NATURAL SKINCARE: LEGIT OR GREENWASHED?!

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When Rachel and Daniel Olvera found themselves in the high desert of Joshua Tree during the pandemic, they never imagined their homemade skincare formulations would evolve into Xēba Botánica – a brand now championing truly non-toxic, plant-based products that prioritize both human health and environmental sustainability. By the way, the SDS podcast is an absolutely no way sponsored by Xēba Botánica.  

On this revealing episode, the couple shares their remarkable journey from backpackers to skincare entrepreneurs, bringing along their adorable baby who steals the spotlight more than once. Rachel's background as a chemist provides fascinating insights into what's really happening when we slather commercial products on our largest organ – our skin. From frankincense benefits to the dangers of "forever chemicals" in waterproof sunscreens, this conversation will transform how you evaluate what touches your body.

The discussion takes a hard look at industry greenwashing, particularly the meaningless "natural" label that appears on countless toxic products. Daniel explains why they refuse to use this term, preferring specific descriptors like "non-toxic" and "plant-based" instead. You'll learn why glass packaging matters (hint: plastic leaches chemicals into your products), why water shouldn't be the first ingredient in your expensive moisturizer, and what essential oils you should never apply directly to skin.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I am Nikki Davis Jr, a stand-upesthetician Esthetician.
I like that Esthetician.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Nice, we've been watching a lot of Walter Matthau
movies lately.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So we watch estheticians, see.
It was a good joke, I know.
Thank you very much math onmovies lately.
So we watch the rest of Sushis,see.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
It was a good joke, I know.
Thank you very much.
Only babies laugh at your jokes.
Well, I mean, it was a babyjoke, it was a little joke, it
was a tiny joke, yeah, I lovehow she's come alive as soon as
the show starts.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You get it, the camera rolls yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
She.
I am so excited about thisepisode.
Stand-up esthetician 25 yearsesthetician, licensed comedian
as usual with me is my boyfriendSherpa set decorator and bride
here, right here, yep.
I put one in the meter too.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You did this is interesting is this what's like
a couch two shot, I think is inthe industry is that what it's
called?
Also.
It also sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm not used to sitting this close to you.
I know I don't like it.
I don't think we even sleepthis close.
I think we have a texas king.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Uh, it's way, it's way more fatter and we sleep way
far apart you like to starfishwhen we oh, absolutely, yeah,
like basically just uh when he'sin the desert.
I'm like yeah, it's totallyspread out.
And when he comes home.
I'm like why are you so closeto me?

(01:34):
Yes, yeah, I'm miserable, um,but I'm really excited about her
uh, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've been so excited about this for the whole week.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think I was kind of like like rubbing up for this,
but um, we were also in thedesert a week before this and we
were talking and we visited oneof the guests locations there.
So just let you know how howinto it we were.
We were, yeah, I'm prettyexcited about it, and now no
longer.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
But, we found out about, um, these, uh, this
company and the people who arehere to represent said,
represent it um, through deandel rey, comedian dean del rey.
I don't know if you guysremember him, but um, yes and uh
.
He told us all about you guys,and uh.
So I would like to introduceyou, daniel and rachel, uh
alvera yep of heba botanical?

(02:23):
Is thatiba Botanical?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
right Botanicals.
Botanica.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Botanica Okay, hiba Botanica.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's okay, we're going to bleep out everything
you said after.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hi, I'm Nikki Davis, thank you, and at the very end
we're going to keep the Thankyou and then it's a good idea,
yeah we're, we can't use them inthe podcast.
Wow, when you sit close, you doso many more jokes.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I know, because I feel like I have to carry your
weight.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
By the way, I don't know if the camera's cut over to
Daniel and Rachel, but theybrought Sochi, their baby, who
is the sweetest, most beautifullittle sweetheart who just
perked up the minute we startedshooting, and I'm so excited
that she's here with us.
She's 72, you guys.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
She looks amazing, the star of the show.
It looks like a little Rambo.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
She's so cute A little cholita I like that.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
She's like Ecoparque.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You guys have a store both in Pioneertown right and
then also in Echo Park as well.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, that's why I was representing Echo Park.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
She's rocking the little yeah, yeah, I don't know,
you need a bandana, or whateveryeah.
I feel like I need one.
Yeah With a bigger bow.
Yeah With a bigger bow.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yes, that's the move, that's the bow Right.
The bow is like becausesomebody sees you from behind
and they're like oh man, youturn around.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
How gangster are you Exactly?
But then you have to and a realheart.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
But then people who know are like oh, that dude's a
real gangster, because only realgangsters would wear a have to
own it I respect that oh big bowenergy yes exactly that's like
you'll

Speaker 1 (04:08):
love the arrow so tell me which of your stores was
first um the pioneer town thepioneer town one.
Okay, yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
That was when we, like, had no money.
We still don't have that muchmoney, but we had zero budgets
wow and we.
I built every shelf andeverything in that store it's a
beautiful store yeah, that'sreally cool.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's such a cool location too, very pioneer town.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, it's cute and quaint and tiny and it's not
owned by those ladies on sunset,whatever it's called oh, man,
remember the selling sunsetselling sunset situation yeah,
everybody in pioneer town hatesthem it's a good talking point
though everybody in the highdesert did he do everybody in
the whole high desert hatesthose people.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean it's, yeah, the whole morongo basin, I've
learned or whatever that area is.
That whole it's a very, it's a.
It's a big place but it seemslike a small community yeah, I
love that about it I honestly, Ilived in la for before we lived
in the desert.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
We moved there in 2019.
I lived in la for I don't know20 years and I have a you know
lots of friends, but never feltthe sense of community the way
we do in in the desert.
People like invite you todinner and they like you go, and
you you literally actually goto their house, not like here in
la where it's like, yeah, let'sgrab lunch and you never see

