April 17, 2025 • 42 mins
April is Global Volunteer Month and this week Rob and Becs interview three NYRR Volunteer Hall of Fame Inductees about their years of experience helping out at the New York City Marathon and Open Run. David Csillan has spent more than 35 years safeguarding the health of runners as a medical volunteer, becoming an essential part of the marathon's medical team. Larry Sillen has volunteered since 1979, handing out bibs and even hauling water from fire hydrants. Now 80 years old, Larry is a familiar face at Open Runs across the city, especially at Marine Park in Brooklyn, where he grew up. Nancy Chiu is the Open Run captain at Cunningham Park in Queens and the leader of the CunningHammers run club whose built a network rooted in encouragement and consistency. She's introduced countless people to the joy of running and volunteering, especially during the pandemic when her presence became a lifeline for community connection.
Medical Volunteer David Csillan: (04:27)
Larry Sillen Began Volunteering in 1979: (20:28)
Nancy Chiu from Cunningham Park Open Run: (32:18)
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David Solan (00:00):
The medical tent is run like a triage center, very
similar to an ER. An athlete is first evaluated when they cross
the line. We have medical staff out there trying to
determine what the issue may be. Then they'll see a
triage nurse and that person will again take their vitals
and try to figure out what department they need to
go to.
Rob Simmelkjaer (00:25):
Hey everybody and welcome to Set the Pace, the official
podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm
your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Roadrunners. And
today we're going to go behind the scenes of some
of New York Road Runners biggest races with some of
the people who know them best, three members of this
year's New York Road Runners Volunteer Hall of Fame at every
(00:47):
single race. Becs Gentry, we always talk up the volunteers and-
Becs Gentry (00:51):
... we do.
Rob Simmelkjaer (00:51):
... now we get to talk to them. Some of
the most loyal volunteers that we have ever had. And
so as we welcome in Becs Gentry, my co- host
and Peloton instructor, and this is going to be fun,
Becs, because these races don't happen without the volunteers and
it's going to be great to have a little time
to speak to some of the legends in that space.
Becs Gentry (01:11):
Absolutely. And they have been with New York Road Runners
since Fred Lebow was running the organization. And it's so
much history that we are about to hear about. We've
got some funny stories and some real harking back to
good times of running. I'm really excited for all of
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our listeners to hear from these three phenomenal humans.
Rob Simmelkjaer (01:35):
I see some of these folks week in and week
out. They've been doing it for years. So many of
our volunteers, of course, come through the 9+ 1 Program
and we love them. We love all of our volunteers.
But these Hall of Famers are people who maybe started
volunteering thinking it would be a one or a two-
time thing, and they've just kept coming back year after
year after year and we're so grateful to them. Looking
(01:57):
forward to hearing some history and talking to them during,
what is April Volunteer Month. That's right, it's Volunteer Appreciation
Month in the month of April so excited to talk
to them. And Becs, we had a bunch of volunteers and runners
out in Central Park this past weekend for the NYRR
Retro 4- Miler.
Becs Gentry (02:17):
I saw some outfits. I saw some outfits. I saw
the New York Road Runners very fun Instagram video post.
And the sun came out. That feels like a rarity
in New York at the moment, so what a day
for the 2025 New York Road Runners Retro 4- Miler. Wow.
Rob Simmelkjaer (02:36):
It turned out to be a beautiful day. A lot
of great spirit out there. People had a lot of
fun. And the winners on Sunday, non- binary winner was
Sean Rankin, Dashing Whippets, a time of 25.20. On the
women's side, it was Alexandra Conway from Central Park Track
Club Tracksmith 23.16 and the men's winner, Jeremy Arthur, Dashing
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Whippets Club, 20 minutes and 35 seconds. Some fast times-
Becs Gentry (03:01):
Stellar times.
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:01):
... on a gorgeous day with some epic, epic fashion
out there in Central Park. Congratulations to everybody who ran. It
was a big race, about 8, 000 runners out there in Central Park.
Becs Gentry (03:14):
(inaudible) .
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:14):
Really, really nice day and glad everybody enjoyed themselves at
the Retro Run. Becs, after we talk to our volunteers
a little later in the show, Meb will be here
with the Meb Minute, and today it's all about how
to manage some rising temperatures. Thankfully, we're starting to see
a little bit of warmth coming through.
Becs Gentry (03:31):
Oh, yeah?
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:31):
Just a little bit.
Becs Gentry (03:31):
Really?
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:33):
Just a little bit so far. But it's going to
get warmer, we know that will happen. And so how to
manage those rising temperatures, that's what Meb will be talking
about a little later on. But we've got volunteers coming
at us.
Becs Gentry (03:46):
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Rob Simmelkjaer (04:26):
All of our volunteers at New York Road Runners events
are incredibly important, but none are more important than our
medical volunteers. And David Solan has spent more than 35
years safeguarding the health of runners as a medical volunteer
with New York Road Runners becoming an essential part of
the marathon's medical team since 1989. From his years at
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mile 25, helping runners push through that final mile, to
coordinating care at the crucial finish line 10, David has
guided thousands of athletes safely across the TCS New York
City Marathon course. He's not only dedicated to countless race
days to helping others, but also has mentored a new
generation of medical volunteers sharing his expertise and passion. And
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this year David makes history as the first athletic trainer
inducted into the New York Road Runners Volunteer Hall of Fame.
David, it is great to have you with us. Welcome.
David Solan (05:21):
Oh, thank you for the invite.
Rob Simmelkjaer (05:22):
Absolutely. Your contributions are massive, David. People who run our
races all have the goal, of course, of not ending
up in the medical tent. That's not a place anybody
plans to visit when they train or show up at
the starting line for a race, but some of them
do. And that is one of the most important parts of
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our operations here at New York Road runners. At every race,
David, I'll usually pop my head in there once or
twice to see how things are going. And you started
doing this back in 1989, which is quite a run.
If you can tell people listening, what has changed? What
was it like in 1989 versus now in terms of
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what happens in our medical tents?
David Solan (06:09):
It's funny because back in '89 when I first started
I was at the 24- mile mark and I looked
at our tent and the supplies that we had, and
I think we had about 100 or 200 band- aids, maybe 100
gauze pads. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, this is
the biggest event in the world and we're working on
bare bones here. But it worked out well. We did
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what we had to do with what we had. After
so many years out on the course, I decided to
come indoors and luckily they invited me in the triage
tent at the finish line, and that's really my home.
My expertise is exertional heatstroke so they had me overseeing
the heat deck, and that's really in my element right there.
Becs Gentry (06:57):
Oh, my gosh, I cannot even begin to imagine the
moments you've had, be it hopefully some joyful ones of
seeing people come in and going back out and finishing
off or to the, I'm sure very sad and heartbreaking
moments over the past 35 years of doing this. Before
(07:17):
I go any further, thank you. As somebody who runs
these races, thank you for being out there and keeping
us all safe.
David Solan (07:25):
No, you're very welcome.
Becs Gentry (07:25):
What is the one thing, I suppose, aside from the
bare bones minute amount of bandages you had back in 1989,
what has been something that's really surprised you about your
experience in this role?
David Solan (07:41):
Well, I'll tell you what, again, I'm going to refer
back to the 24- mile mark. Most of the time when
runners reach that point, they can make the rest of
the way through and it's a lot of encouragement and
clapping and keep going, keep going type thing. A lot
of them want to come over and get stretched because
their muscles start to go into spasm. But the key
part is not to do that. You want to keep
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moving because once they stop and you start stretching, everything
is going to seize and they're going to have difficulty
getting back on the course. Again, there's not really any
critical issues at the 24- mile mark, it's mostly just
encouraging runners and clapping and shouting their way and getting
them to the line. When you're at the finish line,
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however, that's when all the other things start taking place
as far as whether it's a serious injury or just
taking care of the things that they encountered over the
course of the road to get them back out into
the family circle and meeting up with their family. It
could be something as simple as let's take care of
some blisters and clean them up and get them out
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there. Or if it's a heat issue, we need to
cool their core temperature down so they can join their family.
Becs Gentry (08:51):
Wow. Wow. I am, wow. I'm in awe, I'm in absolute awe. And I love that. I hope our listeners really keyed into that,
Rob, the stretching. When your muscles you feel like are
going into spasm that close to the end don't necessarily
stop. Because you do, David, you see so many people
right on that final couple of miles pulling over to
the side. And I love to cheer. If I'm not
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running, I love to cheer around the 24 to finish
line area. And you're right, it is. It's, " Go, go, go,
go. No, just don't stop. Keep going."
