Winning at Home and Work: Cory Carlson’s Blueprint for Impactful Success

What if winning at work didn’t have to mean losing at home? In this episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Cory Carlson, former executive turned coach, author, and founder of the Rise community, to explore the powerful connection between faith, identity, and true success. Discover the hard-earned lessons Cory learned from burnout, striving, and redefining purpose—and get practical insights on leading authentically in business while thriving at home. If you’ve ever wondered how to align your ambition with your values and make an impact that lasts, this conversation will challenge and inspire you.

"Fear and faith have one thing in common, and it's the future. Fear thinks the future is bad. Faith thinks the future is good." - Cory Carlson

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About Our Guest:

Cory Carlson is a former corporate executive turned leadership coach, speaker, and author. With a background in civil engineering and years of experience leading teams in the construction and technical products industry, Cory now empowers leaders through his coaching practice and as the founder of Rise, a faith-driven community helping men integrate purpose, family, and business. He’s the author of Win at Home First and Rise and Go, books that equip leaders to thrive both professionally and personally. Cory is recognized for his practical, faith-based approach to leadership and his proven ability to help high performers find true alignment between work, family, and their deeper calling.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Discover how faith and leadership can fuel both personal and professional success, as Cory Carlson shares practical frameworks (like the “five capitals”) and his journey from corporate executive to purpose-driven coach.
2. Hear honest, relatable stories about overcoming burnout, shifting from fear to faith, and finding identity beyond work achievement—including a powerful moment when Cory learned his church paid his family’s mortgage during a crisis.
3. Gain actionable tips on building a balanced, impactful life at home and work, including insights into powerful habits, community-building, and how to “rise and go” when life knocks you down.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

1. Cory Carlson’s Website: corymcarlson.com - Find Cory’s blog, podcast, books, and information on coaching and the Rise community.
2. Books by Cory Carlson: Win at Home First (also available on Audible) & Rise and Go
3. Daily Wisdom for Men Devotional - Published by Jimmy Page and Dan Britton, this devotional was specifically mentioned as a valuable resource for men and families. (Available online and referenced during the podcast.)

Action Steps for Listeners:

1. Clarify Your Identity and Priorities - Reflect on where you’re placing your identity—work, family, or faith—and consider Cory’s framework of the “five capitals” (spiritual, relational, physical, intellectual, financial) to recalibrate your life’s priorities.
2. Cultivate Community and Accountability - Seek out or join a supportive community (like the Rise Community, men’s groups, or similar), rather...

Episode Transcript

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Fear and faith have one thingin common and it's the future.

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Fear thinks the future's bad.
Faith thinks the future's good.
And for me, I think about that phrasea lot, like, Hey, if I'm having bad
thoughts, that there, there's a fearpiece into it as opposed to faith.

(00:32):
What if winning at work didn't haveto come at the cost of your home life?
In this episode of Seek, goCreate the Leadership journey.
We're joined by Cory Carlson, a formerexecutive turned coach, speaker,
and founder of Rise, A faith-drivencommunity, helping leaders integrate
purpose, family, and business.
As the author of Win At Home First andRise and Go, Corey Equips leaders to

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lead Well at Work and Thrive at home,explore what it means to build your
life on the rock, lead authentically andpursue impact that lasts for generations.
you're a CEO entrepreneur or simplysomeone seeking more alignment
in your life, this conversationwill challenge encourage you.

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Corey, welcome to Seek, go create.
Tim, thank you verymuch for having me, man.
I enjoyed our conversationbefore you even hit record, so I
have no idea where we're going.
It's gonna be fun.
It is gonna be fun.
It was kind of one of these deals that wego, man, we gotta get the recorder going.
'cause this is some good stuff here.
Yeah.
So, man, let's start with my man.
This isn't a icebreaker question.

(01:37):
This is like a deep
I.
pool question.
would you rather answer?
do you do?
Or who are you?
Go ahead and pick it and start answering.
What do I do?
Or who am I, man?
I, I don't know, maybe some days I'danswer it differently or I'd pick
the, the, the different one to answer.
The one I'm gonna go with is, who am I?

(01:59):
And, it's top of mind becauseof a call I had this morning.
I was talking to a prospect, does hewant to engage in coaching or not?
And, you know, it's usually a factfinding question, Hey, what do they do?
Tell me about your business.
Tell me about your family.
Just, you know, the journey.
And one question I kinda alwaysask, is, you know, why now?
Why are you reaching out now tome to possibly hire me as a coach?

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And that usually unfolds a a justa, a great depth of conversation.
And so when I said, why now?
His response was, well, abouta year ago, I took six weeks
off 'cause I was burned out.
he goes on to explain the story thatas he was leaving a kid's activity,
he felt he was having a heart attack,went to the hospital and threw it all.

(02:46):
Ended up taking four weeks off,plus two weeks of his vacation.
So a total of six weeks off andobviously says, oh wow, man, what?
And as we talk about it,I talk about the burnout.
Why the burnout?
We got to this point where hisidentity was in what he did.
His identity was being asuccessful business owner.

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And even though it was a prospect call,and I may lose the prospect, who knows?
But I was like, this is an opportunity.
I need to talk to him and help him.
And so what we talked about is ouridentity can't be tied to temporary
things because they will go away.
His identity, was tied to his job, hissuccess, his revenue, and that goes away.
And many listeners probablyare familiar with this idea.

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But just due to the demandsof work, he drifted and he was
tying his identity to work.
Same thing.
If you tire your identity to your kids,what happens if your kids flunk outta
high school or, an unplanned pregnancy?
Does that mean you'rea bad dad, a bad mom?
When we take our identity totemporary things that go away, so
to answer the question, who am I?

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I'm a beloved son of God.
And from that, I then can be a husband.
I can then with confidence, be a parent.
I can then be a coach, a speaker,a writer, a friend, a community
leader, whatever it could be.
And years ago I learned this phrase thatI still lean into a lot because, you

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know, approval can be a challenge of mine.
I, I wanna be liked by others.
When I recognize my true identity as beinga beloved son of God, then I know I can
then operate from a place of approval asopposed to for approval when I'm always
searching for other people's approval.
I mean, it's, it's a endless chaseand therefore that is who I am.

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I, I am a beloved son of God.
That's good.
one of the things that's partof the way I'm made up is the
need for significance, which isrelated to that need for approval.
Mm-hmm.
if they're not the same,they're definitely related.
Mm-hmm.
And, and it's not a bad thing to wannabe significant, I don't think it's a
bad thing to wanna be, to want approval.

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I think it's bad when it starts to driveyou and you become addicted to it and you
start striving for it in all that you do.
so many things around that beloved sonof God that I think I want us to discuss
before we go further it's foundational.
and then I also want to come back tothat identity because of the community

(05:17):
you have, the books you've written,I'm guessing that that identity issue
comes up time and time and time again.
Mm-hmm.
But before we get to all that, I'm kindof teasing the audience a little bit
and also trying to keep myself on track.
I love when someone answers.
I'm a beloved son of God, I.

