February 14, 2024 • 34 mins
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Today, we're excited to have Jo Peters, a highly sensitive person (HSP) and expert leader, join us. With extensive experience in top companies like Goodyear and PepsiCo, Jo brings invaluable insights to the table.
In this episode, Jo shares her journey of embracing sensitivity as a strength, not a weakness. She discusses common challenges faced by HSPs and highlights their unique strengths, including empathy and creativity.
Jo emphasizes the importance of redefining success on our terms and offers practical advice on thriving as an HSP. She encourages listeners to build supportive communities, honour their feelings, and embrace their sensitivity as a gift.
Join us as we explore the power of sensitivity and learn how to tap into our strengths.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
03:01 - Jo's life story as a highly sensitive person
06:33 - What success meant before and now
09:12 - What's the biggest challenge for sensitives in business
11:41 - How high sensation seeking impacts business and life
13:35 - What's the one thing that triggers depression...
14:29 - How being highly sensation-seeking plays a great role in life
19:01 - How to use sensitivity as a superpower
22:42 - How can we have it all without doing it all
28:18 - Business advice from Jo Peters
34:32 - Outro
Know more about Jo's work at:
www.jounicorncoach.com
Connect on her social media account:
Instagram: @jounicorncoach
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The new research are showingthat highly sensitive people
are only 20 percent ofthe population in average.
That means that weare the uniques.
We are always thinkingabout the unicorn, the
people that is unique.
If you talk about only 20percent of us have that, that
means that we are special.
And part of that is specialis that yes, we need to,
everything that we said before,learn to handle it, but that
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highly sensitivity allowsto be more empathic, have
amazing problem solving skills.
Because we are able to seethings not only from our
way, but from a lot of otherperspectives and views.
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Welcome to the SensitiveSuccess Podcast, where we
explore the unique challengesand opportunities that
comes with being a sensitivechangemaker in today's world.
I'm your host, Frida Kahlbo,and I have spent the last
decade recreating my life.
I moved from Sweden to NewZealand and now live in the
beautiful bush with my husbandand two kids, homeschooling and
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creating a life and businessthat works for me with the
help of my sensitivity andsupport others to do the same.
I'm excited to shareconversations with experts.
Thought leaders and fellowsensitive people who also
see the world throughthe lens of sensitivity.
Thank you so much for beinghere, because it means that
you are creating sensitivesuccess too, which is
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precisely what the world needs.
Let's get started.
Welcome back to the SensitiveSuccess Podcast, and today
we say a special welcometo our guest, Joe Peters.
Hi.
Thank you so much forhaving me here, Freda.
Yeah, I'm so excitedto have you here.
And Jo is a highly sensitiveperson and a high sensation
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seeker, just like me.
She is an experienced andpassionate leader, speaker,
coach, transformationaltrainer, mom, wife, and friend.
Not to mention a bestselling author of two
books in seven countries.
She enjoys helping womento discover how to have it
all without doing it all.
Sounds good, right?
Joe has over 17 years ofexperience working with
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Fortune 100 companies likeGoodyear and PepsiCo and
leading personal developmentcompanies like Mindvalley.
She has coached and trainedover 15, 000 people on
four continents and inmore than 25 countries.
Welcome Joe!Thank you for having me here
and as we were talking in thebackstage, I'm super excited
because what you are doingin the world is so needed.
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We need to normalize the conceptof highly sensitive people
and highly sensitive to sugarpeople, uh, because that is
how we are going to go fromfeeling that something is wrong
with us into knowing that thatis part of our superpower.
So thank you for having me hereand for all the work that you
do every week with your podcast.
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Thank you so much.
And yeah, the same to you.
I'm really excited to haveyou here to talk about this.
Uh, so tell us a bit moreabout your journey and how
you come to do what you do.
Okay.
So, um, as a highly sensitiveperson, I start my journey
with trying to be The perfectdaughter and the perfect friend
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and the perfect everything.
I finished my careerin engineering and my
master in strategy.
Took me into working forGoodyear and then PepsiCo
in the manufacturing world.
And all of that, ifyou see it, is very not
highly sensitive person.
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So I face all of the thingsabout, like, getting triggered
and having tears in my eyes,but then learning how to
fight it because If you cry,then, then everybody's not
going to take you seriousbecause you are crying at work
and then you are not toughenough to handle the demands.
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So for many years, Iwent and that is why I
call the unicorn coach.
I really forgot aboutmy own magic and I start
behaving like a horse tryingto feed into that world.
Because, uh, one of the thingsthat I learned later on is.
highly sensitive peopleare only like 20 percent
of the population.
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So we are literally unicornsis really, really rare.
But then instead of using it,seeing it as a strength and a
superpower, I was ashamed of it.
And I was trying to fight it andfix myself and get tougher and
figure out a way to just, uh,Be normal like everybody else.
Why I need to be so easyto cry or to be triggered,
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or how I can feel allof these things so hard.
And I spent almost mytwenties in that journey.
And then in 2019, I went intothat transformation in to say,
no, I'm not a freaking horse.
I am a magical unicorn.
And was that journeyof remembering that
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porn that I had.
And then I am the unicorn coachnow, because now that I remember
the herd, my job is goingaround and helping those horses
to remember that they are nothorses, that they are freaking
unicorns and embracing that.
So I quit Pepsi and I did avery scary movement from a
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quarter million dollar householdto in the first year in my
business, it was like 3, 000.
But it was about I cannotkeep sacrificing who I am and
my magic and keep that fightbecause it was exhausting
and I think that every highlysensitive person will agree with
me that it's freaking exhaustingto try to be somebody that
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we are not and fight with Oursensitivity and our emotions.
So since 2019, I dedicatedmyself into just doing it my
way, creating my own rules,creating my own game and start
helping, especially workingmoms and females into embracing
their uniqueness and theirpersonality and their archetypes
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to actually being able tohave it all without having
to do it all, that will endin the same cycle of burnout.
That is where thejourney became.
I love that.
I love the analogy withthe horse and the unicorn.
I tell my husband I'm nota working horse, so now
I can say I'm a unicorn.
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Definitely tune into our magic.
Love that.
So what is success to you now?
Well, that is a fascinatingquestion because that is
one of the questions thatI fight the most with.
And I fight the most withbecause the majority of the
Education and literatureand information that we
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have about success havetwo gaps in my opinion.
