July 29, 2025 • 39 mins
A cow-shaped creamer whispers "Bring her home," launching Jaye Tyler and her brother into an unexpected adventure that reveals hidden family connections, strange loyalties, and secrets buried for two decades.
When Jaye and Aaron find themselves arrested at the Canadian border, we discover they've embarked on a rescue mission for someone we've never met before – Yvette, their family's French-Canadian housekeeper of twenty years who's been suddenly deported. The mysterious muses guide Jay through a strange journey that defies explanation, as coincidences stack up and hidden truths emerge about Yvette's true identity.
The episode represents a fascinating shift in character dynamics, particularly between Jaye and Aaron. Suddenly these siblings are portrayed as co-conspirators and protectors of each other, with Jaye even physically defending her brother against a threat. Meanwhile, Aaron begins to piece together Jaye's strange behavior, confirming his suspicions about her conversations with inanimate objects. His decision to behead the talking cow creamer suggests he's not just aware of what's happening to his sister, but actively trying to protect her in his own way.
Beyond the supernatural elements, "Crime Dog" explores powerful themes about what makes a family and where we truly belong. When Jaye and Aaron discover Yvette isn't who she claims to be – she's actually "Cindy," who created a fictional identity to escape her neglectful parents – they're forced to reconsider what family loyalty truly means. The episode cleverly plays with dual meanings of "home," ultimately suggesting that family is less about blood connections than about who provides genuine love and support.
Listen now to uncover the tangled web of identity, family secrets, and talking creamer vessels in this never-aired episode of Wonderfalls. Have the muses been guiding Jaye toward meaningful connections all along, or is something more mysterious at work? Share your theories about Jaye's developing relationships with us online!
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Andrew (00:10):
ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting
, non-stop fantastical, superduper episode of seeking season
two, still talking aboutWonderfalls.
Today we are talking aboutEpisode 5 of Wonderfalls, the
first of the non-aired USepisodes but aired in Canada.
(00:34):
This episode is titled CrimeDog, which right off the bat I
want to say I find interesting.
Catherine (00:43):
Yeah.
Andrew (00:44):
Because it's really Crime.
Dog is not the primary creaturethat's talking to.
Catherine (00:50):
No, it's Cow Creamer.
It should be called Cow Creamer.
Andrew (00:53):
Cow Creamer, which I guess isn't as exciting as Crime
Dog.
Catherine (00:57):
Yeah, but I liked the Crime Dog, I mean McGruff.
Andrew (01:01):
Didn't McGruff get arrested?
Did he Look this up?
We're going to we're going tostart off right off the bat
about talking about somethingcompletely different the guy
that voiced McGruff, the crimedog.
I got arrested.
I swear to God, he murderedsomeone or something.
It was like something like that.
See how see how good my memoryis I've seen this as like a meme
(01:23):
on on social media.
Catherine (01:27):
McGruff the crime dog actor gets 16 years in prison.
See, I told you, John Morales,the actor who played the crime
fighting cartoon characterMcGruff the crime dog, was
sentenced to 16 years in prison,stemming from a 2011 arrest in
which police seized 1,000marijuana plants, 27 weapons,
(01:48):
including a grenade launcher,and 9,000 rounds of ammunition
from his home.
Andrew (01:54):
Boom, amazing.
I told you, mcgrath, the CrimeDog, is a criminal.
Catherine (02:01):
Morales insisted during the sentencing hearing
that he was nonviolent, but usdistrict judge Vanessa Gilmore
said everything I read about youmakes you seem like a scary
person.
He's going to take a bite outof crime.
All right, that's right.
Just that he liked it.
Andrew (02:16):
Exactly, take a bite out of his crime, my goodness.
But yeah, so again, mcgruff thecrime dog, a criminal.
So that again, mcgrath thecrime dog, a criminal.
So that's our little quickaside before we dive into this
episode.
Um, another sode, another sodeof wonderfalls.
God, they keep using sode.
Catherine (02:35):
Hey, it's, it's, it's a thing, we're gonna make it a
thing, I'm just reading throughum av club's review of this
episode and let me tell you, theperson who reviewed this really
loved this show.
Andrew (02:47):
Really loved Wonderfalls .
Huh, yeah, interesting.
So they actually liked thisepisode.
Yeah, wow, yeah, wow, let'sdive into it.
Yeah, so again episode fivetitled Crime Dog.
Catherine (03:03):
They call it Subversive subversive and this
was written in 2013, wow, yeahwow, subversive.
Andrew (03:15):
I, I disagree, uh, yeah, so our director and I'm going
to completely mispronounce hislast name, alan Croker, sure,
sure.
So, interestingly enough, you Idon't know that, I mean I'm I'm
not familiar with the name, butI am familiar with his work.
(03:35):
So his, his biggest stints atdirecting were 13 episodes Each
of star Trek, enterprise9, andVoyager.
Huh, so he's done a lot ofsci-fi work but done a lot of
work in Star Trek.
So that I thought wasinteresting.
(03:59):
Again, exactly 13 episodes ofeach.
So I don't know if that's, it'snot a season, it's like half a
season, I guess.
So I don't know, I don't knowhow they, if they're consecutive
or what, but anyway, big StarTrek director, directed this
episode of of Wonderfalls.
The writer, krista Vernoff,okay, interestingly enough,
(04:22):
became, eventually became theshowrunner for Grey's Anatomy
interesting yes, and then aspinoff.
There was some spinoff forGrey's Anatomy, which I don't
recall the title, but, um, shealso became.
She eventually became theshowrunner for the spinoff of
Grey's Anatomy.
So that's some of the some ofthe deets on the episode.
(04:46):
Before we dive in, shall wetalk about the synopsis of this
episode?
Yes, yes.
Okay, yes, so it was a littlebit of a confusing episode
because they played with thetimeline a lot, which is, I know
, ever such a clever ploy.
But Jay is arrested whiletrying to cross the Canadian
(05:11):
border with her brother, aaron,and their housekeeper, who was
deported.
Catherine (05:21):
Who we have never seen before, who has never been
alluded to before I know.
Andrew (05:25):
But yet she practically raised them, practically raised
these children We've never heard.
Most surprisingly, when Darrenhad the leg injury Right, where
was she?
Where was she If he loved her,as he said in this episode?
He loved her so much, yeahepisode he loved her so much.
(05:46):
Yeah, practically raised her.
Practically raised her wherewas she right.
So this is again so sloppy, butwe'll get into that.
So, anyway, the housekeepergets deported.
Jay and aaron go on a missionto retrieve Yvette, the
(06:08):
housekeeper of 20 years.
They'd been with them for 20years.
Aaron also is starting to catchon to Jay's secret that she's
hearing things and talking backto inanimate objects.
Catherine (06:26):
I feel like he's the only one taking it seriously.
Andrew (06:29):
Well, here's the thing, though.
See, this goes back to thewhole superficial relationship
Jay has with her family.
They don't notice.
The only time they noticeanything about her is when she
lands in prison or lands in jailI don't say prison, lands in
jail, gets arrested.
Catherine (06:45):
Right.
Andrew (06:46):
That's the only time they show up and like and or
show any any amount of concernfor her and her wellbeing.
So so it was not surprising,and I mean again it starts.
It plays into the last episodethat we just recorded talking
(07:08):
about Aaron and Jay'srelationship, how that has
apparently gotten much stronger.
But he's actually payingattention now and he's like wait
a second, what's going on withthis?
And he brings the creameraround and he's sticking it in
her face to see, like what herreaction is, which I thought was
(07:30):
very funny.
Um, but even though, eventhough this episode is called
crime dog, it's really the, themain, the primary muse is the
cow-shaped cream shaped creamdispenser who keeps saying bring
her home.
Catherine (07:47):
Yep.
Andrew (07:48):
Very similar to last episode when it was bring her
back, bring her back.
So we're we're bringing,bringing them back, bringing
them home.
We're bringing sexy back,whatever.
Catherine (08:00):
We're bringing back my Bonnie to me.
Andrew (08:01):
Yes, exactly, exactly, sure.
That was, that was good me.
Yes, exactly Exactly, sure,that was good, that was good,
deep cut, that was a deep cut.
Anyway, let's talk about themain plot.
Let's break it down.
Break it down.
Oh, oh, oh, no, I'm.
Let's break it down.
Okay, break it down.