(05:39):
Mm-hmm.
It sounds good, but I'm gonna bea bit cynical here and say, it
also sounds like church language,
Mm-hmm.
that some of us might say.
So first question is, when did youstart recognizing and realizing that
you were that, and then secondly,give me a little bit more of what
that looks like in your life.

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How does that translate into eitheractions or inaction or whatever?
Yeah, it totally does.
I'd fall in that camptoo, of being cynical.
Beloved son of God.
Yeah.
Church language that'sreal, real, real great.
and I was that way for years.
I am 48 and I, I'd say my mid thirtiesis when I really started to embrace

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it more and it's really been just moreof a piling on of good information and
experiences and mentors and coaches,
Point me to the right scriptureand helped me learn that it's just
gotten better and better since then.
and for me, you know, it, you know,dates, you know, kind of dates back to,

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in my mid thirties of striving of kindof grinding and doing all these things
and realizing myself similar to that,that prospect story I said of burnout.
Luckily I never had to take a bunchof time off, but through a variety of
things in all areas of my life from, youknow, low valleys in, in the marriage

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to financial woes of almost having tofile bankruptcy when a bunch of real
estate deals went bad to, just work.
And that endless pursuit of more and more,more through all of those, I realized that
they aren't working, they aren't bringingjoy, they aren't bringing happiness.
Thinking about christiany things, they'reall trying to fill that hole in your

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heart that only God could fill, which Iknow sounds kind of cheesy, but I felt
it and I experienced it, that all thoseother things were endless pursuits.
And then if I spent time recognizingthat, God is, you know, it, it,
and I, I, I'm, I didn't even masterthe praying, to God as my father.
Like some people arereally good about that.

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You know, sometimes I'm father,sometimes I'm God, you know, it kind
of depends on, the day where I'm at.
I mean, it's still a journey, but as awhole understanding that how much that,
you know, he loves me and he createdme, and I'm uniquely and wonderfully
made as, you know, all the listenersare that, you know, I, I'm a beloved
son and so I need to step into it.

(08:17):
You know, I step into it throughprayer, through quiet time, through
different verses to, you know, tryingto make sure I'm pounding the nail
every day to put God first and payingattention to that as opposed to, you
know, drifting into, well emails and howmany followers do I have and how many
books do I sold and what's the revenue?

(08:38):
All temptations I have, trust me.
And, there's a framework I usethat I was taught years ago.
This was part of the process ofme getting, better, is learning
what was called the five capitals.
the five capitals is, you know, first isspiritual, love, God seconds, relational,
love others, and what does that look like?
Third is physical.

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It's about managing your time and energy.
Fourth is intellectual.
about insight and ideas.
And the fifth one is about is financial,and it's about stewardship, generosity,
but those are the five capitals.
I didn't create 'em.
My coach did, years ago, but Ilearned them in probably about 2012,
2013 when I hired my first coach.

(09:22):
And that is a framework I keepgoing back to, to recalibrate, to
make sure I'm not putting financialcapital as my priority and to making
sure that I am going to spiritual.
So, long-winded answer there, butjust to say it's been a journey.
I have some tools that help me becauseI, like anyone else, if I wake up, it's
like, oh, let's get right to email.

(09:43):
But I'm like, no, I need to makesure I am recalibrating against this
framework that I know to be true.
So you listed out the five,Ps, is that what you said?
Five.
Five capitals.
Five capitals.
The last one was financial.
But I think what often happens is manyof us we'll call 'em high performers

(10:04):
sometimes I'm a little uncomfortabledoing that because there's some people
that perform in the task that God'sassigned them to and they do it well
and it's quiet and they go about it.
we've got an odd view I think, ofhigh performers in our world today.
We won't go
Hmm.
that path.
But my guess is that you, Corey, one that,and I know a little bit of your background

(10:27):
'cause we've done some research.
You were always one thatprobably performed well.
when are out there doing your thingand pursuing, let's call it financial
success, would that be accurate?
absolutely man.
I am, stereotypical, youknow, Enneagram fans.
I'm an Enneagram three.
I wanna be the achiever.

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I'm a sales guy or I stillam selling stuff, right?
You give me a goal or metric, I'mgonna go hustle and try to get it.
and I think the follow up to that, I don'tthink that's a bad superpower to have, but
that can real easily become kryptonite.
I think it's a superpower in, we'll callit the world system, but I think the
kingdom of God, when we start trying tofunction in that world, I think we realize

(11:12):
maybe there's some different rule there.
where's that transition for you?
when you mentioned some time periodsand all, and some things that went on,
but when did you realize that maybeI'll refer to Matthew 6 33, you know,
seek you first the kingdom of Godand his righteousness, and then all
these things will be added unto you.

(11:32):
I recognize.
For me that up until about oh eightI was pursuing the things more than
the kingdom and his righteousness.
Was there a point that you went, Ooh, per,I got this verse flipped a little bit.
Oh man.
Yeah.
And that is a life verse for me too.
I love Matthew 6 33 and,and seek verse of kingdom.

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And that's putting the fivecapitals in the right order, right?
It's spiritual, thenit works its way down.
So yes.
that verse, the framework, thosewere all pieces that help me kind
of figure out, hey, there's moreto life than just the sales award.
There's more to life than getting thisparticular revenue number, getting this
job title it went a step further when Iwent all into coaching March 1st, 2020.

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So I left corporate.
my corporate career wascivil engineer degree.
Got involved in the selling tech,construction, technical products
like bridges and Storm Sewer.
Did that in Kansas City, thenDenver, and then eventually get to
Cincinnati, where led a division there.
And that's when I hired a coach, which.

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Changed my life and the standpointof I got better as a leader at home
and work, but then I wanted to doit and I do it now for a living.
So I left corporate America tothen become full-time coach.
And I did it on March 1st,2020, which, yeah, I mean the
worst time to launch something.
and for all the listeners I know,we all experience pain and some of

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you maybe even experienced deaths.
I, you know, I get it.
and sorry for that, for, you know, meand my family, I'm the sole provider.
March 1st, 2020, we went all in.
Let's go.
Come on.
You know, this gonna be amazing.
March 13th, Friday, March 13th,which I'm not a superstitious guy,
but it is weird that Friday the13th is when it all went down.

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But that's when we all got emails,stay at home mask mandates.
On that day, I got emailscanceling, speaking in workshops.
35% of my revenue on that day vanished.
And it was like, well, what's next?
Like, what about the other 65%?
Are they gonna terminate?
Are they gonna end it?

