May 13, 2025 • 43 mins
Ever felt like the universe was sending you messages? For Jaye Tyler, a cynical gift shop clerk at Niagara Falls, those messages come from the most unexpected sources—animal figurines that suddenly start talking to her.
Jaye isn't exactly living her best life. At 24, the Brown University graduate finds herself reporting to a high school student who's been promoted over her, living in an Airstream trailer, and disappointing her successful family at every turn. Her attorney sister, mysteriously employed brother (played by the charismatic Lee Pace), and physician father can't understand why she seems stuck in a perpetual state of underachievement.
When a deformed wax lion figure begins speaking to her, Jaye's first instinct is to ignore it. But as more animal tchotchkes join the conversation—including a bookend monkey and a barrel-holding bear—she reluctantly becomes an unwitting agent of fate. Following their cryptic instructions leads to surprising connections: her sister finds romance with the delivery guy's ex-wife, while the lonely delivery guy meets his match in a hospital nurse after an allergic reaction.
The show beautifully weaves the Niagara Falls mythology of "surrendering to destiny" throughout its narrative, as Jaye begins to accept her unexpected role as cosmic matchmaker. Created by Bryan Fuller (later known for "Pushing Daisies" and "Hannibal"), this 2004 dramedy balances quirky humor with genuine emotional depth, particularly in the evolving relationship between Jaye and her sister.
Despite having thirteen episodes produced, only four ever aired on television—robbing audiences of fully experiencing this charming, whimsical series that was truly ahead of its time. If you love stories where the mundane becomes magical and reluctant heroes find purpose in the strangest circumstances, Wonder Falls deserves a place at the top of your watchlist.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to episode one.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Of Seeking Season Two the reboot of Seeking Season
Two.
The reboot of Seeking Season 2.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Seeking Season 2, take two.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Take two Seeking Season 2.
We are going to be talkingabout the one season wonder of.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Wonder Falls.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Wonder Falls, not Oneeter Falls, the Oneeters, the
Oneeters.
No, we're going to talk aboutseason one or episode.
It's only one season, episodeone of Wonder Falls.
So this is the what the waxlion.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, yes, he's a fun little dude.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
He's a fun little dude.
So we're introduced to Jay Yep,our protagonist in season one.
I keep saying season one,episode one.
There's only one season, andrew.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's the whole point of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
See, I should listen to this podcast.
So anyway, jay is a brownuniversity graduate she's 24.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The sister mentions that toward the end of the
episode nice, nice pickup.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Thank you, um fascinating it is, I think.
I think it's very it's earlybecause this is 2004.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And this is like early millennial, as they say,
quarter-life crisis.
Yeah, this now would be anelder millennial.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yes, Whereas one thing I saw recently, referred
to it as geriatric millennial,which seems real mean, yeah
Right, wow, that was apresentation at work.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That was fighting words.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We're solidly Gen X, we don't have to worry, no, we
don't give a fuck about anything.
I think I'm dating an eldermillennial.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Wow, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Um so so Jay is not as successful as I think she had
hoped to be.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Or anyone around her had hoped she would be.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Or I guess you would assume, with the family.
She comes from a verywell-to-do and I think everybody
has got pretty well-paying jobs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, they certainly seem to.
I mean, they all show up at thetrailer park where she lives
wearing suits and stuff randomly.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, we know the sister's an attorney.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, the sister's an attorney.
What does the brother do?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Lee Pace Speaking again.
Fantastic actor Ha-cha-cha Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Pace.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
We don't know.
He's a man of mystery at thispoint.
He's mean, though.
His family's pretty sassy, Ithink the mother refers to the
kids as snarky.
She's like why are you sosnarky?
You came out of me.
Why are you so snarky?
I think is the actual line.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I believe that is correct, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So two very snarky children.
I think all three are verysnarky, yes, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And the father played by Bill Sadler.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, so where else have you seen him, roswell,
roswell.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He played the sheriff on Roswell.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And I remember him from Shawshank Redemption Right.
Yes, so he's a man of manyfaces.
He is, yes, so that's kind ofthe family.
She lives in a, a trailer park,a trailer park, her trailer's
pretty cool though.
It's like one of thoseAirstream, like silver.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's what I would go with if I had to choose a
trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, very, very nice .
So that that's where she'sliving.
So she's living in a trailerpark, working at wonder falls,
at Niagara falls.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, the gift shop, the gift shop.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Niagara falls makes sense.
Yes, absolutely, and thatthat's kind of where.
Where this story kicks off, isher being at this gift shop and
kind of just the angsty life ofa millennial in the early 2000s.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Who gets to report to a high school student, who gets
made assistant manager?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
over her.
The mouth breather, the mouthbreather Alec.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, who takes his job very seriously, once he gets
promoted Very seriously, startsto time her two-minute phone
call.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Your mom is on the phone.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Get two minutes for personal calls.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Exactly two minutes for personal calls.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Starts the timer and then, when she passes out, stops
the timer.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, that's one of the things that happens to her,
so it leads off by one of her, Iguess, high school friends.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Someone that she knew in high school, comes in to the
gift shop and is going on abouther wonderful life.
Right, how she snagged thisfantastic man.
Yeah, and she's converted toJudaism and again just starts
(05:31):
rattling off various Yiddishphrases Tchotchkes, tchotchkes.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Plots yes, didn't plots come into that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yes, and I said earlier when we were watching
the episode, I said it remindsme of Seinfeld when the
dentisterry jerry accuses thedentist of converting to judaism
, just for the jokes, yep, um.
So I I figure like it's likenow, now she's got this whole
new vocabulary, um.
And so the friend says, well,at least you're the manager,
(06:00):
right?
So so it cuts to a scene withthe store manager talking to Jay
and Alec talking about why shechose, who she chose for
assistant manager has to dealwith the trials and tribulations
and has to have good customerservice skills.
And so she announces that Alec,the high school mouth breather,
(06:23):
is now the assistant manager,and Jay just doesn't know how to
deal with this.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, I mean, they didn't really, I think, because
he doesn't seem like he's anymore qualified to be the
assistant manager than she is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What skills does he have?
They were watching the Maid ofthe Mist movie on VHS right
before they cut back to thatscene yes, I surrender to
destiny yes they've put it onbathrobes.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I love it so okay.
So so that, so that that leadsup to the part where she's out
having her lunch.
Yep, at the maid of the mistwater fountain.
Yes, wishing well, whatever youwant to call it A little PB&J.
Having a little PB&J and startschoking on her sandwich and is
(07:14):
desperate to have somebody saveher.
So this brings up a questionthat I had, for that I had what
is.
Is this what caused her to umstart to be able to hear the
(07:34):
voices or hear, see theseinanimate objects speak to her,
because it kind of reminds me ofghosts right when, when they
have their near-death experienceyeah, and now suddenly they can
see ghosts.
So is this like sort of like anear-death experience, or is it?
When she picks up the quarter,throws the quarter, it hits the,
the maid maid of the mist inthe face, bounces back, hits her
(07:57):
jay in the head and then goesinto the water, yeah, um yeah so
is that the mystical momentthat causes this?
Like what is the actual?
They don't really.
They don't really say what.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What kind of causes this thing to happen to her?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My feeling is that it's the coin just for the sheer
number of times in the episodethat it goes back to the
fountain Right, it's frequentlysee a penny pick it up Right,
even though it's frequently seea penny pick it up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Even though everybody's apparently throwing
quarters into this fountain.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But whatever, I don't know Exactly.
So the she's having this kindof, as, as they say, a quarter
life crisis, yeah, and so shegoes back into the gift shop
after having this sort ofnear-death experience.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And tossing the quarter into the fountain and
she comes back in.
There's the woman that comes upto the counter and a typical
Karen who Before there was eventhe term Karen.
Yes, this is pre-Karen Karen.
Yeah, so fascinating, it wasfascinating, so they have this
(09:09):
machine.
I have never seen one of thesemachines before.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, I hadn't either.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I mean, I know the machines where you put the penny
in and it flattens.
It flattens the penny and putslike an image on it, but this
was like some machine where itwas like, I don't know, it was
wax or yeah it looks like meltedwax, and then it goes into a
form yeah, and you get this.
