seeking a deepermeaning, seeking to understand and really

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make a connection even at a young age.
And so I think that kind of, carriedover into, my adulthood as well.
And so today I coined myself theself-care surgeon and, there's
definitely a story behind that.
But, pretty much it just ballsdown to, me acknowledging.
that there's something deeper at the corefor all of us when it comes to self-care.

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It's not this surface level,commercialized thing of self-care,
but it's really at a deep root.
what is really causing, burnout, what isreally causing anxiety and the stress and
the overwhelm and things Then so, I liketo take a surgical approach and really
peel back the layers and get down to theroot cause of what is really driving us
to, having anxiety and panic attacks.

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What's really driving us to.
being overwhelmed and overburdened,you know, and those things.
And especially since I don'tbelieve that God ever intended for
that to be the design of mankind.
Not at all, not one bit.
And so really want to delveinto, you know, why this is
happening, you know, in society.
And then what can we do, especially,Christians in the marketplace?

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What can we do to make sure thatwe're not coming from a place of
burnout, but we're coming from aplace of thriving in Christ and in
the original zone that he has for us.
And so, but I'll also say, Imeant to add as well that I am
a a mother and a wife as well.
I have a bonus daughter.
my husband and I got marriedand it'll be 16 years this year.

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And so, I'm also his caregiver.
he has a significant disability.
And so caregiving has been arole again that I've, I've.
Played the part probably ever since Iwas 14, 15 years old, you know, being
with my grandmother and then my mom whohad a terminal illness and, and now my
husband who has a significant disability.
So in the role of caregiving, ofcourse, burnout and exhaustion and

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overwhelm, all these things come up.
And so I had to understand andrealize that if you don't prioritize
yourself first and foremost, thenyou cannot really be there the way
you need to, to be supportive, forthose that you care and love for.
there was so much good info there.
And the cool thing is, Benita, I hadsome questions along the way that
I was gonna connect and then youstarted connecting some of them, but

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I might dig a little bit more on them
Sure,
and because I heard a lot of cool stuff.
what's interesting about it is, when I domy research on people that I'm gonna be
talking to, I'll either read the book orlisten to some podcasts they've been on,
which is, the easier thing to do nowadays.
And I've listened to you on a fewpodcasts and I've never heard.
Two things that you just brought up then.

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I've never heard that you were amiddle child and maybe I missed it.
Maybe you had shared it
and I
never heard that there was an agethat something significant happened.
And I'll say it's that 14 years old.
I heard you say it two or three timeswhen I kinda let you speak there.
and then I knew that I wanted to ask youabout the caregiver role because I do

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think it's significant in your journey.
And I think it's significant when westart trying to connect that to self-care.
Because many times people thatcare for others do not care.
You know what?
I'm gonna keep saying itthe way I was gonna say it.
They care for others.
They don't care for themselves.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Absolutely correct.

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and, but they won't, they don't admitthat because they feel some, either a
burden or responsibility or whatever.
So my first dig deeper is forthose of us that are the first born
mm-hmm.
in a family.
So we're the first born and I wasthe first born and at least on the

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maternal side of the grandfather,
Okay.
you know,
Yeah.
not on my dad's side, but so I was first,and when I hear people talk about middle
or the youngest, I kind of nod and Igo, yeah, okay, what's the big deal?
'cause I was like the centerof everybody's universe
for this period of time.

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So what do people that are notmiddle children need to know?
And I know we're generalizing,but what do they need to know
about being a middle child?
So I think a lot of, comes to mindfor me is, this proven energy.
interestingly enough,I'm very competitive.
I always had a competitive nature,competitive spirit, and I could just

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talk about myself, but it might be truefor other, middle children as well.
But, for me, very competitive, alwaysseeking attention, because you're
right, the firstborn always gets theattention and then the baby always gets
the attention and the middle kid kindof gets like, left out a little bit.
And so, that was at least my experiencea lot, is that, there were times where I
felt like I needed to carve my own path.

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I needed to, create my own identity.
Make my own identity because,I often felt like I was
overlooked even though I wasn't.
I wanna make that clear.
I wasn't, but it was just my ownperceived, value at the time.
Right.
So, really sought out to carve myown path, make my own way, make my
own decisions, that type of thing.
very strong, headstrong and opinionatedand, very confident as well.

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And I think that the, the middle childis just trying to, again, just to self
identify and stand out, because thefirstborn already has sort of like the
rights, so to speak, the rights, whateverthat may mean or be, in a family you
kind of get first rights and then thebaby is usually left with, you know,
You know, well, they're the last, sothey can, just do whatever they want.

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Nobody cares.
Exactly.
They don't have no discipline.
Nothing like that.
Come on.
oftentimes, you are looking after, thebaby of the family, but at the same time,
I feel like you really have to chartyour own journey, have your own path, and
really create an identity for yourself,as that middle child, to really stand out.
But that's just my story.
so you mentioned thatyou were an old soul.

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You were also curious.
did you feel the need to grow upand perform, at a higher level than,
the older and we're not throwingyour siblings under the bus here.
I hope.
Hope they don't listen.
Podcast interviews,
they go, oh my gosh.
Renita for
throwing
us under.
bus.
'cause reason we, our, ourson who's the youngest,

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mm-hmm.
we refer to him as an old soul.
Mm-hmm.
and,
and,
and he has a seriousness about himthat I think it's nice to say he's
an old soul, but then it's also likehe's a lot more serious about things
Yes.
and we don't know if he carries differentburdens if he thinks, I don't know
what he's thinking, but what is it?
and go ahead and tie it into somethingthat occurred when you were 12 to 14.

