The Power of Pause: Faith, Decision-Making, and Leadership with Tamara Jackson

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there are no guarantees here.

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It is truly, I've gotta trust God tocome up with a plan to get people in
here that are actually going to payme so that I can cover these expenses.
Like, that's a very different feeling.
And for me, there's a lot of anxietyaround it because it's, like you said,
it's two completely different worlds.
What I thought was stress in thecorporate environment, just did

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not compare to making those bigsteps in the entrepreneurial space.
What happens when you combine faith?
Innovation and purpose inthe boardroom and beyond.

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Hmm
Today on Seek, go createthe leadership journey.
We welcome Tamara Jackson, a faith-basedleadership consultant, visionary founder
of Beacon Ship and CEO of Lead Reviver.
With a background in Fortune 500 executiveleadership and a Heart for Spirit-led
transformation, Tamara equips faith-drivenleaders to reimagine how they lead,

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give, and engage in a digital world.
hmm.
AI powered sales strategy to spirit-leddecision making, this conversation
explores how deep purpose can drive realimpact across industries and generations.
Tamara, welcome to Seek Go create.
Tim, thank you so much.
I'm glad to be here.

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You make me sound amazing,so thank you for that intro.
You are amazing andthat's why you're here.
That's what this is all about.
It's just to shine thespotlight on amazing.
And
Hmm.
I'm forward to this conversation.
I love doing the research for peoplebecause I learn things about, you
know, what their dog's name isand, you know, the important stuff

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The important stuff.
So, and then you get to learn aboutthis guy that lives in an RV and
Very cool.
That's not for me.
Not for me, no.
Part of our journey is knowingwhat God wants us to do
yes.
And that's what we'regonna talk about here.
Hmm.
Tamara first though, let's diveinto the deep end of the pool.

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Mm-hmm.
And your first question is, wouldyou rather answer, what do you do?
Or who are you?
Who am I?
So I am the daughter of Jimmy and Deborah.
I am a child of God.
I am the dog mom to Spencer.

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My pride and joy, and I am aperson that is passionate about the
intersection of faith and business.
growing up, I grew up in the church.
Nine years old, I got saved.
Some people call that fire insurance.
And I'll be honest, that's partof what kind of drew me in is
like I knew based on the sermons,that's not where I wanted to go.

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So I gave my life to Christ andI spent a lot of time in church.
One of the big challenges for me, Tim,though, was it sounded like in order to
say yes to ministry and serving God thatthat answer was behind the pulpit or
teaching Sunday school or Bible study.

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And I've done all of those things.
they're important and they'remeaningful, but for me.
I just knew at a very youngage that business was something
that I really enjoyed.
I wasn't sure growing up, I even lookedback at, you know, some of my yearbooks.
I said, either I'll go up the corporateladder or I'll run my own business.

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As you've shared, I ended up doingboth, but I knew from a very early age I
wanted to operate in the business space.
And when I was growing up, I didn'treally see that that was a path.
It was like they're two separate worlds.
You serve God in church onSunday, throughout the week you
may do missionary work, all ofthese things that serving God.

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And then you go to work, you earn money sothat you can so that you can give, right?
And as I started to grow up and beexposed to different people with different
ideas, I started to see that there wereother people like me that wanted to
serve God, but they wanted to do it.
By being an actress or running anonprofit that had an impact on

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children or just all the gamut, right?
And as I discovered that there weremore people like me, I wanted to
create a space so that those that arecoming up, whether they are young, very
young, like I was in church, or maybethey're a teenager in their twenties
or thirties, they can realize that youcan serve God in a business capacity.

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So that's my short answer to who is Tam?
Well, the cool thing about thatanswer is that you open up a lot
of doors to some other things
Yeah.
and the other things, Tamara, it's, thisis like a theme that we keep seeing.
I mean, I'm even thinking back to aninterview that was with Mike Bearers,

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like one of our second interviews,like early on in this podcast five
plus years ago, where we talked aboutthat tension between full-time ministry
Yeah.
marketplace.
Yeah.
and, and I cannot for the life of meunderstand or figure out, maybe you've got
some insight on this, it is that so many.

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Achievers, leaders, whatever, as if theonly or the best way that they can serve
God standing behind the pulpit, full-timeministry or jumping on a plane and go
spending time in a hut in Africa, whichthere's nothing wrong with any of that,
Yeah.
but why is it that wefeel that tug and pull?

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where's that coming from?
Because I'll go ahead and be blunt here.
It's not biblical.
Agreed.
So where is it coming from?
Because you said you had it like almostright at the time you were saved.
Like it was something in culture or
Yeah.
world
Yeah.
and for me and others that I've talkedto, it's exactly what you just said.

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It's the conversations thatwere happening in church.
because the conversations were aboutministry, missionary work, things of that
nature, and there were no conversationsabout serving God in the marketplace.
It wasn't like a blatant, youcan't do this, but because it

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wasn't a topic of conversation,it just felt like it didn't fit.
there were a few people in my church,my mom was one of them who decided,
listen, I actually, appreciate andrecognize the value of the marketplace.
There were not a lot of peoplethat held that viewpoint.
And so it was, for me, it was kind of,where most of the attention is focused.

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So because most of the attention wasfocused on, serving in a pulpit or
doing ministry related activities,it just didn't add up for me.
And I've encountered so manyothers that that's exactly the
problem that they're running into.
And so I think it's about havingexamples that are doing it,

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that are being vocal about.
How they are serving God intheir marketplace, arena.
And then creating a spacefor that to be talked about.
Like now there are churches thathave, life groups and things
that center around those topics.
But when I was growingup that did not exist.
There is Sunday school andthere is Wednesday Bible study.

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There was no path for I wannabe a faith-based entrepreneur.
And I think if we want people torecognize that they can use their gift
skills and talents in those capacities,to your point, it's not biblical.
You know, many of the people thatwe read about, we study and we
admire, they were in the marketplace.
But that wasn't highlightedfor my experience growing up.

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And I think that's what's important.
We need to do a better job of that.
I'm doing, I guess it's a study.
I'm immersing myself in theletters of Paul, the epistles.
I'm attempting to put myself into theplace of the people receiving his letters.
Hmm.
I can understand the Bible was written to.