You get this little formtchotchke, uh yes, of your, of
(09:38):
your memory, of of niagara,falls in the shape of a lion
yeah and so the woman comes upand and the the wax figure that
she received is a little bitdeformed, yeah, and he's got a
wonky head so the karen bringsit up, brings up the, the
malformed lion and he's got amushed side of his head.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I actually would have liked him.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I know he's cute it's got a little bit of character
to it yeah um plus he can talkand he can talk.
So she, she demands her moneyback, but the jay explains that
the machine is not theirs.
You know that there's.
It's whatever that you have tocall the manufacturer.
And and that is neveracceptable to a karen, never.
And and karen also demands her10 discount because the hotel
(10:24):
she's staying at gives, becauseshe's a guest of a particular
hotel, they've got discounts inthe area.
Yeah, and she's supposed to geta 10% discount on anything she
buys at the gift shop, in whichJay says, well, you need to
provide that at the time ofpurchase.
And so again triggering wordsto a Karen, again triggering
(10:45):
words to a Karen.
So Karen is now just bonkers,so, fortunately.
Well, she says one of myfavorite things is because Jay
says we need to present it atthe time of purchase and Karen
says my ass.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that's right.
Did you say my ass?
Yeah's right.
Did you say my ass?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
yeah, so.
So she says my ass, and thistriggers alec, alec.
Alec perks up when, when hehears jay go, did you say my ass
.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And so alec comes over and and smooths it over
gives, gives her her $3.86 orwhatever.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
it is Diffuses the situation yeah, and this is the
first time when Jay hears thelion speak to her.
Yeah, and says don't give herher money.
And it's like you see the lookon her face like wait, what just
happened?
And so she's pulling the moneyout of the till and the guys
(11:49):
don't do it.
The lion keeps talking to herand she's freaking out.
She's having, as they latercall it, a soad.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's what Alec calls it.
That's what Alec called it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Alec called it a soad .
She's having a little bit of anepisode, so she hands the money
back to the woman.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No, the woman whips the money out of her hand.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, that's because, jay is she's freaking out.
Jay is frozen there standingthere because this lion is
talking to her.
So she's got the $4 in her handand she's just frozen.
And so the woman yet whips the,rips the money out of her hand
and storms out of the out of thestore.
And just as she walks out ofthe store, some guy comes
(12:36):
running by and grabs her purseand and takes off with it.
Yep, now if this were King ofthe Hill.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't know you.
That's my purse.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Exactly so.
Had Bobby Hill been here that'smy purse this would not have
happened.
But that's a story for anotherday.
And the lion proceeds to saytold you To Jay, and then, which
is always very helpful.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Everybody loves an I told you so from an inanimate
object.
Everyone does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So this is when Jay or when Alec comes up and says
her mom is Jay's mom is on thephone in the two-minute personal
call.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We missed the whole part with the UPS driver.
I'm sorry, the EPS driver.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The EPS driver.
Okay, so before Jay passes outprior to this, so the lovely EPS
driver comes in.
Yeah, and Actually is it beforeor after?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That was before right , lovely EPS driver comes in.
Yeah, and the.
Actually, is it before or after, I don't know.
That was before right the ringwas before the.
Karen right.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, no, because that's the first time that the
lion talks to her you're right,okay.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So basically, the lion tells her to ask the EPS
driver why he's not wearing hiswedding ring.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, that all happens the next day.
Okay, never mind.
Then, because she passes out?
Yeah, because the mom calls,she passes out.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They have the intervention for her Yep and
it's the whole next day whenthat happens.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay, so, yeah, so we will get to that.
So she has an interaction withthe EPS driver who was there
that day as well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He did show up.
Yeah, and because Jay and Alecare watching the Maid of the
Mist video, I Surrender toDestiny.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah.
And he comes up and that wasnot the same day, though that
was earlier on, before Alec gotpromoted.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
That was before alec got promoted.
Yes, I know they play aroundwith the timeline.
With the timeline a little bitum, and so we'll wait because
our memories are so good that'sright, and considering we
literally just watched theepisode, uh what, um, so anyway.
So yeah so they, they stay.
(15:06):
So jay passes out.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Um, and that's when alex stops the timer.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's when alex stops the time in a personal
call personal call and they theycut to jay in her bedroom in
the trailer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep locked in.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Locked in and the whole family is now sitting
outside Mother, father, sisterand brother, yep, and they're
trying to.
Well, the mother got them allthere on the premise that it was
an intervention Right, and sothey're trying to talk her into
(15:45):
being happy.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The father is some kind of doctor because she's
like can't you just prescribeRight?
And he is very inappropriatewith his daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yes, because he asks her when was the last time
you've had an orgasm, as thoughthat will cure everything.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, that's the fix for depression.
Absolutely One orgasm andyou're cured forever.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Absolutely.
That's how it works.
Thousands of people haveorgasms every day.
It's perfectly normal.
I think this only just furthershuts her down.
So yeah, so they're all tryingto help her and it just does not
(16:32):
go well, right.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
One thing I wanted to note, because I really like it
as a transitional piece is theviewfinder, because that is very
specific to a certain age.
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I loved a viewfinder because that is very specific to
a certain age yes, it is, Iloved a viewfinder as did I.
I I've, I've had many of youfind her over over the years.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, um, a fun toy and I thought a nice way to kind
of transition yes it, it's agreat transition, something very
typical, because you would getthat in a gift shop.
You would get that in a giftshop.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So yeah, it's a nice Using the viewfinder.
For those of you that don'tknow what a viewfinder is,
google it.
But a viewfinder would havebeen something you would have
gotten at a.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You would have gotten at a like, the like the little,
you would have gotten thelittle like the desk yeah, with
the with the images on it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, for sure, um, yeah, but yeah.
So they've got their wholelittle spiel.
So then it's the next day, Ithink is when the EPS driver
thing comes about.
So tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So he comes in, he's doing his thing.
Jay is very dismissive of himand he seems like a very nice
guy who's just looking for afriend.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, he's lonely because his wife left him.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, and that's where the lion is asking her to ask
him where the ring is, and ofcourse he starts crying Um.
And that is when she refers tohim as poor bitch, and that is a
recurrent.
Oh man, that made me laugh whenwhen the lion is trying to get
her to to do something and he'ssinging about her sister and
(18:22):
poor bitch sitting in a tree yes, yes, yes, so good.
Poor bitch.
Do we ever find that guy's nameout, or is he just poor bitch
the whole time?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No, I think because she calls him by name when he
comes into the restaurant laterwith the sister.
Oh, Because she says there'sso-and-so.
I don't remember his name.
Well, you keep talking aboutthat incident.
I will IMDB his name Poor bitch.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So basically the lion asks her to make a match.
So she assumes because poorbitch was outside talking to her
sister and thinks that hersister is hot that the lion
wants her to set up her sisterand the EPS guy Poor bitch.
So she arranges a dinner, getsboth of them there under false
(19:13):
pretenses and it's a disaster,as one would expect.
We actually also shouldprobably backtrack to her at the
bar with her friend, right?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Tracy Toms.
That's the one.
Yes, do tell, please backtrack.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, she's telling her friend Tracy Toms about
what's happening and the friendis remarkably unrattled and just
keeps getting her more drinks.
And that's where she meets cutebartender.
And my assumption is she'seventually going to end up with
cute bartender.
So I'm just going to throw thatout there as a as a guess right
now what makes you think that?
(19:52):
Um well, at the end of theepisode he pops back up.
He's clearly into her.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Thomas.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's the EPS driver .
Yes, who's the cute bartender?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Who is the cute bartender?
That is Eric.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, eric Gotts.
And what is Tracy Tom's?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
character name Mahondra.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Mahondra, mahondra.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
McGinty, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Got all that I do.
I'm looking at it now too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh, okay, I'm glad we're both looking at that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh my God, we're a hundred years old.
The guy who played Alec is 44now.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I was, just I was, I literally was.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I was literally looking at him as well.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He was in episodes of warehouse 13.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh, that's a great show.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He was in Eureka.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I never watched Eureka.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Neither did I.