(08:22):
Oh, won't you take me to afunky town?
Anyway, let's break down themain plot.
So again, it's messy becausethey, they, they jerk around
with the, the, the timeline,because it's it's the present.
Then they go back a couple ofdays because it starts with her.
Catherine (08:44):
It's like X hours before the arrest and you don't
know what they've been arrestedfor.
Andrew (08:48):
Yeah, it's X hours before the arrest, et cetera.
So so they they keep goingdoing flashbacks and eventually
getting back to to the presenttime.
Um, so really, what happens isthe main, the main plot is um,
so really, what happens is themain plot is that the
(09:08):
housekeeper, yvette, who isFrench-Canadian, or, I guess,
claims to be French-Canadianyeah, we'll get to that.
Yeah, french-canadianhousekeeper of 20 years,
interestingly enough.
So, before the bring her home,the cow creamer, says eat a
(09:33):
pancake.
Yeah, eat a pancake, have apancake and she's like what have
a pancake.
Catherine (09:41):
What did they keep saying?
Yvette was putting in them Figs.
Andrew (09:44):
I don't remember, I don't remember, I was not paying
attention, I did not payattention to that, that detail
and I'm looking at.
Okay, please do so.
So the the muse, the cow, thethe cow shaped creamer, um.
Catherine (10:02):
Yeah, figs, figs.
There's literally a recipe forWonderfall's fig pancakes
Fascinating yeah so oh my god,are we doing something wrong?
Because here's another reviewsite where it says this is a
fantastic episode.
I don't know do we not carethat this character never
(10:28):
existed before this episode?
Andrew (10:30):
five episodes in people are willing to look past a lot,
a lot, which is sad, so anyway.
So People are willing to lookpast a lot, apparently A lot,
which is sad, so anyway.
So Sharon and Karen, karen,right yeah, the mother, the
mother, sharon.
Catherine (10:45):
Karen, darren and Aaron, exactly, and Jay.
Andrew (10:49):
And Peggy.
Yeah, exactly so Sharon andKaren are trying to get Yvette
out of the house, right?
But the cow creamer keepsinsisting on having Jay ask for
a pancake Right, which delaysYvette from leaving, right.
(11:10):
And then the two immigrationagents show up at the door.
Catherine (11:18):
Yeah, it's weird to hear it referred to as INS.
It's all about ICE now.
It's all about ICE.
Andrew (11:26):
It's strange that 20 years ago, how relevant this
kind of the topics that arebroached in this episode, how
relevant this, this kind of thetop, the topics that are
broached in this episode, howrelevant they are to to today,
Because it was, it was already.
It's already alluded to inprevious episodes that Sharon is
(11:49):
an immigration attorney, Right,and the the immigration agents
show up, arrest, they have awarrant.
So again, make sure that's ajudicial warrant if ICE agents
show up.
So they have a warrant and theytake into custody Yvette and
(12:20):
bring her home.
So again, I'm not reallyspoiling anything, but remember
we discover later that Yvette'sname is not even Yvette, it's
Cindy.
Catherine (12:33):
Right, and she is not French-Canadian.
Andrew (12:36):
And she is not French and she is not French Canadian,
so she's just regular Canadian.
So I how?
So my question is how do theyget, how do they get a warrant
for Yvette If she's not Yvette?
Like wouldn't they know thather name is actually Cindy?
Catherine (12:53):
right.
Andrew (12:54):
Like how would they get, how would they get a warrant
for Yvette If she's not evenlike it's sloppy writing?
I know why am I silly me askingquestions silly you expecting
things to make sense right,exactly so.
Anyway, immigration agents takeher away.
(13:14):
Darren is very upset, right.
And then this is when Jay andAaron start conspiring to
Because they're best friends,because they are besties, they
are bestie besties.
Catherine (13:33):
Besties for the restie.
Andrew (13:34):
That's right.
So they plot and scheme to gorescue Yvette.
Yeah, so that's that's kind ofwhat happens in the meantime.
It keeps cutting to.
It keeps cutting to scenes ofSharon being being questioned or
(13:57):
hurt.
She's telling her story tosomebody like I don't.
I don't understand what thateven is.
She's sitting there smokingcigarettes telling her story,
telling this whole story tosomebody who I I don't know who
this person is Like.
I don't even know how that fitsinto the story.
Catherine (14:16):
Yeah.
Andrew (14:17):
Because then it also cuts to scenes of Sharon behind
the, behind the mirror glass,talking with with the agents who
are also questioning Jay aftershe's been arrested.
It's, yeah, it's really, it'sreally weird, but anyway, it's
(14:37):
really weird.
But anyway, the whole thing isJay and Aaron drive up to Canada
, drive over the border intoCanada and it's not what it's
called, no, it is the 51st stateum, so they drive up to canada,
(15:04):
they drive to the bus stationwhere event apparently has,
where the deportation bus justdrops them off at a bus station
and you get off with yourluggage, get out with your
luggage, and you're, you're backin canada, um, so it's all very
strange.
So they, they, they locateyvette, they.
(15:25):
Then what happens?
So then they're, they're tryingto get her back to um, get her
back to America, get her back tothe US, to her family, to
Jayden Aaron's family.
And as they're driving, all ofa sudden it's the cow creamer
(15:46):
going right on red, right on redand shouting right on red.
And then, finally, jay looks upand sees there's a red light
and cuts a hard right, turnright down a one-way street,
going the wrong direction yeahso she's dodging cars back and
forth just typical sitcom.
(16:07):
Everybody's screaming and oh,we're driving down the road
exactly, um, that, that, thatold trope, yeah.
So, oh ah, people jumping outof the way, cars swerving,
nobody hitting another car, noneof that, just Jay finally
making it down the street andthen suddenly Jay swerves, runs
(16:27):
up on someone's front lawn andwe discover that it ends up
being Yvette's parents yes, ofall the homes in all of Canada,
which is a notoriously tinycountry yes.
Jesus.
Well, the muses know all this,so that's why they are privy to
(16:48):
information Unbeknownst to us,but knownst to them.
But knownst to the muses isthis information and so they
work out everything.
so we then we quickly discoverthat yvette does, does not have
a french accent anymore, thatthat disappears, yep, and
(17:10):
they're referring to her as whatI say, cindy, cindy, cindy, but
Cindy.
Apparently their housekeeper isYvette, with a French accent.
So that's where Cindy got thiswhole persona is from her own
housekeeper, yvette.
And then through all theconversations we discover that
(17:37):
Yvette was the only one thatreally raised her.
It really raised Cindy becauseher parents were never there.
So now that just makes me thinkof Pete Davidson and Smoke
Cheddar, the ass gunner.
You were never there for me,mom.
(17:59):
You were never there for me,mom.
That's like what pops into myhead is now those two singing
about how his mom was neverthere for him.
So don't mind me, that's how mybrain works.
So, anyway, there's aconfrontation.
Jay decks Cindy's father, yeah,yeah, which again.
Catherine (18:23):
I talked about this in the last episode.
Now she and lee pace, aka aaron, are super best friends, to the
point where she's like don'tmess with my family.
Really right where.
And she even says, like I hadno idea that this like loyalty
was there, but like it's becausethe father doesn't, he hit
aaron and then she decks thefather and, come on, we've seen
(18:48):
none of this loyalty.
Like she's going into the housewith her laundry every day now,
right, what is?
happening again for the maidthat we've never seen before to
do the laundry right, exactly.
Andrew (18:59):
And then, and then, the father at the end of the episode
talks about cause.
She was like thank you forgiving up your principles Like
yeah.
Sacrificing your principles tosave me.
And he's like family alwayscomes first.
Like, suddenly, the mob, likethe Republican mob, like take
(19:20):
the gun, leave the canoes.
What the hell?
Speaking of which, what are the?
Did you, did you catch, whenthey were doing the review of
all the uh, civics questions?
And they, they, they asked,they, asked you that slash,
cindy.
What are, what are the twoparties?
Catherine (19:36):
Yeah.
Andrew (19:37):
Where the two political parties and she goes the
Republicans and the gop and hegoes.
Catherine (19:45):
That's right, I did not catch that.
Andrew (19:45):
Oh my god they're all like dad, he's like well, she
got it right.
I thought.
Catherine (19:52):
I just thought that was funny I thought that was
very funny well, because we'vetalked before about the fact
that we knew that they would berepublicans.