And that is vast majority isreading by men for men, but then
the other one is, is reading forjust two or three of the eight
personality traits that exist.
And one of the things that Ihave true belief is that success
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is a very personal journey.
What means success for youmeans success is completely
different than me, evenin your own life journey.
What it was success for mewhen I was in my 20s and
single and traveling the worldand partying, success back
then was completely differentthan what success for me
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means now that I'm a momof a toddler and a wife and
I'm running my own business.
No success for me means that youbalance the areas of your life.
Mainly your health, yourrelationships and your
finances to a place thatgive you a sense of.
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Peace, calm, joy, and happinessis success is that place where
you woke up every morningand again, it's not, it's
not all pink and rainbows.
It's not that you woke up thatsomebody, some people say, Oh,
you woke up happy every day.
I call that bullshit.
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No, you don't wake up happyevery day and you don't go to
bed every day happy, especiallywhen you have kids and they
are in a sleep regression orthey are sick or they were
suspended from school, nothappening, but it's not that you
are happy all day, every day.
But when you make yourcheck on balances.
The majority of the time, you'rein a state of joy and, as Mr.
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Hicks called it,satisfaction with your life.
That you feel fulfilledand satisfied.
And that is success for me.
And why I say it like that?
Because to get to that.
End result is going to lookdifferent for you and me and
Carol and Stephanie and Peterand Matt, because depends
on our lifestyle, where weare in our life journey,
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what are our personal goals?
So that is success for me.
I love that.
Love, love, love that you've hadyour business now for a while.
And what do you see as thebiggest challenge for a
sensitive for you in business?
The two main onesfor me are being.
The first one don't takebusiness personal and I think
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that is very similar to whenyou are when I was in corporate
working for a business.
And that is as a highlysensitive person.
How I start to explain it is.
Our energy field is completelyopen all the time, so
it's very easy for us tonot only absorb our own
feelings and our own things,but the people around us.
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And because of that, we feel thehighs higher and the lows lower.
So part of the business, andespecially when you are running
a business, is that you havehighs and you have lows.
The most difficult oneis remember that the lows
are not as low as I amfeeling them because I'm
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a highly sensitive person.
So when I'm in the lowsand I'm like, Oh, this
is the end of the world.
And this is not going to work.
And I need to go backto corporate is getting
that mindfulness.
I was like, no, I am ahighly sensitive person.
So this is actually notas strong and as painful
as I am feeling it.
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I am feeling it in thatintensity because of my
superpower that is beinghighly sensitive and being
very aware and very opento sensations and feelings.
Um, and then the other one isputting healthy boundaries,
especially around customers,because as a highly sensitive
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person and highly sensitivepeople are all is, is very.
difficult for me as ahighly sensitive person
knowing or feeling thatI let down somebody.
And because of that, sometimesIt's challenging to say no or
say, Hey, this is my boundarybecause I don't want to
feel that feeling that pain.
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Uh, 1 of the things forme as a highly sensitive
person is, and I'm a highlysensitive person and an empath.
So it's very easy for me tofeel the disappointment and the
frustration of the other person.
And when I know thatthat is because 1 of my
healthy boundaries, the1st couple of years was
very challenging for me tolearn to handle that and to.
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Not taking it personal and stillwalk my talk into, I have to put
my max, my oxygen mask first andevery no, every yes required a
no and in balancing all thoseballs in the air to be able to
show up in the best personalway so that I could help you.
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My client is in the bestpossible possible way to so
important points and you'realso a high sensation seeker.
So we talk a lot aboutsensitivity on in this podcast,
but high sensation seeking, wehaven't talked about that much.
How do you feel thatthat is playing into your
business or your life?
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It was a game changer whenI found the highly sensitive
person description and thenI start exploring the sugar,
you make a complete, complete.
Change in my life becauseas a highly sensitive person
that I was telling you, Ifeel the highs and the lows
stronger than people that arenot highly sensitive person,
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stronger than 80 percent ofthe population in average.
What that means is that thereaction that I had to sugar is
higher and lower than normal.
So I struggled with depressionsince I was 14 years old.
Depression and suicidal thoughtsand a little bit of a story.
When I was 14, I was gone.
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I was talking to thepsychiatrist and the
psychiatrist prescribed somemedicine and my parents that,
of course, as many of us in ourgeneration, our parents have
a different way of parenting.
They choose to not give me themedicine that now as an adult, I
understand why, but they didn'ttake the time to explain me why.
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So as a 14 year oldteenager, for me, it was
like, Oh, they don't wantto give me the medicine.
They're ashamed of the medicine.
That means that it's up to meto figure it out by myself.
And since the age of 14 untilI was almost 30, I fight with
my depression alone, by myself.
And when I start understandingthe highly sensitive person
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and the highly sensitivityto sugar, I realized that
my depression was triggeredand magnified by sugar.
And I literally startbeing able to switch those
episodes of depression andsuicidal thoughts with some
of those refined sugars.
And then I startstudying and say, okay.
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All sugar is not the same.
We have natural sugars infruit, root veggies, and we
have refined sugars that are150 200 times more sweet.
And when I link that toa highly sensitive person
feels the high is higher andthe low is low, I'm like,
well, if this is 150 and I'ma highly sensitive person,
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I'm going to feel it as 300.
And that make a huge changeinto stabilizing my mood, the
way that I take emotions andbalancing my highly sensitive
personality because now thatI didn't have that additional
input that was taking things outof the whack exponentially, then
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I was able to be more aware ofthe high highs and the low lows
without that double extreme.
And that was like, I willtell you the first couple of
years in my marriage, in myrelationship with my husband,
I used to hate him becausewe will go into a restaurant
and he will be like, he willliterally will escape, uh,
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dessert to have extra broccolior to have more potatoes.
I will don't finish mydinner, so I will have a
space for dessert and justinstead of the society part
of you should, you should nothaving that connection on how
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highly sensitive people tendto have a high sensitivity
to sugar make me feel veryempowered in my decisions,
in my health, in my wellness,and see how that impact my
emotions and my wellbeing aswell mentally and emotionally.
Um, yeah, that's interesting.
Definitely.
It is so interesting how,how we can be so sensitive
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to, to different thingsand different nuances.
Everyone, like, even though weare highly sensitive persons,
we, we're so different as well.
So yeah, thank youfor sharing that.
