Wrap Party Episode!

This week, Valerie and Carly invite the undergrads to talk a little more about why and how we started the podcast. While we're away on break, follow us on instagram @sexdrugsscience or email us with any questions at [e-mail]. As always, subscribe to the podcast to stay up to date with the next season!

Episode Transcript

Valerie (00:12):
I'm Valerie Earnshaw.

Carly (00:14):
I'm Carly Hill.

Valerie (00:15):
and this is sex, drugs and science.
So now in this episode, we areinviting you to our wrap
episode.
So this is sort of like our, youknow, end of season celebration
conversation with ourundergraduate research
assistants who have been workingon the podcast all summer, just
for a little bit of context.
This is something that we do inour lab.

(00:38):
At the end of every semester, wehave sort of a parties.
So this says, you know, I don'tknow if anybody felt like this
wrap episode was the party, butit was fun.
It was a fun conversation and wekind of reflected on why we made
the podcast and also how we didit.

(01:06):
Hey, rock stars, welcome to thewrap party.
End of season.

Carly (01:13):
wooo

Alyssa (01:13):
yay

Valerie (01:13):
All right.
So I thought that we could kickoff our party by introducing
ourselves.
If you could just, you know,tell everybody maybe your name,
a little bit about you so thatthey can connect, um, your names
and your voices.
So Alyssa, why don't we startwith you?

Alyssa (01:31):
Hi, my name is Alyssa.
Um, I'm a rising senior atuniversity of Delaware.
Um, I am a public policy majorwith a minor in anthropology.
And my role with this podcast isI help do some research for each
coming guests.
Um, I do some social media workand I also help with the

(01:52):
transcribing occasionally.

Valerie (01:53):
Awesome.
All right, Sarah.

Sarah (01:56):
Hi, my name's Sarah Lopez.
I'm also a rising senior and mymajor is human relations
administration.
I just really love working withpeople.
Um, and I joined the lab becauseI didn't know exactly what went
into the research and the wholeprocess in, um, a whole research
project.
So I really love that I'm ableto be a part of this podcast,

(02:17):
but also just being able to bethat behind the scenes that goes
into such great work that, um,we see going on in this lab and
in other labs as well, and inthe lab, Alyssa and I, my
favorite part of being byfavorite part of being a lab
member was last summer Alyssaand I coded multiple interviews.

(02:37):
And that was one of the bestthings I think I've done in this
lab.
It was really fun cause you wereable to read interviews, um,
kind of see what it's like tointerview these people.
It almost felt like I was a partof the interview.
Um, but that was my favoritething, but I also love working
on this podcast as well.

Valerie (02:55):
I forgot about that.
So last summer the group wascoding all of these qualitative
interviews that C arly and ourgraduate student Natalie had
done in our local methadoneclinic.
And I remember I knew thatAlyssa was going to be great for
that particular job because shecame into the interview with

(03:17):
this like monster book that shewas reading.
Alyssa.
Do you remember what book youwere reading?

Alyssa (03:23):
I was, I came in with The Game of Thrones.

Valerie (03:26):
Yes.
Oh, if this lady likes to readas, I mean, we had hundreds and
hundreds of pages of, um,qualitative interviews.
Like we had qualitativeinterviews from 150 people times
two, right?

Carly (03:39):
Yeah.

Valerie (03:40):
You did two time points.

Carly (03:41):
So they were all like an hour long, some of them two
hours long at least.

Valerie (03:47):
Sarah and Alyssa completely rocked it.
Like, I mean, amazing.
Like did all of the qualitativecoding for that.
That was really great.
Yeah.
That's that makes me feel greatthat you enjoyed that.
That's really nice.
Alright, I'm kicking it over toMackenzie.

Mackenzie (04:03):
Hi, I'm Mackenzie.
I just graduated from theuniversity of Delaware.
I was a health behavior sciencemajor with a minor in public
health.
So being part of this lab hasbeen really great, learning more
about the, um, public healthworld and the stigmas that go
along with it.
And I've learned so much and I'm, I've really am grateful for

(04:27):
having this opportunity.
Um, and I just started a jobworking in the healthcare field

Valerie (04:33):
And that's how you know that McKenzie is a complete and
total rock star because shestarted a new job was newly
hired.
First time, first adult, like,you know, big deal gig during
the pandemic.

