Managing Emotions God’s Way: Alicia Michelle on Faith, Mindset, and Managing Overwhelm With Science and Scripture

What if your emotions could actually draw you closer to God instead of pulling you off course? In this thought-provoking episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Alicia Michelle—Christian life coach, neuro coach, and author of Emotional Confidence. Alicia shares her powerful personal story of burnout and recovery, revealing how a life-altering health crisis forced her to reconsider everything she believed about emotional resilience, faith, and rest. Discover practical, faith-centered tools to manage your emotions, break free from perfectionism, and find true peace. If you’re feeling overwhelmed or searching for deeper purpose, this conversation will leave you feeling inspired and equipped.

""Acknowledge, discern, and decide—three simple things you can do to manage your emotions." - Alicia Michelle

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About Our Guest:

Alicia Michelle is a respected Christian life coach, neuro coach, author, and host of the podcast "The Christian Mindset Coach." She specializes in combining biblical truth with brain science to help individuals manage their emotions, overcome anxiety, and build emotional resilience rooted in faith. With ICF certification—the gold standard in coaching—Alicia brings professional expertise and personal experience, having navigated her own journey through severe health challenges and emotional overwhelm. Her latest book, "Emotional Confidence," and her Emotional Confidence Club membership provide practical, science-backed tools for anyone seeking peace, purpose, and authentic connection with God.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Discover practical tools from Alicia Michelle—a Christian life coach and neuro coach—on how to manage your emotions using both science and scripture.
2. Hear a candid story about Alicia’s life-altering health crisis and how it radically shifted her mindset, offering powerful lessons for anyone feeling overwhelmed or “stuck.”
3. Learn about the unique ADD method (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) that Alicia teaches for processing difficult emotions and strengthening emotional resilience grounded in faith.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

Resources Mentioned:

1. AliciaMichelle.com - Alicia’s main website where you can learn more about her coaching services, membership (Emotional Confidence Club), and other resources.
2. Book: "Emotional Confidence: 3 Simple Steps to Manage Emotions with Science and Scripture" - Alicia’s book that shares her ADD (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) method to help manage emotions with practical steps grounded in science and scripture.
3. Podcast: The Christian Mindset Coach - Hosted by Alicia Michelle, this podcast dives deeper into mindset, faith, and emotional tools for Christian living.

Action Steps for Listeners:

1. Journal Regularly or Try Morning Pages: Set aside time a few mornings each week to write freely for 10 minutes or fill 2–3 pages. This can help you process your thoughts and bring clarity to underlying emotions.
2. Schedule Daily Rest and Connection with God: Create intentional daily rhythms for rest, prayer, or quiet time—whether it’s a 25-minute timer outside, or a few moments of stillness. Use this space to check in emotionally and spiritually, as discussed in the episode.
3. Implement the

Episode Transcript

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It was awful.

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God took everything andwas just like right here.
You looking at me?
You looking at me.
'cause we're gonna talk about this.
And he's like, it's notabout getting more sleep.
You need to understand what is goingon in your head that you think that
you need to keep pushing harderand harder and harder and never pay
attention to these signs inside of you.

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What if your emotions didn't derail yourday, but actually drew you closer to God?
In this episode of Seek, goCreate, we welcome Alicia Michelle
Christian, life Coach Neuroco andauthor of Emotional Confidence.
Alicia combines Biblical Truthwith brain science to help people
manage emotions, overcome anxiety,and live with peace and purpose.

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If you're feeling overwhelmed, stuckin your thoughts, or simply wanna build
emotional resilience grounded in faith,this conversation will offer clarity,
hope, and tools you can use right now.
Alicia, I need that right now.
I need it.
So welcome to.
I think we all need that.

(01:13):
We all need these sortsof tools, don't we?
I tell you what, yeah, I was doingrestarts on my computer and had
meetings earlier and meetingslater, and I said, man, let me
get in the space here for Alicia.
And we set a prayer a second ago,so hopefully we're peaceful and
calm and I'm, I'm glad you're here.

(01:34):
So, thanks for joining us.
Yeah, it's great to be hereand chat with you, Tim.
know, I know.
First, first question, your choice,
Okay.
you, would you rather answerwhat do you do or who are you?
Well, I feel like.
You've, you've sharedsome about what I do.
So I, I a coach.
I am a podcaster.

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My podcast is called TheChristian Mindset Coach.
I am an author.
but I think we are really quickto answer that question and
label ourselves by those things.
so I would prefer to answer who I am.
first and foremost, I'm a daughter of God.
I am a wife to another man named Tim for,24 plus years now, and a mom of four.

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even those are still kind of roles.
So I think at the core,am a creative person.
I am someone who loves adventure andfun, but also right on that middle line
between extroversion and introversion.
So I am to go out and chat to a wholebunch of people, but I also really value
that quiet time and alone time and timewith the Lord, in silence and quiet.

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So.
I feel like I have a lot of good mixesof different sides of things, which helps
me relate to a lot of different people.
But, that's a little bit about me.
It's fascinating.
I am actually finding, that I, I oncewas, man, my energy and everything
came from being around otherpeople and I still do enjoy that.
I mean, obviously I'm sitting hereinterviewing someone on a podcast.

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You and I met at an event thatwas sort of a connecting or
networking type of an event.
But I am getting much, much morecomfortable and excited about sitting
down, reading, studying right now, doingsome biblical studies that are like
stretching me at 60 something years old.

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I'm like even changing my mindabout some things that I used
to be fairly dogmatic about.
Wow.
what's up with that?
I think that's one of the gifts of goingthrough some of these second half of
life years where we spend the first halfbuilding, building families, building

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careers, discovering more about who Godis, seeing his faithfulness trusting him.
And it's not that we don'tsee that in the second half.
And I have to admit, I justturned 50 this year, so I'm
just starting the second half.
I got a long way to go in the second half.
But what I'm sensing is a timenow where we can go back to
some of those things that.

(04:10):
were interested in some of thehobbies we can explore a little
deeper and some knowledges thatwe've been wanting to look at.
We can, get to grow in these deepways with the Lord and then continue
to use that in combination withwhat he's taught us through his
faithfulness through the years.
And we get to share in that waynow as we're moving forward.
So I think it's a beautifulseason to be able to do that.

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I think it is too, and this actuallycircles back even in my first
question that I'm observing with me.
I believe that early onin my life, what I did.
Defined me much more than who Iwas or maybe I was just aware of
it more, or I tried to impresspeople with what I did or whatever.