He was in, oh, he was in theMagicians, oh, which explains
why he looks so familiar he'sgot that kind of look too.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He was in iZombie nice, one of your favorites,
that is a favorite oh, he was inDaredevil.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Huh the tv series the original yeah, well, the
netflix, netflix series, anyway.
Yeah, he was also in psych.
You heard about pluto messed up, so anyway.
So where did you leave off withThomas the EPS?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So we talked about.
They were set up on the date.
We did not get too far intowhat happened on the date,
because then I was also talkingabout Tracy Thomas.
So it's a disaster date, yes,of course, during which her
sister Sharon that's her name,right, I believe.
So, yes, um, finally just tellsthe guy that she's a lesbian
(22:02):
and he of course thinks thatshe's making it up right, um,
because she, she uses the whole.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's not you, it's me right thing and he says you
can't use, it's not you, it's meI invented.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
It's not you, it's me so then she tells him she's a
lesbian yeah he's like oh, soyou're really just doing
everything now exactly and it'sinteresting in 2025, uh, to see
how different the portrayal of aperson saying they're gay on tv
was in 2004 I yeah, it's 21years ago, but it's just so
(22:38):
interesting to see, kind of, howfar that's come in 20 years.
So of course this is also whenJay comes back to the table and
finds what's his name.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Thomas.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Eric Thomas, Pete, Okay, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Thomas, thomas.
Yes, the tank engine Like theEnglish muffin.
Exactly, thomas Thomas.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Thomas, yes, the tank engine Like the English muffin,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
He's got so many nooks and crannies.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well, he's eaten something with peanuts and he's
going into anaphylactic shock.
Well, because she comes backand goes, is that going to roll?
Which just shows you how littleattention she pays to him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Right, exactly, and she sees him daily.
Exactly so.
Again, it just reinforces thefact that that she's she's not.
She's very I don't want to sayself-absorbed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
No, I think she's honestly probably depressed.
Yeah, and I think what I meanand again, we've only watched
the first episode have and Ithink what I mean and again,
we've only watched the firstepisode.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Have you watched more ?
I have not.
My assumption I'm trying tokeep it fresh Is that this is
the seeing of the talking.
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Various things and we have to get into the other
things that she sees Right, butmy assumption is that this is
going to give her purpose and,you know, improve her life, sure
.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's yeah, there's so much to this episode.
I mean, we've already gone,geez, almost half an hour.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Good Lord, we're not.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, there's a lot more I mean because it's
basically an hour-long episodewith commercials.
Yep, there's so much.
Yeah, because she.
So I was just going to saythere's.
There's reminiscent pieces ofother TV shows that that come to
mind after watching this oneperson of interest.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Because the machine just gives out, basically like a
social security number, right,and they've they've got to
figure out is is it, is it avictim, is it a perpetrator?
Like right, what, what is, whatare they supposed to be doing?
So I see similarities here withthis show.
You know, she gets very littledetail about, yeah, what to do,
like what.
She has no idea why.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, in most cases she's just the instigator.
So so I mean, if we go throughthe rest of the story with her
sister and Thomas, they decideto drink him with a pen in the
car, With a big pen.
So then, as he arrives at thehospital, they yell out stabbing
(25:12):
victim.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But what ends up happening then is Sharon meets
Thomas's ex-wife, who is stillhis emergency contact, right,
and they for sure hit it off.
Yes, and Thomas meets a lovelynurse, correct?
So she didn't know that was thematch that the wax lion was
asking her to make but she putit into motion.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, she just assumed that, yeah, that was her
sister.
And Thomas Well assumed that,yeah, that was her sister, and
she didn't know her sister was alesbian.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, she knew that her , that Thomas thought her sister
was hot.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And she wanted the lion to shut up.
Right, the lion was singingSharon and poor bitch sitting in
a tree.
Yeah, so I mean, that's true, Idon't think it was an incorrect
assumption it's not a far leapthat she was supposed to set the
two of them up, which is whatshe ends up doing that's why,
because what again?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
what, like I was saying?
What the line is saying issomewhat cryptic.
Right, because he's not, hedoesn't spell it out, he's.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He says do this, but he doesn't say why yeah, make me
a match exactly and by makingthe match between those two,
they end up meeting the peoplethat they're supposed to meet.
But that leads me to other,entirely different questions,
like Are these talking animalspsychic?
Where are these orders comingfrom?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, so this brings me to a very good point that I
wanted to discuss.
So this brings me to a verygood point that I wanted to
discuss, because I think thewhole plot, not subplot, but the
whole concept of I surrender todestiny, oh, oh, that comes
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into play.
So is this because they playthat really heavy in the
beginning?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
the whole.
I surrender to destiny right.
The maid of the mist goes overthe waterfall because she
surrenders to destiny.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yes, yes, yes.
So so is this destiny workingthrough jay?
Right to make these thingshappen, right?
So that's that's what that'show I interpreted it is the
whole.
I surrender to destiny.
Was Jay surrendering to destinyto help make these things
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happen?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Right, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
So should we talk about thenext one, the next talking
animal which shows up at thepsychiatrist's office?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
What.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Okay, so she's in talking to her mother's
therapist, yes, and he's askingall kinds of weird questions
that I don't think an actualpsychiatrist would ever ask at
least mine never has well, it'svery, it's very funny because
it's the mother.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Did you mention?
It was the mother's like okay,so it's the mother psychiatrist,
so um because he said well,because she he asked her a
question.
She makes some comment about oh, um, oh, what is?
He saying Like he asked aboutsomething, about her being
depressed or something, andshe's like why?
What did my mother tell you?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, Is it like a do you have a like difficult family
life or something?
And she's like why did she sayI do?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Cause she first says he says tell me about your
family.
She says I don't like to gossip, um, and then he says something
and she goes why?
What did my mother tell youright?
And then he says we're not hereto talk about your mother.
And then he asked somethingelse and about like the like,
like do you have a difficultrelationship with your mother?
And she goes I thought weweren't talking about my mother.
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It's like this, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And then and then the monkey is he a bookend?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's a bookend, he's a bookend, he's a bookend.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What does he say?
They talk about I love yous,and that's not something that
happened in our family.
And then the monkey says I loveyou, I love you, I love you, I
love you.
Well, the monkey.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
well, the the first thing you catch is the monkey,
cause the monkey is holding abook on the bookend.
So the first thing you catch isthe monkey flipping through the
pages of the book and and Jaysees this and puts the, puts her
, her purse in front of him.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And so he actually leans around the purse to say he
loves her.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I love you and then, and then it cuts to her at the
bar.
After all that, with the monkeysitting on the bar, and so
there's whole conversationsabout talking to the monkey, and
with Tracy Toms and with thebartender Right, there's that
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whole thing which I thought wasvery interesting.
I just thought it was funny.
I mean, it's just another, butthe monkey doesn't really tell
her to do anything.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
No, but when she comes back from.
Is it when she comes back fromthe hospital that she finds that
her sister climbed through thewindow of the trailer and then
she's sitting on the the edge ofthe bed with her and they're
talking and they're clearlybonding for the first time
possibly ever.
(30:12):
And that's when the monkey wholeans over and says I love you
Cause he wants her to tell hersister, and they do, and they're
obviously uncomfortable with it.
But it's also a moment wherethey finally have a connection
that they've never had before.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I agree it's a really touching, kind of a sweet
moment at the end of the, at theend of the episode.
It's a nice way to kind of liketie the whole thing up that
even even though she's gonethrough so much difficulty,
she's she's had a different, shehasn't had a difficult life,
but she's I don't think she'sfit in very well.
(30:48):
Yeah, she doesn't know what herpurpose is in life.
Um, she kind of tormented herolder sister yeah when they were
growing up.
So it's just a nice, a nice kindof sweet moment between the two
of them so I think the onlyother major piece of it is the
um.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
See a penny pick it up when she goes into the
fountain and gets a veryspecific quarter that then gets
away from her and lands insomebody's lunch bag well he
then throws in the trash rightand she finds the karen's stolen
handbag right, yeah, that, that, that.
That's a whole kind of mid-storysubplot yeah um kind of it sort
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of brings her to the.