Carly (04:47):
Yeah!

Valerie (04:47):
And no one is starting new jobs.

Mackenzie (04:51):
Thank you, ha ha

Valerie (04:51):
Congratulations McKenzie.
We're super thrilled.
Um, and we're also glad that weget to hang out with you for a
couple more weeks as you haveyour internship.

Mackenzie (05:00):
Thank you.
And I, um, in terms of what I dofor the podcast or the research,
I, um, transcribe podcastepisodes and I do a little bit
of work working, um, thecoronavirus conspiracy theory
research.

Valerie (05:15):
It keeps you busy cause there are so many conspiracy
theories.

Mackenzie (05:18):
Exactly.

Valerie (05:20):
All right.
And last, but certainly notleast we'll kick it over to
Christina.

Christina (05:25):
Hi everyone.
I'm Christina.
This fall, I'll be starting mysophomore year at the university
of Delaware.
I'm majoring in computer scienceand minoring in human
development and family sciencesfor the podcast.
I edit the episodes and I helpout with researching the guests
as needed.
Um, I'm really excited that I'ma part of this lab because I
really value the intersection ofhumans and science.

Valerie (05:48):
love any rising sophomore who loves an
intersection with science.
Especially, humans and science.
It's just like, you know, nowI'm like the emoji, like with
all of the hearts coming out ofit, it's just really my, my
favorite thing.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
All right.
Well I think we are going to diginto our podcast origin story.

(06:09):
So I sort of feel like, like,this is the part of the podcast
where we need like a campfireand we need to like pull up our
seats or something, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just like envision that, Imean, Christina, maybe later you
could like add some likecrackling.

Carly (06:24):
Crickets and stuff?
Yeah.

Christina (06:26):
Yeah, totally

(06:26):
Cause this is such...

Carly (06:27):
I mean, you know, the ambiance maybe all right.
Someone playing like kumbaya onthat guitar or wonder wall or
something.

Valerie (06:33):
I think most realistically there should be
sounds of Carly burning hermarshmallow and then like, you
know, eating it too quickly.
And then Yeah.
How did you know?
That is exactly how I eat mostly.

Christina (06:44):
That is like oddly specific.

Carly (06:46):
b ut incredibly on point.
So yeah.

Valerie (06:50):
Okay.
All right.
So I feel like I should say itwas a dark and stormy night, but
it wasn't, it was our originstory begins with me giving a
webinar for the nationalinstitutes of health.
It was their office of diseaseprevention.
They have this, um, webinarsseries where they have

(07:13):
scientists come on and they dolike an hour long presentation,
basically on some sort of methodthat mostly like social and
behavioral sciences might applyto their research.
So I was invited to do one ofthese webinars and um, let me

(07:33):
preface by saying I gave, I givea lot of talks and in 2019, for
some reason I gave like a lot, alot of talks and this particular
talk, I really like threw myback into like, I, I spent a lot
of time thinking about how Iwanted to give the talk or the
webinar.
Cause I knew it would be likesaved on the internet.

(07:54):
I wrote it out.
I even like a couple of weeksbeforehand, I had to give a
different talk and I likepreviewed parts of it to see if
it would go out.
Like I could feed back.
I was like, I was really likeman this is a good talk.

(08:09):
Well, and it paid off.

Carly (08:10):
Because what she's not going to say is that it was also
like one of the highestregistered Like, so like the
most participants they'd hadregistered for the...

Valerie (08:20):
Yeah.
For the series today.
So that was very cool.
They were like hundreds ofpeople who were in, who were,
you know, tuning in for thiswebinar, which was really neat.
Um, so I was even after thewebinar, I felt really good.
And then I get this email fromthis guy and he's got a lot of
pro tips for me about how to dobetter in my, um, in

(08:44):
presentations, including this,um, piece, which I'm going to
read for you, even though itmakes, you know, it definitely
makes me embarrassed, butanyway, he goes,"I apologize at
the outset of this, if it seemsto have a personal tone to it
because it is not intended fromthat direction".
And now I'm realizing I can'tget through this reading this

(09:04):
without like annotating.
So I just want to say that ifyou have to start an email by
saying.

