May 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Struggling with acne that just won't quit, no matter what you try? You might be dealing with biofilms - the secret bacterial fortresses making your breakouts impossible to treat.
In this enlightening conversation with comedian and personal trainer Bridget Sell, we dive deep into the frustrating world of treatment-resistant acne. Bridget shares her personal journey with what dermatologists identified as "Accutane resistance," a rare condition where even the most potent acne medication fails to provide lasting results. The culprit? Bacterial biofilms.
These slimy protective shields form when bacteria build communities deep within your pores, creating barriers that medications can't penetrate. If you're dealing with deep, painful cystic acne that never comes to a head, constantly recurs in the same spots, or only responds temporarily to treatments, biofilms might be your unseen enemy.
We explore the science behind these bacterial strongholds and discuss why they're so difficult to eliminate. Bridget candidly shares her years-long battle, including the embarrassment of dealing with severe acne while attending acting school and the various treatments she's tried. From professional procedures like Fraxel and Decadot to prescription retinols that cause the dreaded "retinol uglies" before improvement, her story offers hope for those struggling with similar issues.
The episode also covers practical solutions, including enzyme treatments, specific essential oils, and internal approaches that support gut health. We discuss professional options that can break through these barriers and finally allow your skin to heal.
Whether you're currently battling stubborn acne or supporting someone who is, this episode provides valuable insights into a commonly overlooked cause of persistent skin issues. Subscribe now and join our community of skincare enthusiasts who believe in combining science with a healthy dose of humor!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:21):
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We're the only podcast outthere that I know that does
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Uh, what else?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
uh listener you're a listener avid listener I'm an
avid listener to what you say,not to me, no, no I listen to
podcasts on mute and then I uh,no, I'm just hanging out, I'm
just chill.
You know, I did this, I putthis together.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I forgot to ask you if it was cool or not, but I
figured you sat down, so youagreed with it he tries to like
make it so who's you know seewho's going to look nice with
what they're wearing, which Ithink is very nice.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Thank you very much, thank you and his name is.
Sandro Yocolano and.
I smoke pot, and then I do thecouch.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
By the way, you're allowed to talk, say anything
you want.
You're just not on camera yet.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh, okay, yeah, but just so you know, just so you
know, I forgot to tell you, Ijust want to give you just right
now because I love you.
Uh-huh, you're giving like a.
You have a cocaine speak.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So bring it down.
A cocaine, okay, becauseobviously if we did cocaine, we
wouldn't be here.
That's way more fun than this,um, but uh, so I just want you
know.
I know you're excited, okay, Iknow that you just got a brand
new uh set of underwear.
They're really tight on you,but you just chill out, you're
good.
All right, you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Um, if we are doing coke speak, I would just maybe
do.
Would you like to start abusiness?
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
yeah, that's the best kind.
Yeah, and it's not just thecoke talking I, I promise.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's like the best thing right, I had
a boyfriend who wrote me thislong note.
We had stayed at a hotelsomewhere in like Glendora or
something.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Ooh Glendora.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, well, he hadn't completely separated from his
wife and he was like 12 yearsolder than me.
I didn't realize.
No, it was somewhere far away,glendela.
No, but he wrote.
He wrote me this long letterand, uh, this guy was in his 30s
.
And then, you know, after likeprofessing his love to me and
you know you're so this and thatand whatever, and you know I
was like 21 at the time orsomething like that and then he
(02:35):
wrote at the bottom he goes andthis isn't and he was serious as
a heart attack.
You wrote and this is not justthe coke talking which is always
a nice way to sign off on alove letter.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wait, are you guys scared?
You sound like you're on coke.
What's that did you just say?
You sound like you're on cokehe said, it sounds yeah, I was
teasing with you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, because I could tell you're excited, I'm
excited and I'm probably talkinga little faster because the art
next two episodes are going tobe.
We're just trying a new formatwhere we're going a little bit
less time, shorter, a little bitshorter, yeah, we're talking
faster.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
We're talking faster, but we're gonna impart the same
amount of informationdelusional things.
It's very kooky.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It says you know, it's all part of just what they
call filling time.
Got it and conversation andsuch, but no, that's hilarious
and that's just not the coketalking.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, he was so on coke that he actually wrote his
thoughts like I think it waseven on like a hotel, like one
of the hotel papers.
It was like the comfort inn oryou know yeah, oh man, yeah, oh
it was the embassy suites, oh mygod.
Well, you know the embassies.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They're big on coke.
Um, that's really funny that'sridiculous well, that's.
You know, that's a good storythat you have now.
Yeah, that's.
I'm glad that I brought up thefact that you sound like a
cokehead, because now we havethat story.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, that's perfect um well, uh, let's.
So now we have to cut ourinterest slightly shorter so uh,
do you have anything else you'dlike to say before we excuse
you?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
no, um, I will say that I'm excited for today's
podcast because this guest, uh,we got to perform in the same
comedy festival so that's prettydope, and that's it.
I'm excited to talk tocomedians.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, super excited, all right.
Well, coming to the couch rightnow is our special guest,
bridget Sell.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Hello, Hi, thanks for having me.
Thanks for arriving here.
I did arrive here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Thanks for arriving.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I made it to the building she actually made it
before we did so, which is notuncommon for us.
I went to catholic school, so,oh yeah, I want to get a demerit
or slapped on the wrist yeah,exactly late was like.
This is always a bad thing isit like was it super it?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
was just like they.
They made you feel horrible,like and like, like and at that
point in your life, like that isthe end of the world.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, as an adult, I'm really on time.
I feel like that's part of thetraining when you're working at
start the shame early.
Yeah, yeah, start the shameearly, that's on.
That's the school motto.
Yeah, exactly, purely well,this is cool.
Where did you come?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
from um to here.
Yeah, um, just my apartment,are you?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
not from california, though.
Oh no, I thought you no I know,I did mean the other thing.
See, I'm talking.
No, I'm not from, I'm not fromcalifornia.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I'm from uh, baltimore, maryland oh baltimore
, so grew up there, moved outhere 12 years ago and, yeah,
I've been doing comedy, but I'ma personal trainer see, I could
have, we could have includedthat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
All right, right, so cool.
Now we know.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean I talk about it all day.
We're good, it's kind of niceto just maybe.
I'll listen to you more, nah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
There's nothing.
I don't think I have anythingthat you don't know.
Nikki, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What's today's episode about.
I know it's going to save time.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Today's guest.
Yes, it is.
It's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Today's topic with our guest Bridget Sell is what
is biofilm?
The reason why I chose this isbecause I asked her if she had
any skin issues.
Yes, and you had mentioned thatyou had an issue.
Tell me about what your skinwas doing.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So OK, when I was in college I started to experience
like intense acne and wasimmediately put on Accutane and
I was.
They started to realize I wasAccutane resistant, which is
kind of rare but it does happen.
And what they did realize yearslater, when I went to a
different dermatologist, wasthat it was actually a bacteria
(06:25):
trapped under my skin and in avery deep layer that was
producing I think it's callednodules, no, nodules, nodules,
yeah um, that were like too deepto pick, but it was like the
bacteria kept recreating it'scystic right, it's cystic acne.
But it's from.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Basically, something was popped in college that
spread throughout a layer undermy skin that's why I always tell
you guys do not pop, do notpick, never, because it will
spread yeah, so it's called abiofilm, because it's not just
one zit.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like you.
You have like basically apoisoned layer of skin that's
intense.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy,because I remember crying at the
dermatologist because I waslike why is this getting worse
for macutane?