And how do you feel that yourhigh sensation seeking is
playing into to your life?
It's been a journey to, likeI was saying before, to Learn
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to accept and love myselfcompletely and don't try
to fix and then being awarethat It's not that there is
something wrong with me issomething that I'm just special
and then it's different soin my case, for example, I am
very very sensitive to noiseand to Lights, so things like
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going to the grocery store Isreally overstimulating for me
to the point that two or threeyears ago, we switch when I
was, I was pregnant in COVID.
So it was, I had a babyCOVID, a COVID baby.
And because of that, wechoose that I was not
going to the grocerystores to reduce the risk.
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And it was amazing to me tosee the difference in my.
In my week, when I was notexposed to all the lights
and all the noise in thegrocery store, I talk with
my husband and that is, forexample, one of the things
that I don't do anymore.
My husband is in chargeof the groceries because
it's very stimulating.
I remember the first time thatI went to Disney, in 2008,
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and remembering that I hadto, every couple of hours,
just go to a corner and closemy eyes and my ears because
the over stimulation was big.
And why that is important hasbeen impacting my life because
if we as highly sensitive peopledon't learn those triggers,
like you were saying, each ofus had different sensitivities
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to noise, to light, to textures.
Um, to sugar, if we don't knowthat we get overstimulated,
overstimulated, overstimulated.
And that is where we explodein an emotional way because
we just can't handle anymore.
That if we are proactiveand we start saying, Oh, I
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am very sensitive to this.
I am very sensitive to this.
Then we start showingourselves grace and love
and start not exposingourselves to things that hurt.
It's almost like.
Like, if I know that fireburn, I'm not going to
put my finger in the fire.
And the first time thatI get burned, you're
like, Oh, maybe next timeit's not going to burn.
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No, every single timeit's going to burn.
And it's part of us to havingthat grace and that self love
to say, this doesn't mean thatI'm less than anybody else
or less worth it than I'm at.
It just means that my brain.
work different with theseinputs, and it's part of my self
care to protect my brain to beexposed to these situations.
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I love that.
My husband is also incharge of the grocery
shopping, or I do it online.
Definitely not something thatI want to waste my energy on.
So when I asked you whatyou wanted to talk about,
and you said using highlysensitive power as our
superpower and embrace ourstrengths, tell us more.
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Well, one of the thingsthat I want everybody
that is listening to us.
To take away from this isthat a statistic that the
new research are showingthat highly sensitive people
are only 20 percent ofthe population in average.
That means that we arethe unique, we are always
thinking about the unicorn,the people that is unique.
If you talk about only 20percent of us have that, that
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means that we are special.
And part of that specialis that, yes, we need to,
everything that we saidbefore, learn to handle it,
but that highly sensitivityallows to be more empathic,
have amazing problem solvingskills, because we are able
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to see things not only fromour way, but from A lot of
other perspectives and views.
And then also to be absolutelycreative and being able to
do things like, like coachingand teaching and mentoring and
taking decisions in a boardof directors in a more win
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win situation, because Thathighly sensitive situation
allows to always be awareof not only ourselves,
but the impact around.
And when we start seeing thatinstead of a weakness, because
I hate doing that, because thenI always cry or I get upset.
Then we start saying, wow,if I'm able to do that,
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how much more good I couldbring to my community.
To my work, to my business,to my family, being that,
that nucleus that keep thebalance and make what for
us is so natural, easy forothers, because that is the
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other gap that the thingsthat are very easy for us,
we give them for granted.
Like literally being able tobalance those emotions and being
aware of how others are feelingand find a neutral place.
You are like, duh, yeah,like, I do that since I'm
seven years old, like.
Yeah.
Nothing good.
But when you start thinkingthat 80 percent of the people
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don't have that, then youstart seeing that different.
When we are talking about80 percent is that for every
five people that you know,four of them are not going to
be highly sensitive people.
So you're in a room withfive other people that mean
that those other four peopleare going to struggle to
do that, that we do withour, with our eyes closed.
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And that help us to get intoa position of leadership.
Servant leadership in a positionof leadership where we are
taking people with us, wherewe are co elevating doesn't
matter if we are is our childrenin our family or our business
or we are an employee in acorporation, then we start
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harvesting that that for someof us like me for years was.
The weakness and the part thatwe are ashamed of, and then
we start actually harvestingthat to help us to get better
on what we are and what wedo, but even more important
for highly sensitive peoplethat is in communities to do
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better for the common good,for community, for the world.
I love that.
Yes, definitely.
It's such a superpower when weallow it and when we embrace
it and see that it actuallyis something that we can use
and that we are, as you say,the unique, unique gifts
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that not many people have,but we take it for granted.
So now I think everyone iswondering, how can we have
it all without doing it all?
Tell us a bit more about that.
So, talking a little bitabout success because having
it all into success is I,the first thing that I will
invite everybody to say isstop buying the advertising
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of what having it all isbecause media, society, the
gurus, the teachers, theyare all telling you this is
what having it all means.
This is what having it all is.
That is what havingit all is for them.
And that doesn't haveto be what is for you.
That is what start becomingthat, that chasing that we are
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like, Oh, I'm working for that.
And what happened is sometimesyou get it and you're like,
what is wrong with me?
I don't feel thatsatisfaction, that joy.
Yeah, because that doesn'tmean having it all for you.
So the first thing is that eachof us need to be very clear into
what having it all means to us.
Particularly, not what isfor my partner, not what is
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for my friend, not what isfor Instagram, for me, in
those specific areas, whathaving it all means in my
health, my body, what itmeans in my finances, what
it means in my relationships.
I will tell you, uh, anexperiment that I did a few
months ago that was mind blowingwas, I asked in a survey,
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what having it all means.
And goes into that root ofus, uh, of space, especially
females, some males do,but especially females
don't feeling comfortableinto asking for ourselves.
So I did that survey and alot of the answers were hell
for my children, world peace,Ukraine war stopping, and all
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of these are beautiful things.
But then my question was,so if you are a point
that you are asking andwanting things for others.
Will that mean that you areat the level of satisfaction
that you are completelysatisfied with your life?
The answer always was no, butwe are just braining to is
not I'm not as important Ineed to ask for others if I am
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asking for myself, I'm selfish.
We need to be selfless So howwe do having it all is being
unapologetically Into be clearinto what having it all means to
me What financial freedom meansto me, what a good relationship
means to me unapologetically.