(05:29):
them so many.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Plant the plans become the thing you did.
Let's make plans.
It actually happens.
It actually happens.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
You actually have dinner with people and lunch and
you, you build a community, andso, yeah, and that's, I think,
why we've been able to do whatwe we've done is because of the
high desert community.
They've embraced us and theylike and we love them for it.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh, they want to support local.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
They love to support local and that's a good, because
and it's a testament to who youare too because they don't just
jump on is this person going tobail out?
They're going to be gone soon,or you know yeah so that's
that's really cool.
Is that kind of uh, like a lotof like, um, the background for,
like the company?
Is it like something that youknow like, or your business as
far as, like wanting to giveback to community kind of a

(06:14):
thing, or is it just like acommunity kind of feel, because
that's what it feels like?
It feels like it's owned by twopeople that care about it, you
know well.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I mean, I think we, just we, we love what we do.
Rachel's a chemist and so shehas a chemistry background and
so it's so cool we had movedthere right before the pandemic,
but even before that we webackpacked around the world for
six months.
I sold my businesses evenbefore that, so I lived in la,
met her out here in la, and thenI was just burnt out and tired

(06:44):
of the city yeah, and so, um, Iwas like, hey, we had just, we'd
only known each other for sixmonths.
I was like, hey, I'm selling mybusinesses and gonna backpack
around the world.
You want to come along?
And she's like, hell, yeah, andso that's ride or die.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I love that.
That is super cool.
He's like hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
And she ended up not hating me too badly because you
know traveling together everyday we like it was.
That's a huge test.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
She's gonna either hate me or love me, or both yeah
, and it was a little bit ofboth enough to not leave my ass
and so yeah yeah, but, um, butit brought us closer, and then
we we had to come back.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Um, we had like a family emergency and so we ended
up moving to josh retreatbecause I was like I'm done with
LA and the city and I havefriends that have lived out
there for a long time and I waslike I know it and I like it and
I feel like it's good yeah andso we did it.
And then we were there tryingto figure out what we were going

(07:40):
to do next, and we of courseeverything but the obvious.
We were trying to launch as abrand or a business and then we
were already making things forourselves and so I was like,
well, this could be a businessand her sisters and her
girlfriends, because we weremaking little things, like she
was making like a moisturizerand I was making castile soap,

(08:04):
but it was never with theintention of starting a brand,
it was just like we want to makethis.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because we think we can make it
better and um plus, when you'rein the desert, you need so much
of that stuff that you guys,yeah well, the pandemic and the
pandemic.
We had a lot of time on ourhands everybody was making
sauerkraut and kombucha andwhatever else.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, we did.
You did too we did all of that.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh, we didn't do that , so we were we were, you didn't
.
No, you weren't in the desert,we just watched TV a lot.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Well, that's, and we did that too, we did a lot of
that we ordered in.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So.
So then I noticed that her,like her, her sisters and her
girlfriends were like hey, giveme one of those, let me have one
of these.
And I was like, is this abusiness?
And so, um, I don't know if Ianswered your question.
I think I think you answered,uh, what you want you.
I think you said what youwanted to say and I appreciate
that.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I wanted to find out where, the, what, the
where, the origin, the origin,yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah,
no so that that's really cooland that's what it seems.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
it seems like it's something that kind of came like
organically, especially like,yeah, like being in the desert.
First thing I thought was likeyou're like hell, it was too dry
, so what I'm thinking about,you're just like I got to
moisturize.
You know, when she goes there,it's just Rachel, how do you
deal with it?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
old when I go there.
Uh, well, I I do think my myskin got a little worse when I
moved there.
Um, I don't know, I think youadjust.
Um, we also have a good waterfilter on our house now, okay,
yeah, it's good for your hair.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Oh my god, it's a game changer yeah, it is a game
changer.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Like the water is just so hard is it bad?

Speaker 4 (09:39):
yeah, it's hard on your skin and your hair because
there's ammonia, there'schlorine, there's all sorts of
things in the water.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I know in Morongo I have a friend out there and they
said the water is so bad thatthey drop off like five gallon
jugs, like three of them a month.
At least something like thatminimum.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
For free though right For free.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
yeah, oh wow.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, there's some areas out there that like
there's like lead and arsenic ohmy god in the like groundwater,
because you know, however manyyears ago, like 100 over 100
years ago it was like mineseverywhere that's right, we're
mining and so they leached allthese chemicals into the ground
that are still there, probablywow, yeah, I like to ingest lead

(10:21):
and arsenic on my watch.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Absolutely, I don't want it forced on me Sometimes
if I have a weekend to myself,maybe, but not every day.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
You want to do it on your own volition.
Exactly, I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't need heavy level, heavy metal, heavy metal,
heavy levels.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Okay, so then you guys, obviously you care about
not only do they care about theenvironment, but you guys care
about just like natural productsin general.
And maybe I should have saidthat in reverse order.
Not only do you care about thenatural stuff, but you also are
super concerned about theenvironment, because I love that
all of your packaging is justit's just glass for the most
part, right, yeah, glass, andlike craft paper labels.
I love that Even labels haveplastic on them.