David Solan (09:21):
Right.
Becs Gentry (09:21):
But you see so many people coming and stopping and
stretching their hamstrings and their calf muscles. And that's a
great piece of medical knowledge there, listeners. Keep moving. Even
if it's a walk, just keep moving. You can get
to that finish line. Wow.
David Solan (09:35):
Exactly. There were times when I walked with a person
almost to the 25- mile mark, just to keep them
moving and keep them walking. I didn't want them to stop
on the side.
Becs Gentry (09:42):
Did you hand them over to another medical professional?
David Solan (09:45):
Yes. We radioed ahead to the 25- mile mark and
they picked up from there.
Becs Gentry (09:49):
Cool.
Rob Simmelkjaer (09:50):
David, what has kept you coming back year after year
after year to be a medical volunteer? And it's not
just you, there's a community of medical volunteers out there.
I've had a chance to meet many of them over
the years. They play such a vital role in our
setup and the way we put these races on safely.
Of course, we've got a professional staff, we've got a
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great medical partner now in CrowdRx, which is setting up the
infrastructure for our medical care. But the volunteers play a
big role. What keeps you coming back year after year?
David Solan (10:25):
I'm glad you asked that because that's a question that people ask
me from year to year. And starting with my family. "
Why do you keep doing this? They're not paying you.
As a matter of fact, you're paying money for travel,
for food, you're working a 14 to 15 hour day
and you're at the end of your career. You don't
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need this as a resume booster. Why do you keep
doing this?" Friends ask the same thing, " I don't understand
why you're doing this." And my why is for the
runners. When you're on the course, it's that runner that says, "
This is my first race. All I want to do
is finish. Can you help me finish?" And there's communication
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while you're taking care of the runner, there's some communication
there and runners that say, " I have a friend that
passed and I'm running this for my friend." When you're
in the tent, it's the person that says, it's a
lot of distress, and they say, " Am I going to
die? Don't let me die." Or the runner says, " I
just want to join my family after the race." And
that's my why. Now, for the runners, the runners also
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have a why and their why is I want to
finish the race. We feed off each other. The runner
wants to finish a race, we help them finish a race.
Everyone goes home happy.
Becs Gentry (11:47):
Wow. Is there any runner, I'm sure there's a lot,
over 35 years you can't imagine, but is there anything
that stands out? Any person that stands out in your
mind when you're relaying this story?
David Solan (12:02):
One person in particular. Back in 2006, I had the
opportunity to meet Paul Tergat and Paul won the race
in 2005. And the way I encountered him was, I'm
at the 24- mile mark and someone radioed over to
see if anybody wanted to volunteer for USADA. I had
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no idea what I'd be doing, but I said, " Yeah,
I'll do it." I took a walk over to the finish
line and I got the assignment of the second runner
that crossed the line and they said, " My job is
to identify yourself to the runner, stay with that runner
until they produce a sample for us and then your
job is done." It happened to be Paul Tergat and
since he won the previous year, the media was all
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around Paul. We went back to the New York Road Runner's
headquarters and Paul was having something to eat and my
instructions were, I couldn't communicate with Paul, I had to
be completely neutral. And he called me over and he said, "
Would you like a photo with me?" And I said, "
I really can't take any pictures with you, Mr. Tergat."
And he said, " No, you call me Paul." He said, "
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But there are no rules saying that I can't take
a photo with you." He called over one of the
security guys in the building, handed him my cell phone
and said, "I would like to take a picture with my
friend, David," So I have a photo with Paul Tergat.
And that was a really, really neat day for me.
Becs Gentry (13:28):
Oh, that's a wonderful story. Wow.
Rob Simmelkjaer (13:30):
Very cool. And if you've ever met Paul Tergat, you will
not be surprised at that story because he was such
an incredibly personable guy, and I'm not at all surprised he
would want to make that moment for you. That is
really, really cool. You've been in the finish line tent
in recent years, David, and it's a different vibe there
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a lot of the time. The runners have finished the
race, so they got that done. But that is where
we do see a lot of the more acute situations.
For whatever reason, people push really hard to that finish
line, and that's where things oftentimes get serious. Things happen
all along the course, but from what I've seen in my 2.
(14:14):
5 years here, the finish line tent can be a
busy place. Can you talk about the sequence of events?
What happens when a runner comes into the finish line
medical tent and what that care sequence looks like?
David Solan (14:30):
Okay, well, first of all, I can say that the
medical tent is run like a triage center, very similar
to an ER. An athlete is first evaluated when they
cross the line, we have medical staff out there trying
to determine what the issue may be. They go into
a wheelchair most of the time and come into the
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tent that way. Then they'll see a triage nurse and
that person will again take their vitals and try to
figure out what department they need to go to, whether
it's an ICU area, whether it's heat deck, whether it's
orthopedic issue, and then they would move that person into
that particular department. The tent is so large, I'm not
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sure what goes on in the other areas because I'm focused
on heat deck. And for a lot of the time I'm
just sitting there waiting for someone to come in. Probably
the first third of the race I would say, or
first third of the day, we don't really see much
heat issues because the runners are fast, they're trained and
they come across the line and they're on their way,
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they're going home. We see a lot of the heat
with the middle third. These are the runners who are
out there for quite a long time, they're usually the
recreational runner.
Rob Simmelkjaer (15:47):
You're talking maybe four hours to five, 5.5 hours finishing time?
David Solan (15:52):
Right. And they're trying to beat their PR, so they're
really trying to push and they generate a lot of
core heat. The last third, again, it drops off. We
don't see much heat with the last third because in
that group, if they get tired, what do they do?
They slow down and they start walking so they don't give themselves an
opportunity to generate the heat. It's really the middle part
of the day that it really gets crazy in the
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heat tent.
Rob Simmelkjaer (16:15):
And what happens when someone, David, does come in with
a heat condition, a heat stroke, what do you do?
How do you treat that person?
David Solan (16:24):
Okay, so first you want to make a differential diagnosis
to make sure it is a heat issue. And by
doing that, we do a temperature check. We do a
rectal temp because that's the most valid way of checking
core temperature. And if they're elevated above 105, then we
bring them right over to the dunk tank and they'll
go right into some cold water, usually around 50 degrees
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or so of water. The thermometer stays in them until
we see that it drops below 102, and once it
reaches 102, we pull them out of the tub because
we don't want them overshooting and now having their temperature
drop too low. It's this fine science of when do
you go in and when do you come out type thing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:08):
And I've seen those tubs with the ice water in
them and seen people get dunked and it's amazing the
difference it makes. Those folks come in in really bad
shape and they almost just about always walk out of
there after being cooled down. It's incredible. And Becs, if
that's not enough incentive for anybody out there to train
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and make sure they're ready for the marathon, I think
David just gave it. If you come in overheated, first
you're going to have your temperature taken rectally, which is
not what anybody plans to do when they show up-
David Solan (17:39):
Nope.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:39):
... at the starting line and then you're going to
get dunked in a bucket of cold water.
David Solan (17:44):
None of that sounds fun.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:44):
I would say for most people that's a strong incentive to not
end up in the medical tent.
David Solan (17:51):
And I need to add, people will say, " Well, why
do you do the temperature? Why can't you just stick them
in the tub?" Well, there are a lot of similar signs
with the central nervous system dysfunction such as hypoglycemia. You can have
very similar signs and you might put someone in the
tub who's actually having a hypoglycemic episode, so you want to
make sure you're doing the proper treatment with them.
Becs Gentry (18:14):
Oh, my gosh, so many things, so much quick thinking.
As you say, it's triage. It truly is an emergency room.
Rob Simmelkjaer (18:21):
David, you are the first athletic trainer ever to be
inducted into New York Road Runner's Volunteer Hall of Fame.
What does that mean to you?
David Solan (18:29):
I'm in awe and I'm excited and I'm humbled, and not because it's
me, but just because an athletic trainer has been recognized.
There were a few other halls of fame over the
years that I've been inducted into and they were athletic
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training halls of fame, and it was for my advocacy
for the profession, it's for what I've done to promote
the profession, to make improvements in the profession. But this
particular Hall of Fame is an outside group, it's not
an athletic training group, and they're looking at my years
of service and what I've done to help the New
York Road Runners.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:11):
100%. And you have done a lot-
David Solan (19:13):
A lot.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:13):
... and we are very excited to recognize you, your
fellow volunteer Hall of Famers. And David, I hope there
are many more years of you coming out and volunteering
for us-
David Solan (19:24):
Absolutely.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:24):
... in those medical tents. Don't rest on your accomplishments now,
we want to keep you coming back.