It's the start of theconnection to her sister again
right right because she knockson 71 doors before she finds the
karen and then the karen's allpissed off that none of her
stuff is in the bag.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That jay took the time to return well, because she
, because she seemed morallysafer, right, and she knows how
these things work, so you andyour friend obviously set me up
on identity identity theft I'veseen this before and, uh, she
punches Jay in the face Right.
Because Jay's like I've beenknocking on.
I knocked on 71 doors.
Look at my knuckles, they'rebleeding and she puts her.
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She puts her like her fist out.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And the woman pops her in the face and then Jay
just tackles her right into the,into the hotel room.
No one could blame her.
But then she calls her sister,because she's a lawyer, into the
hotel room.
No one could blame?
Her, but then she calls hersister because she's a lawyer,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And she was the only one home.
Right, Well, yeah, that too shewas how many people did you
call before me?
Five no sex.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And then, uh, at the end she's after another coin,
right, but now she's beinginstructed by don't squeeze the
Charmin.
It's a bear holding a NiagaraFalls barrel right.
Yeah, yeah.
So when she grabs him and heshrieks, yes, so good.
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So at the end of the episodeshe's chasing a woman who has
toilet paper stuck to her shoewhich is the don't squeeze the
Charmin.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And yelling after her .
I think I'm supposed to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And you've got toilet paper on your shoe.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Right, exactly so.
She is really surrendered todestiny at this point.
That this is this is kind ofwell.
Well, she gets at.
First she gets upset at thebear.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Because she told the lion that was it.
Yeah, she was one and done.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But that lion doesn't make deals.
No, she also hadn't returned tothat monkey and her mother had
come in and told her that thepsychiatrist was refusing to see
her again until the monkey wasreturned.
So I don't know what's going tohappen with the monkey.
I don't know if that's going toshow up in.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Maybe now that she's told her sister she loves her.
She'll take the monkey back tothe psychiatrist.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know, Ireally don't know.
But again and I just want topoint this out because I I
mentioned this when we werewatching the episode yeah, one
of my personal favorite commentsabout Jay should have realized
that her sister was a lesbianBecause, remember, this is 2004.
She goes because she drives anSUV, and I just found it like a
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very funny, dated kind ofcomment.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
The modern equivalent would be she drives a Subaru.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
She drives a Subaru.
So it was just a very funnycomment, because I mean I don't
remember 2004.
2004.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
2004.
Yeah, we'd been dating for ayear at that point 2004.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Two years.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Didn't we meet in 2002?
Oh, that's why we're divorced.
Wow, why did I think we met in2003?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For sure it was 2002.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
No, you're right, it was 2002.
2002.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah so so again 2004 .
I mean we're.
I don't think suvs were reallya big no suvs were not a big
thing back then my dad had aford explorer that was one of
like the first.
I feel like those were thefirst, yeah, the first suvs,
because we used to pack thatthing up to go down to college
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but our other cars were all smaller.
Right, right, right, we hadfour of those.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Exactly so.
Suvs weren't a big thing, soapparently they were big in the
lesbian community.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I guess.
So I mean, I don't know that,never would have occurred to me,
but okay.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I know exactly so.
Today it would have been aSubaru.
What else stood out to you justin?
I know exactly so, so today itwould have been a Subaru, um,
anything, what else?
What else stood out to you justin general, on the episode that
that you can think of?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm interested to see where it goes with the
bartender, Cause I do think thathe's clearly he's being set up
as a as a romantic interest.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I don't know if it's going to be romantic, but some
sort of close relationship there.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I do, I'm interested in.
I had written down in my noteslike what is her connection to
the princess who is the maid ofthe mist?
Because I get the whole like Ilike your whole, I surrender to
destiny.
But like how is she just thereto be a parallel or is there
some kind of like actualconnection?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What do you mean Like ?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
personality-wise, or in some, because Jay does not
strike me as the kind of personwho is going to, you know,
happily surrender to destiny.
She's a little too cynical anddisaffected.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think
that it's, I don't think they'redrawing a parallel between the
two, because, clearly, how doyou know?
I'm just saying I don't know, Idon't know yet, because we've
only watched one episode butwhat I?
Think yeah what I think is.
It's more just the surrenderingto destiny concept.
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Yeah, they're just going aboutit two different ways, gotcha,
because the maid of the maid ofthe mist it was her father that
that put her in the canoe andand then changed his mind
changed his mind, mind and she'slike no, no, no no, I'm going
over.
I surrender to destiny in abarrel.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So I think it's just that whole concept of, of I
surrender to destiny, um, justin just, in different, in
different ways, right, I think?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
that'll be interesting to say yeah, that'll
be interesting to see, yeah,what about you?
Anything else here?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, no, I, I just I just I find the backdrop of
Niagara Falls really interesting, um.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I haven't been there for years and years, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I've never been, you've never been to Niagara.
Falls.
I've never been to NiagaraFalls.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You should, it's cool .
I think, I think I might.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I might have to Make sure your passport's up to date
because there's a very cutelittle Canadian community called
Niagara on the Lake.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You'd like it there.
Oh yeah, yeah, little shops andeverything it was very cute
Very nice.
Stumbled on it by accident, butit was a fun day.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'll keep that in mind.
I think it's just aninteresting backdrop for the
show.
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's a very romantic place.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
So I'm I'm curious if that's going to.
I'm curious, like, what aspectsof Niagara Falls are going to
play into the show.
Um, again, I mean we've seenmultiple relationships kind of
begin in this first episode, yep, so I don't know, again, I
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don't know how that's all goingto play into it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Well, we don't know who are recurring characters yet
, or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Right, and we don't know who else is going to pop up
as guest stars.
We shall see.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I think we're going to find out?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yes, but interestingly enough.
So let's talk about the stars.
We shall see.
I think we're going to find out.
Yes, but interestingly enough.
So let's talk about kind of themain cast.
So, was it Caroline?
How do you pronounce her lastname, daverna?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, I think it was Davernas, I don't know if you
pronounced the S or not, I haveno idea.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Either way.
She pops up as Dr Alana Bloomin Hannibal, which is another
Brian Fuller, the creator ofthis show.
It's another one of his shows.
And then we all know that LeePace shows up in Pushing Daisies
(39:37):
, which is another Brian Fullershow, that Lee Pace shows up in
Pushing Daisies, which isanother Brian Fuller show, but
don't forget his best role as avampire in the Twilight Saga.
Oh, let's not remember that.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
He really brought up a very terrible movie series.
I love him.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He's hot.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
He makes a good vampire.
I'm sure he does.
He was in the Marvel movies heplayed the one bad guy.
I can't remember hischaracter's name.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh gosh, I know Purple guy.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Purple or blue Was he blue.
Was he one of the blue?
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think you're right.
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I don't recall, but anyway, so there's.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
so there's some well-known, some some, you know,
Brian Fuller brings around hisRonan.
Ronan Ronan, the accuser.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So he, brian Fuller, keeps his actors and actresses
around for other shows.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
He's another one of those guys yeah, there's a lot
of those guys now yeah, butagain I think it was a great
opening episode.
I mean, obviously they have tolay the groundwork for what's to
come yeah, pilots are alwaystough because there's a lot of
backstory that you've got topack for what's to come.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, pilots are always tough because there's a
lot of backstory that you've gotto pack into what's essentially
44 minutes Right.
You've got to really lay it allout there.
You've got to grab people,which I think this did.
I think it really got yourattention, really drew you into
the story, while still layingenough of the background to it
to to make you want to watch,want to watch more.
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So.
So we'll have to check it outin the in the next episode.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
All right, Anything.
Any final parting thoughts?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I don't think so.
No, I'm good, I feel good.
I feel good about this episode.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Me too.
This was, this was it was.
I've watched what three or fourtimes now in preparation for
this, and you pick up somethinga little different each each
time.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So it's a surprisingly funny show for what
it is.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, poignant, very funny, sweet.
Yeah, somewhat poignant attimes, which is really nice.
It's not just a straight kindof comedy.
Would you throw it as a dramedy?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, I mean, if they can keep putting the bear in
the comedy category for theGolden Globes, I think we could
say this is definitely a dramedy.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, I would agree with that, all right.