(11:32):
That obviously was when youreally became aware of that.
'cause you mentioned it
Yes, absolutely.
So I do believe, to answer yourquestion, that, there is, this level of
seriousness, really seeking, to, knowwho you are to come into identity, to
understand more about, The dynamicsof family, understanding the dynamics
of how you fit in a family and whatis your contribution to family.

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I will say that, ourfamily's very tight knit.
we grew up very close,very tight knit family.
And so we always werelooking after one another.
It was my responsibility literallyto look after my younger sister.
my older sister and I, there'slike nine or 10 years apart, so
she was kind of like not around.
And so I did step into that roleand kind of became, the older

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sister looking after the younger.
and I just took that as aresponsibility that I had.
And so at 14, I gave my life to Christ.
It was because I was on a quest.
I was searching to know more about, Someof the things I experienced as a child,
growing up I had a very strong, what I nowknow was a prophetic calling on my life.
didn't know it at the time, being youngand in the church, the church that I grew

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up in, we didn't really talk a lot about,the prophetic and that kind of thing.
And so I, there were things goingon with me that I really didn't know
what to do about and how to handle.
I would get dreams and visionsand I would see things, before
they happen and stuff like that.
And so I wanted to understandmore about what was that, you
know, and how do I handle it?

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How do I navigate?
So, at the age of 14, I justremember, it was one Friday
night and I had made a decision.
Actually, I could have gone withsome friends, and I decided to
go to a prayer meeting instead.
So, I did that as a Friday night,and, that night is when I gave my
life to the Lord, for the first time.
And so, it was a very, just a moment intime that sealed kind of like, you know,

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this path that I'm on now, you know?
And kind of laid the foundation and so I.From that time forward, you know, in my,
during my college years, I rededicatedmy life to Christ, you know, and in my
young twenties, I went on and encounter apowerful encounter that really changed the
trajectory of, you know, this Christianwalk and what this really meant for me.
And so why I am here, you know?

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now talking about self-care during thatencounter, I remember just feeling very
exhausted and, overwhelmingly exhausted.
I was a young wife.
I was married, to my ex-husband,who has since passed on.
God rest his soul, but he hada significant disability as
well, and I was his caregiver.
So I'm in my young twentiesand we are, dealing with,

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terminal illness at that time.
and I didn't really understand howmuch it would have taken a toll on me.
And so I went to thisencounter and, I just remember.
surrendering to God,like, just God, here I am.
I'm overwhelmed with the burden, ofbeing a caregiver and all the duties of
a wife and this and that, and I just,I'm just laying it all, at your feet.

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just surrendering myself.
And it was in that moment that Iheard God say something to me and
he said, I just want you to rest.
I just, I want you to rest.
And I heard it so clearly, Tim.
I heard it so clearly Rest,it was just so out of the box.
Like
What is that?
What is rest?
and so simplistic at the same time.

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but again, my analytical nature isalways like kind of find the meaning
and dig further and find out whatdoes that really mean exactly.
that kind of began my journey ofthis whole thing of resting in God.
and it would evolve into themessage that I carry today.
rest is literally a gift from God.
It's what he says, Come unto him all heor a heavy lady and I will give you rest.

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that's a real statement.
and that's what he desires for his people.
And so, I come to understand thatrest is something that is a gift
from God that not many of us arereally having the benefit of.
We don't really understand it,the benefits rest and why it's
so important to self-care.
Well, I obviously you were not going tocall yourself at 14 the self-care surgeon.

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and this is another thing.
This is one of the things I tryto pick up on, and if I make too
much of this, you let me know.
But you've mentioned caregiver,I lost count of how many people
you have been caregiver for.
And I think it's four tofive if I'm counting right.
And there may be more.
I think this is like one of themost important things to really
begin with, to kind of start going,moving towards the self-care surgeon.

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But most people don't equate.
Caregiving to self care.
Usually it's a pour out everythingto other people first, and then if
something's left over, maybe, andI've seen it from my wife, just so you
know, I haven't lived it 'cause I'mthat firstborn child and I haven't,

(16:25):
Right.
I haven't cared for anyone.
I only care for myself.
Right.
Come on.
No, I don't need the self care 'causeI've been doing that my whole life.
But no, my, yeah, but my, my, youknow, so my wife's kinda unique
in that with her father's firstmarriage, she was the youngest with
his second marriage, she was the.

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Oldest and then, and then also the middle.
So she kind of had all of that going.
and then her parents went through divorceand all that again, so she always had
this perform to keep everybody happy.
And then she moved into caregiverrole with her mother, even when
her mother kind of didn't needcare, but she kind of, their roles
reversed and all this kind of stuff.
So I've seen it and I've seen whatit looks like for someone to be

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burdened with the office of caregiving.
And, there's guilt that comes into it.
I think there's a spiritualaspect to it also that we might,
could unpack a little bit.
And all of this kind of comes inand then I think it causes someone
to really think I'm doing somethingfor God and he's gonna take care of

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it, but we're, I think we might bedoing it for other reasons, maybe.
So all of that, I just said a bunch ofstuff, so you take whatever you want
and refute it or agree with it and keep
going.
No, absolutely.
You're spot on.
Actually.
this is a discovery, thisis a path, a journey.
So it's not a quick fix.
It's not an overnight success.