David Solan (19:28):
It's funny because when I was notified of this, I started looking back at
some old photos that I had and I came across
one article from a local newspaper here, and it was
back in 2008 and the article said, Athletic Trainer Is
In For The Long Haul. Little did I know back in 2008,
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this was the long haul.
Becs Gentry (19:53):
That's fantastic. Oh, my gosh. Well, keep that long haul
going. Thank you so much, David. It's been a pleasure
to talk to you and learn from you and I
hope to see you out at the next race.
David Solan (20:04):
Oh, great.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:04):
But not in the medical tent, right Becs?
Becs Gentry (20:06):
No, no, no, no, no.
David Solan (20:06):
That's right.
Becs Gentry (20:08):
On the course passing you by with a wave.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:10):
That's right. I want to see David on his way into
work, not while he's working.
David Solan (20:15):
That's right. Or you can always stop by to say
hello, that's okay.
Becs Gentry (20:18):
Yes, absolutely. Those two.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:21):
David Solan, thank you very much and congratulations.
David Solan (20:25):
Thanks again.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:26):
Our next volunteer Hall of Famer has been a New York
Road Runners volunteer since 1979, first stepping up when an injury
kept him from running the marathon. Over the years, Larry
Sillen has handed out bib, he's hauled water from fire
hydrants and even helped Fred Lebow create early signage for
New York Road Runners Run to Work Program, which I
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can't wait to hear about. Now, 80 years old, Larry
is a familiar face at Open Runs across the city,
especially at Marine Park where he grew up. With more
than 90 volunteer shifts, logged at Open Runs alone, Larry's
commitment and signature bell have made him a cornerstone of
the NYRR community. This year, he is being inducted into
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the Volunteer Hall of Fame, recognition for a lifetime of
showing up. Larry, thank you for showing up here. And
let's hear that bell.
Becs Gentry (21:17):
There we go.
Rob Simmelkjaer (21:17):
There we go. What's going on, Larry?
Larry Sillen (21:20):
Awesome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (21:20):
It's great to have you with us. Congratulations on the
Hall of Fame induction.
Becs Gentry (21:23):
Congratulations.
Larry Sillen (21:25):
I was so surprised about it. Just doing what I
love to do, volunteer all my life.
Becs Gentry (21:31):
Wow.
Larry Sillen (21:31):
It's great.
Becs Gentry (21:31):
You are unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. I cannot believe that I'm sitting
here getting to talk to you having seen you at
races and now hearing a lot of your stories. Since
1979, you were sidelined by plantar fasciitis, is that right?
Larry Sillen (21:51):
Yeah.
Becs Gentry (21:52):
And so you decided to not just stay home and
rest, you were like, no, I'm not going to rest. I'm going
to go and volunteer at the marathon instead. And you
did both the expo and the water stations, is that correct?
Larry Sillen (22:06):
Yes, it is.
Becs Gentry (22:07):
Wow.
Larry Sillen (22:08):
The water station was very hard, but we did it.
Becs Gentry (22:10):
You did. And what was that like?
Larry Sillen (22:14):
I remember bringing buckets, trash cans of water from one
side of the other without being run into by the
runners. That was hard. You got to cross the roadway to get
to the water fountain and put the water into the
buckets and all that, and then come back and start
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filling the cups for the runners.
Becs Gentry (22:39):
Wow. And so there were some close calls that day,
but you managed it. I have almost a comedic Warner Brothers
style skit in my mind. A cartoon of you just
with the water dodging everybody. What an experience.
Rob Simmelkjaer (22:55):
You started there and then what kept you volunteering, Larry?
You started because you couldn't run, but I assume the
plantar fasciitis went away, but the desire to volunteer did
not go away. Why did you keep coming back to
volunteer again and again?
Larry Sillen (23:12):
Because I enjoyed myself doing it, cheering on the runners and
all that stuff. I felt like I was actually running
when I volunteered. When I am course martial, I have
my bell and I use it and cheer on the
runners. And every time I volunteer I lose my voice
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because I'm yelling so much.
Rob Simmelkjaer (23:37):
I love it. And I know how much the runners appreciate
that. We all need to hear that encouragement-
Becs Gentry (23:43):
It does.
Rob Simmelkjaer (23:43):
... even from total strangers. Makes a big difference. Okay,
I have to ask you about this Run to Work
program that you worked with Fred Lebow to design signage
for. What was that? What was the Run to Work
program and how were you involved?
Larry Sillen (23:59):
Back in '79, Fred used to have the bib pick
up at the Y on 63rd Street, and I was
there to pick up a bib for a race. And
I saw Fred in the hallway and I went over
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to him and I told him that I work at
an advertising agency and if I could help in any
way. So he told me he had this thought about
Run to Work program and I kind of liked it
and he needed me to actually help him with the
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logo, which was a stick figure of a runner holding
a briefcase. And what he had problems with was putting
the type around the outside of the emblem. So he
asked me to ask one of my patriots at the
(25:09):
advertising agency that I worked for to put the type
around it, which I asked a friend, his name was
Joe Morales. That's the name of my friend.
Rob Simmelkjaer (25:22):
Yeah, Joe.
Larry Sillen (25:24):
And he helped and he put it together and then
he gave it to Fred and he was very happy.
I lived in Brooklyn Heights and I worked at 50th
and Madison where the agency was. And I started running
to work and that's why I joined the New York
Health and Racquet Club so I could go there before
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I got to work and take a shower, so I'd
feel comfortable during the day, which I did. Sometimes I run home
from work. I have two workouts.
Becs Gentry (25:59):
Brilliant.
Larry Sillen (25:59):
And that was good. We were getting ready for the
marathon in 1979, which I couldn't do, but I did
the marathon the next year, but I race walked it.
Rob Simmelkjaer (26:11):
Beautiful, beautiful.
Becs Gentry (26:13):
Still did it. You still did it. Larry, you also
had apparently a very early and strong connection with Dick Traum.
Larry Sillen (26:21):
Yes, I did.
Becs Gentry (26:21):
Can you tell us a little bit about that relationship?
Larry Sillen (26:24):
Well, I went to a running camp at Lake Tahoe
and met some of the people from Runners World because
it was Jeff Galloway's running camp and he did some
writing for Runners World. Andy Burfoot and his wife came
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to the camp and it was really an interesting session
and all that. And I said to Amby, " I'm a
photographer, is there any freelance I could do?" And he said, "
Okay, just give me your name, address and telephone number."
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And I think it was before we had email, so
he'd have to send me a letter or something. I
don't remember what it was back then. But anyway, he got
in touch with me or someone from the group got
in touch with me asking me to take pictures of
this group that just started. But he gave me the
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name of the person to get in touch with and
it was Dick Traum. And I had seen Dick Traum
in a video that someone produced, and it was where
he was running the 1976 marathon and being passed by
Bill Rodgers. Dick used to get an early start. Dick
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probably was involved with the New York Road Runners from
an early time because he was able to get an
early start. After the Road Runners asked me to take
a photo of the team, which I did in front
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of our building on 89th Street, way back when where
we used to pick up our bibs and all that,
and the organization was there too. And afterwards I took
pictures there and then we went to the Central Park
at 98th Street off of Fifth Avenue, the Engineers Gate,
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the World Famous Engineers gate. And we would go, I took
pictures there and Dick said, " Let me get your telephone
number," and we became friends ever since then. And I
realized I could volunteer as a guide for an athlete
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or actually take photos for the team, which I did
almost to '19, or actually two years ago I decided,
or three years ago, I decided to be more of
an athlete than their photographer so I got more involved
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in volunteering and doing that. And then I discovered Open Run.
Rob Simmelkjaer (29:33):
That's right. That's right. Which we'll get to in a
second. But Dick Traum, of course, those who know, know
that he was a founder of Achilles, which we all
know and love in New York Road Runners was an
early New York Roadrunners advocate for athletes with disabilities and
obviously just a legendary figure in New York running and
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passed away within the last year or so. We miss
Dick, and I'm sure you miss Dick. He was a
special guy. Larry, you mentioned Open Run. You have volunteered
over 90 times with Open Run. Of course that's New
York Road Runners free running program in parks around the
city week in and week out. And you've been doing
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it in Marine Park, which is where you grew up.
What has kept you coming back to Open Run and
to Marine Park year after year?