(04:52):
and I'm really into more of who I am
Yeah.
Maybe it's, I just got fatigued withall that other stuff and all that.
And I, I think thatfeeds into our mindset.
Don't you agree?
Sure.
And I think it feeds into depth atwhich we want to experience life
and wanna share that with others.
You know, for some people we mightjust share, this is who I am,

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these are the roles that I play.
and that may be all that wefeel comfortable sharing or we
all really think that we are.
But the longer we live, we see, gosh,those roles can change at any moment.
I can have new roles added in.
I can have roles taken away thecore, who am I, who do I wanna be?
Who is God making me to be?
there are some things about youand I that will never change any

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person that will ever change.
These are just who we are at our essence.
That's what I wanna dig intomore, and that's what I wanna
be known for that person.
Right.
and I can't say thatI was always that way.
I'm very similar.
you said a word that, I want to leteveryone know, we're gonna be talking
about emotional confidence and mindset.
You've got a great tool that we're gonnadiscuss later, a DD and things like that.

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But you triggered me with aword and, I think it's a good
conversation with someone like you.
Hmm.
The word share is something thatyou said earlier, and this is
something that I have been reallyspending a lot of time with the Lord
hmm.
investigating because I have alwaysbeen wired to impress, to inspire

(06:26):
Yeah.
if I learn something, I wantto get it out to other people.
I really want to share info.
so I've always beenteacher, coach, trainer.
We're on a podcast, wrote a book,you've written books, things like that.
Yeah.
I have been asking the Lord
Hmm.
questions like, why do I want to share?

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Hmm.
Is it important for me to share?
When do I just digest things and makesure I'm clear before I blurt out
and post or flip on the microphoneor start writing and, and trying to
get it out to the world and changepeople's minds and impact their lives.

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You know, impact is a wordthat kind of can tie into this.
Have you had any thoughts of thatas you move from your, your young
age to a slightly more mature age?
On what?
I mean, do you ever like pauseor, or, and was there a time maybe

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that you would just, I got it.
I need to share this with the world.
I mean, I'm just curious about that.
I'm asking myself thequestion, why do I share this?
Why did I just share what I just did?
I don't know.
that's an interesting question.
I think that I've been askedthat question by God before.
because I feel like God reveals to me twomain times when I feel like he speaks to

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me, he speaks to me at like 3:00 AM whenI'll just wake up with this whole idea of
stuff and then I try to go back to sleep.
And then it's like, clearlythere's this point where you're
like, I just need to get up.
I just need to get a ride it alldown and get it all out of my head.
And then I feel so much better and Ican go to sleep and then I wake up.
But if I don't do that, it just.
I will have time with him inthe morning and journaling or

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spending time in his word juststraightly strictly through that.
And it's like it sparks all these ideas.
And I start writing and then I'mlike, next thing I know, I'm writing
an outline for a podcast episode.
Or I'm thinking, oh, I need to create thisresource, or I need to write this thing.
And there have beentimes when God has said
like, what if just what I'msharing with you is for you?

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Not that you couldn't share itsomeday, but right now you, I
need you to hear this message.
I need you to absorb this.
Maybe again, you might digest it andmight even be something else down the
road, but Alicia, right here for you.
and I think we can, miss that we,'cause we think, oh well, it's easier
to just go and help and give it out.

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But then it's like, how'sthat working for you?
Are you listening to that message?
taking it in because the Lord gave itto you originally as a, as the digestion
person first before you just gets kindof gross using this analogy, putting
it in your mouth and spinning it out.
You know, we wanna digest it.
But do you, I think you get what I'msaying, that, that there's, we, we, we
have to digest it first a lot of the time.

(09:21):
and we are very quick justhear it and move on it.
So I, I think there's a lot of creditand, and validity to what you're
saying about waiting and sharing.
and I think culture ofsociety, whatever puts pressure
Yeah.
because listen, I've seenyour stuff on Instagram.
Great stuff.

(09:41):
You know, social media.
I'm on social media and that stuff's there24 7 and it's almost begging us share.
Mm-hmm.
And so then we start moving into,okay, I'm a content creator, so I
gotta be cranking out some content.
I think there's a lot of wisdomin, for me, it's a pause.

(10:05):
if I'm really healthy, I'm pausing.
If I'm not, I'm going faster andblurting things out and quick
to post and stuff like that.
Yep.
got a post that I created the other day.
I think this is wisdom that I pausedand said I'm gonna wait a couple

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of days and I haven't posted it
Hmm
It was somewhat the biblical basisof the office of the Pope and
the Pope when we're recording.
This has just passed away and itwas really good, but I felt like,
hmm, I, I've got Catholic friends.
This may not be valuable to them.

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It might be, I don't know.
And so I'm pausing and you know what?
It might just disappear on me.
I think if you've heard of the conceptof morning pages, either Tim or other
people listening, if you guys haveheard of this concept, it's by Julia
Cameron in her book The Artist Way.
It's a book that's been aroundforever, like 20 years or
more, probably 30 years now.

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And it's about how tohave art in everyday life.
how to live as an artist, if thatsounds kind of woowoo and out
there, but that's what it is.
Essence.
The essence of it is, and one ofthe first practices that she talks
about is this idea of morning pages.
So you just sit down with a journal andyou just write for, if it's 10 minutes,
she tells you to write for three pagesand it doesn't have to mean anything.

(11:27):
It's just junk.
It's just stuff coming out.
And I advise that all the time toclients because I can't tell you
many people I work with who are.
wise Bible believing amazing people whohave no idea what's going on in their head
and have no idea what they're feeling.
just a simple practice of acouple of times a week sitting
down and just getting that out.

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It's like, oh, I'm priming the pump.
Now I can see what's in there.
So my point in saying that is a lot oftimes you get that stuff out and it's
just, it's not anything you reallyneed to use or be purposeful with.
It just needs to come outand, but it takes time.
Like you said, maybe whateverthat message was that you had
regarding the Pope, it can come out.
But it takes time and wisdom anddiscernment from the Holy Spirit
to say, so is this, maybe it's,maybe it is a message I need to

(12:11):
share, but is this the right time?
Or maybe it isn't a messagethat I need to share.
So I think it's okay to letit come out is my point.
But discerning about how,when, if it's shared, that's
a whole nother conversation.
Yeah, it doesn't need to beadjusted or things like that.
and for me, finally, as Ienter my sixties, I consider

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that some degree of maturity.
And so I'm finally getting to a placeof maturity, which is sort of exciting
for the people around me that I,
Yeah.
They're, they're finally.
Excited about that.
My wife says, do you think that's funny?
That's not really funny.
That's not a joke.
Anyway, I think this was sort ofa good transition into mindset.
and the thing that first drew meto you was the fact that you call

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yourself a Christian mindset coach.
And I've got quite an affinity to the wordcoach and I believe that, you know what,
let me, I'm gonna go ahead and go here.
I believe there are a lot of peoplenow that are calling themselves
coaches that probably aren't.
And so what is your definition orunderstanding of what a coach is and does?