(11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
And so that ends up in the landfill or in your
bodies or in the ocean orwherever.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Just to add to like why we also started the brand
was Rachel's got crazy sensitiveskin and she's just acne prone,
allergy prone, eczema,everything prone, wow, and she
was trying.
She was kind of having issuesand so she was trying all these
different products and she wastrying like the the fancier,
more expensive, better stufffrom like nordstrom's or

(11:33):
wherever and then comparingthose ingredients to the stuff
that you'd find in the skincareat wal, walmart or something and
it's the same stuff justfancier branding and packaging
sure yeah so that kind ofinspired, I think, her to just
and us to kind of just startmaking things.
And so because we were like,well, why does it need all of

(11:56):
these things?
Why can't it just be these fourbasic ingredients?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
oh so why is water the top ingredient on all
moisturizers?
Yeah, that's so true.
And then alcohol, a lot oftimes too right, because it
waters it down.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, there's water down literally.
Yeah, there is good alcohols.
Oh, there is Okay.
Is it plant alcohol?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, like cedar alcohol.
It's not like ethanol.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's not like a drying like what you.
Oh okay okay when.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh, okay, okay when it comes to mind like acetyl.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Alcohol is actually like moisturizing and it's a
common skincare ingredient.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh, I didn't know that, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Just like all oils aren't oily.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Right Some of them are drier, and so, anyways,
there's different types of andthis may not be the same thing,
but also I've learned thatschnitzel is not just sausage.
Schnitzel is also like it lookslike a cutlet.
I'm not even kidding, it's true.
What are you even talking?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
about.
We're talking about the factthat not all oils are oily.
Not all schnitzels areschnitzels.
She's schnitzeling, soschnitzels can be.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
They look like cutlets sometimes, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, oh, I see what you're saying of schnitzel.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
See Thank you very much See.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
All you have to do is let me keep talking.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
eventually See this bad schnitzel and there's good
schnitzel.
Yeah, this is like good peopleand bad people, just good people
.
Good schnitzel, bad schnitzel.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, I like that show.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's a good show Bad schnitzel, Bad Schnitzel
it's called Up Schnitzels.
I want to watch that.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
I want to keep saying that word all day long.
Schnitzel, that could be yournext hit, bro.
Yeah, that could be your nexthit.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean yeah, Go viral for schnitzel.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I mean that could be the title.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
That's your tagline right there.
Yeah, go, print t-shirts youready.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's not just a German thing.
What?
What does that even mean?
And then yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, I wanted to ask you about I mentioned.
Well, first of all, can we talkabout frankincense.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Okay, because everybody's talking about it now
.
Yeah, and I'm sure you guyshave been into it for quite a
while.
When did you start your line,by the way?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Like 2021 or two or something like that.
I think, technically, like ourfirst market where we like sold
our first jar would be 2020,okay so, and now do you notice
that suddenly everybody'stalking about frankincense?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
or do you not even know that?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
no, I hear it on like , uh, you know, like the tiktoks
and all those things like thebeef, tallow and tiktok and uh
and frankincense everybody'stalking about, yeah, that one,
that one's popped up a lot.
Yeah, beef tallows poppedupincense.
Everybody's talking about beeftallow, that one's popped up.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah beef tallow's popped up.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's a trend, yeah, they even have beef tallow fries
I've mentioned before, but so Idon't understand they used to
put in Oreo cookies a long timeago.
Oh, that's what that was myfriends used to always be like.
You know, there's lard in thosecookies.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's animal fat it's probably better than what
they're putting in it now, butyeah, yeah it's simple.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I think the more simple, the better we're not
against beef tallow sure it'sgreat.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah people, people love tallow.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I don't think I would want it on a moisturizer though
I don't know if I would eitherI I've heard like my friends are
like they like to use it.
But um, I've heard from liketheir girlfriends and stuff
they're like they end upsmelling like rotten meat by the
end of the night.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's going in the teaser being.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Mexican.
I just had an idea of likegrilling some carne asada and
then, like you just say, thecarne asada oil, and you're just
like yeah, let me just Dude,that is absolutely an uncle move
.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
You go over and your uncle's like that's the deal,
absolutely an uncle move.
Yeah, you go over and youruncle's like that's the deal,
bro.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the deal, absolutely yes,
yeah, dude just yesterday I wassometimes I work as a delivery
driver, just for, you know, forresearch and so somebody had
like their gutters was messedyou know they're messed up or
whatever.
So the guy I know he put, heput a two gallon, a two liter
bottle on it and had to spigotand put, like you know, the tape

(15:47):
around it and I was like that's, that's the uncle move, dude,
I'm not gonna call the buildingmanager, I'm gonna take care of
this myself, I'll fix the gutterwith a, with a soda bottle,
you're gonna say with beeftallow.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I call it max guyver, max guyver, max guyver.
I like macgyver.
Yeah, you might guy youmacgyver it, but it's max guy
for it, you know you like yougotta like I got toothpicks.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
I got some like you know, some, some what's that
stuff called?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
some like black electrical tape and a
screwdriver all the time.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, fix it yeah, that's all you need.
Yeah, but you go.
You have that mentality, butthen your packaging isn't
toothpicks and stuff like thatit's like nice quality product
you can reuse again.
Reusable toothpicks.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
We're not Max Geiger-ing the skincare I
promise.
I mean if it was up to me wehave.
Rachel.
So she's actually a chemist.
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
She takes it and then has a refinement, and then it a
refinement.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
And then it goes into I'm just like how can we do
this quick?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm more the like salesman guy, I don't know,
getting us out there Businessyeah yeah.
She likes to make all thethings and nerd out in the lab.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
What were you doing with your chemist-ness before?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
out in the lab.
What were you doing with yourum, your chemistness before um?
I actually graduated, likemaybe a year before I met daniel
or during uh, during when wedid like right.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
When we first met, she had just graduated or was
graduating college so yeah it's.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's actually bio, like my main major is biology
and then I have a degree inchemistry as well.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
She was actually studying for the MCAT before we
like decided to do any of thisand so, but anytime she would
schedule to go take her MCAT, itgot canceled because of the
pandemic and because we couldn't, so we rescheduled and then
they would cancel, and so shenever was able to take her MCAT.