Yeah, so, yeah, then, um, Ijust it basically had to be
handled through what you do,which is just like intense
cleaning and and controlled.
(07:23):
Um, what's the thing where youpull it out?
Extract extractions that aren'tlike look, I just stuck a pin
in my face on your own face.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, exactly, or you ?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
know this doesn't want to come out, but I'm gonna
make it come out yeah, so likeyou know you go against
everything.
A skincare specialist wouldtell you not to do it's your own
face.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's a scorched earth campaign.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
yeah, you see it, you're like and then you feel.
Then you feel satisfied, likedoing it.
You don't think that you'retouching with your fingers and
moving it, or yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what you were eating
earlier, totally yeah, so it wasdefinitely a learning lesson.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I still haven't fully recovered, but it was like whoa
, just don't pick your face.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, don't, yeah that's a good lesson to every
single person out there.
Yeah, um, so I looked it upbecause I was like, what is
biofilm?
I had an idea of what it was,just in general, but I didn't
know how it related to skin somuch.
So, um, in my notes, uh, it's aprotective film layer that's
formed by communities ofbacteria, so you got to think of
(08:24):
it kind of like a bacteriabuilding a little slimy
apartment over a complex toprotect themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It is so slimy.
I know some of those slimewards.
I absolutely know them.
Slime wards.
Yeah, they come in.
They have the hair slicked back.
It's like those Lamisilcommercial where the germ is the
old Italian guy with the wifebeater.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He's like those Lamisil commercial where the
germ is the old Italian guy withthe wife beater.
He's like I'm going to go intoyour nails.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That's what lives at the biofilm.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's why we let them in because they're toxic.
Yeah, exactly, they're so toxic.
You get it.
You understand me?
Just slimy little toxic whoreswe understand each other.
If it was clean and tidy, wewould just be like we're like no
, not fun you have to havesomething to do.
I get it yeah, like fight, okayit's sticky.
So okay, yeah, so it's sticky.
What'd you say?
I just saw it's sticky oh yeah,it's sticky.
(09:12):
Um.
It's often invisible becauseit's under the skin and it's
made of proteins,polysaccharides and your dna.
And what it does is it allowsthe bacteria underneath to
communicate and share resistance.
And so all of the littlebacterias are talking, saying,
hey, we're not going to be,we're going to be resistant to
the things that are coming inhere.
It's like a little network, andso it can hide from your immune
(09:34):
cells.
It resists antibiotics and,like you were saying, it resists
accutane at times yeah, whicheveryone is like.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's a miracle worker , like those fake instagram
things where they've had so muchacne and then suddenly they're
perfect yeah, I don't thinkthose are real ever with the
acutane.
Yeah yeah, I'm like.
I don't think anybody's justnow has no scars from it,
nothing, yeah, you know that'sdefinitely the perception that
wants you, they want out there.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It's like, oh my god, look at how beautiful.
All I had to do is take thismagical uh prescription filter
on my face.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Prescription filter, yeah exactly, but also not to
like disregard the fact thatwhen you're on accutane, you
have to get blood work once aweek once that's right totally
and you have.
They recommend a therapistbecause most people are suicidal
on it how did?
You do, uh, I, I took myselfyeah, because the reason why you
(10:26):
feel that way is because itflares up everything.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But then if it can't clean it up, it's just created a
mess I have a theory that, likeit shrinks down like your
glands and maybe even some oflike your, maybe like your, the
glands that control, like yourhormones and glands, and then
like in your brain, and sotherefore, it would make you
depressed yeah, that could betrue because all your you know,
these are all oil glands and soif it's drying out, why would it
(10:51):
just directly only go to theskin?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
yeah, I mean, I was 21 when I took it, so I didn't
quite understand, like thescience behind, why it caused
depression or like what exactlyit even did.
I just thought, thought like,oh, here's the thing that's
going to fix everything.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, that's how they market it, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, for sure.
It's like the miracle drug.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Oh, I was going to say something else about it, but
we'll come back to it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's good improv, by the way.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The shrinking of the glands.
I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Also, what did you say?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh, I said that's good improv.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Which one?
Yeah, we're doing bad improv.
I like the flow here.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's another good improv at the end.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I like the flow here.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, cool flow you just acknowledge the improv as
it's happening.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right.
So let's go on to how does itform in your acne?
So if you have acne-prone proneskin, which I'm assuming that
you did, there's certaindifferent types of bacteria that
get trapped in your um, yourpores that are filled with sebum
.
Cool, not the other thing funthat's the oil um.
So instead of being killedbecause the little biofilms
(11:59):
around them that you aren't ableto get in there and I know
there's other things in the bodythat can I feel like what's the
girl that was climbing all overthe thing and she was telling
us about somatic?
She sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think she was talking about a biofilm as well,
maybe in your gut.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
In your gut.
Yes, that was Sue Gisser.
Sue Gisser, that's right.
Yeah, Interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So it's not limited to just the skin.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, because I feel like I've heard it in other
realms.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a movie, like a Mad Max
movie.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I thought it was a Pauly Shore movie.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I thought it was biofilm.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The whole time I was like oh man.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I guess what happens is they can form really
deep inside your pores, like youwere saying, which is causing
the cystic acne, because they'reclogged.
And so if it's clogged, you'regoing to put saran wrap over it.
It's not going to have a chanceto breathe and uh and heal, you
can't get air to it, it's notgoing to heal.
Yeah, did you try to?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
pick them.
So I did try to pick them.
Um, I will say we'll get to.
We'll get to my currentsituation okay, yes, right yes,
but a topical cream did start tohelp oh okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
good, so when we get to like the things that help
yeah yeah, it's the topicalcream that always helps.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I'll give you that hint.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's so topical.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, it's just such a topical topical.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's too timely.
It's kind of the like the mostfamous topical.
All right, I have a feeling Iknow what it is.
Yeah, I think you do too.
Okay, I like how confident youare, that I think you do too.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, you said you've been doing this for what?
25 years, something like that.
Yeah, I definitely know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I hope so, but maybe not.
You never know.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
There's a lot of stuff I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, so that's why the topical products and even
the oral medications aren't ableto get in there, because you
can't really get inside the the,the poor.
So basically that's yeah,whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's another good improv.
Yeah, that also works.
Being less anxious helps.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yes, yes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, so why does it create Accutane resistance?
So Accutane reduces your sebumand it shrinks your oil glands,
like we were saying, and it'sgoing to also change the cell
turnover in your skin.
But if the little bacterias arehiding, did you have something
you wanted to add?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, I was just going to say the cell turnover.
Is that like an apple turnover?
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I wasn.
Is that like an apple turnover?
Yes, delicious, it is lessdelicious, okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm so glad you asked me what I was going to say.
I love the crust on those two.
They're really good.
Right Now I'm hungry.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, me too.
Okay, so, yeah.
So it can't get inside, which Ialready said.
It's also going to block theimmune cells, but it's going to
make the inflammation even more.
It's fighting, it's trying toget out of you I like I had
never looked worse on it reallyyeah, it almost.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It made it worse whoa , I went on accutane and it
caused a flare-up that I didn'teven have before, and then
that's how they left things.
Guess you're accutane resistant?
Oh thanks, oh wow, no, that'snice I had just gotten into
acting school out here, so I wasmoving out here from Baltimore.
Oh my God, I'm just like now.
I want to be an actress.