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Hmm.
I think that there's lots ofdefinitions of what a coach is.
My personal opinion, this is all myopinion, to be a professional coach.
I think it's important to have trainingin how to coach people and what that looks

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like from a, it's a professional vocation.
it's not me standing there saying,I have some wisdom to impart on
you, because number one, that'snot what coaching is at all.
What coaching is not about meconvincing you to do something.
It's about learning about you, whereyou're at, where you wanna go, and me
discerning the right questions to helpyou go where you wanna go, help you

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figure out the answer to how to get there.
It's not me telling you how to get there.
So I think it's, that takesknowledge, that takes practice,
that takes training and.
A willingness to serve, a willingnessto not tell, but to listen.
So to me, those are marks of a good coach.
I don't think you have togo to any specific school.

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I have an ICF certification, whichis the gold standard in coaching,
but that was important to me.
I felt like I wanted to be able to say,this is the highest level and I have that.
but I think I, I, I do understand thefrustration you're talking about when
someone just kind of labels themselfas this, it can do a disservice

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to what it means to be a coach,especially in the area of telling
versus allowing the coachee to lead theconversation and guide the discussion.
I,
think, Tim?
Well, I, I love what you said.
I think you mentioned the servant roleand I was just thinking the servant heart.
Mm-hmm.
I think you really do have to park yourown biases, dogmas issues, whatever, and

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really look at the person you work with.
This is the way I word it.
And listen, I'm not certified,so I'm, I just know from the.
Point I was 12 years old.
Coaching was somethingthat was in my genes.
Hmm.
I wanted to be a teacher and a coach.
Both my parents were educators and,but Alicia, I had a conversation with
my dad right before I, graduated highschool about how much money they made.

(15:34):
And I didn't know we were poor.
I thought we had a littlebit more money than that.
And I went, oh my gosh, I don't thinkI wanna be a teacher and a coach.
So got an engineeringdegree and all that stuff.
But everything I've done hasgravitated back to coaching.
And the way I word it now is thatas a coach, my role is to reach down
inside people and pull out what God hascreated them to do or be, or whatever.

(15:56):
That is not a very technical description,
No,
that helps me
Yeah.
and it helps me not to decide,you know what, if I'm working
with Alicia or someone else,here's what I think you should do.
But I, I wanna say one quick thing.
There's some tension that I'vegot going on right now in that
I've been a coach for so long andcoaches don't really do anything.

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We enable other people to dostuff, but I don't think I do.
I, I, like you said, I question peopleand help them move to where they need to.
I've actually just been hired by aclient to come in and help run their
company as an operations person,and I told my wife, I'm not sure
that I can actually do any work.
I haven't done work in so long.

(16:40):
I would push back on that,that coaches don't do anything.
I understand what you're sayingand I'm not saying that from
like, well, we do things.
I'm not saying it like that.
I'm saying like in the same way that.
A lighter, like a, like a youwould use to light a candle.
The candle is what we end upseeing, but we need the lighter
to make the candle start.

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The fire, a coach's job is to be thebehind the scenes support person to
get them to, to go where they wanna go.
So we do a lot, we're the conduitfor the Holy Spirit to do the
work in their life without thatconduit and without that guidance.
and a lot of times that accountabilityand a little bit of gentle guidance
and asking the tough questions thata friend wouldn't ask, that's not the

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role of a coach, is not to be a friend.
It's to ask for permission toask some of the tough questions.
but without those questions,they're not gonna take that step.
So they take the credit for the step.
It's almost like a stage production.
Everybody behind the stage, thepeople doing the lighting and the
makeup and everybody else, they'reresponsible for that production.
It's not just the person on stage singing.

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I think of a coach inkind of that same way.
we're not the ones taking the action,but we still do a lot to get them there.
I agree.
That may have been my bit ofself-deprecating or tongue
in cheek type description.
take it that way, but I just, Ithink that's important to note.
I think that's important forpeople who are like, I wanna be a
coach to tell someone what to do.
'cause if that's why you wanna coach,that's not a good reason to coach.

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And even in coaching school, like theytaught us, you can coach on any topic.
I could coach someone onbecoming a basketball player.
I've never, I'm not a basketball player.
Okay?
But I'm not telling themhow to do basketball.
I'm talking to them about themindset that's getting in the
way of them becoming the bestbasketball player that they can be.
I know how to coach people in that way.

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That's what I'm trained to do.
So that's why I feel like I'm nottelling you as an expert, I'm helping you
discover and let you step into the role.
I've often thought that inthe world that we're in today,
Mm-hmm.
in many ways coaches are theclosest thing to a discipleship role

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that, that we have in our culture.
Because, you know, in the churchworld that we have, most of it is,
you know, there's a group, theylisten, they go on in one day.
you, I guess, are probably interactingwith people on a very regular basis.
You're listening, you're pulling thingsfrom them, you're commenting, well,

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when someone says that a coach is,is like a, it's like discipleship.
What comes to mind when I say that?
guiding, directing.
I feel like discipleship stillthough, has the connotation of
I am directing you where to go.

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Where the very pure side, I canhear my coaching professor saying
that would not be what coaching is.
because it's not me telling you, Ithink in discipleship you're still
saying be like me, create these habits.
Although that still could be an example.
it depends on how pure youwanna be in that coaching role.
there's definitely a place for that,but might be a little bit too much of a

(20:01):
directive bias perhaps, if I could say
Okay, that's fair.
So what do you do to, what are someof the practices that you have to keep
your mindset where it needs to be?
And I also wanna say that practices,rhythms, habits, I do think that there.

(20:22):
Individual.
There's a lot of people out therethat copy other people's practices
and they may not work for them.
But I'm curious what yours are and thena follow up question, I'll go ahead and
ask it, and you can go into that, is whatare some things that you don't do that
you see others do that work well for them?
okay, so this is a massive question, soI could go in a gazillion directions.
I'll just start off by saying that,the first thing that comes to mind

(20:44):
is I host a membership group calledThe Emotional Confidence Club.
My book is called Emotional Confidence.
Emotional Confidence Club is wherewe take what we talk about in
emotional confidence, and theseare women who are wanting to.
better able to manage their emotionsthroughout the day in relationships.
they wanna learn practicaltools to do that.

(21:04):
So I think of the seven mindset tools,the roadmap that we talk about in the
membership, the emotional confidence club.
noticing and naming our feelings,that's the very first thing I have had
to learn how to do that in a big way.
paying attention to what I'm feeling andnoticing is the first step that we start.

(21:26):
I start everybody out because I think alot of us have been trained by society,
by busyness, by, Unfortunate situationsthat we've come into with our own
emotions or other people's emotionsto not really deal with emotions.
We kind of push 'em down.
and then there's other things, ofcourse, like, processing the emotions
themselves through a tool thatwe'll talk about today called a DD.
That's my method that Iteach for managing emotions.