(17:45):
And so then because everybodywas just like at home, losing
their minds.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right, right right.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
We decided to be productive and yeah, that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
You guys seem like you, you you met at both the
right times for each other.
Yeah, and then, like you know,just certain things, like you
know they had to test, it justdidn't work out, yeah, so that's
just kind of uh, it's life andwe get to benefit from it
absolutely they sent us so manythings, you guys okay, oh my god
.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, that's why I was going to ask you about the
frankincense, because I put iton everything the oil yeah, what
is it good for?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tell us what it's good for I mean, like
frankincense, it's great forskin texture, like if you're
saying, just for your skin.
A lot of people use it for likean anti-cancer.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I mean a lot of people like take supplements of
it.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
What is frankincense?
Even Like a plant, it's likethe boswellia, something or
other.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I forget the scientific norm of the term of
the tree, but it's boswelliasomething anyway.
So it's like a it's a tree,it's a tree it's the resin from
the tree, so like the sap.
Okay, so it's like superconcentrated stuff from the tree
, right the sap or the resinfrom.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, yeah I've seen that.
What did you say?
It was?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
boswellia something.
I kind of look it up becauseI've seen that word on certain
things.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
There's several different species of it.
There's like Serrata.
There's a few different species, but it's.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Boswellia something and there's a few, but yeah, it
grows mainly like in Africa,parts of Africa, that's where
it's like native and it just hasamazing healing properties and
I think it's also known as likethe oil, like frankincense oil
is known as like the oil ofcakes right, frankincense and
myrrh and yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's a good band.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah Do, yeah, we have burn one of our perfumes.
Mm-hmm right yeah, number 19.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Wow, I want to talk about that one too.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Let's talk about Sunblock you guys knowing being
in the desert, I know you Sunblock so cheap.
Oh, some sunblock.
You guys knowing being in thedesert, I know you need it
Exactly sunblock.
Sochi needs some sunblock.
My goodness, if you need me totake care of you, I want to hand
her over.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Let's get her a microphone.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I know Happy to help.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
This is the best.
I'm so happy you guys broughther.
She's so cute.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
She's with us all the time.
She just, we just.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah no babysitters here we like to incorporate her
into everything we do in ourlives.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's part of why we have our family businesses.
She looks so excited Because wereally want it to be a family
business.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
As soon as she's able to, I'm going to put her ass to
work, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I mean, start them young, all right.
So tell me about sunblock.
Um, because I'm obsessed.
I used to completely stay outof the sun.
My mom kept me out of the sunfor my whole life, and then she
would just put, slather me withzinc and stick me in the corner,
and I wasn't allowed to play inthe pool with the other kids
because I mean, I'm pretty fairand I've had some serious,
serious burns in my life, wow.
So I'm glad now you know, almostyou know whatever, almost 57

(20:44):
that she did that becauseotherwise I think I would have a
lot more like sun damage than Ihave.
But I feel like we've come sofar since those days, even
though you're probably usingmore simple stuff than you're
going to get.
I mean, I won't use for themost part, unless I'm outside
for a long period of time.
I don't want to use anythingthat's got sunscreen, you know,

(21:06):
like the chemical sunscreens,because it just makes it in.
But tell me, what is yoursunblock right Technically?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Technically sunblock.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, so we actually only usezinc oxide um the non-nano zinc
oxide.
Uh, a lot of like naturalbrands use the titanium oxide I
believe it's oxide um, I'm not afan of that one because that
that's what creates the reallylike white casts oh yeah the

(21:36):
titanium, um, and it's not thatit's like toxic or anything,
it's fine, um, but yeah, itcreates more of a white cast.
It doesn't really go clear andthen it also doesn't protect
against uvb rays whereas zincprotects against both uva and
uvb so it's just high.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Have a higher zinc oxide percentage people, I think
, need to know, like, that spfreally only corresponds to the
amount of time, right, that youcan spend in the sun without
burning, and it doesn't reallyhave anything to do with the
a-rays, right, correct?
Yeah, yeah, because I I don'tknow.
I think people think they goout and they buy spf 100, that
they're doing themselves a favor.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't think so.
Yeah, and you always have toreapply after water like no
matter how waterproof it isExactly.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms waterproof.
You don't want anythingwaterproof on your skin, god no.
Pfos.
What's that PFOAs?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
right, pf.
All of them, yeah, all of them.
Do they put it in sunscreen?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
now to make it so.
Waterproofing is the use PFOS,which is a chemical.
There's thousands of them,chemicals that were created by
DuPont.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Back in the I don't want to misquote, but I think it
was either the 50s or the 70s,and they, they do a lot of.
They use them for a lot ofthings, but, uh, waterproofing
is one of them, and so that'swhat they put in sunscreen it's
like forever chemicals soforever chemicals, what is known
as.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
That's disgusting and then you put it in a plastic
bottle to make it even better.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah yeah, it's , I mean it's in like, almost
like all the plastics it's intons of stuff like all the fire
retardants yeah, so the firesthat we have in in california,
and you see the helicoptersdropping the red, that red stuff
, yeah, pfos I do not know that,and that gets into our waters,
our water system um, and there'sfarms, I think, all over the us

(23:37):
um, mainly where the dupontfactory is um over in like in
north carolina that is just hasinsane levels of pfos and a lot
of these farmers have to havehad to like shut down their farm
.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
They're like family farms that they've had for
generations.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Oh yeah, like that guy that had the cattle farm and
his meat was contaminated withit, Like the ground, everything
there's like.
There's lots of farmers.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
And they even say like no levels are safe for us
to consume.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Oh wow, if they're saying that, then it's got to be
true, but it's still legal.
They wouldn't tell you.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
It's still legal to put it in everything.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Another Regulated in the US.
Another reason for what Waterfilters?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yes exactly I know.
So you're saying the skincareis not regulated in the US.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Skincare is not a regulated Well, not like our
food is regulated.
Yes, we're still findingsketchy stuff in our food, so
skincare is regulated even lessthan food, and so you're finding
silicates and copolymers andphthalates and.

(24:40):
Pfos and all sorts of justcrazy things, that we don't know
exactly what they're doing tous long term, because they
haven't, we have all theseautoimmune situations that are
happening in us more than ever.