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I believe it was writtenfor us, but I don't,
Yeah.
written to us.
Yeah.
but anyway, and you knowwhat, Paul was very clear.
You know, I've gone through, Thessaloniansand he was very clear that he was working.
Absolutely.
He was working while he was doingall these things with these churches.
I do know this in my Bibleschool experience and other

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experience, that you just feellike this is gonna be blunt, that
It's okay.
Just send me the check.
And we appreciate you, Tim.
You've got a different mindset.
Yeah,
you are always, you're going,going, going, but church world
is a little bit different.
is different.
here's a yellow vest.

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Go work out in the parking lotand report to a 21-year-old
Hmm.
guy that's in charge of the parking lot.
That's how we're gonna use your skills.
And I'm going, nah,
It's so much more.
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't like, but I thinka lot of that's changing
It is changing.
in here,
Yeah.
so when did that start changing for you?

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What was some of the thingsthat caused the change?
Yeah.
So for me it was changed environment.
the church that I grew upin was not the church that I
ended up learning these things.
I grew up in Richmond, Virginia, small.
City area, but not asprogressive as some other cities.
it turns out that God would redirectme as I got into my early thirties.

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I was still in a corporate environmentand I came to Charlotte, North
Carolina for a business trip.
And during that trip there wassomething in me that was like, man,
this is a really beautiful city.
And I started, you know, thinkingabout the opportunity that could
be here and before I knew it.

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I packed up and I was moving to Charlotte,North Carolina, and one of the blessings
that came out of it was that I gotplugged into a church, the Park Ministries
here in Charlotte, North Carolina.
And in that spaces where I startedto recognize that not everyone
saw things the same way and thatthere were different paths that you

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could take in order to serve God.
And I, I had people actually a part ofthat church that affirmed and said, no,
those gift skills and talents that Godis giving you, we actually need those.
So we're getting ready to do a 5K andwe need your project management skill.
and so.
Seeing that the skills and thetalents that I had could actually

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help advance ministry, like beinggiven the opportunity to do that
is what helped it start to click.
For me.
That, listen, these don't haveto be two separate worlds.
I can leverage the things thatGod has given me to make a
difference for the kingdom.
So this is, I think we're mature here.
We could have this conversation.
Sure.

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also a few variablesthat kick in with this.
is at times the male female,
Yes.
and then I'm gonna ask you alittle bit about the culture.
And again, this is matureconversation, you know, the culture
of the church you grew up in andthen the church you moved to.
Because, I also think some of that canbe baked into, I'll be blunt, white

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church or African American churchand things like that, even though
Yeah.
did you go to what I think we'll calla multicultural church growing up?
or did everybody look like you.
everybody.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
You, you could, you couldkeep it 100 with me.
Everyone looked like me in my church.
It was also relatively smallPentecostal, by denomination.

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And so there were a lot of rulesabout what to do and what not to do.
things felt very black and white, andI'm not saying that there certainly
aren't boundaries that we need to operatewithin, but things were very strict.
And so the culture, was one of, youknow, this is the path to holiness.

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This is the path to pleasing God.
And so most of the conversationreally centered around that.
So I didn't really feel as thoughthe rest of my life outside of.
Being in church and hopefullydrawing others to Christ.
there just wasn't a lot ofconversation around that.
Now, when I moved to Charlotte,the Church Park Ministries is

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also a predominantly black church.
However, what I found is that therewas an openness for a diversity
of viewpoints of cultures.
It was non-denominational, kind of feel.
Even though it technically is a Baptistchurch, it wasn't pushed that, everyone
has to do this or that, and everyonehas to believe this certain way.

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It was more about developing arelationship with Christ, and that's what
I really took away from that experienceat the Park Ministries is Tam, what's
most important is that you need tobuild a true relationship with God.
And what does that look like?
For you and how is God calling you touse the gifts, talents, and experiences

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that you've had to bring glory to him.
And that was just a differentconversation, than the one
that I experienced growing up.
The good thing about that relationship,it's, and, and I'm just almost
restating what you said, is thatwe're not all gonna fit into that one
thing that everybody thinks we look.

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That that's when, know, I'll, I'llthrow a word in here that shouldn't
be divisive, but it is diversity.
Yeah.
'cause we were all createdwith a uniqueness and gifts and
talents and things like that.
And I think part of our journey,
Hmm.
Is to identify what those are.
Absolutely.
in God's kingdom is say, okay, God, what?

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What'd you make me for?
Because I got some issues and I knowI can irritate people and can ask
questions and nobody else will ask.
I can guarantee you that, Tamara,
But we need that.
I.
Absolutely, that's what I was gonna say.
A body of Christ and scripture talksabout how the different parts of
the body serve different purposes.

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Right.
And so if everyone was the same,I don't know where we would be.
We wouldn't be very effective in anything.
We would all think the same way.
And how dangerous would that be?
I think there's a reasonthat it's a community.
There are gonna be some things thatyou're really great at, Tim, that I
need your insight and perspective for.
And then there are going to be some thingsthat, based on the experiences that I've

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had that I'm gonna be able to share on.
And I think that is by design.
we weren't designed to operate in thiscocoon and only have people around
us that think exactly the same way,have the same experiences growing up
and have the same gifts and talents.
that just wasn't the design.
So going from Richmond to Charlottewas obviously a significant,

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Yeah.
change adjustment, expansion,whatever for what you were doing.
What are some other things, a coupleof 'em that we need to know about
your journey that were significantalong the way that have kind led
you to the place you are now?
Yeah,
of the high points or low points.
'cause some of mine were
it's a.
that I learned more from themthan I do some of the good times.

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That's so true.
So I would say the next one thatwould be important to to highlight
here would be something that happenednot long after I moved to Charlotte.
So I moved here in 2009 and I was inthe process of getting my master's
degree, which consumed a lot of mytime along with my corporate career.

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But I started getting this pull,this tug to be able to speak to women
in particular about their health.
And that was because I had gone onthis journey of figuring out how.
To make exercise a habit,how to eat healthier.