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God took me on a journey becauseI, I was frustrated, I was angry.
I've got journal entries kindof saying that of like, Hey,
Hannah, I, I did my part.
I took the courageous, move and got outtathe boat and left corporate to do this.
Entrepreneurial, like, where are you?
What happened?
And so, God takes me on this journey overthe summer and, I put together a lot of my

(14:03):
findings and what God was sharing with me.
I put 'em in blogs to help reallyjust kind of other people and
even a client would call and say,I'm kind of struggling with this.
I dunno, you know,resilience or perseverance.
I was like, Hey, I wrote this blogthis morning, why don't you read it?
Well, when it was valuable to them, andI got enough positive feedback, I was
like, well, I guess he, here's a book.
I, I'll write a book.

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So the book I wrote is called Rise and Go.
the main idea of Rise and Go isall leaders get knocked down.
It's just the great leadersget back up quicker.
what could it look like in your lifefor the next time you're knocked
down, you're able to get up quicker.
that's the idea of the book.
there was a piece in that journeyto answer your question, Tim,

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how do I balance ambition versus,godly ambition, selfless ambition?
How do I find what this looks like?
losing all the, revenue March 1st,2020 as I'm cruising through that
summer of 2020 and on into 2021.
My whole typical response tothat was, I'm working harder.

(15:07):
If I'm a solopreneur, then I gottaspend all my time on LinkedIn.
I gotta find leads and more clientsand more podcast interviews and,
you know, more and more, more.
it was hard to shut it off.
Like I, I, I, I got better at thecorporate world of figuring out how
to shut it off and realizing, I didn'thave all this control, but when it
shifted in the solopreneur world,I didn't know how to shut it off

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because it was all dependent on me.
If I wasn't doing anything well,I'm not gonna get any leads.
God pointed me to Psalm 1 27, 1 and two.
Unless the Lord builds the house, hewho gets up early, labor's in vain.
And when I read that, and then thenext verse is in, you know, talking
about the watchtower, unless hewatches over, he labor's in vain.

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On the Watchtower component.
As I'm reading both those verses, I startto think, I hear this kind of audible
voice of God's got the night shift.
If I work hard from eight to five,
I have to have trust.
I have to have faith that God'sgonna take the rest of it.
That while I'm at family dinner,while I'm playing with my kids, and

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even inside eight to five, if I'mtraveling, I have to have faith that
while I am, you know, doing otheractivities, that God's softening a
prospect's heart to say yes, that God'sgot some potential clients talking
about having me come in for a workshop.
And same is true for you,Tim, and for the listeners.
It's just like, hey, if we do ourpart, bust our tail off during the

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working hours, we have to have faiththat God's got that night shift.
And so an additional phrase that Iwas hearing is I control the input
and God controls the impact that ifI am doing my hard work, God's gonna
show up and provide that impact.
And so that's a boundary Ihave because of that phrase.
I've put things in place to do a digitalSabbath on Sundays to charge my phone

(17:06):
into the other room at night, as opposedto, you know, looking at it kind of when
I go to bed and first thing when I wakeup, I've deleted social media off my
phone, or there's just different thingsI've done to help me, stay focused,
Sure.
You know, one of the things Ithink that Covid did for many
of us, oh eight did this for me.
So Covid was a little bit different,was that I realized that I just wasn't

(17:32):
as much control as I thought that I was
Mm-hmm.
Talking about that there is, iscontrol something that you enjoy
having over your environment and hasthat been part of your struggle also?
Yes and no.
and I say no because there'sother folks that I know have

(17:54):
a lot more control challenges.
I've kind of been more the thoughtprocess, the kind of freedom of the
framework when it comes to parenting,when it comes to other elements.
I don't like details.
I mean, I'm not a detailed guy, sothere's a lot of times I've never had
control 'cause like I, you haven'tne ne necessarily studied it all.
But yeah, I mean, I do want an elementof some control and with sales my whole
life, it's, if eat and kill, you know,you go hunt and it, it's yours to have.

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If I know how many salescalls I need to make.
I know how many proposals I thenneed to send out, and then how
many prospects I'll get, right?
It's the funnel.
And so over my whole career,I've been able to figure out
this funnel for my business.
What I was overextending on as Istepped into coaching and speaking
full-time was, I'm gonna make the topof this funnels wide, is absolutely

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possible by never turning it off.
But that's when I realized, hey,I'll work hard from eight to five,
make that funnel smaller and trustthat well all my hit rate will go
up so I could have the prospect.
So I think that would be the wayof control is there's many pieces I
couldn't control except what I did.

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I think I've been okay with peoplewhat I can't control, but it's more
me and just working harder driving.
I had this weird season where I was reallydigging and spending a lot of time with
the Lord, and I think maybe this was alesson for me, but appeared to be the less
that I did, I'm not against hard work.

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This is not what I'm saying here.
The less that I did, the more financialresources I had coming into me, it
was this really, really odd season.
And, I don't know that I totally gotthe lesson, it was something that, was
trying to get me out of that entirely.
If it is to be, it's up to me
Mm-hmm.

(19:42):
mindset,
Yeah.
I'm guessing you see a lotof that your community.
Would that be correct?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, uh, you know, I. Like generosity.
I mean, there's this kingdom math.
I mean, it seems like the, I, I havea very good friend who's a wealth
manager and he has made a commentthat, the more generous people are,

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it's almost like they have more moneyin savings than everything else.
And it's probably, bothpractical and spiritual.
The practical side is if you're generouswith your money, you're probably budgeting
pretty well of what you're giving away.
This is what we're spending.
So there probably is a practicalcomponent of that, but there's also,
a spiritual component of it, of it'syou're stewarding God's resources and

(20:29):
another resource God gives us is timeand how are we stewarding his time?
And I think a big piece for me andfor many listeners, maybe, or at
least leaders out there as a whole, issometimes we forget or we think about
that our only job is here on Earth is.
Go crush it in the work world.

(20:50):
Let's be the best revenue generatingperson in our, you know, out there.
And let's go get the titles, let'sgo get the money, let's go get the
raises, then that's our function.
But no, it's also to be a father or, amother, a father, a husband, a wife, a
community leader, like all those elements.
And so we wear many hats,not just the financial piece.

(21:10):
And I think that is a part that hashelped me a lot to understand that there,
I wanna make sure I'm dating my wife.
I need to make sure I'm having oneon time with my kids, meeting up
with my buddies, getting to the gym.
Like there's a lot I need to do other thanjust make sure I'm working all the time.
Yeah, and so there's one thing that'sreally intriguing for me before we

(21:32):
dive in a little bit more to kind ofwhat all you have going on right now.
When I hear, I'm anengineer by training too.
I'm an industrial and systems engineer.
But yet here I am on a podcast anddo coaching and stuff like that.
And then I heard you say that reallysales is kind of your thing, but yet
I see the civil engineer the, on your

(21:52):
right.
And so I guess I wanna back up a littlebit and maybe ask a little bit about.
what were you thinking you were goingto do in life as you were younger?
what did the plans you have?
What did you think you were wired for?
Maybe even a little bit of, how yougrew up, because I'm always intrigued.