And then when I havethat, understand that I
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don't have to do it all.
That because that is the otherthing of no pain, no game.
Like it has to be really hard.
And I need to work really hard.
I need to work reallymuch, a lot of time.
Um, and I need to do it all.
So, so I'm worthyof achieving it.
And that's just a lie.
That's a lie that we need tostart understanding, like, no,
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as more you stop doing it alland start actually relying on
others and delegating and makinga priority, then you're going to
have more room to receive more,because it's almost, I, the best
example that I have with havingit all without doing it all is.
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Inhale and exhale.
So if I'm doing itall, I'm inhaling.
What happens if the onlything that you do is inhale?
You will die!You literally will die,
like it's not possible.
There is a point that yourbrain is going to overpower
your desire and it'sgoing to make you exhale.
And what happens if youexhale all the time?
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And just give?
So it's part of having itall is doing that dance of
inhaling, doing, and exhaling.
Receiving and then allowingthat to be a path and to do
that, you say, how we startdoing it, that we start healing
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our perfectionism, we starthealing that good girl syndrome,
that good boy syndrome, thatsyndrome that majority of
us get since we were little,where we need to do perfect,
we need to get the praise, weneed to get the reward because,
because of that, then um, um,We are afraid to ask for help.
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We are afraid toto work in a team.
We are afraid of collaboratebecause it's always been about
me, about me showing up, aboutme being deserving of the good
grace or the qualificationof the recognition.
And instead of that,especially for.
Highly sensitive people isremembering that we are a
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community entity, and that ishow we can have it all without
doing it all getting intothat energy of collective.
And then having, because whenI have clear what having it
all means to you, to me, andyou have what having it all
means to you, and they aredifferent is absolutely amazing.
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Support each other becauseI'm going to support you
in things that are not mypriority, but are for you.
And I'm going to bethere for you there.
And you are going to be therefor me to support me on some
blind spots that I have.
And that is where the matrixis start clicking and then
the ball is start creatingsome momentum from the
individual into the collective.
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Love that.
Yes.
So, so important what you'retalking about as well.
And.
It's listening and they feelthis and they want to start
living a life that is morealigned or start the business.
What would yourecommend them to do?
Get a support team, get a tribe.
And as a highly sensitiveperson, please, please filter
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your tribe, filter yourcoaches, filter the podcast
that you're hearing like Frida.
And make sure that theyare people that if they are
not, ideally, they will behighly sensitive people too.
But if they are not, at leastthey have experience and
study highly sensitive people.
Because if not, you aregoing to feel all the time
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that you are doing two stepsforward, one step back.
Because as a highly sensitiveperson, you are going to try
to start your business orstart working on this with a
recipe that don't work for youas a highly sensitive person.
So that is the first one, howto support team, a community,
and in the possible try tohear podcasts like Frida that
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are from highly sensitivepeople, work with coaches that
are highly sensitive peopleor are familiar with it.
So you can.
Stop fighting that youruniqueness and instead
start learning how youare going to use that to
maximize that learning curve.
And then, um, the, thesecond one on what you can
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do is honor your feelings.
I think that that is oneof the most breaking ground
things that every highlysensitive person can do and is
stop labeling your feelings.
The good feelings and the badfeelings, because They are not
good feelings or bad feelings.
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If you're hearing this, Iwill invite you to spend
two hours next weekend onwatching Inside Out, the
Disney movie Inside Out.
To ground this conceptthat I'm telling you
that is not good or bad.
So because we are highlysensitive, we feel the emotions
a lot longer, a lot stronger.
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So it's about, you know,labeling what are the good
emotions or bad, but allowingyourself to feel them all.
And this is somethingthat is very scary for
highly sensitive people.
And knowing thatcreate a lot of relief.
Some latest research are showingthat if you don't fight the
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feeling or the emotion, youwill not stay in your body
for more than 120 seconds.
That is only two minutes.
And that is a relief for allhighly sensitive people because
we are so overstimulated thatwe're like, Oh my God, I'm
going to be crying for theentire night or I'm going to
be upset for the entire night.
But when we start, stopfighting the feelings
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and we are like, Oh.
All the feelings are there as amessage, to give me a message.
So, first, I'm not labeling.
These are good ones, so Iwant to feel more of these.
These are bad ones, I don'twant to feel these ones.
But instead, I'm just like,no matter what it is, I'm
going to allow it to feel.
And I have the certainty thatit's not going to last more
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than two minutes in my body.
That I think that will be thetwo things that will create
the biggest breakthroughin the journey of embracing
our highly sensitivity.
To use it as our superpower.
Mm.
Love that.
Thank you so muchfor sharing that.
You also have a free resource.
Could you tell us abit more about that?
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Yes, absolutely.
I was telling you beforeabout how the perfection is
and the good syndrome is.
So I have a ebook that hadfive things that we can do
in this journey of healingon that perfectionism,
that good girl syndrome,that good boy syndrome.
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And what to do instead, becauseone of the things that I found
in the past was there is alot of literature about what,
what you should stop doing.
So stop doing this and thisand this to change your life.
But how the brain works is,yeah, I can stop doing that
and leave an empty space.
But if I don't put something newin that empty space, then your
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brain is going to be, oh, thereis empty space there and it's
going to bring back the habit.
So it's not only what youare going to stop doing, but
also what you're going to putnew instead to start healing
that perfectionist that isgoing to allow us to go into
that curve of being able toarticulate what we want and
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then start using that magic thatwe have about our sensitivity
for ourselves and the peoplearound us to create the biggest
impact in our lives and onthe people that we love.
Wonderful.
And that sounds amazing.
And we'll put the link inthe show notes as well.
So people can goand download that.
Is there anything else thatyou would like to say to the
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sensitives that are listening?
I will say take 2024 as theyear that you stop hiding
that you are sensitive.
Stop hiding.
Stop fighting your sensitivity.
Start embracing it as the gift.
That it is start feeling everymorning freaking amazing look
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in the mirrors and like there isonly 20 freaking percent of the
humanity that had these that Ihave how freaking amazing that
is so you don't spend a lot ofenergy trying to hide, trying
to overcome, trying to fix that.
There is nothingthat you need to fix.
You are perfectexactly like you are.
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Actually, you are agift to the world.
You are the 20 percent ofthe world that is a gift to
help us to find that balance.