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I manage my emotions and my mindsetthrough daily connection with the Lord.
I mean, it's so important to havethat time with him, to hear what the
word of God says, but then to let itinteract with where I am at for the day.
What am I thinking about?
What am I worried about?
what is that heaviness I'm feeling?

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What are the lies that are there?
And then hearing that truthand letting it work it's magic.
Not literally magic, butyou know what I'm saying.
Doing its work in my heart.
So letting that happen and then beingvery intentional about rest rhythms
so that I am in a place of calm.
So that I am able to respondin a way that is more logically

(22:31):
based versus emotions based.
So if we are feeling an emotion,the emotion side of our brain is
what is turned on and activated.
It's really hard to use a logicalresponse, which is what we want to do
and what we think about after, oh, Iwish I had responded this way, if we
are firing from that emotional side.
So doing whatever I can on a regularbasis to stay in that parasympathetic

(22:53):
nervous system, the, the calm, restand digest side of my body, In the
moment, practicing those sort of things.
And even noticing, like, I'll behonest, today, I am at a day where
I feel like I am reaching my pointwhere I need to have a day off to
go rejuvenate a little bit tomorrow.
My friend and I, I live in SouthernCalifornia and so we're talking
about, we've done this before.

(23:14):
We take the train, just like for theday, just take the train somewhere.
We're gonna take the train todowntown Disney tomorrow, and we're
gonna have lunch at downtown Disneyand then take the train back and
we work while we're on the train.
So we feel like, okay, I didlike a few hours of work, but
then we have fun and goof off.
So we're in the middle of planningthat today, so here's hope and I
get to go on the train tomorrow.
but like that kind of stuff, the oldme would not have thought about that.

(23:34):
The old me would've said, keep going.
It doesn't matter that you feel tired.
The old me wouldn't have even known.
She just would've been all thesesensations and headaches and
all this stuff, and then justignoring it, pushing it down.
So I think attention to it, and not justpaying attention to it, but responding.
Deciding I need to shift somethings because I need to show

(23:56):
up the way that God wants me to.
So in order to do that, I gotta, Igotta pay attention and do some things.
the reason I think this is important,Alicia, is that, you know, I work with
leaders of companies and executives not.
Mm-hmm.
Different than women that are runningtheir businesses and running homes.
A bunch going on.

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And my observation very similar to myobservation in my life and what you
just brought up, is that we usually endup filling up all our time and we get
tired, exhausted, fatigued, whatever.
And, and you know, there's thehustle culture that's going on
outside of this conversation.
There's, there's, if itis to be, it's up to me.
There, there's all of these things thatI've been a part of and, and, there's

(24:40):
a story that you've got that happened afew years ago that we're about to get to.
Yeah.
there's one thing that I want justa little more information on because
I think in many situations, peoplehere, I just connect with God.
I spend time with the Lord andthat's the most important to me.
I know for many for years, but theway my mind worked, I was like going,

(25:03):
I, you know, if I sit down and bequiet or wake up at 3 32 in the
morning, which is for me, that's thetime, by the way, you said 3:00 AM
Yeah.
oh, there's things going throughmy head and people will say,
oh, you need to write it down.
I'm going, what do you mean get 3 32?
I'm not gonna get up and write downwhat, anyway, what get, get, let's get

(25:23):
a little bit like 1 0 1 basic, yeah.
Time with God.
Like, do you get in the closet?
Do you go into a trance andstart, you know, lighting
incense or something like that?
Or what, what does that mean for you?
Not quite, not for me.
At least that's not what it
Okay.
Alright.
Good.
okay.

(25:44):
No, yeah.
No, no, no.
Nothing like that.
Uh, so there is the, the ideal answerthat happens, I would say 90% of the
time, and then there's the answer.
That just is what it is.
the ideal answer, which againhappens 90% of the time, is I am
very blessed to live on an acreand a half of property, and I have.

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Beautiful.
We have beautiful trees on ourproperty, so I love to be outside.
So I will go sit outside.
We have a pool.
I'll sit by the pool and I will, it's,there's like a, a waterfall sound
as part of the jacuzzi out there.
So I hear the water.
I sit outside, I, I see the trees.
I'll listen to the birds.
I bring my journal.
I am either working through a specificstudy at a time, like right now I'm

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working through a study by PriscillaSchreyer as part of our women's group.
And, something I'm doing with my daughter.
I'm, I'm working throughthat, but I'm also
as I'm doing the work or I'm going throughthe Bible in a year, whatever it is,
just listening for those moments where Isense God saying, oh, did you catch that?

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That's for you in this little area.
Sometimes that's how I approach it.
And then there are times when I justsit down and I. Have a conversation as
if I would having a conversation withsomebody else, but I'm writing it down.
So I'm writing like, God, thisis what's on my heart today.
I'm really tired.
I feel heavy about this,I'm worried about this.
and then I'm just silent and just kindof sit there and let that be present.

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And sometimes I'll write like a littleg in my journal and that's God what
I sense him saying or like a certainscripture or you're, you know, it's,
this isn't for forever, whatever it is.
I sense some of that and I write that andthen I kind of respond back and forth.
So to me it's just this open conversation.
I usually, 'cause we all live inthe real world and we can't do that
for, you know, four hours a day.
Maybe I set a timer.

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I'm very practical.
My timer is on all daylong for different things.
25 minutes is typically my timerfor that sort of thing outside.
If I have more time, I'll do 45minutes, but that helps me lose myself
in that time with the Lord so thatI know I'm not like, oh my gosh, I
have to go get on that call with Tim.
the little thing will beepon my phone and I'm good.

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But in that, in between time,I can just sit out there.
I can be in nature, I can listento the Lord, I can read his word,
I can absorb it, and then I may goback out later at lunch or something
'cause I work from home, But it'sjust this ongoing touching base.
I think touching baseis a good way to say it.
Touching base with God, whetherit's through a formal study or
time in prayer, but be sensitive towhat he's saying as I'm doing it.

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Yeah, I think that's good.
One of the things that I've observed,and I don't know if this is scientific
or technical or what is that I havea multitasking mind and I used to
be very prideful about that, andthat is the correct word by the way.
And I am now more and moreconvinced that we are not.
Supposed to multitask and when Iwrite it, it, I can't multitask when

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I'm writing, my mind can't go pew.
Oh, squirrel.
Here or there.
and I think that's probably whythere's value to it for most people.
Just being still and quiet and erasing abunch of stuff that's kind of going on.
'cause we've got a lotof stuff coming at us.
It's,
of your story Go ahead.