(22:14):
I think all of that begins tolayer into where we are today.
So, my first thing is how did onego from civil engineer to sales?
It could be technical salesand things, which is fine.
I get it.
Yeah.
really have, listen, if you and Iwere to bump in each other on the
street, I wouldn't be going, oh,look, Corey, he's, he's an engineer.
I can tell.
No, you know, you're, you know, the wayyou'd look and everything like that.

(22:36):
I don't know that people wouldsay the same about me either.
so, what's up with that and tell mea little bit about, more about, to
kind of frame how you were raised.
yeah, go career raise first, right?
What's the right direction to go?
I guess we'll just, you know, I, from acareer standpoint, I don't know if I ever

(22:58):
knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.
I mean, I don't know ifI had anything burning.
two parts have come into mind rightnow as we're talking is kind of that
in the high school years of tryingto decide what to go do, I knew
I loved development, like cities.
I loved going to cities and seeingskyscrapers and seeing just activity.

(23:20):
Like, it's just always somethingI've liked and I, and I still do.
and so that was an elementthat was the positive element.
I guess mixing one more inthere of positive is, uh,
you know, I was good at math.
And so that was circulatingof, hey, be an engineer.
I didn't know what todo and be an engineer.
They make good money, anegative vibe in all that was.

(23:42):
I remember, and I don't think thiswas for, bad purposes, she probably
was trying to protect me, but acounselor said, I don't think you're
smart enough to be an engineer.
I don't know if those were the exactwords, but it's something along those
lines that, you know, maybe your scoresaren't high enough to be an engineer.
I do think it was probably out.

(24:03):
I'm gonna assume the best.
I'm gonna assume it's outta love.
It was to Corey, you may be goingdown a bad path, it's gonna be a
disaster and whatever, however.
In college, I wentcivil engineering route.
And I think there are some days I'm like,this is gonna get me to the path of doing
development, whatever that looks like.
And I think there are other days it'slike, I'm gonna prove this lady wrong.

(24:24):
I'm wanna show her that I'm smart enough.
So I don't know how much gettingthrough college was, just
about proving this lady wrong.
I don't know if it was about pursuing thisidea of what I would be, I don't know.
What I do know is, thank goodnessfor, yeah, I, I was able to graduate.
I, I then took a job at a greatengineering firm, awesome firm,

(24:44):
burns McDonald, great firm andstill in contact with them today.
But I'll just tell youit, I didn't love my job.
I mean, obviously that's why Ileft, but I just didn't love it.
and I've got buddies who stuck around.
They're still there and they love it.
But for me.
I was impatient.
I think that if I would've had somepatience, it probably would've been great.

(25:05):
It would've stuck there.
But I just was impatient.
I was getting bored designing thethickness of airport pavement and
the elevations of all the differentjoints, on the concrete slabs
of the runway and the taxiways.
I was like, I don't know if I wannado this for the rest of my life.
And, you know, so I was definitelywandering, I think, not only
professionally, but I was evenkind of wandering personally.

(25:25):
and so that all factored into it.
Like, I need to do something andI need to be up into the right in
comparison And seeing other buddiesget promoted and probably money there
making and cars, they were driving.
It just.
It all kind of came to, I need a new job.
So I did find a great next job where Idid sales of civil engineering products,

(25:46):
storm sewer, bridges as I mentioned, andthen that began the process of sales.
and so that's how I got in engineering,which then went from to sales and then
leadership roles, and now the coaching.
And so that's the career progression.
What's crazy, Tim, and this maycome into your life as well, man,
it's God, nothing's ever accidental.

(26:08):
He uses it all, for good as thepromise and Romans and, you know,
I mean, it's all for his glory.
And so for me, I mean, I've got clientsin non-construction spaces for sure, but I
have clients that I can relate to becausethey're in the construction space and I
know what that's like and I can feel it.
So it didn't necessarily go to waste.
It's been fun to kind ofsee it come full circle.

(26:30):
so that part's pretty cool.
Yeah.
one of the
yeah.
you brought up that you were good at math.
my journey was very similar.
Yeah.
both my parents were educators.
I thought that's what I wanted tobe teacher coach, until I found
out how much money they made.
I didn't know we were poor.
I wanted to make more money.
So I said, oh, engineer, you know, I'mdown the road here from Georgia Tech.
Let me go there.
And so, and I was, I was good inmath, but here's what I found out.

(26:54):
I wasn't as good as most of those others.
That's what I found out.
And it was just like, oh boy, the,they are getting together and I think
they're studying some of this calculusdifferential equation, stuff like that.
I think they're doing somestuff without me around because
they seem to know more than I
Yeah.
that was
And I think my counselor knew that.

(27:16):
And that's what, I, so I, I think itwas, yeah, like I said, outta love
that she was trying to protect me.
but I, in my immaturity, Ididn't take it as protection.
I took, took it as an insult.
yeah.
So any, anything we need to knowabout, growing up we're about to
dive into current stuff and all that.
Anything else about, did yougrow up in a family of faith or,
Yeah.
was it a, was there money driven or wasmoney just a thing or what was some of

(27:40):
those things that you had growing up?
Yeah.
So I did grow up in a Christian home,awesome home, loving home, present father,
which was amazing and incredible mom.
So all that was great.
the big part that affected me, andwe'll talk about, you know, how it
affects me now is my mom passed awaywhen I was 15 years old from cancer.

(28:04):
She had a seven year battle withcancer passed away when I'm 15, which
obviously was a big bummer for sure.
in all that I gotta see, you know, my dad
take care and love on a wife that wasdying over a seven year period of time.
And we had, great moments, youknow, I don't mean as a decline the

(28:24):
whole time, but obviously, she endsup passing, but great childhood.
So he was able to love and serve her.
So I gotta see what goodmarriage looks like.
I don't know how he did it, but heparented us three, with the help of my
mom, but eventually she passes and sohe's single parenting us for a while.
And so when my mom passed away, I was 15.
My brother would've been 12 and Sister 11.

(28:47):
So, you know, he had, basicallya bunch of people young and
their, you know, before 10.
And then he had me and mybrother and sister, 15, 12, 11.
So you have this range of kidsthat he was taking care of.
A sick wife, still had a full-timejob traveling, doing sales,
and loving and present for us.

(29:07):
what's wild is I don'tremember him missing a game.
I know he did.
I know he missed games.
He traveled, but I don't remember himmissing him because there felt to be such
a presence that he was always around.
So that, even though we never talkedabout the phrase, went a home first,
and I just gotta see it modeled,which is really, really cool.
And fast forward to now, I go backto a lot of that, that I learned,

(29:29):
you know, fortunately in the home.
That's the very goodstuff about my childhood.
Yeah,
A yeah,
Go.
yeah.
the dark side of my childhood or theelement that, I wrestled with for
numerous years is when my mom passed away.
My dad became unemployed for parts of thetime before and after just typical sales.