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And I realized that many of the womenaround me also struggled with this area.
So what that looked like for me wasstarting a small workout and bible study
community at my church, at the Parkministries that gave the flexibility
to meet on Saturdays in the gym.
We did a brief workout and thenwe transitioned to Bible study

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specifically talking about, wellnessfrom a biblical perspective.
And that's when I started.
I'd, I'd say that was kind of the.
First step into how do Icombine these two things?
Because that grew into a businesswhere I was actually offering training
classes, physical fitness trainingclasses, but we were also studying the

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word of God, you know, how does God,want us to think about our temples?
So that was kind of the first fourway into combining those two worlds.
It was my first stepinto entrepreneurship.
So I officially became anentrepreneur, entrepreneur in 2013.
and I like to say.

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Tim, that that journey hasbeen a, an up and down one.
You talked about some of the, thelow experiences have been the ones
that have taught you the most.
And the same is true for me.
You know, I went into entrepreneurshipas many people do, wanting to make a
difference, wanting to help people.
it wasn't really about the money, but whatI quickly realized is that really sticking

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to the principles of money management andbeing a good steward also impacted how
effective I was at running a business.
So some of the things that I took forgranted in the corporate world, like.
There was a lot of things thatI had the benefit of, right?
They had their own brand.
I didn't have to create my own,they had their own website.

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I didn't have to figure that out.
Like there were all of these thingsthat were kind of done for you and
baked in, and it was really aboutyou bringing your talent to the job.
I quickly learned that as a businessowner, I actually have to know
all these things myself, right?
And so there was a journey of learningand discovering and making what I like

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to call a lot of expensive mistakes.
The things were starting to kindof go in the right direction.
I was starting to get, some traction and Iwas like, okay, I finally figured it out.
We moved into our own facilityhere in Charlotte, North Carolina.
this is 2019.
Summer 2019.

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it was a highlight I thought of myentrepreneurial journey because I thought
this is the thing that I've always wantedto be able to have my own space to be able
to not have to worry about, you know, anyrules of, you know, talking about God.
I could do that whenever I wanted.
It's my own place.
I don't have to worry about likegetting on a calendar to hold our
classes like ultimate freedom.

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But what I did not realize is that2020 would bring what it did, right?
So I had signed a three year leaseon a facility that I could not go in.
talk about rollercoaster moments.
I went from on top of the world June,2019 to feeling down in the dumps.

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by March when I realized.
That what I thought was a two weekhiatus was actually gonna be months.
So that was definitely avalley experience for me.
Now, I could keep going.
I got so much that I can say,but I wanna take a breath there
to see if you have any thought?
so, here's what I'm going to say.
That's gonna sound harsh.

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Hmm.
So Covid was your fault becauseyou said you figured it all
I thought I did.
right after you announced to the world,
Yeah,
and everyone I havefinally figured it out,
yeah,
A worldwide pandemic happens.
yeah.
I thought 2008 was like that for me.
I mean, we had real estate companies and
Mm.

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we're doing pretty darn good.
I like where we're at, God, I got this.
You can go take care of somebody else.
Yeah.
So that was 2008
Mm-hmm.
I'm really joking, but
Yeah.
we're laughing at a situationthat's not laughable
It's tough.
so here's what I want you to compare.
Hmm.
I think I heard you on one of yourpodcasts, I think on, beacon Ship.

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Yes,
of it,
that's right.
I heard you talk about one ofthe scriptures that's important
to you, and it was in Proverbsand it was the trust in the Lord.
I can't quote scripture
Mm-hmm
Trust in the Lord.
so I want you to compare here for thenext 10 seconds or 10 minutes or whatever.
is the difference?
Between trusting in the Lord whenyou work in a corporate setting

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hmm.
versus trusting in the Lord when youare all of a sudden hanging out over
there, signing a three year list.
When a worldwide pandemic'sabout to happen, compare the two.
'cause sometimes people don'tunderstand if they get a
paycheck every two weeks, they
It's very different.
and, and then sometimes we don'tappreciate that level of, don't wanna
say comfort, but there's a lot going

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Yeah.
So talk about those two.
'cause you've lived them both.
Yeah, no, it's nightand day difference, Tim.
because there's, there's, yes, youare trusting God, at least I'll say
for me, I'm trusting God for God.
I need to be able to pulltogether this presentation.
I need you to go in here with mebecause I'm about to make this pitch
and I need you to prepare my heart.

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I need you to prepare, you know,the, the executives so that
they'll be ready to receive it.
God, I need you to, to walk withme as I'm launching this project.
And so I was definitely trustingGod, but I was also, as you said,
getting paid on the first andthe 15th, like clockwork, right?
and so there's a difference between thatand signing a lease for a building and

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being responsible for making payments,whether you are operating or not.
This is, there are no guarantees here.
It is truly, I've gotta trust God tocome up with a plan to get people in
here that are actually going to payme so that I can cover these expenses.
Like, that's a very different feeling.
And for me, there's a lot of anxietyaround it because it's, like you said,

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it's two completely different worlds.
What I thought was stress in thecorporate environment, just did
not compare to making those bigsteps in the entrepreneurial space.
Now, I will say for me, Tim, I like tomake sure that I, am clear about this.
At that time, I was still in corporate, soI was trying to straddle, and so a lot of

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people will be able to identify with me.
It's like, Hey, I wanna holdon to this corporate career.
Transparently this corporate paycheck andall the benefits that come along with it.
But I also feel like God iscalling me to do something else.
And so I was trying to holdboth of these things down.
some of my corporate pay wasgetting eaten up by this, this three

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year lease that I've now signed.
I grew to know Jesus so much more andso much deeper the more that I started
to, embrace, that entrepreneurial world.
Yeah.
it can get so, complex.
Now, I grew up, when I got saved,when I say grew up, it was my late
twenties, but I was in and aroundwhat, many term Pentecostal, but it

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also had a prosperity gospel flavor
mm-hmm.
it, which fed my business, greed lands.
And so I started looking at God, this isthe God we've had to work through this.
Me and God started looking at him assort of an ATM machine, that if something
got bad for me, God, you need to fixthis 'cause I'm on your team now.