(09:09):
"like no offense, but"

Valerie (09:12):
"No offense but" essentially like don't write the
email.
Okay, got that out of my system.
Maybe I can get through therest.
"What has come to be known asValley speak the rising of the
tone slash pitch at the end ofeach phrase or sentence and or
the emphasizing of the lastsyllable of a word such that the
auditory result is that thephrase slash sentence seems to

(09:33):
be a question rather than astatement has become common
amongst some speakers." And, um,he didn't say which speakers, he
meant women, and I'm pretty surehe met younger women.
Talk to him.
"It can be quite distracting tolisteners in an audience in that
it directs the listener's mindon a path to expect, to have to

(09:55):
answer an inquiry rather thanaccept a statement.
The latter of which most oftenis intended as another piece in
the foundation or other slashfurther structural member of the
presentation."

Carly (10:08):
Dude, wait guys, how much did auditory result?
Like yeah, bruh what?

Valerie (10:16):
So I get this email and then I just feel like the, I
felt terrible.
Like I'm a stigma researcher.
I have since classified, likethis was a sexist thing to
receive.
Um, but I get this and I justfeel like, Oh my gosh, I sound
really dumb on everything I say,including this, uh, webinar and

(10:39):
I'm using Valley speak.
And so it just, it made me feelreally low.
And I mean his whole email, Imean, there are other pro tips,
like it's just terrible.
Um, but then I was like, youknow, how does this guy know
what scientists actually soundlike?
Like, yes, maybe I'm usingValley speak.
Um, or maybe I have some upsspeak.

(11:00):
Although Carly assures me,that's not as bad as they think.

(11:03):
Yeah well I said, how many

Carly (11:04):
Guys, how many times has Dr.
Earnshaw Said something?
You're like, dude, I don't knowif that's a question or like a
statement.
I don't know, like what she'ssaying to me that has not
happened.

Christina (11:12):
It's just like you understand that people
communicate in different ways.

Valerie (11:17):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I essentially felt like hewas like your listen little
girl, you need to change the wayyou speak so that you sound like
a scientist.
And I kind of started circlingaround into then a place of
anger and frustration first offbeing like, you know, not super
impressive that you thought for45 minutes to an hour, that I

(11:40):
was personally asking youquestions.
And like, that must have beenvery confusing for you, sir.
So like for him, but then also,you know, like I said into this
place of like, how would youknow what a scientist sounds
like?
You know, you might read ourpublications, you might, um,
yeah, you might read ourpublications or, you know, see

(12:02):
our stuff on the website, butyou don't hear from scientists.
You don't know who they are.
So this, I am a scientist.
I think I'm a decent scientistand this is how I talk and it's
fine.
And so actually, um, you know,just in this vein, one of the
things that we don't do on thispodcast is really script
anything.

(12:22):
It's supposed to sound like howwe actually speak.
Like there are wonderfulpodcasts out there who have that
had different goals and, and um,the academics on those podcasts
are very scripted.
They like write their script andthen they read their script and
we're purposefully not doingthat because we think that it's
important for people to hearlike, this is how scientists

(12:43):
talk to each other.
Like it's casual, maybe there'ssome Valley speak, but none of
us are confused about whetherwe're asking each other
questions.

(12:50):
nope

Valerie (12:53):
All right.
So then I had this idea like,okay, we need to hear more from
scientists.
We need to A hear their voicesand B like, wouldn't it be
interesting to hear, you know,more about a Stephanie store
leader said the people behindthe publications a little bit,
like how did they get into this?
Like clearly we need to recruitalso more people into this gig.
So we have more diverse voices.

(13:15):
So, um, I then called my friendKim Nelson from episode two and
I was like, Kim, what if I starta podcast?
And she was like, you know,A-plus idea go right ahead.
And I said, okay.
But if I get any hate mail, youknow, or more critiquey emails,
I'm just gonna forward all ofthose to you.

(13:35):
Cause that's the part of thisthat I don't, I'm not excited
about it.
And she said deal, which is why,if you do have any complaints
about the podcast, we'd like youto direct them to KayNells@fau
.com and we'd appreciate that.
Don't send them to us.
And then to Kim Nelson.