Well, everybody, thank you forhanging out with us for our
discussion of the first episodeof Wonder Falls, the show that I
really feel, so far, I think.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, just from the first episode.
I would have been happy towatch another season of it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Well, let's point this out, I think.
What was it?
Only four episodes actuallyaired.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So, believe it or not , there's 13 episodes in the
season one, but only four ofthose actually aired in the US,
so that's really disappointing.
I feel like it should have beengiven much more of a shot than
it did receive.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I totally agree .
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, I don't even remember what it was up against
in.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
In 2004.
In 2004.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I don't even remember , but apparently it didn't hang
on there too well.
So we will talk through all 13episodes and hang out with us
next time when we talk aboutepisode two.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Great, thanks so much everyone.
Bye.
Bye next time when we talkabout episode two.
Awesome, great thanks so mucheveryone.
Bye.
Welcome to episode one.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Of Seeking Season Two the reboot of Seeking Season
Two.
The reboot of Seeking Season 2.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Seeking Season 2, take two.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Take two Seeking Season 2.
We are going to be talkingabout the one season wonder of.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Wonder Falls.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Wonder Falls, not Oneeter Falls, the Oneeters, the
Oneeters.
No, we're going to talk aboutseason one or episode.
It's only one season, episodeone of Wonder Falls.
So this is the what the waxlion.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, yes, he's a fun little dude.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
He's a fun little dude.
So we're introduced to Jay Yep,our protagonist in season one.
I keep saying season one,episode one.
There's only one season, andrew.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's the whole point of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
See, I should listen to this podcast.
So anyway, jay is a brownuniversity graduate she's 24.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The sister mentions that toward the end of the
episode nice, nice pickup.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Thank you, um fascinating it is, I think.
I think it's very it's earlybecause this is 2004.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And this is like early millennial, as they say,
quarter-life crisis.
Yeah, this now would be anelder millennial.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yes, Whereas one thing I saw recently, referred
to it as geriatric millennial,which seems real mean, yeah
Right, wow, that was apresentation at work.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That was fighting words.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We're solidly Gen X, we don't have to worry, no, we
don't give a fuck about anything.
I think I'm dating an eldermillennial.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Wow, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Um so so Jay is not as successful as I think she had
hoped to be.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Or anyone around her had hoped she would be.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Or I guess you would assume, with the family.
She comes from a verywell-to-do and I think everybody
has got pretty well-paying jobs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, they certainly seem to.
I mean, they all show up at thetrailer park where she lives
wearing suits and stuff randomly.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, we know the sister's an attorney.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, the sister's an attorney.
What does the brother do?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Lee Pace Speaking again.
Fantastic actor Ha-cha-cha Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Pace.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
We don't know.
He's a man of mystery at thispoint.
He's mean, though.
His family's pretty sassy, Ithink the mother refers to the
kids as snarky.
She's like why are you sosnarky?
You came out of me.
Why are you so snarky?
I think is the actual line.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I believe that is correct, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So two very snarky children.
I think all three are verysnarky, yes, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And the father played by Bill Sadler.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, so where else have you seen him, roswell,
roswell.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He played the sheriff on Roswell.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And I remember him from Shawshank Redemption Right.
Yes, so he's a man of manyfaces.
He is, yes, so that's kind ofthe family.
She lives in a, a trailer park,a trailer park, her trailer's
pretty cool though.
It's like one of thoseAirstream, like silver.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's what I would go with if I had to choose a
trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, very, very nice .
So that that's where she'sliving.
So she's living in a trailerpark, working at wonder falls,
at Niagara falls.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, the gift shop, the gift shop.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Niagara falls makes sense.
Yes, absolutely, and thatthat's kind of where.
Where this story kicks off, isher being at this gift shop and
kind of just the angsty life ofa millennial in the early 2000s.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Who gets to report to a high school student, who gets
made assistant manager?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
over her.
The mouth breather, the mouthbreather Alec.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, who takes his job very seriously, once he gets
promoted Very seriously, startsto time her two-minute phone
call.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Your mom is on the phone.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Get two minutes for personal calls.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Exactly two minutes for personal calls.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Starts the timer and then, when she passes out, stops
the timer.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, that's one of the things that happens to her,
so it leads off by one of her, Iguess, high school friends.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Someone that she knew in high school, comes in to the
gift shop and is going on abouther wonderful life.
Right, how she snagged thisfantastic man.
Yeah, and she's converted toJudaism and again just starts
(05:31):
rattling off various Yiddishphrases Tchotchkes, tchotchkes.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Plots yes, didn't plots come into that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yes, and I said earlier when we were watching
the episode, I said it remindsme of Seinfeld when the
dentisterry jerry accuses thedentist of converting to judaism
, just for the jokes, yep, um.
So I I figure like it's likenow, now she's got this whole
new vocabulary, um.
And so the friend says, well,at least you're the manager,
(06:00):
right?
So so it cuts to a scene withthe store manager talking to Jay
and Alec talking about why shechose, who she chose for
assistant manager has to dealwith the trials and tribulations
and has to have good customerservice skills.
And so she announces that Alec,the high school mouth breather,
(06:23):
is now the assistant manager,and Jay just doesn't know how to
deal with this.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, I mean, they didn't really, I think, because
he doesn't seem like he's anymore qualified to be the
assistant manager than she is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What skills does he have?
They were watching the Maid ofthe Mist movie on VHS right
before they cut back to thatscene yes, I surrender to
destiny yes they've put it onbathrobes.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I love it so okay.
So so that, so that that leadsup to the part where she's out
having her lunch.
Yep, at the maid of the mistwater fountain.
Yes, wishing well, whatever youwant to call it A little PB&J.
Having a little PB&J and startschoking on her sandwich and is
(07:14):
desperate to have somebody saveher.
So this brings up a questionthat I had, for that I had what
is.
Is this what caused her to umstart to be able to hear the
(07:34):
voices or hear, see theseinanimate objects speak to her,
because it kind of reminds me ofghosts right when, when they
have their near-death experienceyeah, and now suddenly they can
see ghosts.
So is this like sort of like anear-death experience, or is it?
When she picks up the quarter,throws the quarter, it hits the,
the maid maid of the mist inthe face, bounces back, hits her
(07:57):
jay in the head and then goesinto the water, yeah, um yeah so
is that the mystical momentthat causes this?
Like what is the actual?
They don't really.
They don't really say what.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What kind of causes this thing to happen to her?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My feeling is that it's the coin just for the sheer
number of times in the episodethat it goes back to the
fountain Right, it's frequentlysee a penny pick it up Right,
even though it's frequently seea penny pick it up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Even though everybody's apparently throwing
quarters into this fountain.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But whatever, I don't know Exactly.
So the she's having this kindof, as, as they say, a quarter
life crisis, yeah, and so shegoes back into the gift shop
after having this sort ofnear-death experience.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And tossing the quarter into the fountain and
she comes back in.
There's the woman that comes upto the counter and a typical
Karen who Before there was eventhe term Karen.
Yes, this is pre-Karen Karen.
Yeah, so fascinating, it wasfascinating, so they have this
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machine.
I have never seen one of thesemachines before.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, I hadn't either.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I mean, I know the machines where you put the penny
in and it flattens.
It flattens the penny and putslike an image on it, but this
was like some machine where itwas like, I don't know, it was
wax or yeah it looks like meltedwax, and then it goes into a
form yeah, and you get this.
You get this little formtchotchke, uh yes, of your, of
(09:38):
your memory, of of niagara,falls in the shape of a lion
yeah and so the woman comes upand and the the wax figure that
she received is a little bitdeformed, yeah, and he's got a
wonky head so the karen bringsit up, brings up the, the
malformed lion and he's got amushed side of his head.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I actually would have liked him.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I know he's cute it's got a little bit of character
to it yeah um plus he can talkand he can talk.
So she, she demands her moneyback, but the jay explains that
the machine is not theirs.
You know that there's.
It's whatever that you have tocall the manufacturer.
And and that is neveracceptable to a karen, never.
And and karen also demands her10 discount because the hotel
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she's staying at gives, becauseshe's a guest of a particular
hotel, they've got discounts inthe area.