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It's not something that you arrivedto add and then like all of a
sudden you got it figured out.
No, this is a journey.
It's a course.
And so, what I understand aboutit, to this point, to this degree,
is that we do, we carry a burden,
A need to be needed, so to speak.
You know, there's this need to be needed.
And, I identified with that earlyon in my life, I realized that, part

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of why I am in a caregiving roleis because I permitted it, right?
It's something I permitted.
So I had to dig down and reallyunderstand, well, why am I permitting it?
You know, what is it giving me?
You know, what is this actually givingme, that I'm either enjoying or that I
feel secure in, or that I find safetyin, or whatever the case may be.
And so when I dig down deeper, Irealized that I had a need to be needed.

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And so that's what was driving,that was the motivator and the
motivating force behind why, Istepped into the caregiving roles.
And so, but I had to kind ofreexamine my life and say, well,
what would this look like if Ididn't have that need to be needed?
You know, and why, what am Ifeeling insecure about in my
own self and my own identity?
As to why I feel like I needthe validation of others, I

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need to feel like I'm needed byothers and that kind of thing.
And so that kind of led me down a path anda journey to understanding what's at the
core of that, what's at the root of that.
So, yeah, I just wannafast forward a little bit.
So where I, my breakingpoint was actually, in 2014.
It was right after mymom had, gone to Glory.
part of my role was that Iwas in, nonprofit executive

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management for over 20 years.
So being in the nonprofit sector, ofcourse, any type of human service,
role that you play, you see thepattern just continue to play out.
Even in my professional career, insome way, shape or form, I'm advocating
or, caring for the needs of others,looking after others and caring for
their needs, typically before my own.
And so that played out in myprofessional life as well.

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For over 20 years.
I was an executive directorin a nonprofit organization.
And so, a lot of the,work came home with me.
I took a lot of the work home.
And so, it was one day when Iwas getting ready for, a business
retreat, actually, ironically.
And, one of my coworkers came intothe office and she kind of like
just stood in my doorway and she'slike, Hey, are you feeling okay?

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I was like, yeah, I feel great.
Why?
You know?
And she was like, well, you, you don'tlook like you're, you're feeling great.
And I was like, what do you mean?
And so I took out a mirror and justsort of like looked at myself and
I was literally unrecognizable.
I did not recognize myself.
I did not recognize my reflection inthe mirror because, half of my face
had literally lost all muscle mask.

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And, half of my face was drooping.
I didn't feel it, there was nosensation behind it or anything like
that, but I definitely realized thatsomething wasn't right, you know, that
there was definitely something wrong.
And so from that point, I endedup going to the emergency room.
And that began a year long processof literally understanding that
I had hit a wall of burnout.
there would be series of tests, seriesof, you know, going to the doctor.

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I had to come outta work.
So my whole life literally got turnedupside down in that one moment.
And because of that, I understood,you know, at that point that.
I could never go back to doing life theway that I had been doing it because
I literally was neglecting myself.
I put everybody and everythingelse on the front burner and I
literally was on the back burner.

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And I just did not know, I was notaware, of how to be kind to myself.
And it was in that moment again thatI heard that whisper, that voice
from God saying, I need you to rest.
I just, I want you to rest.
So here's a recurring themenow that's going on in my life.
and God often speaks in patterns.

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He often speaks in patterns.
And so here I am again approachedwith this identity of, or this
ideal of rest and what that is.
And so I understood that I neededto understand that in order to
navigate this dark path of change,I have to get down deeper to.
How do I get this restthat God has for us?
What is this really all about?

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and there began my journey honestly to,what I've come into now, which is the
self-care surgeon and understanding moreabout God's rest for us and why it's so
necessary and so important regardlessof the roles that you play, regardless
of the patterns you know, that, that arein your life or the hats that you wear.
there is a rest for all of us, andGod has it for us, and we just have

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to be mindful of how we can tap intoit, how we can stay in it, how we can
flow in it, and literally how we cansteward well that which he has given
us because it is actually stewardship.
It's a stewardship principle, thatI've come to understand about rest.
there's so much there.
I'm watching my time 'causeI want us to move into,

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we'll
call it post 2014 and some of thethings you've learned, but I wanna
spend just a couple of minutes
on
pre 2014 because we'vegot leaders listening in.
We've got leaders in ministry and businessand some of them might be going and this
theory is becoming, I think, less thana theory and more of a hardened truth.

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And that is that as smart as we allare, some of us that are coaches and
we are
spiritually advanced, we think, andblah, blah, blah, all this kind of
stuff, we know that we need to rest.
God told you a few timesthat you need to rest.
God told you, Bonita, I hate tohammer that, but God told you.

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And if you're not gonna listen toGod, who are you gonna listen to?
But yet we don't make the changes untilwhat I call a catalytic event occurs.
Absolutely.
know, for us, 2008, the financialdownfalls, kind of what God said,
oh, now I can get your attention.
It sounds like for you 2014, you werealmost having a stroke-like symptoms,

(23:50):
sitting in your office of all places,and a friend or a coworker had to
come in and say, something's not rightwith you, and you didn't even know it.
Unaware.
So first of all, I want to ask whyis it that we fool ourselves in
thinking we've got our act together.
Mm-hmm.
and kind of secondarily, I want you totalk about leaders that are leading in

(24:16):
the pre 2014 mindset that you were leadingin, because in a little while we're
gonna talk about how we should be leading
now.
But anyway,
Absolutely does.
Yes.
Absolutely.
All right.
So, and thank you for that.
So, just to go back to pre 14 again, itcomes from, it stems from this, this idea

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of self effort, this idea of performancemanagement, this idea of, I, I got it.
I can handle it, you know, again,from my childhood all the way up.
It was this responsibility that Ihad, this overarching responsibility,
whether self-induced or not,whether induced by environment.