Larry Sillen (30:23):
Well, it's fun to be there. Everybody is so nice
and friendly and you make new friends and stuff like
that. I'd see them at the races all the time
and they know I always love to take pictures with
my phone. And what I do is I've photographed every
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single Open Run that I've been at so I got
a long chain of Open Runs on Facebook. If anybody
wants to see them, they're free, I put them up
there because... And lately I've been sending them to the
actual Open Run on Facebook. I go to Canarsie Park
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on Saturday, Marine Park on Sunday and Brooklyn Bridge Park
on Tuesday nights. And then Thursday night I go to
Achilles, Brooklyn, which on Thursday is our 10th anniversary of
forming a chapter there. I'm proud to be there at
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the first one.
Becs Gentry (31:32):
Larry, you certainly run a lot. Oh my gosh. It has been
such a pleasure to have you on the show to
talk about all the things you have done and all
the things you continue to do for the running community.
It's a true inspiration. And I know there are hundreds
and thousands of people around the world who are grateful
to you and we can't wait to see you being
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honored into that Volunteer Hall of Fame.
Larry Sillen (32:00):
Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:00):
Thank you, Larry. Congratulations.
Larry Sillen (32:02):
You're welcome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:03):
One more bell ring. Come on. One more.
Becs Gentry (32:05):
One more.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:05):
There we go. All right.
Larry Sillen (32:05):
Go volunteers.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:10):
There you go.
Larry Sillen (32:10):
We love volunteers.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:13):
Larry Sillen.
Larry Sillen (32:14):
Good thing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:14):
Larry Sillen. Thanks so much, Larry.
Larry Sillen (32:16):
You're welcome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:18):
Nancy Chu is the force behind one of New York
Road Runner's most vibrant volunteer communities. As the Open Run
captain at Cunningham Park and the leader of the CunningHammers
Run Club, Nancy has built a network rooted in encouragement
and consistency. She's introduced countless people to the joy of
running and volunteering, especially during the pandemic when her presence
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became a lifeline for community connection. Whether she's leading a
water station or sending updates to her team, Nancy shows
up with purpose. This year she's being honored as a
2025 Volunteer Hall of Fame inductee, recognized not just for
what she's done, but for the community that she has
inspired. Nancy Chu, welcome. Congratulations on being a member of the-
Becs Gentry (33:03):
Congratulations.
Rob Simmelkjaer (33:03):
... Volunteer Hall of Fame.
Nancy Chu (33:05):
Thank you. Thank you so much for the opportunity for
doing all this for the community.
Becs Gentry (33:11):
Nancy, you are an incredible human. We are so honored
to have you here to talk to us today. You are the
Open Run captain at Cunningham Park and you lead the
CunningHammers. Can you tell us how that role started and
what your goals were when you first got involved?
Nancy Chu (33:32):
First when I first start running, and the very first race that I did
with New York Road Runners was to run at one J.
P. Morgan Chase back in 2016. I don't know how
it was, so when I finished it felt really good
and satisfying, especially when I never ran before. After that,
I was asking myself now what? What to do? I
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kept searching and searching and that's when I found out there
was a new Open Run launching at Cunningham Park back
in May 2016. And the timing was perfect, it was right after I
finished the (inaudible) . And first running, still imitating though,
I wasn't really a runner and more a jog/ walk person,
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I was nervous to join the run with other runners,
so instead I choose to volunteer. I showed up Sunday
after Sunday and after (inaudible) , the Open Run operation
opened me the role as a run director, back then
called director and right now called captain. I didn't know
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what to expect, all I knew was it made me
happy seeing this group of people, individuals every Sunday learning their running story
and experience. And sometimes even sharing (inaudible) too. As
for the CunningHammers, it wasn't something I created myself. I
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just helped coordinate between (inaudible) . And the name came
from Cunningham Park Open Running Community. It was started by
the Open Run captains, actually, Horace and Annie and a few
regular runners who begin adding more new ones. One week
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for them it just wasn't enough, so they add more
runs to the week and I joined them soon after.
From the year 2017 to 2014 people keep encouraging me to
make it official, a official group to New York Road Runner.
Rob Simmelkjaer (35:43):
An official club.
Nancy Chu (35:43):
I reached out to New York Road Runner and with the help
of the club coordinator, Neil, we got it done quickly
and we are the CunningHammer Running Club now.
Rob Simmelkjaer (36:00):
I love it. I love it. And that club, the CunningHammers,
you not only run together, but you volunteer together as
a group. And what's different about volunteering with a group like
that versus just showing up and doing it on your own?
Nancy Chu (36:18):
As a group it's really motivating and especially for the sign
people. I am one of those to begin with. And
that even volunteering solo is a great way to meet people
too and learn from each other about our learning experience,
sharing all the information, going places to run. It's fun.
Becs Gentry (36:41):
Nancy, you have been described by a runner as the
glue of Cunningham. Can you share what you do week
to week that helps build and sustain such a beautiful, tight-
knit community?
Nancy Chu (36:56):
I was surprised with that phrase, the glue. I never
thought of myself that way. And maybe it's from just
talking to people, sharing race information and tips, and making
sure new- comers felt included in all the conversation we
have about races, volunteer. That might just help them.
Becs Gentry (37:19):
Amazing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (37:20):
It's great. I know that a lot of people found
your group during the pandemic, which, Nancy, is something I
hear all the time. I've met so many runners who
went to Open Run during the pandemic and needed to
find, people move their bodies. And that was happening in
Cunningham Park as well. What was it like during that
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pandemic? How did you keep people engaged? What was it
like when you would have new people coming to that
group during that time?
Nancy Chu (37:50):
I think Open Run is the best place to introduce
someone to running, walking, especially during the pandemic, people were
afraid to go indoor, any activity indoor. Open Run is
outside and it's the best place to meet up and
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stay connected.
Rob Simmelkjaer (38:11):
And those connections have lasted for a long time and
that's thanks to the work of volunteers like you, which
is amazing. Nancy, I know you're a runner as well.
You've run a lot of Road Runner's races. Is there
one that you would say has been meaningful to you
or your favorite race that you've run?
Nancy Chu (38:28):
There is no specific races that is meaningful. Every one
of them, it's unique, especially with the people that you are
running with. All the feeling after all the pain, after,
it's all different, it is in the memory.
Rob Simmelkjaer (38:50):
No, it's great. When you're getting out there, you experience
it as a runner, you experience it as a volunteer
as well. It's a beautiful thing. What was your reaction,
Nancy, when you heard you were being inducted into the
Volunteer Hall of Fame? What does that mean to you?
Nancy Chu (39:09):
Honestly, at first I was like, it wasn't me. It
wasn't just me, it's about everyone around me and Cunning Park, CunningHammer,
it's been a team effort that support me and helped
me to do more. It motivates me a lot to
just go out and do what I like. And I
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like seeing people and without Cunningham Park, Open Run and
CunningHammer and the Volunteer Leaders Group, without them, I am
really nobody.
Rob Simmelkjaer (39:41):
Well, you're definitely not a nobody to Road Runners to
the runners who you help get together every week. You've
made a real impact in their lives. And that's the
thing about volunteering, it has an impact on the volunteer's
life as much as it does the people that they
help. Right, Nancy? And that's what I love to hear
about. What impact do you think it's had on your
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life being a volunteer as frequently as you have been?
Nancy Chu (40:07):
It kept me going and make me happy. That is
the most important thing. And life is tough, and that
is the moment that I escape from the regular stressful
life. And that may make me go on, which is very
nice. I'm happy to be part of it.
Rob Simmelkjaer (40:25):
Well, we're happy to have you as a part of
it and we're happy to welcome you to the Volunteer Hall
of Fame. Congratulations. Thank you so much for joining us
to talk a little bit about it on Set the
Pace, and can't wait to see you inducted very soon
into that Hall of Fame and see you at another
event soon.
Nancy Chu (40:43):
Thank you so much for the opportunity and recognition.
Rob Simmelkjaer (40:46):
And now it's time for today's Meb Minute. Take it away, Meb.
Meb (40:50):
Successful people have routine. Run early in the morning or
evening to avoid heat and reduce dehydration risk. Stay hydrated
throughout the day and replenish electrolyte on long runs. Adjust
pace expectation. Heat increases efforts so focus on effort rather
than speed. Wear moist clothing, sunscreen and a hat for
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sun protection. Personally, if you running on the road and
you see a water fountain, make sure you stop there,
get water and make sure you put water on your
top of your head, on your back of your neck
and your palm of your hand. And make sure you
wet the hat because it will keep you cooler for
a longer period.