(29:52):
Hey, we don't need you anymore.
We're downsizing or this or that.
Well, in that money had to be spentfrom college savings for chemo
and whatever the case would be.
the savings went down.
So when it was time to go tocollege, it was, all on me to
get loans or get a part-time job

(30:13):
And there's nothing wrong with that.
people do that, that happens.
They're successful For me, thedevil got a hold of my mind
to say, listen, you see this?
If you're ever gonna makeit in life, it's all on you.
your family's college savings gone.
You can't count on anybodyelse, you know, God or anything.

(30:35):
It's all on you from aprovision standpoint.
And I believe that, and Ithink that was another factor.
Like, I gotta get this engineering degree.
I need to get the money.
And I think that's probably whenI got into my twenties, I'm like,
this engineering job's too slow.
I need somewhere else to make more money.
Fast forward.
I think that's always keptbeen a reason for my drive.
I mean, I'm also competitive and sothat there's a factor for my drive

(30:57):
at work, but a factor of it, forsure was the devil telling me I'm the
provider and God's not cool story.
Well, I was gonna say there, there'san element that we don't like to
admit, which there's fear there.
Yeah,
right.
yeah, yeah.
Fear of not having, and so fastforward, I'm, writing my second book.

(31:19):
I'm talking to my dad aboutall this and he's like, man, I
don't think you ever heard this?
I was like, well, what?
And he goes, man, you know, you'retalking about this time where money was
tight and it was, but our church steppedup and paid for a year of our mortgage.
And I was like, what?
I had no idea.

(31:39):
So with limited, you know, with notall the full data, I was believing
this lie that the devil's gettingin my ear that it's all on me.
And now come, you know,unfortunately decades later I
find out that that's not true.
And in fact, God showed up paidfor our mortgage for a year.

(31:59):
That helped me break some remaining,chains that I had holding me back thinking
I'm the provider and now I've got.
this faith that, hey, God's my provider,and it kind of all plays in together.
If I control the input, God controlsthe impact, all those pieces.
And so that's, the great side of mychildhood of understanding love and
marriage and parenting, all those pieces.

(32:21):
The bad side was that financialstory that, I'm breaking free.
I'm still broken and not perfect,but it has been a step in
the right direction for sure.
So here's kind of a trick question.
do you think it reallywould've changed anything?
Had you had that data the time?
or is it something we just lookback on now and say, oh, well maybe.

(32:43):
But, again, it's a trickquestion 'cause it's who knows?
Yeah.
I really just don't know,
Yeah.
you know, it kind of,all it comes down to it.
I don't know what Iwould've done differently.
even not knowing that story, thereis a part of me that's, I still
got comparison, I still have envy.
So if I knew that whole story allalong, it's still like, well, I want

(33:04):
the bigger house, I want the bettercar, I want the title I want the things.
so I'm sure the comparison monsterwas gonna show up, maybe even a
little bit more to fuel that ambition,to fuel that, approval of others.
I also think I've come to termswith the timeframe that I was
raised in, an impact on me.
I kind of came into age, you know,the late seventies, early eighties,

(33:29):
you know, the greed is good decade,
Mm-hmm.
I feel that fed my, youmentioned always wanted more.
I had an addiction to more, whateverwas going on business, whatever, you
know, wasn't addicted to, you know,some of the vices that people would
say, I was addicted to the things.
That allow people to be successful

(33:51):
Mm-hmm.
in
Yeah,
system.
yeah,
brings my next question.
You mentioned you're 48, we were talkingage and decades before we clicked record.
Maybe this is a good time to get intothat, but I, I was just gonna ask how,
how are you defining success right now?
And I'm sure you're a visionand kind of a strategic guy.
How are you beginning to look at your nextdecade, which you're about to hit halfway

(34:16):
or whatever, you know, your fifties.
Talk about success, how you're definingit now, and then what are you doing
looking forward for the next few years?
yeah.
No, that's a great question.
Now I'm looking at success in a lot ofdifferent categories, like I think the
old me may have quickly defaulted tokind of a revenue number or a thought
on success from a work standpoint.

(34:36):
But as we even mentioned the fivecapitals earlier, I mean, success
for me is going to be able to be,the best version of my whole self.
I can be.
So, you know, things I'm payingattention to as far as what would make
me success is I, I'm working to growcloser in my, you know, walk with God.

(34:57):
When I started this year, it was,I wanna get better at prayer.
you know, so I ended up getting this,amazing five year prayer journal.
It's big and thick, and I'mholding up to the camera for
those listening to the podcast.
And you open it up and it's blank.
it basically, gives you the date.
August, I open it up toAugust and then you got five

(35:19):
different blanks for the years.
So I'm riding in that every morning.
I love it.
A company called Hosanna Revival.
I don't get paid for saying this,but Hosanna Revival made it.
I'm using this, I'm doing a, devotionevery morning with my 12-year-old son.
daily Wisdom for Men, right?
Right there.
It's that one.
So I'm just trying to makesure I'm growing spiritually.

(35:41):
So that is, and there,there's other elements of it.
How, how can I grow closerto God, closer to my walk?
Success, you know, relationally.
I want, make sure I'm dating my wife,you know, two times a month I'm doing,
one-on-ones with my kids and making sureI'm doing time with friends, like paying
attention to where am I at relationally.

(36:04):
And what does the, the intentionI look around that piece, you
know, moving over to work.
I track revenue and I wanna be successfulthere, but I'm also just tracking, impact.
I'm trying to pay attention to, howmany people am I able to impact I
track it through, is it podcast?
Is it speaking audiences, is it book sold?
number of clients, podcast downloads.

(36:26):
But anyways, just trying to figureout, hey, you know, how, how can I help
share this message with more people?
and I know it's not all on my doing.
what's crazy, you know, Tim, is we cango grind as hard as we want, but one
person can open up a door that introducesyou to 20 people that I would've taken

(36:46):
hours and hours and hours on LinkedInto try to find those 20 people.
And I may never even found 'em.
And so there is this piece of it whereit's like, I'm just gonna keep working
hard and, you know, I, I'm confidentthat God is going to control the impact.
You made the comment earlier about fear.
Fear and faith have one thingin common and it's the future.

(37:11):
Fear thinks the future's bad.
Faith thinks the future's good.
And for me, I think about that phrasea lot, like, Hey, if I'm having bad
thoughts, that there, there's a fearpiece into it as opposed to faith.
And, and so I think about that a a lot.
So you excited then aboutcrossing over into your fifties?

(37:35):
I am, before we hit record, I justshared, you know, we were talking
about, you and your age, and Imentioned this book, decade by Decade,
it's got some similarities to thebook halftime by Bob Eufor, that
many people have read or familiarwith, this book, decade by Decade.
It is different and it's,definitely worth reading.
It's thinner, it's easier,it talks generational.

