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John Hauber (00:00):
Welcome back to the
Senior Housing Investors
Podcast.
I'm your host, John Hauber, andwe are ending in December of
2024 and thinking about testinga few new ideas, and one of
those is what we call a deepdive with some artificial
intelligence.
We upload some information toAI and it gives us some
(00:24):
commentary.
Hope you like this and enjoythis little snippet.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (00:29):
All
right.
So you've got this stack ofinfo on senior housing
investment and you want the keytakeaways, right?
Artificial Intelligence S (00:34):
Right
.
Artificial Intelligence H (00:35):
Let's
dive in.
Artificial Intellige (00:36):
Absolutely
.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (00:37):
I'm
joined today by a senior
housing expert to help makesense of all this data.
Artificial Intelligence Se (00:42):
Yeah
, happy to be here.
Artificial Intelligence Host (00:43):
So
the senior housing market seems
to be at a turning point.
Artificial Intelligence Se (00:46):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (00:46):
And
all these sources suggest it's
ripe for investment.
But we're not just talking drynumbers here.
No, we're talking about ademographic shift.
Artificial Intelligence Se (00:54):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (00:54):
With
huge implications.
Artificial Intelligence Se (00:55):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (00:56):
Like
.
Imagine a wave of seniorslooking for specific types of
housing.
Artificial Intelligence Se (01:01):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (01:02):
Are
we ready for them?
Artificial Intelligence Sen (01:03):
Big
question.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (01:04):
Yeah
.
So one of the first things thatjumped out at me is this
prediction that the 80 pluspopulation, which is the prime
senior housing demographic, isprojected to surge over 20
percent in the next five years.
Artificial Intelligence (01:20):
That's
a lot.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (01:21):
Yeah
, but then they hit you with
this construction data.
It's like wait.
Are we even remotely ready forthis wave?
Artificial Intelligence Se (01:27):
Yeah
, it's a fascinating paradox.
We're on the verge of thismassive demand boom.
Right, yet new construction ispractically frozen in time.
Yeah, lowest point since 2009.
Really, in fact, only 900 newunits broke ground in Q2 2024.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (01:44):
Wow
.
Artificial Intelligence Seni (01:45):
So
that tells you something, right
there?
Artificial Intelligence Host (01:46):
It
definitely does.
So what's driving thispopulation surge?
Artificial Intelligence Se (01:50):
Well
, it's a bit of both.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (01:51):
Okay
.
Artificial Intelligenc (01:52):
Advances
in health care are certainly a
factor.
People are living longer,healthier lives.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (01:57):
Okay
.
Artificial Intelligence Sen (01:58):
But
there's also a demographic wave
we can't ignore, right, thebaby boomers are entering their
80s, okay, and this generationis larger than any before it.
They're also a generationthat's used to a certain level
of comfort and amenities.
John Hauber (02:10):
Yeah.
Artificial Intelligence S (02:11):
Which
translates to higher
expectations for senior living.
Artificial Intelligence Host (02:15):
So
how is the market responding to
this surge in demand?
Artificial Intelligence Se (02:18):
Well
for investors.
The current picture is prettycompelling.
The report mentions 12consecutive quarters of
occupancy growth.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (02:25):
Wow
, that's impressive.
Occupancy rates are now hittinga record high, of 85.9%.
That's incredible, and it's notjust a blip no no.
This consistent upward trendsuggests a fundamental shift in
the market.
Absolutely, and let's notforget about rent.
Artificial Intelligence Seni (02:42):
Oh
yeah.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (02:42):
The
average asking rent just hit
$5,300.
Oh, the highest ever.
Artificial Intelligence Se (02:48):
Yeah
, that's got to make some
investors salivate.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (02:50):
For
sure, for sure.
So this is where it getsinteresting for me.
Okay, senior housing isn't justone big category, right?
Yeah, you've got everythingfrom active adult communities
for the 55 plus crowd all theway to memory care facilities.
That's a whole spectrum ofoptions.
Artificial Intelligence Se (03:06):
Yeah
, and that's a crucial point for
investors to grasp.
John Hauber (03:09):
Okay.
Artificial Intell (03:10):
Understanding
the different types of senior
housing, their targetdemographics and their operating
models is critical.
Right, are you looking atindependent living for active
seniors who want a maintenancefree lifestyle?
John Hauber (03:23):
Right.
Artificial Intelligence Seni (03:24):
Or
are you considering assisted
living for those needing a bitmore support?
Artificial Intelligence Ho (03:27):
Okay
.
Artificial Intelligence Se (03:28):
Each
model has its own risk profile
and return potential.
Artificial Intelligence Host (03:31):
So
they included this chart Senior
housing outperforming otherasset classes.
It basically shows seniorhousing crushing it.
Artificial Intelligence Se (03:39):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligenc (03:40):
Compared
to other real estate sectors
over the past two decades.