Love that.
Yes.
Yes.
Listen to that.
Let's all do that.
Thank you so, so much, Joe,for being here and sharing your
wisdom with us and also for thework that you do in the world.
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It's so important.
Thank you so much for havingme and thank you for doing
the work that you are doingto on changing the world.
Thank you.
Thank you for listeningto Sensitive Success.
If you enjoyed this episode,please leave a review and
share it with someone who couldbenefit from this message and
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come over and connect with meon Instagram at Frida Karpo.
And remember, sensitivityis neither good or bad.
It's what we make of it.
Embrace your sensitivityand use it to create
sensitive success your way.
The new research are showingthat highly sensitive people
are only 20 percent ofthe population in average.
That means that weare the uniques.
We are always thinkingabout the unicorn, the
people that is unique.
If you talk about only 20percent of us have that, that
means that we are special.
And part of that is specialis that yes, we need to,
everything that we said before,learn to handle it, but that
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highly sensitivity allowsto be more empathic, have
amazing problem solving skills.
Because we are able to seethings not only from our
way, but from a lot of otherperspectives and views.
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Welcome to the SensitiveSuccess Podcast, where we
explore the unique challengesand opportunities that
comes with being a sensitivechangemaker in today's world.
I'm your host, Frida Kahlbo,and I have spent the last
decade recreating my life.
I moved from Sweden to NewZealand and now live in the
beautiful bush with my husbandand two kids, homeschooling and
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creating a life and businessthat works for me with the
help of my sensitivity andsupport others to do the same.
I'm excited to shareconversations with experts.
Thought leaders and fellowsensitive people who also
see the world throughthe lens of sensitivity.
Thank you so much for beinghere, because it means that
you are creating sensitivesuccess too, which is
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precisely what the world needs.
Let's get started.
Welcome back to the SensitiveSuccess Podcast, and today
we say a special welcometo our guest, Joe Peters.
Hi.
Thank you so much forhaving me here, Freda.
Yeah, I'm so excitedto have you here.
And Jo is a highly sensitiveperson and a high sensation
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seeker, just like me.
She is an experienced andpassionate leader, speaker,
coach, transformationaltrainer, mom, wife, and friend.
Not to mention a bestselling author of two
books in seven countries.
She enjoys helping womento discover how to have it
all without doing it all.
Sounds good, right?
Joe has over 17 years ofexperience working with
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Fortune 100 companies likeGoodyear and PepsiCo and
leading personal developmentcompanies like Mindvalley.
She has coached and trainedover 15, 000 people on
four continents and inmore than 25 countries.
Welcome Joe!Thank you for having me here
and as we were talking in thebackstage, I'm super excited
because what you are doingin the world is so needed.
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We need to normalize the conceptof highly sensitive people
and highly sensitive to sugarpeople, uh, because that is
how we are going to go fromfeeling that something is wrong
with us into knowing that thatis part of our superpower.
So thank you for having me hereand for all the work that you
do every week with your podcast.
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Thank you so much.
And yeah, the same to you.
I'm really excited to haveyou here to talk about this.
Uh, so tell us a bit moreabout your journey and how
you come to do what you do.
Okay.
So, um, as a highly sensitiveperson, I start my journey
with trying to be The perfectdaughter and the perfect friend
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and the perfect everything.
I finished my careerin engineering and my
master in strategy.
Took me into working forGoodyear and then PepsiCo
in the manufacturing world.
And all of that, ifyou see it, is very not
highly sensitive person.
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So I face all of the thingsabout, like, getting triggered
and having tears in my eyes,but then learning how to
fight it because If you cry,then, then everybody's not
going to take you seriousbecause you are crying at work
and then you are not toughenough to handle the demands.
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So for many years, Iwent and that is why I
call the unicorn coach.
I really forgot aboutmy own magic and I start
behaving like a horse tryingto feed into that world.
Because, uh, one of the thingsthat I learned later on is.
highly sensitive peopleare only like 20 percent
of the population.
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So we are literally unicornsis really, really rare.
But then instead of using it,seeing it as a strength and a
superpower, I was ashamed of it.
And I was trying to fight it andfix myself and get tougher and
figure out a way to just, uh,Be normal like everybody else.
Why I need to be so easyto cry or to be triggered,
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or how I can feel allof these things so hard.
And I spent almost mytwenties in that journey.
And then in 2019, I went intothat transformation in to say,
no, I'm not a freaking horse.
I am a magical unicorn.
And was that journeyof remembering that
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porn that I had.
And then I am the unicorn coachnow, because now that I remember
the herd, my job is goingaround and helping those horses
to remember that they are nothorses, that they are freaking
unicorns and embracing that.
So I quit Pepsi and I did avery scary movement from a
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quarter million dollar householdto in the first year in my
business, it was like 3, 000.
But it was about I cannotkeep sacrificing who I am and
my magic and keep that fightbecause it was exhausting
and I think that every highlysensitive person will agree with
me that it's freaking exhaustingto try to be somebody that
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we are not and fight with Oursensitivity and our emotions.
So since 2019, I dedicatedmyself into just doing it my
way, creating my own rules,creating my own game and start
helping, especially workingmoms and females into embracing
their uniqueness and theirpersonality and their archetypes
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to actually being able tohave it all without having
to do it all, that will endin the same cycle of burnout.
That is where thejourney became.
I love that.
I love the analogy withthe horse and the unicorn.
I tell my husband I'm nota working horse, so now
I can say I'm a unicorn.
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Definitely tune into our magic.
Love that.
So what is success to you now?
Well, that is a fascinatingquestion because that is
one of the questions thatI fight the most with.
And I fight the most withbecause the majority of the
Education and literatureand information that we
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have about success havetwo gaps in my opinion.
And that is vast majority isreading by men for men, but then
the other one is, is reading forjust two or three of the eight
personality traits that exist.
And one of the things that Ihave true belief is that success
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is a very personal journey.
What means success for youmeans success is completely
different than me, evenin your own life journey.
What it was success for mewhen I was in my 20s and
single and traveling the worldand partying, success back
then was completely differentthan what success for me
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means now that I'm a momof a toddler and a wife and
I'm running my own business.
No success for me means that youbalance the areas of your life.
Mainly your health, yourrelationships and your
finances to a place thatgive you a sense of.
