In this episode of the Seen & Heard Personal Branding Podcast, I sit down with Janey Martino—an accomplished entrepreneur, coach, and co-founder of the globally recognized mental health platform, Smiling Mind. Janey shares her unique approach to balancing structure and creativity, the importance of rituals in daily life, and her mission to empower the next generation through emotional intelligence.
We dive deep into:
- How rituals can transform your life, one small step at a time.
- The journey of building Kintsugi Way, Janey’s coaching business focused on intentional growth and alignment.
- Her groundbreaking work with Smiling Mind, supporting over 9 million people worldwide and 20% of Australian schools.
- Why emotional intelligence is the key to creating lasting change for families and the next generation.
- The power of leaning into your creativity and embracing the unknown.
If you’re ready to build a more intentional life, empower the next generation, and explore the balance between structure and flow, this episode is for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I am so incredibly excited to share this podcast
episode with you.
I have been working with JanieMartino for nearly 10 years
doing her personal brandphotography, and every time we
talk or catch up or do a shoottogether we go so deep, so quick
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, and that is why I wanted toget her on here.
We love talking aboutspirituality, business, wellness
, all of those things, so I hopewhat you get out of this
episode is really beneficial.
A little bit about JennyMartino she's an uber successful
entrepreneur, business leaderand coach.
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She's known for foundingSmiling Mind, which is
Australia's number one mentalhealth app, and Katsingi Wei,
her coaching business, withmultiple successful exits in
media, fintech and health tech.
She's also a passionate advisorand investor in startups and
helping individuals and teamsreach their full potential.
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In this episode, we go into theimportance of thinking less and
feeling more, also aligning yourgoals with your values,
implementing rituals into yourdaily life, no matter how big or
small if it's just taking fiveminutes to have a cup of tea and
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looking to the morning sun andhow Smiling Mind is empowering
the next generation throughemotional intelligence, which I
believe is going to save many,many lives and make an
incredible future for our worldand the people, so I hope you
enjoy this episode.
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Welcome to the Seen and Heardpodcast, created for you if
you're a consultant, coach orcreative and want to enhance
your connection to your higherself, evolve your mindset and
embody your personal brand,creating freedom, fulfillment
and success.
Whether you're leveling up ornavigating a new chapter, this
podcast helps you own your powerand show up confidently to be
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seen and heard.
I'm your host, pruaja, personalbrand coach, photographer and
motivational speaker.
So nice to have you come in andchat and always go so deep, so
quick.
Whenever we see each other, wedo.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's joyful.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
We love it we do love it, which you know, it's
January.
I just want to dive in a littlebit about what last year was
about for you and what your bigvision for this year is.
I'm going straight there, ohokay.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Love it.
So last year for me was aboutbringing Kintsugi Way and sort
of transitioning into coachingand working with people
one-on-one, bringing that tolife, but in a really organic,
more experimental way.
So I think I've known you for along time and you've seen many
(03:08):
of my businesses come to lifeand I'm very planned and
organised and intentional, whichI think is great.
But I feel that what that hasled to is being in my head
around how I bring things intothe world and create, rather
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than also like leaning more intomy feminine and my creativity
and just allowing things toevolve.
So I decided with Kintsugi Waybecause very much came
inspiration and passion and theconnection and joy I get from
working with individuals andseeing them grow and move
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through challenges and mehelping to facilitate that
process that I decided to, yeah,just take a very different
approach.
So it was a lot of testing andlearning with methods and how I
work with people, with a kindgroup of sort of small group of
people that were willing to dothat with me.
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I'm doing a hypnotherapy course, so I'll complete that this
year and bringing in businessand talking to people about,
like founders and individualsaround, how they show up at work
but understanding that we'rejust one whole person and so
things that block us andpatterns we have that hold us
back as leaders or in theworkplace or in our businesses
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are exactly the same ones thathold us back when we walk
through the door at the end ofthe day.
So, yeah, I would say last yearwas about experimentation,
connection, birthing, kintsugiWay.
This year is very much aroundconsolidation of that starting
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to work with groups likeco-founders, groups of leaders,
like co-founders, groups ofleaders and then and working
more on that sort ofinterpersonal like how we show
up as individuals and how theimpact that has on both us and
teams and and senior peoplewe're working with, and also
continuing on with some of thecontent that is coming out of
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the thematics when I work withpeople.
So there's two books I launchedjust before Christmas that
really were based on lots of theframeworks that I see working
with the people that I've beenworking with.
So, I guess, continuing some ofthat evolution and
experimentation but bringing itinto the day-to-day and also
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allowing people to access ifthey can't or don't want to work
with me individually there aretools and and sort of things
that I know work that they canhave access to well.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I just think it's incredible that people will now
be able to have access to JanieMartino, because you have worked
with some really incrediblecompanies, built incredible
businesses like Smiling Mind,and I feel like you've kind of
been behind the scenes of thingsand, you know, done incredible
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work and now people can workwith you and understand, you
know, get to know your toolsthat have helped make these
incredible transformations.
Can you, would you mind sharinga couple of the big highlights
of your career so people canactually cause you don't?
I know you don't really talkabout it, but I know you've done
amazing things and I'd reallylike you know people to know a
(06:44):
bit about what you have done inthe last 20 years.
You don't have to go 20 years.
Let's think about your topthree.
You know transformations thatyou've done in businesses.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, I think and most people expect this to all
be positive, which it absolutelyisn't for me which I think is
where the gold is, and the wholephilosophy of kintsugi way
around.
You know that beautifulJapanese philosophy of putting
gold into the broken pieces andcreating a piece of ceramic
(07:18):
that's even more beautiful, andI I connect with that.
Uh, so much so.
The top three for me areabsolutely the creation of
Smiling Mind, I think that is.
I've never earned a cent fromSmiling Mind.
It's a not-for-profitorganisation, it's purpose-led
and the reason and in sayingthat, it has brought me by far
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the most joy of any of thebusinesses or organisations that
I've brought into the worldbecause it's had huge impact.
You know we've had nine milliondownloads.
A quarter of schools use ourprogram and we've got big plans
for Smiling Mind to get intoevery primary school in the next
five years and we're determinedto have that happen so we can
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make systemic change.
So it's the ability for me tobe able to say I have had
preemptive mental health toolsand things that I've used since
I probably was in my 30s thathave been transformational for
me and I want our futuregenerations to have that as
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their business as usual, and youknow so, that to me, is
absolutely number one ofsomething that I'm the most
proud of and that has brought methe most joy and growth but, um
, I just want to, um, like thatis just going to be such a game
changer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I remember when I was learning meditation and someone
saying that if everyeight-year-old was taught how to
meditate, we would have worldpeace by the time that
generation became adults.
And you're actually doing this.
Yeah, and for the people thatdon't actually know what Smiling
Mind is, can you give a little,a quick overview of that?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Absolutely so we started.
We've been going 12 years.
We started in mindfulnessmeditation and utilizing that as
a preventive mental health tool, sitting alongside
curriculum-based social andemotional learning modules that
were able to be utilised inschools.
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But the beautiful part of ourprogram is we also had an early
learning to adult program thatwas free and accessible and that
still exists in our app foreverybody.
So, you know, families use ittogether, adults use it,
workplaces use it.
So we really had that approachof like a full community
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approach and creating thatflywheel that allowed us to not
only have a program that was,you know, in schools but that
could also be utilized in thehome.
So we had, you know, fullaccess to family units and also,
when young people came home andfelt the feelings they could
tap into the program.
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In the last 12 months we'vebroadened it out to create what
we call build mental resilienceand strength and we've created
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content and programming aroundeach of those, again mapped to
the curriculum but alsoaccessible at home.
So, if you look at the app,we've actually replatformed it
and it's got, I think, 700 to800 pieces of content in there
to build mental fitness andemotional literacy.