Andrew (19:58):
Oh yes, oh yeah, so he, he pulled some strings,
obviously too.
So that was the whole thing.
So at the end he pulls all thestrings to and because the
immigration attorney, sharon,doesn't really do anything.
Yeah, it was the father thatwent and played a round of golf
with one of his politicalfriends and got Jay released and
(20:23):
then got Yvette slash Cindyreleased so that she could
actually go and get hercitizenship, take the test and
actually pass it.
Catherine (20:37):
And I mean, I think it's heavily implied that the
reason she never passed the testwas that she never took the
test because she was livingunder an assumed name.
No, because no remember,because they said she kept
failing it, but I don't know.
Andrew (20:51):
The mother confessed.
The mother confessed that shewas.
She needed her around the house.
Catherine (20:58):
Oh, so she didn't let her.
Andrew (21:00):
Sharon said she's like we were too like we needed her
around the house, we couldn't'tlet her.
Sharon said she's like we weretoo like we needed her around
the house, we couldn't let hergo take the test.
I don't remember that.
Oh, there was a whole thing.
Can I yeah time out?
Yeah, yeah, so she never.
The mother sharon never tookher to the citizens citizenship
class because, um, there was toomuch to do around the house,
(21:22):
which again, oh my god, richwhite people like you can't do
anything like on your own, likejesus, rich white people.
Catherine (21:34):
But again it's just the sloppy, sloppy.
She couldn't let her out of thehouse.
We've never seen her before.
She's never exactly, and Iguarantee you we never see her
again, right.
Andrew (21:51):
Because this is.
I guess there was technicallythree episodes filmed before
this one, I don't know.
I don't know in what order theyfilmed them all.
Anyway, four episodes beforethis which we've never seen her
and we'll probably never see heragain.
That's the whole funny thing.
That's what I just said I canguarantee you'll never see her
in another episode.
Catherine (22:11):
What was this writer's room?
Oh, you know what would be fun.
Let's do a deportation storyabout their maid.
They don't have a maid, they donow.
Andrew (22:18):
Jesus Christ, it's awful , it's just shoddy shoddy
craftsmanship, um, so anyway.
So that that's really the wholemain plot is just this whole
get her back to.
Well, so I, I, I got, I gotdiverted.
So so the realization is thatYvette slash, cindy reconnects,
(22:46):
not reconnects with her parents,but sees her parents again and
realizes that she doesn't wantto be there.
Catherine (22:52):
Yeah, like she said, that over the last 20 years she
wondered if she had made amistake in leaving, made a
mistake right in leaving.
But now that she sees that herparents haven't changed at all,
she realizes she did the rightthing.
Because, even though I stilldon't feel that the writing has
given this family maybe thefather at this point, but the
mother any kind of redeemingqualities, she still got more
(23:14):
affection and more of what sheneeded from being with their
family right than her own.
Andrew (23:20):
Right.
So that's the bring her home.
It's not the bring her home toAmerica.
Catherine (23:25):
No, it's the bring her home to what she views as
her family, her childhood homeRight and her family, and then
bring her back to her family,which is Jay's family, right,
but we'll never see her again.
And also, I could talk aboutthis in the things that doesn't.
That didn't work for me.
Why does she go back to theFrench accent when they know
she's not French Canadian?
Andrew (23:47):
They go to call her Cindy Right.
Catherine (23:49):
They call her Cindy, but she still has the fucking
French accent.
And I work with a number ofFrench Canadians.
They do not sound like Lumierefrom Beauty and the Beast.
Andrew (24:00):
I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
Catherine (24:02):
would you do like the pancake?
Andrew (24:04):
right, come on, it's just it's bad.
So so, what's, what's reallythe?
Are there any subplots?
I mean, I guess I guess it'sthe sharon, yeah, subplot ish
like relationship, because inthe end it's almost like they.
I say reconcile, end, it'salmost like they.
I say reconcile because it'snot like that.
But they were kind of havingthis, this combative
(24:28):
relationship in the wholeepisode.
Because she calls her the.
What's the?
What does Jay call her?
Jay calls her the.
I don the.
Um, I don't know what you do.
I don't know, I don't knowscrap that hold on, I'm looking
(24:52):
squealer jay calls her thesquealer she's like you
squealing, squealer.
She's like why are you callingme that?
Because you squealed?
That's what I was trying to getat.
So so they have a contentiousrelationship in the episode, but
they kind of reconcile in theend and and come back again
because it all, it's all aboutfamily.
(25:12):
Right again, this is sopranos.
Uh, I, I don't know.
Or is it the fast and thefurious?
I don't, I don't know, or is itthe Fast and the Furious?
I?
Catherine (25:22):
don't know.
Andrew (25:24):
Or is it Olive Garden when you hear your family?
I don't know.
Catherine (25:27):
I don't know what's going on in this episode no
she's French, canadian, notItalian, so it's not Olive
Garden Is.
Andrew (25:34):
Olive Garden really Italian though.
Catherine (25:35):
No, no, it is not.
Andrew (25:39):
Exactly that's my point.
Yes.
Catherine (25:44):
No, it is not.
Yeah, exactly, that's my point.
Yes, I'm just trying to thinkif there's anything else About
subplot.
Andrew (25:51):
Yeah, I mean that was oh well.
I mean well, the other subplotis really Aaron trying to suss
out.
Catherine (25:59):
Yeah, what's going on with Jay?
Andrew (26:00):
What's going on with Jay ?
What's going on with jay?
Catherine (26:01):
which did pull out one of my favorite lines, but
also so inappropriate.
Yes is your.
You parade your trailer parkhill.
No, you wear your trailer parkhillbilly lifestyle around your
neck like a clove of garlic.
Wow, trying to ward off thefamily, wow there's there's some
interesting lines in thisepisode.
Andrew (26:23):
We'll get to that, so let's talk about that next.
Do you have three favoritemoments?
Catherine (26:29):
Yes.
Andrew (26:29):
Okay, hit me.
Catherine (26:33):
When Jay is walking into the house and she thinks
the flamingos are talking to herbut it's actually the gardener
next door.
Andrew (26:43):
That was good.
Catherine (26:43):
That was really funny .
I thought that was very, veryclever Sorry.
Andrew (26:46):
I'm PMSing.
That was her and he goes.
Catherine (26:50):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, so I liked that.
That was good.
I liked, um I think it wasAaron's reference to the cocaine
cows yes, was aaron's referenceto the cocaine cows?
Yes, the smuggling cocaine andthe cow creamers, yes, so I
liked that.
That was good.
Um, and then my, my absolutefavorite was that the like
(27:10):
knockoff version of mcgruff thecrime dog was painted as like a
1920s film noir cop hey doll.
Andrew (27:17):
That was so funny to me let me just say this, since this
will be one of my things thatdid not.
Well, it's not that it did ordid not work, but here was the
weird thing yeah the crime dogwas the first one to actually
have a basically have aconversation right with jay yeah
, instead of just sayingsomething to her instead of just
repeating the same line.
I actually had a conversationwith jay yeah, again, which
(27:40):
think.
Is that sloppy writing or wasthat a specific choice?
Yeah, I don't know, but it wasweird because I noticed that I'm
like, wait a second, this dog'sactually talking to her.
Was this the?
Catherine (27:51):
first episode where you had multiple muses talking
to her and not like the singingin the last one or whatever,
like multiple ones leading herto where she needed to.
No, it's not, because in thefirst episode you had the Eagle
on the quarter and you had thewax lion.
Andrew (28:10):
Right.
Catherine (28:11):
And I think the monkey in the with the barrel
was in the end of that one too.
Andrew (28:15):
So okay nevermind.
Yep.
No, they've definitely hadmultiple muses talking to her in
the in the same episode.
Catherine (28:22):
Hey, doll just tickled me, that was so funny to
me, I'm like and what else was?
Andrew (28:29):
was that those are three .
Those are your three.
Catherine (28:30):
That was the flamingos, the cocaine cows and
the crime dog.
Andrew (28:34):
So I, I only had two, okay, so I just so, I just cause
I I love.
Catherine (28:42):
I love Queer Eye, yeah, but I hated that line, I
hated the line, but I love.
Queer.
Andrew (28:45):
Eye when he, when he's like strange men came into our
house like those homosexuals dowho do makeovers, like really is
that?
Is that like how we're it's?
Catherine (28:53):
very early 2000s.