I can't even be on film.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You're like hi, I'm here for acting school.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I know, I just remember being like of all the
times.
For that it was like anightmare.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's awful.
And you Like what's life?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The drama was real.
So sorry, this is sointeresting, though, Like I
really didn't do the research, Iwas just like guess a biofilm
sucks.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, sounds terrible, dude did you.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think that's all you needed to know at the time.
Yeah, I'm like thanks for doingthis research.
I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No problem, I was so excited I started my work.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
They just like checked off a board with a box
on it Like Accutane no work.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, they don't even know what it is, they're just
like, it's just what it says.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They're like sorry about that, have a nice life.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's very typical dermatologist.
They just they give yousomething to do and it either
works or it doesn't work.
They treat the there, you goall right, so let's move on.
Um, so yeah, so it comes back,if it, if it goes away at all,
it will come back in months, um,because it's not destroyed.
Okay, so signs that you mayhave a biofilm related acne,
(16:25):
signs you may have a biofilmrelated acne.
That's what we're going to putat the very bottom yes, so deep
cystic acne that never comes toa head right yeah, it is so
frustrating.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
It's like sex without finishing yes, all night.
I don't know how to say it whydoesn't it poke through?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah it, it's like look I'm coming to a head, but
just kidding, I'm seven layersdeep it's horrifying, oh man, uh
so breakouts that flare upduring stress but resist the
treatments.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Congestion that's a big word for it yeah, and then
long-term congestion in the samespots.
So if you're having likedifferent but that also can be
from certain things that aregoing inside your body, like
this is usually like a hormonalspot, right but then you're
having recurrences of thosethings in those areas yeah, it's
, it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I deal with flare-ups all the time you'll.
You're giving me a facial onsaturday.
You're gonna be like what am Ilooking at?
No, no, no, I know, I know whatI'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, so in skin that only responds uh, temporarily,
uh temporarily to antibiotics oraccutane, is a sign that you
might have the biofilm.
Um, and if your acne improveswith detox, gut healing, uh,
which we were talking about, andjust inflammatory protocols,
I'm not sure what protocolsthose are.
I'm not a doctor, but sobasically, if you've got a bunch
(17:47):
of jawline breakouts that feeldeep and painful, it's very
likely there could be a biofilminvolved, and what's funny is it
almost mimics like and it feelslike swollen hair follicles.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's kind of what it mimics, I mean granted,
a hair follicle is a pore, butit feels like I would just have
a beard.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That's what I would always say, like this is what a
beard would be you know, you geta beard of zits.
Yeah, but is what a beard wouldbe?
You know you get a beard ofzits, yeah, but it's a beard of
zits.
So you like I don't wonder,like is my face trying to have a
beard?
Like for years I was like is myface just like I want to have a
beard, but you're a woman, Idon't know what to tell you.
You want to get in touch withyour Mediterranean side Exactly,
(18:31):
and I did have like chin hair,so I was like maybe it's really
trying hard to be a beard.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, that's what I'm saying.
It's hormones.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
There wasn't hormonal imbalance going on, totally,
totally, I mean, and I've alwayshad, like I mean, a lot of
girls have chin hair, but likeyeah, it was just.
It got to a point where I waslike it feels like it's just a
combination of just like swollenhair, follicles and acne and it
just was like who am I?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
oh my god, it's like folliculitis, but you were
saying.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But like you're saying too, every pore is a hair
follicle yeah, it's like youkind of have to remember like
lots of things can happen inthere yeah, exactly, it's a
party.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They don't just go straight down either, they go
like this.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, oh yeah, I have one that's just stuck in here
and it's so deep and I'll neverget it.
Damn it, and I can kind of seeit.
It looks kind of like the alienin independence day it wants to
come out, but the glass isdesigned for it to never leave.
Oh man, that's what I'm dealingwith.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I've had those here and when I was younger I would
just whatever it took to get itwithout slicing my throat open.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I was like it's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm like now I'm like oh, just leave it alone, just
cut your own head off?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
yeah, pretty much.
There's a hair sticking out ofmy neck, yeah, like a ponytail,
yeah all right so I guess, um,we're doing really good on time,
so what can?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
be, that's good improv too.
Yeah, we're doing really goodon time.
Really I love that answer.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's like you sound like you sound like a dad on a
car trip.
We're doing good on time.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We're doing great on time For who, whatever for me, I
love you too.
I know I love you too.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's cute.
I didn't know you guys weretogether until the intro which
was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
How long have we been together?
We have time to ask this.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I would say at least 13 years.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We can't figure it out.
Did you guys meet on the sceneLike comedy yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh cool.
We met at Rock Paper, the Nikeright.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I feel like 13 years ago the scene was probably so
much better.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It was just more community.
I would say that Everybody'smore out for themselves now
Makes me sad.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Are you talking about just in shows?
I used to work at Burt's BackRoom before the pandemic and
that felt like, okay, makes mesad.
Yeah, and all that are youtalking about?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
like just in show.
Well, like I used to work atbert's back room, like before
the pandemic and that felt likethe high school of comics like
everybody was there with theirbackpacks, like everybody had a
different hosting hour andeverybody was kind of on the
same shows and like now it feelslike oh cool that she got that
show and but like you don't knowanybody else, and it's just
kind of like everybody stoppedbeing as like close what do you
(20:55):
think?
happened.
I think the pandemic happenedand I think people the pool got
way bigger because during thepandemic that girl was like I
think I'm gonna do comedy yeah,yeah, yeah, you know, and that
guy was like I'm pretty damnfunny you know so now that those
12 year olds have decided to docomedy.
I mean, I'm not trying to bebitter, but like the kids are
(21:16):
killing it these days they'reall just different versions of
vine stars and you're a childit's killing me.
I'm like I'm 36 and I'm jealousof you.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They have chat gbt writing their jokes.
So it's not.
Yeah, these kids are.
Yeah, these kids are born withai.
Have you tried that?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
though I'm I'm really bad at technology like this,
it's really talented thatsomebody can do this she's
referring to cameras when he waslike setting it up and he was
like, yeah, that's what we dohere.
I was like that is a greatprofession, really, really smart
people like my mom doesn't evenhave a laptop, like we're my
(21:53):
mom and I are just like we don't.
Cool.
What's ChatGPT?
Can I Google it?
Can you tweet it?
Is it a tweet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's going to change your life.
Yeah, my sister called me theother day.
She goes okay, this has changedmy life forever.
She had like a legal issue.
Oh yeah, and I mean I've askedit so many different things
relationship problems, uh, youknow anything you can think of.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Isn't it like sucking away from the universe, though,
and like pockets, or something?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
is it.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Somebody told me it's using energy that like we can't
get back.
Oh, god I mean apparentlysaying please and thank you to
it, like uses millions of likeyeah, that's what they say like
I don't understand how thatworks, but I just heard that.
I think it's just a cumulativeof like that actually going yeah
yeah, it's like excess okay,like it's like the old saying,
like if something comes tooeasily, something else is being
(22:44):
trained you know, that's trueyeah, but yeah so you ask it
questions, and I I mean caitlin,who's been on this podcast
before, says it.
It's like really good at advice.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It really, is really good, like in between therapies.
I'm on it all the time.
Unbiased advice, unbiased.
Do you still go to a?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
person for therapy.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, okay, I wouldn't recommend giving up on
that.
Yeah, and we have a couplescounselor as well.
Good.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Good.
I believe in therapy.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Just don no life experience and fake empathy.
Yeah, and they.
It's actually an echo chamberchat gbt.