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So we have generations of peoplethat can grow up and recognize
and embrace the emotions they'refeeling and also know what to
do to regulate.
They're feeling and also knowwhat to do to regulate.
So we just felt thatmindfulness it was a great entry
point.
But now that we have the trustand the footprint that we do in
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the community, we're really keento broaden our program and have
that penetration of 100% ofprimary schools just to make
sure that, yeah, as you saidthat everyone grows up with
similar to PE classes.
Everyone grows up knowing thatmoving your body and having some
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kind of embedded physicalactivity is good for you, and we
want people to feel the sameabout their mental fitness.
It's exactly the same Like weput so much time into our
physical fitness and ourphysical body and, very
literally, to the fitness of ourmind.
So that's that.
I guess that's how we wantedpeople to start framing it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And the incredible thing about that I've even
witnessed with my daughter,who's 14 and is very emotionally
aware, like she even pulls meup If I kind of yell about
something I'll get frustrated.
She'd be like, mom, you realize, this is your thing, like I
actually haven't done anythingand I'm like, oh my goodness,
and just having that awarenessof you know how she's feeling,
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she really listens to her bodyand where she's at, if she wants
to be social or not.
And if we look at, say, ourparents' generation and I know
with my parents and then theirparents, you don't talk about
emotions, you don't talk aboutfeelings, you don't talk about
where you're at.
It gets pushed down and this iswhat I personally believe
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causes illness.
It's when emotions aren't feltand talked about and if people
aren't seen and heard andprocess that.
That's what causes so many ofthe health issues.
And this is just my belief andfrom what I know and what I have
seen and personally felt umhappen.
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So this work is actually really, I guess, like you know,
healing a generation, but alsopreparing and getting the next
generation, you know,clear-headed and like empowering
them and making huge, hugechange.
So and I love that if you'rereally focusing on working with
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children as well and gettinginto schools.
It's incredible work savinglives yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We're really proud of it and super excited about
what's to come.
Um, so that would be one.
The second one would be, Ithink, what most people would
see as an epic fail.
It was a company that I so Ibuilt a company, sold it to ANZ
Bank and spent some time in thebank there, and while I was in
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the bank, that's when I startedinvesting in other early stage
businesses and advising, and oneof those businesses was one
called Unlocked.
It was an incredibly strongbusiness idea.
It was a B2B model, global.
From day one.
I was a seed investor in it andhad a capital register with all
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the who's who on there andbuilt very quickly, so within
three years, had the ability tohave the run rate revenue to
list and we built it towards anIPO.
The founder decided to stepback from the CEO role and so I
was to take that on and list thebusiness, and we were all
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prepared to do that.
And then Google removed us fromthe place for about eight weeks
before we were to list thebusiness and we had all
investors lined up and we'd donethe roadshow.
And, yeah, it was just the mostunbelievable couple of months
trying to like fight that incourt and move through that
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process as the leader of abusiness which, unfortunately,
we were unsuccessful doing that.
So we had to.
The business was placed intoadministration so I'd gone from,
I guess, having a number ofsuccessful businesses I'd built,
exited, I'd created SmilingMind and this business also was
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an incredible business and verysuccessful very quickly and
quite high profile to it notexisting and having to tell the
team that it was no longer andinvestors, and so I think that
for me was what you look at fromthe outside and say a huge
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career smackdown and it took mequite a long time to recover.
And I was very, very lucky tohave one of the investors in the
business come and say come andrun my venture portfolio, which
I ended up doing for a couple ofyears and that really allowed
me to restore my confidence andhave time to, I guess, just
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really work on.
What does it look like whensomething isn't successful?
Like I remember someone sayingto me you know, everything you
touch turns to gold.
Someone saying to me you knoweverything you touch turns to
gold.
And like before this happenedand it was very public and it
was just a really big blow andthere was a lot of you know my
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identity as a business leaderand a previously successful I
guess founder.
In external terms.
What does that mean, you know,and what does that mean for how
I, my performance, how I seemyself, how others see myself,
which at the time, I cared a lotmore about as well, and I felt
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ashamed, you know, of what hadhappened happened.
I also think the Australianecosystem doesn't deal with
failure in quite the same waythat other places around the
globe do.
So.
Where we grow up, um, you know,not necessarily being as
resilient to failure andembracing failure as much as we
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can.
But if I look at that from apersonal growth and
transformational point of view,that's why it's in my top three,
because I actually I'm moregrateful for that experience
than I ever could be now lookingback at it.
One, because you know noteverything you do is successful
and that doesn't mean thatyou're not a great leader, a
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great operator.
You know, sometimes things arein your control, sometimes
they're not, but you know basingand also, who was I without my
business persona, my businessskills?
You know, and being able to bemuch more focused on that and
(18:03):
clear on that, I think has givenme then the ability to bring
something like Kintsugi Way intothe world in a very different
way.
That just allows the conceptand the work to lead, rather
than it being about me or myidentity or my next thing.
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So just like that letting go ofego, I guess.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm wondering.
Oh, there's so many thingsthere I want to mention.
Firstly, huge going up against.
Was it Google?
Yeah, like that's not you it'snot, but something you mentioned
there about you know who youwere without that job or without
that position and being seen asthat person, and I feel like
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that's a huge awakening pointfor people to go through as well
.
I felt the same thing when Imoved up here.
It was almost like a shatteringof the mask, of the facade even
though it wasn't really afacade, but it was kind of like
this mask that I built up aroundme to label and put myself in a
box and be seen a certain wayand it got to a breaking point
(19:16):
where that just had to shatterand be actually, you know, come
back home to who I really wasand my true, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What I'm curious to know, like what did you go
through to get to that point?
Like, I mean, I think the thevery public, you know perception
of failure was probably thebest thing that could, because
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it just forced me to, it justforced me into like, if you
think about your transition, itwas intentional and you know,
you followed your intuition.
I hadn't been doing that like Iand, if I'm honest, like the
work I'm doing now is that'swhere my heart is, that's where
I feel most aligned and I'd lost.
(20:10):
That you know.
And I think sometimes, if youdon't listen, the universe will
do that for you and give you alittle tap and if you don't, A
big slap.
It's going to be a big slap,exactly.
So I think for me, I'd love tosay that I did this, but I
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didn't.
Uh, I you know it was done tome and for me really, um, so
that I could have that shatter Ithink were the words you used
and then rebuild it andreconnect with what was really
important to me, what I love todo, because I think a lot of the
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things, because I am a reallyI'm a strong operator and an
executor and so and I'd attacheda lot of my worthiness to
getting shit done, that my brandand um, and that sort of drive
driving energy, uh, which stillhas a place, but I think, you
(21:15):
know, it just has started totake more of a back seat and
just be invited in if and whennecessary, rather than being out
the front.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, yeah, yeah, which actually leads me, just
before we jumped on, we'retalking about, you know, moving
into this year with thinkingless and feeling more, and I
feel like that's kind of alignedto the intuitive things.
How does your intuition show up, or how do you know that you,
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you know when the mind's gettingin the way and which one to
listen to, and, yeah, what doesthat?
How does that show up for you?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I think for me and I do a lot of work with people on
this, which is why, like Iwanted a really strong theme
this year of think less, feelmore, which is why I wanted a
really strong theme this year ofthink less, feel more it shows
up when you're just more focusedon outside than inside, and
what I've started to learnreally notice in the last 12
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months especially, is whensomething doesn't feel good,
like a conversation will give mea sort of an upset feeling in
my stomach, or I walk into anenvironment and my body doesn't
feel as alive.
You know there's components ofit that shut down a little or
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like just starting to noticethat I think I, prior to you
know, a year or so ago, I wasnot tuning into all that gift
that we have access to every dayof.
If something doesn't feel goodin your body, there is a reason
for that and go, go search forit.
And even if your head's tellingyou something different, your
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body doesn't lie how you feel insomeone's presence.
