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During, yeah, the last 10 yearsof my own journey and my own
journey of healing my ancestraltraumas that I wasn't really
consciously aware of, but Ialways felt that there were
like I could always feel thatthere were some really big
traumas within my ancestrallineages coming from Germany,
having two world wars, thingsthat were not talked about,
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you know, it's, you justinherit cultural ancestral
trauma if you want or not.
Welcome to the sensitivesuccess podcast, where we
explore the unique challengesand opportunities that comes
with being a sensitive changemaker in today's world.
I'm your host, Frida Kahlo,and I have spent the last
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decade recreating my life.
I moved from Sweden to NewZealand and now live in the
beautiful bush with my husbandand two kids, homeschooling and
creating a life and businessthat works for me with the
help of my sensitivity andsupport others to do the same.
I'm excited to shareconversations with experts.
Thought leaders and fellowsensitive people who also
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see the world throughthe lens of sensitivity.
Thank you so much for beinghere, because it means that
you are creating sensitivesuccess too, which is
precisely what the world needs.
Let's get started.
Welcome to Sensitive Success.
I'm excited to saywelcome to Zara Tle.
Welcome, z.
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Welcome.
Thank you.
Did I say welcome?
So excited to have you here.
And Sarah is a film directorfrom Berlin, living not far
from me here in the far northof New Zealand, Aotearoa.
And now she is working asan Ancestral Lineage Healing
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Practitioner, Intuitive Healer,and Akashish Record Reader.
She's also an apprenticewith Māori Tohunga Wiremu.
It feels like there's quite adistance between film directing
in Berlin and now learningabout Maori spiritual work.
So please tell us a bit moreabout your journey and how
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you come to do what you do.
Yes.
Thank you, Frida.
I'm very glad to be here.
Yes, it is quite a journey,um, from, from Germany to
Aotearoa, as you know, aswell, coming from Europe.
I've been livingin New Zealand now.
Like, I came here for thefirst time 10 years ago, and
I've been living here nowconsistently for five years.
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Yes, so I trained as a filmdirector in Berlin, in Germany,
and I really loved that.
It was like a passion of mine.
I really loved film.
I loved Berlin and I loveworking as a film director
and I thought that iswhat I would do forever.
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Yeah, things just startedto change, but it was more
like it wasn't my, didnot decide consciously to
leave my career and to setout to travel the world.
It was not like a decisionthat came from here.
It was really.
Something else drivingit, like spirit really
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driving me to do this.
And I set out to travel and cameto New Zealand as well in that
first year of travel and thingsjust started changing for me.
I was, I was traveling asa film director with my
camera and with my film even.
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And wherever I went, youknow, went to the South
Pacific to, um, the Pacificislands and shared my
movie with the people and.
You know, always filming, alwaystaking photos, doing interviews,
and always seeing everything ina film and like in a project.
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And I really like New Zealand.
I really like the people thatI connected with here and
Also, I was very moved orvery balled once I was here
to, to the Maori culture.
I was lucky to beinvited onto a marae.
I was lucky to be introducedto beautiful people who took
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me in and just shared a lotof, um, their culture with me.
And I, I honestly had, I didn'tknow anything when I came from
Germany about Te Reo Māori,the language, the people, the
culture, but once I heard myfirst karakia and also my first
waiata, that is the song, I justfelt really moved and I had this
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just sort of, I, I know there'ssomething in me knows this.
This, this sounds, it's, it feltreally familiar and I decided
I wanted to spend as much timeas possible and Connect with
the culture and I stayed forone year and then I kept on
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traveling and there's a lot.
So I'm just cutting it short.
So a couple of years later,I am living in South America
and Peru at that time.
And I was workingwith plant medicine.
And apprenticing with the plantmedicine maestra in the Amazon.
And I also, that was whereI also met my husband,
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Teatea Taulelei, whois from New Zealand.
He's a Samoan Kiwi, so he'sfrom Samoa and New Zealand.
We met in South Americaand I had been to Aotearoa
and, and I had also beento the South Pacific.
So it was quiteinteresting to meet.
away from the places wherehe's from and where I had been.
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And yeah, after a while, wejust knew that we would come
back here to Aotearoa and.
To be closer in the Pacificand also to, we knew
that there was some workthat we're going to do.
We didn't quite know backthen what it exactly was,
or who was the teacherwe're supposed to meet.
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But, um, yeah, so whenwe came to Aotearoa,
we then made contact.
To, with Vitamuniania, who isthe Tohunga that we've been
apprenticing with for the lastthree years and teaches and
trains people in Mahiwairua.
He's, yeah, one of the lastTohungas or of the Tohungas who
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actually shares his knowledgeand has a deep interest on
passing on that knowledge.
And.
And also maintaining thewisdom and, and supporting
the people with it.
And yeah, so we've beenvery fortunate to learn with
him and from him and yes.
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So maybe that brought it alittle bit from film direction
to New Zealand and Mahi Wairoadoing spiritual work now.
I love that.
What a beautiful journey.
So this is the sensitivesuccess podcast.
What does success mean to you?
So I'm a Capricorn, that is mysun sign, and I think Capricorns
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can be quite success orientated,and I know that I'll do have
that thinking sometimes, youknow, also as a film director,
that was important to me.
In a way, you know, it wasimportant to me to have a film
that was screened on a, in afestival that had a good, you
know, that had good critique,like, it was something, it was
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goal driven in a way, but thenthings changed on, on many
levels, so, you know, like, youcould say success can, it is
not material for me anymore.
I think that'swhat I want to say.
It can be material and there'snothing wrong with that.
And, but I, if I'm reallyfeeling into what success
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means to me, then it's not ona material level anymore and
probably never really was.
So, yeah, what ismy state of health?
What is my mental state?
How is my spiritual connection?
And also I thinkreal success for me.
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means if I'm living mydharma, like if I'm living
what I'm supposed to, tobe doing here on earth.
And if I feel that is inalignment, that feels like
that's a good success.
So have you always feltbecause you said you loved
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the filmmaking as well.
Have you always felt that youlived in alignment or is that
something you had to work with?
I feel it's something that'sbeen like a pillar, you know,
so it's like being in thrivingto be as authentic as possible.
I was that also with the filmsthat I was making, you know,
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so it wasn't really, I wasn'tworking for the big industry.
I was, it was more art film and,you know, writing my own films.
and sharing mymessage in the film.
So being true in your authenticexpression, I think that
is something that alwayshas guided me or that what
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that I'm thriving to, to be.
And then I think along the way,it just changed for me how I
was able to do that becauseI, as a film director, to some
point I, I was, and I loved it.