They're more so I heard tellingyou what, what you are like
okay, yeah, it's just like youlike to hear this, so I'm gonna
say this you know, okay, sothat's how it's like learning
yeah, it's kind of learning you.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It does learn you.
Yeah fun, yeah, you should tryit.
Yeah, I mean you should try tolearn me, I should learn you.
Okay, good, I'll.
I mean you should try to learnme, I should try to learn you.
Okay, good, I'll do that, I'lltry to learn you.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I was going to say because if I don't Chat, gbt's
got it wrong, because I don'teven trust myself.
Yeah, so it has no idea whatit's saying to me.
Yeah, like I worry for the dayfor chat gbt, gbt.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
She loves me more, yeah.
Yeah, here's a nice wordly,wordly, timely letter that's got
chappy gbt, chat, gbt.
Is it gbt or gpt?
I think I just had an ai glitchI think you might I think are
you a robot?
Yeah, blink twice.
I don't think I'd know if I was.
That's kind of true yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right.
So what can be done aboutbiofilm?
So obviously I'm not a doctor,there's no miracle fixes, but
what?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You're not a doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I forgot, did I not tell you that I'm not a doctor?
Well, all right, we'll talkabout it later.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
That's like second date talk, it is.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's a pirate flag.
It's not a red flag.
What's that?
It's a pirate flag, not a redflag.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, oh my God, so you can use a few different
things that are biofilmdisruptors.
You want to disrupt them?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So enzymes like bromelain, something called
natokinase.
I'm not sure what that one is,but I know bromelain is made.
From what is it?
Is it papaya or pineapple?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Might be pineapple.
I'm learning, I'm likebromelain sounds like a Harry
Potter house or name orsomething.
It does sound like that,bromelain, come in here, you
know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So basically like a fruit enzyme peel, cool.
So it digests the dead skin andit gets in there so it's able
to sort of work into your skin alittle bit.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I like the word digest yeah, digest, is you want
it to just go away like pac-man, just get at it yeah um so
sulfur and iodine basedcleansers.
I'm not sure why the iodine,but the sulfur I know is sort of
anti-inflammatory yeah, Ialways wonder what sulfur is for
skin, because I I know is itsulfate Like.
Is that the same thing?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know.
Like sodium, lauryl sulfate isa different animal altogether.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Okay cool, Because you know you don't want that in
your shampoo.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, you do not want that Sulfur is like when you go
to those baths that you sit in.
It's a sulfur bath.
Oh sulfur, you know like yeah,yeah, kind of smells like like
farting.
Yeah, I mean, I think of why Idon't eat eggs it's because I
(25:56):
don't want sulfur.
Oh yeah, oh right, yeah, butit's good for you apparently all
right.
So essential oils that havepenetrating ability interesting
yeah, okay, tea tree oil,oregano, um, and both of those
use really sparingly.
You usually want to put it witha carrier, like a jojoba oil,
or if you're going to do it,just put it just on the actual
place that you want it, becauseit'll dry the shit out of your
skin.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, tea tree oil isn't kidding yeah, did you use
a lot of that.
Uh no, I had a boyfriend whoused it on a cyst or on a skin
tag and I didn't like whathappened to that skin tag whoa
really what happened.
It just it.
It uh burned his skin and thenit uh it left a scar.
Oh, wow so he probably put toomuch on because he wasn't very
(26:36):
smart.
But like I do also, that didscare me into, like I don't want
to hurt my skin.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Oh my god, you have all the lessons today to learn
from.
I've learned so much in theworst way.
It's just so sad well, I'm soglad you were able to come yeah,
I know, I'm like really gettingeducated right now.
I'm loving it so, as far asinternal help, you can take nac
um, that's a new thing thatpeople are talking about or
they're getting like nac, Ithink like ibis berberine I'm
(27:05):
not sure what that is, but guthealth support and you,
basically, you want to like um,you want to increase like the
good gut bacteria and then Iguess it will help to get you
know I heard like water, likeone thing that was recommended
to me as far as like eating waswatercress oh interesting, yeah,
like they were like they saidthat that'll help your gut.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
If that's what's causing the inflammation in your
face.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I know why I think it's a prebiotic.
Okay, just like apples are aprebiotic, it makes the
environment for the new gutbacteria a good place to live.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
There you go Like a good flora fauna balancing act
happening.
But yeah, I remember I triedeverything.
I'm sure you poor thing.
Yeah, I mean I still deal withit.
But like I go to adermatologist and she's like you
don't have any like active acneright now.
You just kind of have like abit of a graveyard.
Which is cool that she saidthat.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She's like like ghosts come around every once in
a while, but it's not superactive, Great.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thanks, you're the best.
Where do I write the check to?
Okay, so, and then professionalhelp there, you go, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I say get help.
It's very general Talk tosomeone Anyone.
Yeah, you need a plumber, I getit.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Like what?
There's certain things that anesthetician can do, like a
chemical peel, a high frequency,which is like a little zapper,
and that gets it.
Did you ever have anything withthat?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
oh, I mean I can tell you everything I did.
Yeah, I mean I did like zapperstuff during, like facials but,
then I started doing like fraxel, something called decadot, yeah
, um, just things that basicallycause trauma to your skin so
that it would rush to form newcollagen okay I also get
microneedling every three months, but the big thing, that kind
(28:57):
of kicked me off was retinol.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Is it the prescription?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
um yes it was the like the cream.
So after so what?
What my doctor did was shefirst did a decadot treatment,
which was like the severe trauma, and then, when that was done
and I, this new layer was kindof revealed, she had me doing
the um retinol, uh, two nights aweek.
(29:25):
It was a very strong retinol.
Okay to the point where I gotwhat they call the retinol
uglies where, like everything,you look like a deadpool, kind
of like things are just comingup.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh, it's like bringing stuff to the surface
and you're peeling.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's like a real turnover, you're peeling things
are coming to the surface andand you things look kind of
scurry or like it looks likemelasma a little okay so.
But then it starts to kind ofsettle down.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But first it's like trauma on top of trauma on top
of ah, it gets worse before itgets better.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yes, but I did it during the pandemic, which was a
great time.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Perfect timing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I was like I don't have to see anyone else.
I was staying at my parentsbecause I could do work from
home, so it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I love that.
I'm so glad you have it undercontrol.
Yeah, I have it more undercontrol.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's still a fight every day because I don't want
anyone to think like I beat it.
Good luck.
You know I still, I still geteverything done possible.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
There's no hope, yeah .
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So you know, there's no hope for you.
No, but it really is a battle.
Like I respect people that,like one thing I have been
missing, though, which istotally serendipitous is the
girl that I used to go to for myface moved to Palm Springs and
I haven't had a facial in a yearand a half oh my god, I know
it's time.
Yeah, we'll get you.
It'll be fun.
Like when you were like I doall this, I was like where have
you been.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I told Caitlin I was like yeah, caitlin, apparently
Nikki does this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
She was like oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you
about that.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I was like dude, that's such a hilarious
expression.
I was like dude.
I'm like do you know a friendthat can help me with my jaw?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
He's also a facialist .
She was like.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I got to think on that I can't All right, I'm
going to have a little chat withher.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, a little test we're at the moment where the
parking lot turns into metermaids.
So where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
online, you can find me sorry to cut you off.
I'm trying to be quick no, good, good come on man at Bridget
sell comic.
That's my Instagram and.
Bridget is spelled like BridgetJones.