(13:51):
Yeah.
If you have any nice things tosay, hit us up.

Valerie (13:53):
Yeah.
Any nice things, you know, sendthem right to us.
So yeah.
Then we, um, you know, got thegreen light from Kim that this
wasn't a terrible idea.
And then immediately wrote Carlyinto the nonsense.
Um, and then we brought it tothe group and we had a
discussion about it.
So I dunno.
Do you guys, do you rememberwhen we brought it to the group,

(14:14):
was it, did it sound like areally weird thing to be doing
or did it sound like a fun thingto be doing?

Christina (14:21):
I think something that I like about this lab and
maybe just being like a firstgen student, I didn't really
know how research work.
I was like, Oh, this is justsomething we're going to do.
Like anything is possible.
And we're like just going totackle anything that we want to
do in this lab.
So I also liked that you havelike science friends in the
field who are you call up?
And you're like, Hey, can westart a pod?
Like we should start a podcast.
What do you think?
And they're like, yeah, totally.

(14:41):
Like, I love that that supportexists within the community.

Valerie (14:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

(14:47):
I think for me too, the other thing that was funny was that
the way that you firstapproached me was more like,

Carly (14:52):
You know, we totally don't have to do this at all.
Like, is this stupid?
Like, you know, is this evensomething you'd want to do?
And I'm like, do I want to makea podcast for a living-- Yup?
Like, isn't that everyone'sgoal?
Like this is, you know, not thatI'm doing it, you know, for a
living.
I just mean to say that like,this is definitely a part of the
work that I do obviously.

(15:14):
And like, how cool is that?
That I was like, yeah, where doI sign up?
Where do we begin?

Valerie (15:20):
Yeah, totally.
It was, yeah.
I mean, would you rather spendall of your time coding?

Carly (15:28):
I like that too.
I'm a weirdo, but I dodefinitely love this, but it was
just funny that I think, youknow, you were like, Oh, it
might be a hard sell.
And I was like, Oh, absolutely.

Valerie (15:36):
Well, mostly because we don't have time to do this.
Right.
So there's no time to do this,but we're doing it anyway.
And we're enjoying it.

Sarah (15:43):
I still think that you should frame this email and like
put it somewhere where like yousee it every morning and then
remind yourself who you are andthen how far you've come.
And also how many people are onthat, that conference or that
talk.
And this person was the only oneto say something.

Valerie (16:05):
Yeah.
Well, isn't that like the funnything though, when you
experience discrimination thatlike you could feel really
amazing about it, but then it'slike that one, that one person
who tried to take you down anotch who, and you need to not
let them.
I think that I really love thatSarah, that's a really great
cause like even what I did was Iforwarded it to some colleagues,

(16:26):
they read it and laughed andthen I buried it.
Like I archived it and evencopying and paste it, pasting it
into this email.
It's like a first time I'velooked at it since.
And I just, it made me feel selfconscious again, to be really
honest.
I was like,"ah my valleysspeak".
Everyone's going to know that'sa really empowering thing.
That'd be a really empoweringthing to do.

(16:47):
I mean, we could really havelike a whole wall right in the
office, these types of thingsand experience, right.
Just start documenting

Carly (16:57):
Instead of anything, like reach out to the guy and say,
thank you because you know, youinspired a pretty awesome
podcast and you know, withoutyou and you're kind and what was
it?
The, uh, you know, thenon-personal words, sir, like we
get to do this podcast.
So thanks.

Valerie (17:15):
Well, I I'm worried if I email him back, he'll see the
link to the podcast in my notes.
I'm not worried or in my emailsignature, I'm not worried that
he'll listen to this.
That would be great.
I am worried though, that he'sgonna like be driving around,
listening to the podcast andthinking, I'm asking him
questions like all of the timeand be distracted.

(17:37):
Like what if he gets into anaccident?
Or like, what if something, whatif he trips like something bad
could happen to him because heis trying to answer me.
Right.
Just be dangerous.
But yeah, no, I mean, we couldconsider it as well.
All right.
So we had the idea, we had the,we obviously had an ACE team.