Rob Simmelkjaer (41:31):
All right, that does it for another episode of Set
the Pace. We want to thank our guests today, three
of our 2025 inductees to the New York Road Runners Volunteer
Hall of Fame, David Solan, Larry Sillen and Nancy Chu.
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New York Road Runners is a nonprofit organization with a
vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through the
transformative power of running. The support of members and donors
like you helps us achieve our mission to transform the
health and well- being of our communities through inclusive and
accessible running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential. Learn
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more and contribute at nyrr.org/donate.
The medical tent is run like a triage center, very
similar to an ER. An athlete is first evaluated when they cross
the line. We have medical staff out there trying to
determine what the issue may be. Then they'll see a
triage nurse and that person will again take their vitals
and try to figure out what department they need to
go to.
Rob Simmelkjaer (00:25):
Hey everybody and welcome to Set the Pace, the official
podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm
your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Roadrunners. And
today we're going to go behind the scenes of some
of New York Road Runners biggest races with some of
the people who know them best, three members of this
year's New York Road Runners Volunteer Hall of Fame at every
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single race. Becs Gentry, we always talk up the volunteers and-
Becs Gentry (00:51):
... we do.
Rob Simmelkjaer (00:51):
... now we get to talk to them. Some of
the most loyal volunteers that we have ever had. And
so as we welcome in Becs Gentry, my co- host
and Peloton instructor, and this is going to be fun,
Becs, because these races don't happen without the volunteers and
it's going to be great to have a little time
to speak to some of the legends in that space.
Becs Gentry (01:11):
Absolutely. And they have been with New York Road Runners
since Fred Lebow was running the organization. And it's so
much history that we are about to hear about. We've
got some funny stories and some real harking back to
good times of running. I'm really excited for all of
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our listeners to hear from these three phenomenal humans.
Rob Simmelkjaer (01:35):
I see some of these folks week in and week
out. They've been doing it for years. So many of
our volunteers, of course, come through the 9+ 1 Program
and we love them. We love all of our volunteers.
But these Hall of Famers are people who maybe started
volunteering thinking it would be a one or a two-
time thing, and they've just kept coming back year after
year after year and we're so grateful to them. Looking
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forward to hearing some history and talking to them during,
what is April Volunteer Month. That's right, it's Volunteer Appreciation
Month in the month of April so excited to talk
to them. And Becs, we had a bunch of volunteers and runners
out in Central Park this past weekend for the NYRR
Retro 4- Miler.
Becs Gentry (02:17):
I saw some outfits. I saw some outfits. I saw
the New York Road Runners very fun Instagram video post.
And the sun came out. That feels like a rarity
in New York at the moment, so what a day
for the 2025 New York Road Runners Retro 4- Miler. Wow.
Rob Simmelkjaer (02:36):
It turned out to be a beautiful day. A lot
of great spirit out there. People had a lot of
fun. And the winners on Sunday, non- binary winner was
Sean Rankin, Dashing Whippets, a time of 25.20. On the
women's side, it was Alexandra Conway from Central Park Track
Club Tracksmith 23.16 and the men's winner, Jeremy Arthur, Dashing
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Whippets Club, 20 minutes and 35 seconds. Some fast times-
Becs Gentry (03:01):
Stellar times.
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:01):
... on a gorgeous day with some epic, epic fashion
out there in Central Park. Congratulations to everybody who ran. It
was a big race, about 8, 000 runners out there in Central Park.
Becs Gentry (03:14):
(inaudible) .
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:14):
Really, really nice day and glad everybody enjoyed themselves at
the Retro Run. Becs, after we talk to our volunteers
a little later in the show, Meb will be here
with the Meb Minute, and today it's all about how
to manage some rising temperatures. Thankfully, we're starting to see
a little bit of warmth coming through.
Becs Gentry (03:31):
Oh, yeah?
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:31):
Just a little bit.
Becs Gentry (03:31):
Really?
Rob Simmelkjaer (03:33):
Just a little bit so far. But it's going to
get warmer, we know that will happen. And so how to
manage those rising temperatures, that's what Meb will be talking
about a little later on. But we've got volunteers coming
at us.
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Rob Simmelkjaer (04:26):
All of our volunteers at New York Road Runners events
are incredibly important, but none are more important than our
medical volunteers. And David Solan has spent more than 35
years safeguarding the health of runners as a medical volunteer
with New York Road Runners becoming an essential part of
the marathon's medical team since 1989. From his years at
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mile 25, helping runners push through that final mile, to
coordinating care at the crucial finish line 10, David has
guided thousands of athletes safely across the TCS New York
City Marathon course. He's not only dedicated to countless race
days to helping others, but also has mentored a new
generation of medical volunteers sharing his expertise and passion. And
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this year David makes history as the first athletic trainer
inducted into the New York Road Runners Volunteer Hall of Fame.
David, it is great to have you with us. Welcome.
David Solan (05:21):
Oh, thank you for the invite.
Rob Simmelkjaer (05:22):
Absolutely. Your contributions are massive, David. People who run our
races all have the goal, of course, of not ending
up in the medical tent. That's not a place anybody
plans to visit when they train or show up at
the starting line for a race, but some of them
do. And that is one of the most important parts of
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our operations here at New York Road runners. At every race,
David, I'll usually pop my head in there once or
twice to see how things are going. And you started
doing this back in 1989, which is quite a run.
If you can tell people listening, what has changed? What
was it like in 1989 versus now in terms of
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what happens in our medical tents?
David Solan (06:09):
It's funny because back in '89 when I first started
I was at the 24- mile mark and I looked
at our tent and the supplies that we had, and
I think we had about 100 or 200 band- aids, maybe 100
gauze pads. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, this is
the biggest event in the world and we're working on
bare bones here. But it worked out well. We did
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what we had to do with what we had. After
so many years out on the course, I decided to
come indoors and luckily they invited me in the triage
tent at the finish line, and that's really my home.
My expertise is exertional heatstroke so they had me overseeing
the heat deck, and that's really in my element right there.
Becs Gentry (06:57):
Oh, my gosh, I cannot even begin to imagine the
moments you've had, be it hopefully some joyful ones of
seeing people come in and going back out and finishing
off or to the, I'm sure very sad and heartbreaking
moments over the past 35 years of doing this. Before
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I go any further, thank you. As somebody who runs
these races, thank you for being out there and keeping
us all safe.
David Solan (07:25):
No, you're very welcome.
Becs Gentry (07:25):
What is the one thing, I suppose, aside from the
bare bones minute amount of bandages you had back in 1989,
what has been something that's really surprised you about your
experience in this role?
David Solan (07:41):
Well, I'll tell you what, again, I'm going to refer
back to the 24- mile mark. Most of the time when
runners reach that point, they can make the rest of
the way through and it's a lot of encouragement and
clapping and keep going, keep going type thing. A lot
of them want to come over and get stretched because
their muscles start to go into spasm. But the key
part is not to do that. You want to keep
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moving because once they stop and you start stretching, everything
is going to seize and they're going to have difficulty
getting back on the course. Again, there's not really any
critical issues at the 24- mile mark, it's mostly just
encouraging runners and clapping and shouting their way and getting
them to the line. When you're at the finish line,
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however, that's when all the other things start taking place
as far as whether it's a serious injury or just
taking care of the things that they encountered over the
course of the road to get them back out into
the family circle and meeting up with their family. It
could be something as simple as let's take care of
some blisters and clean them up and get them out
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there. Or if it's a heat issue, we need to
cool their core temperature down so they can join their family.
Becs Gentry (08:51):
Wow. Wow. I am, wow. I'm in awe, I'm in absolute awe. And I love that. I hope our listeners really keyed into that,
Rob, the stretching. When your muscles you feel like are
going into spasm that close to the end don't necessarily
stop. Because you do, David, you see so many people
right on that final couple of miles pulling over to
the side. And I love to cheer. If I'm not
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running, I love to cheer around the 24 to finish
line area. And you're right, it is. It's, " Go, go, go,
go. No, just don't stop. Keep going."
David Solan (09:21):
Right.
Becs Gentry (09:21):
But you see so many people coming and stopping and
stretching their hamstrings and their calf muscles. And that's a
great piece of medical knowledge there, listeners. Keep moving. Even
if it's a walk, just keep moving. You can get
to that finish line. Wow.
David Solan (09:35):
Exactly. There were times when I walked with a person
almost to the 25- mile mark, just to keep them
moving and keep them walking. I didn't want them to stop
on the side.
Becs Gentry (09:42):
Did you hand them over to another medical professional?