Yeah, and she's supposed to geta 10% discount on anything she
buys at the gift shop, in whichJay says, well, you need to
provide that at the time ofpurchase.
And so again triggering wordsto a Karen, again triggering
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words to a Karen.
So Karen is now just bonkers,so, fortunately.
Well, she says one of myfavorite things is because Jay
says we need to present it atthe time of purchase and Karen
says my ass.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that's right.
Did you say my ass?
Yeah's right.
Did you say my ass?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
yeah, so.
So she says my ass, and thistriggers alec, alec.
Alec perks up when, when hehears jay go, did you say my ass
.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And so alec comes over and and smooths it over
gives, gives her her $3.86 orwhatever.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
it is Diffuses the situation yeah, and this is the
first time when Jay hears thelion speak to her.
Yeah, and says don't give herher money.
And it's like you see the lookon her face like wait, what just
happened?
And so she's pulling the moneyout of the till and the guys
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don't do it.
The lion keeps talking to herand she's freaking out.
She's having, as they latercall it, a soad.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's what Alec calls it.
That's what Alec called it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Alec called it a soad .
She's having a little bit of anepisode, so she hands the money
back to the woman.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No, the woman whips the money out of her hand.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, that's because, jay is she's freaking out.
Jay is frozen there standingthere because this lion is
talking to her.
So she's got the $4 in her handand she's just frozen.
And so the woman yet whips the,rips the money out of her hand
and storms out of the out of thestore.
And just as she walks out ofthe store, some guy comes
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running by and grabs her purseand and takes off with it.
Yep, now if this were King ofthe Hill.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't know you.
That's my purse.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Exactly so.
Had Bobby Hill been here that'smy purse this would not have
happened.
But that's a story for anotherday.
And the lion proceeds to saytold you To Jay, and then, which
is always very helpful.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Everybody loves an I told you so from an inanimate
object.
Everyone does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So this is when Jay or when Alec comes up and says
her mom is Jay's mom is on thephone in the two-minute personal
call.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We missed the whole part with the UPS driver.
I'm sorry, the EPS driver.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The EPS driver.
Okay, so before Jay passes outprior to this, so the lovely EPS
driver comes in.
Yeah, and Actually is it beforeor after?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That was before right , lovely EPS driver comes in.
Yeah, and the.
Actually, is it before or after, I don't know.
That was before right the ringwas before the.
Karen right.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, no, because that's the first time that the
lion talks to her you're right,okay.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So basically, the lion tells her to ask the EPS
driver why he's not wearing hiswedding ring.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, that all happens the next day.
Okay, never mind.
Then, because she passes out?
Yeah, because the mom calls,she passes out.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They have the intervention for her Yep and
it's the whole next day whenthat happens.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay, so, yeah, so we will get to that.
So she has an interaction withthe EPS driver who was there
that day as well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He did show up.
Yeah, and because Jay and Alecare watching the Maid of the
Mist video, I Surrender toDestiny.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah.
And he comes up and that wasnot the same day, though that
was earlier on, before Alec gotpromoted.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
That was before alec got promoted.
Yes, I know they play aroundwith the timeline.
With the timeline a little bitum, and so we'll wait because
our memories are so good that'sright, and considering we
literally just watched theepisode, uh what, um, so anyway.
So yeah so they, they stay.
(15:06):
So jay passes out.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Um, and that's when alex stops the timer.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's when alex stops the time in a personal
call personal call and they theycut to jay in her bedroom in
the trailer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep locked in.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Locked in and the whole family is now sitting
outside Mother, father, sisterand brother, yep, and they're
trying to.
Well, the mother got them allthere on the premise that it was
an intervention Right, and sothey're trying to talk her into
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being happy.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The father is some kind of doctor because she's
like can't you just prescribeRight?
And he is very inappropriatewith his daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yes, because he asks her when was the last time
you've had an orgasm, as thoughthat will cure everything.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, that's the fix for depression.
Absolutely One orgasm andyou're cured forever.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Absolutely.
That's how it works.
Thousands of people haveorgasms every day.
It's perfectly normal.
I think this only just furthershuts her down.
So yeah, so they're all tryingto help her and it just does not
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go well, right.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
One thing I wanted to note, because I really like it
as a transitional piece is theviewfinder, because that is very
specific to a certain age.
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I loved a viewfinder because that is very specific to
a certain age yes, it is, Iloved a viewfinder as did I.
I I've, I've had many of youfind her over over the years.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, um, a fun toy and I thought a nice way to kind
of transition yes it, it's agreat transition, something very
typical, because you would getthat in a gift shop.
You would get that in a giftshop.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So yeah, it's a nice Using the viewfinder.
For those of you that don'tknow what a viewfinder is,
google it.
But a viewfinder would havebeen something you would have
gotten at a.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You would have gotten at a like, the like the little,
you would have gotten thelittle like the desk yeah, with
the with the images on it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, for sure, um, yeah, but yeah.
So they've got their wholelittle spiel.
So then it's the next day, Ithink is when the EPS driver
thing comes about.
So tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So he comes in, he's doing his thing.
Jay is very dismissive of himand he seems like a very nice
guy who's just looking for afriend.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, he's lonely because his wife left him.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, and that's where the lion is asking her to ask
him where the ring is, and ofcourse he starts crying Um.
And that is when she refers tohim as poor bitch, and that is a
recurrent.
Oh man, that made me laugh whenwhen the lion is trying to get
her to to do something and he'ssinging about her sister and
(18:22):
poor bitch sitting in a tree yes, yes, yes, so good.
Poor bitch.
Do we ever find that guy's nameout, or is he just poor bitch
the whole time?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No, I think because she calls him by name when he
comes into the restaurant laterwith the sister.
Oh, Because she says there'sso-and-so.
I don't remember his name.
Well, you keep talking aboutthat incident.
I will IMDB his name Poor bitch.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So basically the lion asks her to make a match.
So she assumes because poorbitch was outside talking to her
sister and thinks that hersister is hot that the lion
wants her to set up her sisterand the EPS guy Poor bitch.
So she arranges a dinner, getsboth of them there under false
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pretenses and it's a disaster,as one would expect.
We actually also shouldprobably backtrack to her at the
bar with her friend, right?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Tracy Toms.
That's the one.
Yes, do tell, please backtrack.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, she's telling her friend Tracy Toms about
what's happening and the friendis remarkably unrattled and just
keeps getting her more drinks.
And that's where she meets cutebartender.
And my assumption is she'seventually going to end up with
cute bartender.
So I'm just going to throw thatout there as a as a guess right
now what makes you think that?
(19:52):
Um well, at the end of theepisode he pops back up.
He's clearly into her.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Thomas.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's the EPS driver .
Yes, who's the cute bartender?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Who is the cute bartender?
That is Eric.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, eric Gotts.
And what is Tracy Tom's?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
character name Mahondra.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Mahondra, mahondra.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
McGinty, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Got all that I do.
I'm looking at it now too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh, okay, I'm glad we're both looking at that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh my God, we're a hundred years old.
The guy who played Alec is 44now.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I was, just I was, I literally was.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I was literally looking at him as well.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He was in episodes of warehouse 13.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh, that's a great show.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He was in Eureka.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I never watched Eureka.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Neither did I.
He was in, oh, he was in theMagicians, oh, which explains
why he looks so familiar he'sgot that kind of look too.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He was in iZombie nice, one of your favorites,
that is a favorite oh, he was inDaredevil.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Huh the tv series the original yeah, well, the
netflix, netflix series, anyway.
Yeah, he was also in psych.
You heard about pluto messed up, so anyway.
So where did you leave off withThomas the EPS?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So we talked about.
They were set up on the date.
We did not get too far intowhat happened on the date,
because then I was also talkingabout Tracy Thomas.
So it's a disaster date, yes,of course, during which her
sister Sharon that's her name,right, I believe.
So, yes, um, finally just tellsthe guy that she's a lesbian
(22:02):
and he of course thinks thatshe's making it up right, um,
because she, she uses the whole.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's not you, it's me right thing and he says you
can't use, it's not you, it's meI invented.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
It's not you, it's me so then she tells him she's a
lesbian yeah he's like oh, soyou're really just doing
everything now exactly and it'sinteresting in 2025, uh, to see
how different the portrayal of aperson saying they're gay on tv
was in 2004 I yeah, it's 21years ago, but it's just so
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interesting to see, kind of, howfar that's come in 20 years.