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Yeah.
and I think sometimes that canwork its way into entrepreneurship.
Did you have anything like that?
'cause you said you used thewords, we often use God called you.
Yeah.
felt like that was what God wantedyou to do to sign that lease
and to set up that business.
And then all of a sudden you'relooking at the paper, you're

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looking at everything shut down.
I'm sure you can't get togetherand let's all get in a group
setting and hug each other
No.
a pandemic's going on and workout together and stuff like that.
No, that's not gonna happen.
were you at any time thinking, oh,God's gonna bail me out, or, God, this
is your issue, you better handle it.
Or any, anything like that?
Yeah.

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I think for me, Tim, I kindof went back and forth.
There were times where I was like,God, I need you to come through for me.
I mean, I remember distinctly goingthrough a very specific Bible plan where
I was seeking God for rent and all thethings, that I needed because I didn't
know how I was gonna cover these things.
but then there were also moments whereI was like, God, did I miss something?

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Like, was I really supposed to do this?
Was I really supposed to sign this lease?
and there were moments, of course, atleast for me, Tim, that as I was making,
the decisions, there were moments whereI was kind of like, I'm not really sure.
And so then that became, wellman, maybe that was your sign.
Maybe that was your indicationthat you shouldn't have done this.
So I went back and forth between.

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You messed this up, you made amistake, and God, no, but I think
you did call me to this, so Ineed you to help me out here.
and so for me it was kind of a back andforth, but what I will say it did do
that I took away from that experiencethat I was not as diligent with going
into that is it took me to my knees.
It got me to a place of I need to talkto God on a regular basis about this

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because I know regardless of how I gothere, I know I don't have the answers.
So the only person that I think canhelp me in this situation is God.
Like this wasn't a callyour mom and bail you out.
This wasn't a get alone.
And, all the problems are solved.
I needed God to come through for me.
And so it drew me closer to himbecause at least in that moment,

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I recognized that I needed him.
Yeah, and, and it's interesting, I cantell that you probably from an early age
would be what we would determine whatwe would probably call a high achiever.
I'm guessing you probablydid well in school.
Yeah.
that you organized stuffand people probably followed
you and things like that.

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Yeah.
That happens sometimes.
so my observation is thatsometimes we will, I don't want to
describe you as cocky or arrogant.
I could describe myself.
We kind of get to this place where,all right, God, you know what?
with you.
I'm on your team, but you could gohelp, those that are, trying to barely
squeeze a nickel outta their paycheck.

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Yeah.
I, I'm, I've got all this,and my journey has been, and I
don't even know if I'm there yet
Hmm.
I don't want to even be so cocky toeven say, but total submission, not semi
Hmm.
And that's what I heard
Yeah.
you were on the team,
Oh yeah.
you also were still, felt like youcould handle some of it on your own.

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Absolutely.
statement?
Absolutely.
A hundred percent right.
and for me, Tim, it was,that wasn't the end of it.
Like there was things that continuedto unfold to, I believe, get me to a
place where I could recognize like.
You have nothing under control.
Like it's, it's literally unpredictable.

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I think we tend to want to believe thatlife is predictable I trust that if I
sit down in this chair that it's gonnahold me up and I'm not gonna fall down.
So there, there are things like thatthat kinda lull us to a belief that
tomorrow is going to be the same as today.
But as things unfolded for me in theyears that followed, 2019 was just the

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beginning, it became clear, more and morelike, man, like you can see the future.
You don't know what's going to happen.
And because you can't, you are vulnerable.
And so you really need to surrenderto the one that does know what's
going to happen tomorrow and twoyears from now and 20 years from now.

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So how do we know, or howhave you maybe developed?
and I, and I don't, I don't thinkeither one of us wanna present
ourselves as we have arrived and we
Oh no, absolutely not.
are you now better
Hmm.
at knowing that his plans or your plansand that your plans are his plans?

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how do you connecting that betterthan you did say, in 2019 and 20?
Yeah.
Or, or have you learned that?
I mean, I, hope I have, but
Yeah.
how would you respond to that?
So what I would say is that I'mlearning that I would not say that I
have a hundred percent figured it out.

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but what I can say, Tim, is that theexperiences helped to make it really
clear to me that I needed to slow down.
I needed to slow down because Iwould look at things and I would
assume, and I've heard others do itas well, I think it's pretty common.
Well, that's a sign that I shouldmove in this direction, or I

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should not move in that direction.
Maybe that's a block andI shouldn't move forward.
And what I have learned is that I wouldn'tbe so quick to assume that it's a sign.
One of the best things that I coulddo to really get clear on what
God wants me to do is to pause.
Like just literally give yourself thespace to really process the decision

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that is in front of you, to gatherinformation about, what the options are.
what is there that's out there that cantell you a little bit more about this.
Other than just your knowledge, who elsecan you talk to to get more insight?
Like, I just realized that a lotof the decisions that ended up.
In retrospect, not being greatdecisions were, because I did not slow

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down and I did not do my research.
So those are some things that arereally crystal clear to me right now.
I can't say that I always get that right,Tim, but that's, those are the things
that I now try to really, really do.
Maybe I need to give myself 24 hoursbefore I say anything about this.
And sometimes stem, sometimes people getfrustrated with me because sometimes it's

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not 24 hours, sometimes it's two weeks.
I know now that what I amlooking for is a sense of peace.
That the path that I am going down isthe path that God is calling me to.
And I have done, to, use a business term,I have done a degree of due diligence.
I think sometimes we just quicklyjump to something and we don't give

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ourselves the space to really slowdown and think through and pray through
the decisions that we're making.
And that's what I would say thatI've learned to do now, that
I would not have done in 2019.
transparently, even some of the yearsthat followed, I would kind of pray over
what I was doing, not stop, take thedecision to God should I be doing this?

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Gathering the information on the options.
I just wasn't doing that.
And part of it for me, Tim, kindof goes back to the experience
that I described as a kid.
I heard people say youshould pray about it.
and I knew that, but what exactly doesthat mean and what exactly does that
look like when I'm making a decision?