And then it just, Um, youknow, and really feel like it,
it was more like my ancestorsbeing like, okay, actually
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you have to do a few otherthings to sort of, um, moving
me into a different direction.
Hmm.
Love that.
Beautiful.
Another thing you mentionedin your, uh, what you wrote
to me before we jumpedon here was that you have
synesthesia, synesthesia,tell us a bit more about that.
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So probably most people maybehave heard about that or know
about that from, um, That alot of musicians have that,
or like famous composers,um, or painters or artists.
So it can show upin different ways.
So for me, my synesthesiahas always been that I see
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colors with, um, lettersand numbers, for example.
And also when hearing certainwords or smelling, like with
all my senses, it's connectedwith colors and images.
That has always been likethat, and also the, the color
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code is not something that Iconsciously shows it was always.
So, for example, yourname, you know, I'm just
using that as an example.
So the A in my color alphabethas always been yellow.
Like the sun and so that'sa very dominant color.
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And so I can't change that.
I can't decide.
I would like it to be blue.
So it's just how it shows up.
And so therefore it aligns withother colors or other letters.
For example, and yeah, so thecolors come with the names
with, I think it supports mein having a good memory, but
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also, of course, in the workthat I'm doing, making use of
my synesthetic gifts that wereobviously not supported, like in
my upbringing in Germany, therewasn't something that people
were aware of, or the schoolthat I attended, it was quite
the opposite, so when I startedwriting as a child, I was trying
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to use the, the right, likethe, the same color pen for
the letter that I had to write,you know, when you are in first
grade and you learn the alphabetand you have to write it down
like a hundred times the letterA, a hundred times the letter O.
And I was, you know, writing,my whole, um, book was, Written
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with, you know, every word hada different color because that's
how I saw it, or I still see it.
And then, of course, it waslike, well, you can't use that.
You have to use one pen.
You don't have time to, youknow, paint the letters.
So, of course, I had toadjust, you know, you learn
that then quite quickly.
And I also realized, oh,not everyone sees colors.
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I thought, you know,as a child, people.
See colors so that,you know, maybe your a
has a different color.
Everyone has a different color.
That's why peoplelike different colors.
But then I realized that noteveryone actually sees colors.
And works with colors,or they're not as
pleasant for them.
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I just find it so fascinatinghow different we can work, like
how different our minds work.
And yeah, like the sadnessof not having that expressed.
And as you say,using it as a gift.
I, yeah, I love that youreconnected with that and
really see it as a gift now.
Yes, I really do.
I feel I always embraced it,but I, you know, it took me,
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like, I also didn't grow up witha name or framework for that.
I remember I was probablyin a late, in my late teens
when I heard the firsttime that word synesthesia
and how that's connected.
And then I'm like, Oh, well,I have this, you know, it
wasn't like no one, none of theteachers are Knew what that was,
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you know, yeah, but recently, Iwould say in the last 10 years
through my work, I feel I'vebeen really able to develop
that more strongly on trustedand use that even for my work.
I also use and channeledit in my work as a film
director, you know, like.
Films have a certaintheme for color, like the
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cinematography I worked with,we worked really strongly
with the moods and colors, ofcourse, you know, it always
flowed into, into my work.
And now it's just differentlyconnected to how I, um,
connect to my intuitive gifts.
Love that.
Yeah.
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So when you talk about yourwork, do you see it as a
business or how do you see it?
Yes, I do see it asa sacred business.
Um, I would say with whatever Iearn money, that's my business.
And, you know, there's oftenthis, like, when you are a
healer or when you work inthe healing arts that, um.
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Yes, some people, you know,might not want to focus on
the business, but it's likeat the end, this is like,
this is what I'm sharing.
This is what I'm gettingan energy exchange.
And so, yeah, thisis my business.
And what do you feel isthe biggest challenge to
be a sensitive in business?
Probably the overwhelm, Ifeel so, you know, creating
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structure, maybe that worksfor one, you know, in a
good way, in a healthy way.
And I also feel that a lotof intuitive and sensitive
people, you know, we can gobecause we have get so much
information through our heads.
So like through our pineal andthe third eyes, we can be quite
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caught up in the head sometimes.
And I feel it's really importantto be able to ground yourself in
order to, to thrive in, in yourpractice and in your business.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's, you know, I feelvery, very grateful to be living
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in New Zealand and where weare like surrounded by nature.
And that's, you know, Ichoose that because I know
this is, it supports me.
Yeah.
At this point, I cannot imagine,you know, living again for
in Berlin, in the city beingsurrounded by so many people.
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Yeah.
Finding environments that workfor you and getting out into
nature as much as possible.
I do that regularly, even after,you know, when I have sessions,
especially for energetic work.
It's so important to go outand cleanse yourself, clear
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that energetic field and naturejust supports you with that.
So you just have to go out and,but really, you know, using that
scheduling that in, even if it'snecessary for people who are not
living in the bush as we, or,you know, you can go out into
the park or like, take a shower,but finding grounding exercises
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to, to really come back.
to yourself and also tobe able to share from a
place of groundedness.
Yeah, I love that.
And I, yeah, I can definitelyfeel a shift also from living
in the bush for a year now,moved from Hamilton here.
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It's really a shiftand so, so grounding.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you see asthe biggest strength as
a sensitive in business?
As I asked about thechallenges, I want to ask
about the strengths as well.
So I would say for myself,it is having that spiritual
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connection, bringing thatinto my business and letting
that guide is, I feel thatis the strength because it's
not, it doesn't come from thehealing out or from the mind.
It comes from somethingbigger or from a bigger
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source and connecting to that.
Um, and being ableto connect to that.
I feel that a lot of peopleand also a lot of business
people are lacking that,and they might, you know,
they're looking to find itor the, but you can't, you
can't find it with here.
You can't find it with pushingor powering through something.
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It's, it's not found in thefast pace world, usually.
So, for people who are verysensitive, once you find your
place, and once you accept.
Where you are with that,it becomes easier to be,
to be a conduit for whatwants to come through you.
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And yes, I would say thatis the strength for, that
I'm feeling in my businessand I imagine for others.
How do you balance thatfollowing what, what feels of
following the spirit and theneed to, to live in this world,
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to make money, to have a roofover your head and all that?
Yeah, I feel that becausewe're only in the spirit
world and the upper world,you know, then, of course, um,
people can get a little bitaloof, you know, that's why
I feel it's important to staygrounded and being able to.
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Get your food from outsideand also doing things
with the reverence.