You know, and when you sit downand connect with your very best
friend and you know how muchthat fills your cup and how does
your body feel after thatexchange it feels alive.
So it was that.
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Yeah, it's that life.
So it was that.
Yeah, it's that it's, and Ijust we don't utilize that tool
anywhere near as much as wecould or should.
So it's also about like, whatcan we bring in in terms of
somatic practice and differentthings to to keep ourselves in
touch with that?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
definitely um, which I want to talk about, one of
your books which is aboutrituals, but I also just want to
bring up.
I sometimes find like Iintuitively know what I've got
to do and but sometimes thebiggest thing and the biggest
step, I get this like my body'slike oh no, I feel tired, or
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start being distracted or avoiddoing that and doing all the
other things on my list ofthings to do except that thing,
and it's like, okay, well, myintuition says that that's the
important thing, but why can't Ido it?
Do you ever get that?
Or is that just something thatI struggle with?
And how do you?
You know you ever get that, oris that just something that I
struggle with?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And then you know I definitely get that, but I think
what you'll find is that's your, that's still your mind.
It's not your body.
Yeah, and, and one thing I'vereally noticed, particularly
working with a lot of women, isjust to watch our words.
Like how often do you tell?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
yourself out loud that you're tired.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
For instance, I've noticed like on the weekend I
was saying to my partner and I'mlike oh, stop saying it,
because now I'm telling my bodythis, I'm affirming it and
manifesting it and getting avicious cycle yep and I got into
a real trap of that and I thinkthat's probably also woken me
up a little bit to the power oflike feeling into your body and
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actually what is your mindversus your body?
Is that?
You know, being perimenopausal,I'm perimenopausal, I'm this,
I'm that, I'm tired and I waslike, am I or am I just?
And I'm not discounting,there's plenty of symptoms.
But I also found myself talkingabout it constantly to other
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people, to the boys at home, toanyone who would listen, and
just to myself.
And then I really I juststopped.
I was like I am, I'm so I do alot of emotional freedom
technique and I put it into oneof my the, the sessions, and I I
put I'm tired and menopausaland I just to just stop that
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limiting self-belief and I'vehad so much more energy and I
hardly feel tired, oh so goodyeah, it's the story we're
telling ourselves and it's likeyou get the opportunity to
rewrite the story that you want.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So doing the tapping that helps integrate the new
story.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Not necessarily it helps.
It's like emotional acupuncture.
I guess it's more about sort ofprocessing and freeing yourself
of, like the limitingself-belief or the story that
you're telling yourself or thememory that you have in the
subconscious, or whatever itmight be.
It might be small, it might belarge, but yeah, so I do that
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with myself a lot and I have formany years, but I've been doing
a bit more work with that andhypnotherapy just to tap into
those patterns, because a lot ofgreat work we can do
consciously and talk through andhave, I guess, tactical and
practical ways.
But it is really nice to alsobe able to, if we need to, to
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move through some of those subthings that sit in the
subconscious that might beholding us back.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah, and that's actually yeah,why.
I love kinesiology as well, howthat directly talks to your
body and it says you know wherethere's a block and where that
emotion comes from from the pastas well that wasn't healed or
talked about or seen, whichthese kids of the next
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generation hopefully won't haveto deal with as much.
So tell me a little bit aboutyou've got these two books, and
I don't want to say the namewrong on it, but one of them's
about rituals and one of them'sabout goals.
Let's firstly start about therituals.
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat, how, what's involved in
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that book?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, it's a really simple book and it's really to
set people up, because what Ifound nearly everyone I work
with some have some form ofroutine or ritual, but very like
lots of people don't or didn't,and a lot of the time that was
because they're incredibly busyand had big lives.
(28:21):
You know families and youngfamilies, big businesses, and so
it felt like a mountain thatwas almost impossible to climb
to build in rituals, and so whatI work with people on is what
is just like one small thing,just like just one.
It could be making yourself acup of tea before the kids wake
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up and just enjoying that, notlooking at your phone Right and
writing three things you'regrateful for.
It could be a five-minutemeditation or tapping routine.
You know a sequence.
So very, very small things thatallow people to carve out time
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but not feel like they need anhour or two hours.
Of course, an hour is ideal ifyou can, but a lot of us can't,
particularly with young families.
Yeah, and I've been there andthat doesn't mean it's not going
to have powerful impact.
So the rituals book is allabout.
There's lots of differentconcepts around what those
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rituals may be that people cansort of select from.
There's a lot of likeempowering sort of statements
and mantras that they can pullfrom, and and then there's a
daily.
There's a daily sheet that theycan write those in um write
what they're grateful for ateach end of the day, yeah, and
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just be able to have somethingsmall but powerful to start
seeing the shift and change thateven something like that can
bring.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
A hundred percent.
Actually, I would love to justquickly share one of my rituals,
or my morning rituals.
Almost two hours long, and Istarted waking up at 5am when my
daughter was young, because Irealized that's the only chance
I was going to get more time inmy day was to wake up earlier.
But something me and my partnerdo every night is one of us us
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and this is just before we go tosleep is what was your rose and
thorn today?
And it really makes you go backthrough your day to just, like
you know, look at what, whatyour day was, and find what was
that moment that was a rose,what was a beautiful moment in
the day, and then what was amoment that was a thorn, that
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was hard in that day, because Irealized, like it takes a bit of
energy to do, because you'relike, oh, I'm just ready to go
to bed and let's just go tosleep.
But when you take that time toreflect and go, oh, wow, I did
so many amazing things today.
I had some really beautifulinteractions and it might have
just been that littleconversation you had with the
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person that you bought yourcoffee from, and it just lights
you up and it's especially niceif you have that to share with
someone.
So I actually used to do itwith my daughter at the dining
room table when it was just meand her.
So it's nice to just have thatmoment and share and, you know,
quite often it might be a momentof gratitude for each other and
a rose moment we had together.
So we both share thatindividually and it's just a
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really nice way to wrap up theday and fall asleep with that.
You know that light in yourheart and that gratitude feeling
of your day and the lesson thatcame from the thorn,
potentially Exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's amazing and also the thorn you can often
find through having aconversation as well that you
can quite naturally reframe thatas well or look at it
differently, or have yourpartner look at it differently,
or you partner look at itdifferently, or you know.
It just gives you anopportunity to expand on it and
change it or see it in adifferent light, which is really
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cool, as well, yeah, instead ofjust that, you know in the
afternoon how was your day.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You know that little, those little moments aren't
going to be shared with thatquestion, but going that deeper,
do you have a ritual that youlove to do daily?
I?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I love to do tapping every day if I can, yeah, and I
will change what I'm workingthrough and what I'm saying
according to, because it onlytakes a few minutes to do so.
That's something that,particularly in the last sort of
six months, I've really lentinto.
I just find it really powerful.
But meditation, you know, isanother one for me that I just
(32:46):
am obsessed by, always have been, or at least for the last 20
years, yeah, I would say thatwould still be in.
But what I find with a lot ofpeople I work with, especially
if they're really in their heads, meditation can be hard
sometimes to do initially,before we start implementing
(33:06):
some other rituals to supportjust taking those moments.
So the other thing I would saythat I love doing and do-do is
just keeping my phone out of myroom, um, and never having it in
my room at night.
Yeah, because I think, and Ireally encourage all the people
(33:27):
I work with to do that whereverpossible.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I noticed the difference, yeah, between like
it's a definite like not lookingat my phone in bed at night at
all, but sometimes I have caughtmyself, you know, instead of
you know, looking at the timeand you're like, oh, there's a
message from someone, and thenext minute you're on Instagram.
And then I find and I reallyhave noticed the days that
(33:53):
happens, the whole day becomesdisjointed, yep, whereas I
really like to keep my mind and,you know, keep my energy whole
and to myself as long aspossible in the morning, because
once I start work and workingwith my clients and putting
myself out there and doing stuff, the energy goes like this, but
(34:13):
that's my moment to keep itcontained and whole and not have
other things Inputs.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, like make that about you, yeah, so there's so
many good tools now as well.