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I didn't have a goodreference point for that.
And so I felt like if I prayedand there wasn't this, no tam, you
shouldn't do that, then that mustbe a green light to move forward.
And I've learned that,that is not necessarily so.
Well, and this is, I know you mentionedkind of the culture that you grew up in,

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but were there many people that were wiredthe way you were wired or did you look at
yourself as like going, not that you'rebetter than them or anything like that,
but you were the one that got things done?
Yeah, I was different.
Yeah,
definitely different.
and I could sort of relate to that.
All right.
I'm, not done with that topic, but I'mgonna layer in something and I want

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to ask, what would you say is or areyour superpower, your superpowers?
Hmm.
and maybe I'll ask you another,what were you created for?
what did God say?
Tamara is going to be blank.
This is how we're gonna wire her.
Hmm.
So when I think about thatquestion, Tim, I actually think

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about, my experiences with others.
for a long time I didn't knowthe answer to that question.
I was trying to figure it out, toa degree in the business, space.
Like, okay, I'm good at a lot of differentthings and, and I don't know if you
know, you or anyone that's watching orlistening to us can identify with that.
I'm one of those people.
I'm not a jack of all trades, but Iliterally know a lot about a lot of

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things, don't know everything, right?
The challenge with that is.
That when you're good at a lot ofthings, you have a lot of options.
So then you start thinking, well, gosh,what is it that I am supposed to do?
And part of solving the answer to thatcame actually in the corporate space
from a manager that I was working for.

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And he said, you know, Tamara,I need you to stop thinking
about a job title or a role.
I need you to focus on thethings that you are good at.
And when he shared thatwith me, I was like.
Oh, so it's not about likegetting this certain title.
It's about what am I good atand how can I deploy that for

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the benefit of the business?
And that was the first time thatI actually had the opportunity
to design my own role.
But it was so fun for me because forthe first time I could really stop and
think about, okay, what are the thingsthat I can bring not focus on like
this certain promotional pathway oranything like that, but what can I bring

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to this business to make it better?
And that's when I started torealize, okay, the organization
and the process piece, that'sjust naturally how my brain works.
I know that that's notthe case for everyone.
So that's something thatI can bring to any space.
It doesn't matter whatwe're talking about.
I automatically will see.

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Okay.
Here's how we can put a process in placeto help move this initiative forward
and not make it this big overwhelmingtask that could never be completed.
I can think about how toconvert that into little steps.
so that's one of the thingsthat I am here to do.
the other piece of it is to getpeople ignited and excited about

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what God has called them to do.
There is something, and I, it's weirdto me, Tim, because I am an introvert
by nature, but over time, throughdifferent experiences, God has kind of.
Pulled out this blend.
So now I kind of vacillate betweenintroversion and extroversion, at
least how people perceive it, right?

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Because I can go into an environmentand I can bring energy and I can get
people excited through speaking andtraining and things of that nature, and
get them to see that God is with themand they can accomplish the things that
maybe they thought they couldn't do.
So bringing those two thingstogether for me means empowerment.
What I believe that I am here to do isto empower people to reach their goals,

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and sometimes that's in a motivational,inspirational capacity, and sometimes it's
in a very practical capacity of here'sthe goal that we have, let's break it down
into steps, and let's make sure that youhave the accountability to make sure that
you're on the path to reach that goal.
So, as I'm listening to you here, Tamara,one of the reasons I'm spinning a little

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bit is that you and I, look different.
sound different, different backgrounds,different cultures, but some things
that the Lord has spoken to you.
I'm gonna share in just alittle bit, we'll keep people
waiting for a second here, but
Okay.
I wanna add something and I'll poseit in the form of a question I have a

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theory about, and you may either helpme back this theory up or blow it up.
We'll see,
Okay.
my guess is that youare incredibly decisive
Hmm.
when you see something, if you don'tknow the answer, you know the direction.

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Hmm.
And you're probably prettyquick and can move forward.
Thanks.
would that be correct?
In other
That would be fair.
I bet you don't sit back andgo, you know, I wonder what we
should do with this organization.
let's just,
No, not by design, no.
right.
So then my, my follow up question,and this is, I'm gonna tie it back

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to what you talked about earlier.
I'm gonna bring some stuff togetherhere, and this is gonna be extremely
valuable for least one personlistening, hopefully a lot more.
Hmm
The Lord spoke to me after 2008 whenwe went through financial collapse,
downfall, bankruptcy, homelessness,
hmm.
He said that he was going to use mein the way he created me, I needed to

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pause exact words you used earlier.
And just make sure that he and Iare locked arms on the same page
Get a little bit ahead of things
Oh yeah.
that I was so decisive and I knowthe answer and my wife will tell me.
she goes, I don't know thatI dislike what you're saying.
She goes, it's your tone that bothers me.

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You just sound like you know it all.
And in my mind I'm thinking I do,
Yeah.
I got it figured out.
I. So Tamara, we, I think that'spart of the way we are created.
I think there are peoplelistening in there that way too.
They're going, gosh, yeah,but why do I keep messing up?
So let's talk about how we pause becausethe Lord has spoken it to you and

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Yep.
How, with that skill, with thatsuperpower, how do we not allow
that superpower to be our kryptonitethat is getting us all messed up?
'cause we think we can be realdecisive and people follow us
because we're, look at them, man.
They're just Tamara's, justmaking decisions left and right.
Look how good she is at it.
Yeah.
How do we do that?

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Yeah.
the word that's gonna come, uphere, Tim, is intentionality.
If we just go on autopilot, I'm gonnado exactly what you just described,
and I've done it for most of my life.
I mean, that's the realityfor most of my life.
I looked at something, reasoned throughit, made a decision, and then prayed

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that God would be with me as I execute.
Right?
that's the reality of how mynatural bent is to operate.
And It is only through enough failureand expensive mistakes that God
has gotten me to a place of Tam.
I know that you have these skillsand you have these abilities,

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but I need you to pause.
It is only through thosesetbacks that I have learned it.
So now what does that look like?
For me, it means starting my day.
with prayer and, often with Bible studyand I'm literally studying leaders in
the Bible and how they made decisions.
Like those are the types of things thatI'm doing right now because I'm like,

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I literally am at a space to where I'mhaving to learn how to reprogram my
brain to operate a different way, right?
So it's literally prayer bible study.
how do I make better decisions?
And I'm using ai, I'm usingchat, GPT and all these great
tools to help me to do that.
But then the other piece ofit is like literally, okay,

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there's a decision to make.
I needed to create with God's help,a process that I needed to follow
because I am process oriented.
And it has helped me becausenow I see it as well.
I need to make sure that I move throughthese phases before I get to a point
where I say, this is the directionthat I am going in as a person.