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It doesn't matter.
It still was a pattern.
It became a pattern for me, for the waythat I carried out and conducted my life.
It was that I'm in charge, I'm in control.
I have to have this responsibility.
I have to take care of everything.
and that morphed into this,performance mentality.
I can never break down,I have to be strong.

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I have to be the one to carry the load.
I put the way I, I, I, me, me, me, me,me, me, I, I, I. and I really believe
that that is the catalyst of what,drives this motive of self effort and
self, producing and all the selfs.
You know, all of the thingsthat come along with, effort.
And I believe that's the rootof where burnout and exhaustion

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and overwhelm and the stress andanxiety and everything comes from.
And I believe what God is tellingus is that there is a more excellent
way we don't have to have these self,efforts and these self-promoting or
self, performance mechanisms in place.
there is a more excellent way,and it's the way of stewardship,

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understanding that, what we'veaccumulated, is really not our own.
It belongs to God.
And that's the first thing, beingable to let go of what's mind.
Mine, mine, mine.
And I, I, I, I, I, we belong to God.
And then everything in the earthbelongs to God and the fullness thereof.
So we understand that we own nothing.

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It all belongs to God, and he is allowingus and permitting us to be able to steward
well that which he's giving unto us.
And so it's really about self effortversus stewardship, or what I wanna
call ownership versus stewardship.
Yeah.
Love that.

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We talk about that a lot.
one quick question though that I wannaask about your role, and this is a
trick question, I'll go ahead andtell you right up front, it's gonna
be one that you're gonna go, Ooh,I wonder how I should answer that.
mind right now.
Yeah.
I'm an engineer from Georgia Tech, so I'mtrying to do, do you think that knowing

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what you know now, that you really were.
as good at what you were doing pre 2014as you really thought you were, because
I'm sure you got your promotions, youwere an executive, you were running the
show, people were coming to you, you wereawesome, but were you really that good?
I mean, obviously you were a time bomb.

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There was a ticking time bomb goingon, but tell me about some things.
I mean, and I don't even know ifyou could think of exact decisions.
You know, when you think you're, you'rethe owner and if it's, if it is to me,
it's, if it is to be, it's up to me.
Benita, I'm the one
Right.
versus what you know now,which is rest and release.
So were you really that good or were you

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not?
here's the question here.
Was I really in that muchof control or was I not?
And the answer to that is a resounding no.
No, I wasn't as in controlas I thought I was.
And really that's what it boils down to,Tim, it's not really about anything else.
It's not the performance, it'snot the numbers, it's not the

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profitability and the projectability.
It's really about control.
Was I really in control as much as Ithink I would like to have been, and
the answer to that is no, not at all.
Not at all.
I could tell you that because in 2019,I actually, left the company not by
my own will and my own choice, but Iactually had no other choice but to leave.

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And it just, showed me how much I wasnot in control as I thought that I was.
and things like thathappen in life, right?
you think that you're in controlone minute and the next minute, you
know, the rug comes and just kindof sweep the rug out from under your
feet and you're left on the floor.
Like, what just happened?
And so that's what it's like.
But it's a wake up call for us tounderstand who's really in control.

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Who's really in control, you know?
And when we can surrender ourown, perspective of control
and self-control and like comefrom, come out of self-control
into willful surrender, right?
Willful surrender,that's an important word.
Not just surrender because there arethings of life that can happen to
you that will cause you to surrender.

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But what I'm talking about is we canget to a place in God where there
is willful surrender, where it isdone not as a consequence, like in
my case and in your case, right.
But it's done as, as a. Anacknowledgement and awareness that
God, all that I have belongs to you,
Hmm.

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apart from you, I'm nothing.
it's a willful surrenderand, a posture of our heart.
And when we can get into thatheart posture of surrender, there
are miracle signs and wonders.
There's a supernatural overflow ofGod that will be unleashed, that we
won't have home enough to receive.

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And that's really the message thatI bring today, is that we literally
can go from toiling and self effortand striving to this place of
supernatural overflow abundancemore than enough with less effort.
If we come into this posture, thisheart posture of surrender, the

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highest form of faith is rest.
Yeah.
And it's hard.
It's so hard for achievers to get that.
What's interesting, you mentioned youwere for one year, in the hospital.
I think you were probably a caregiverat that time and typically someone
in the hospital can't be a caregiver'cause everybody else is having to care.

(30:40):
Then I'm, I'm guessing,
and
we don't want to go here 'cause I'm gonna,I wanna move on, but I'm guessing that
it wasn't immediately willful surrender.
It was probably like you were fightingit, surrender, but eventually it
became
willful.
Oh, I had no choice inthat, in that, scenario.
It was not a willful surrender.
It was definitely a forced surrender.

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Yeah.
So everything I knew about my life hadtotally changed overnight, and the things
that I was once, you know, in controlof, I thought I was in control of.
I totally out of my hands, literally tothe time that I wake up in the morning,
to the time that I go to bed at night, tome, operating a vehicle, to me preparing
meals for my family, for me taking careof other people, I had to surrender all

(31:25):
of that, everything that I had known,you know, not being able to work a job.
I mean, it was like night and day,completely different, but I had to learn
how to navigate this dark path of change.
It's almost like wrestling withthe angel like Jacob did when
he wrestled with the angel.
And he said, I won't turnyou loose until you bless me.
But when he came out of that moment,he came out with a limp, right?