Like I have a little Alexa ecodot in my room so I can just say
, alexa, what's the time, that'smy alarm, what's the weather
today?
So I can talk to um, but yeah.
(34:39):
So I think there's lots ofother options too, because
people say, oh, but I need itthere for my alarm, but you
really don't and I think you itis, as you say, transformative.
If you don't have that there,the first thing I think it's
something like 85 percent ofpeople the first thing they do
with upon waking is looking attheir phone, that's sad it is.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
It is whereas we could be going outside and
looking at the sun, and sun inour eyes as well.
I just want to point out Inoticed you're wearing one of
those wellness rings.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Oh, the aura ring, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
How has that helped your routines and rituals?
And your health and wellness.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's really been.
I got one fairly early, andwhat that's done for me is a
couple of things.
I put a lot more emphasis on mysleep since I had this.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I'm quite competitive , so I don't like getting a bad
score.
That's been really healthy forme because it allows me to see
how much sleep improves all ofmy other markers that I'm doing.
It allows me, like it integratesthe exercise that you do and
you can enter all of that.
It tracks your cycle, which Ithink is really helpful.
(35:58):
Um, and, honestly, the otherthing for me is that it just
keeps me honest about looking at, oh, that day I I didn't eat
that well, I had a few morewines than I normally would, and
I've got a really low HRV andmy resting heart rate's really
(36:19):
high, and so it just is areminder about the things that
are really not that good for youand those much more infrequent
and you know, uh, than if Ididn't have that daily reminder.
So, yeah, it's really justeducation for me.
There's a lot of people who area lot more technical with it
(36:44):
than I probably am, but it'sbeen very transformative for me
in just continuing to buildhealthy habits and really
understand the impact of what Ido and don't do on the markets
that matter, especially as yousort of push up into 50 plus.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah and yeah, seeing the data and feeling it and
going, oh okay, I feel off todaybecause I did only sleep six
hours and instead of just goingmake sure you sleep nine hours
and you're like, yeah, I'm goingto try and do all these things,
but you know, if you don'ttrack it and understand, Now I
want to jump into the goals book, Is it GORU?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, yes, japanese word for goals, and why I loved
it is because the Japaneselanguage has so many.
Often one word means manydifferent things.
So this had this was more thanjust goals.
It was ambition, and had lotsof beautiful words associated
with it, because goals meandifferent things to different
(37:44):
people as well.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
So it was a recognition of, andreally the work I do with
people.
I do a lot of work aroundvalues because we go through
life and I believe we knowwhat's important to us.
But using that as a consistentanchor, like having real clarity
(38:07):
on what really matters to me,why and how do I use that in my
day-to-day, week-to-week and mybig decision-making to make sure
if one of my goals, forinstance sorry, one of my values
is joy and courage or two.
(38:28):
And so when I sold a business toANZ Bank and I was in there
full-time, I wasn't able toreally live and express that
value within that organisationas much as I would when I was
out creating or working withfounders and doing some of the
other work.
I did so for me, although I'mvery grateful for that time and
(38:51):
it was a really awesomeexperience to transition the
business in there, I didn't staythere because it was a really
awesome experience to transitionthe business in there.
I didn't stay there because itwas out of alignment with the
way I want to express my valuesand I want to live.
So I think it's just a reallygood.
It's just a good checkpointdefinitely.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I found when I was getting my coaching
certification, a good way totest someone's values is to say
to them so like, give me one ofyour other values Curiosity,
curiosity.
So if I said to you, I don'tthink you're very curious at all
(39:32):
, you just like very black andwhite and you know, follow the
rules, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Did you feel?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
how that felt in your body.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Totally Well, I was quite fortunate on that because
you know that I'm not like that.
So even hearing you say thatwas very funny, but um, but yeah
, no, that feels that doesn'tfeel good at all.
Yeah, it doesn't feel like thetruth.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
the truth, you know.
It's a good way to test it.
Yeah, because if someone says,if someone said to me, you're
not authentic, like that is sotriggering I'm just like I
cannot be any more authentic,like I am.
Just I I've restricted, I soparticular about posting
anything Like it has to be justso purely authentically me that,
(40:20):
yeah.
So I found that was just areally fun, interesting way to
test out and it just made methink, because one of my values
is freedom, integrity,authenticity and adventure and
helping people.
Okay, I've got a few, but I'verealized I haven't been on any
adventures in probably threemonths.
For most people that's, youknow, normal.
(40:42):
But like I like, I'm like oh, Ireally am have a calling to
just go and do somethingadventurous and a bit wild and
risky like that, that lights meup.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's good.
I can see that for you.
I love that.
Um, yeah, it's so important andand that's like even just that
reflection is so like, and welike, unless we're really clear
on the values, and then havingthose really play a leading role
(41:15):
in setting goals was what Iwanted people to do, and what I
work with people on is like,well, if we're not clear on our
values, then there's lots ofwork we do together that we
don't know whether we're headingin the right direction.
So let's like create that asthe foundation and set goal
setting.
you know, and that's the thinkless, feel more.
(41:38):
Goals tend to be all aboutdoing, and that's fine.
Goals should be productive,where possible measurable.
So I'm all for that.
But start with the values,alignment, and start who you
want to be and how you want tofeel.
Then go into the okay, what amI going to do to feel that way?
(42:02):
What am I going to do to be andshow up like that?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Exactly.
It's not just going all right,I want to have a fancy sports
car.
It's going well, okay, well,how's that going to make you
feel and is that aligned?
And then the manifestation partadded into there is like, okay,
we'll bring that feeling intothe now and how can you meditate
and start putting your bodyinto that vibrational frequency,
(42:31):
for it to come into your lifeas well?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Exactly, yeah, so I've come up with what I call
the three Bs.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, which is betterment, belonging and
becoming so like betterment.
What do we want to like?
How do we want to grow?
What do we want to dothroughout the year to be and
feel better?
And then belonging who's ourtribe, how do we belong to the
tribe that we love and how do webelong more to ourselves?
(43:01):
And then becoming like how, whodo we want to be and how do we
want to feel like day to day andhow will we become that?
Um, so yeah, so it doesn't meanyou don't still have very
distinct things to do, like oneof mine last year around
belonging was to join a choir,you know, because I love singing
(43:24):
and I just wanted to meet newpeople and be part of something
like that with music and thatform of expression.
So it was still very muchsomething to do.
Yeah, it tied back to how Iwanted to feel and what I wanted
to belong to and also probablyyour other values as well.
(43:45):
And how much singing like that'swhy they sing in churches it
raises your vibration then, yeah, yeah, and it also works on
your vagus nerve, which isreally so important for your
nervous system, and like there'sso much benefit to singing,
like don't get me started, um,if it's just karaoke people,
(44:06):
totally yeah, or if you want tosing mantras.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm just going to add a one last thing before we wrap
up.
Um, my partner's mom is akundalini master teacher, and so
we do kundalini practices aswell, and it's interesting it's
not talked about enough, becauseyou know how the whole breath
work thing is huge right now.
What I love about kundalini isit is sound, it's singing, it's
(44:31):
breath work, it's yoga andmovement and it's meditation, so
it's all of them in one, and itdoes shift energy in your body
as well.
So I just wanted to drop thatin there while we were on that.
Now, where can people find youand connect with you?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, probably just through kintsugiwayco is the
best, because they can drop me aline there, check out the books
or, yeah, just email me and sayhi, yeah.
So love to hear from people and, obviously, smiling Mind Like
I'd love people to be able touse that resource.
It's free, like if that'ssomething that sounds appealing
(45:12):
and is going to be supportivefor them.
It really is a great practiceand there's some really short,
impactful content in there too.
That, again, if people want tobuild it in and just have a
small daily ritual, it's areally good one.