Funny, while I'm justtalking, just outside my
window, there are two bullswho are fighting each other.
So, speaking about grounding,and just like, Wow.
Yeah, sorry, they justdistracted my view because
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they've been like going oneach other, just running
in the, in the field.
It's like, you know, in MahiWairoa, we always, um, we
talk about Orangi, whichis the sky of heaven, and
Papatūānuku, which is theearth, and it's about bringing
these two, like, together,and being balanced in both.
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If we're too strongly inone or the other, we can't
be really present here.
And I feel that it's a constantpractice, you know, it's
something what you do on a dailybasis, like how can you maintain
your spiritual practices, forexample, whatever that is to
you, plus then the Mundanethings like cooking a meal and
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preparing food, cleaning up,doing all of this and still
having time to expand into yourbusiness or like doing things
like social media or doingthings like a podcast, you know,
to, to find balance with that,it's a challenge and I feel it
can be, it's really my sense.
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It becomes more and morechallenging with the more we.
Here from the outsideworld, we more we engage
with what's around us.
You know, you can getbombarded and especially
for sensitive people.
You have to have a strongboundary and decide like not.
If you feel like you want to gooff social media for a week for
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some time, do that, you know,have boundaries with that don't
have to answer to messages.
If you're not feeling goodthat day, like, you know,
make yourself time and spacewhere fits what and you
can use the moon calendar.
You can use your, if you're awoman, your biological calendar
to what is good for you.
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And And work with thatgoing, coming away from this
patriarchal have to work fromMonday to Friday, and then
you stop and then you have nowChristmas break and then you
stop and then you push again.
It's like really coming backto what is nature telling
you and trying to liveby these principles feels
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super supportive for howwe can run our business.
I love that.
And you also talkabout ancestral trauma.
Tell us a bit moreabout that work.
Yeah.
So I'm an ancestral healingpractitioner through the
Ancestral Medicine Network.
Um, my teacher is Dr.
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Daniel Fore and I support peopleconnecting with their ancestors.
And so, you know, I'mcoming from Germany.
So I You know, it wasn'treally, I wasn't really
brought up with a frameworkfor ancestral reverence.
And I would say most people inthe Western culture are not, no.
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So I am married to an indigenousman and I lived in a lot of
different countries and engagedwith indigenous cultures.
So I've seen how itcan be different.
And that's also whyI'm passionate about
maintaining these paths.
Wisdom and this knowledge and soduring the last 10 years of my
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own journey and my own journeyof healing my ancestral traumas
that I wasn't really consciouslyaware of, but I always felt
that there were like, I couldalways feel that there were some
really big traumas within myancestral lineages coming from
Germany, having two world wars,things that were not talked
about, you know, it's from.
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You just inheritcultural ancestral trauma
if you want or not.
So, and then working with thaton an unconscious level really
started bringing massive healingfor me on a personal level.
And then of course, throughthat, I also wanted to share
that and feel there's a strongneed, you know, for people to,
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to realize that you can connectwith your ancestors and that.
The healing is possible, therepair work is possible, and
we just have to, you know, beshown how to and connect with
people who might hold thatreverence and And reclaim that.
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For me, it's really likereclaiming of old rites and
rituals that our people, everyone of our ancestors had.
And of course, if you come fromlike the Western world, it's
been buried for a long time,but it's still there and we
can connect to that knowledge.
And once we tap into that,it can really enliven that
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person's experience of whatthey have been, what they've
been going through at this time.
If it's illness, ifthat's depression, I've
seen really big changeshappening through that work.
And that's why I'm reallygrateful to be sharing it too.
So how do we know if it'ssomething with us or if it's
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some something behind, behindus, something deeper, something
older that needs to be healed?
Yeah, I would say probablymost people just have a sense.
So maybe if I've identified itthat this is yours, and then
it also, you know, can be,it can become yours because
it got passed down to you andyou just accepted it to be
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yours, or to be part of thatlineage, part of your story.
So if we're not connectedto our ancestors, or we
don't know what actually theburdens and the blessings of
the lineages are, then it'salso hard to differentiate
where it's coming from.
But it doesn't mean that youneed to know your ancestry.
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You need to know who died ofwhat it's something that you
can, it's an innate wisdomthat is held within ourselves.
You can connect to that.
So it's okay to have thatintellectual knowledge as
well, but it's somethingthat you feel in your bones.
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And it's also.
Like in the ancestral healing,we sometimes use that term
that we as the living, we,so we are here in this realm,
the ancestors or the dead,you know, you can see them
in another realm if you want.
And, but we are the livingface of our, and of our
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people, of our ancestors.
So, therefore, there is aconnection if we want to
or not, and then we can.
You know, if there's like,um, things that are affecting
you maybe on an, in a negativeway, most people know that
it's ancestral or that itcould be connected to it.
It's like an, an inner knowingwhere it could come from.
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Do you think that we are extraperceptive, uh, sensitive?
Absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
I also feel that, you know,most people Like, I always think
everyone is born sensitive,you know, and then they're
like, maybe different levelsof sensitivity that one has.
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And then, of course, how is thatnurtured during life and how are
you able to keep it and then youcan exercise that muscle of your
intuition and your sensitivityand live accordingly to it or
the total opposites, you know.
But I believe that everyonehas an innate ability
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to, to connect to that.
So if, if someone feelslike they do want to connect
to, they do want to healthat, where can they start?
So there's a lot of freematerial out there too, from
the Ancestral Medicine Network.
And then of course youcan book sessions with a
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practitioner, for example.
For to start really that work,I often say it's a bit like
imagine doing psychotherapy, butwith your ancestors, that's how
it felt for me in the beginning.
So it's not, um, it's not likea one time session and I'm
not coming and doing, and I'malso not doing the healing.
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I'm just holding that spacebecause me and my people hold
that space because the healingcomes from your ancestors.
Like, I don't have the powerto do anything there that's,
you know, the, the ones whothe elders have the power and
the wisdom and the strengthto send healing that way.
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So, all we can do as theliving, we act like a bridge
by us, like, connecting tothem and asking them for
guidance and asking them forprotection and for healing
that can get activated.
We are not doing it.
We're just the onesconnecting with the ones
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who have that power, butlike with bigger powers.
Another thing that you,you're passionate about and
talking about and that we canhear already is preserving
the indigenous knowledge.
So yeah, tell us abit more about that.
Yeah.
You know, maybe first of all,through my husband as well.
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So he is Samoan and then welived in South America and
I lived in really different,um, communities and saw
different indigenous cultures.