(37:55):
It uses SS at everygener, every generation.
There's an S word, I think securityis the zero to 10, and it's all about
yourself in your teenage years andkind of survival in your twenties.
Anyways, it's got all these s's, butthe most fascinating piece is the
number one decade that this guy has puttogether that he believes that people

(38:18):
have based off on all of his clientsand the research he did, that the number
one decade people have is their sixties.
And it's because they probablyare confident in themselves.
They understand theiridentity relationally.
They got great relationships.
Financially they're in a good position'cause they're not paying for all
kid youth sports or whatever it is.
And they're in, in their,in their high earning year.
So their sixties are there.

(38:38):
So when you ask the question, how Ifeel going in my fifties, I'm optimistic
because my sixties, if they'resupposed to be my best decade, that
means I got a 10 year runway to that.
And so it's only gonna be better.
So I'm very optimistic and bullish aboutwhat can be from a family standpoint,
you know, kids, graduating college andhigh school and what that part looks like

(39:01):
and what our family grows and can be.
And then from a work standpoint,you know, I've got some books I'd
like to write or additional booksget out there and just continue.
My mission to help, you know, connectpeople to greater performance at
work, at home, and into their purpose.
Yeah, that's good.

(39:21):
you know, when you brought it up,I'm sitting here going, man, I
am fired up here in my sixties.
There's a lot of
Yeah.
stuff going on.
One of the big things for me, andthis, I don't know if this might sound
harsh, but kind of get to the pointwhere there's a lot more of don't care,
Yes.
other people think.
Don't care what.
and that sounds negative, but someof our personalities need that.

(39:45):
Mm-hmm.
more of a don't care.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna back up one quick thing.
I dunno if you could hold up thedaily devotions for men again,
Yeah.
we interviewed Dan and Jimmy whileback, and I just want people.
On the video and all to note, 'cause we'llprobably include that down in the links.
That is one of the most beautiful, welldone devotionals that I have ever seen.

(40:05):
Just the leather, I mean,just the way it's done, isn't
Yep.
And
it's amazing.
really cool.
It's cool you're doing that withyour son, so I wanted to give
I'll put one more.
been on the
Yeah,
been here.
yeah.
Now I'll put a plug for us.
I just told Jimmy this the other day.
He came inside.
Well, bill, uh, Dan did as well.
They spoke inside the Rise community.
So I lead a community of men whowant to grow and home work and faith.

(40:27):
We have calls every Monday from12 to one Eastern, and then once a
month we're bringing in speakers.
Uh, have the opportunity to haveboth Dan and Jimmy in there.
I have to get you in there as well.
and I told Jimmy, I think I toldDan this as well, but what I love
about this devotion for anyonelistening to it and thinking about,
Hey, maybe I would do it, my.
Child as well, or son, it's simpleenough like they're short one pagers, but

(40:51):
it's simple enough that my 12-year-oldstays engaged, but they're deep and
profound enough that I stay engagedand I just, it is just been awesome.
It's been really, really cool.
And yeah, we've been doingit I guess four months now or
five months, whatever we're at.
My struggle and I could work through this.
My struggle is I keep gettingthem and giving them away, and

(41:15):
so I'm sure they hate that too.
I'm sure they hate that.
That's what I'm doing with it.
You brought up Rise.
We've got, we've got alittle bit of time here.
I'd love to spend our time remainingto talk about your community Two
books we could spin off from that.
Let's go to Rise first.
Tell me about the formation of thecommunity and let's, let's, let's

(41:36):
see what we could glean and what wecould learn from bringing together
men, in, in a group like this.
'cause many times people are isolated.
They think that their situation isthe only situation and they do not
understand all the other things thatpeople are going through, and that
people are probably going throughexactly what they're going through.

(41:57):
Maybe not, you know, maybe the names aredifferent, but tell me how the community
developed and then we'll talk a littlebit about what you're learning from it.
Not what you're teaching, but
Yeah.
learning from it.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Two elements, that howit developed is one.
In my one-on-one coaching calls.
So I do a lot ofone-on-one coaching calls.
I, I, there would just be thesemoments where I like, oh man,

(42:19):
I wish you could do so and so,and sometimes I'd even make that
introduction, like a text introduction,like, these two know each other.
Maybe they're in the same state, or maybethey're in the same industry or kids
are the same age, or whatever it was.
I'm like, or they'rebattling the same issue.
But I just was like, oh, youtwo need to know each other.
And so that, that wasa piece of it for sure.
That was kind of marinatingthat I, how do I do this?

(42:44):
And then in a quiet time, I just feltthis big nudge to go build community
that I could impact more people.
One, I could get those one-on-onesto talk to each other, but also not
everyone can afford one-on-one coaching.
it's a higher price point thanwhat, you know, rise Community is.
And so I, was just like,Hey, let's go for it.

(43:06):
let me just say it wasn't easy.
I had this idea, I went for it.
I battled a lot with the, we don'tneed another community out there.
There's too many communities.
Communities are popping up left and right,like it seems like podcasts used to pop
up left and right now it's communitiesand I wanna know what the next thing is.
I'm gonna go start that nowso we can be ahead of it.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's a bunch of avatars hanging out.

(43:27):
But for me, it was enough nudges.
I did hear the head trash, youknow, of too many communities,
but I pushed through it.
We launched it, and it is just,it's just, it's been awesome.
you know, as, as I mentioned, we, wedo the weekly calls and then there's
just a group and it's pretty cool.

(43:48):
You asked the question,what have I learned from it?
Well, we mentioned some names.
Dan Britton, Jimmy Page, Davespoke, Kent Shevalier, the
chaplain for Pittsburgh Steelers.
He was powerful.
Davin Ano who wrote, 12 Ths ofPurpose, I'm leaving people off.
That doesn't mean they weren't impactful.
It just, at the moment, I won't rattle'em off, but those are some highlights.

(44:09):
So what am I learning?
You know, Dan talked about the powerof having vision, like we need to have
vision, and it was a reminder thatI could get a little sloppy on that.
Or, you know, pulling up for air.
I can get so busy and just doing my work.
And like I said, let's go on LinkedInor let's address these clients.
Sometimes I forget to lift myhead up and what is the vision?

(44:31):
Where am I headed?
So that was a good reminder.
Ken Shevalier talkingabout doing it afraid.
This idea that there's timeswe just need to do it afraid.
And it was a much more robust talk thanjust that phrase, but it was kind of a
kick that I needed, that there were a fewthings that, you know, I needed to do.
Afraid, you know, one of it's,a distant family member to

(44:54):
have a conversation with them.
I'm gonna do, you know, I'vestarted it, I'm doing it afraid.
I don't know the result.
So not all of it were, Hey, go, you know,start this or write this or launch this.
They weren't all business related,but there's some things in my
personal life I would want to godo afraid just to get it going.
I think those would be someof the elements I'm learning.
I think one thing I would justsay to anybody listening is

(45:16):
getting a community of something.
Obviously I'd love to haveyou in Rise, but there's a
ton of communities out there.
I just watched the documentaryJoin or Die this past weekend.
It's on Netflix.
And it's based off this research,this, mandated, bill Putnam, I
think is his name, and he wrotea book called Bowling Alone.