Andrew (28:55):
Very early it was.
It was just it's like I get thelike, I get the meaning, yeah.
Just it's like I, I get thelike, I get the meaning, yeah
like the meaning I thought wasfunny, the just the.
Catherine (29:04):
The delivery was not, and you know it's funny because
I think it's partially.
They probably didn't have therights to say queer eye, right
we've been talking about theyprobably couldn't even say queer
, like we've been.
We've been skirting aroundsomething similar at work
because one of our products wasfeatured on a very popular show
recently and we've been tryingto figure out how to potentially
use that in organic socialwithout getting sued by a
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company that is run by a verylarge mouse.
Um, so I'll tell you about itwhen we're done.
Interesting, yeah okay but Ithink it's probably something
similar to that where theydidn't have the rights to talk
about queer eye for the straightguy Right, Because I think you
you probably could have said theshow title Right At that point.
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Right, I would think so but I'mgoing to guess they didn't have
the money to actually referencethe show title Right, perhaps,
maybe.
Andrew (29:54):
So my other, my other, my other favorite moment was I
thought this was so funny.
Yeah, when I'm trying to thinkof where she was storming out of
Jay I don't know if it was thebarrel, the restaurant, the bar
or what but Sharon is standingright by the door and Jay is
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like bolting out because the cowjust told her to do something.
Yeah, and she goes, stupid cow.
Catherine (30:22):
Oh, that's, right, yes.
Andrew (30:23):
And Sharon goes selfish bitch yes.
Catherine (30:27):
Yeah, that was funny.
Andrew (30:30):
I thought that was a great.
Just little line.
Yeah, that I thought was good.
All right, let's hit.
We've already hit a ton of it.
Is there anything else thatworked or didn't work in in this
episode?
Catherine (30:44):
okay, so you know how .
In the last one I said why isthis priest such a dick?
Yeah my note on this one is whyis this cop such a bitch, right
?
What was that?
Yeah, she didn't kill someone,I know, although I think they
were trying to make it seem inthe beginning like she did kill
someone, right.
But the cop comes in and justtears her a new one, right.
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And I'm like.
I was like are we doing goodcop, bad cop, because there's no
other cop here?
Right, they're just doing badcop.
Yeah, we're just doing bad cop,just bad cop, bad cop.
I just thought it wasoverwritten, overacted for the
cop, like what the hell?
Andrew (31:21):
Exactly so okay.
So the one thing that didn'twork for me, which I thought was
just really, you know what I'mgoing to say.
Catherine (31:31):
I know what you're going to say.
Yeah.
Andrew (31:34):
She's like those are lesbian hands.
Yeah, those are lesbian fingers, the short nails, the short
cuticles and the short nails,the short cuticles and the short
nails.
Catherine (31:41):
She goes no, the short cuticle, it was the short
nails and the like, immaculatecuticles or something like the
nail bed.
Andrew (31:47):
Something about like you know why.
Catherine (31:49):
You know why lesbians have short fingernails and then
it cuts away like it's a jokeI'm like what the fuck?
Andrew (31:56):
that was just like so tasteless.
Catherine (31:58):
I was just like I'm like really I'm like oh, were
you afraid we forgot thatSharon's a lesbian and you're
not okay with it?
Andrew (32:05):
Oh my God Like oh my.
Catherine (32:07):
God, yeah, it was just, it was just.
But again it's one of thoseearly two thousands things Right
when it was okay back then.
I mean it shouldn't have beenno it was not okay, it was
accepted yeah, yeah, yeah so.
Andrew (32:27):
So there's that, um, but , like other things that I'm
trying to, there's anything,anything else that we haven't
already discussed.
That didn't work.
Um, it's not a piece of trivia,but what, what I thought, what
I?
It was so funny because thefather, cindy's father I don't
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know if you remember he was oneof the, he was one of the guys
Um.
Cindy's father was um one ofthe factory owners in um Tommy
boy.
Catherine (33:09):
Oh, I didn't.
Oh, now that you say it, yeah.
Andrew (33:12):
When he was like clock that at the time when um cause
Tommy's like if I stuck my headup a bull's ass.
That's what Spade goes chickenwings, chicken wings, and he's
like he's like what was it crazylittle snooze, crazy little
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goose sniffer.
This is the fairy.
Yeah, well, we're not buying it.
Next thing, you know, there'smoney missing off the dresser
and your daughter's knocked up.
I've seen it a hundred times.
He's like what, but anyway.
So yeah, the father was from.
I've seen him in in Tommy Boy,he's been in a bunch of other
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things, but I think he does alot of voiceover work too.
But yeah, there's just a lotthat didn't work in this episode
Again a housekeeper that neverexisted before, that's
supposedly such a close memberof the family for the last 20
years, who I assume is supposedto live with them.
Catherine (34:19):
Yeah, and we've never seen her before.
Andrew (34:23):
I don't know.
I don't know if she lived withthem or not.
Cause remember this is just arandom thing that I remember
Cause remember she writes abirthday card for the father and
includes her key, which doesn'tmean that she doesn't live
there no, because she had a keyto the house.
I know you have to have a keyto the house.
But if you live there but Idon't know either way though,
like if she, yeah, came in inthe morning like let herself in,
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maybe I don't know.
Catherine (34:45):
Either way, sloppy writing yes.
Andrew (34:49):
so all that, all that aside, let's talk about some
behind-the-scenes trivia and funfacts.
Okie, dokie, do, do, do, do.
Catherine (34:59):
Oh, is that our behind-the-scenes music?
I'll come up with something Funfacts, fun facts.
Andrew (35:07):
So, jay, apparently this is stuff I think I pulled this
off of IMDB.
Jay drives a 1966Studebakeraker.
Yeah, I kind of love that car,which apparently was the last
year that car was built um, andI I don't know if I mentioned
this before, but I think I thinkI mentioned this before we
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started recording.
So trailers for this episodeactually did air in the us.
They they were broadcast by Fox.
Catherine (35:36):
And then they just never aired the episode.
Andrew (35:38):
And then the series was canceled before the episode
actually aired.
Rude, right, I mean talk abouta weird time to make a decision,
right?
But yeah, so they airedtrailers for this episode,
advertised it but then neveraired it.
When Jay and Aaron go to Canadato find yvette cindy cindy,
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they go.
They go to the bus station cvet.
Exactly.
Indy, indy, indy, there we go.
That's the dog's name.
Exactly so.
Apparently it's the concourseof the Skydome, which is now
Rogers Stadium or something, orRogers whatever.
But yeah, apparently it's theconcourse of the Skydome in
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Toronto.
That's what they chose to makea bus station.
Catherine (36:31):
All right then.
Andrew (36:32):
Yeah, so those were some of the little interesting
tidbits, of fun facts fun facts,fun facts, exactly.
So again another sloppytroublesome episode fun facts.
Catherine (36:50):
Fun facts we taught you how to freebase crack oh oh.
Andrew (36:55):
We didn't teach him how to.
We taught him what freebasingwas.
It's not like we gave himstep-by-step instructions.
I mean, we could do that on thenext episode.
That's what YouTube is for.
Say no to drugs kids.
Catherine (37:12):
So anyway any.
Andrew (37:13):
Chubby.
That is one chubby cat.
That's our Mulder, right buddy.
Yeah, anyway, any parting.
Other thoughts on Crime Dog.
Crime Dog, not Crime Dog, yeah,cow-shaped.
Catherine (37:30):
Yeah, cow creamer, yeah, oh yes.
We didn't talk about the factthat at the end of the episode,
yeah, cow creamer, yeah, oh yes.
We didn't talk about the factthat at the end of the episode,
it is revealed that Aaron brokethe head off the cow creamer.
That's right.
Andrew (37:44):
So Is that so it won't talk to Jay anymore?
Catherine (37:46):
I think so.
Yes, so there was a text chainbetween myself and Andrew
earlier, and my last series oftexts to you was the writing is
just so inconsistent.
Suddenly, lee Pace is a maincharacter after barely being in
the first three episodes, and heand Jay are super tight and
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they both hate Sharon and theyhad a housekeeper who
practically raised them.
And then the last text is Aaronkilled the cow creamer.
That's right, yeah, so I thinkit's so that it will stop
talking.
So that's why I'm like hebelieves her Right, or he at
least believes that she believessomething's happening.
(38:30):
Right, right, right.