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Or this is direction that we'regoing in as an organization and
that has been a game changer for me.
It doesn't mean that I've made perfectdecisions, but it has helped me to
make, at least based on where I amin that moment, the best decision
because I have slowed down enough.
To go through the steps andthe phases of that process.

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So for me, that is what has worked.
I'm sure that everyone is going to bea little bit different, but because it,
for me, I see it as, okay, God knowsthat this is the way that I'm built.
He knows I'm very process oriented.
So he gave me something thatcould work with my brain in that
capacity of, okay, here's theprocess that you need to follow.
And as I have shared it with someother people, they were like,

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oh, that makes perfect sense.
and many times people tellme, Tim, oh, I do that.
I just didn't have a name for it.
But now that you've shared it with me, nowI can actually do it more consistently.
Because without a process, withoutsteps, we can do it sometimes, and
in other times, we can push it aside.
Especially I will say for me, when I feellike I'm under pressure and I need to

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do something quickly, either because ofsomething internal that's telling me that.
Or there's external pressures, then that'swhen I tend to skip things because I feel
like I've gotta have an answer right now,or I've gotta have an answer tomorrow.
Right.
And I've even learned, you know,it's, again, like I shared earlier,
sometimes it's unpopular, but I willput something on ice in a heartbeat.

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Now I don't have an answer.
We're going to have to wait.
And if you need to move on, becauseI don't have a decision for you
right now, totally understand it.
Not gonna hold it against you.
But pressure is not, to me, it,it's not an indication that that's
the direction I need to go in.
I'm looking for peace.
And so for me, now, pressure isan automatic mm. That doesn't

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feel right for me because it, itjust doesn't feel in alignment.
And so that's what I would say from myexperience, that's the only way that
I've been able to undo, and I'm stillin the process of undoing that behavior.
Yeah, there's so many thingsabout what you just said.
There's one that really jumped out.
I'm about to get to that, butdefinitely intentionality.

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Definitely pause, be quiet, be still.
I'm very similar.
If I don't do that first thing, myday can kind of start taking over my
energy level and things will startgoing out to all of the other things.
not to over pack.
I used to myself, and that's the
me too.
on multitasking.

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Oh yeah,
don't think multitasking is.
I don't think we are supposed to do it.
no.
I think that's Babylonian.
I don't
Hmm.
kingdom.
That's good.
I really want to try tostay in this kingdom.
I can't find an example of whereJesus got in a hurry and he
Hmm
in a rush.
So if the most important
hmm.
That's good.

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mission in the history of Earthdidn't get in a rush, why does Tim
think that my little project where
That's good.
but the thing that jumped out at meabout what you said Tamara, was that
you use AI for your Bible study.
I do.
been doing that a lot too.
And you know, there's someChristians listening in
Oh, they already turned us off.

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They say, oh, nevermind.
Game over.
that is the mark of the beast.
And lemme, I wanna say why Iam liking it and then I'm gonna
let you say a little bit more
Sure.
I have recently come to realize for mostof the 30 years of my walking, attempting
to walk with the Lord and studyingfrom teachers, preachers, pastors, and

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also trying to do my own study, I havebeen listening to men in my situation
that were not biblically accurate.
Ooh.
And you know what?
I'm not throwing themunder the bus or anything
Yeah,
I want biblical accuracy.
And you know what I could get fromchat GPTI can have it with a prompt
search, the Aramaic, the Hebrew, the

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Hmm.
the English versions of the Bible.
And I could have it say, I wanna know,
Hmm.
is this biblically accurate?
Is this in the Bible?
And I could remove the personalityor the guy standing up on stage
that seems so, like he knowsso much stuff and all of that.
I enjoy that immensely.

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Oh, yes.
tell me a little bit more about your Bible
really, that's really cool.
I'm gonna take that.
that's a great tip for me.
I will tell you that as a business owner,I had been using AI since, a little bit
earlier than many people actually startedusing AI in 2021, and I was using it for
marketing, because I stumbled on a tool.

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And I was like, oh my gosh, this putstogether a really great copy and it's
saving me hours and hours of time.
So when chat GPT and all of theseother platforms kind of took the center
stage, it wasn't completely foreignto me because I knew the power of it.
And I can't even remember Tim,what caused me to take this step.
But I remember, struggling with adecision that I needed to make and

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I was like, man, it would be reallygreat if there was a way that I
could have a Bible study on this.
And so what I had kind of beentrained to do, which many people
may have, is to go to Google.
And I started Googling, the topic andlooking for articles, and I found some
stuff and I was like, nah, I don'tthink this is really what I need.
And for some reason, maybe becauseI had been using chat GPT for so

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many other things, I said, well.
Can you help me put together aBible study on this topic and
give me some different options ofbiblical leaders that I could study?
And lo and behold, in a matter ofseconds it spit out, okay, well
you've got this example, thisexample, this example, this example.
I was like, wow, I amonto something, right?

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So then once I got that, I said, well,hey, can you put together a Bible study?
Give me the scripture references andgive me some reflection questions
so that I can really make sure thatI'm processing what I am reading.
Again, in a matter of seconds,here's your study on Moses.
Here's your, here's the scripture text.
Then I could go to my bible,my concordance, all of that

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and actually do the study.
So I wasn't depending on chat GBTto give me the, the, the details.
Go do my study and then I come back and,and look at these reflection questions.
sometimes I would write myanswers more often than not,
maybe 'cause of how I am built.
I would speak my answers into my voicerecorder so that I would have them.
sometimes I would even sharemy reflections with chat GBT.