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The Bible, his name was changed fromJacob Israel, but he had a limp,
which was a reminder, a constantreminder that he had wrestled.
And so, I will literally say that my body,I know my body so well now, I'm so in
tune, in sync with it until I'll get thoselittle messages, those little like mm-hmm.
When I've over exerted myself or whenI'm not in rest, or when I'm not, really

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fully surrendered, I will get thoselittle nudges and taps on the shoulder
saying, don't go back into that self,imposed self effort and self control.
don't do that.
Was there a physical diagnosisof what you went through or
was it just stress related?
Do you still have a limp?
I mean, for those that arelistening, they're watching video.
Your face is beautiful so you don'thave half your face sagging right now.

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Beautiful smile and all that.
But um, was there anything physical?
The reason I bring it up is that,
mm-hmm.
let's see, Alicia, Michelle is anepisode that either released maybe
right before you or after you wentthrough a physical challenge in 2017.
We've had so many
that have
gone through situations and thereis often a physical diagnosis, but

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most will say in all likelihoodit was stress related or inflamed
or induced or something like that.
What, real quickly, what was there
physical aspect?
Yeah.
so, absolutely.
So, it was first diagnosedas seizure disorder.
but then later on after, again, anumber of tests and things, there
is this, condition called, and it'sa long word, so I'm trying to make

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sure I enunciate, correctly, butit's Hemi, he speral facial spasms.
So it's facial spams of ahemisphere, if you will.
That doesn't sound good.
That doesn't sound good
That doesn't sound good at all.
No, and it's like where the nerves justkind of spazz out in the back of, the
brain that connects the neck part andit just kind of, yeah, goes on this
little spazz out tarn and so interesting.

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that's what it was known, butit was definitely triggered.
There are triggers for thator to that and stress being of
course, number one up there.
Alright, so,
so
so let's fast forward.
You continued workingin that nonprofit world.
It's real interesting, I noticeda lot of people that are in
nonprofit and kinda caregiving.
There's this aspect of giving.

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but now you're in this role where wewill call you the self-care surgeon
and tell me a little bit about that.
'cause that makes you move from workingfor someone else, which has its own
issues to now sort of working foryourself and then working with others
that are high performers, executives,leaders, and all the people that listen

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in here, by the way, for the most part.
So talk about that transitionand what that was like,
because that could be kind of
stressful also.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Entrepreneurship, welcome to theworld of, of even more stress, right?
so, yeah.
what happened, is afterI, I guess back in 20.
16, 20 17, after I, I was on thisjourney again of, of self-healing,

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like learning about my body, beingin tune with, you know, what the
self-care looked like for me.
It's different for each individual person,but how can I become more aware of the
warning signs of burnout and thingslike that as it pertains to myself.
while I'm seeking knowledge andinformation to help me, to guide me,
what I realized is that my goodness,there may be other people out there
that are experiencing and goingthrough some of the same things.

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And some of the things that I waslooking for at the time that I was
going through, I did not find, like Iwas seeking, you know, wise counsel.
I was trying to, you know, find anycoaches or someone that could help me.
I did not wanna go into, you know,the medical spectrum, if you will,
and be labeled and diagnosed and allthese things and go down that path.
So I was always looking for somethingthat was more holistic, something

(35:28):
that was more, catered to, tomy beliefs and things like that.
But I didn't find that connection.
And so I realized thatwhat God had given me.
This process of how Ican renew, and refocus.
how I can come into rest.
I realized that that wassomething that would be beneficial
for other people as well.
So in 2017, I was, Iwas on a business trip.

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I went to a, a business retreat.
They call it a, a spiritualbusiness retreat, literally.
And so, while I was there, again, justlaying humbled before God and praying
to him about what is my next direction?
What is my next step?
And I literally heard himtell me that, destination, he
gave me the word destination.
So it's like destinationwith a R Destination.

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And so, and, and rest the nationis, this is this point of where
divine purpose meets dominion Rest.
It's, it's where you come togetherand realize, you know, that there
is a way that seems right, butthat way leads to destruction.
And so you want to.
Chart the more excellent path,you know, the more excellent way.

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And so, you can literally bringtogether, what I call faith in
business can literally coexisttogether, and live together in harmony.
And so, that's wherethat was birthed from.
And so from there, I just, you know, Iwas working a business on part-time on the
side, and, I was in the nonprofit sectorstill until 2019 when I, again, not of my

(36:56):
own doing, but circumstances and thingshappened, which caused me to, no longer
be with that particular organization.
And I just went full timeinto what guy had given me.
And I've been doing this ever since.
so God gave you a coupleyears to get ready
Yes.
and then, you know, some people say,oh, I don't think God took her out
of that job To me, I'm listening in.

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It was time
It was
and it wasn't fun because, youknow, this is the big deal.
Let's go and call it out like it is
Yeah.
to get a paycheck every
To
get learned everythingI needed to learn there.
So he literally told me like,now is the time you've learned
everything you needed to learn there.
Yeah.
And, and you know what, we can get kindof comfortable getting a paycheck every

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two weeks versus all of a sudden, inyour new organization, entrepreneurship,
you may not get a paycheck
every two weeks.
Right.
Not at all.
No.
There is definitely some seeds to be sown.
Yeah, and the thing about it is thatthat's where the trust and the, and I

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think that's where that surrender forme, because I get comfortable in certain
situations and oddly enough, I've just.
Taken a role that would becalled a job at 61 years old.
And I was telling my wife, I said,this is gonna be interesting 'cause
I haven't had a quote unquote job.
it's with a great friend and a client anda great company that I've been working

(38:19):
with as a coach for five years, but
wow.
I've taken a, a sort of a job andI haven't had a job since 1996.
So it's like, we'llsee how this works out.
I'll get back with you on that.
I'm sure it'll go great.
but, it's real interesting that thatshift, Benita, so you're working now.
what, how would you define, the idealor the avatar that you work with now?