He's going to behead thoseflamingos if he finds out.
Right, oh my God, what's goingto?
Andrew (38:34):
behead those flamingos if he finds out Right.
Oh my god, what's going tohappen to the wax lion?
Catherine (38:38):
Is he going to put that in a frying pan and tell
Yvette to make it into a?
Andrew (38:41):
pancake With figs Figs.
Catherine (38:47):
Just keep them in newtons, alright.
Grind you up and put you in acookie If I thought it would
move product.
Andrew (38:52):
Love you, gary Goldman Goleman.
Catherine (38:55):
It's always a Gary Goleman reference.
Andrew (38:57):
And, on that note, thank you everyone for listening to
another fun-filled, filled withfun facts, fun facts, fun facts.
Please don't smoke crack,that's right.
Thank you again.
We will catch you next time onSeeking Season 2.
Bye, bye, bye.
ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting
, non-stop fantastical, superduper episode of seeking season
two, still talking aboutWonderfalls.
Today we are talking aboutEpisode 5 of Wonderfalls, the
first of the non-aired USepisodes but aired in Canada.
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This episode is titled CrimeDog, which right off the bat I
want to say I find interesting.
Catherine (00:43):
Yeah.
Andrew (00:44):
Because it's really Crime.
Dog is not the primary creaturethat's talking to.
Catherine (00:50):
No, it's Cow Creamer.
It should be called Cow Creamer.
Andrew (00:53):
Cow Creamer, which I guess isn't as exciting as Crime
Dog.
Catherine (00:57):
Yeah, but I liked the Crime Dog, I mean McGruff.
Andrew (01:01):
Didn't McGruff get arrested?
Did he Look this up?
We're going to we're going tostart off right off the bat
about talking about somethingcompletely different the guy
that voiced McGruff, the crimedog.
I got arrested.
I swear to God, he murderedsomeone or something.
It was like something like that.
See how see how good my memoryis I've seen this as like a meme
(01:23):
on on social media.
Catherine (01:27):
McGruff the crime dog actor gets 16 years in prison.
See, I told you, John Morales,the actor who played the crime
fighting cartoon characterMcGruff the crime dog, was
sentenced to 16 years in prison,stemming from a 2011 arrest in
which police seized 1,000marijuana plants, 27 weapons,
(01:48):
including a grenade launcher,and 9,000 rounds of ammunition
from his home.
Andrew (01:54):
Boom, amazing.
I told you, mcgrath, the CrimeDog, is a criminal.
Catherine (02:01):
Morales insisted during the sentencing hearing
that he was nonviolent, but usdistrict judge Vanessa Gilmore
said everything I read about youmakes you seem like a scary
person.
He's going to take a bite outof crime.
All right, that's right.
Just that he liked it.
Andrew (02:16):
Exactly, take a bite out of his crime, my goodness.
But yeah, so again, mcgruff thecrime dog, a criminal.
So that again, mcgrath thecrime dog, a criminal.
So that's our little quickaside before we dive into this
episode.
Um, another sode, another sodeof wonderfalls.
God, they keep using sode.
Catherine (02:35):
Hey, it's, it's, it's a thing, we're gonna make it a
thing, I'm just reading throughum av club's review of this
episode and let me tell you, theperson who reviewed this really
loved this show.
Andrew (02:47):
Really loved Wonderfalls .
Huh, yeah, interesting.
So they actually liked thisepisode.
Yeah, wow, yeah, wow, let'sdive into it.
Yeah, so again episode fivetitled Crime Dog.
Catherine (03:03):
They call it Subversive subversive and this
was written in 2013, wow, yeahwow, subversive.
Andrew (03:15):
I, I disagree, uh, yeah, so our director and I'm going
to completely mispronounce hislast name, alan Croker, sure,
sure.
So, interestingly enough, you Idon't know that, I mean I'm I'm
not familiar with the name, butI am familiar with his work.
(03:35):
So his, his biggest stints atdirecting were 13 episodes Each
of star Trek, enterprise9, andVoyager.
Huh, so he's done a lot ofsci-fi work but done a lot of
work in Star Trek.
So that I thought wasinteresting.
(03:59):
Again, exactly 13 episodes ofeach.
So I don't know if that's, it'snot a season, it's like half a
season, I guess.
So I don't know, I don't knowhow they, if they're consecutive
or what, but anyway, big StarTrek director, directed this
episode of of Wonderfalls.
The writer, krista Vernoff,okay, interestingly enough,
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became, eventually became theshowrunner for Grey's Anatomy
interesting yes, and then aspinoff.
There was some spinoff forGrey's Anatomy, which I don't
recall the title, but, um, shealso became.
She eventually became theshowrunner for the spinoff of
Grey's Anatomy.
So that's some of the some ofthe deets on the episode.
(04:46):
Before we dive in, shall wetalk about the synopsis of this
episode?
Yes, yes.
Okay, yes, so it was a littlebit of a confusing episode
because they played with thetimeline a lot, which is, I know
, ever such a clever ploy.
But Jay is arrested whiletrying to cross the Canadian
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border with her brother, aaron,and their housekeeper, who was
deported.
Catherine (05:21):
Who we have never seen before, who has never been
alluded to before I know.
Andrew (05:25):
But yet she practically raised them, practically raised
these children We've never heard.
Most surprisingly, when Darrenhad the leg injury Right, where
was she?
Where was she If he loved her,as he said in this episode?
He loved her so much, yeahepisode he loved her so much.
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Yeah, practically raised her.
Practically raised her wherewas she right.
So this is again so sloppy, butwe'll get into that.
So, anyway, the housekeepergets deported.
Jay and aaron go on a missionto retrieve Yvette, the
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housekeeper of 20 years.
They'd been with them for 20years.
Aaron also is starting to catchon to Jay's secret that she's
hearing things and talking backto inanimate objects.
Catherine (06:26):
I feel like he's the only one taking it seriously.
Andrew (06:29):
Well, here's the thing, though.
See, this goes back to thewhole superficial relationship
Jay has with her family.
They don't notice.
The only time they noticeanything about her is when she
lands in prison or lands in jailI don't say prison, lands in
jail, gets arrested.
Catherine (06:45):
Right.
Andrew (06:46):
That's the only time they show up and like and or
show any any amount of concernfor her and her wellbeing.
So so it was not surprising,and I mean again it starts.
It plays into the last episodethat we just recorded talking
(07:08):
about Aaron and Jay'srelationship, how that has
apparently gotten much stronger.
But he's actually payingattention now and he's like wait
a second, what's going on withthis?
And he brings the creameraround and he's sticking it in
her face to see, like what herreaction is, which I thought was
(07:30):
very funny.
Um, but even though, eventhough this episode is called
crime dog, it's really the, themain, the primary muse is the
cow-shaped cream shaped creamdispenser who keeps saying bring
her home.
Catherine (07:47):
Yep.
Andrew (07:48):
Very similar to last episode when it was bring her
back, bring her back.
So we're we're bringing,bringing them back, bringing
them home.
We're bringing sexy back,whatever.
Catherine (08:00):
We're bringing back my Bonnie to me.
Andrew (08:01):
Yes, exactly, exactly, sure.
That was, that was good me.
Yes, exactly Exactly, sure,that was good, that was good,
deep cut, that was a deep cut.
Anyway, let's talk about themain plot.
Let's break it down.
Break it down.
Oh, oh, oh, no, I'm.
Let's break it down.
Okay, break it down.
(08:22):
Oh, won't you take me to afunky town?
Anyway, let's break down themain plot.
So again, it's messy becausethey, they, they jerk around
with the, the, the timeline,because it's it's the present.
Then they go back a couple ofdays because it starts with her.
Catherine (08:44):
It's like X hours before the arrest and you don't
know what they've been arrestedfor.
Andrew (08:48):
Yeah, it's X hours before the arrest, et cetera.
So so they they keep goingdoing flashbacks and eventually
getting back to to the presenttime.
Um, so really, what happens isthe main, the main plot is um,
so really, what happens is themain plot is that the
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housekeeper, yvette, who isFrench-Canadian, or, I guess,
claims to be French-Canadianyeah, we'll get to that.
Yeah, french-canadianhousekeeper of 20 years,
interestingly enough.
So, before the bring her home,the cow creamer, says eat a
(09:33):
pancake.
Yeah, eat a pancake, have apancake and she's like what have
a pancake.