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And then it would give me these amazinginsights on, oh my gosh, you know,
here's what you learned from this.
And I'm like.
What This is amazing.
So it it, it's like, it's myown Bible study companion.
And what I tell people is, for me,the blessing of it is no matter
what I am up against, I can leverageit to help me, like through a

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biblical lens, navigate that season.
And there's nothing against traditionalbible study books and things of that
nature, but many of the ones that I'veencountered at least, it, it tends to
kind of lean on the spiritual component.
And it doesn't help me with the practicalof, I need to make a decision about, I've

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had a blow up with someone on my team.
How do I navigate this?
Gimme an example of somebody inscripture that's had to deal with this.
I need that kind of bible study becausethat's the life that I'm living.
And for me, it just has been a gamechanger because now I feel like.
I can find help for anythingthat I am up against.

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Not necessarily counting on it tobe a hundred percent accurate all
the time because I know that that'ssomething that comes up a lot.
But it's given me a direction to go in sothat I'm not starting from a blank page.
And for me, that's tremendously valuable.
I, boy, I don't, I don't wanna godown this rabbit hole, but this
conversation fascinates me becauseI've been doing the same thing.

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Tamara, I created a prompt.
That allowed me rank biblicallyaccurate teachers and preachers.
Oh wow.
and I started it because I startedrealizing that some things I'm
studying now, some things that Ithought I knew at 61 years old.
It's like, Ooh, that wasn't right.

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Where did I learn that?
Oh, I learned it from him or that
Yeah.
And again, try not to throwanybody under the bus.
Right,
but so I wrote the prompt andI said, okay, if I wanted to
gauge biblical accuracy, I'mnot looking for denominational,
I'm not looking for systems.
I'm not looking for dogmas.
Hmm.
looking for popularity.

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Let's make a list of people.
Hmm.
And then I said, okay,how about such and such?
I put a name in and itbasically tiered it for me.
Tier one, tier two, tier
Wow.
I had a lot of false teachers.
Wow.
most of my teaching hascome from tier three.
My bible school that I went
Hmm
the guy that runs it, he'stier three down at there.

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hmm.
Clean the clean houseof some of that stuff.
Yeah.
fascinating.
And I'm doing a lot of stuffnow to immerse myself into
that first century culture.
And let me tell you that chat,GPT can help with that too,
Wow.
Josephus, you can study historicalaccounts, and you can also say
what was going on with Paul whenhe was writing this letter from COR

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Yeah.
And anyway, so I,
Love it.
love that.
Love it.
But want us to pause 'cause wecould go down the path there.
I've heard you use theterm wealth transfer
Mm-hmm.
and I gotta be honest with you, Tamara,
Yep.
know if we're that,
Yep.
well
Yeah.
connected to say, Tam.
Tamara, you've used the wordwealth transfer and coming from
a prosperity gospel background,

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Yeah.
term I believe has been somewhat misused.
Hmm.
then I've heard you describe it
Hmm.
So tell me more about what you talk aboutwhen you're talking about what transfer.
Yeah, so I'll be honest, Tim, andeveryone that's listening, it wasn't
something that was on my radaruntil I personally experienced it.
one of those rollercoaster experienceswas my mom being diagnosed with

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stage four breast cancer in 2022.
when that happened, I made the decisionto leave Charlotte, North Carolina,
move back to Richmond, Virginiaand be there to take care of her.
I wanted to make sure that she had,the support to go through chemo.
She wanted to keep working.
Which is crazy to me, but, she did.
so I wanted to supporther through that process.

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Well, unfortunately things started todecline and then we started to have
conversations about an inheritance.
And Tim, I had never, literally never inmy life, ever even bothered to think that
there was anything, because in my mind, Iwas remembering my experience growing up.
You know, my mom workeda really demanding job.

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She worked a lot of hours.
She didn't get paid that well, and sheeventually went back to school, started a
new career path, and things turned around.
But in my brain, thatmeant nothing for me.
But now all of a sudden we werehaving these conversations about.
Here's what your inheritanceis gonna look like.
I was completely blindsided.

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And then as I realized and started todo some real research, I realized, oh my
gosh, there are all of these boomers thatare out here that, have had similar paths.
Like my mom.
They, you know, things started tocome together for them financially.
They were able to save and invest.
And they are now at a point wherethey're having to make decisions about

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what they're going to do with that.
And that's what we callthe Great Wealth Transfer.
And for some people, like mymom, it's, Hey, I want to be
a blessing to my children.
For other people, it's, I wantto, give at least a portion
of that to a certain charity.
For others, it's going to mean, Hey,this business that I've spent all

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these years, growing and nurturing,someone needs to take it over.
Who is that next person gonna be?
Who's my successor?
So when I think about the GreatWealth Transfer, I think about all
of this influence, these investments,this income, these businesses that
are going to be changing handsover the next couple of decades.

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And the question is, am I prepared?
Am I prepared to be able tosteward this transfer effectively?
Hmm.
And the reason I love that, 'cause it, I,it originally I went, Ooh, well transfer.
'cause it used to be in, in some of the
Yeah.
went to is that old evil

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Yeah.
have all that money.
God's going to take itfrom them and give it to
Yep.
but you're talking about thisnatural progression and it is huge.
Yeah.
$84 trillion.
so what has that been like for you?
What can you, obviously, youmay not wanna give details,
Yeah.
tell me some, things that have beena blessing and some things that may
have been a little bit of a burden
Yeah.

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Well, I was quite honestly ill prepared.
when I have conversations with myfinancial advisor and he takes me
back to once my mother unfortunatelytransitioned off the sea.
He, like, you were completely paralyzed.
And I, I heard him say it and I was like.
That sounds so bad, but whenI reflect it was the truth.
I was like, oh my gosh, I have theseresources that I've never had in my life.

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I have no idea what I'm supposedto do, how I'm supposed to do it.
And thankfully, I was able to findsomeone that had a kingdom perspective
on that and was able to help me navigate.
But I was scared to death because Ididn't want to, blow this opportunity
that my mom and God had given me.

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I wanted to be a good steward.
But at the same time, I didn't haveany background or experience in it.
so for me, that kickstarted a journeyof, okay, how do I learn how to
steward these resources effectively?
How do I make decisions about money?
Now, when you have an opportunity to giveand it's more than a hundred dollars,

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how do you decide whether you're gonnasupport this cause or this cause?
it's kind of crazy when I think aboutit, it's like there's this whole other
set of questions and this whole otherculture that I quite honestly never
knew existed because I wasn't exposedto anyone that lived that type of life.
I wasn't really taughtlike, here's how you do it.