Sell is spelled like buy andsell Bridget sell spelled like
Bridget Jones Cell is spelledlike buy and sell Bridget Cell
comic very funny comic.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Definitely follow her .
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think she needs to come back for a part two on some
stuff.
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I live right down the street.
Perfect, I live on Laurel.
Make sure you tell everybody on.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Laurel.
Oh my God, Make sure you telleverybody on there there's a
Laurel can, of course, of course, all right, so this is going to
be out Wednesday at 3 ambecause we don't have any in the
bank, and we'll see you guysnext week.
Bye, bye.
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I've been doing skincare for 25years and you don't need to
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know how long I've been doingcomedy for, because then you'll
be like why isn't she better?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You don't know, I don't know, know either, but I'm
glad that you got all theinformation right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
that's good, that's correct oh, hit the subscribe
button if you like comedy andskin care, because that's what
we do.
We're the only podcast outthere that I know that does
comedy and skin care.
I refuse to know any otherpodcast yeah, unless somebody
copies me immediately and justout of spite, and with me is
always is my boyfriend sherpaset decorator?
Uh, what else?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
uh listener you're a listener avid listener I'm an
avid listener to what you say,not to me, no, no I listen to
podcasts on mute and then I uh,no, I'm just hanging out, I'm
just chill.
You know, I did this, I putthis together.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I forgot to ask you if it was cool or not, but I
figured you sat down, so youagreed with it he tries to like
make it so who's you know seewho's going to look nice with
what they're wearing, which Ithink is very nice.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Thank you very much, thank you and his name is.
Sandro Yocolano and.
I smoke pot, and then I do thecouch.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
By the way, you're allowed to talk, say anything
you want.
You're just not on camera yet.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh, okay, yeah, but just so you know, just so you
know, I forgot to tell you, Ijust want to give you just right
now because I love you.
Uh-huh, you're giving like a.
You have a cocaine speak.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So bring it down.
A cocaine, okay, becauseobviously if we did cocaine, we
wouldn't be here.
That's way more fun than this,um, but uh, so I just want you
know.
I know you're excited, okay, Iknow that you just got a brand
new uh set of underwear.
They're really tight on you,but you just chill out, you're
good.
All right, you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Um, if we are doing coke speak, I would just maybe
do.
Would you like to start abusiness?
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
yeah, that's the best kind.
Yeah, and it's not just thecoke talking I, I promise.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's like the best thing right, I had
a boyfriend who wrote me thislong note.
We had stayed at a hotelsomewhere in like Glendora or
something.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Ooh Glendora.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, well, he hadn't completely separated from his
wife and he was like 12 yearsolder than me.
I didn't realize.
No, it was somewhere far away,glendela.
No, but he wrote.
He wrote me this long letterand, uh, this guy was in his 30s
.
And then, you know, after likeprofessing his love to me and
you know you're so this and thatand whatever, and you know I
was like 21 at the time orsomething like that and then he
(02:35):
wrote at the bottom he goes andthis isn't and he was serious as
a heart attack.
You wrote and this is not justthe coke talking which is always
a nice way to sign off on alove letter.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wait, are you guys scared?
You sound like you're on coke.
What's that did you just say?
You sound like you're on cokehe said, it sounds yeah, I was
teasing with you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, because I could tell you're excited, I'm
excited and I'm probably talkinga little faster because the art
next two episodes are going tobe.
We're just trying a new formatwhere we're going a little bit
less time, shorter, a little bitshorter, yeah, we're talking
faster.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
We're talking faster, but we're gonna impart the same
amount of informationdelusional things.
It's very kooky.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It says you know, it's all part of just what they
call filling time.
Got it and conversation andsuch, but no, that's hilarious
and that's just not the coketalking.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, he was so on coke that he actually wrote his
thoughts like I think it waseven on like a hotel, like one
of the hotel papers.
It was like the comfort inn oryou know yeah, oh man, yeah, oh
it was the embassy suites, oh mygod.
Well, you know the embassies.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They're big on coke.
Um, that's really funny that'sridiculous well, that's.
You know, that's a good storythat you have now.
Yeah, that's.
I'm glad that I brought up thefact that you sound like a
cokehead, because now we havethat story.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, that's perfect um well, uh, let's.
So now we have to cut ourinterest slightly shorter so uh,
do you have anything else you'dlike to say before we excuse
you?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
no, um, I will say that I'm excited for today's
podcast because this guest, uh,we got to perform in the same
comedy festival so that's prettydope, and that's it.
I'm excited to talk tocomedians.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, super excited, all right.
Well, coming to the couch rightnow is our special guest,
bridget Sell.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Hello, Hi, thanks for having me.
Thanks for arriving here.
I did arrive here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Thanks for arriving.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I made it to the building she actually made it
before we did so, which is notuncommon for us.
I went to catholic school, so,oh yeah, I want to get a demerit
or slapped on the wrist yeah,exactly late was like.
This is always a bad thing isit like was it super it?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
was just like they.
They made you feel horrible,like and like, like and at that
point in your life, like that isthe end of the world.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, as an adult, I'm really on time.
I feel like that's part of thetraining when you're working at
start the shame early.
Yeah, yeah, start the shameearly, that's on.
That's the school motto.
Yeah, exactly, purely well,this is cool.
Where did you come?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
from um to here.
Yeah, um, just my apartment,are you?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
not from california, though.
Oh no, I thought you no I know,I did mean the other thing.
See, I'm talking.
No, I'm not from, I'm not fromcalifornia.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I'm from uh, baltimore, maryland oh baltimore
, so grew up there, moved outhere 12 years ago and, yeah,
I've been doing comedy, but I'ma personal trainer see, I could
have, we could have includedthat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
All right, right, so cool.
Now we know.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean I talk about it all day.
We're good, it's kind of niceto just maybe.
I'll listen to you more, nah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
There's nothing.
I don't think I have anythingthat you don't know.
Nikki, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What's today's episode about.
I know it's going to save time.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Today's guest.
Yes, it is.
It's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Today's topic with our guest Bridget Sell is what
is biofilm?
The reason why I chose this isbecause I asked her if she had
any skin issues.
Yes, and you had mentioned thatyou had an issue.
Tell me about what your skinwas doing.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So OK, when I was in college I started to experience
like intense acne and wasimmediately put on Accutane and
I was.
They started to realize I wasAccutane resistant, which is
kind of rare but it does happen.
And what they did realize yearslater, when I went to a
different dermatologist, wasthat it was actually a bacteria
(06:25):
trapped under my skin and in avery deep layer that was
producing I think it's callednodules, no, nodules, nodules,
yeah um, that were like too deepto pick, but it was like the
bacteria kept recreating it'scystic right, it's cystic acne.
But it's from.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Basically, something was popped in college that
spread throughout a layer undermy skin that's why I always tell
you guys do not pop, do notpick, never, because it will
spread yeah, so it's called abiofilm, because it's not just
one zit.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like you.
You have like basically apoisoned layer of skin that's
intense.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy,because I remember crying at the
dermatologist because I waslike why is this getting worse
for macutane?
Yeah, so, yeah, then, um, Ijust it basically had to be
handled through what you do,which is just like intense
cleaning and and controlled.
(07:23):
Um, what's the thing where youpull it out?
Extract extractions that aren'tlike look, I just stuck a pin
in my face on your own face.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, exactly, or you ?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
know this doesn't want to come out, but I'm gonna
make it come out yeah, so likeyou know you go against
everything.