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Peace, calm, joy, and happinessis success is that place where
you woke up every morningand again, it's not, it's
not all pink and rainbows.
It's not that you woke up thatsomebody, some people say, Oh,
you woke up happy every day.
I call that bullshit.
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No, you don't wake up happyevery day and you don't go to
bed every day happy, especiallywhen you have kids and they
are in a sleep regression orthey are sick or they were
suspended from school, nothappening, but it's not that you
are happy all day, every day.
But when you make yourcheck on balances.
The majority of the time, you'rein a state of joy and, as Mr.
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Hicks called it,satisfaction with your life.
That you feel fulfilledand satisfied.
And that is success for me.
And why I say it like that?
Because to get to that.
End result is going to lookdifferent for you and me and
Carol and Stephanie and Peterand Matt, because depends
on our lifestyle, where weare in our life journey,
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what are our personal goals?
So that is success for me.
I love that.
Love, love, love that you've hadyour business now for a while.
And what do you see as thebiggest challenge for a
sensitive for you in business?
The two main onesfor me are being.
The first one don't takebusiness personal and I think
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that is very similar to whenyou are when I was in corporate
working for a business.
And that is as a highlysensitive person.
How I start to explain it is.
Our energy field is completelyopen all the time, so
it's very easy for us tonot only absorb our own
feelings and our own things,but the people around us.
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And because of that, we feel thehighs higher and the lows lower.
So part of the business, andespecially when you are running
a business, is that you havehighs and you have lows.
The most difficult oneis remember that the lows
are not as low as I amfeeling them because I'm
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a highly sensitive person.
So when I'm in the lowsand I'm like, Oh, this
is the end of the world.
And this is not going to work.
And I need to go backto corporate is getting
that mindfulness.
I was like, no, I am ahighly sensitive person.
So this is actually notas strong and as painful
as I am feeling it.
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I am feeling it in thatintensity because of my
superpower that is beinghighly sensitive and being
very aware and very opento sensations and feelings.
Um, and then the other one isputting healthy boundaries,
especially around customers,because as a highly sensitive
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person and highly sensitivepeople are all is, is very.
difficult for me as ahighly sensitive person
knowing or feeling thatI let down somebody.
And because of that, sometimesIt's challenging to say no or
say, Hey, this is my boundarybecause I don't want to
feel that feeling that pain.
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Uh, 1 of the things forme as a highly sensitive
person is, and I'm a highlysensitive person and an empath.
So it's very easy for me tofeel the disappointment and the
frustration of the other person.
And when I know thatthat is because 1 of my
healthy boundaries, the1st couple of years was
very challenging for me tolearn to handle that and to.
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Not taking it personal and stillwalk my talk into, I have to put
my max, my oxygen mask first andevery no, every yes required a
no and in balancing all thoseballs in the air to be able to
show up in the best personalway so that I could help you.
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My client is in the bestpossible possible way to so
important points and you'realso a high sensation seeker.
So we talk a lot aboutsensitivity on in this podcast,
but high sensation seeking, wehaven't talked about that much.
How do you feel thatthat is playing into your
business or your life?
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It was a game changer whenI found the highly sensitive
person description and thenI start exploring the sugar,
you make a complete, complete.
Change in my life becauseas a highly sensitive person
that I was telling you, Ifeel the highs and the lows
stronger than people that arenot highly sensitive person,
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stronger than 80 percent ofthe population in average.
What that means is that thereaction that I had to sugar is
higher and lower than normal.
So I struggled with depressionsince I was 14 years old.
Depression and suicidal thoughtsand a little bit of a story.
When I was 14, I was gone.
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I was talking to thepsychiatrist and the
psychiatrist prescribed somemedicine and my parents that,
of course, as many of us in ourgeneration, our parents have
a different way of parenting.
They choose to not give me themedicine that now as an adult, I
understand why, but they didn'ttake the time to explain me why.
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So as a 14 year oldteenager, for me, it was
like, Oh, they don't wantto give me the medicine.
They're ashamed of the medicine.
That means that it's up to meto figure it out by myself.
And since the age of 14 untilI was almost 30, I fight with
my depression alone, by myself.
And when I start understandingthe highly sensitive person
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and the highly sensitivityto sugar, I realized that
my depression was triggeredand magnified by sugar.
And I literally startbeing able to switch those
episodes of depression andsuicidal thoughts with some
of those refined sugars.
And then I startstudying and say, okay.
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All sugar is not the same.
We have natural sugars infruit, root veggies, and we
have refined sugars that are150 200 times more sweet.
And when I link that toa highly sensitive person
feels the high is higher andthe low is low, I'm like,
well, if this is 150 and I'ma highly sensitive person,
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I'm going to feel it as 300.
And that make a huge changeinto stabilizing my mood, the
way that I take emotions andbalancing my highly sensitive
personality because now thatI didn't have that additional
input that was taking things outof the whack exponentially, then
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I was able to be more aware ofthe high highs and the low lows
without that double extreme.
And that was like, I willtell you the first couple of
years in my marriage, in myrelationship with my husband,
I used to hate him becausewe will go into a restaurant
and he will be like, he willliterally will escape, uh,
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dessert to have extra broccolior to have more potatoes.
I will don't finish mydinner, so I will have a
space for dessert and justinstead of the society part
of you should, you should nothaving that connection on how
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highly sensitive people tendto have a high sensitivity
to sugar make me feel veryempowered in my decisions,
in my health, in my wellness,and see how that impact my
emotions and my wellbeing aswell mentally and emotionally.
Um, yeah, that's interesting.
Definitely.
It is so interesting how,how we can be so sensitive
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to, to different thingsand different nuances.
Everyone, like, even though weare highly sensitive persons,
we, we're so different as well.
So yeah, thank youfor sharing that.
And how do you feel that yourhigh sensation seeking is
playing into to your life?
It's been a journey to, likeI was saying before, to Learn
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to accept and love myselfcompletely and don't try
to fix and then being awarethat It's not that there is
something wrong with me issomething that I'm just special
and then it's different soin my case, for example, I am
very very sensitive to noiseand to Lights, so things like
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going to the grocery store Isreally overstimulating for me
to the point that two or threeyears ago, we switch when I
was, I was pregnant in COVID.
So it was, I had a babyCOVID, a COVID baby.
And because of that, wechoose that I was not
going to the grocerystores to reduce the risk.
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And it was amazing to me tosee the difference in my.