Catherine (09:41):
What did they keep saying?
Yvette was putting in them Figs.
Andrew (09:44):
I don't remember, I don't remember, I was not paying
attention, I did not payattention to that, that detail
and I'm looking at.
Okay, please do so.
So the the muse, the cow, thethe cow shaped creamer, um.
Catherine (10:02):
Yeah, figs, figs.
There's literally a recipe forWonderfall's fig pancakes
Fascinating yeah so oh my god,are we doing something wrong?
Because here's another reviewsite where it says this is a
fantastic episode.
I don't know do we not carethat this character never
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existed before this episode?
Andrew (10:30):
five episodes in people are willing to look past a lot,
a lot, which is sad, so anyway.
So People are willing to lookpast a lot, apparently A lot,
which is sad, so anyway.
So Sharon and Karen, karen,right yeah, the mother, the
mother, sharon.
Catherine (10:45):
Karen, darren and Aaron, exactly, and Jay.
Andrew (10:49):
And Peggy.
Yeah, exactly so Sharon andKaren are trying to get Yvette
out of the house, right?
But the cow creamer keepsinsisting on having Jay ask for
a pancake Right, which delaysYvette from leaving, right.
(11:10):
And then the two immigrationagents show up at the door.
Catherine (11:18):
Yeah, it's weird to hear it referred to as INS.
It's all about ICE now.
It's all about ICE.
Andrew (11:26):
It's strange that 20 years ago, how relevant this
kind of the topics that arebroached in this episode, how
relevant this, this kind of thetop, the topics that are
broached in this episode, howrelevant they are to to today,
Because it was, it was already.
It's already alluded to inprevious episodes that Sharon is
(11:49):
an immigration attorney, Right,and the the immigration agents
show up, arrest, they have awarrant.
So again, make sure that's ajudicial warrant if ICE agents
show up.
So they have a warrant and theytake into custody Yvette and
(12:20):
bring her home.
So again, I'm not reallyspoiling anything, but remember
we discover later that Yvette'sname is not even Yvette, it's
Cindy.
Catherine (12:33):
Right, and she is not French-Canadian.
Andrew (12:36):
And she is not French and she is not French Canadian,
so she's just regular Canadian.
So I how?
So my question is how do theyget, how do they get a warrant
for Yvette If she's not Yvette?
Like wouldn't they know thather name is actually Cindy?
Catherine (12:53):
right.
Andrew (12:54):
Like how would they get, how would they get a warrant
for Yvette If she's not evenlike it's sloppy writing?
I know why am I silly me askingquestions silly you expecting
things to make sense right,exactly so.
Anyway, immigration agents takeher away.
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Darren is very upset, right.
And then this is when Jay andAaron start conspiring to
Because they're best friends,because they are besties, they
are bestie besties.
Catherine (13:33):
Besties for the restie.
Andrew (13:34):
That's right.
So they plot and scheme to gorescue Yvette.
Yeah, so that's that's kind ofwhat happens in the meantime.
It keeps cutting to.
It keeps cutting to scenes ofSharon being being questioned or
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hurt.
She's telling her story tosomebody like I don't.
I don't understand what thateven is.
She's sitting there smokingcigarettes telling her story,
telling this whole story tosomebody who I I don't know who
this person is Like.
I don't even know how that fitsinto the story.
Catherine (14:16):
Yeah.
Andrew (14:17):
Because then it also cuts to scenes of Sharon behind
the, behind the mirror glass,talking with with the agents who
are also questioning Jay aftershe's been arrested.
It's, yeah, it's really, it'sreally weird, but anyway, it's
(14:37):
really weird.
But anyway, the whole thing isJay and Aaron drive up to Canada
, drive over the border intoCanada and it's not what it's
called, no, it is the 51st stateum, so they drive up to canada,
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they drive to the bus stationwhere event apparently has,
where the deportation bus justdrops them off at a bus station
and you get off with yourluggage, get out with your
luggage, and you're, you're backin canada, um, so it's all very
strange.
So they, they, they locateyvette, they.
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Then what happens?
So then they're, they're tryingto get her back to um, get her
back to America, get her back tothe US, to her family, to
Jayden Aaron's family.
And as they're driving, all ofa sudden it's the cow creamer
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going right on red, right on redand shouting right on red.
And then, finally, jay looks upand sees there's a red light
and cuts a hard right, turnright down a one-way street,
going the wrong direction yeahso she's dodging cars back and
forth just typical sitcom.
(16:07):
Everybody's screaming and oh,we're driving down the road
exactly, um, that, that, thatold trope, yeah.
So, oh ah, people jumping outof the way, cars swerving,
nobody hitting another car, noneof that, just Jay finally
making it down the street andthen suddenly Jay swerves, runs
(16:27):
up on someone's front lawn andwe discover that it ends up
being Yvette's parents yes, ofall the homes in all of Canada,
which is a notoriously tinycountry yes.
Jesus.
Well, the muses know all this,so that's why they are privy to
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information Unbeknownst to us,but knownst to them.
But knownst to the muses isthis information and so they
work out everything.
so we then we quickly discoverthat yvette does, does not have
a french accent anymore, thatthat disappears, yep, and
(17:10):
they're referring to her as whatI say, cindy, cindy, cindy, but
Cindy.
Apparently their housekeeper isYvette, with a French accent.
So that's where Cindy got thiswhole persona is from her own
housekeeper, yvette.
And then through all theconversations we discover that
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Yvette was the only one thatreally raised her.
It really raised Cindy becauseher parents were never there.
So now that just makes me thinkof Pete Davidson and Smoke
Cheddar, the ass gunner.
You were never there for me,mom.
(17:59):
You were never there for me,mom.
That's like what pops into myhead is now those two singing
about how his mom was neverthere for him.
So don't mind me, that's how mybrain works.
So, anyway, there's aconfrontation.
Jay decks Cindy's father, yeah,yeah, which again.
Catherine (18:23):
I talked about this in the last episode.
Now she and lee pace, aka aaron, are super best friends, to the
point where she's like don'tmess with my family.
Really right where.
And she even says, like I hadno idea that this like loyalty
was there, but like it's becausethe father doesn't, he hit
aaron and then she decks thefather and, come on, we've seen
(18:48):
none of this loyalty.
Like she's going into the housewith her laundry every day now,
right, what is?
happening again for the maidthat we've never seen before to
do the laundry right, exactly.
Andrew (18:59):
And then, and then, the father at the end of the episode
talks about cause.
She was like thank you forgiving up your principles Like
yeah.
Sacrificing your principles tosave me.
And he's like family alwayscomes first.
Like, suddenly, the mob, likethe Republican mob, like take
(19:20):
the gun, leave the canoes.
What the hell?
Speaking of which, what are the?
Did you, did you catch, whenthey were doing the review of
all the uh, civics questions?
And they, they, they asked,they, asked you that slash,
cindy.
What are, what are the twoparties?
Catherine (19:36):
Yeah.
Andrew (19:37):
Where the two political parties and she goes the
Republicans and the gop and hegoes.
Catherine (19:45):
That's right, I did not catch that.
Andrew (19:45):
Oh my god they're all like dad, he's like well, she
got it right.
I thought.
Catherine (19:52):
I just thought that was funny I thought that was
very funny well, because we'vetalked before about the fact
that we knew that they would berepublicans.
Andrew (19:58):
Oh yes, oh yeah, so he, he pulled some strings,
obviously too.
So that was the whole thing.
So at the end he pulls all thestrings to and because the
immigration attorney, sharon,doesn't really do anything.
Yeah, it was the father thatwent and played a round of golf
with one of his politicalfriends and got Jay released and
(20:23):
then got Yvette slash Cindyreleased so that she could
actually go and get hercitizenship, take the test and
actually pass it.
Catherine (20:37):
And I mean, I think it's heavily implied that the
reason she never passed the testwas that she never took the
test because she was livingunder an assumed name.
No, because no remember,because they said she kept
failing it, but I don't know.
Andrew (20:51):
The mother confessed.
The mother confessed that shewas.
She needed her around the house.
Catherine (20:58):
Oh, so she didn't let her.
Andrew (21:00):
Sharon said she's like we were too like we needed her
around the house, we couldn't'tlet her.
Sharon said she's like we weretoo like we needed her around
the house, we couldn't let hergo take the test.
I don't remember that.