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You, you've got something.
Go ahead.
it's good to just, I think like wewere talking about with morning pages,
sometimes we just feel this gunk inour head and we're not quite sure
what it's about, but when we can sitdown and begin letting it out, From a
brain science perspective, we're thenallowing our logical brain to process
what's been stuck in the emotional mind.
So we're able to logically think, oh,well that's because of this, and I see

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this pattern over here, then we can letthe Holy Spirit speak into all of that.
So it's just, getting out, almostlike laying it all on the table
and then sitting there with God andhelping him, you know, him, helping
you figure out what to do with it.
So I think there's a lot of valuein not having to sit down and have
the answer of what you're gonna say,but from that he does the direction.
so you, as your story goes, you were doingall the things that people, that women do,

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family and business and things like that.
Yeah.
all of that led up to, what if I'munderstanding it correctly, a pretty
scary and life altering, situation.
I'm gonna say this and then I'mgonna let you share what you want
to about that, because I thinkthat was a real turning point.

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As a coach, I fully believe that peoplecan make a decision and methodically make
changes in their life and do differentthings and alter the course of their life.
I really do believe that.
Yeah.
As a human being.
From a practical standpoint, myobservation is that most people make

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change when a significant, sometimecatalytic event occurs in their life
and that's when they make a change.
Sounds like that's what happened with you.
That's what happened with me backin oh eight and financial situation.
tell what you want to about thatas we start moving into discussion.
You discussing emotional confidenceand some of the tools because I,

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I think it's important 'cause itseems like that was a big deal.
It was a big deal, andI would've said before
I.
that I was pretty good at listening to Godand being willing to do, not having to be.
Told, like I could change, likewhat you were just talking about.
But, looking back and knowingwhat I had to go through,

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which I'll explain in a second.
I see, no sometimes, andthis was definitely the case.
So what happened, what Tim isreferring to is in 2017 I had
two vertebral artery dissections.
And what that means is the arteries inthe back of your neck, they obviously are
important, they feed your brain blood.

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they run inside the column, thevertebral column of our neck, which
is why they're the vertebral arteries.
But, what had happened for me, if in an.
Aneurysm happens.
We were kind of familiar with that,where the vessel blows outward, right.
And that's not a good thing.
dissection is where thevessel collapses inward.
And almost like the inner liningis how they explained it to me.

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The inner lining of the arteryhad collapsed upon itself.
And now there was that littlespace between the outer part and
the inner, and it was collectingblood clots and obviously the
restriction was made on my arteries.
so the quick story is I was downin Mexico on a missions trip, and
I had had this really bad headache.
It was just a week long missions trip.
We'd done it several times with ourchurch and I had a couple of my kids

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with me was like, just, you know.
Take an aspirin, get over it.
Alicia, you have to be here.
And I was taking the aspirin and I don'treally do that kind of stuff, but I
was like, everything I could think oflavender or peppermint, like everything.
And this thing was not going anywhere.
It was really, really bad.
So one night, the second night we werein Mexico again, we're in the rural

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part of Mexico, in Baja, went out.
I was just in so much pain.
I was staying in an rv and I got outof the rv, went out into the, just
sat in the cool air in the desert.
And I felt, I did not hear, but I knewmore than I'd ever heard God before.
And it was, you need to go homeand you need to go home right now.

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And I thought,
no, God, like I'm here,I'm leading a Bible study.
My daughter's here, she's nine.
I'm not gonna leave her in Mexicowith the rest of the, you know,
like we're already short staffed.
And it was like.
You need to go home andyou need to comb right now.
Like this is not a joke.
so the next morning woke up theleader and I said, I'm really
sorry, this is what's happening.
And he's like, oh, of course.

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You know, like drove me to the border.
My husband picked me up, it was aSaturday and because it, that was a
god thing because it was a Saturday.
When you have a really bad headache, yougo to the ER on a Saturday, you don't wait
to make an appointment with the doctor.
So they drove me to the er and they tooka CAT scan and they said, ma'am, you're
having a vertebral artery dissection.

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We can't even treat you at this hospital.
We have to send you down to this teachinghospital down in San Diego to the ICU.
What were you doing in Mexico?
And we can't even believe you'restanding here and talking to us
based on the injury that we see here.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
And they said, were you bungee jumping?
Were you in a car accident?
Like I said, no.
Like, they're like, these arethe kinds of injuries that we

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see from those occurrences.
The doctors, when I got down there, theykept asking me, 'cause then I started
having these little TIAs, the transischemic attacks, the little mini strokes.
They're like, what did you do in Mexico?
Were you, were youskydiving, bungee jumping?
I'm like, I'm a mom on a mission trip.
No, I was not doing any of those things.

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But in my heart I heard Godsay, you know why you're here.
You know why you're here.
And it was because for the, likethe past 10 to 15 years, I had been
sleeping about four hours a night.
And I know that I went to bed at 1230.
I woke up at four 30.
That's just how I was.
I, I. Was just under a lot ofstress for a really long time.

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My husband traveled 50% of the time.
I had four small childrenwho I was homeschooling.
One of them has special needs.
he had at this point when this allhappened, he'd been out of work for 18
months as part of a huge corporate layoff.
We were in a literally interestingplace and had been in there for a
long time, and I just kept shovingand pushing down all of that stuff.

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So as all of that happened, they, I hadone side, one, one artery go, and then the
other artery went a week and a half later.
So I got to go back to thehospital a week and a half later.
But after all of that ended,we got through it got, again,
I felt that impression, youare gonna make it through here.
There will be, this is your secondchance, but there won't be a third.
That was what I was told, it was.

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months of laying in bed because therewas, again, extreme headaches, high blood.
I mean, my job was basically to go tothe doctor twice a week down in La Jolla
and make sure that I was, my blood was atthis certain level viscosity that it was
not gonna cause any more problems 'causethere was nothing they could do for me.
So that meant a lot oftime alone with the Lord.
A lot of time I just laying there,everything had to be taken out of my life.

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I could no longer homeschool.
I couldn't write, I couldn't speak, Icouldn't even take care of my family.
I couldn't go to the grocery store.
I couldn't cook.
We had people from the church comingover and taking care of all this stuff.
Like it was, it was awful.
I had to be fed at somepoint ' cause I couldn't sit up.
It was awful.
So gun, God took everythingand was just like right here.
You looking at me?