(45:39):
the whole idea of this, doc book, bowlingAlone, which led to documentary Join or
Die, is this idea that since the 1960s,community involvement has just decreased.
this is all before phones and screen time.
So we've only made it worse herein, the recent decade, two decades.

(46:01):
But since the sixties, there's data thathas less involvement of PTA year after
year, Kiwanis Club, rotary Club, whatever,association, down, down, down, down.
And that's factoring into loneliness.
That's factoring into depression.
Now you're throwing phones and itjust leads us more into, isolation.

(46:23):
in this documentary, there's this quoteand he says, we spend more time watching
friends than being with our friends.
And I was like, oh,man, that's pretty good.
And so I think if you're a listener,look around in your community.
do you have community?
Are you spending time with community?
there was a book writtenyears ago called Third Place.

(46:44):
We Have Home and Work.
Those are our two places, buteveryone needs a third place.
For some people that's a bad thing.
Their third place is the bar.
do you have a place that you go, you're incommunity I just share that for, you know,
if there's a listener, it's like, you knowwhat, I need community right now, man.
Go get it.
We were made for CommunityIron sharpens iron.
We, we, we kind of know the taglines andthe realness of it, but I'll just tell

(47:07):
you, I needed rise, as much as the, the,the members, because I've just enjoyed,
you know, we, we have an app and you'll,somebody will post something and I'll read
'em like, dude, this, this, this is Manna.
This is Manna for today that I needed.
'cause it's different postingsthan you get on LinkedIn.
I mean, I love LinkedIn, butthese are just deeper people
are talking about, stuff.

(47:28):
They're not gonna publish on LinkedIn.
Well, and there's the connection there.
it's interesting when you said theresearch had shown less community
since the sixties and you commentedthat that was well before phones,
but it wasn't before screens.
That's really when we saw the riseof television I think our phones
are just TV on steroids truthfully.

(47:48):
You know what I mean?
They're just more screen for us the morethat I would do it, I mean I'm one of
these, I could have sat in front of sports24 7 and then you know what they did?
They started making it available 24 7.
Yep.
of the age where you rememberwhen there was, well, I am, you're
probably not quite this old.
Well, there were just a couple offootball games on Saturday and a

(48:08):
couple on Sunday, and that was it.
That's it.
Now.
Anytime.
Yeah.
anything anytime now, and Ithink that is really, uh, I think
it's devastating to a group.
Anything else that you observewith a community where a group
of men are attempting to dobetter that are coming together?

(48:29):
Anything else you observe thatyou can share before we talk
about a couple of books you'vegot and start wrapping up here.
Oh, yeah.
one accountability and I don't evenmean accountability of, hey, you
know, bill, you said you're gonnado this or, you know, whatever.
Not that accountability.
The accountability of, you know, Igot the call coming up on Monday,

(48:50):
and I either wrote down on a pieceof paper, I didn't tell anybody,
but I wrote down a piece of paper.
I need to go on a date with my wife.
Or I said, verbally, I wasgonna go on a date with my wife.
But there's this accountability that acommunity brings just even by the calendar
appointment being on your calendar, thatpeople are like, Ooh, I need to do this.
What if they ask?
And so there's been some cool storiesalready of the accountability that

(49:13):
they're getting just because of the group.
Even if no one's calling 'emout to say, did you do it?
It's just, it's in the calendar.
There's this kind of desire to more,so accountability is one another.
Ideas, there's some crazy coolideas that people do and, of just
the, the intentionality they'llhave on a date, maybe what they're

(49:34):
doing with one of their kids.
it's like, oh, I like that idea.
I'm gonna do that with my kid.
you have a variety of ideas of how, howto work out different or whatever it is.
you just get ideas that, you maynot, you know, get anywhere else.
you get inspiration.
You kind of see a guy in there.
He is like.
Like for me, I've got three kids, butwhen I hear somebody talking about

(49:54):
how they make time for this and this,and they got six kids and you know,
they lead a, you know, a $200 milliondivision, it's like, well, if they got
time for it, what's my silly excuse?
And so I think between accountability,outside perspective, getting ideas and
then, you know, plus just encouragement,man, it's pretty darn, life giving.

(50:15):
I think maybe the enemy really wantsus to be isolated and by ourselves.
the kingdom and God reallydesires for us to be connected.
And I like what you'redoing there with Rise.
'cause it sounds like you'reallowing to connect, which is good.
point along the way.
You wrote when At Home First andInspirational Guide to Work Life Balance.
I've got it on my Kindle.

(50:36):
Hey, sweet.
have a copy there, but this iswhat it looks like on the Kindle
Inspirational Guide to Work Life balance.
you know, a lot of people do not believethat work life balance is possible.
Say a couple things about that.
Then I want to talk about Riseand Go as we finish up here.
Yeah,
life

(50:56):
well, a couple things on, went home first.
Yeah.
Well, let me just say, I, I wastalking to the publishing consultant
when I wrote it and I was like, youknow, I had my title went home first.
That, that was a no brainer.
The subtitle was different.
we'll talk about that.
But the subtitle went home first.
It was a phrase I just kept saying Iwas with clients and it was like, Hey,
you know, if we're gonna have success atwork and we, we have to win home first.

(51:22):
And maybe it was applicable 'cause theperson wasn't really dating their wife
or it was applicable 'cause they weren'tworking out or whatever the reason was.
I just kept saying this one phrase.
So that was like, that's it.
And then what kind of a nail in thecoffin, for why I was like, I am
100% using this is I posted, Cover,like, Hey, here are my covers.

(51:43):
Which one do you like to use?
Or should I use, please vote.
I did something like that.
Somebody said, I don't like the title.
Win at home first.
'cause that means someoneloses if you don't.
I'm like, absolutely, someone loses.
That's the whole point.
If we don't focus on it, someone's losing.
It'll be a brokenmarriage or a broken home.
So, yes.