So I'd love people to to accessthat and use it as much as they
can amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, so nice.
It was great to have a chatwith you, as always, and I'll
pop all the details.
To chat with Janie in there orsee the work that she does in
the show notes Sounds good.
Thanks, brooke.
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I'm your host, pruaja.
I am so incredibly excited to share this podcast
episode with you.
I have been working with JanieMartino for nearly 10 years
doing her personal brandphotography, and every time we
talk or catch up or do a shoottogether we go so deep, so quick
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, and that is why I wanted toget her on here.
We love talking aboutspirituality, business, wellness
, all of those things, so I hopewhat you get out of this
episode is really beneficial.
A little bit about JennyMartino she's an uber successful
entrepreneur, business leaderand coach.
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She's known for foundingSmiling Mind, which is
Australia's number one mentalhealth app, and Katsingi Wei,
her coaching business, withmultiple successful exits in
media, fintech and health tech.
She's also a passionate advisorand investor in startups and
helping individuals and teamsreach their full potential.
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In this episode, we go into theimportance of thinking less and
feeling more, also aligning yourgoals with your values,
implementing rituals into yourdaily life, no matter how big or
small if it's just taking fiveminutes to have a cup of tea and
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looking to the morning sun andhow Smiling Mind is empowering
the next generation throughemotional intelligence, which I
believe is going to save many,many lives and make an
incredible future for our worldand the people, so I hope you
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So nice to have you come in andchat and always go so deep, so
quick.
Whenever we see each other, wedo.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's joyful.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
We love it we do love it, which you know, it's
January.
I just want to dive in a littlebit about what last year was
about for you and what your bigvision for this year is.
I'm going straight there, ohokay.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Love it.
So last year for me was aboutbringing Kintsugi Way and sort
of transitioning into coachingand working with people
one-on-one, bringing that tolife, but in a really organic,
more experimental way.
So I think I've known you for along time and you've seen many
(03:08):
of my businesses come to lifeand I'm very planned and
organised and intentional, whichI think is great.
But I feel that what that hasled to is being in my head
around how I bring things intothe world and create, rather
(03:30):
than also like leaning more intomy feminine and my creativity
and just allowing things toevolve.
So I decided with Kintsugi Waybecause very much came
inspiration and passion and theconnection and joy I get from
working with individuals andseeing them grow and move
(03:52):
through challenges and mehelping to facilitate that
process that I decided to, yeah,just take a very different
approach.
So it was a lot of testing andlearning with methods and how I
work with people, with a kindgroup of sort of small group of
people that were willing to dothat with me.
(04:14):
I'm doing a hypnotherapy course, so I'll complete that this
year and bringing in businessand talking to people about,
like founders and individualsaround, how they show up at work
but understanding that we'rejust one whole person and so
things that block us andpatterns we have that hold us
back as leaders or in theworkplace or in our businesses
(04:37):
are exactly the same ones thathold us back when we walk
through the door at the end ofthe day.
So, yeah, I would say last yearwas about experimentation,
connection, birthing, kintsugiWay.
This year is very much aroundconsolidation of that starting
(04:58):
to work with groups likeco-founders, groups of leaders,
like co-founders, groups ofleaders and then and working
more on that sort ofinterpersonal like how we show
up as individuals and how theimpact that has on both us and
teams and and senior peoplewe're working with, and also
continuing on with some of thecontent that is coming out of
(05:22):
the thematics when I work withpeople.
So there's two books I launchedjust before Christmas that
really were based on lots of theframeworks that I see working
with the people that I've beenworking with.
So, I guess, continuing some ofthat evolution and
experimentation but bringing itinto the day-to-day and also
(05:44):
allowing people to access ifthey can't or don't want to work
with me individually there aretools and and sort of things
that I know work that they canhave access to well.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I just think it's incredible that people will now
be able to have access to JanieMartino, because you have worked
with some really incrediblecompanies, built incredible
businesses like Smiling Mind,and I feel like you've kind of
been behind the scenes of thingsand, you know, done incredible
(06:21):
work and now people can workwith you and understand, you
know, get to know your toolsthat have helped make these
incredible transformations.
Can you, would you mind sharinga couple of the big highlights
of your career so people canactually cause you don't?
I know you don't really talkabout it, but I know you've done
amazing things and I'd reallylike you know people to know a
(06:44):
bit about what you have done inthe last 20 years.
You don't have to go 20 years.
Let's think about your topthree.
You know transformations thatyou've done in businesses.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, I think and most people expect this to all
be positive, which it absolutelyisn't for me which I think is
where the gold is, and the wholephilosophy of kintsugi way
around.
You know that beautifulJapanese philosophy of putting
gold into the broken pieces andcreating a piece of ceramic
(07:18):
that's even more beautiful, andI I connect with that.
Uh, so much so.
The top three for me areabsolutely the creation of
Smiling Mind, I think that is.
I've never earned a cent fromSmiling Mind.
It's a not-for-profitorganisation, it's purpose-led
and the reason and in sayingthat, it has brought me by far
(07:40):
the most joy of any of thebusinesses or organisations that
I've brought into the worldbecause it's had huge impact.
You know we've had nine milliondownloads.
A quarter of schools use ourprogram and we've got big plans
for Smiling Mind to get intoevery primary school in the next
five years and we're determinedto have that happen so we can
(08:02):
make systemic change.
So it's the ability for me tobe able to say I have had
preemptive mental health toolsand things that I've used since
I probably was in my 30s thathave been transformational for
me and I want our futuregenerations to have that as
(08:25):
their business as usual, and youknow so, that to me, is
absolutely number one ofsomething that I'm the most
proud of and that has brought methe most joy and growth but, um
, I just want to, um, like thatis just going to be such a game
changer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I remember when I was learning meditation and someone
saying that if everyeight-year-old was taught how to
meditate, we would have worldpeace by the time that
generation became adults.
And you're actually doing this.
Yeah, and for the people thatdon't actually know what Smiling
Mind is, can you give a little,a quick overview of that?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Absolutely so we started.
We've been going 12 years.
We started in mindfulnessmeditation and utilizing that as
a preventive mental health tool, sitting alongside
curriculum-based social andemotional learning modules that
were able to be utilised inschools.
(09:26):
But the beautiful part of ourprogram is we also had an early
learning to adult program thatwas free and accessible and that
still exists in our app foreverybody.
So, you know, families use ittogether, adults use it,
workplaces use it.
So we really had that approachof like a full community
(09:49):
approach and creating thatflywheel that allowed us to not
only have a program that was,you know, in schools but that
could also be utilized in thehome.
So we had, you know, fullaccess to family units and also,
when young people came home andfelt the feelings they could
tap into the program.
(10:10):
In the last 12 months we'vebroadened it out to create what
we call build mental resilienceand strength and we've created
(10:31):
content and programming aroundeach of those, again mapped to
the curriculum but alsoaccessible at home.
So, if you look at the app,we've actually replatformed it
and it's got, I think, 700 to800 pieces of content in there
to build mental fitness andemotional literacy.
(10:54):
So we have generations of peoplethat can grow up and recognize
and embrace the emotions they'refeeling and also know what to
do to regulate.
They're feeling and also knowwhat to do to regulate.
So we just felt thatmindfulness it was a great entry
point.
But now that we have the trustand the footprint that we do in
(11:14):
the community, we're really keento broaden our program and have
that penetration of 100% ofprimary schools just to make
sure that, yeah, as you saidthat everyone grows up with
similar to PE classes.
Everyone grows up knowing thatmoving your body and having some
(11:34):
kind of embedded physicalactivity is good for you, and we
want people to feel the sameabout their mental fitness.
It's exactly the same Like weput so much time into our
physical fitness and ourphysical body and, very
literally, to the fitness of ourmind.
So that's that.