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You looking at me.
'cause we're gonna talk about this.
And he's like, it's notabout getting more sleep.
You need to understand what is it thatwas, is going on in your head that you
think that you need to keep pushingharder and harder and harder and never pay
attention to these signs inside of you.
So as I began looking at that, Irealized there's a lot of stuff
that had been in there that I hadnever dealt with, and especially the

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emotions that I had never dealt with.
Fast forwarding through the storynow, but eventually learned a lot
about the brain science behind it.
Became certified as a neurocoach, which helps you understand
the patterns inside the brain.
What are the subconscious patternsthat are causing us to think these,
that are affecting the logical sideof our mind, how do we align them?
eventually became trained as a coachand thought I'd been working since 2012

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with women, I realized there are a lotof ladies in the church who know God's
truth like I did, who believed they wereenough, who knew that they were loved,
but had something inside of them thatwas keeping them from believing it.
And I wanna help them fix that.
So that's what I do now, the deeperwork of that kind of stuff, which

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usually looks like perfectionism, peoplepleasing, all that kind of stuff, but also
just, which is what the book is about.
How in the world do I dealwith my emotions every day?
How do I deal with the overwhelm,the anger, the anxiety, the things
that my kid does that drives me nuts.
Like whatever it is,how do I deal with that?
So that's kind of how it all becamereadjusted and God had to help me

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focus, even though I thought I wasbeing responsive, he had to really
help me focus through that incident.
So one of the things my wife and I tellourselves, and I don't know if we're
fooling ourselves or anything, is wediscuss, Situations we've been through
and we say something to the effect of,we wouldn't wish what we went through on

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anyone, but we're thankful that we wentthrough it because of who we are today.
Yes.
you brought this up so I'm gonnaask for clarification on this.
there's some people that theystruggle with their perception
of God and his nature.
Mm-hmm.
I am comfortable withthis, but not everyone is.

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When you say something like, Godwas getting my attention, because
they might say that God did thatto you with your neck or, or that
maybe he used it, but what would yourespond when someone say, wait, do
so You think this was a God thing?

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Sure.
I don't think that, and I know thatGod doesn't necessarily punish us for,
I mean, we have consequences for sin.
I mean, that's honest.
That's biblical.
We can say that.
It wasn't that God was punishing me.
I can look back now and see thatthere were a lot of people and a lot

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of ways that God tried to warn methat I was not dealing with things,
that I wasn't processing things,that I wasn't taking care of myself.
He gave me a lot of warning signs,I think, and I know that he did.
Does things like this because he loves us.
He loved me enough to save my lifeat that moment because they told

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me, if you had not come home fromMexico, I can guarantee you within
a day or two you would've been dead.
You would've had a massive strokedown in the middle of Mexico.
And let me just tell you, thereain't no resources that where we
were, that would've helped me.
He saved my life.
Like he saved my life.
And he allowed me now touse this in ministry to help
hundreds of thousands of people.

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Like what a gift.
What a gift.
So say that he, I think that he, he,he guides us for our own reasons of
why we personally need to be changed.
'cause he loves us.
He loves me, but as part of this greaterplan somehow, which we don't even
fully understand, because if I hadn'tgone through that, then I wouldn't
necessarily be talking about this.

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And if I hadn't been talking about this,then, you know, what about those people?
Would they have not been affected?
he has to somehow use all ofthat together for his plan.
So I always go back to he does itout of his love for me he wants me
to, to live the fullest freest life,and he wants me to use that freedom
to impact others and help them.
Mm-hmm.
the word Sabbath just kind of poppedin my head as you were talking,

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and a lot of people will say, oh,Sabbath, that's a day of the week.
That's not the way I look at it.
I consider Sabbath to be a mindset ora state of being or a state of mind.
Yes.
would it be fair to say that.
old you, which is the term used earlier,would not be someone who was in a
state of Sabbath or at rest and knewyou may not be totally all the time.

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We're still obviously working out,but you are more in a Sabbath state
or to bring the word in mindset.
Let's start talking mindset here.
Would that be a fair statement?
Sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's fair.
I was just, before we got on this call,I was at our weekly women's bible study
and we were talking about, hearingthe will of God and hearing his voice.

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And We were talking about howit's, easy to just say, oh, I'm
not gonna allow this in my life.
I'm not gonna do these things, or Iam gonna do these things like with
drinking or certain foods or whatever.
but it's actually, that's legalism.
it's more.
about a relationship.
I'm just going and I'm listeningto God in the every day.

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And so I think aboutthat in terms of Sabbath.
I'm not saying, oh, it'sSunday, I gotta stop.
Everything like that becomes, sure,that could be maybe for some people
that's super helpful for me that'snot because then every week, well
my Sunday looks a little different.
I try to make my days lighterand we try to not do as much.
I really try to have someextended time outside with
God or with family on Sundays.

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But it is a mindset, is a sensory.
Just what am I, am I getting to thatboiling point where, I need to take
a little bit of a break, it's all daylong sensing that letting God speak
to me, letting him bring the restinto every day that is more realistic
and more doable and more helpful.

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modern world than just saying, okay,it's Sunday, so I have to do this.
That, that requires relationship.
That requires intimacy.
That requires knowing ourselves.
That's where the mindset piece comes in.
it requires being honest about where we'reat and then doing something with that.
So yeah, I agree.
It's more of an ongoing thing.
and the tough thing for me, and maybe foryou, you could respond to this, is that

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until you've experienced it, you don'tknow what it is or how to get to it.
And it sounded to me when you said youwere forced because you were in the
hospital, you couldn't homeschool, whichyou felt like that's a duty of yours.
you couldn't wife, you couldn'ttake care of your house, you
couldn't do all these things.
You had a forced Sabbath thatshowed you a little bit a

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glimpse of what it looked like.
would that be correct?
Yeah.
I had to be forced.
I didn't like it.
there are times whenit's still uncomfortable.
It's a lot more comfortable than itwas, but, it still feels a little
foreign and it's scary and I getfrustrated 'cause I think, Ooh, I would
rather be just working, but it's, no.
And then I get into it and then I'm okay.

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And I see it.
So, yeah.
I think that, let's bring emotionsinto the conversation because I think,
and, this is so ironic that thisstatement's about to come outta my
mouth because those in my close circlewould say that I'm fairly emotionless.
Hmm.
but it's an observation of mine.

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Okay.
But, but we all know that's incorrect.
everyone has it.
Some are more visible, some peopledeal with them different ways.
We won't, this is not a counselingsession, so let's don't go there.
Okay?
Okay.
when my emotions get the best ofme, or when I observe people around
me is when they have expectations.
Maybe perfectionism.
They think something's gonnawork out a certain way, and

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it's sometimes a control thing.
Yeah.
when it doesn't go that way, emotions cankick in and there may be other things,
but maybe I should pause and say, whydon't you tell us how emotions fit into
the conversation that we're having here.
In what way?

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How it fit into whatpart of the conversation?
The mindset, the Sabbath, all the,what we're building upon here,
Hmm.
now we're gonna layer in emotionaland we've got some tools we're about
to talk about here that you teach on.
Sure.
I'm gonna read the subtitle toyour book, 'cause this might
help Three simple steps to manageEmotions with Science and Scripture.