David Solan (09:45):
Yes. We radioed ahead to the 25- mile mark and
they picked up from there.
Becs Gentry (09:49):
Cool.
Rob Simmelkjaer (09:50):
David, what has kept you coming back year after year
after year to be a medical volunteer? And it's not
just you, there's a community of medical volunteers out there.
I've had a chance to meet many of them over
the years. They play such a vital role in our
setup and the way we put these races on safely.
Of course, we've got a professional staff, we've got a
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great medical partner now in CrowdRx, which is setting up the
infrastructure for our medical care. But the volunteers play a
big role. What keeps you coming back year after year?
David Solan (10:25):
I'm glad you asked that because that's a question that people ask
me from year to year. And starting with my family. "
Why do you keep doing this? They're not paying you.
As a matter of fact, you're paying money for travel,
for food, you're working a 14 to 15 hour day
and you're at the end of your career. You don't
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need this as a resume booster. Why do you keep
doing this?" Friends ask the same thing, " I don't understand
why you're doing this." And my why is for the
runners. When you're on the course, it's that runner that says, "
This is my first race. All I want to do
is finish. Can you help me finish?" And there's communication
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while you're taking care of the runner, there's some communication
there and runners that say, " I have a friend that
passed and I'm running this for my friend." When you're
in the tent, it's the person that says, it's a
lot of distress, and they say, " Am I going to
die? Don't let me die." Or the runner says, " I
just want to join my family after the race." And
that's my why. Now, for the runners, the runners also
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have a why and their why is I want to
finish the race. We feed off each other. The runner
wants to finish a race, we help them finish a race.
Everyone goes home happy.
Becs Gentry (11:47):
Wow. Is there any runner, I'm sure there's a lot,
over 35 years you can't imagine, but is there anything
that stands out? Any person that stands out in your
mind when you're relaying this story?
David Solan (12:02):
One person in particular. Back in 2006, I had the
opportunity to meet Paul Tergat and Paul won the race
in 2005. And the way I encountered him was, I'm
at the 24- mile mark and someone radioed over to
see if anybody wanted to volunteer for USADA. I had
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no idea what I'd be doing, but I said, " Yeah,
I'll do it." I took a walk over to the finish
line and I got the assignment of the second runner
that crossed the line and they said, " My job is
to identify yourself to the runner, stay with that runner
until they produce a sample for us and then your
job is done." It happened to be Paul Tergat and
since he won the previous year, the media was all
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around Paul. We went back to the New York Road Runner's
headquarters and Paul was having something to eat and my
instructions were, I couldn't communicate with Paul, I had to
be completely neutral. And he called me over and he said, "
Would you like a photo with me?" And I said, "
I really can't take any pictures with you, Mr. Tergat."
And he said, " No, you call me Paul." He said, "
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But there are no rules saying that I can't take
a photo with you." He called over one of the
security guys in the building, handed him my cell phone
and said, "I would like to take a picture with my
friend, David," So I have a photo with Paul Tergat.
And that was a really, really neat day for me.
Becs Gentry (13:28):
Oh, that's a wonderful story. Wow.
Rob Simmelkjaer (13:30):
Very cool. And if you've ever met Paul Tergat, you will
not be surprised at that story because he was such
an incredibly personable guy, and I'm not at all surprised he
would want to make that moment for you. That is
really, really cool. You've been in the finish line tent
in recent years, David, and it's a different vibe there
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a lot of the time. The runners have finished the
race, so they got that done. But that is where
we do see a lot of the more acute situations.
For whatever reason, people push really hard to that finish
line, and that's where things oftentimes get serious. Things happen
all along the course, but from what I've seen in my 2.
(14:14):
5 years here, the finish line tent can be a
busy place. Can you talk about the sequence of events?
What happens when a runner comes into the finish line
medical tent and what that care sequence looks like?
David Solan (14:30):
Okay, well, first of all, I can say that the
medical tent is run like a triage center, very similar
to an ER. An athlete is first evaluated when they
cross the line, we have medical staff out there trying
to determine what the issue may be. They go into
a wheelchair most of the time and come into the
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tent that way. Then they'll see a triage nurse and
that person will again take their vitals and try to
figure out what department they need to go to, whether
it's an ICU area, whether it's heat deck, whether it's
orthopedic issue, and then they would move that person into
that particular department. The tent is so large, I'm not
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sure what goes on in the other areas because I'm focused
on heat deck. And for a lot of the time I'm
just sitting there waiting for someone to come in. Probably
the first third of the race I would say, or
first third of the day, we don't really see much
heat issues because the runners are fast, they're trained and
they come across the line and they're on their way,
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they're going home. We see a lot of the heat
with the middle third. These are the runners who are
out there for quite a long time, they're usually the
recreational runner.
Rob Simmelkjaer (15:47):
You're talking maybe four hours to five, 5.5 hours finishing time?
David Solan (15:52):
Right. And they're trying to beat their PR, so they're
really trying to push and they generate a lot of
core heat. The last third, again, it drops off. We
don't see much heat with the last third because in
that group, if they get tired, what do they do?
They slow down and they start walking so they don't give themselves an
opportunity to generate the heat. It's really the middle part
of the day that it really gets crazy in the
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heat tent.
Rob Simmelkjaer (16:15):
And what happens when someone, David, does come in with
a heat condition, a heat stroke, what do you do?
How do you treat that person?
David Solan (16:24):
Okay, so first you want to make a differential diagnosis
to make sure it is a heat issue. And by
doing that, we do a temperature check. We do a
rectal temp because that's the most valid way of checking
core temperature. And if they're elevated above 105, then we
bring them right over to the dunk tank and they'll
go right into some cold water, usually around 50 degrees
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or so of water. The thermometer stays in them until
we see that it drops below 102, and once it
reaches 102, we pull them out of the tub because
we don't want them overshooting and now having their temperature
drop too low. It's this fine science of when do
you go in and when do you come out type thing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:08):
And I've seen those tubs with the ice water in
them and seen people get dunked and it's amazing the
difference it makes. Those folks come in in really bad
shape and they almost just about always walk out of
there after being cooled down. It's incredible. And Becs, if
that's not enough incentive for anybody out there to train
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and make sure they're ready for the marathon, I think
David just gave it. If you come in overheated, first
you're going to have your temperature taken rectally, which is
not what anybody plans to do when they show up-
David Solan (17:39):
Nope.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:39):
... at the starting line and then you're going to
get dunked in a bucket of cold water.
David Solan (17:44):
None of that sounds fun.
Rob Simmelkjaer (17:44):
I would say for most people that's a strong incentive to not
end up in the medical tent.
David Solan (17:51):
And I need to add, people will say, " Well, why
do you do the temperature? Why can't you just stick them
in the tub?" Well, there are a lot of similar signs
with the central nervous system dysfunction such as hypoglycemia. You can have
very similar signs and you might put someone in the
tub who's actually having a hypoglycemic episode, so you want to
make sure you're doing the proper treatment with them.
Becs Gentry (18:14):
Oh, my gosh, so many things, so much quick thinking.
As you say, it's triage. It truly is an emergency room.
Rob Simmelkjaer (18:21):
David, you are the first athletic trainer ever to be
inducted into New York Road Runner's Volunteer Hall of Fame.
What does that mean to you?
David Solan (18:29):
I'm in awe and I'm excited and I'm humbled, and not because it's
me, but just because an athletic trainer has been recognized.
There were a few other halls of fame over the
years that I've been inducted into and they were athletic
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training halls of fame, and it was for my advocacy
for the profession, it's for what I've done to promote
the profession, to make improvements in the profession. But this
particular Hall of Fame is an outside group, it's not
an athletic training group, and they're looking at my years
of service and what I've done to help the New
York Road Runners.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:11):
100%. And you have done a lot-
David Solan (19:13):
A lot.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:13):
... and we are very excited to recognize you, your
fellow volunteer Hall of Famers. And David, I hope there
are many more years of you coming out and volunteering
for us-
David Solan (19:24):
Absolutely.
Rob Simmelkjaer (19:24):
... in those medical tents. Don't rest on your accomplishments now,
we want to keep you coming back.
David Solan (19:28):
It's funny because when I was notified of this, I started looking back at
some old photos that I had and I came across
one article from a local newspaper here, and it was
back in 2008 and the article said, Athletic Trainer Is
In For The Long Haul. Little did I know back in 2008,
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this was the long haul.
Becs Gentry (19:53):
That's fantastic. Oh, my gosh. Well, keep that long haul
going. Thank you so much, David. It's been a pleasure
to talk to you and learn from you and I
hope to see you out at the next race.