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Like.
Literally, I was having thisconversation months before my
mother was transitioning off thescene, and it wasn't my main focus.
My main focus was being there for her.
So I had to learn and am still learning,and that's one of the reasons why
I interview people that can help mekind of get my mindset right on this.
I'm having to learn, okay, howdo I need to think about this?

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Because my thinking has to bein alignment before my behavior
is going to be in alignment.
Yeah, there's so much there.
And what's interesting isI earlier talked about how
you are and you're wired to, and itsounds like you were hit with a situation
that you were undecisive, you didn't

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I didn't know
It was like, it took,
that's true.
of that away.
So that, and I think that'shealthy for us at times.
'cause sometimes it's like, this isthe Lord saying this is an opportunity.
People don't understand.
You try to write a big check.
And big is relative, by
Yeah.
try to write a big check to afew ministries or churches or
something like that and seewhat kind of issues that causes.

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Absolutely.
like a whole differentcategory to get into.
So anyway, that's really good.
And I know that that's anaudience that you're now serving.
Yeah.
me, I've got a couple quick questionsas we wrap up here, the first one
is tell me who all you serve and
Mm-hmm.
this is a kind of apromotion time for you.

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Tell us all that you have to serve them.
We'll include all that we can down innotes, but just give, you know, you've
got podcast and all of these things.
So go ahead and tell us thatnow and then we've got one more
question I wanna wrap up with.
Thank you for the opportunity to share.
So, first what I would say is the way thatI service through the Beacon Show Podcast.
we bring on faith-basedleaders in all capacities.

(57:08):
some serve in ministry, some serve inthe marketplace, and we showcase these
leaders because what I have found ismany people want to know the path.
So how do I get from where I am and thisidea that I believe that God has given me
to really being able to make a difference?
And that show is really geared towardsthe next generation of leaders.
So I think about thosethat are, 40 and under.

(57:32):
I celebrated 51 yearson the planet this year.
so it's really for thosethat are coming up now.
Have a desire to make a difference andjust really want that virtual mentor
that can walk them through the process.
The second piece that I'll highlight, iscalled the Beacon of Excellence Scorecard.
So this is a scorecard that I haveput together as I have been learning

(57:52):
about how to make good decisions whenyou're investing in people and causes.
It's a mix of some things that Ilearned in my underwriting background
back in corporate, and conversationsthat I've had with people that write
big checks much bigger than mine.
and so the scorecard is designedto help those that are looking for
donors and investors understand whatpeople are looking for, because many

(58:17):
times we're hoping for something,we're believing for something, but we
don't know how to position ourselves.
So the Beacon of Excellence Scorecardis designed to answer that question.
You can take it for free on our website.
And then the last piece of the puzzlethat I serve with Beacon Chip is
organizations that are helping totrain the next generation of leaders.

(58:38):
So, for example, right now I'mworking with, the Charlotte,
redemptive entrepreneurship labhere in Charlotte, North Carolina.
We have a group of seven founders thatare learning how to put together their
pitch deck so that they can actuallyspeak to their venture from a kingdom
perspective and be able to attractthe donors and the investors that have
the ability to sow into their venture.

(59:00):
So we wanna help them really be ableto tell the story, which believe it or
not, is not always an easy thing to do.
you know, This is a support thatyou're looking for, but how do
I package that in a way thatpeople can get it when sometimes
I only have five minutes to do so?
So I'm honored to be able to partnerwith organizations, that are often

(59:21):
nonprofit incubators and accelerators tohelp their founders put all those pieces
together so they can be equipped tospeak to their venture with confidence.
So those are the three things that I wouldhighlight that, I'm really excited about
doing in the beacon chip world right now.
Very good.
We'll include some links downto the podcast and also to the
website so people can click there.

(59:42):
Tamara, my final question,this is what I'm gonna call
my exclamation point question.
you mentioned that you reallyminister to people that are under 40
Mm-hmm.
that are probably going along thepath that you were going along.
Yeah.
path that I was going along.
I'm gonna give you just, and this needsto come with a punch 'cause we're,
we're going pretty late here, but I'mgonna give you a few seconds, half,

(01:00:04):
you know, half a minute, whatever.
I want you to speak directly to them.
I want you to either encourageor uplift or correct whatever the
Holy Spirit's telling you to do.
I want you to speak directly to themand tell them whatever message you
believe they need to hear right now.
So the 40 and unders quick decision makersthat are of these things we've talked

(01:00:26):
about that are heading down that path.
Alright, go.
Well, I'm honored to have this opportunityto speak into your life right now.
The first thing that I want youto know is that you are not alone.
There are so many other people thathave that burning desire in their
heart to make a difference that you do.
And there's a reason thatthat burning desire is there.

(01:00:48):
God has equipped you and calledyou to make an impact in the world.
The key is that you have toavoid getting ahead of God.
So I wanna encourageyou to really press in.
You may know some of the pieces, butthere's so much that you do not know.
I wanna encourage youto spend time with God.

(01:01:10):
Don't make assumptions,don't make quick decisions.
Really seek him about what he'scalling you to do All things in his
timing is my encouragement to you.
Oh, that is excellent.
Tamara Jackson, she's a beacon.
We've enjoyed, shining some lightduring this conversation and
it's been really cool for me totalk to someone who's like me.

(01:01:35):
Yeah.
I hate to say looking in amirror or something like that.
I almost like a littletherapy type thing here.
I dunno if I'm liking it or not.
I'm a little bit squirmy here in my seat.
but, I've enjoyed this.
everybody go check out all the stuffthat Tamara has and connect with her.
And, and this is an important message,this message of achievers, really,

(01:01:57):
really locking arms and trusting.
And God.
And so I encourage you totake all of this to heart.
I appreciate her personal messagethat she just shared there at the end.
We're seek got new episodes every Monday.
We're on YouTube, we're onall the podcast platforms.
Things are rocking along.
I was looking at some of thenumbers on YouTube this morning
and we are growing over there.

(01:02:18):
So thank
Praise God.
of that and uh, We will see everyonenext week on Seek Go Create.

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