(17:58):
The next thing was to, um,figure out obviously our cover
art and our music.
So what was the story behind ourcover art and music?

Alyssa (18:10):
Um, so I went to middle school with, um, with my friend
Connie and we were in the artprogram and I've stayed friends
with her since.
And I thought, um, since she wasattending art school, Micah,
that she would be a really goodcandidate for potentially
drafting up a cover, like apodcast cover.
Um, so I got Connie and then interms of the music, um, I

(18:35):
listened to low fi hip hop forlike studying sometimes.
Occasionally.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Um, and then I talked to Carly

Carly (18:43):
I think.
Yeah.
I think the, I said like, I waslike, well, you know, like I
think I try to be like cool andhip with the undergrads.
It was like, maybe like somelike low fi hip hop.
But I just kept saying that Idon't know that I like actually
knew what that meant, but Alyssawas like, dude, I got ya.
And came up with, you know,found the city girl track and

(19:05):
it's awesome.

Valerie (19:07):
Yeah.
Alyssa played like two, like aminute of the city girls
soundtrack.
And we were like, yep.
Sold, how do we, what do we donext?
Yeah.

(19:14):
Yup

Valerie (19:14):
Yeah.
I would like to back up a minutethough, because Connie is
amazing.
She's a really fantastic artistand we're super glad a, you
know, that you introduced us andAlyssa and Connie used to do a
Gilmore girls zine, I believe,which is amazing.
Is that true?
Am I embarrassing?

Alyssa (19:34):
No, you're not embarrassing.
It never came to fruit.
It never was actualized,unfortunately, but we do very
much love Gilmore Girls.

(19:41):
I mean, who doesn't, you know?

Valerie (19:45):
Um, well, the other thing I wanted to say was that
we sent Connie the concept, youknow, sex, drugs and science and
Connie sent us back, you know,we've landed on like a like I
think a pretty G rated cover.
Our Connie sent us back somepretty fantastic, not G read it.

Carly (20:01):
Yeah.
Like some beautifully spicy.

Valerie (20:04):
It was so good!

(20:04):
Yeah, I know

Valerie (20:05):
It was spicy, um, yeah, so maybe this will be another
point in the podcast where we'llplug our Instagram at sex drug
science, and we'll have to, um,follow up with Connie and get
permission to post some of herlike more spicy artwork to the,
um, to the podcast or sorry tothe Instagram page.

(20:26):
But, um, and you can see there,but some of it, you know, we
sort of felt like, well, if ourboss at the university, maybe we
can't, um, maybe they'll havesome questions about what we're
up to, but yeah, it was amazing.
And, um, it was really fun towork with her.

(20:46):
So, yeah.
Alright.
And then we had a podcast prettymuch.
I mean, we had to interviewpeople, I guess.

(20:52):
Yeah.
But I mean like that pretty muchall came together.
It felt super legit after that.
I think that's what we needed todo to get in the mindset.

Carly (20:59):
So like, all right, now, now we're real.
Pod-casters, it's not equipment.

Valerie (21:04):
We have a cover.
I will say.
I think the thing we probablyunderestimated the most was
maybe editing and Christinatotally came to the rescue for
that.
So Christina, you basicallytaught yourself audacity.
Right?
And figured out...

Christina (21:17):
okay.
So Google taught me like, thisis like one of the biggest
things in computer science thatall of my professors like stress
, you have to know how to Googleeverything.
And I was like, that makes nosense.
Like everyone knows how toGoogle, but then I was like, Oh,
you need to know how to Googlethings.
Once I started working withaudacity and it's just like,
it's hard, but it's like, it's afun learning curve and I really

(21:40):
enjoy it.

Valerie (21:40):
Yeah.
You've been fantastic.
And Christina has the ambitionsto go onto a PhD program, which
I'm sure that she will becauseshe's super, super talented.
And at some point I think thisseason with one of our guests,
we talked about how basicallygetting a PhD is like really
knowing how to Google stuff, youknow, because you're just
constantly learning.

(22:00):
You're constantly figuring itout.
So whether it's Google, Google,or Google scholar, you're just
kind of, you really need tolearn.
You really need to be able topick up new skills and
constantly be sort of evolving.
So I think that skillset willcontinue to serve you well.