David Solan (20:04):
Oh, great.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:04):
But not in the medical tent, right Becs?
Becs Gentry (20:06):
No, no, no, no, no.
David Solan (20:06):
That's right.
Becs Gentry (20:08):
On the course passing you by with a wave.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:10):
That's right. I want to see David on his way into
work, not while he's working.
David Solan (20:15):
That's right. Or you can always stop by to say
hello, that's okay.
Becs Gentry (20:18):
Yes, absolutely. Those two.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:21):
David Solan, thank you very much and congratulations.
David Solan (20:25):
Thanks again.
Rob Simmelkjaer (20:26):
Our next volunteer Hall of Famer has been a New York
Road Runners volunteer since 1979, first stepping up when an injury
kept him from running the marathon. Over the years, Larry
Sillen has handed out bib, he's hauled water from fire
hydrants and even helped Fred Lebow create early signage for
New York Road Runners Run to Work Program, which I
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can't wait to hear about. Now, 80 years old, Larry
is a familiar face at Open Runs across the city,
especially at Marine Park where he grew up. With more
than 90 volunteer shifts, logged at Open Runs alone, Larry's
commitment and signature bell have made him a cornerstone of
the NYRR community. This year, he is being inducted into
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the Volunteer Hall of Fame, recognition for a lifetime of
showing up. Larry, thank you for showing up here. And
let's hear that bell.
Becs Gentry (21:17):
There we go.
Rob Simmelkjaer (21:17):
There we go. What's going on, Larry?
Larry Sillen (21:20):
Awesome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (21:20):
It's great to have you with us. Congratulations on the
Hall of Fame induction.
Becs Gentry (21:23):
Congratulations.
Larry Sillen (21:25):
I was so surprised about it. Just doing what I
love to do, volunteer all my life.
Becs Gentry (21:31):
Wow.
Larry Sillen (21:31):
It's great.
Becs Gentry (21:31):
You are unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. I cannot believe that I'm sitting
here getting to talk to you having seen you at
races and now hearing a lot of your stories. Since
1979, you were sidelined by plantar fasciitis, is that right?
Larry Sillen (21:51):
Yeah.
Becs Gentry (21:52):
And so you decided to not just stay home and
rest, you were like, no, I'm not going to rest. I'm going
to go and volunteer at the marathon instead. And you
did both the expo and the water stations, is that correct?
Larry Sillen (22:06):
Yes, it is.
Becs Gentry (22:07):
Wow.
Larry Sillen (22:08):
The water station was very hard, but we did it.
Becs Gentry (22:10):
You did. And what was that like?
Larry Sillen (22:14):
I remember bringing buckets, trash cans of water from one
side of the other without being run into by the
runners. That was hard. You got to cross the roadway to get
to the water fountain and put the water into the
buckets and all that, and then come back and start
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filling the cups for the runners.
Becs Gentry (22:39):
Wow. And so there were some close calls that day,
but you managed it. I have almost a comedic Warner Brothers
style skit in my mind. A cartoon of you just
with the water dodging everybody. What an experience.
Rob Simmelkjaer (22:55):
You started there and then what kept you volunteering, Larry?
You started because you couldn't run, but I assume the
plantar fasciitis went away, but the desire to volunteer did
not go away. Why did you keep coming back to
volunteer again and again?
Larry Sillen (23:12):
Because I enjoyed myself doing it, cheering on the runners and
all that stuff. I felt like I was actually running
when I volunteered. When I am course martial, I have
my bell and I use it and cheer on the
runners. And every time I volunteer I lose my voice
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because I'm yelling so much.
Rob Simmelkjaer (23:37):
I love it. And I know how much the runners appreciate
that. We all need to hear that encouragement-
Becs Gentry (23:43):
It does.
Rob Simmelkjaer (23:43):
... even from total strangers. Makes a big difference. Okay,
I have to ask you about this Run to Work
program that you worked with Fred Lebow to design signage
for. What was that? What was the Run to Work
program and how were you involved?
Larry Sillen (23:59):
Back in '79, Fred used to have the bib pick
up at the Y on 63rd Street, and I was
there to pick up a bib for a race. And
I saw Fred in the hallway and I went over
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to him and I told him that I work at
an advertising agency and if I could help in any
way. So he told me he had this thought about
Run to Work program and I kind of liked it
and he needed me to actually help him with the
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logo, which was a stick figure of a runner holding
a briefcase. And what he had problems with was putting
the type around the outside of the emblem. So he
asked me to ask one of my patriots at the
(25:09):
advertising agency that I worked for to put the type
around it, which I asked a friend, his name was
Joe Morales. That's the name of my friend.
Rob Simmelkjaer (25:22):
Yeah, Joe.
Larry Sillen (25:24):
And he helped and he put it together and then
he gave it to Fred and he was very happy.
I lived in Brooklyn Heights and I worked at 50th
and Madison where the agency was. And I started running
to work and that's why I joined the New York
Health and Racquet Club so I could go there before
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I got to work and take a shower, so I'd
feel comfortable during the day, which I did. Sometimes I run home
from work. I have two workouts.
Becs Gentry (25:59):
Brilliant.
Larry Sillen (25:59):
And that was good. We were getting ready for the
marathon in 1979, which I couldn't do, but I did
the marathon the next year, but I race walked it.
Rob Simmelkjaer (26:11):
Beautiful, beautiful.
Becs Gentry (26:13):
Still did it. You still did it. Larry, you also
had apparently a very early and strong connection with Dick Traum.
Larry Sillen (26:21):
Yes, I did.
Becs Gentry (26:21):
Can you tell us a little bit about that relationship?
Larry Sillen (26:24):
Well, I went to a running camp at Lake Tahoe
and met some of the people from Runners World because
it was Jeff Galloway's running camp and he did some
writing for Runners World. Andy Burfoot and his wife came
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to the camp and it was really an interesting session
and all that. And I said to Amby, " I'm a
photographer, is there any freelance I could do?" And he said, "
Okay, just give me your name, address and telephone number."
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And I think it was before we had email, so
he'd have to send me a letter or something. I
don't remember what it was back then. But anyway, he got
in touch with me or someone from the group got
in touch with me asking me to take pictures of
this group that just started. But he gave me the
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name of the person to get in touch with and
it was Dick Traum. And I had seen Dick Traum
in a video that someone produced, and it was where
he was running the 1976 marathon and being passed by
Bill Rodgers. Dick used to get an early start. Dick
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probably was involved with the New York Road Runners from
an early time because he was able to get an
early start. After the Road Runners asked me to take
a photo of the team, which I did in front
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of our building on 89th Street, way back when where
we used to pick up our bibs and all that,
and the organization was there too. And afterwards I took
pictures there and then we went to the Central Park
at 98th Street off of Fifth Avenue, the Engineers Gate,
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the World Famous Engineers gate. And we would go, I took
pictures there and Dick said, " Let me get your telephone
number," and we became friends ever since then. And I
realized I could volunteer as a guide for an athlete
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or actually take photos for the team, which I did
almost to '19, or actually two years ago I decided,
or three years ago, I decided to be more of
an athlete than their photographer so I got more involved
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in volunteering and doing that. And then I discovered Open Run.
Rob Simmelkjaer (29:33):
That's right. That's right. Which we'll get to in a
second. But Dick Traum, of course, those who know, know
that he was a founder of Achilles, which we all
know and love in New York Road Runners was an
early New York Roadrunners advocate for athletes with disabilities and
obviously just a legendary figure in New York running and
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passed away within the last year or so. We miss
Dick, and I'm sure you miss Dick. He was a
special guy. Larry, you mentioned Open Run. You have volunteered
over 90 times with Open Run. Of course that's New
York Road Runners free running program in parks around the
city week in and week out. And you've been doing
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it in Marine Park, which is where you grew up.
What has kept you coming back to Open Run and
to Marine Park year after year?
Larry Sillen (30:23):
Well, it's fun to be there. Everybody is so nice
and friendly and you make new friends and stuff like
that. I'd see them at the races all the time
and they know I always love to take pictures with
my phone. And what I do is I've photographed every
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single Open Run that I've been at so I got
a long chain of Open Runs on Facebook. If anybody
wants to see them, they're free, I put them up
there because... And lately I've been sending them to the
actual Open Run on Facebook. I go to Canarsie Park
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on Saturday, Marine Park on Sunday and Brooklyn Bridge Park
on Tuesday nights. And then Thursday night I go to
Achilles, Brooklyn, which on Thursday is our 10th anniversary of
forming a chapter there. I'm proud to be there at
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the first one.