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What does it
like?
What type people?
Yeah, so now it's definitely,it's shifted actually quite a few
times, since I began back in 2017.
most recently it's definitely dealingwith the leaders who identify with
doubt, who identify with self effort, whowant more than just, to make a living.

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But they wanna make an impact,but they want to do it without
the consequence of burnout.
they really want to be more influential,but they want to do it without
the consequence, again, of stressand overwhelm and anxiety wanna
come out of the performance based.
system and into more of astewardship based system.
Those are the leaders, thoseare the CEOs, the founders

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that I'm looking to work with.
There is a message fromGod I truly believe.
and it has to deal with overflow and usreally stepping into the overflow of God.
You know, the more than enough,the having more with less effort.
there is a real place in God where wecan experience those things, and we
should be experiencing those thingson a much higher rate than we are.

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as a body of believers.
And so I just believe that God ispreparing us, preparing our hearts to
receive more, but to steward well thatwhich he has given unto us in this time.
Right.
I'm curious, are you working
mm-hmm.
with people that are wantingto not go through situations

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like you and I and others have?
Are they get, are they ahead of thatcurve or are you seeing people that
have gone through it and they needhelp to kinda keep moving through it?
What are you seeing more of in your
people
that
are attracted to you?
Yeah, so I'm seeing more of the latter.
Something has already happened.
Darn.

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hoping that people,
I was hoping people would learn
from
our mistakes.
I know, right?
you think about society, you thinkabout, the younger generations
now are experiencing more stressand burnout and anxiety and
overwhelmed than thought imaginable.
I mean, it's off the charts withyounger generations experiencing,
voluntary, absenteeism or, mental healthand all these other things that are

(40:57):
going on, which is costing businessesbillions of dollars, by the way.
Right?
And so, yeah, this is definitely,the pandemic showed improved.
just how much we are engulfed in, thisburnout and this exhaustion, society as a
whole just being burnt out and exhausted.
And how do we bounce back from that?
How do we really recalibrate?

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You know, and come into, more of analignment, what I like to call an
alignment with God's design and hiswill for our life and how he purposed
us to really experience, overflow andsupernatural abundance and grace and
the favor and all the things we talkabout, but rarely are we achieving that?
and, you know, seeing it in droves.
And so that's the message I come with.

(41:40):
let's, in our time, we have left here,10, 15 minutes, something like that.
I would really like to, 'cause we'vehad a great, we've kind of gotten to
this place where now I want us to talkabout maybe some practical things.
And the first thing that I wanna do isI wanna overcome this perception that
some of us might have about self-care.

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Because self-care is a wordin our culture that gets used
for a lot of different things.
And some people might say, oh yeah,you just need to get a therapist.
And some people may, some peopleyou've mentioned you didn't
want to go down a medical route.
Some people may need to do that.
I like more natural and different thingslike that, and I would be one Benita.

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So I'm gonna have you convince me maybea little bit as a, I would be one that
I would sort of poo poo self-care.
It's like, come on, that soundslike, oh man, you gonna just gonna go
get a therapist and get a mani-pedievery other week and, you know, maybe
a massage or something like that.
Right.
with that snarky cynicalprep for you, tell

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me how you define self-care.
Absolutely.
First of all, I say self-care isessential to peak performance.
For people like you and me,high achievers, go getters, go
givers, all the things, right?
Self, performance is, is, ishigh on our, on our list, right?
We're always seeking ways thatwe can perform better, and,

(43:08):
and get more out of ourselves.
And so what I say is, self-careis essential to peak performance.
If you want peak performance.
You cannot achieve peakperformance without self-care.
Alright?
That's first and foremost.
And self-care is literally,the way I define it is it's
being in total alignment, okay?
In every aspect of your life.
Your physical, your mental, yoursocial, your emotional, your spiritual,

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you being in total alignment in allareas of your life at the same time.
Think about that being intotal succinct in harmony.
What would life be like if we werein total succinct, in harmony in
all areas and aspects of our lives?
At the same time.
And I truly believe that that is, alevel in God that he wants us to achieve.

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I believe that that'swhere he wants us to go.
As leaders, as founders, as caregivers,whatever your role is, I believe that
there is this, again, this more excellentway, this path, to, to total wellbeing
and to total health and wholeness.
And it begins with self-care.
It's being able to identify, with thoseareas of your life that is not quite

(44:14):
in alignment with where God would haveyou, and really surrendering those
areas of control, to God and allowinghim to come in and help us to get his
perspective on what it truly means tolive in total wellness our bodies as a
temple, our mindsets, our careers, ourfamilies, all these are gifts from God.

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How are we stewarding?
Well, what he has given us,rest again is essential.
I believe that rest is the highest formof faith, our total trust in God to
receive from him what he has for us.
And I believe that's where it starts.
So Benita this, this I think mightbe my last cynical question, and
then we'll do something different.