I feel very grateful for thatexperience and then now here
in Aotearoa, um, working withthe Tohunga and What that told
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me is, you know, I feel oftenas people who grew up in the
West, we, like we run aroundand we, that's how I felt when
I left, you know, so I thoughtI was, I thought I was okay.
I was quite happy as a filmdirector living in Berlin, but
I had like some kind of inkling.
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It was just the sensesomething was missing and
I did not know what it was.
I always thought, like,I always seen myself as a
spiritual person, probablynot in that way that I would
see myself now, you know, nowI have deep faith in spirit.
Back then, I didn't quite knowwhat it actually was or what
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the powers were I can connectto and support, be supported by.
And I feel most ofWesterners don't have that
connection because we'vebeen like cut off from that.
And so that's, we run aroundand we think something is off.
People have depression, allsorts of illnesses, all sorts
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of disconnection, disconnectedfrom the spirit world.
People like acknowledge thatthey have a body and a mind, but
spirit is like, maybe religion,but what is spirit, you know?
So there's, it's notreally an alignment.
And so that's howit felt for me too.
And then that reallychanged once I accepted
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spirit comes first.
And what does that mean?
And how, how does it,does that affect my life?
I would say that probably mostof the indigenous cultures,
they all have that same pillar.
They accept spirit as thepower that comes first.
And then the humancomes and then the mind
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and the body comes.
And I would say inWestern culture, it's
the other way around.
So sometimes there's alittle bit of spirit that
is accepted or you can have.
Some contact, but it's, it'snot the other way around and I
feel by, you know, my passionof preserving that it's just
what it did for me when Icould connect back to that
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innate sense and knowledgeand wisdom that my own people
held, of course, I feel deepreverence for the wisdom and
knowledge that the indigenouspeople hold and yeah, I feel
it's utterly important that we.
preserve that and honor it.
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And I feel also so many peoplefeel drawn to these teachings
because they know that they'vebeen missing something deep
inside, but they just don't,can't really word what it is.
Yeah, definitely.
It really resonates comingfrom Sweden, which is one
of the most non believingpeople on earth as well.
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I can really feel a sense ofloss and sadness around my own.
history and the loss ofconnection and knowledge around
that, but also like a fearor, yeah, a fear of stepping
into someone else's knowledge.
Um, so how do youunderstand what I mean?
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And, and what doyou say about that?
So do you mean fear of steppinginto someone else's knowledge?
Because I feel like myknowledge, Swedish Indigenous
knowledge is It's gone.
Um, because it's been solong ago and stepping into
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like, especially here in,in New Zealand, I can feel
a longing for stepping intomy own, my own lineage, uh,
because it's so present herewith the Maori and, and the
knowledge they have, but alsofear of stepping into there.
And, and cause it, it's, itdoesn't feel like it's mine
if you know what I mean.
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Yes.
I understand that.
And I feel that's why, you know,I would say for me, so my own
journey and my own connectionwith my ancestors has started
taking place while not evenbeing on my ancestral lands
and being away from Germany.
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In a funny way, I had tobe away from Germany from
probably the most recenttrauma or, you know, the
trauma that the recent death.
We're carrying was sostrong that it was affecting
me while I was there.
And so for me, it was easier.
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And the longing became strongerwhen I was away from Germany
that I could actually connectand heal what I wasn't able
to do while I was in Germany.
I don't say thatthat's for everyone.
That was my personal experience.
And.
My connection to my people, myancestors who are all Germanic,
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or most of them, is reallystrong now, and I feel because
of their support, because Iknow where I'm coming from,
I know who they are, I knowthey have my back, I know they
are guiding me, that's why,maybe relate in a different
way to, to the other ancestors.
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But.
Because I know who mine are, andI feel that that is something,
you know, that people who arenot having that connection, and
they're missing something, andthen they might, you know, they
see Indigenous people being veryconnected, or maybe having that
strong connection, and they can,that can trigger, you know, a
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fear, or also you know, Sadness,or you're just not knowing
actually how to change that.
And I feel from the work, Iknow that, you know, we, yes,
we might feel that thingsare lost or they've been like
buried for such a long time.
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It is possible to connectto that wisdom and to
that knowledge that yourancestors carried, even if
it's very long time ago.
And I know it from myselfand how that supported me in
also, you know, not feelingalone, feeling like, yes,
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oh, I, I also have peoplearound me who want this for
me, who I can call on to.
And that is, you know,something where I feel, yeah,
we have to reclaim this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what I'm hearing also islike really reclaim and gaming
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back the knowledge from ourown lineage so that we can
explore with other indigenouspeople as well, but not filling
the void with, with others.
Yeah.
And also one important aspect.
I feel in the ancestralhealing, especially as being
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able to listen and, you know,because in that process, when
I guide people through thatprocess, it's, it's like a trans
meditation where you, you know,you enter a connective space
where you, where connectionis possible, you know, and so
it's important to listen towhat they actually have to say.
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And I feel if we're not able tolisten to our own ancestors, how
are we then able to listen to.
What the indigenous peoplehave to say, you know, how
are we able to preservewhat is still here.
If we're not able tolisten to our own people.
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Beautiful.
I feel like there's somuch more we could go into.
But if someone wants toknow more about you and
your work, where is thebest place to find you?
Yeah, so, um, Instagram is agood way to find me on Moon
Mirror Medicine, and thenmy website and the schedule
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site for to connect with me.
I offer free connectioncalls for everyone who's
interested in my work.
So I offer ancestral healing,and Mahi Wairua support, and
also I read Akashic Records.
Beautiful.
So much yumminess there.
Thank you so muchfor being here.
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Is there anything else thatyou would like to say to those
sensitives that are listening?
It is really your strength tobe sensitive and to see, you
know, to, to be this sensitivebeing, even if it can be
so overwhelming sometimes.
If you're able tohonor your needs.
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First, it is such a beautifulgift and your biggest strength
to be that sensitive and thenalso to share from that place.
It's, it's beautiful.
I love that.
Beautiful.
Thank you so, so much.
Thank you so much for beinghere and sharing your wisdom.
I love this conversationand thank you for the work
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that you do in the world.
It's so important.
Thank you, Frida.
Thank you so much for having me.
It was really greatto talk to you.
Thank you for listeningto Sensitive Success.
If you enjoyed this episode,please leave a review and
share it with someone who couldbenefit from this message.
And come over and connect withme on Instagram at FridaKarl.
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And remember, sensitivityis neither good or bad.
It's what we make of it.
Embrace your sensitivityand use it to create
sensitive success your way.