(22:13):
yeah, you'll be ahead of the curve.

Valerie (22:16):
Yeah.
All right.
So early on, um, one of thefirst, one of the first things
we did in addition to, you know,cover art, music, start thinking
out guests was, we actually satdown and thought through why we
wanted to do this, which was, Ithink a good process and Alyssa

(22:37):
drafted what we, um, have calledour manifesto.
So Alyssa, do you want to kickus off?
And, um, it's a four pointmanifesto.
So to kick us off and read thepoint 1.

Alyssa (22:53):
S ure.
U m, the first point is, u m,shift the public's perception
towards social science,debunking hard versus soft
science.

(23:03):
I think we've done that.

Valerie (23:04):
Yup.
Check.

Sarah (23:06):
And then following that is disrupting idea that hard
science is objective and socialscience is subjective.

Carly (23:14):
Definitely check.

Valerie (23:16):
I really enjoyed how, uh, Sam Friedman, who is our
bonus episode, he talked a lotabout that.
You know, I think he would saythat all science is, um, through
the lens of the scientist.
Alright.

Christina (23:32):
And then the third point is humanized stories of
marginalized people.

Mackenzie (23:38):
and last but not least spotlighting professionals
and community members working inthe realm of social sciences.

(23:47):
Definitely check.

Valerie (23:48):
Yeah.
Alyssa A-plus on the manifesto.

(23:51):
Yeah.
And go team.
We did it.

Valerie (23:54):
Yeah.
And I'll say, I appreciate that.
The hard versus, you know,debunking hard versus soft
science is prominent in ourmanifesto because nothing drives
me more bananas than someone,you know, referring to what I do
as soft science or I don't evenlike social science to be
honest, because I feel like it'sothering.

(24:14):
Like if you're a biologist,you're just a scientist.
If you're a chemist, you're justa scientist.
But as soon as you study humans,you know, and their
interactions, then you're asocial scientist.
So I don't, I don't like that.
I'm just a scientist.
So, um, I really love that partof our manifesto is to like, is

(24:36):
to debunk that and to, and tonot other social, you know,
social science, behavioralscience to just say, you know,
this is science.
So I always tell when I teachresearch methods class, I always
tell the students in thoseclasses, that understanding
humans is really, really hardand designing strong studies to
understand humans is, is superchallenging.

(24:59):
So they might be glad thatthey're not in chemistry, but
they're still, you know,buckling up for a pretty
challenging, um, science.
Right.
So, okay.
So the other, um, thing that Ithink in our early discussions,
we thought was an important partof what we were doing is

(25:21):
disseminating science.
Um, and I think we had a lot ofconversations and we actually,
you know, did some readingaround why is it important to
disseminate science essentiallybeyond peer reviewed
publications?
So, um, most of the people thatwe've interviewed over the
course of the summer, they dotheir research.

(25:41):
They write their research up inthese articles.
They send them out to these, youknow, specific scientific
journals they're reviewed by, um, their peers by other
scientists in the field.
And then they're published inthat journal.
And then that's it like, that'swhere that piece of information
lives.
And unless you have access toone of those journals, because

(26:02):
maybe you're affiliated with auniversity or, um, some, some of
the, some of the articles thatinclude science that was funded
by NIH has to be freelyavailable.
But, um, a lot of that researchis behind a paywall.
Like you have to pay like$40 toaccess some of these articles.
So we had a lot of conversationsaround why it's super important

(26:25):
to, um, to disseminatescientific findings beyond peer
reviewed articles and also to doit in a way that is accessible.
You know, sometimes thesearticles are written in a way
that is, you know, scientificwriting.
So it's not super user friendly.
Um, so what do you guys thinkabout, you know, it's been a few
months since that conversation,what do you think it means to

(26:47):
you to be disseminatingscientific information and
knowledge in this sort ofcurrent era, especially a lot
has changed in terms ofactivism, black lives matter,
um, reforming police brutality,even COVID.
I mean, how has your thoughts onscience dissemination evolved.