In my week, when I was notexposed to all the lights
and all the noise in thegrocery store, I talk with
my husband and that is, forexample, one of the things
that I don't do anymore.
My husband is in chargeof the groceries because
it's very stimulating.
I remember the first time thatI went to Disney, in 2008,
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and remembering that I hadto, every couple of hours,
just go to a corner and closemy eyes and my ears because
the over stimulation was big.
And why that is important hasbeen impacting my life because
if we as highly sensitive peopledon't learn those triggers,
like you were saying, each ofus had different sensitivities
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to noise, to light, to textures.
Um, to sugar, if we don't knowthat we get overstimulated,
overstimulated, overstimulated.
And that is where we explodein an emotional way because
we just can't handle anymore.
That if we are proactiveand we start saying, Oh, I
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am very sensitive to this.
I am very sensitive to this.
Then we start showingourselves grace and love
and start not exposingourselves to things that hurt.
It's almost like.
Like, if I know that fireburn, I'm not going to
put my finger in the fire.
And the first time thatI get burned, you're
like, Oh, maybe next timeit's not going to burn.
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No, every single timeit's going to burn.
And it's part of us to havingthat grace and that self love
to say, this doesn't mean thatI'm less than anybody else
or less worth it than I'm at.
It just means that my brain.
work different with theseinputs, and it's part of my self
care to protect my brain to beexposed to these situations.
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I love that.
My husband is also incharge of the grocery
shopping, or I do it online.
Definitely not something thatI want to waste my energy on.
So when I asked you whatyou wanted to talk about,
and you said using highlysensitive power as our
superpower and embrace ourstrengths, tell us more.
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Well, one of the thingsthat I want everybody
that is listening to us.
To take away from this isthat a statistic that the
new research are showingthat highly sensitive people
are only 20 percent ofthe population in average.
That means that we arethe unique, we are always
thinking about the unicorn,the people that is unique.
If you talk about only 20percent of us have that, that
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means that we are special.
And part of that specialis that, yes, we need to,
everything that we saidbefore, learn to handle it,
but that highly sensitivityallows to be more empathic,
have amazing problem solvingskills, because we are able
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to see things not only fromour way, but from A lot of
other perspectives and views.
And then also to be absolutelycreative and being able to
do things like, like coachingand teaching and mentoring and
taking decisions in a boardof directors in a more win
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win situation, because Thathighly sensitive situation
allows to always be awareof not only ourselves,
but the impact around.
And when we start seeing thatinstead of a weakness, because
I hate doing that, because thenI always cry or I get upset.
Then we start saying, wow,if I'm able to do that,
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how much more good I couldbring to my community.
To my work, to my business,to my family, being that,
that nucleus that keep thebalance and make what for
us is so natural, easy forothers, because that is the
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other gap that the thingsthat are very easy for us,
we give them for granted.
Like literally being able tobalance those emotions and being
aware of how others are feelingand find a neutral place.
You are like, duh, yeah,like, I do that since I'm
seven years old, like.
Yeah.
Nothing good.
But when you start thinkingthat 80 percent of the people
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don't have that, then youstart seeing that different.
When we are talking about80 percent is that for every
five people that you know,four of them are not going to
be highly sensitive people.
So you're in a room withfive other people that mean
that those other four peopleare going to struggle to
do that, that we do withour, with our eyes closed.
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And that help us to get intoa position of leadership.
Servant leadership in a positionof leadership where we are
taking people with us, wherewe are co elevating doesn't
matter if we are is our childrenin our family or our business
or we are an employee in acorporation, then we start
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harvesting that that for someof us like me for years was.
The weakness and the part thatwe are ashamed of, and then
we start actually harvestingthat to help us to get better
on what we are and what wedo, but even more important
for highly sensitive peoplethat is in communities to do
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better for the common good,for community, for the world.
I love that.
Yes, definitely.
It's such a superpower when weallow it and when we embrace
it and see that it actuallyis something that we can use
and that we are, as you say,the unique, unique gifts
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that not many people have,but we take it for granted.
So now I think everyone iswondering, how can we have
it all without doing it all?
Tell us a bit more about that.
So, talking a little bitabout success because having
it all into success is I,the first thing that I will
invite everybody to say isstop buying the advertising
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of what having it all isbecause media, society, the
gurus, the teachers, theyare all telling you this is
what having it all means.
This is what having it all is.
That is what havingit all is for them.
And that doesn't haveto be what is for you.
That is what start becomingthat, that chasing that we are
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like, Oh, I'm working for that.
And what happened is sometimesyou get it and you're like,
what is wrong with me?
I don't feel thatsatisfaction, that joy.
Yeah, because that doesn'tmean having it all for you.
So the first thing is that eachof us need to be very clear into
what having it all means to us.
Particularly, not what isfor my partner, not what is
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for my friend, not what isfor Instagram, for me, in
those specific areas, whathaving it all means in my
health, my body, what itmeans in my finances, what
it means in my relationships.
I will tell you, uh, anexperiment that I did a few
months ago that was mind blowingwas, I asked in a survey,
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what having it all means.
And goes into that root ofus, uh, of space, especially
females, some males do,but especially females
don't feeling comfortableinto asking for ourselves.
So I did that survey and alot of the answers were hell
for my children, world peace,Ukraine war stopping, and all
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of these are beautiful things.
But then my question was,so if you are a point
that you are asking andwanting things for others.
Will that mean that you areat the level of satisfaction
that you are completelysatisfied with your life?
The answer always was no, butwe are just braining to is
not I'm not as important Ineed to ask for others if I am
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asking for myself, I'm selfish.
We need to be selfless So howwe do having it all is being
unapologetically Into be clearinto what having it all means to
me What financial freedom meansto me, what a good relationship
means to me unapologetically.
And then when I havethat, understand that I
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don't have to do it all.
That because that is the otherthing of no pain, no game.
Like it has to be really hard.
And I need to work really hard.
I need to work reallymuch, a lot of time.
Um, and I need to do it all.
So, so I'm worthyof achieving it.
And that's just a lie.
That's a lie that we need tostart understanding, like, no,
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as more you stop doing it alland start actually relying on
others and delegating and makinga priority, then you're going to
have more room to receive more,because it's almost, I, the best
example that I have with havingit all without doing it all is.
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Inhale and exhale.
So if I'm doing itall, I'm inhaling.