I guess that's how we wantedpeople to start framing it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And the incredible thing about that I've even
witnessed with my daughter,who's 14 and is very emotionally
aware, like she even pulls meup If I kind of yell about
something I'll get frustrated.
She'd be like, mom, you realize, this is your thing, like I
actually haven't done anythingand I'm like, oh my goodness,
and just having that awarenessof you know how she's feeling,
(12:18):
she really listens to her bodyand where she's at, if she wants
to be social or not.
And if we look at, say, ourparents' generation and I know
with my parents and then theirparents, you don't talk about
emotions, you don't talk aboutfeelings, you don't talk about
where you're at.
It gets pushed down and this iswhat I personally believe
(12:42):
causes illness.
It's when emotions aren't feltand talked about and if people
aren't seen and heard andprocess that.
That's what causes so many ofthe health issues.
And this is just my belief andfrom what I know and what I have
seen and personally felt umhappen.
(13:02):
So this work is actually really, I guess, like you know,
healing a generation, but alsopreparing and getting the next
generation, you know,clear-headed and like empowering
them and making huge, hugechange.
So and I love that if you'rereally focusing on working with
(13:26):
children as well and gettinginto schools.
It's incredible work savinglives yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We're really proud of it and super excited about
what's to come.
Um, so that would be one.
The second one would be, Ithink, what most people would
see as an epic fail.
It was a company that I so Ibuilt a company, sold it to ANZ
Bank and spent some time in thebank there, and while I was in
(13:54):
the bank, that's when I startedinvesting in other early stage
businesses and advising, and oneof those businesses was one
called Unlocked.
It was an incredibly strongbusiness idea.
It was a B2B model, global.
From day one.
I was a seed investor in it andhad a capital register with all
(14:17):
the who's who on there andbuilt very quickly, so within
three years, had the ability tohave the run rate revenue to
list and we built it towards anIPO.
The founder decided to stepback from the CEO role and so I
was to take that on and list thebusiness, and we were all
(14:39):
prepared to do that.
And then Google removed us fromthe place for about eight weeks
before we were to list thebusiness and we had all
investors lined up and we'd donethe roadshow.
And, yeah, it was just the mostunbelievable couple of months
trying to like fight that incourt and move through that
(15:02):
process as the leader of abusiness which, unfortunately,
we were unsuccessful doing that.
So we had to.
The business was placed intoadministration so I'd gone from,
I guess, having a number ofsuccessful businesses I'd built,
exited, I'd created SmilingMind and this business also was
(15:26):
an incredible business and verysuccessful very quickly and
quite high profile to it notexisting and having to tell the
team that it was no longer andinvestors, and so I think that
for me was what you look at fromthe outside and say a huge
(15:48):
career smackdown and it took mequite a long time to recover.
And I was very, very lucky tohave one of the investors in the
business come and say come andrun my venture portfolio, which
I ended up doing for a couple ofyears and that really allowed
me to restore my confidence andhave time to, I guess, just
(16:11):
really work on.
What does it look like whensomething isn't successful?
Like I remember someone sayingto me you know, everything you
touch turns to gold.
Someone saying to me you knoweverything you touch turns to
gold.
And like before this happenedand it was very public and it
was just a really big blow andthere was a lot of you know my
(16:36):
identity as a business leaderand a previously successful I
guess founder.
In external terms.
What does that mean, you know,and what does that mean for how
I, my performance, how I seemyself, how others see myself,
which at the time, I cared a lotmore about as well, and I felt
(17:00):
ashamed, you know, of what hadhappened happened.
I also think the Australianecosystem doesn't deal with
failure in quite the same waythat other places around the
globe do.
So.
Where we grow up, um, you know,not necessarily being as
resilient to failure andembracing failure as much as we
(17:20):
can.
But if I look at that from apersonal growth and
transformational point of view,that's why it's in my top three,
because I actually I'm moregrateful for that experience
than I ever could be now lookingback at it.
One, because you know noteverything you do is successful
and that doesn't mean thatyou're not a great leader, a
(17:43):
great operator.
You know, sometimes things arein your control, sometimes
they're not, but you know basingand also, who was I without my
business persona, my businessskills?
You know, and being able to bemuch more focused on that and
(18:03):
clear on that, I think has givenme then the ability to bring
something like Kintsugi Way intothe world in a very different
way.
That just allows the conceptand the work to lead, rather
than it being about me or myidentity or my next thing.
(18:26):
So just like that letting go ofego, I guess.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm wondering.
Oh, there's so many thingsthere I want to mention.
Firstly, huge going up against.
Was it Google?
Yeah, like that's not you it'snot, but something you mentioned
there about you know who youwere without that job or without
that position and being seen asthat person, and I feel like
(18:55):
that's a huge awakening pointfor people to go through as well
.
I felt the same thing when Imoved up here.
It was almost like a shatteringof the mask, of the facade even
though it wasn't really afacade, but it was kind of like
this mask that I built up aroundme to label and put myself in a
box and be seen a certain wayand it got to a breaking point
(19:16):
where that just had to shatterand be actually, you know, come
back home to who I really wasand my true, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What I'm curious to know, like what did you go
through to get to that point?
Like, I mean, I think the thevery public, you know perception
of failure was probably thebest thing that could, because
(19:46):
it just forced me to, it justforced me into like, if you
think about your transition, itwas intentional and you know,
you followed your intuition.
I hadn't been doing that like Iand, if I'm honest, like the
work I'm doing now is that'swhere my heart is, that's where
I feel most aligned and I'd lost.
(20:10):
That you know.
And I think sometimes, if youdon't listen, the universe will
do that for you and give you alittle tap and if you don't, A
big slap.
It's going to be a big slap,exactly.
So I think for me, I'd love tosay that I did this, but I
(20:32):
didn't.
Uh, I you know it was done tome and for me really, um, so
that I could have that shatter Ithink were the words you used
and then rebuild it andreconnect with what was really
important to me, what I love todo, because I think a lot of the
(20:54):
things, because I am a reallyI'm a strong operator and an
executor and so and I'd attacheda lot of my worthiness to
getting shit done, that my brandand um, and that sort of drive
driving energy, uh, which stillhas a place, but I think, you
(21:15):
know, it just has started totake more of a back seat and
just be invited in if and whennecessary, rather than being out
the front.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, yeah, yeah, which actually leads me, just
before we jumped on, we'retalking about, you know, moving
into this year with thinkingless and feeling more, and I
feel like that's kind of alignedto the intuitive things.
How does your intuition show up, or how do you know that you,
(21:47):
you know when the mind's gettingin the way and which one to
listen to, and, yeah, what doesthat?
How does that show up for you?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I think for me and I do a lot of work with people on
this, which is why, like Iwanted a really strong theme
this year of think less, feelmore, which is why I wanted a
really strong theme this year ofthink less, feel more it shows
up when you're just more focusedon outside than inside, and
what I've started to learnreally notice in the last 12
(22:20):
months especially, is whensomething doesn't feel good,
like a conversation will give mea sort of an upset feeling in
my stomach, or I walk into anenvironment and my body doesn't
feel as alive.
You know there's components ofit that shut down a little or
(22:42):
like just starting to noticethat I think I, prior to you
know, a year or so ago, I wasnot tuning into all that gift
that we have access to every dayof.
If something doesn't feel goodin your body, there is a reason
for that and go, go search forit.
And even if your head's tellingyou something different, your
(23:05):
body doesn't lie how you feel insomeone's presence.
You know, and when you sit downand connect with your very best
friend and you know how muchthat fills your cup and how does
your body feel after thatexchange it feels alive.
So it was that.
(23:25):
Yeah, it's that life.
So it was that.
Yeah, it's that it's, and Ijust we don't utilize that tool
anywhere near as much as wecould or should.
So it's also about like, whatcan we bring in in terms of
somatic practice and differentthings to to keep ourselves in
touch with that?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
definitely um, which I want to talk about, one of
your books which is aboutrituals, but I also just want to
bring up.