Oh, there was a whole thing.
Can I yeah time out?
Yeah, yeah, so she never.
The mother sharon never tookher to the citizens citizenship
class because, um, there was toomuch to do around the house,
(21:22):
which again, oh my god, richwhite people like you can't do
anything like on your own, likejesus, rich white people.
Catherine (21:34):
But again it's just the sloppy, sloppy.
She couldn't let her out of thehouse.
We've never seen her before.
She's never exactly, and Iguarantee you we never see her
again, right.
Andrew (21:51):
Because this is.
I guess there was technicallythree episodes filmed before
this one, I don't know.
I don't know in what order theyfilmed them all.
Anyway, four episodes beforethis which we've never seen her
and we'll probably never see heragain.
That's the whole funny thing.
That's what I just said I canguarantee you'll never see her
in another episode.
Catherine (22:11):
What was this writer's room?
Oh, you know what would be fun.
Let's do a deportation storyabout their maid.
They don't have a maid, they donow.
Andrew (22:18):
Jesus Christ, it's awful , it's just shoddy shoddy
craftsmanship, um, so anyway.
So that that's really the wholemain plot is just this whole
get her back to.
Well, so I, I, I got, I gotdiverted.
So so the realization is thatYvette slash, cindy reconnects,
(22:46):
not reconnects with her parents,but sees her parents again and
realizes that she doesn't wantto be there.
Catherine (22:52):
Yeah, like she said, that over the last 20 years she
wondered if she had made amistake in leaving, made a
mistake right in leaving.
But now that she sees that herparents haven't changed at all,
she realizes she did the rightthing.
Because, even though I stilldon't feel that the writing has
given this family maybe thefather at this point, but the
mother any kind of redeemingqualities, she still got more
(23:14):
affection and more of what sheneeded from being with their
family right than her own.
Andrew (23:20):
Right.
So that's the bring her home.
It's not the bring her home toAmerica.
Catherine (23:25):
No, it's the bring her home to what she views as
her family, her childhood homeRight and her family, and then
bring her back to her family,which is Jay's family, right,
but we'll never see her again.
And also, I could talk aboutthis in the things that doesn't.
That didn't work for me.
Why does she go back to theFrench accent when they know
she's not French Canadian?
Andrew (23:47):
They go to call her Cindy Right.
Catherine (23:49):
They call her Cindy, but she still has the fucking
French accent.
And I work with a number ofFrench Canadians.
They do not sound like Lumierefrom Beauty and the Beast.
Andrew (24:00):
I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
Catherine (24:02):
would you do like the pancake?
Andrew (24:04):
right, come on, it's just it's bad.
So so, what's, what's reallythe?
Are there any subplots?
I mean, I guess I guess it'sthe sharon, yeah, subplot ish
like relationship, because inthe end it's almost like they.
I say reconcile, end, it'salmost like they.
I say reconcile because it'snot like that.
But they were kind of havingthis, this combative
(24:28):
relationship in the wholeepisode.
Because she calls her the.
What's the?
What does Jay call her?
Jay calls her the.
I don the.
Um, I don't know what you do.
I don't know, I don't knowscrap that hold on, I'm looking
(24:52):
squealer jay calls her thesquealer she's like you
squealing, squealer.
She's like why are you callingme that?
Because you squealed?
That's what I was trying to getat.
So so they have a contentiousrelationship in the episode, but
they kind of reconcile in theend and and come back again
because it all, it's all aboutfamily.
(25:12):
Right again, this is sopranos.
Uh, I, I don't know.
Or is it the fast and thefurious?
I don't, I don't know, or is itthe Fast and the Furious?
I?
Catherine (25:22):
don't know.
Andrew (25:24):
Or is it Olive Garden when you hear your family?
I don't know.
Catherine (25:27):
I don't know what's going on in this episode no
she's French, canadian, notItalian, so it's not Olive
Garden Is.
Andrew (25:34):
Olive Garden really Italian though.
Catherine (25:35):
No, no, it is not.
Andrew (25:39):
Exactly that's my point.
Yes.
Catherine (25:44):
No, it is not.
Yeah, exactly, that's my point.
Yes, I'm just trying to thinkif there's anything else About
subplot.
Andrew (25:51):
Yeah, I mean that was oh well.
I mean well, the other subplotis really Aaron trying to suss
out.
Catherine (25:59):
Yeah, what's going on with Jay?
Andrew (26:00):
What's going on with Jay ?
What's going on with jay?
Catherine (26:01):
which did pull out one of my favorite lines, but
also so inappropriate.
Yes is your.
You parade your trailer parkhill.
No, you wear your trailer parkhillbilly lifestyle around your
neck like a clove of garlic.
Wow, trying to ward off thefamily, wow there's there's some
interesting lines in thisepisode.
Andrew (26:23):
We'll get to that, so let's talk about that next.
Do you have three favoritemoments?
Catherine (26:29):
Yes.
Andrew (26:29):
Okay, hit me.
Catherine (26:33):
When Jay is walking into the house and she thinks
the flamingos are talking to herbut it's actually the gardener
next door.
Andrew (26:43):
That was good.
Catherine (26:43):
That was really funny .
I thought that was very, veryclever Sorry.
Andrew (26:46):
I'm PMSing.
That was her and he goes.
Catherine (26:50):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, so I liked that.
That was good.
I liked, um I think it wasAaron's reference to the cocaine
cows yes, was aaron's referenceto the cocaine cows?
Yes, the smuggling cocaine andthe cow creamers, yes, so I
liked that.
That was good.
Um, and then my, my absolutefavorite was that the like
(27:10):
knockoff version of mcgruff thecrime dog was painted as like a
1920s film noir cop hey doll.
Andrew (27:17):
That was so funny to me let me just say this, since this
will be one of my things thatdid not.
Well, it's not that it did ordid not work, but here was the
weird thing yeah the crime dogwas the first one to actually
have a basically have aconversation right with jay yeah
, instead of just sayingsomething to her instead of just
repeating the same line.
I actually had a conversationwith jay yeah, again, which
(27:40):
think.
Is that sloppy writing or wasthat a specific choice?
Yeah, I don't know, but it wasweird because I noticed that I'm
like, wait a second, this dog'sactually talking to her.
Was this the?
Catherine (27:51):
first episode where you had multiple muses talking
to her and not like the singingin the last one or whatever,
like multiple ones leading herto where she needed to.
No, it's not, because in thefirst episode you had the Eagle
on the quarter and you had thewax lion.
Andrew (28:10):
Right.
Catherine (28:11):
And I think the monkey in the with the barrel
was in the end of that one too.
Andrew (28:15):
So okay nevermind.
Yep.
No, they've definitely hadmultiple muses talking to her in
the in the same episode.
Catherine (28:22):
Hey, doll just tickled me, that was so funny to
me, I'm like and what else was?
Andrew (28:29):
was that those are three .
Those are your three.
Catherine (28:30):
That was the flamingos, the cocaine cows and
the crime dog.
Andrew (28:34):
So I, I only had two, okay, so I just so, I just cause
I I love.
Catherine (28:42):
I love Queer Eye, yeah, but I hated that line, I
hated the line, but I love.
Queer.
Andrew (28:45):
Eye when he, when he's like strange men came into our
house like those homosexuals dowho do makeovers, like really is
that?
Is that like how we're it's?
Catherine (28:53):
very early 2000s.
Andrew (28:55):
Very early it was.
It was just it's like I get thelike, I get the meaning, yeah.
Just it's like I, I get thelike, I get the meaning, yeah
like the meaning I thought wasfunny, the just the.
Catherine (29:04):
The delivery was not, and you know it's funny because
I think it's partially.
They probably didn't have therights to say queer eye, right
we've been talking about theyprobably couldn't even say queer
, like we've been.
We've been skirting aroundsomething similar at work
because one of our products wasfeatured on a very popular show
recently and we've been tryingto figure out how to potentially
use that in organic socialwithout getting sued by a
(29:27):
company that is run by a verylarge mouse.
Um, so I'll tell you about itwhen we're done.
Interesting, yeah okay but Ithink it's probably something
similar to that where theydidn't have the rights to talk
about queer eye for the straightguy Right, Because I think you
you probably could have said theshow title Right At that point.
(29:47):
Right, I would think so but I'mgoing to guess they didn't have
the money to actually referencethe show title Right, perhaps,
maybe.