Becs Gentry (31:32):
Larry, you certainly run a lot. Oh my gosh. It has been
such a pleasure to have you on the show to
talk about all the things you have done and all
the things you continue to do for the running community.
It's a true inspiration. And I know there are hundreds
and thousands of people around the world who are grateful
to you and we can't wait to see you being
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honored into that Volunteer Hall of Fame.
Larry Sillen (32:00):
Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:00):
Thank you, Larry. Congratulations.
Larry Sillen (32:02):
You're welcome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:03):
One more bell ring. Come on. One more.
Becs Gentry (32:05):
One more.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:05):
There we go. All right.
Larry Sillen (32:05):
Go volunteers.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:10):
There you go.
Larry Sillen (32:10):
We love volunteers.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:13):
Larry Sillen.
Larry Sillen (32:14):
Good thing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:14):
Larry Sillen. Thanks so much, Larry.
Larry Sillen (32:16):
You're welcome.
Rob Simmelkjaer (32:18):
Nancy Chu is the force behind one of New York
Road Runner's most vibrant volunteer communities. As the Open Run
captain at Cunningham Park and the leader of the CunningHammers
Run Club, Nancy has built a network rooted in encouragement
and consistency. She's introduced countless people to the joy of
running and volunteering, especially during the pandemic when her presence
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became a lifeline for community connection. Whether she's leading a
water station or sending updates to her team, Nancy shows
up with purpose. This year she's being honored as a
2025 Volunteer Hall of Fame inductee, recognized not just for
what she's done, but for the community that she has
inspired. Nancy Chu, welcome. Congratulations on being a member of the-
Becs Gentry (33:03):
Congratulations.
Rob Simmelkjaer (33:03):
... Volunteer Hall of Fame.
Nancy Chu (33:05):
Thank you. Thank you so much for the opportunity for
doing all this for the community.
Becs Gentry (33:11):
Nancy, you are an incredible human. We are so honored
to have you here to talk to us today. You are the
Open Run captain at Cunningham Park and you lead the
CunningHammers. Can you tell us how that role started and
what your goals were when you first got involved?
Nancy Chu (33:32):
First when I first start running, and the very first race that I did
with New York Road Runners was to run at one J.
P. Morgan Chase back in 2016. I don't know how
it was, so when I finished it felt really good
and satisfying, especially when I never ran before. After that,
I was asking myself now what? What to do? I
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kept searching and searching and that's when I found out there
was a new Open Run launching at Cunningham Park back
in May 2016. And the timing was perfect, it was right after I
finished the (inaudible) . And first running, still imitating though,
I wasn't really a runner and more a jog/ walk person,
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I was nervous to join the run with other runners,
so instead I choose to volunteer. I showed up Sunday
after Sunday and after (inaudible) , the Open Run operation
opened me the role as a run director, back then
called director and right now called captain. I didn't know
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what to expect, all I knew was it made me
happy seeing this group of people, individuals every Sunday learning their running story
and experience. And sometimes even sharing (inaudible) too. As
for the CunningHammers, it wasn't something I created myself. I
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just helped coordinate between (inaudible) . And the name came
from Cunningham Park Open Running Community. It was started by
the Open Run captains, actually, Horace and Annie and a few
regular runners who begin adding more new ones. One week
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for them it just wasn't enough, so they add more
runs to the week and I joined them soon after.
From the year 2017 to 2014 people keep encouraging me to
make it official, a official group to New York Road Runner.
Rob Simmelkjaer (35:43):
An official club.
Nancy Chu (35:43):
I reached out to New York Road Runner and with the help
of the club coordinator, Neil, we got it done quickly
and we are the CunningHammer Running Club now.
Rob Simmelkjaer (36:00):
I love it. I love it. And that club, the CunningHammers,
you not only run together, but you volunteer together as
a group. And what's different about volunteering with a group like
that versus just showing up and doing it on your own?
Nancy Chu (36:18):
As a group it's really motivating and especially for the sign
people. I am one of those to begin with. And
that even volunteering solo is a great way to meet people
too and learn from each other about our learning experience,
sharing all the information, going places to run. It's fun.
Becs Gentry (36:41):
Nancy, you have been described by a runner as the
glue of Cunningham. Can you share what you do week
to week that helps build and sustain such a beautiful, tight-
knit community?
Nancy Chu (36:56):
I was surprised with that phrase, the glue. I never
thought of myself that way. And maybe it's from just
talking to people, sharing race information and tips, and making
sure new- comers felt included in all the conversation we
have about races, volunteer. That might just help them.
Becs Gentry (37:19):
Amazing.
Rob Simmelkjaer (37:20):
It's great. I know that a lot of people found
your group during the pandemic, which, Nancy, is something I
hear all the time. I've met so many runners who
went to Open Run during the pandemic and needed to
find, people move their bodies. And that was happening in
Cunningham Park as well. What was it like during that
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pandemic? How did you keep people engaged? What was it
like when you would have new people coming to that
group during that time?
Nancy Chu (37:50):
I think Open Run is the best place to introduce
someone to running, walking, especially during the pandemic, people were
afraid to go indoor, any activity indoor. Open Run is
outside and it's the best place to meet up and
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stay connected.
Rob Simmelkjaer (38:11):
And those connections have lasted for a long time and
that's thanks to the work of volunteers like you, which
is amazing. Nancy, I know you're a runner as well.
You've run a lot of Road Runner's races. Is there
one that you would say has been meaningful to you
or your favorite race that you've run?
Nancy Chu (38:28):
There is no specific races that is meaningful. Every one
of them, it's unique, especially with the people that you are
running with. All the feeling after all the pain, after,
it's all different, it is in the memory.
Rob Simmelkjaer (38:50):
No, it's great. When you're getting out there, you experience
it as a runner, you experience it as a volunteer
as well. It's a beautiful thing. What was your reaction,
Nancy, when you heard you were being inducted into the
Volunteer Hall of Fame? What does that mean to you?
Nancy Chu (39:09):
Honestly, at first I was like, it wasn't me. It
wasn't just me, it's about everyone around me and Cunning Park, CunningHammer,
it's been a team effort that support me and helped
me to do more. It motivates me a lot to
just go out and do what I like. And I
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like seeing people and without Cunningham Park, Open Run and
CunningHammer and the Volunteer Leaders Group, without them, I am
really nobody.
Rob Simmelkjaer (39:41):
Well, you're definitely not a nobody to Road Runners to
the runners who you help get together every week. You've
made a real impact in their lives. And that's the
thing about volunteering, it has an impact on the volunteer's
life as much as it does the people that they
help. Right, Nancy? And that's what I love to hear
about. What impact do you think it's had on your
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life being a volunteer as frequently as you have been?
Nancy Chu (40:07):
It kept me going and make me happy. That is
the most important thing. And life is tough, and that
is the moment that I escape from the regular stressful
life. And that may make me go on, which is very
nice. I'm happy to be part of it.
Rob Simmelkjaer (40:25):
Well, we're happy to have you as a part of
it and we're happy to welcome you to the Volunteer Hall
of Fame. Congratulations. Thank you so much for joining us
to talk a little bit about it on Set the
Pace, and can't wait to see you inducted very soon
into that Hall of Fame and see you at another
event soon.
Nancy Chu (40:43):
Thank you so much for the opportunity and recognition.
Rob Simmelkjaer (40:46):
And now it's time for today's Meb Minute. Take it away, Meb.
Meb (40:50):
Successful people have routine. Run early in the morning or
evening to avoid heat and reduce dehydration risk. Stay hydrated
throughout the day and replenish electrolyte on long runs. Adjust
pace expectation. Heat increases efforts so focus on effort rather
than speed. Wear moist clothing, sunscreen and a hat for
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sun protection. Personally, if you running on the road and
you see a water fountain, make sure you stop there,
get water and make sure you put water on your
top of your head, on your back of your neck
and your palm of your hand. And make sure you
wet the hat because it will keep you cooler for
a longer period.
Rob Simmelkjaer (41:31):
All right, that does it for another episode of Set
the Pace. We want to thank our guests today, three
of our 2025 inductees to the New York Road Runners Volunteer
Hall of Fame, David Solan, Larry Sillen and Nancy Chu.
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New York Road Runners is a nonprofit organization with a
vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through the
transformative power of running. The support of members and donors
like you helps us achieve our mission to transform the
health and well- being of our communities through inclusive and
accessible running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential. Learn
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more and contribute at nyrr.org/donate.
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