A skincare specialist wouldtell you not to do it's your own
face.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's a scorched earth campaign.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
yeah, you see it, you're like and then you feel.
Then you feel satisfied, likedoing it.
You don't think that you'retouching with your fingers and
moving it, or yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what you were eating
earlier, totally yeah, so it wasdefinitely a learning lesson.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I still haven't fully recovered, but it was like whoa
, just don't pick your face.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, don't, yeah that's a good lesson to every
single person out there.
Yeah, um, so I looked it upbecause I was like, what is
biofilm?
I had an idea of what it was,just in general, but I didn't
know how it related to skin somuch.
So, um, in my notes, uh, it's aprotective film layer that's
formed by communities ofbacteria, so you got to think of
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it kind of like a bacteriabuilding a little slimy
apartment over a complex toprotect themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It is so slimy.
I know some of those slimewards.
I absolutely know them.
Slime wards.
Yeah, they come in.
They have the hair slicked back.
It's like those Lamisilcommercial where the germ is the
old Italian guy with the wifebeater.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He's like those Lamisil commercial where the
germ is the old Italian guy withthe wife beater.
He's like I'm going to go intoyour nails.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That's what lives at the biofilm.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's why we let them in because they're toxic.
Yeah, exactly, they're so toxic.
You get it.
You understand me?
Just slimy little toxic whoreswe understand each other.
If it was clean and tidy, wewould just be like we're like no
, not fun you have to havesomething to do.
I get it yeah, like fight, okayit's sticky.
So okay, yeah, so it's sticky.
What'd you say?
I just saw it's sticky oh yeah,it's sticky.
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Um.
It's often invisible becauseit's under the skin and it's
made of proteins,polysaccharides and your dna.
And what it does is it allowsthe bacteria underneath to
communicate and share resistance.
And so all of the littlebacterias are talking, saying,
hey, we're not going to be,we're going to be resistant to
the things that are coming inhere.
It's like a little network, andso it can hide from your immune
(09:34):
cells.
It resists antibiotics and,like you were saying, it resists
accutane at times yeah, whicheveryone is like.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's a miracle worker , like those fake instagram
things where they've had so muchacne and then suddenly they're
perfect yeah, I don't thinkthose are real ever with the
acutane.
Yeah yeah, I'm like.
I don't think anybody's justnow has no scars from it,
nothing, yeah, you know that'sdefinitely the perception that
wants you, they want out there.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It's like, oh my god, look at how beautiful.
All I had to do is take thismagical uh prescription filter
on my face.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Prescription filter, yeah exactly, but also not to
like disregard the fact thatwhen you're on accutane, you
have to get blood work once aweek once that's right totally
and you have.
They recommend a therapistbecause most people are suicidal
on it how did?
You do, uh, I, I took myselfyeah, because the reason why you
(10:26):
feel that way is because itflares up everything.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But then if it can't clean it up, it's just created a
mess I have a theory that, likeit shrinks down like your
glands and maybe even some oflike your, maybe like your, the
glands that control, like yourhormones and glands, and then
like in your brain, and sotherefore, it would make you
depressed yeah, that could betrue because all your you know,
these are all oil glands and soif it's drying out, why would it
(10:51):
just directly only go to theskin?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
yeah, I mean, I was 21 when I took it, so I didn't
quite understand, like thescience behind, why it caused
depression or like what exactlyit even did.
I just thought, thought like,oh, here's the thing that's
going to fix everything.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, that's how they market it, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, for sure.
It's like the miracle drug.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Oh, I was going to say something else about it, but
we'll come back to it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's good improv, by the way.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The shrinking of the glands.
I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Also, what did you say?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh, I said that's good improv.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Which one?
Yeah, we're doing bad improv.
I like the flow here.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's another good improv at the end.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I like the flow here.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, cool flow you just acknowledge the improv as
it's happening.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right.
So let's go on to how does itform in your acne?
So if you have acne-prone proneskin, which I'm assuming that
you did, there's certaindifferent types of bacteria that
get trapped in your um, yourpores that are filled with sebum
.
Cool, not the other thing funthat's the oil um.
So instead of being killedbecause the little biofilms
(11:59):
around them that you aren't ableto get in there and I know
there's other things in the bodythat can I feel like what's the
girl that was climbing all overthe thing and she was telling
us about somatic?
She sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think she was talking about a biofilm as well,
maybe in your gut.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
In your gut.
Yes, that was Sue Gisser.
Sue Gisser, that's right.
Yeah, Interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So it's not limited to just the skin.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, because I feel like I've heard it in other
realms.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a movie, like a Mad Max
movie.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I thought it was a Pauly Shore movie.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I thought it was biofilm.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The whole time I was like oh man.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I guess what happens is they can form really
deep inside your pores, like youwere saying, which is causing
the cystic acne, because they'reclogged.
And so if it's clogged, you'regoing to put saran wrap over it.
It's not going to have a chanceto breathe and uh and heal, you
can't get air to it, it's notgoing to heal.
Yeah, did you try to?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
pick them.
So I did try to pick them.
Um, I will say we'll get to.
We'll get to my currentsituation okay, yes, right yes,
but a topical cream did start tohelp oh okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
good, so when we get to like the things that help
yeah yeah, it's the topicalcream that always helps.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I'll give you that hint.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's so topical.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, it's just such a topical topical.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's too timely.
It's kind of the like the mostfamous topical.
All right, I have a feeling Iknow what it is.
Yeah, I think you do too.
Okay, I like how confident youare, that I think you do too.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, you said you've been doing this for what?
25 years, something like that.
Yeah, I definitely know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I hope so, but maybe not.
You never know.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
There's a lot of stuff I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, so that's why the topical products and even
the oral medications aren't ableto get in there, because you
can't really get inside the the,the poor.
So basically that's yeah,whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's another good improv.
Yeah, that also works.
Being less anxious helps.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yes, yes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, so why does it create Accutane resistance?
So Accutane reduces your sebumand it shrinks your oil glands,
like we were saying, and it'sgoing to also change the cell
turnover in your skin.
But if the little bacterias arehiding, did you have something
you wanted to add?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, I was just going to say the cell turnover.
Is that like an apple turnover?
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I wasn.
Is that like an apple turnover?
Yes, delicious, it is lessdelicious, okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm so glad you asked me what I was going to say.
I love the crust on those two.
They're really good.
Right Now I'm hungry.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, me too.
Okay, so, yeah.
So it can't get inside, which Ialready said.
It's also going to block theimmune cells, but it's going to
make the inflammation even more.
It's fighting, it's trying toget out of you I like I had
never looked worse on it reallyyeah, it almost.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It made it worse whoa , I went on accutane and it
caused a flare-up that I didn'teven have before, and then
that's how they left things.
Guess you're accutane resistant?
Oh thanks, oh wow, no, that'snice I had just gotten into
acting school out here, so I wasmoving out here from Baltimore.
Oh my God, I'm just like now.
I want to be an actress.
I can't even be on film.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You're like hi, I'm here for acting school.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I know, I just remember being like of all the
times.
For that it was like anightmare.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's awful.
And you Like what's life?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The drama was real.
So sorry, this is sointeresting, though, Like I
really didn't do the research, Iwas just like guess a biofilm
sucks.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, sounds terrible, dude did you.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think that's all you needed to know at the time.
Yeah, I'm like thanks for doingthis research.
I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No problem, I was so excited I started my work.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
They just like checked off a board with a box
on it Like Accutane no work.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, they don't even know what it is, they're just
like, it's just what it says.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They're like sorry about that, have a nice life.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's very typical dermatologist.