Andrew (29:54):
So my other, my other, my other favorite moment was I
thought this was so funny.
Yeah, when I'm trying to thinkof where she was storming out of
Jay I don't know if it was thebarrel, the restaurant, the bar
or what but Sharon is standingright by the door and Jay is
(30:17):
like bolting out because the cowjust told her to do something.
Yeah, and she goes, stupid cow.
Catherine (30:22):
Oh, that's, right, yes.
Andrew (30:23):
And Sharon goes selfish bitch yes.
Catherine (30:27):
Yeah, that was funny.
Andrew (30:30):
I thought that was a great.
Just little line.
Yeah, that I thought was good.
All right, let's hit.
We've already hit a ton of it.
Is there anything else thatworked or didn't work in in this
episode?
Catherine (30:44):
okay, so you know how .
In the last one I said why isthis priest such a dick?
Yeah my note on this one is whyis this cop such a bitch, right
?
What was that?
Yeah, she didn't kill someone,I know, although I think they
were trying to make it seem inthe beginning like she did kill
someone, right.
But the cop comes in and justtears her a new one, right.
(31:05):
And I'm like.
I was like are we doing goodcop, bad cop, because there's no
other cop here?
Right, they're just doing badcop.
Yeah, we're just doing bad cop,just bad cop, bad cop.
I just thought it wasoverwritten, overacted for the
cop, like what the hell?
Andrew (31:21):
Exactly so okay.
So the one thing that didn'twork for me, which I thought was
just really, you know what I'mgoing to say.
Catherine (31:31):
I know what you're going to say.
Yeah.
Andrew (31:34):
She's like those are lesbian hands.
Yeah, those are lesbian fingers, the short nails, the short
cuticles and the short nails,the short cuticles and the short
nails.
Catherine (31:41):
She goes no, the short cuticle, it was the short
nails and the like, immaculatecuticles or something like the
nail bed.
Andrew (31:47):
Something about like you know why.
Catherine (31:49):
You know why lesbians have short fingernails and then
it cuts away like it's a jokeI'm like what the fuck?
Andrew (31:56):
that was just like so tasteless.
Catherine (31:58):
I was just like I'm like really I'm like oh, were
you afraid we forgot thatSharon's a lesbian and you're
not okay with it?
Andrew (32:05):
Oh my God Like oh my.
Catherine (32:07):
God, yeah, it was just, it was just.
But again it's one of thoseearly two thousands things Right
when it was okay back then.
I mean it shouldn't have beenno it was not okay, it was
accepted yeah, yeah, yeah so.
Andrew (32:27):
So there's that, um, but , like other things that I'm
trying to, there's anything,anything else that we haven't
already discussed.
That didn't work.
Um, it's not a piece of trivia,but what, what I thought, what
I?
It was so funny because thefather, cindy's father I don't
(32:50):
know if you remember he was oneof the, he was one of the guys
Um.
Cindy's father was um one ofthe factory owners in um Tommy
boy.
Catherine (33:09):
Oh, I didn't.
Oh, now that you say it, yeah.
Andrew (33:12):
When he was like clock that at the time when um cause
Tommy's like if I stuck my headup a bull's ass.
That's what Spade goes chickenwings, chicken wings, and he's
like he's like what was it crazylittle snooze, crazy little
(33:34):
goose sniffer.
This is the fairy.
Yeah, well, we're not buying it.
Next thing, you know, there'smoney missing off the dresser
and your daughter's knocked up.
I've seen it a hundred times.
He's like what, but anyway.
So yeah, the father was from.
I've seen him in in Tommy Boy,he's been in a bunch of other
(33:56):
things, but I think he does alot of voiceover work too.
But yeah, there's just a lotthat didn't work in this episode
Again a housekeeper that neverexisted before, that's
supposedly such a close memberof the family for the last 20
years, who I assume is supposedto live with them.
Catherine (34:19):
Yeah, and we've never seen her before.
Andrew (34:23):
I don't know.
I don't know if she lived withthem or not.
Cause remember this is just arandom thing that I remember
Cause remember she writes abirthday card for the father and
includes her key, which doesn'tmean that she doesn't live
there no, because she had a keyto the house.
I know you have to have a keyto the house.
But if you live there but Idon't know either way though,
like if she, yeah, came in inthe morning like let herself in,
(34:44):
maybe I don't know.
Catherine (34:45):
Either way, sloppy writing yes.
Andrew (34:49):
so all that, all that aside, let's talk about some
behind-the-scenes trivia and funfacts.
Okie, dokie, do, do, do, do.
Catherine (34:59):
Oh, is that our behind-the-scenes music?
I'll come up with something Funfacts, fun facts.
Andrew (35:07):
So, jay, apparently this is stuff I think I pulled this
off of IMDB.
Jay drives a 1966Studebakeraker.
Yeah, I kind of love that car,which apparently was the last
year that car was built um, andI I don't know if I mentioned
this before, but I think I thinkI mentioned this before we
(35:27):
started recording.
So trailers for this episodeactually did air in the us.
They they were broadcast by Fox.
Catherine (35:36):
And then they just never aired the episode.
Andrew (35:38):
And then the series was canceled before the episode
actually aired.
Rude, right, I mean talk abouta weird time to make a decision,
right?
But yeah, so they airedtrailers for this episode,
advertised it but then neveraired it.
When Jay and Aaron go to Canadato find yvette cindy cindy,
(36:01):
they go.
They go to the bus station cvet.
Exactly.
Indy, indy, indy, there we go.
That's the dog's name.
Exactly so.
Apparently it's the concourseof the Skydome, which is now
Rogers Stadium or something, orRogers whatever.
But yeah, apparently it's theconcourse of the Skydome in
(36:26):
Toronto.
That's what they chose to makea bus station.
Catherine (36:31):
All right then.
Andrew (36:32):
Yeah, so those were some of the little interesting
tidbits, of fun facts fun facts,fun facts, exactly.
So again another sloppytroublesome episode fun facts.
Catherine (36:50):
Fun facts we taught you how to freebase crack oh oh.
Andrew (36:55):
We didn't teach him how to.
We taught him what freebasingwas.
It's not like we gave himstep-by-step instructions.
I mean, we could do that on thenext episode.
That's what YouTube is for.
Say no to drugs kids.
Catherine (37:12):
So anyway any.
Andrew (37:13):
Chubby.
That is one chubby cat.
That's our Mulder, right buddy.
Yeah, anyway, any parting.
Other thoughts on Crime Dog.
Crime Dog, not Crime Dog, yeah,cow-shaped.
Catherine (37:30):
Yeah, cow creamer, yeah, oh yes.
We didn't talk about the factthat at the end of the episode,
yeah, cow creamer, yeah, oh yes.
We didn't talk about the factthat at the end of the episode,
it is revealed that Aaron brokethe head off the cow creamer.
That's right.
Andrew (37:44):
So Is that so it won't talk to Jay anymore?
Catherine (37:46):
I think so.
Yes, so there was a text chainbetween myself and Andrew
earlier, and my last series oftexts to you was the writing is
just so inconsistent.
Suddenly, lee Pace is a maincharacter after barely being in
the first three episodes, and heand Jay are super tight and
(38:07):
they both hate Sharon and theyhad a housekeeper who
practically raised them.
And then the last text is Aaronkilled the cow creamer.
That's right, yeah, so I thinkit's so that it will stop
talking.
So that's why I'm like hebelieves her Right, or he at
least believes that she believessomething's happening.
(38:30):
Right, right, right.
He's going to behead thoseflamingos if he finds out.
Right, oh my God, what's goingto?
Andrew (38:34):
behead those flamingos if he finds out Right.
Oh my god, what's going tohappen to the wax lion?
Catherine (38:38):
Is he going to put that in a frying pan and tell
Yvette to make it into a?
Andrew (38:41):
pancake With figs Figs.
Catherine (38:47):
Just keep them in newtons, alright.
Grind you up and put you in acookie If I thought it would
move product.
Andrew (38:52):
Love you, gary Goldman Goleman.
Catherine (38:55):
It's always a Gary Goleman reference.
Andrew (38:57):
And, on that note, thank you everyone for listening to
another fun-filled, filled withfun facts, fun facts, fun facts.
Please don't smoke crack,that's right.
Thank you again.
We will catch you next time onSeeking Season 2.
Bye, bye, bye.
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