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That is quite a boldsubtitle for a book, Alicia.
Yay.
Well, thank you.
I'm glad you liked the subtitle.
okay, so just before we go into thatother part, let's talk about the, the
subtitle, why, I was very insistent oncertain words, steps that was important.
Of course, I manage emotions, butscience and scripture, that was the

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most important part for me because Ithink there are a lot of people who are
doing either one of those, but not both.
as believers, we can have both.
We can have both.
And I think the church really needs tounderstand how to use the gifts of how
God made our bodies to be able to helpour emotions line up with what he wants
us to believe and how he wants us to act.

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and the, the freedom that comes in that.
So, in terms of how emotions canplay into all of this, probably the
simplest metaphor that I give is that.
We are like a pot ona stove full of water.
There is always a fire underneath us.

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And we always can probably most of thetime, sense that water bubbling our job.
If the water in the pot is our emotions,our job is to make sure that the emotions
are not boiling over the top of the pot.
That we're not covering it up andthere's steam coming out and then
there's water coming out the side.
We're never gonna have a perfectly flatlevel inside there or a really cold

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bunch of water 'cause there's alwaysgonna be tension and sometimes we can't
control that level of heat underneath.
But we are in charge of noticingwhat's going on in that pot of water
and we're in charge of bringing incalm, either taking the top off or
doing different things to lower it.
doing that all of the time with God'shelp and through understanding how

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our body works, how our nervous systemworks, what's happening in our body
when we're feeling these things.
So this is an ongoing thing.
I also give the example ofhusband is a diabetic, and so the
topic of blood sugar is always.
Hi.
The number of what his blood sugaris is always kind of as part of
the background of our conversation.
So if you don't live with a diabetic, youprobably don't know that the ideal blood

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sugar number is 100 at a given point.
That's the number we're always aiming for.
And you're never gonna get to 100.
Sometimes you're gonna be 150, you'regonna be a 200 depending on what you ate.
You might, you could go down to 60, butyou're always trying to aim for a hundred.
And that's like with our emotions.
We're never going to be perfectlycalm, chill this zen environment,

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or we can't hold it for very long.
We're never gonna be at a hundred for verylong because the next thing's gonna come.
so it's like that.
I think we're in charge of just what'sthe temperature happening inside
that water, asking God for help asto where it could be coming from.
What can I do in mybody to calm that down?
And then yes, what can I do to process it?
Which is that a DD methodwe'll talk about in a minute.

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But we, we are in charge of that.
Not somebody else.
We have to learn the skillto be in charge of it.
We have to decide that I'm gonnado something about it, not just see
it and continue to be overflowingbecause a lot of us have been
overflowing for a long time.
And then it's that one little thing,you know, you have this huge stressful

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thing at work, and then you come homeand you just blow up all over everyone.
Well, because you've had this huge,long, stressful thing at work, and
you're like, why did I do that?
I didn't want, of course we didn'twant to, but could learn to slowly
let off some of the steam a littleat a time, then it, it's become so
much easier to manage the ongoingups and downs of what we're feeling.
You know what's so good about that,Alicia, is just this morning with

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coffee, I was talking to Glory andI was talking about, just I've got a
lot going on with a new role and thethings I'm working on, and and I was
just saying that I need to focus onthose things that release the steam.
Ah,
In my life.
That's an analogy that I use quite a bit.

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and I shared with her a few thingsthat are the, this is what, yeah.
we're tracking here.
it's fascinating, that lets me know theHoly Spirit is kind of jumping in here
with us or running the show or whatever.
Yeah.
I think that's good.
the thing I want you to say before wekind of move into the tools that you
have, and I think it's just going to beenough for people to say, I gotta get

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the book probably, 'cause I'm lookingat our time here because Alicia, I
think there are a number of people inour culture and society, even people
that are sitting in churches and wouldcall themselves followers of Christ,
that they really do believe thatcircumstances or culture or the way they
were raised or their situation or theirwork situation, family, whether all of

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those things are controlling, polling
Mm-hmm.
their pot, that fire,everything like that.
And they don't really have thatmuch, if any, control over that.
Say something to those peoplethat are going, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't, I don't, I can't really, Idon't, I've got too much going on.

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I'm a mom, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
they're right and they'rewrong at the same time.
You wanna know why?
Because you, you cannot control the levelof the fire underneath you sometimes.
And that is part ofunderstanding your emotions.
You cannot tell someone who's goingthrough a cancer treatment chemo, I

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have a friend who's been going throughcancer treatment for four years.
I cannot tell her, just stopbeing stressed about that.
Like, it's gonna be okay.
Are you kidding me?
Look what she's been going through.
Now, that's true, right?
That's underneath you.
But we always have the decision of whatwe're going to do with that heat, Are

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we gonna put the top on it and justblock it off and not deal with it?
we gonna let the, the negativity and allthe stuff that we really feel and the
fear, are we gonna let that take over?
Another analogy that I use isthe air traffic controller.
The air traffic controller decides whetheror not a plane lands at an airfield.
We have the ability to say,I see that plane circling.

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I see the, the frustrations I'm feeling.
Yeah, it's annoying.
That person says that, I hatethat I have to struggle with
this, am I gonna let it land?
I can see it, but do I wanna let itland and unlock all the baggage that's
there, or am I gonna say, Hmm, no, sorry.
Moving on to the next runway.
I get to decide that.
I get to decide what I focus onbecause what I focus on determines

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what deter my actions and my beliefs.
Everything is going backto what I do with it.
So I can have that stuff thrown at me.
That fire can be underneath me.
That's a hundred percent true.
I'm not gonna deny about that.
the same time, we have a response.
We have the brain that controls, or wehave the mind that controls the brain.

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We have the mind of Christ to even helpus further control the natural things
we're thinking and working through.
So it doesn't mean that we pushthem down, we still see them.
part of the compassion.
When we talk about this modelof processing in a minute,
that's part of the compassion.
But yeah, we have to recognizethat both are present.
Both are present.
It's gonna come, the flame's gonna come.
Jesus said You will have trouble inthis world, but he also said you need

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to take control of your thoughts.
So it's both.
The cool thing is, is that.
To me is the mindset thatI was about to ask about.
So you just addressed
Yes.
Now, at least you're leaning in thatdirection of the proper mindset.
Mm-hmm.
Then you need some waysof dealing with it.

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We don't have a lot of time, and I wannado it justice here, but give us a glimpse
Yes.
of the tool that helps with this.
So let's quickly go throughwhat is called the A DD method.
The acknowledge, discern,and Decide method.
So once we figured out, okay,I'm feeling this emotion.