They just they give yousomething to do and it either
works or it doesn't work.
They treat the there, you goall right, so let's move on.
Um, so yeah, so it comes back,if it, if it goes away at all,
it will come back in months, um,because it's not destroyed.
Okay, so signs that you mayhave a biofilm related acne,
(16:25):
signs you may have a biofilmrelated acne.
That's what we're going to putat the very bottom yes, so deep
cystic acne that never comes toa head right yeah, it is so
frustrating.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
It's like sex without finishing yes, all night.
I don't know how to say it whydoesn't it poke through?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah it, it's like look I'm coming to a head, but
just kidding, I'm seven layersdeep it's horrifying, oh man, uh
so breakouts that flare upduring stress but resist the
treatments.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Congestion that's a big word for it yeah, and then
long-term congestion in the samespots.
So if you're having likedifferent but that also can be
from certain things that aregoing inside your body, like
this is usually like a hormonalspot, right but then you're
having recurrences of thosethings in those areas yeah, it's
, it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I deal with flare-ups all the time you'll.
You're giving me a facial onsaturday.
You're gonna be like what am Ilooking at?
No, no, no, I know, I know whatI'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, so in skin that only responds uh, temporarily,
uh temporarily to antibiotics oraccutane, is a sign that you
might have the biofilm.
Um, and if your acne improveswith detox, gut healing, uh,
which we were talking about, andjust inflammatory protocols,
I'm not sure what protocolsthose are.
I'm not a doctor, but sobasically, if you've got a bunch
(17:47):
of jawline breakouts that feeldeep and painful, it's very
likely there could be a biofilminvolved, and what's funny is it
almost mimics like and it feelslike swollen hair follicles.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's kind of what it mimics, I mean granted,
a hair follicle is a pore, butit feels like I would just have
a beard.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That's what I would always say, like this is what a
beard would be you know, you geta beard of zits.
Yeah, but is what a beard wouldbe?
You know you get a beard ofzits, yeah, but it's a beard of
zits.
So you like I don't wonder,like is my face trying to have a
beard?
Like for years I was like is myface just like I want to have a
beard, but you're a woman, Idon't know what to tell you.
You want to get in touch withyour Mediterranean side Exactly,
(18:31):
and I did have like chin hair,so I was like maybe it's really
trying hard to be a beard.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, that's what I'm saying.
It's hormones.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
There wasn't hormonal imbalance going on, totally,
totally, I mean, and I've alwayshad, like I mean, a lot of
girls have chin hair, but likeyeah, it was just.
It got to a point where I waslike it feels like it's just a
combination of just like swollenhair, follicles and acne and it
just was like who am I?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
oh my god, it's like folliculitis, but you were
saying.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But like you're saying too, every pore is a hair
follicle yeah, it's like youkind of have to remember like
lots of things can happen inthere yeah, exactly, it's a
party.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They don't just go straight down either, they go
like this.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, oh yeah, I have one that's just stuck in here
and it's so deep and I'll neverget it.
Damn it, and I can kind of seeit.
It looks kind of like the alienin independence day it wants to
come out, but the glass isdesigned for it to never leave.
Oh man, that's what I'm dealingwith.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I've had those here and when I was younger I would
just whatever it took to get itwithout slicing my throat open.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I was like it's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm like now I'm like oh, just leave it alone, just
cut your own head off?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
yeah, pretty much.
There's a hair sticking out ofmy neck, yeah, like a ponytail,
yeah all right so I guess, um,we're doing really good on time,
so what can?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
be, that's good improv too.
Yeah, we're doing really goodon time.
Really I love that answer.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's like you sound like you sound like a dad on a
car trip.
We're doing good on time.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We're doing great on time For who, whatever for me, I
love you too.
I know I love you too.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's cute.
I didn't know you guys weretogether until the intro which
was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
How long have we been together?
We have time to ask this.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I would say at least 13 years.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We can't figure it out.
Did you guys meet on the sceneLike comedy yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh cool.
We met at Rock Paper, the Nikeright.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I feel like 13 years ago the scene was probably so
much better.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It was just more community.
I would say that Everybody'smore out for themselves now
Makes me sad.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Are you talking about just in shows?
I used to work at Burt's BackRoom before the pandemic and
that felt like, okay, makes mesad.
Yeah, and all that are youtalking about?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
like just in show.
Well, like I used to work atbert's back room, like before
the pandemic and that felt likethe high school of comics like
everybody was there with theirbackpacks, like everybody had a
different hosting hour andeverybody was kind of on the
same shows and like now it feelslike oh cool that she got that
show and but like you don't knowanybody else, and it's just
kind of like everybody stoppedbeing as like close what do you
(20:55):
think?
happened.
I think the pandemic happenedand I think people the pool got
way bigger because during thepandemic that girl was like I
think I'm gonna do comedy yeah,yeah, yeah, you know, and that
guy was like I'm pretty damnfunny you know so now that those
12 year olds have decided to docomedy.
I mean, I'm not trying to bebitter, but like the kids are
(21:16):
killing it these days they'reall just different versions of
vine stars and you're a childit's killing me.
I'm like I'm 36 and I'm jealousof you.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They have chat gbt writing their jokes.
So it's not.
Yeah, these kids are.
Yeah, these kids are born withai.
Have you tried that?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
though I'm I'm really bad at technology like this,
it's really talented thatsomebody can do this she's
referring to cameras when he waslike setting it up and he was
like, yeah, that's what we dohere.
I was like that is a greatprofession, really, really smart
people like my mom doesn't evenhave a laptop, like we're my
(21:53):
mom and I are just like we don't.
Cool.
What's ChatGPT?
Can I Google it?
Can you tweet it?
Is it a tweet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's going to change your life.
Yeah, my sister called me theother day.
She goes okay, this has changedmy life forever.
She had like a legal issue.
Oh yeah, and I mean I've askedit so many different things
relationship problems, uh, youknow anything you can think of.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Isn't it like sucking away from the universe, though,
and like pockets, or something?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
is it.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Somebody told me it's using energy that like we can't
get back.
Oh, god I mean apparentlysaying please and thank you to
it, like uses millions of likeyeah, that's what they say like
I don't understand how thatworks, but I just heard that.
I think it's just a cumulativeof like that actually going yeah
yeah, it's like excess okay,like it's like the old saying,
like if something comes tooeasily, something else is being
(22:44):
trained you know, that's trueyeah, but yeah so you ask it
questions, and I I mean caitlin,who's been on this podcast
before, says it.
It's like really good at advice.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It really, is really good, like in between therapies.
I'm on it all the time.
Unbiased advice, unbiased.
Do you still go to a?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
person for therapy.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, okay, I wouldn't recommend giving up on
that.
Yeah, and we have a couplescounselor as well.
Good.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Good.
I believe in therapy.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Just don no life experience and fake empathy.
Yeah, and they.
It's actually an echo chamberchat gbt.
They're more so I heard tellingyou what, what you are like
okay, yeah, it's just like youlike to hear this, so I'm gonna
say this you know, okay, sothat's how it's like learning
yeah, it's kind of learning you.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It does learn you.
Yeah fun, yeah, you should tryit.
Yeah, I mean you should try tolearn me, I should learn you.
Okay, good, I'll.
I mean you should try to learnme, I should try to learn you.
Okay, good, I'll do that, I'lltry to learn you.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I was going to say because if I don't Chat, gbt's
got it wrong, because I don'teven trust myself.