Right, it's weatheredrecessions and market
fluctuations like a champ.
Artificial Intelligence Se (03:47):
Yeah
.
One key takeaway from that isthe resilience of this sector
During times of economicuncertainty.
People still need housing, yeah, and senior housing, especially
the needs-based segments likeassisted living and memory care
care, tends to hold up well.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (04:05):
Okay
.
So now, before we get toocarried away with all the
sunshine and rainbows, there hasto be some downside Of course,
every investment has its risks.
So what are some of thepotential risks investors need
to be aware of?
Artificial Intelligence Se (04:16):
Well
, one potential challenge is
rising operating costs.
Labor shortages in thehealthcare sector are driving up
wages.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (04:24):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Sen (04:24):
And
the cost of providing quality
care is increasing.
Artificial Intelligence H (04:27):
Right
.
Artificial Intelligence (04:28):
Another
factor is interest rate risk.
Ok, if interest rates rise, itcan impact the cost of financing
for new development andacquisitions, potentially
squeezing profit margins.
Artificial Intelligence Host (04:38):
So
it's not just about riding the
demographic wave.
Yeah, it's about understandingthe operational and financial
intricacies.
Artificial Intelligen (04:45):
Precisely
, due diligence is critical in
this market, understanding localmarket dynamics.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (04:52):
Okay
.
Artificial Intelligence Sen (04:53):
The
competitive landscape, yeah,
and the quality of the operator.
Artificial Intelligence H (04:57):
Right
.
Artificial Intelligence Sen (04:57):
Are
all crucial factors to consider
.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (05:00):
You
know one quote that really
stuck with me.
Artificial Intelligence Se (05:02):
Okay
.
Artificial Intelligence Host (05:02):
Is
from Eric Morton the.
Ceo of NICMAP, vision Right,who said, and I quote Okay.
The combination of suppressedsupply, growth, high absorption
rates and demographic tailwindsis creating unprecedented
opportunities.
Artificial Intelligence Se (05:18):
Yeah
, I think what Eric is
highlighting is the overallpositive outlook for the sector.
Ok, but Saudi investors knowthere's always another side to
the story.
Artificial Intelligence H (05:26):
Right
.
Artificial Intelligence Se (05:27):
It's
not just about identifying
potential opportunity.
It's also about mitigatingpotential risks.
That's where thorough researchand a deep understanding of the
market become essential.
For example, one risk that'snot often discussed is the
potential for oversaturation incertain markets.
If everyone rushes in to buildsenior housing, it could lead to
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an oversupply, driving downoccupancy and rents.
Artificial Intelligence Host (05:52):
So
the takeaway here is to do your
homework.
Artificial Intellige (05:56):
Absolutely
.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (05:56):
This
isn't just about jumping on the
bandwagon Right.
It's about strategic, informeddecision making.
Artificial Intelligence (06:02):
Exactly
, but I think it's also
important to remember that thisis more than just an investment
opportunity.
We're talking about providinghousing and care for a
generation that's contributed somuch to society.
There's a social impact elementhere that resonates deeply with
me.
Artificial Intelligence (06:20):
That's
a great point.
So what are your final thoughtsfor someone diving into this
world of senior housinginvestment?
Artificial Intelligence Seni (06:25):
Do
your research, understand the
different types of seniorhousing, assess the market
carefully and remember the humanelement.
This is an opportunity topotentially generate strong
returns while also making apositive impact on the lives of
seniors.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (06:42):
This
deep dive has been eye-opening.
Artificial Intelligence Se (06:43):
Glad
to hear it.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (06:44):
It's
clear that the senior housing
market is complex.
Artificial Intelligence Seni (06:47):
It
is.
Artificial Intelligence Ho (06:48):
Full
of potential.
Artificial Intelligence Se (06:49):
Yeah
.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (06:49):
But
not without its challenges.
For sure, it's not just aboutthe numbers, no, it's about
understanding a demographicshift and its implications for
society as a whole.
Artificial Intellige (06:59):
Absolutely
.
Artificial Intelligence Host (06:59):
So
for all of you out there
thinking about where to put yourmoney in 2025 and beyond,
senior housing might just be theplace to be.
Artificial Intelligence S (07:07):
Could
be.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (07:07):
But
remember, do your homework.
Artificial Intelligence (07:09):
Always
.
Thanks
for joining us on this deep
dive.
Artificial Intelligence Seni (07:12):
It
was a pleasure.
Artificial Intelligence Hos (07:13):
And
we'll see you next time.
Artificial Intelligence Sen (07:14):
See
you later.
Artificial Intelligence H (07:15):
Where
we'll be taking a deep dive
into another exciting investmentopportunity.
Artificial Intelligence (07:18):
Sounds
good.
Artificial Intelligence H (07:19):
Until
then, happy investing.
Bye.