During, yeah, the last 10 yearsof my own journey and my own
journey of healing my ancestraltraumas that I wasn't really
consciously aware of, but Ialways felt that there were
like I could always feel thatthere were some really big
traumas within my ancestrallineages coming from Germany,
having two world wars, thingsthat were not talked about,
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you know, it's, you justinherit cultural ancestral
trauma if you want or not.
Welcome to the sensitivesuccess podcast, where we
explore the unique challengesand opportunities that comes
with being a sensitive changemaker in today's world.
I'm your host, Frida Kahlo,and I have spent the last
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decade recreating my life.
I moved from Sweden to NewZealand and now live in the
beautiful bush with my husbandand two kids, homeschooling and
creating a life and businessthat works for me with the
help of my sensitivity andsupport others to do the same.
I'm excited to shareconversations with experts.
Thought leaders and fellowsensitive people who also
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see the world throughthe lens of sensitivity.
Thank you so much for beinghere, because it means that
you are creating sensitivesuccess too, which is
precisely what the world needs.
Let's get started.
Welcome to Sensitive Success.
I'm excited to saywelcome to Zara Tle.
Welcome, z.
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Welcome.
Thank you.
Did I say welcome?
So excited to have you here.
And Sarah is a film directorfrom Berlin, living not far
from me here in the far northof New Zealand, Aotearoa.
And now she is working asan Ancestral Lineage Healing
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Practitioner, Intuitive Healer,and Akashish Record Reader.
She's also an apprenticewith Māori Tohunga Wiremu.
It feels like there's quite adistance between film directing
in Berlin and now learningabout Maori spiritual work.
So please tell us a bit moreabout your journey and how
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you come to do what you do.
Yes.
Thank you, Frida.
I'm very glad to be here.
Yes, it is quite a journey,um, from, from Germany to
Aotearoa, as you know, aswell, coming from Europe.
I've been livingin New Zealand now.
Like, I came here for thefirst time 10 years ago, and
I've been living here nowconsistently for five years.
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Yes, so I trained as a filmdirector in Berlin, in Germany,
and I really loved that.
It was like a passion of mine.
I really loved film.
I loved Berlin and I loveworking as a film director
and I thought that iswhat I would do forever.
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Yeah, things just startedto change, but it was more
like it wasn't my, didnot decide consciously to
leave my career and to setout to travel the world.
It was not like a decisionthat came from here.
It was really.
Something else drivingit, like spirit really
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driving me to do this.
And I set out to travel and cameto New Zealand as well in that
first year of travel and thingsjust started changing for me.
I was, I was traveling asa film director with my
camera and with my film even.
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And wherever I went, youknow, went to the South
Pacific to, um, the Pacificislands and shared my
movie with the people and.
You know, always filming, alwaystaking photos, doing interviews,
and always seeing everything ina film and like in a project.
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And I really like New Zealand.
I really like the people thatI connected with here and
Also, I was very moved orvery balled once I was here
to, to the Maori culture.
I was lucky to beinvited onto a marae.
I was lucky to be introducedto beautiful people who took
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me in and just shared a lotof, um, their culture with me.
And I, I honestly had, I didn'tknow anything when I came from
Germany about Te Reo Māori,the language, the people, the
culture, but once I heard myfirst karakia and also my first
waiata, that is the song, I justfelt really moved and I had this
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just sort of, I, I know there'ssomething in me knows this.
This, this sounds, it's, it feltreally familiar and I decided
I wanted to spend as much timeas possible and Connect with
the culture and I stayed forone year and then I kept on
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traveling and there's a lot.
So I'm just cutting it short.
So a couple of years later,I am living in South America
and Peru at that time.
And I was workingwith plant medicine.
And apprenticing with the plantmedicine maestra in the Amazon.
And I also, that was whereI also met my husband,
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Teatea Taulelei, whois from New Zealand.
He's a Samoan Kiwi, so he'sfrom Samoa and New Zealand.
We met in South Americaand I had been to Aotearoa
and, and I had also beento the South Pacific.
So it was quiteinteresting to meet.
away from the places wherehe's from and where I had been.
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And yeah, after a while, wejust knew that we would come
back here to Aotearoa and.
To be closer in the Pacificand also to, we knew
that there was some workthat we're going to do.
We didn't quite know backthen what it exactly was,
or who was the teacherwe're supposed to meet.
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But, um, yeah, so whenwe came to Aotearoa,
we then made contact.
To, with Vitamuniania, who isthe Tohunga that we've been
apprenticing with for the lastthree years and teaches and
trains people in Mahiwairua.
He's, yeah, one of the lastTohungas or of the Tohungas who
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actually shares his knowledgeand has a deep interest on
passing on that knowledge.
And.
And also maintaining thewisdom and, and supporting
the people with it.
And yeah, so we've beenvery fortunate to learn with
him and from him and yes.
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So maybe that brought it alittle bit from film direction
to New Zealand and Mahi Wairoadoing spiritual work now.
I love that.
What a beautiful journey.
So this is the sensitivesuccess podcast.
What does success mean to you?
So I'm a Capricorn, that is mysun sign, and I think Capricorns
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can be quite success orientated,and I know that I'll do have
that thinking sometimes, youknow, also as a film director,
that was important to me.
In a way, you know, it wasimportant to me to have a film
that was screened on a, in afestival that had a good, you
know, that had good critique,like, it was something, it was
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goal driven in a way, but thenthings changed on, on many
levels, so, you know, like, youcould say success can, it is
not material for me anymore.
I think that'swhat I want to say.
It can be material and there'snothing wrong with that.
And, but I, if I'm reallyfeeling into what success
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means to me, then it's not ona material level anymore and
probably never really was.
So, yeah, what ismy state of health?
What is my mental state?
How is my spiritual connection?
And also I thinkreal success for me.
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means if I'm living mydharma, like if I'm living
what I'm supposed to, tobe doing here on earth.
And if I feel that is inalignment, that feels like
that's a good success.
So have you always feltbecause you said you loved
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the filmmaking as well.
Have you always felt that youlived in alignment or is that
something you had to work with?
I feel it's something that'sbeen like a pillar, you know,
so it's like being in thrivingto be as authentic as possible.
I was that also with the filmsthat I was making, you know,
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so it wasn't really, I wasn'tworking for the big industry.
I was, it was more art film and,you know, writing my own films.
and sharing mymessage in the film.
So being true in your authenticexpression, I think that
is something that alwayshas guided me or that what
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that I'm thriving to, to be.
And then I think along the way,it just changed for me how I
was able to do that becauseI, as a film director, to some
point I, I was, and I loved it.