Christina (27:07):
something that I've definitely noticed, especially
in relation to like science andthe general public is that we
don't really like think usingthe scientific method, which
like, obviously we don't we'rehumans, but I think what I
really value about thescientific method that isn't
always talked about is thatyou're allowed to be wrong.
And we always like the paper isfocused on the hypotheses or the

(27:28):
findings that are right.
But like behind every paperthere's like failed hypotheses.
There's evidence that doesn'tsupport what you were looking
for.
And part of science is lookingat the evidence and forming
conclusions that you might nothave initially thought you would
come to.
And I think that's reallyimportant, especially in terms
of like activism and challengingsocial norms.
I think that we have to likeaccept that.

(27:49):
Like my, one of my professorssaid that failure is just an
opportunity to ask new questionsand I think that's really like
failure has such a badconnotation, but I think when
you think about it, in terms ofthe scientific method, failure
is just like one step in thelearning process.
And I just think that we need tobe okay with being wrong as long
as we take steps tounderstanding what's right.

Valerie (28:14):
I feel like we should just conclude this whole thing
now.
Um, well, okay.
So first of all, my mind firstwas going in the direction of
COVID.
Cause you know, like I thinkthat people are upset when like
we are getting things wrong andthere's this whole conversation
right around likehydroxychloroquine right now and
was, you know, and people havelike zero tolerance for things

(28:37):
being wrong or being debated.
And you're so right.
That it's just like an inherentpart of the con of the
scientific method.
And then on the other side ofthat, it speaks directly to
black lives matter.
I mean, we're getting it wrongin our systems and our
institutions and um, thescientific method does offer up
a way of being like, yeah, it'sokay, we got it wrong.

(28:58):
We need to re figure it out.
We need to look at the patternsof what's happening and then we
need to figure out solutions toit.
That's yeah.
That's a really interesting wayto kind of think about
everything happening thissummer.

Christina (29:09):
Yeah.
And I think, especially withlike the systems, people take it
as a personal threat when you'relike, this system is doing it
wrong or this person is doing itwrong.
But I think that caused us to gowith the way that we approach
it.
Like one of the organizations Imet and talks about calling
people in, instead of callingpeople out and like, it's not a
personal attack when you say thesystem is wrong or the system is
hurting people it's"Hey, likethere's a problem that we can

(29:31):
take active steps to make it notas wrong".
It's not like a personal threat,always.

Mackenzie (29:42):
I would agree with what Christina says, especially
with, um, like researcharticles, mostly just focusing
on like what went well.
Um, when a lot of times I thinkthat there needs to be a lot of
focus on not only like what wentwrong or like what wasn't, what
we were expecting, but also putmore focus on what we can do to

(30:06):
make things better for thefuture.
Because like, yeah, you canreport all the results you want,
but if you're not looking to seelike, well, how can we take what
we have?
Like the information we have nowbased on, you know, the research
we've done or, you know, thestudies and basically applying
that to be better in the future.

(30:26):
I feel like that's not like it'snot really going to, it's not
beneficial if you don't takethat information and you try to
make, um, like better outcomesand better future.

Valerie (30:40):
I love that Mackenzie.
And I think what happens oftenis that, you know, scientists
have 3000 words to describetheir full study, all the
reasons they did it, everythingthey found, all the strengths
and limitations.
And then that leaves them like ahundred words to talk about how
to apply it.
So all of the scientists thatwe've interviewed have like deep

(31:00):
and complex thoughts about whatto do with our work and why it's
important and how to make theworld a better place.
But in those 3000 words, youknow, those articles they're not
going to get there.
And so yeah, opening up like aplatform or a space for people
to talk more about that I thinkis super important.
Yeah.
That's a really great point.

Carly (31:18):
One of my favorite questions to ask a lot of the
people that we've interviewed sofar is like in your ideal world,
you know, what is your idealintervention or your, you know,
what's your end all be all.
Or the, the, you know, how arewe going to fix it?
And that question leads to a lotof really interesting
conversations that I feel likeexactly what you're just saying,

(31:39):
doctor and shows that wewouldn't otherwise get that
because, you know, it's hard toput all that stuff with, you
know, the, the right sort offeeling in it in 300 words or
less, you know, so that's a goodone.