Yeah, so it has no idea whatit's saying to me.
Yeah, like I worry for the dayfor chat gbt, gbt.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
She loves me more, yeah.
Yeah, here's a nice wordly,wordly, timely letter that's got
chappy gbt, chat, gbt.
Is it gbt or gpt?
I think I just had an ai glitchI think you might I think are
you a robot?
Yeah, blink twice.
I don't think I'd know if I was.
That's kind of true yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right.
So what can be done aboutbiofilm?
So obviously I'm not a doctor,there's no miracle fixes, but
what?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You're not a doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I forgot, did I not tell you that I'm not a doctor?
Well, all right, we'll talkabout it later.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
That's like second date talk, it is.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's a pirate flag.
It's not a red flag.
What's that?
It's a pirate flag, not a redflag.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, oh my God, so you can use a few different
things that are biofilmdisruptors.
You want to disrupt them?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So enzymes like bromelain, something called
natokinase.
I'm not sure what that one is,but I know bromelain is made.
From what is it?
Is it papaya or pineapple?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Might be pineapple.
I'm learning, I'm likebromelain sounds like a Harry
Potter house or name orsomething.
It does sound like that,bromelain, come in here, you
know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So basically like a fruit enzyme peel, cool.
So it digests the dead skin andit gets in there so it's able
to sort of work into your skin alittle bit.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I like the word digest yeah, digest, is you want
it to just go away like pac-man, just get at it yeah um so
sulfur and iodine basedcleansers.
I'm not sure why the iodine,but the sulfur I know is sort of
anti-inflammatory yeah, Ialways wonder what sulfur is for
skin, because I I know is itsulfate Like.
Is that the same thing?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know.
Like sodium, lauryl sulfate isa different animal altogether.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Okay cool, Because you know you don't want that in
your shampoo.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, you do not want that Sulfur is like when you go
to those baths that you sit in.
It's a sulfur bath.
Oh sulfur, you know like yeah,yeah, kind of smells like like
farting.
Yeah, I mean, I think of why Idon't eat eggs it's because I
(25:56):
don't want sulfur.
Oh yeah, oh right, yeah, butit's good for you apparently all
right.
So essential oils that havepenetrating ability interesting
yeah, okay, tea tree oil,oregano, um, and both of those
use really sparingly.
You usually want to put it witha carrier, like a jojoba oil,
or if you're going to do it,just put it just on the actual
place that you want it, becauseit'll dry the shit out of your
skin.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, tea tree oil isn't kidding yeah, did you use
a lot of that.
Uh no, I had a boyfriend whoused it on a cyst or on a skin
tag and I didn't like whathappened to that skin tag whoa
really what happened.
It just it.
It uh burned his skin and thenit uh it left a scar.
Oh, wow so he probably put toomuch on because he wasn't very
(26:36):
smart.
But like I do also, that didscare me into, like I don't want
to hurt my skin.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Oh my god, you have all the lessons today to learn
from.
I've learned so much in theworst way.
It's just so sad well, I'm soglad you were able to come yeah,
I know, I'm like really gettingeducated right now.
I'm loving it so, as far asinternal help, you can take nac
um, that's a new thing thatpeople are talking about or
they're getting like nac, Ithink like ibis berberine I'm
(27:05):
not sure what that is, but guthealth support and you,
basically, you want to like um,you want to increase like the
good gut bacteria and then Iguess it will help to get you
know I heard like water, likeone thing that was recommended
to me as far as like eating waswatercress oh interesting, yeah,
like they were like they saidthat that'll help your gut.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
If that's what's causing the inflammation in your
face.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I know why I think it's a prebiotic.
Okay, just like apples are aprebiotic, it makes the
environment for the new gutbacteria a good place to live.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
There you go Like a good flora fauna balancing act
happening.
But yeah, I remember I triedeverything.
I'm sure you poor thing.
Yeah, I mean I still deal withit.
But like I go to adermatologist and she's like you
don't have any like active acneright now.
You just kind of have like abit of a graveyard.
Which is cool that she saidthat.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She's like like ghosts come around every once in
a while, but it's not superactive, Great.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thanks, you're the best.
Where do I write the check to?
Okay, so, and then professionalhelp there, you go, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I say get help.
It's very general Talk tosomeone Anyone.
Yeah, you need a plumber, I getit.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Like what?
There's certain things that anesthetician can do, like a
chemical peel, a high frequency,which is like a little zapper,
and that gets it.
Did you ever have anything withthat?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
oh, I mean I can tell you everything I did.
Yeah, I mean I did like zapperstuff during, like facials but,
then I started doing like fraxel, something called decadot, yeah
, um, just things that basicallycause trauma to your skin so
that it would rush to form newcollagen okay I also get
microneedling every three months, but the big thing, that kind
(28:57):
of kicked me off was retinol.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Is it the prescription?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
um yes it was the like the cream.
So after so what?
What my doctor did was shefirst did a decadot treatment,
which was like the severe trauma, and then, when that was done
and I, this new layer was kindof revealed, she had me doing
the um retinol, uh, two nights aweek.
(29:25):
It was a very strong retinol.
Okay to the point where I gotwhat they call the retinol
uglies where, like everything,you look like a deadpool, kind
of like things are just comingup.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh, it's like bringing stuff to the surface
and you're peeling.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's like a real turnover, you're peeling things
are coming to the surface andand you things look kind of
scurry or like it looks likemelasma a little okay so.
But then it starts to kind ofsettle down.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But first it's like trauma on top of trauma on top
of ah, it gets worse before itgets better.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yes, but I did it during the pandemic, which was a
great time.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Perfect timing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I was like I don't have to see anyone else.
I was staying at my parentsbecause I could do work from
home, so it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I love that.
I'm so glad you have it undercontrol.
Yeah, I have it more undercontrol.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's still a fight every day because I don't want
anyone to think like I beat it.
Good luck.
You know I still, I still geteverything done possible.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
There's no hope, yeah .
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So you know, there's no hope for you.
No, but it really is a battle.
Like I respect people that,like one thing I have been
missing, though, which istotally serendipitous is the
girl that I used to go to for myface moved to Palm Springs and
I haven't had a facial in a yearand a half oh my god, I know
it's time.
Yeah, we'll get you.
It'll be fun.
Like when you were like I doall this, I was like where have
you been.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I told Caitlin I was like yeah, caitlin, apparently
Nikki does this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
She was like oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you
about that.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I was like dude, that's such a hilarious
expression.
I was like dude.
I'm like do you know a friendthat can help me with my jaw?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
He's also a facialist .
She was like.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I got to think on that I can't All right, I'm
going to have a little chat withher.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, a little test we're at the moment where the
parking lot turns into metermaids.
So where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
online, you can find me sorry to cut you off.
I'm trying to be quick no, good, good come on man at Bridget
sell comic.
That's my Instagram and.
Bridget is spelled like BridgetJones.
Sell is spelled like buy andsell Bridget sell spelled like
Bridget Jones Cell is spelledlike buy and sell Bridget Cell
comic very funny comic.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Definitely follow her .
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think she needs to come back for a part two on some
stuff.
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I live right down the street.
Perfect, I live on Laurel.
Make sure you tell everybody on.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Laurel.
Oh my God, Make sure you telleverybody on there there's a
Laurel can, of course, of course, all right, so this is going to
be out Wednesday at 3 ambecause we don't have any in the
bank, and we'll see you guysnext week.
Bye, bye.
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