(25:01):
Why Exactly?
Why, yeah, autoimmunesituations that are happening in
us more than ever?
Um, why exactly?
Why that's yeah, and people aregetting cancer younger and
younger I just was readingsomething this morning, um about
that it's, it's yeah childhoodcancer.
Childhood cancer like oh reallyhigher rates of there's higher
rates of just cancer in youngerpeople like children and like
young adults, people in their20s wow like getting like breast

(25:23):
cancer in your 20s, like that'sthat's crazy you know, or colon
cancer in men in their 20s soit has to be something you're
ingesting because you're notlike just gonna get it's our
food or it's our.
It's our water, it's ourskincare it's anything that we
put, or even in our hair, rightstuff, we breathe, we breathe.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, you know I feel like, especially now that
you're I mean, you grow up nowand you're on set, you're
instantly online social media,you're exposed.
Yeah, so you are, you know,conscious of how you look you
put on skincare much youngeryeah, that stuff gets into your
skin, you know obviously likeand uh, yeah, that's really just
.
It's just sad how it's justunregulated, um, because it's

(26:01):
almost kind of like they're likeoh, there's enough people to we
can sell to and then youcontinue, but they put profits
over people sure, yeah, yeahsure we, we don't.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
We put people over profits yeah, we don't we just
love doing what we do and we'renot trying to ever be l'oreal or
anything crazy like that.
You know, we just love doingwhat we do and we're not trying
to ever be L'Oreal or anythingcrazy like that.
You know, we just want to makethings that are good for our
family first.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
And for our well, like what would we put on our
baby?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
And if we wouldn't put it on our baby, then we're
not going to make it, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I don't know.
It seems simple to me.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I was just saying.
Anything you put on your skinis going inside your body.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, your skin's your largestorgan.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, exactly, your skin's your largest organ.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
You're absorbing anything that goes on your pores
Totally Into your bloodstream.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I'm sorry I interrupted you, that's okay.
Don't ever do it again.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, we hung out in the desert, like I was saying.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
She's looking at me like, do you let him talk to you
like that?
Absolutely, I make him talk tome like that All the time,
exactly.
Stipulation.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
We hung out in the desert.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
We had shows out there, so we had a little spot,
we hung out and we just usedyour stuff all weekend.
And we how do I say this?
We took a bunch of adultaspirins, you know, like adult,
like ibuprofen, how do I say it?
Drugs, drugs and we took drugsand we like hung out and we like

(27:27):
took walks.
Then we came back and we usedthe.
I'm not even kidding, we keptlike the desert balm with us
Like we had like all this stuffwith us.
It made us feel so good yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It's amazing.
It was a nice home base.
We were just like putting likeyeah, we'd go back and like put
the oils on, just like open thetin and you're just like, yeah,
oh my gosh, yes, totally.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I do that and I don't have to be on drugs to do that
you don't, you don't, you don'tyou know, you don't it your
experience yes, experience.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It kept us uh, it kept us hydrated in the harsh
environments and it felt like itwas nice, like aromatherapy to
it and it felt very like I keeplike saying home, but it does.
It felt like it was like okay,everything's cool, and it was
like nice.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Were you guys like walking through the desert naked
or something it just had likeskincare on you, or like through
the harsh environment?
We were, like you just embarkedinto the middle of nowhere.
I felt like that.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I would never do that , though, because I don't have
enough pockets when I'm naked,so something about I don't know
what it is but I think thebetter find one, the better
shape.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I am, the less pockets I have but but yeah,
like just walking around enough,like just being out of our
minds, just you know, like nodry lips no dry lips yeah, no,
dry anything nothing also Inoticed that um you sent, um you
sent because there's threesoaps or four of the bars right

(28:56):
um we actually have more now,you do yeah so we got the facial
one, and then there's a bodyexfoliating one, and then I
forget what the other, justregular working hands.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Is it like a brown one?
Yes, yes, yeah, that one's ascrub.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah just having that in the bathroom when I walk in
the house, I'm already feel.
I feel like we're like sowealthy.
It's like what is thatbeautiful smell in the house and
and it's just soap in thebathroom.
It's so nice, though I love it.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, I think if they get to a certain age where
you're really like, you knowlike, or maybe a certain age,
but just certain time when youreally start to like.
I never really cared about thatkind of stuff, cause it was
something my mom had or whatever.
But now I see it, I'm like, oh,it's just a nice little thing
you do for yourself and you alsoknow you're taking care of
yourself and it smells great.
So you know again.
I don't want to keep talkingabout drugs, but no, I'm kidding

(29:42):
, I mean the Hebo Botanica.
Yeah, well, yeah it's reallysoothing, it really is.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It feels nice when you take care of yourself.
Do you lather each other?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
No, we haven't tried that yet.
We wish we could.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's a nice move Did you.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Is he giving me the signal.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
He gave you a signal that you have 30 minutes left of
your life.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Okay, perfect.
Okay, so we talked aboutfrankincense, we talked a little
bit about the sunblock soaps,the oil.
What about tell me a little bitabout perfume and like why you
have the formulations that youdo and anything else that you
want to tell us about theperfumes?
Because I love perfume and Ijust bought some and now I'm

(30:26):
like starting to hate the smellof it because it's it's top
notes of just chemicals it's.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Where'd you get it from?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
target I had a target gift card.
You, you guys, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
You know you gotta use that gift card.
I know it's a Target.
You gotta be a mark.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I know I also made sure to do it when nobody else
in the building was around, sothat they didn't see the Target
guy show up at the house.
Exactly, we're not gonna judgeyou, we're just gonna send you
perfume.
Oh, thank you God, and I knowthat that was a ploy for us to
send you perfume.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Thank you, we would have done it anyway, oh.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
See, they don't ploy around.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
They don't ploy around.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
But I noticed you had a few different you have.
How many do you guys have Three?
We only have four right now.
You have four, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
We were trying to come out with a new spring one,
but babies and treatment rooms.
We're opening treatment roomsat the are you really park store
?
Yeah, that's great thing Iwanted to kind of touch base on.
We'll go back absolutely.
Yeah, I might actually see ifyou guys need some help over
there so, uh, yeah, they'recurrently being finished, um,
and so we built at thestorefront first so we could