(52:04):
So anyways, I, I was like, I'm doing it.
So went home first wasthe title, the subtitle?
I just told the publishingconsultant that I was like, I do
not like the word work-life balancebecause I don't think it's balance.
You know, can I do like work-life harmony?
Can I do something different?
And the funny part was a publishingconsultant said, listen, if you were
Jeff Bezos or somebody else, youcould come up and make up a name

(52:26):
or a phrase and it would stick.
In a loving way.
She's like, you're, you're a nobody.
You, you gotta stick with the SEO.
You gotta search with, stick with balance.
So I, I, I stuck withbalance and I'm fine with it.
You know what I would've tosay about work-life balances?
No.
There is no balance.
I mean, you know, obviously justfrom a work standpoint, we are

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at work just an hour standpoint.
We're at work more than we are at home,you know, and when you take away sleeping,
and so that's just odd in itself.
But how I view work life balanceor this idea of working home is
being intentional, making sure yourecalibrate when seasons get off.

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My seasons can get off as well.
I travel at different times for work.
Maybe I've got a, a, a publishingdeadline, maybe I've got, you
know, some other deadline.
So it's like work.
But then when I'm done hitting thatdeadline or I'm done traveling, then I
recalibrate, come back and I'm makingsure I'm intentional with my home at home.

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Get those one-on-one dates with my kids,make sure I get with, you know, my wife,
take some time off, whatever that is.
And so I, that's the onlything about the balance pieces.
It's, it's like this pendulum swingis, hey, are, are we, you know, have an
in, you know, intention eye with both,
Yeah.
And then so that book, which obviouslyI think has done extremely well,

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you followed it up with Rise andGo, how to get back up with courage
and move forward with Confidence.
I actually really love thetagline on that one there.
But, give us a
Hey, that was before catchy.
BT too, man.
that was an inspiredthought that I had, heard.
Did they let you go more with whatyou wanted there or was that more of
a, the publishing consultant kinda

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Yeah, there.
No, that was, I was ableto go with what I wanted.
I'm sure they helped tweak it,but, I had no big objection to
it, like I did the other one.
But yeah, so I mean, rise and Go is, 20chapters, first 10 are, you know, the
courage to get back up and then the next10 chapters of the comments go forward.
It's written like a devotion, not shortones, like we mentioned for daily Wisdom

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for men, they're longer, but it opensup a scripture, then it has story,
whether it's mine, it's clients, it'ssomebody else's, followed by reflective
questions and application at the end.
And so some people readit like a devotion.
Their men's groups have usedit and others have used it.
Some people use it as a resourceguide, 'cause it, each chapter doesn't

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necessarily build on each other.
So it's, you can look at the table ofcontent and say, I need something on
hope, I need something on, you know,I. What, what, rejection, what whatever
that may be, and then hop to it.
And I know some guys do that and they'llsend me notes, which is pretty sweet.
That's good that it is topical'cause that, helps people go
Yeah.
they need it.

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So that's a good thing.
I've got one more question, but beforeI do, where can people find you?
Where can they get all your stuff,rise or the books or whatever?
Mention it and we'll includeit down in the notes.
Yeah.
The books are available on Amazonand, win Home First is on Audible.

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I have not done.
Rise and Go on Audible.
but they are on Amazon.
as far as social media, I'mvery active on LinkedIn.
That's how you and I met.
I am on all the other socialmedia platforms, but I'm not
engaging like I do on LinkedIn.
So connect with me on LinkedIn.
That'd be fantastic.
Websites, corey m carlson.com.

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And then I've got, blogs and podcastsand information on coaching and speaking.
But I'd love just reach out if anyonewants to talk about any of this.
this is how I like to help people andwhether they turn into a client or not,
Yeah.
doesn't matter.
Listen a few episodes over onWhen at home on your podcast.
And I love the one where you interviewedyour daughter who's in college.

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That was the
Oh, cool.
Thank you.
I was drawn to too, doesn't it?
I'm getting all my kids on thispodcast, my podcast, because
that's the most downloaded ones.
The most downloaded ones arefor, at least some, for me, are
not some of the biggest names.
It's, it's been my, it's been my kids.

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I've only done one kid twice.
I, a couple solo showsI did just me talking.
I think it's the heart.
I think people are looking for story andheart, and I think that's what that does.
Final question, I'm callingthis my exclamation question.
I'd love you, Corey, to speakdirectly to a man may be struggling

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with topic we've been talking about,and just encourage him, uplift him.
Or if you feel like you need to, youknow, give him a swift kick or whatever,
whatever the Holy Spirit's leadingyou to do, just, take a few seconds
here and just give some encouragementa man and whatever age bracket that,
you know, he needs someone to speaksome good into his life right now.

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let's do that.
I'll finish this up and we'll be done.
what a fun assignment yetchallenging assignment.
well, first of all, thankyou for listening this long.
If you made it this far,thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
And, I pray that you foundsomething valuable here.
Hearing a podcast likethis can be intimidating.

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I know for myself, when I hear it, IEEeven to this day, I mean, I, there,
there's things I get intimidated by.
My encouragement for youis to grab one thing.
One thing I said or Tim said, or.
The Holy Spirit said duringthis conversation to prompt,
you to go do something.

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to say, sorry, to say, I forgiveyou, to ask for forgiveness to maybe
make a bold move at work or go ona date or to spend time with a kid.
But my encouragement is to takethat one step because nothing
changes unless something changes.

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And so taking that onestep can make a change.
The other thing I know to be truein my own life and working with a
lot of different clients is we startto make a move and the devil will
say, ha, you're gonna go on a date.
You've been a Dirtbag husband.
What are you talking about?
Or you're gonna do thiswith, your kid now.
you've been absent for the last few weeks,few months or whatever the thing is.

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But whenever we step intosomething new to, be courageous,
the devil gets in our ear.
and my encouragement to you is theremay be something of your past that
may have an element of truth to it.
Maybe you not been the best husband.
I haven't either.
Maybe you've not been the best parent.
I haven't either.
But there's this element that the devilwants to keep you right there and keep

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dragging you down because he wins.
If you stay in the same place and he cankeep playing the same old, soundtracks,
same head, trash, you'll stay there.
But what I, loved and encourage and remindmyself of is to release that you are
not defined by how you were as a parent,as a husband, as a leader, as a friend.

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You're not defined by that.
And starting today, youcan live differently.
You can take a step in a newdirection that leads you.
Into being that better father, thatbetter husband, that better leader.
And so that's my encouragement to youHopefully that, encourages at least
one person to step into who God hasuniquely, wonderfully made them to be.

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I think that is perfect.
Thank you for sharing that.
Corey Carlson, a beloved son of God, hasjoined us here and he just shared there
at the end that I think is powerful.
So I needed to hear thatand probably a lot more.
I appreciate everybody joining in.
Make sure you get theresources that Corey mentioned.
Check out his books and the Risecommunity and go check out when at home.

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If you're on a podcast player rightnow, you could jump over and check all
that out, so make sure you do all that.
We have new episodes here everyMonday, just like this with cool
guests that are speaking things thatI believe that we all need to hear.
I need to hear it.
That's why I have the conversations.
So I believe that you need to hear it too.
So I appreciate that.
Keep listening, liking and allthat kind of stuff and we will see

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everyone next week on Seek Go Create.