And then it just, Um, youknow, and really feel like it,
it was more like my ancestorsbeing like, okay, actually
(09:45):
you have to do a few otherthings to sort of, um, moving
me into a different direction.
Hmm.
Love that.
Beautiful.
Another thing you mentionedin your, uh, what you wrote
to me before we jumpedon here was that you have
synesthesia, synesthesia,tell us a bit more about that.
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So probably most people maybehave heard about that or know
about that from, um, That alot of musicians have that,
or like famous composers,um, or painters or artists.
So it can show upin different ways.
So for me, my synesthesiahas always been that I see
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colors with, um, lettersand numbers, for example.
And also when hearing certainwords or smelling, like with
all my senses, it's connectedwith colors and images.
That has always been likethat, and also the, the color
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code is not something that Iconsciously shows it was always.
So, for example, yourname, you know, I'm just
using that as an example.
So the A in my color alphabethas always been yellow.
Like the sun and so that'sa very dominant color.
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And so I can't change that.
I can't decide.
I would like it to be blue.
So it's just how it shows up.
And so therefore it aligns withother colors or other letters.
For example, and yeah, so thecolors come with the names
with, I think it supports mein having a good memory, but
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also, of course, in the workthat I'm doing, making use of
my synesthetic gifts that wereobviously not supported, like in
my upbringing in Germany, therewasn't something that people
were aware of, or the schoolthat I attended, it was quite
the opposite, so when I startedwriting as a child, I was trying
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to use the, the right, likethe, the same color pen for
the letter that I had to write,you know, when you are in first
grade and you learn the alphabetand you have to write it down
like a hundred times the letterA, a hundred times the letter O.
And I was, you know, writing,my whole, um, book was, Written
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with, you know, every word hada different color because that's
how I saw it, or I still see it.
And then, of course, it waslike, well, you can't use that.
You have to use one pen.
You don't have time to, youknow, paint the letters.
So, of course, I had toadjust, you know, you learn
that then quite quickly.
And I also realized, oh,not everyone sees colors.
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I thought, you know,as a child, people.
See colors so that,you know, maybe your a
has a different color.
Everyone has a different color.
That's why peoplelike different colors.
But then I realized that noteveryone actually sees colors.
And works with colors,or they're not as
pleasant for them.
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I just find it so fascinatinghow different we can work, like
how different our minds work.
And yeah, like the sadnessof not having that expressed.
And as you say,using it as a gift.
I, yeah, I love that youreconnected with that and
really see it as a gift now.
Yes, I really do.
I feel I always embraced it,but I, you know, it took me,
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like, I also didn't grow up witha name or framework for that.
I remember I was probablyin a late, in my late teens
when I heard the firsttime that word synesthesia
and how that's connected.
And then I'm like, Oh, well,I have this, you know, it
wasn't like no one, none of theteachers are Knew what that was,
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you know, yeah, but recently, Iwould say in the last 10 years
through my work, I feel I'vebeen really able to develop
that more strongly on trustedand use that even for my work.
I also use and channeledit in my work as a film
director, you know, like.
Films have a certaintheme for color, like the
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cinematography I worked with,we worked really strongly
with the moods and colors, ofcourse, you know, it always
flowed into, into my work.
And now it's just differentlyconnected to how I, um,
connect to my intuitive gifts.
Love that.
Yeah.
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So when you talk about yourwork, do you see it as a
business or how do you see it?
Yes, I do see it asa sacred business.
Um, I would say with whatever Iearn money, that's my business.
And, you know, there's oftenthis, like, when you are a
healer or when you work inthe healing arts that, um.
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Yes, some people, you know,might not want to focus on
the business, but it's likeat the end, this is like,
this is what I'm sharing.
This is what I'm gettingan energy exchange.
And so, yeah, thisis my business.
And what do you feel isthe biggest challenge to
be a sensitive in business?
Probably the overwhelm, Ifeel so, you know, creating
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structure, maybe that worksfor one, you know, in a
good way, in a healthy way.
And I also feel that a lotof intuitive and sensitive
people, you know, we can gobecause we have get so much
information through our heads.
So like through our pineal andthe third eyes, we can be quite
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caught up in the head sometimes.
And I feel it's really importantto be able to ground yourself in
order to, to thrive in, in yourpractice and in your business.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's, you know, I feelvery, very grateful to be living
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in New Zealand and where weare like surrounded by nature.
And that's, you know, Ichoose that because I know
this is, it supports me.
Yeah.
At this point, I cannot imagine,you know, living again for
in Berlin, in the city beingsurrounded by so many people.
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Yeah.
Finding environments that workfor you and getting out into
nature as much as possible.
I do that regularly, even after,you know, when I have sessions,
especially for energetic work.
It's so important to go outand cleanse yourself, clear
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that energetic field and naturejust supports you with that.
So you just have to go out and,but really, you know, using that
scheduling that in, even if it'snecessary for people who are not
living in the bush as we, or,you know, you can go out into
the park or like, take a shower,but finding grounding exercises
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to, to really come back.
to yourself and also tobe able to share from a
place of groundedness.
Yeah, I love that.
And I, yeah, I can definitelyfeel a shift also from living
in the bush for a year now,moved from Hamilton here.
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It's really a shiftand so, so grounding.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you see asthe biggest strength as
a sensitive in business?
As I asked about thechallenges, I want to ask
about the strengths as well.
So I would say for myself,it is having that spiritual
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connection, bringing thatinto my business and letting
that guide is, I feel thatis the strength because it's
not, it doesn't come from thehealing out or from the mind.
It comes from somethingbigger or from a bigger
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source and connecting to that.
Um, and being ableto connect to that.
I feel that a lot of peopleand also a lot of business
people are lacking that,and they might, you know,
they're looking to find itor the, but you can't, you
can't find it with here.
You can't find it with pushingor powering through something.
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It's, it's not found in thefast pace world, usually.
So, for people who are verysensitive, once you find your
place, and once you accept.
Where you are with that,it becomes easier to be,
to be a conduit for whatwants to come through you.
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And yes, I would say thatis the strength for, that
I'm feeling in my businessand I imagine for others.
How do you balance thatfollowing what, what feels of
following the spirit and theneed to, to live in this world,
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to make money, to have a roofover your head and all that?
Yeah, I feel that becausewe're only in the spirit
world and the upper world,you know, then, of course, um,
people can get a little bitaloof, you know, that's why
I feel it's important to staygrounded and being able to.
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Get your food from outsideand also doing things
with the reverence.