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Three simple things that you cando, which you'll learn more about it
in the book, emotional confidence.
First step is to acknowledge.
So just simply saying it makes sense.
I feel this way becausewhy am I feeling like this?
Why does it make sense?
I'm frustrated today.
Why does it make sense?
I'm overwhelmed and leaning intoGod's compassion for that because
he understands, he sees you in it.

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He wants to let you knowthat you're not alone in it.
This is a step that I think peoplein the church really need to hear.
'cause a lot of us are quickto go to this second step, but
that God loves us through it.
It's okay to feel it.
It's plausible.
I'm feeling this way and here's why.
Second step is to discern.
Discern, okay, I'm feeling like this,but what's true and what's not true.

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It's true that X, Y, Z, but it's nottrue that like this, this is where
we're leaning into God's clarity.
He's helping us sort throughlike stuff in a closet.
This is stuff that'strue that I need to keep.
This is stuff that's junk, that is maybeold thinking or trauma from the past,
or pity parties or fear, all the stuff.
That's not what I needto be thinking about.

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And that's playing a role here.
And then the last step is to decide, soin light of what I've seen and sensed
and what is true and not true, what isthat next best step that God has for me?
asking for his courage.
God help me to make that abilityto, let go of this, to surrender
this, to make that hard call totell the person what I need to, to

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do, to set a boundary, whatever thesituation is, what is that next step?
And the second half of that iswhere will I emotionally dwell?
So we can work through the anxietyor the fear, but then if we're not
careful, we'll go right back to it.
So where can I dwell?
thoughts, what is that truththat I need to stand on?
Maybe it's, God is faithful.

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He will be faithful through this.
God is always taking care of me.
God always loves me.
I serve an audience ofone for a people pleaser.
It doesn't need to beperfect for me to be loved.
You know, that's a perfectionist.
Things like that.
What is that place where I wanna liveemotionally as I make that decision?
So that's the process.
Acknowledge, discern, and decide.
So a couple quick things on it.

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it sounds simple, but myguess is it's not easy.
Correct.
it is simple in how it isexplained and put together.
The best way to describe it is there's Amotto for, one of my favorite games that I
like to play a board game called Othello.

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My kids always are like, mom, don'tmake me play Othello with you.
I love Othello, but themotto is, A Minute to learn.
A Lifetime to master.
I love that because I can talk throughthis in a minute and explain it to
you, but The more I get into that modeof thinking through it, the easier it
becomes, the more natural it becomes.
That's why I created the membership, theEmotional Confidence Club, because it's

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like we need to be around other peoplewho are also practicing this and working
through this and seeing, oh, well, I triedthis or I didn't do this, or whatever.
So it's a practice.
It's a simple thing to learn,but it's a practice as we do it.
My guess is, is some people arelooking for an easy answer and so
they think they'll walk throughthis once and that will be it.

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But it seems as if it, as you said,practice almost a lifestyle too.
I mean, can, does it
Very
move to that within your community?
Do you notice that?
Yeah.
So there are some things that youmay just work through in a second.
Like you just kind of can walkthrough it really quickly.
And then there's like, my friendwith cancer, you know, she's
continually having to go back throughsome of those different steps.

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really needing to acknowledge a new partof this, a new part of the diagnosis.
seeing, oh, this new fear is coming upor this new thing, and that's not true.
That's not what, whatGod wants me to focus on.
So we're continually using this aslike a lifestyle, like a guide to
help us as we're walking through it.
So it's good for those kind oflong-term things we're walking
through, or even in the moment.
Okay, how can I work through this in amore efficient way or helpful way for me?

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And honestly as you start off thisconversation, what you said, how
can I use the everyday emotions thatI have with Jesus in a real way?
I can't think of a more honest,vulnerable way to get to know the Lord
than to be real with your emotionswith him in a thing like this.
Yeah, that's very good.
Why don't you, I think I've got onemore question after this, but Alicia,

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tell us where to find all your stuff.
You got membership, yougot podcasts, you got book.
We'll include things down in the notes.
But for those that might just be listeningin, just go ahead and give us, your pitch.
Tell me where your stuff is.
well I try to make it simple.
my website is alicia michelle.com, soit's A-L-I-C-I-A-M-I-C-H-E-L-L e.com.

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And you can go there tofind out about the club.
I have a program called theChristian Mindset Makeover.
you can find the podcast anywhereor on the site too, but it's
called the Christian Mindset Coach.
Honestly, the best way to connect withme is to reach out to me on social.
I love talking on Instagram or Facebook.
It's at Alicia Michelle,coach, or I think on Facebook.

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It's at the Alicia Michelle, coach.
Don't ask me why I got setup like that, but it is.
if anyone listening wants to talkfurther about these things, please
send me a dm. Let's talk further.
I love just quick calls likethis or just talking about some
of these things in a deeper way.
So yeah, reach out and let'scontinue the conversation.
Very good, Alicia.
If somebody's listening in and they feelas if their emotions are getting the

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best of them or they're frustrated withthings, or they may be like old you.
Mm-hmm.
give you just a few sec. I, I wouldlike you to speak directly to them.
As we finish up here.
why don't you just offer a wordof encouragement for someone
who's still sticking around, butthey may be struggling with some
of the stuff we talked about.
I would say that you are a whole person.

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You're not just a job, you're notjust a mom, you're not just a dad.
that you're not just abody, you are a soul.
you also have a physical body.
Everything works together in your body.
if you are feeling it is likea check engine light for your
soul of what's happening.
It's not that you, see acheck engine light, we don't

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have to pull over right then.
And oh my gosh, I have tochange my tires right now.
No, probably not.
So if you're sensing some ofthese things going off, know
that it's not that you're broken.
It's that God is trying to usethis very natural part of how he's
created you to say, Hey, this littlepart of you, I wanna help you.

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I really don't want it to becomesomething in your life that requires
you to be in bed for nine months.
I don't wanna have to get yourattention in this way, but know
that if I don't let you see this,it's gonna affect your health.
It's gonna affect your relationships.
There is no way that it cannotaffect these other areas.
So just take some time with me bringit before me and let me help you

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kind of work through what it could beabout, just sitting down in the quiet
and starting to unpack some of that.
That would be the very first step Iwould say, is what could this be about?
Bring it before God.
Let him help you see what itis, and don't be afraid to see
it, because a lot of times we'relike, I don't even wanna see it.
That's really scary.
Then what do I do with it?
Well, again, this book is a greatplace to go if you're not sure what

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to do with it, how to process it.
This is a great place to start.
I love it.
Alicia, Michelle, thank you.
Enjoyed the conversation.
The book is, this is on my Kindle here.
Emotional confidence forthose watching on YouTube.
You could see the cover probably.
I bet it looks a lot better in real book.
There's the real one.
Yeah.
Look at those colors andall that much better.

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Three simple steps to manageemotions with science and scripture.
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