So of course this is also whenJay comes back to the table and
finds what's his name.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Thomas.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Eric Thomas, Pete, Okay, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Thomas, thomas.
Yes, the tank engine Like theEnglish muffin.
Exactly, thomas Thomas.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Thomas, yes, the tank engine Like the English muffin,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
He's got so many nooks and crannies.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well, he's eaten something with peanuts and he's
going into anaphylactic shock.
Well, because she comes backand goes, is that going to roll?
Which just shows you how littleattention she pays to him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Right, exactly, and she sees him daily.
Exactly so.
Again, it just reinforces thefact that that she's she's not.
She's very I don't want to sayself-absorbed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
No, I think she's honestly probably depressed.
Yeah, and I think what I meanand again, we've only watched
the first episode have and Ithink what I mean and again,
we've only watched the firstepisode.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Have you watched more ?
I have not.
My assumption I'm trying tokeep it fresh Is that this is
the seeing of the talking.
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Various things and we have to get into the other
things that she sees Right, butmy assumption is that this is
going to give her purpose and,you know, improve her life, sure
.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's yeah, there's so much to this episode.
I mean, we've already gone,geez, almost half an hour.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Good Lord, we're not.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, there's a lot more I mean because it's
basically an hour-long episodewith commercials.
Yep, there's so much.
Yeah, because she.
So I was just going to saythere's.
There's reminiscent pieces ofother TV shows that that come to
mind after watching this oneperson of interest.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Because the machine just gives out, basically like a
social security number, right,and they've they've got to
figure out is is it, is it avictim, is it a perpetrator?
Like right, what, what is, whatare they supposed to be doing?
So I see similarities here withthis show.
You know, she gets very littledetail about, yeah, what to do,
like what.
She has no idea why.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, in most cases she's just the instigator.
So so I mean, if we go throughthe rest of the story with her
sister and Thomas, they decideto drink him with a pen in the
car, With a big pen.
So then, as he arrives at thehospital, they yell out stabbing
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victim.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But what ends up happening then is Sharon meets
Thomas's ex-wife, who is stillhis emergency contact, right,
and they for sure hit it off.
Yes, and Thomas meets a lovelynurse, correct?
So she didn't know that was thematch that the wax lion was
asking her to make but she putit into motion.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, she just assumed that, yeah, that was her
sister.
And Thomas Well assumed that,yeah, that was her sister, and
she didn't know her sister was alesbian.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, she knew that her , that Thomas thought her sister
was hot.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And she wanted the lion to shut up.
Right, the lion was singingSharon and poor bitch sitting in
a tree.
Yeah, so I mean, that's true, Idon't think it was an incorrect
assumption it's not a far leapthat she was supposed to set the
two of them up, which is whatshe ends up doing that's why,
because what again?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
what, like I was saying?
What the line is saying issomewhat cryptic.
Right, because he's not, hedoesn't spell it out, he's.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He says do this, but he doesn't say why yeah, make me
a match exactly and by makingthe match between those two,
they end up meeting the peoplethat they're supposed to meet.
But that leads me to other,entirely different questions,
like Are these talking animalspsychic?
Where are these orders comingfrom?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, so this brings me to a very good point that I
wanted to discuss.
So this brings me to a verygood point that I wanted to
discuss, because I think thewhole plot, not subplot, but the
whole concept of I surrender todestiny, oh, oh, that comes
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into play.
So is this because they playthat really heavy in the
beginning?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
the whole.
I surrender to destiny right.
The maid of the mist goes overthe waterfall because she
surrenders to destiny.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yes, yes, yes.
So so is this destiny workingthrough jay?
Right to make these thingshappen, right?
So that's that's what that'show I interpreted it is the
whole.
I surrender to destiny.
Was Jay surrendering to destinyto help make these things
(27:26):
happen?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Right, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
So should we talk about thenext one, the next talking
animal which shows up at thepsychiatrist's office?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
What.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Okay, so she's in talking to her mother's
therapist, yes, and he's askingall kinds of weird questions
that I don't think an actualpsychiatrist would ever ask at
least mine never has well, it'svery, it's very funny because
it's the mother.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Did you mention?
It was the mother's like okay,so it's the mother psychiatrist,
so um because he said well,because she he asked her a
question.
She makes some comment about oh, um, oh, what is?
He saying Like he asked aboutsomething, about her being
depressed or something, andshe's like why?
What did my mother tell you?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, Is it like a do you have a like difficult family
life or something?
And she's like why did she sayI do?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Cause she first says he says tell me about your
family.
She says I don't like to gossip, um, and then he says something
and she goes why?
What did my mother tell youright?
And then he says we're not hereto talk about your mother.
And then he asked somethingelse and about like the like,
like do you have a difficultrelationship with your mother?
And she goes I thought weweren't talking about my mother.
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It's like this, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And then and then the monkey is he a bookend?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's a bookend, he's a bookend, he's a bookend.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What does he say?
They talk about I love yous,and that's not something that
happened in our family.
And then the monkey says I loveyou, I love you, I love you, I
love you.
Well, the monkey.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
well, the the first thing you catch is the monkey,
cause the monkey is holding abook on the bookend.
So the first thing you catch isthe monkey flipping through the
pages of the book and and Jaysees this and puts the, puts her
, her purse in front of him.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And so he actually leans around the purse to say he
loves her.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I love you and then, and then it cuts to her at the
bar.
After all that, with the monkeysitting on the bar, and so
there's whole conversationsabout talking to the monkey, and
with Tracy Toms and with thebartender Right, there's that
(29:40):
whole thing which I thought wasvery interesting.
I just thought it was funny.
I mean, it's just another, butthe monkey doesn't really tell
her to do anything.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
No, but when she comes back from.
Is it when she comes back fromthe hospital that she finds that
her sister climbed through thewindow of the trailer and then
she's sitting on the the edge ofthe bed with her and they're
talking and they're clearlybonding for the first time
possibly ever.
(30:12):
And that's when the monkey wholeans over and says I love you
Cause he wants her to tell hersister, and they do, and they're
obviously uncomfortable with it.
But it's also a moment wherethey finally have a connection
that they've never had before.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I agree it's a really touching, kind of a sweet
moment at the end of the, at theend of the episode.
It's a nice way to kind of liketie the whole thing up that
even even though she's gonethrough so much difficulty,
she's she's had a different, shehasn't had a difficult life,
but she's I don't think she'sfit in very well.
(30:48):
Yeah, she doesn't know what herpurpose is in life.
Um, she kind of tormented herolder sister yeah when they were
growing up.
So it's just a nice, a nice kindof sweet moment between the two
of them so I think the onlyother major piece of it is the
um.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
See a penny pick it up when she goes into the
fountain and gets a veryspecific quarter that then gets
away from her and lands insomebody's lunch bag well he
then throws in the trash rightand she finds the karen's stolen
handbag right, yeah, that, that, that.
That's a whole kind of mid-storysubplot yeah um kind of it sort
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of brings her to the.
It's the start of theconnection to her sister again
right right because she knockson 71 doors before she finds the
karen and then the karen's allpissed off that none of her
stuff is in the bag.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That jay took the time to return well, because she
, because she seemed morallysafer, right, and she knows how
these things work, so you andyour friend obviously set me up
on identity identity theft I'veseen this before and, uh, she
punches Jay in the face Right.
Because Jay's like I've beenknocking on.
I knocked on 71 doors.
Look at my knuckles, they'rebleeding and she puts her.
(32:06):
She puts her like her fist out.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And the woman pops her in the face and then Jay
just tackles her right into the,into the hotel room.
No one could blame her.
But then she calls her sister,because she's a lawyer, into the
hotel room.
No one could blame?
Her, but then she calls hersister because she's a lawyer,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And she was the only one home.
Right, Well, yeah, that too shewas how many people did you
call before me?
Five no sex.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And then, uh, at the end she's after another coin,
right, but now she's beinginstructed by don't squeeze the
Charmin.