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Part of me, I actually have thishyper optimistic and hyper pessimistic
sometimes living inside me.
I don't know if it's like, youknow, the angel on each shoulder
where one looks like the devilwith a pitchfork and the other one
looks like, Michael, the archangel.
part of me would ask a follow upquestion to say, do we really think

(45:17):
that that total harmony and alignmentis possible in this natural realm?
We live in this side of whatever,you know, if it's heaven or whatever.
do we really think that's possible?
And if so, let's start talking aboutsome practices, maybe things that

(45:37):
we can do to get to that place.
if it's something we're just almostalways getting to, that's fine because
I think most people need to get closerthan they are now to whatever that is.
Right?
So,
so
start taking us down that path.
great question.
And I would say yes to that.
It is a journey.
However, I think what we are lookingfor in society is the quick fixes.

(45:59):
We want the overnight, winsthe overnight successes.
We want the one time deals and theneverything is good right from here on out.
It doesn't work that way.
It is definitely a process.
It is a posture, what I call a divinesequence, if you will, divine sequence to
receiving the overflow of God to receivingthe more than enough the all that he
has, and I truly believe that there is,a way that we can journey that path, that

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we can be on the path to achieve that.
That's the thing.
you gotta be willing, first of all,acknowledging and being willing to
surrender to saying, you know what?
I'm not in control.
I don't have it all figured out.
I don't know, all the thingsor whatever the case, but I'm
willing to surrender, to learn.
I'm willing to surrender to God whowill help me to understand and come

(46:43):
into, this knowledge and wisdom.
Solomon asked for it.
You think about it in the Bible,Solomon, what he asked for.
He didn't ask for riches.
He didn't ask for, money and things likethat, he said, God, I need your wisdom.
I need your wisdom.
I need your knowing.
I need your insights.
Or insights, okay?
As to, as to how to lead thesepeople, right As a leader,

(47:03):
how to lead these people.
And what he was literally asking was,God, I need you to show me how to
steward well that what you have given me.
Stewardship is a gift.
It's a gift from God.
It's not something that weautomatically come into and no,
you don't automatically know how tosteward all that God has for you.
But he said, seek you first.
The king of God is righteousness.
And then all these things will be added.

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Why seek you first?
Because we need the wisdom.
We need the know how from God inorder to steward what he's given.
So yes, the answer to your questionis yes, there is definitely a
way, there's a path to this.
but how we go about it iswe seek his wisdom on it.
We understand that, you know, Romewas not built in a day, as they say.

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with this, there are definitely, hillsand valleys, there are gonna be times
of surrender and times of we recognizeand identify we haven't surrendered.
Right.
And then how do we do that?
So there's definitely a divine processand a flow, and, that's part of
why I'm here to share this message.
That's good.
So, I love the referenceto Matthew 6 33 too.
That's like a foundationalscripture for me,

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Mm-hmm.
that Seek first did a bigstudy on the Kingdom of God.
Yes.
All right.
You mentioned something earlierabout being in tune with your body
and what's going on, and obviouslygoing back to pre 2014, you weren't,
No, not at all.
tell me I am better.
I.

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Now at that than I once was.
I'm monitoring how well I rest and sleep.
if I feel a little bit of a something,I'll try to allow it to recover and heal.
I'll try to be mindful of mymood and mindset and attitude and
what's going on with the little,digestion and parts of my body.
tell me more about how, like, kind ofspecific, how are you in tune with your

(48:50):
body that other people might need to know?
'cause I kind of get the feelingyou teach people that some, so
tell me a little bit more about
because I think that's really important.
Absolutely.
I believe that, again, awareness is key.
I believe that awareness, if you're aware,then you can start to make change, right?
You can only make change ofwhat you become aware of.
And so I think awarenessis where it begins.

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And so it's really becoming, Justquieting the noises in your life, the
distractions in your life, really cominginto, a spiritual awareness, first of
all, I can, I can honestly say that in thestillness and the quietness in my times
with God in my prayer and in my, my timesof meditation are in my times of just
sitting quiet, sitting still before himis where things get revealed the most.

(49:35):
It's how things become revealed the most.
And so, even as it pertains to myhealth, even as it pertains to my mindset
and my mental agility and things likethat, when I connect and tune in with
the spirit of God, when I silence thenoise and I tune out every distraction,
and I'm in this place and position ofposture and rest with God, that's when

(49:56):
things start to become clear to me.
That's where the clarity begins.
For not just my physical, but my mental,my emotional, my social, my spiritual,
all aspects begin to come in alignment.
It's like you build an altar and you layyourself prostrate at the altar, and then
he's able to take literally, all the caresof the world away so that you can tune

(50:18):
in directly and have that one-on-one timewith him, and he'll reveal to you the
things that may be causing, the strifein your life or the stress in your life,
or the overwhelm and things like that.
And so when you come out of that, youreally get an understanding and awareness,
like, wow, you know, I need to drink morewater, or I need to, you know, be able to,

(50:38):
what I call intentional rest throughout myday, take periods of time and really step
away from the hustle and bustle and thegrind, and really get back in alignment.
Allow yourself to readjust andget realigned with God's spirit.
Be able to be in tune,stay in that posture.
that takes work.
But you can get into a rhythm,where you can have active rest

(51:01):
cycles, and intentional rest cycles,where throughout your day you're
taking these intentional pauses andyou're just getting in realignment.
You know, you get in realignment withGod and hearing from him and being
able to move according to that rhythm,
Yeah, I think that's one of the thingswe, tried to do before we hit record.
I said, Hey listen, let'spause and take a second.