Funny, while I'm justtalking, just outside my
window, there are two bullswho are fighting each other.
So, speaking about grounding,and just like, Wow.
Yeah, sorry, they justdistracted my view because
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they've been like going oneach other, just running
in the, in the field.
It's like, you know, in MahiWairoa, we always, um, we
talk about Orangi, whichis the sky of heaven, and
Papatūānuku, which is theearth, and it's about bringing
these two, like, together,and being balanced in both.
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If we're too strongly inone or the other, we can't
be really present here.
And I feel that it's a constantpractice, you know, it's
something what you do on a dailybasis, like how can you maintain
your spiritual practices, forexample, whatever that is to
you, plus then the Mundanethings like cooking a meal and
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preparing food, cleaning up,doing all of this and still
having time to expand into yourbusiness or like doing things
like social media or doingthings like a podcast, you know,
to, to find balance with that,it's a challenge and I feel it
can be, it's really my sense.
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It becomes more and morechallenging with the more we.
Here from the outsideworld, we more we engage
with what's around us.
You know, you can getbombarded and especially
for sensitive people.
You have to have a strongboundary and decide like not.
If you feel like you want to gooff social media for a week for
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some time, do that, you know,have boundaries with that don't
have to answer to messages.
If you're not feeling goodthat day, like, you know,
make yourself time and spacewhere fits what and you
can use the moon calendar.
You can use your, if you're awoman, your biological calendar
to what is good for you.
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And And work with thatgoing, coming away from this
patriarchal have to work fromMonday to Friday, and then
you stop and then you have nowChristmas break and then you
stop and then you push again.
It's like really coming backto what is nature telling
you and trying to liveby these principles feels
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super supportive for howwe can run our business.
I love that.
And you also talkabout ancestral trauma.
Tell us a bit moreabout that work.
Yeah.
So I'm an ancestral healingpractitioner through the
Ancestral Medicine Network.
Um, my teacher is Dr.
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Daniel Fore and I support peopleconnecting with their ancestors.
And so, you know, I'mcoming from Germany.
So I You know, it wasn'treally, I wasn't really
brought up with a frameworkfor ancestral reverence.
And I would say most people inthe Western culture are not, no.
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So I am married to an indigenousman and I lived in a lot of
different countries and engagedwith indigenous cultures.
So I've seen how itcan be different.
And that's also whyI'm passionate about
maintaining these paths.
Wisdom and this knowledge and soduring the last 10 years of my
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own journey and my own journeyof healing my ancestral traumas
that I wasn't really consciouslyaware of, but I always felt
that there were like, I couldalways feel that there were some
really big traumas within myancestral lineages coming from
Germany, having two world wars,things that were not talked
about, you know, it's from.
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You just inheritcultural ancestral trauma
if you want or not.
So, and then working with thaton an unconscious level really
started bringing massive healingfor me on a personal level.
And then of course, throughthat, I also wanted to share
that and feel there's a strongneed, you know, for people to,
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to realize that you can connectwith your ancestors and that.
The healing is possible, therepair work is possible, and
we just have to, you know, beshown how to and connect with
people who might hold thatreverence and And reclaim that.
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For me, it's really likereclaiming of old rites and
rituals that our people, everyone of our ancestors had.
And of course, if you come fromlike the Western world, it's
been buried for a long time,but it's still there and we
can connect to that knowledge.
And once we tap into that,it can really enliven that
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person's experience of whatthey have been, what they've
been going through at this time.
If it's illness, ifthat's depression, I've
seen really big changeshappening through that work.
And that's why I'm reallygrateful to be sharing it too.
So how do we know if it'ssomething with us or if it's
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some something behind, behindus, something deeper, something
older that needs to be healed?
Yeah, I would say probablymost people just have a sense.
So maybe if I've identified itthat this is yours, and then
it also, you know, can be,it can become yours because
it got passed down to you andyou just accepted it to be
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yours, or to be part of thatlineage, part of your story.
So if we're not connectedto our ancestors, or we
don't know what actually theburdens and the blessings of
the lineages are, then it'salso hard to differentiate
where it's coming from.
But it doesn't mean that youneed to know your ancestry.
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You need to know who died ofwhat it's something that you
can, it's an innate wisdomthat is held within ourselves.
You can connect to that.
So it's okay to have thatintellectual knowledge as
well, but it's somethingthat you feel in your bones.
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And it's also.
Like in the ancestral healing,we sometimes use that term
that we as the living, we,so we are here in this realm,
the ancestors or the dead,you know, you can see them
in another realm if you want.
And, but we are the livingface of our, and of our
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people, of our ancestors.
So, therefore, there is aconnection if we want to
or not, and then we can.
You know, if there's like,um, things that are affecting
you maybe on an, in a negativeway, most people know that
it's ancestral or that itcould be connected to it.
It's like an, an inner knowingwhere it could come from.
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Do you think that we are extraperceptive, uh, sensitive?
Absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
I also feel that, you know,most people Like, I always think
everyone is born sensitive,you know, and then they're
like, maybe different levelsof sensitivity that one has.
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And then, of course, how is thatnurtured during life and how are
you able to keep it and then youcan exercise that muscle of your
intuition and your sensitivityand live accordingly to it or
the total opposites, you know.
But I believe that everyonehas an innate ability
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to, to connect to that.
So if, if someone feelslike they do want to connect
to, they do want to healthat, where can they start?
So there's a lot of freematerial out there too, from
the Ancestral Medicine Network.
And then of course youcan book sessions with a
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practitioner, for example.
For to start really that work,I often say it's a bit like
imagine doing psychotherapy, butwith your ancestors, that's how
it felt for me in the beginning.
So it's not, um, it's not likea one time session and I'm
not coming and doing, and I'malso not doing the healing.
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I'm just holding that spacebecause me and my people hold
that space because the healingcomes from your ancestors.
Like, I don't have the powerto do anything there that's,
you know, the, the ones whothe elders have the power and
the wisdom and the strengthto send healing that way.
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So, all we can do as theliving, we act like a bridge
by us, like, connecting tothem and asking them for
guidance and asking them forprotection and for healing
that can get activated.
We are not doing it.
We're just the onesconnecting with the ones
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who have that power, butlike with bigger powers.
Another thing that you,you're passionate about and
talking about and that we canhear already is preserving
the indigenous knowledge.
So yeah, tell us abit more about that.
Yeah.
You know, maybe first of all,through my husband as well.
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So he is Samoan and then welived in South America and
I lived in really different,um, communities and saw
different indigenous cultures.