It's a bear holding a NiagaraFalls barrel right.
Yeah, yeah.
So when she grabs him and heshrieks, yes, so good.
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So at the end of the episodeshe's chasing a woman who has
toilet paper stuck to her shoewhich is the don't squeeze the
Charmin.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And yelling after her .
I think I'm supposed to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And you've got toilet paper on your shoe.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Right, exactly so.
She is really surrendered todestiny at this point.
That this is this is kind ofwell.
Well, she gets at.
First she gets upset at thebear.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Because she told the lion that was it.
Yeah, she was one and done.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But that lion doesn't make deals.
No, she also hadn't returned tothat monkey and her mother had
come in and told her that thepsychiatrist was refusing to see
her again until the monkey wasreturned.
So I don't know what's going tohappen with the monkey.
I don't know if that's going toshow up in.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Maybe now that she's told her sister she loves her.
She'll take the monkey back tothe psychiatrist.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know, Ireally don't know.
But again and I just want topoint this out because I I
mentioned this when we werewatching the episode yeah, one
of my personal favorite commentsabout Jay should have realized
that her sister was a lesbianBecause, remember, this is 2004.
She goes because she drives anSUV, and I just found it like a
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very funny, dated kind ofcomment.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
The modern equivalent would be she drives a Subaru.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
She drives a Subaru.
So it was just a very funnycomment, because I mean I don't
remember 2004.
2004.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
2004.
Yeah, we'd been dating for ayear at that point 2004.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Two years.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Didn't we meet in 2002?
Oh, that's why we're divorced.
Wow, why did I think we met in2003?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For sure it was 2002.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
No, you're right, it was 2002.
2002.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah so so again 2004 .
I mean we're.
I don't think suvs were reallya big no suvs were not a big
thing back then my dad had aford explorer that was one of
like the first.
I feel like those were thefirst, yeah, the first suvs,
because we used to pack thatthing up to go down to college
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but our other cars were all smaller.
Right, right, right, we hadfour of those.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Exactly so.
Suvs weren't a big thing, soapparently they were big in the
lesbian community.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I guess.
So I mean, I don't know that,never would have occurred to me,
but okay.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I know exactly so.
Today it would have been aSubaru.
What else stood out to you justin?
I know exactly so, so today itwould have been a Subaru, um,
anything, what else?
What else stood out to you justin general, on the episode that
that you can think of?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm interested to see where it goes with the
bartender, Cause I do think thathe's clearly he's being set up
as a as a romantic interest.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I don't know if it's going to be romantic, but some
sort of close relationship there.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I do, I'm interested in.
I had written down in my noteslike what is her connection to
the princess who is the maid ofthe mist?
Because I get the whole like Ilike your whole, I surrender to
destiny.
But like how is she just thereto be a parallel or is there
some kind of like actualconnection?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What do you mean Like ?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
personality-wise, or in some, because Jay does not
strike me as the kind of personwho is going to, you know,
happily surrender to destiny.
She's a little too cynical anddisaffected.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think
that it's, I don't think they'redrawing a parallel between the
two, because, clearly, how doyou know?
I'm just saying I don't know, Idon't know yet, because we've
only watched one episode butwhat I?
Think yeah what I think is.
It's more just the surrenderingto destiny concept.
(37:04):
Yeah, they're just going aboutit two different ways, gotcha,
because the maid of the maid ofthe mist it was her father that
that put her in the canoe andand then changed his mind
changed his mind, mind and she'slike no, no, no no, I'm going
over.
I surrender to destiny in abarrel.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So I think it's just that whole concept of, of I
surrender to destiny, um, justin just, in different, in
different ways, right, I think?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
that'll be interesting to say yeah, that'll
be interesting to see, yeah,what about you?
Anything else here?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, no, I, I just I just I find the backdrop of
Niagara Falls really interesting, um.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I haven't been there for years and years, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I've never been, you've never been to Niagara.
Falls.
I've never been to NiagaraFalls.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You should, it's cool .
I think, I think I might.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I might have to Make sure your passport's up to date
because there's a very cutelittle Canadian community called
Niagara on the Lake.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You'd like it there.
Oh yeah, yeah, little shops andeverything it was very cute
Very nice.
Stumbled on it by accident, butit was a fun day.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'll keep that in mind.
I think it's just aninteresting backdrop for the
show.
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's a very romantic place.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
So I'm I'm curious if that's going to.
I'm curious, like, what aspectsof Niagara Falls are going to
play into the show.
Um, again, I mean we've seenmultiple relationships kind of
begin in this first episode, yep, so I don't know, again, I
(38:42):
don't know how that's all goingto play into it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Well, we don't know who are recurring characters yet
, or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Right, and we don't know who else is going to pop up
as guest stars.
We shall see.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I think we're going to find out?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yes, but interestingly enough.
So let's talk about the stars.
We shall see.
I think we're going to find out.
Yes, but interestingly enough.
So let's talk about kind of themain cast.
So, was it Caroline?
How do you pronounce her lastname, daverna?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, I think it was Davernas, I don't know if you
pronounced the S or not, I haveno idea.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Either way.
She pops up as Dr Alana Bloomin Hannibal, which is another
Brian Fuller, the creator ofthis show.
It's another one of his shows.
And then we all know that LeePace shows up in Pushing Daisies
(39:37):
, which is another Brian Fullershow, that Lee Pace shows up in
Pushing Daisies, which isanother Brian Fuller show, but
don't forget his best role as avampire in the Twilight Saga.
Oh, let's not remember that.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
He really brought up a very terrible movie series.
I love him.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He's hot.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
He makes a good vampire.
I'm sure he does.
He was in the Marvel movies heplayed the one bad guy.
I can't remember hischaracter's name.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh gosh, I know Purple guy.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Purple or blue Was he blue.
Was he one of the blue?
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think you're right.
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I don't recall, but anyway, so there's.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
so there's some well-known, some some, you know,
Brian Fuller brings around hisRonan.
Ronan Ronan, the accuser.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So he, brian Fuller, keeps his actors and actresses
around for other shows.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
He's another one of those guys yeah, there's a lot
of those guys now yeah, butagain I think it was a great
opening episode.
I mean, obviously they have tolay the groundwork for what's to
come yeah, pilots are alwaystough because there's a lot of
backstory that you've got topack for what's to come.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, pilots are always tough because there's a
lot of backstory that you've gotto pack into what's essentially
44 minutes Right.
You've got to really lay it allout there.
You've got to grab people,which I think this did.
I think it really got yourattention, really drew you into
the story, while still layingenough of the background to it
to to make you want to watch,want to watch more.
(41:21):
So.
So we'll have to check it outin the in the next episode.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
All right, Anything.
Any final parting thoughts?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I don't think so.
No, I'm good, I feel good.
I feel good about this episode.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Me too.
This was, this was it was.
I've watched what three or fourtimes now in preparation for
this, and you pick up somethinga little different each each
time.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So it's a surprisingly funny show for what
it is.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, poignant, very funny, sweet.
Yeah, somewhat poignant attimes, which is really nice.
It's not just a straight kindof comedy.
Would you throw it as a dramedy?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, I mean, if they can keep putting the bear in
the comedy category for theGolden Globes, I think we could
say this is definitely a dramedy.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, I would agree with that, all right.
Well, everybody, thank you forhanging out with us for our
discussion of the first episodeof Wonder Falls, the show that I
really feel, so far, I think.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, just from the first episode.
I would have been happy towatch another season of it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Well, let's point this out, I think.
What was it?
Only four episodes actuallyaired.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So, believe it or not , there's 13 episodes in the
season one, but only four ofthose actually aired in the US,
so that's really disappointing.
I feel like it should have beengiven much more of a shot than
it did receive.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I totally agree .
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, I don't even remember what it was up against
in.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
In 2004.
In 2004.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I don't even remember , but apparently it didn't hang
on there too well.
So we will talk through all 13episodes and hang out with us
next time when we talk aboutepisode two.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Great, thanks so much everyone.
Bye.
Bye next time when we talkabout episode two.
Awesome, great thanks so mucheveryone.
Bye.
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