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It's on my notes to do it.
Mm-hmm.
other habits or practices beforeI ask my final few questions?
Just maybe a good little practical habitor tip that can really help somebody
Yes, I would say, recognizethe warning signs early.
looking back now, I can seethat there were definitely
some warning signs, for me.

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if you have no off switch, ifyou're always constantly on go mode.
we weren't designed tobe on goal 24 7, right?
We were designed to, to again, have aoff switch, to be able to switch off.
So if you're carrying your work home,for example, don't carry your work home,
really set boundaries, for yourselfand give yourself time and space to,

(52:07):
come away from the day-to-day work.
I practice a formula called the 90 20rule, where I'll work on focus work for
90 minutes, and then I'll break away anddo 20 minutes of non-focused activity.
But you do the 90 20, you workhard, for 90 minutes, and then
you break away for 20 minutes.
that way it gives your brain a rechargebecause your brain is one of the largest

(52:28):
organs that uses up the most energy,you need to definitely recharge your
brain multiple times throughout the day.
the 90 20 rule has been reallypractical, for me in my life.
What,
that as well.
what's your favorite?
20? What?
Is it something that you really dig doing
that 20 minutes?
I am a writer.
I'm a scribe for Jesus, if you will.
So taking that time is still in the way.

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And journaling, writing thingslike that for me, is beneficial.
I love walking.
I'll take walks, you know, nature,just kind of getting reacclimated
with, the sense and awareness ofthe moments that are going on.
Unplugging from technology and reallyjust being present in the moments.
it could be, Journaling or, coloring.
I've heard that some people like to color,they like to take out a coloring book

(53:11):
and just, color and do things like that.
Whatever kind of disconnects you from thatfocus work, that hardcore focus work and
just kind of puts you more in the mindsetof creativity and imagination and play and
that kind of thing is what you wanna do.
Yeah.
Interesting.
my wife has done that.
She actually has a, something on her
iPad
that she could doodleand color and all that.

(53:32):
Crochet and I'll do, yeah.
Make patterns anddifferent things like that.
So anything like that that'll allowyou to tap into your creative juice.
Yeah, I've, I've got one more,what I'll call an exclamation point
question, but before I do Benita, telleverybody how they can find you, how
they could work with you, or if, ifsomeone says, Hey, I'd just like to
follow up and talk to you or something.

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Tell everybody how they can do that.
We'll include it down in notesand all that, but give that
to
everybody.
I've got one more questionwe'll finish up with.
Absolutely.
Yes.
So you can reach [e-mail].
It's just my name, bonita williams.com.
And you can go there, toschedule an appointment with me.
I'd love to chat with you.
if anything about, you know, burnout, youknow how you can get, more out of yourself

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without, you know, with less work andless effort, anything about stewardship
or even just tapping into the overflow,I believe that there's definitely an
overflow, a supernatural abundanceof God that he has for all of us.
And I'm here to help you, with that.
So benita williams.com.
All right, we'll include all that.
All right.
Here's my final, this is, I'm gonnacall this an exclamation point.

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I want you to speak directly to aspecific group, and I believe that there
are many people out there who mightfeel trapped in the role of caregiver.
Hmm.
They believe that they're eithercaring for a parent, child, spouse,
someone else, and we may even havesomething like that in our title that

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might attract them to this episode.
So, Benita, I want you to take,20, 30, 60 seconds, whatever.
And I would love for you to encouragesomeone who is feeling overwhelmed
or trapped in that role of caregiver,especially since you were wired that way.
You probably still are, you'restill caregiving, but you've sort
of, aligned and harmonized with itmight be a best way of saying it.

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so speak directly tosomeone who might be trapped
in, in caregiving.
Absolutely.
Thank you again.
First of all, Tim, for your time today.
I really, really thoroughlyenjoyed our time together.
So to the leader that'swearing all the hats, because
caregiving is a hat, it's a role.
I will say to you, to be kind to yourself,first and foremost, be kind to yourself.

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God loves you, and he charged us tolove our neighbors as we love ourselves.
So the first rule ofthat Is to love yourself.
Listen to your body.
you don't have to besuper man or super woman.
we have a savior who loved usso much that he saved the world.

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He saved us.
And so we can rely on his strength,we can draw from his source, we can
draw from his energy, we can draw fromhis spirit, and we can be refreshed.
We can be restored, we can be renewed.
I will say that our bodiesare the temple of the Lord.
And so if we're gonna house the temple ofthe Lord, we're gonna house Holy Spirit.

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We have to be mindful how weshepherd, how we steward, our bodies.
And so I would just invite you to becomeaware, to let go of the shame and the
guilt, of whatever you may be feeling.
And to really allow God who is alreadyin control, To take the lead and

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orchestrate your life, your plan,it's already been planned out and
you're simply just walking the path.
And so just rest inthat, that God has you.
And that he has, you on his heartand he's put people in place, such
as myself, to help you along thisjourney, to be kind to yourself.
Thank you, Benita.

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I appreciate that.
Benita Williams, the self-care surgeon,this has been a great conversation and
it's kind of hit upon a theme here at Seat
create
we've had for a number of episodes.
And I might even start including thelinks to kind of, you almost do a
masterclass in some of these topics.
So, make sure you go check outBenita, go to her website, take a

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look at all that she's done, and,I know it'll be a blessing to you.
We're seek go create here.
We've got new episodes every Monday.
We, so appreciate everyone who has beenputting all the comments over on YouTube.
We're growing there at a,at a fast rate podcast.
All the things.
We just appreciate all of you.
we'll see everybody next week on Seat.
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