I feel very grateful for thatexperience and then now here
in Aotearoa, um, working withthe Tohunga and What that told
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me is, you know, I feel oftenas people who grew up in the
West, we, like we run aroundand we, that's how I felt when
I left, you know, so I thoughtI was, I thought I was okay.
I was quite happy as a filmdirector living in Berlin, but
I had like some kind of inkling.
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It was just the sensesomething was missing and
I did not know what it was.
I always thought, like,I always seen myself as a
spiritual person, probablynot in that way that I would
see myself now, you know, nowI have deep faith in spirit.
Back then, I didn't quite knowwhat it actually was or what
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the powers were I can connectto and support, be supported by.
And I feel most ofWesterners don't have that
connection because we'vebeen like cut off from that.
And so that's, we run aroundand we think something is off.
People have depression, allsorts of illnesses, all sorts
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of disconnection, disconnectedfrom the spirit world.
People like acknowledge thatthey have a body and a mind, but
spirit is like, maybe religion,but what is spirit, you know?
So there's, it's notreally an alignment.
And so that's howit felt for me too.
And then that reallychanged once I accepted
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spirit comes first.
And what does that mean?
And how, how does it,does that affect my life?
I would say that probably mostof the indigenous cultures,
they all have that same pillar.
They accept spirit as thepower that comes first.
And then the humancomes and then the mind
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and the body comes.
And I would say inWestern culture, it's
the other way around.
So sometimes there's alittle bit of spirit that
is accepted or you can have.
Some contact, but it's, it'snot the other way around and I
feel by, you know, my passionof preserving that it's just
what it did for me when Icould connect back to that
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innate sense and knowledgeand wisdom that my own people
held, of course, I feel deepreverence for the wisdom and
knowledge that the indigenouspeople hold and yeah, I feel
it's utterly important that we.
preserve that and honor it.
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And I feel also so many peoplefeel drawn to these teachings
because they know that they'vebeen missing something deep
inside, but they just don't,can't really word what it is.
Yeah, definitely.
It really resonates comingfrom Sweden, which is one
of the most non believingpeople on earth as well.
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I can really feel a sense ofloss and sadness around my own.
history and the loss ofconnection and knowledge around
that, but also like a fearor, yeah, a fear of stepping
into someone else's knowledge.
Um, so how do youunderstand what I mean?
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And, and what doyou say about that?
So do you mean fear of steppinginto someone else's knowledge?
Because I feel like myknowledge, Swedish Indigenous
knowledge is It's gone.
Um, because it's been solong ago and stepping into
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like, especially here in,in New Zealand, I can feel
a longing for stepping intomy own, my own lineage, uh,
because it's so present herewith the Maori and, and the
knowledge they have, but alsofear of stepping into there.
And, and cause it, it's, itdoesn't feel like it's mine
if you know what I mean.
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Yes.
I understand that.
And I feel that's why, you know,I would say for me, so my own
journey and my own connectionwith my ancestors has started
taking place while not evenbeing on my ancestral lands
and being away from Germany.
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In a funny way, I had tobe away from Germany from
probably the most recenttrauma or, you know, the
trauma that the recent death.
We're carrying was sostrong that it was affecting
me while I was there.
And so for me, it was easier.
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And the longing became strongerwhen I was away from Germany
that I could actually connectand heal what I wasn't able
to do while I was in Germany.
I don't say thatthat's for everyone.
That was my personal experience.
And.
My connection to my people, myancestors who are all Germanic,
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or most of them, is reallystrong now, and I feel because
of their support, because Iknow where I'm coming from,
I know who they are, I knowthey have my back, I know they
are guiding me, that's why,maybe relate in a different
way to, to the other ancestors.
(35:29):
But.
Because I know who mine are, andI feel that that is something,
you know, that people who arenot having that connection, and
they're missing something, andthen they might, you know, they
see Indigenous people being veryconnected, or maybe having that
strong connection, and they can,that can trigger, you know, a
(35:52):
fear, or also you know, Sadness,or you're just not knowing
actually how to change that.
And I feel from the work, Iknow that, you know, we, yes,
we might feel that thingsare lost or they've been like
buried for such a long time.
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It is possible to connectto that wisdom and to
that knowledge that yourancestors carried, even if
it's very long time ago.
And I know it from myselfand how that supported me in
also, you know, not feelingalone, feeling like, yes,
(36:35):
oh, I, I also have peoplearound me who want this for
me, who I can call on to.
And that is, you know,something where I feel, yeah,
we have to reclaim this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what I'm hearing also islike really reclaim and gaming
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back the knowledge from ourown lineage so that we can
explore with other indigenouspeople as well, but not filling
the void with, with others.
Yeah.
And also one important aspect.
I feel in the ancestralhealing, especially as being
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able to listen and, you know,because in that process, when
I guide people through thatprocess, it's, it's like a trans
meditation where you, you know,you enter a connective space
where you, where connectionis possible, you know, and so
it's important to listen towhat they actually have to say.
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And I feel if we're not able tolisten to our own ancestors, how
are we then able to listen to.
What the indigenous peoplehave to say, you know, how
are we able to preservewhat is still here.
If we're not able tolisten to our own people.
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Beautiful.
I feel like there's somuch more we could go into.
But if someone wants toknow more about you and
your work, where is thebest place to find you?
Yeah, so, um, Instagram is agood way to find me on Moon
Mirror Medicine, and thenmy website and the schedule
(38:24):
site for to connect with me.
I offer free connectioncalls for everyone who's
interested in my work.
So I offer ancestral healing,and Mahi Wairua support, and
also I read Akashic Records.
Beautiful.
So much yumminess there.
Thank you so muchfor being here.
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Is there anything else thatyou would like to say to those
sensitives that are listening?
It is really your strength tobe sensitive and to see, you
know, to, to be this sensitivebeing, even if it can be
so overwhelming sometimes.
If you're able tohonor your needs.
(39:06):
First, it is such a beautifulgift and your biggest strength
to be that sensitive and thenalso to share from that place.
It's, it's beautiful.
I love that.
Beautiful.
Thank you so, so much.
Thank you so much for beinghere and sharing your wisdom.
I love this conversationand thank you for the work
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that you do in the world.
It's so important.
Thank you, Frida.
Thank you so much for having me.
It was really greatto talk to you.
Thank you for listeningto Sensitive Success.
If you enjoyed this episode,please leave a review and
share it with someone who couldbenefit from this message.
And come over and connect withme on Instagram at FridaKarl.
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And remember, sensitivityis neither good or bad.
It's what we make of it.
Embrace your sensitivityand use it to create
sensitive success your way.
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