(31:32):
generate.
Just open the doors andgenerate some income yeah and so
there's.
Hopefully we'll be ready by nextmonth, but construction never
goes as planned.
So we'll have four treatmentrooms.
You'll be able to book anappointment with our
estheticians to get a facial andour skincare.
That's really cool, do you?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
guys know what I do you're an esthetician, yeah, but
I also specialize in facialmassage and like the um, like I
don't really use a lot ofproduct, but I would use yours,
but like um, because of thatreason I don't really care use a
lot of product.
I would use yours but, likebecause of that reason, I don't
really care for a lot of thestuff that people put in the
products.
But, I specialize in lifting andtoning the facial muscles and
then also going inside the mouthand like doing all that kind of
stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
What is that called?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like a buckle massage .
That's what they're calling itnow Something with a B I can
never pronounce, yeah buckleLike, because this is the
bucketator and there's like fivedifferent muscles that connect
right there.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
I've never experienced that, but she has
obviously.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
My job pops.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I have a massage therapist.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
She's amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's helping with tension, headaches and whatnot.
All these little knots in there.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
She calls them, little goldfish, she just
massages your.
Did she stick her whole hand inyour mouth or something?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, no no, no, that's , I mean like off the books, yes
, but tax for tax reasons fortax reasons, liability reasons
no anyways, I don't want to talkcompletely about me, but but I
did want to get into, like, whatis it that you guys don't like
in your perfumes?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
we don't like in ours like what?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
No, I'm saying like the reason why you formulated
yours the way you did wasbecause to avoid certain things
that do types of things.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the spray ones have alcohols
in them.
I prefer oil-based just becausethey last longer, like on the
shelf.
They are better for your skin,yeah, and then all the scents
are, you know, plant-basedessential oils or extracts.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
so versus chemical fragrance, which is in most
perfume and skincare, and umit's cheap, chemical fragrance
is dirt cheap yeah that's whylike a fraction of the cost
really.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
That's why these companies.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
you know's in candles , it's in aerosols, it's in room
sprays, anything fragrant.
All the big brands.
I'm not going to mention them,but all the big brands, and even
smelling things can disruptyour hormones.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's what I was going to ask you about.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
So this chemical fragrance they have phthalates.
Phthalates cause endocrinedisruption.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So you're, it's your hormones, it's just amazing to
me that when you're smellingsomething, you're actually
taking in that thing, it's notlike looking at something.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
It's like micro-particles that you're
inhaling and ingesting.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And it's just going into your system Every time you
go to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think about that.
Yeah, isn't it bad going intoyour system Every?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
time you go to the bathroom, I think about that.
Yeah, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
bad.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
It is bad.
Sometimes I'll walk by mytoothbrush just going like this.
I like to conduct the air.
You know, it's just yeah, it'sjust really bizarre we did an
episode about phthalates, though, didn't we?
We did.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, talking about that because that's the stuff
that really scares me and likethe little girls are putting
that on themselves too, and it'slike we already have enough
hormones in the water and thefood.
And then now the phthalates andthe you know and these people
who do the plugins my aunt Betsydoes like those plugins and
it's like it makes me feel likeI'm gonna throw up.
There's gotta be somethingwrong with those plugin things.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Those things those are.
I don't know if I'm supersensitive to them now, but like
they nauseate me, give meheadaches and I walk by people
and they don't seem to.
I don't know if maybe peopleare used to it or I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I think people just maybe they're not around them
long enough.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
They're literally burning whatever it is in that
cartridge.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's just chemicals in the electrical socket and
it's just like, and it's justlike infusing the air with the
crap.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It's so bad it's like if we could see, like put like
a filter on a lens to see allthat stuff, yeah same thing with
candles oh, I know you're likeburning and like and the lead
and the smoke and the oil, yeah,and like the wicks are
sometimes dipped in chemicals ohI didn't

Speaker 1 (35:42):
even think about that .
What?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
do they?
What do they?
Embalm people in?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
oh, the formaldehyde, yes, oh, and a candle they'll
find.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, they've found formaldehyde in candles and in
the wicks and you guys docandles too, right we do, yeah,
that's so cool, that's reallynice.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I won't even bring the lead ones into the
bedroom, yeah into the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, that's where lead bibs what are?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
we doing with candles in the bedroom?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I don't know fire hazard, yeah, um living fun,
yeah, nothing but uh yeah, mymom taught me early on, like you
know the beeswax and don't usethe you know whatever other
garbagey candles out there.
But I didn't realize how manyother like you were saying like
there's stuff on the wick itself.
I didn't even think about likejust what to keep it lit um I

(36:28):
think it's again it goes down tolike it's cheaper.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
It costs like nothing to make when you're using cheap
chemicals.
Right, and so have you everbought a little tiny bottle of
like a pure essential oil?
Yes, like it, it's expensive.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Very expensive.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we're putting like a lot of mini
bottles inside one candle.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's expensive, yeah, it's
expensive.
And so you know you have abottle of, like you know,
pesticide.
You're like I might as well usethis to cut it.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, Instead, they're like we should do
pesticides.
That's true, it's going to gobad on the shelf.
Wait, take me back to here, toParadise City.
Yes, okay, cool, sorry, so.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I know you want to.
You know, move along, orwhatever.
I have one question, though.
I do want to get to the nameHiba Botanica.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Hiba Botanica.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
So how did that come about?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, we got.
So how did that come about, Isthat?
Yeah, we got to, we got.
I've told that story a milliontimes.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
All right.
Well then, nevermind, that'sokay.
I feel like I have.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Rachel and I couldn't like.
Everything we wanted was taken.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
And so Rachel was doing Like domains Domains, and
we wanted our own dot com.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And so not a dot co or a dot TV or you know a
million other ones.
Yeah, dot skincare or whatever,anyway.
So we.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
I mean, I will say that's Rachel, she.
I like to say she channeledthat name, but I wasn't into it
at first.
She's like heba, I'm gonna makeup a word.
And then I was like, oh man,here we go and she had all these
options and I was like I likethis one, and she's like I like
these three.