What happens if the onlything that you do is inhale?
You will die!You literally will die,
like it's not possible.
There is a point that yourbrain is going to overpower
your desire and it'sgoing to make you exhale.
And what happens if youexhale all the time?
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And just give?
So it's part of having itall is doing that dance of
inhaling, doing, and exhaling.
Receiving and then allowingthat to be a path and to do
that, you say, how we startdoing it, that we start healing
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our perfectionism, we starthealing that good girl syndrome,
that good boy syndrome, thatsyndrome that majority of
us get since we were little,where we need to do perfect,
we need to get the praise, weneed to get the reward because,
because of that, then um, um,We are afraid to ask for help.
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We are afraid toto work in a team.
We are afraid of collaboratebecause it's always been about
me, about me showing up, aboutme being deserving of the good
grace or the qualificationof the recognition.
And instead of that,especially for.
Highly sensitive people isremembering that we are a
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community entity, and that ishow we can have it all without
doing it all getting intothat energy of collective.
And then having, because whenI have clear what having it
all means to you, to me, andyou have what having it all
means to you, and they aredifferent is absolutely amazing.
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Support each other becauseI'm going to support you
in things that are not mypriority, but are for you.
And I'm going to bethere for you there.
And you are going to be therefor me to support me on some
blind spots that I have.
And that is where the matrixis start clicking and then
the ball is start creatingsome momentum from the
individual into the collective.
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Love that.
Yes.
So, so important what you'retalking about as well.
And.
It's listening and they feelthis and they want to start
living a life that is morealigned or start the business.
What would yourecommend them to do?
Get a support team, get a tribe.
And as a highly sensitiveperson, please, please filter
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your tribe, filter yourcoaches, filter the podcast
that you're hearing like Frida.
And make sure that theyare people that if they are
not, ideally, they will behighly sensitive people too.
But if they are not, at leastthey have experience and
study highly sensitive people.
Because if not, you aregoing to feel all the time
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that you are doing two stepsforward, one step back.
Because as a highly sensitiveperson, you are going to try
to start your business orstart working on this with a
recipe that don't work for youas a highly sensitive person.
So that is the first one, howto support team, a community,
and in the possible try tohear podcasts like Frida that
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are from highly sensitivepeople, work with coaches that
are highly sensitive peopleor are familiar with it.
So you can.
Stop fighting that youruniqueness and instead
start learning how youare going to use that to
maximize that learning curve.
And then, um, the, thesecond one on what you can
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do is honor your feelings.
I think that that is oneof the most breaking ground
things that every highlysensitive person can do and is
stop labeling your feelings.
The good feelings and the badfeelings, because They are not
good feelings or bad feelings.
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If you're hearing this, Iwill invite you to spend
two hours next weekend onwatching Inside Out, the
Disney movie Inside Out.
To ground this conceptthat I'm telling you
that is not good or bad.
So because we are highlysensitive, we feel the emotions
a lot longer, a lot stronger.
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So it's about, you know,labeling what are the good
emotions or bad, but allowingyourself to feel them all.
And this is somethingthat is very scary for
highly sensitive people.
And knowing thatcreate a lot of relief.
Some latest research are showingthat if you don't fight the
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feeling or the emotion, youwill not stay in your body
for more than 120 seconds.
That is only two minutes.
And that is a relief for allhighly sensitive people because
we are so overstimulated thatwe're like, Oh my God, I'm
going to be crying for theentire night or I'm going to
be upset for the entire night.
But when we start, stopfighting the feelings
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and we are like, Oh.
All the feelings are there as amessage, to give me a message.
So, first, I'm not labeling.
These are good ones, so Iwant to feel more of these.
These are bad ones, I don'twant to feel these ones.
But instead, I'm just like,no matter what it is, I'm
going to allow it to feel.
And I have the certainty thatit's not going to last more
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than two minutes in my body.
That I think that will be thetwo things that will create
the biggest breakthroughin the journey of embracing
our highly sensitivity.
To use it as our superpower.
Mm.
Love that.
Thank you so muchfor sharing that.
You also have a free resource.
Could you tell us abit more about that?
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Yes, absolutely.
I was telling you beforeabout how the perfection is
and the good syndrome is.
So I have a ebook that hadfive things that we can do
in this journey of healingon that perfectionism,
that good girl syndrome,that good boy syndrome.
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And what to do instead, becauseone of the things that I found
in the past was there is alot of literature about what,
what you should stop doing.
So stop doing this and thisand this to change your life.
But how the brain works is,yeah, I can stop doing that
and leave an empty space.
But if I don't put something newin that empty space, then your
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brain is going to be, oh, thereis empty space there and it's
going to bring back the habit.
So it's not only what youare going to stop doing, but
also what you're going to putnew instead to start healing
that perfectionist that isgoing to allow us to go into
that curve of being able toarticulate what we want and
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then start using that magic thatwe have about our sensitivity
for ourselves and the peoplearound us to create the biggest
impact in our lives and onthe people that we love.
Wonderful.
And that sounds amazing.
And we'll put the link inthe show notes as well.
So people can goand download that.
Is there anything else thatyou would like to say to the
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sensitives that are listening?
I will say take 2024 as theyear that you stop hiding
that you are sensitive.
Stop hiding.
Stop fighting your sensitivity.
Start embracing it as the gift.
That it is start feeling everymorning freaking amazing look
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in the mirrors and like there isonly 20 freaking percent of the
humanity that had these that Ihave how freaking amazing that
is so you don't spend a lot ofenergy trying to hide, trying
to overcome, trying to fix that.
There is nothingthat you need to fix.
You are perfectexactly like you are.
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Actually, you are agift to the world.
You are the 20 percent ofthe world that is a gift to
help us to find that balance.
Love that.
Yes.
Yes.
Listen to that.
Let's all do that.
Thank you so, so much, Joe,for being here and sharing your
wisdom with us and also for thework that you do in the world.
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It's so important.
Thank you so much for havingme and thank you for doing
the work that you are doingto on changing the world.
Thank you.
Thank you for listeningto Sensitive Success.
If you enjoyed this episode,please leave a review and
share it with someone who couldbenefit from this message and
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come over and connect with meon Instagram at Frida Karpo.
And remember, sensitivityis neither good or bad.
It's what we make of it.
Embrace your sensitivityand use it to create
sensitive success your way.
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