I sometimes find like Iintuitively know what I've got
to do and but sometimes thebiggest thing and the biggest
step, I get this like my body'slike oh no, I feel tired, or
(24:09):
start being distracted or avoiddoing that and doing all the
other things on my list ofthings to do except that thing,
and it's like, okay, well, myintuition says that that's the
important thing, but why can't Ido it?
Do you ever get that?
Or is that just something thatI struggle with?
And how do you?
You know you ever get that, oris that just something that I
struggle with?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And then you know I definitely get that, but I think
what you'll find is that's your, that's still your mind.
It's not your body.
Yeah, and, and one thing I'vereally noticed, particularly
working with a lot of women, isjust to watch our words.
Like how often do you tell?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
yourself out loud that you're tired.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
For instance, I've noticed like on the weekend I
was saying to my partner and I'mlike oh, stop saying it,
because now I'm telling my bodythis, I'm affirming it and
manifesting it and getting avicious cycle yep and I got into
a real trap of that and I thinkthat's probably also woken me
up a little bit to the power oflike feeling into your body and
(25:20):
actually what is your mindversus your body?
Is that?
You know, being perimenopausal,I'm perimenopausal, I'm this,
I'm that, I'm tired and I waslike, am I or am I just?
And I'm not discounting,there's plenty of symptoms.
But I also found myself talkingabout it constantly to other
(25:42):
people, to the boys at home, toanyone who would listen, and
just to myself.
And then I really I juststopped.
I was like I am, I'm so I do alot of emotional freedom
technique and I put it into oneof my the, the sessions, and I I
put I'm tired and menopausaland I just to just stop that
(26:05):
limiting self-belief and I'vehad so much more energy and I
hardly feel tired, oh so goodyeah, it's the story we're
telling ourselves and it's likeyou get the opportunity to
rewrite the story that you want.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So doing the tapping that helps integrate the new
story.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Not necessarily it helps.
It's like emotional acupuncture.
I guess it's more about sort ofprocessing and freeing yourself
of, like the limitingself-belief or the story that
you're telling yourself or thememory that you have in the
subconscious, or whatever itmight be.
It might be small, it might belarge, but yeah, so I do that
(26:48):
with myself a lot and I have formany years, but I've been doing
a bit more work with that andhypnotherapy just to tap into
those patterns, because a lot ofgreat work we can do
consciously and talk through andhave, I guess, tactical and
practical ways.
But it is really nice to alsobe able to, if we need to, to
(27:11):
move through some of those subthings that sit in the
subconscious that might beholding us back.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah, and that's actually yeah,why.
I love kinesiology as well, howthat directly talks to your
body and it says you know wherethere's a block and where that
emotion comes from from the pastas well that wasn't healed or
talked about or seen, whichthese kids of the next
(27:38):
generation hopefully won't haveto deal with as much.
So tell me a little bit aboutyou've got these two books, and
I don't want to say the namewrong on it, but one of them's
about rituals and one of them'sabout goals.
Let's firstly start about therituals.
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat, how, what's involved in
(27:58):
that book?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, it's a really simple book and it's really to
set people up, because what Ifound nearly everyone I work
with some have some form ofroutine or ritual, but very like
lots of people don't or didn't,and a lot of the time that was
because they're incredibly busyand had big lives.
(28:21):
You know families and youngfamilies, big businesses, and so
it felt like a mountain thatwas almost impossible to climb
to build in rituals, and so whatI work with people on is what
is just like one small thing,just like just one.
It could be making yourself acup of tea before the kids wake
(28:44):
up and just enjoying that, notlooking at your phone Right and
writing three things you'regrateful for.
It could be a five-minutemeditation or tapping routine.
You know a sequence.
So very, very small things thatallow people to carve out time
(29:09):
but not feel like they need anhour or two hours.
Of course, an hour is ideal ifyou can, but a lot of us can't,
particularly with young families.
Yeah, and I've been there andthat doesn't mean it's not going
to have powerful impact.
So the rituals book is allabout.
There's lots of differentconcepts around what those
(29:31):
rituals may be that people cansort of select from.
There's a lot of likeempowering sort of statements
and mantras that they can pullfrom, and and then there's a
daily.
There's a daily sheet that theycan write those in um write
what they're grateful for ateach end of the day, yeah, and
(29:53):
just be able to have somethingsmall but powerful to start
seeing the shift and change thateven something like that can
bring.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
A hundred percent.
Actually, I would love to justquickly share one of my rituals,
or my morning rituals.
Almost two hours long, and Istarted waking up at 5am when my
daughter was young, because Irealized that's the only chance
I was going to get more time inmy day was to wake up earlier.
But something me and my partnerdo every night is one of us us
(30:25):
and this is just before we go tosleep is what was your rose and
thorn today?
And it really makes you go backthrough your day to just, like
you know, look at what, whatyour day was, and find what was
that moment that was a rose,what was a beautiful moment in
the day, and then what was amoment that was a thorn, that
(30:46):
was hard in that day, because Irealized, like it takes a bit of
energy to do, because you'relike, oh, I'm just ready to go
to bed and let's just go tosleep.
But when you take that time toreflect and go, oh, wow, I did
so many amazing things today.
I had some really beautifulinteractions and it might have
just been that littleconversation you had with the
(31:07):
person that you bought yourcoffee from, and it just lights
you up and it's especially niceif you have that to share with
someone.
So I actually used to do itwith my daughter at the dining
room table when it was just meand her.
So it's nice to just have thatmoment and share and, you know,
quite often it might be a momentof gratitude for each other and
a rose moment we had together.
So we both share thatindividually and it's just a
(31:29):
really nice way to wrap up theday and fall asleep with that.
You know that light in yourheart and that gratitude feeling
of your day and the lesson thatcame from the thorn,
potentially Exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's amazing and also the thorn you can often
find through having aconversation as well that you
can quite naturally reframe thatas well or look at it
differently, or have yourpartner look at it differently,
or you partner look at itdifferently, or you know.
It just gives you anopportunity to expand on it and
change it or see it in adifferent light, which is really
(32:04):
cool, as well, yeah, instead ofjust that, you know in the
afternoon how was your day.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You know that little, those little moments aren't
going to be shared with thatquestion, but going that deeper,
do you have a ritual that youlove to do daily?
I?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I love to do tapping every day if I can, yeah, and I
will change what I'm workingthrough and what I'm saying
according to, because it onlytakes a few minutes to do so.
That's something that,particularly in the last sort of
six months, I've really lentinto.
I just find it really powerful.
But meditation, you know, isanother one for me that I just
(32:46):
am obsessed by, always have been, or at least for the last 20
years, yeah, I would say thatwould still be in.
But what I find with a lot ofpeople I work with, especially
if they're really in their heads, meditation can be hard
sometimes to do initially,before we start implementing
(33:06):
some other rituals to supportjust taking those moments.
So the other thing I would saythat I love doing and do-do is
just keeping my phone out of myroom, um, and never having it in
my room at night.
Yeah, because I think, and Ireally encourage all the people
(33:27):
I work with to do that whereverpossible.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I noticed the difference, yeah, between like
it's a definite like not lookingat my phone in bed at night at
all, but sometimes I have caughtmyself, you know, instead of
you know, looking at the timeand you're like, oh, there's a
message from someone, and thenext minute you're on Instagram.
And then I find and I reallyhave noticed the days that
(33:53):
happens, the whole day becomesdisjointed, yep, whereas I
really like to keep my mind and,you know, keep my energy whole
and to myself as long aspossible in the morning, because
once I start work and workingwith my clients and putting
myself out there and doing stuff, the energy goes like this, but
(34:13):
that's my moment to keep itcontained and whole and not have
other things Inputs.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, like make that about you, yeah, so there's so
many good tools now as well.
Like I have a little Alexa ecodot in my room so I can just say
, alexa, what's the time, that'smy alarm, what's the weather
today?