(38:17):
And I was like, well, whatabout these?
And she's man.
And so finally she chose thatname and I was like I, I don't
like it.
She's like I don't care.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Rachel, I love you.
Whatever, bro, stick to yourguns.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
And so then I was just like, whatever you went to
the Botanica part.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Oh, so the Botanica.
I'll tell you like where thatcame in.
So Botanica is because when Iwas a little boy, I would go
with my grandmother, my abuelitato to these stores that are
called botanicas, and you findthem in like latino
neighborhoods in the barrio onthe hood, and so have you guys
ever been to one, you've seenthem.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Oh, yeah, you've seen them.
Yeah, they're kind of scarysometimes.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, so she would go to this one in
particular all the time and thatold guy was like the, like
curandero or like healer guy,okay, and like he would do.
Like he would do like thesecleansing kind of ceremonies
with my grandma and me sometimes, but anyways, he had like I
just remember it was, he wasvery organized and neat, all
these little brown glass bottlesfilled with tonics and

(39:15):
tinctures and like potions andwhatever I don't know and so,
but some of it was like plantmedicine, you know.
And then prayer, candles on oneside, incense on another, and
then there was a section that Inever went to that was very
scary, full of witchy things andso anyways, so botanica comes
from that and so, but botanicameans botany in spanish so okay,

(39:38):
the concept for the store is amodern take on a botanica.
Okay, but an ode to my abuela oh, that's really nice so anyways,
um, so yeah, we, we made up,rachel made up a word, hiba, and
so it ended up.
Later on we found out that itmeans gift, or gift of god in
arabic, and this was a customer,that just was like hey do you

(39:59):
know what this means?
We're like nothing, we made itup.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
He's like no, actually it means gift, or gift
of god and then either the waywe pronounced it or the way we
spelled it.
We spelled it up.
He's like no, actually it meansgift or gift of god.
Either the way we pronounced itor the way we spelled it we
spelled it probably okay,because I think in farsi it's,
it's zebra the way we we spellit but, that means like natural
beauty, I believe, and then likesome other customers some other
customers said that in hebrewor old hebrew, I don't know that

(40:23):
it means natural or naturalbeauty anyway.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
So, gift of God, natural beauty.
We're like hey, it was meant tobe.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, god, that's amazing.
That's like a nice theme.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's been going.
It kind of just flows into itand just works out like in that
way.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
That's really cool.
Rachel's got the magic.
You just channeled that part.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I didn't argue, and I'm glad I didn't too hard.
Well, we love your stuff somuch, um, so okay, before, we
love the packaging as well.
Yeah, we love the print, thepackaging, everything.
That's just yeah, thank you, Ilove glass, anything okay.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
So let's see we're gonna do a rapid fire.
Five true or false, um falseokay, perfect yeah should I just
read it from my phone or lookat the notes up there?
It's harder, it's kind ofharder to look over there do one
.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Do read it from your phone once and read it up there
once and let me know how thedifference.
I hate you so much okay.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So true or false?
If a product says natural onthe label, it's guaranteed to be
non-toxic and safe for yourskin.
False, oh false.
Yeah, I think Majorly falseyeah you guys saw the answer,
but yeah, they know for sure,major false yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Natural.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I mean arsenic's natural.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Petroleum is natural.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Oh my God, put that in your car.
You probably shouldn't put iton your skin.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah, there's so many things out there that
are naturally poisonous to you?
Yeah, it doesn't mean youshould ingest it yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
It's not regulated and it could include synthetic
or harmful ingredients.
Okay, number two, true or false, essential oils like
frankincense should always beused undiluted, directly on the
skin.
False, false, yeah, yeah false,false, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
What would happen if I put just straight frankincense
?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
on my skin um some people break out in rashes.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
It's really concentrated um.
People can get almost likeburns from it yeah, I mean, it
doesn't usually bug me.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I've spilt many essential oils on my hands while
making stuff um, but I do knowpeople that have gotten like
rashes from the more intenseones, like tea tree, oh god,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, you can't use that without a little bit of a
carrier oil.
Yeah, you always want Um, but Ido know people that have gotten
like rashes from the moreintense ones like tea tree.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Oh God, yeah, yeah.
You can't use that without alittle bit of a carrier oil.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, you always want to dilute with, like a carrier
oil.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, All right True or false.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
That's right, sochi, you're right.
Carrier oil yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So some natural true or false some natural, it's like
citrus oils can make your skinmore sensitive to the sun.
True, True.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, they have like a certain chemical in them, and
then there's also essential oilsthat they've removed that
chemical.
So some of those are safe.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, it's usually.
There's usually like a certaintime that you can like certain
essential oils.
A lot of the citrus isspecifically from the fruit of
it, like some of them.
You know there's differentparts of the plant like leaves,
the rind, the you know, so italso depends the part of the
plant and then it also dependson the time.

(43:18):
So sometimes they're like, oh,you need to wait 30 minutes.
Some are like eight hours oh,wow so somewhere like the
sensitivity level is rangesgreatly.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
This was a mentoring, like bergamot.
Do you guys use bergamot inanything?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yes, you do.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I love the smell of bergamot Okay, and can be
phototoxic, it says.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Never take a picture of bergamot.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's phototoxic.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, all right, they can't all be hey, as long as I
heard myself say it, that's allthat matters true or false.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Natural skin care products are always better for
sensitive skin that word natural, yeah, any comments on that?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
we never say natural.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
We always say non-toxic, plant-based and
organic so we don't like theterm natural, we always say
non-toxic plant-based andorganic.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, so we don't like the term natural.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
We don't use it in our that's just a lot of
greenwashing with natural.
So we kind of want to be morespecific to what our brand does
train our staff and team to notuse natural as one of the
descriptors for our product.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
That's a really good point to yeah because you don't
put all these words out there.
It's like when this is sostupid, but like when people
like they're like microwave,safe plastic.
It's like it's safe.
It's safe for the plastic likeit's like that kind of thing
where it's like you can saywhatever you want and it's like
double speak.
But no, that's, that's cool orlike natural flavors yeah, yeah,
natural flavors actually like abrand.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, it's like it's in capital letters.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I'm like wait a second.
Why is A lot of lawyers, yeahDouble speaking for these brands
?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Okay, and then the last one True or false, plastic
packaging can leach harmfulchemicals into your skincare
products over time.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
True yeah, absolutely .
Whether heat is applied or notor not.
Yeah, oh wow.
And especially with essentialoils.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You're never supposed to put essential oils in
plastic ever fat leeches right,like the oily things, like don't
they leach plastic into them?
I mean just essential, or doesit break it down essential?

Speaker 3 (45:12):
oils that break it down.
Yeah, that's why, like you,like, if you ever buy an
essential oil and it's packagedinto plastic, you should just
return it, because it's likeeating away the plastic or even
a skincare.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
If you buy skincare, that's natural right or whatever
that has real essential oils.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It's in plastic, it's gonna it's gonna wear down the
plastic yeah and then you'reputting that micro, whatever
plastic on yeah, I'm never goingback, ever since we've gotten
your stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So thank god you have one here and one there, because
we're both places all the time,so we'll be visiting you, I
remember as a kid I neverrealized like just how much
chemicals had, like the powerthey do or what they're, that
you can't contain them and justanything.
I remember being a kid pouringgasoline into a water gallon jug
and then leaving, going likewhat?

Speaker 4 (45:57):
and it's like the bottom is all like melted yeah,
what so like, and then like thatitself is like, that's like
inhaling it as you do it.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly it's it's a really yeah,
what a, what a day uh just geta day.
What a week um, uh, but yeah,it's just amazing how you know,
and that's also uh an oil aswell, right?
Petroleum yeah right, see, Iknew stuff all right cool.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I feel good about that so yeah, so the endocrine
disruptors like bpa is like whatyou were talking about, right,
the microplastics is that's bpa,right, bpa is what does it
stand for by polys.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I don't remember what it stands for, but it's.
It's a chemical in plastic thatleaches out and it everything
that's bpa now also containsother like bpfs or something
like so, even though they madeother versions without the aid,
but it's bp and then some other.

(46:55):
Oh, man wow kind of it's like ajust a slight variation of the
chemical it's the same chemicalbut just a slight variation.
Like a molecule, like themolecules are slightly different
, right.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Like the isomer of it , basically just like the mirror
image of, like the.
That's such an interestingthing to again double speak,
like in this.
I don't want to get tooscientific here, but we got
ketchup once and it said nosugar added Right, you turn it
over and it's sorbitol.
Well, thanks.
That kind of thing where youreally have to pay attention.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
You kind of want to.
Just actually, you'd rather getsugar than get whatever fake
sugars.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
And that's why I love what you guys stuff.
It's like you look at it andyou're like oh, I can pronounce
everything here.
Oh, my God, and it all makessense and it just yeah, that's
huge, and that's one sellingpoint.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
When we have customers that don't know
anything about what we do.
It's like when you turn anylabel over and you're like I
can't read that sentencesentence word yes sentence
chemical word I don't, I can't.
Well, you probably shouldn'tput it up if you can't pronounce
it.
By the way, I would like tomake everybody know, uh, we are
not being sponsored in any wayby, uh, hebrew botanica so we're
just fans, but we are huge fans, yeah and um, I'm just going to
mention something else aboutthat.
But, yeah, did you havesomething you wanted to say?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
oh, you're switching babies.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I brought the check, by the way, thank you it'll
clear yeah, I was gonna ask ifyeah, alright, well, yeah, thank
you guys so much for coming andbringing your gorgeous baby and
yeah what did you?
What were you guys?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I was gonna ask before we get out of here, just
because people can get in touchwith you guys is there like your
social?
Is there some place that you'dlike them to be able to reach
out to you specifically?
Or we'll put all theinformation down here and then
when you guys give us the checkfor $200, we'll release the
information.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Only $200?
Oh great.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Yeah, it was fun oh wow, I wrote a $2,000 check, but
I'll tear it up.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I don't like too many zeros, I get to get a little.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
She's like what she's like.
You're using checks.
She's outraged.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Where can anybody find you?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Hibabotanicacom.
That's our website that'sX-E-B-A so Hiba like Mexico or
Oaxaca, x sounds like an H andthen you can go online and find
all of the handles, but oursocial is Hiba Botanica at
Instagram, for all the socials.
It's a very healing name, evenjust saying it Hiba Botanica at

(49:25):
Instagram for all the socials.
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
It's a very healing name, even just saying it Hiba
Botanica.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Hiba Botanica.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, botanica just makes me think of like the
rainforests and like trees andlike just something you know,
very natural stuff.
So it's a nice visual RightSochi, exactly.
I just want to make sureeverybody knew that the general
response I get when I say stuffis like a baby Just looking at
me.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
All right, well, thank you guys so much for
coming, thank you.
This will be out on Wednesdayof next week at 3 am and that's
about it.
So thanks for tuning in, guys,and we'll see you guys next week
.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Thanks for having us.
I'm not sure which camera isgoing to where, but yeah, wave
at.