So I can talk to um, but yeah.
(34:39):
So I think there's lots ofother options too, because
people say, oh, but I need itthere for my alarm, but you
really don't and I think you itis, as you say, transformative.
If you don't have that there,the first thing I think it's
something like 85 percent ofpeople the first thing they do
with upon waking is looking attheir phone, that's sad it is.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
It is whereas we could be going outside and
looking at the sun, and sun inour eyes as well.
I just want to point out Inoticed you're wearing one of
those wellness rings.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Oh, the aura ring, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
How has that helped your routines and rituals?
And your health and wellness.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's really been.
I got one fairly early, andwhat that's done for me is a
couple of things.
I put a lot more emphasis on mysleep since I had this.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I'm quite competitive , so I don't like getting a bad
score.
That's been really healthy forme because it allows me to see
how much sleep improves all ofmy other markers that I'm doing.
It allows me, like it integratesthe exercise that you do and
you can enter all of that.
It tracks your cycle, which Ithink is really helpful.
(35:58):
Um, and, honestly, the otherthing for me is that it just
keeps me honest about looking at, oh, that day I I didn't eat
that well, I had a few morewines than I normally would, and
I've got a really low HRV andmy resting heart rate's really
(36:19):
high, and so it just is areminder about the things that
are really not that good for youand those much more infrequent
and you know, uh, than if Ididn't have that daily reminder.
So, yeah, it's really justeducation for me.
There's a lot of people who area lot more technical with it
(36:44):
than I probably am, but it'sbeen very transformative for me
in just continuing to buildhealthy habits and really
understand the impact of what Ido and don't do on the markets
that matter, especially as yousort of push up into 50 plus.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah and yeah, seeing the data and feeling it and
going, oh okay, I feel off todaybecause I did only sleep six
hours and instead of just goingmake sure you sleep nine hours
and you're like, yeah, I'm goingto try and do all these things,
but you know, if you don'ttrack it and understand, Now I
want to jump into the goals book, Is it GORU?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, yes, japanese word for goals, and why I loved
it is because the Japaneselanguage has so many.
Often one word means manydifferent things.
So this had this was more thanjust goals.
It was ambition, and had lotsof beautiful words associated
with it, because goals meandifferent things to different
(37:44):
people as well.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
So it was a recognition of, andreally the work I do with
people.
I do a lot of work aroundvalues because we go through
life and I believe we knowwhat's important to us.
But using that as a consistentanchor, like having real clarity
(38:07):
on what really matters to me,why and how do I use that in my
day-to-day, week-to-week and mybig decision-making to make sure
if one of my goals, forinstance sorry, one of my values
is joy and courage or two.
(38:28):
And so when I sold a business toANZ Bank and I was in there
full-time, I wasn't able toreally live and express that
value within that organisationas much as I would when I was
out creating or working withfounders and doing some of the
other work.
I did so for me, although I'mvery grateful for that time and
(38:51):
it was a really awesomeexperience to transition the
business in there, I didn't staythere because it was a really
awesome experience to transitionthe business in there.
I didn't stay there because itwas out of alignment with the
way I want to express my valuesand I want to live.
So I think it's just a reallygood.
It's just a good checkpointdefinitely.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I found when I was getting my coaching
certification, a good way totest someone's values is to say
to them so like, give me one ofyour other values Curiosity,
curiosity.
So if I said to you, I don'tthink you're very curious at all
(39:32):
, you just like very black andwhite and you know, follow the
rules, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Did you feel?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
how that felt in your body.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Totally Well, I was quite fortunate on that because
you know that I'm not like that.
So even hearing you say thatwas very funny, but um, but yeah
, no, that feels that doesn'tfeel good at all.
Yeah, it doesn't feel like thetruth.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
the truth, you know.
It's a good way to test it.
Yeah, because if someone says,if someone said to me, you're
not authentic, like that is sotriggering I'm just like I
cannot be any more authentic,like I am.
Just I I've restricted, I soparticular about posting
anything Like it has to be justso purely authentically me that,
(40:20):
yeah.
So I found that was just areally fun, interesting way to
test out and it just made methink, because one of my values
is freedom, integrity,authenticity and adventure and
helping people.
Okay, I've got a few, but I'verealized I haven't been on any
adventures in probably threemonths.
For most people that's, youknow, normal.
(40:42):
But like I like, I'm like oh, Ireally am have a calling to
just go and do somethingadventurous and a bit wild and
risky like that, that lights meup.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's good.
I can see that for you.
I love that.
Um, yeah, it's so important andand that's like even just that
reflection is so like, and welike, unless we're really clear
on the values, and then havingthose really play a leading role
(41:15):
in setting goals was what Iwanted people to do, and what I
work with people on is like,well, if we're not clear on our
values, then there's lots ofwork we do together that we
don't know whether we're headingin the right direction.
So let's like create that asthe foundation and set goal
setting.
you know, and that's the thinkless, feel more.
(41:38):
Goals tend to be all aboutdoing, and that's fine.
Goals should be productive,where possible measurable.
So I'm all for that.
But start with the values,alignment, and start who you
want to be and how you want tofeel.
Then go into the okay, what amI going to do to feel that way?
(42:02):
What am I going to do to be andshow up like that?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Exactly.
It's not just going all right,I want to have a fancy sports
car.
It's going well, okay, well,how's that going to make you
feel and is that aligned?
And then the manifestation partadded into there is like, okay,
we'll bring that feeling intothe now and how can you meditate
and start putting your bodyinto that vibrational frequency,
(42:31):
for it to come into your lifeas well?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Exactly, yeah, so I've come up with what I call
the three Bs.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, which is betterment, belonging and
becoming so like betterment.
What do we want to like?
How do we want to grow?
What do we want to dothroughout the year to be and
feel better?
And then belonging who's ourtribe, how do we belong to the
tribe that we love and how do webelong more to ourselves?
(43:01):
And then becoming like how, whodo we want to be and how do we
want to feel like day to day andhow will we become that?
Um, so yeah, so it doesn't meanyou don't still have very
distinct things to do, like oneof mine last year around
belonging was to join a choir,you know, because I love singing
(43:24):
and I just wanted to meet newpeople and be part of something
like that with music and thatform of expression.
So it was still very muchsomething to do.
Yeah, it tied back to how Iwanted to feel and what I wanted
to belong to and also probablyyour other values as well.
(43:45):
And how much singing like that'swhy they sing in churches it
raises your vibration then, yeah, yeah, and it also works on
your vagus nerve, which isreally so important for your
nervous system, and like there'sso much benefit to singing,
like don't get me started, um,if it's just karaoke people,
(44:06):
totally yeah, or if you want tosing mantras.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm just going to add a one last thing before we wrap
up.
Um, my partner's mom is akundalini master teacher, and so
we do kundalini practices aswell, and it's interesting it's
not talked about enough, becauseyou know how the whole breath
work thing is huge right now.
What I love about kundalini isit is sound, it's singing, it's
(44:31):
breath work, it's yoga andmovement and it's meditation, so
it's all of them in one, and itdoes shift energy in your body
as well.
So I just wanted to drop thatin there while we were on that.
Now, where can people find youand connect with you?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, probably just through kintsugiwayco is the
best, because they can drop me aline there, check out the books
or, yeah, just email me and sayhi, yeah.
So love to hear from people and, obviously, smiling Mind Like
I'd love people to be able touse that resource.
It's free, like if that'ssomething that sounds appealing
(45:12):
and is going to be supportivefor them.
It really is a great practiceand there's some really short,
impactful content in there too.
That, again, if people want tobuild it in and just have a
small daily ritual, it's areally good one.
So I'd love people to to accessthat and use it as much as they
can amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, so nice.
It was great to have a chatwith you, as always, and I'll
pop all the details.
To chat with Janie in there orsee the work that she does in
the show notes Sounds good.
Thanks, brooke.
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