Valerie (31:51):
Can I ask?
Cause I know, um, just becausein this moment of COVID and
black lives matter and, um, thatwas a special guest appearance
from my dog Katniss, by the way.
But, um, I know that you you'reall at home.
And um, so like, you know, whenyou're in a university setting,
you're in this kind of, you'rekind of like in a bubble, even

(32:14):
though some of the people inyour bubble might be a share,
have different views from you.
Of course.
And, um, that's certainly thecase at our university as well
as many others.
But I think it's particularlyinteresting to go to be kind of
navigating through this reallypronounced moment for science

(32:35):
and activism and social changeat home.
What's it like for you toconversations maybe about COVID
or about black lives matter withother people in your, you know,
in your networks when you havemaybe one scientific
understanding of how thingswork?
Like I have a scientificunderstanding about what social
distancing means or about whatblack or about, sorry, what, um,

(32:57):
masks mean.
And then somebody else has adifferent one.
How do you engage in thatscientific conversation?
Or how do you engage in aconversation with someone who
doesn't understand systemicracism or, or doesn't think that
that's really a problem?
How do you think about since youall have, you know, scientific
understandings of some of theseissues, how do you engage in

(33:19):
those conversations with peoplewho might disagree with you or
have you had to do that?
Has that been something you'vehad to navigate?

Alyssa (33:27):
Um, I personally, like, I think one of the most
important things when you'rehaving a conversation with
someone whose like, view, likedoesn't align with yours is to
have empathy when you enter theconversation.
And another key part I wouldmention is I'm trying to
understand their point of viewand understand like, what are
they, what is their concept ofsay like systemic racism,

Valerie (33:52):
It's a very kind approach.

(33:53):
Yeah.

Sarah (33:55):
And then I, I would agree, but also, um, from like
my high school experience andthen we'll, for some context,
I'm from Southern Delaware.
So Southern Delaware is a littlebit, um, a little different than
Northern Delaware, which iswhere I go to school.
UD

Valerie (34:13):
Some could say it's more conservative socially in
Southern Delaware.
Yeah.

Sarah (34:18):
Yeah.
So with the whole black livesmatter movement, kind of gaining
some more attention in the mediarecently, it's been a little,
you know, awkward down here toeven have some of these
conversations because some ofthe people down here are just so
close minded and are not evenwilling to have a conversation
with.
So I've had this conversationmany times with some of the

(34:40):
people I grew up with, and it'snot that I don't consider them
friends anymore.
I just know who I can talk toand who I can't talk to about
certain issues that are goingon.
But it, it upsets me becauseit's not even like things that
should be debated.
It's basic human rights that aresometimes debated and that's
something that shouldn't be.
And sometimes you get so muchpushback from some of these

(35:02):
people.
It just hurts me to know thatthey don't understand this and
that they continue going throughtheir lives, like hurting others
and just thinking this way.
And it's hard.
I think it's hard because likeyou grow up with some people,
but then you realize as you growup, like how different you are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christina (35:22):
Yeah, definitely going off of what Sarah was
saying about how some argumentsare about human rights.
I've definitely started tonotice that there are arguments
or conversations.
I have the privilege to takepart in.
So I've started to shut themdown.
Like I'm not going to sit there,argue with someone over whether
black lives matter or not.
Like it's a privilege to be ableto argue that point.

(35:42):
And I don't think it'sproductive to have that argument
at all.
And I think once I make thatpoint, like we're coming from a
place where it's a privilege tobe able to argue over that or
not really like thatcommunicates it pretty well.
But with like science, one thingthat I've learned is when you're
trying to have an argument over,whether someone should like
believe in science or not, youcan't approach it
scientifically, which is likevery paradoxical, but like you

(36:07):
have to appeal to their emotionsmore.
So it's more like, well, if youdon't wear a mask, then one of
your older relatives is going toget hurt.
And then it, like, you have tokind of make it about them,
which is like not a greatconversation to have, but like
when you make things personal, Ithink more that appeals to
people more, when it hits closerto home, then like scientific
finding might communicatesomething.

Valerie (36:28):
I feel like that's a very evidence based approach
even

Mackenzie (36:35):
And I'll just add that.
I feel as if my experiences, Iguess, with like my education.
And, um, I feel like I've justlearned so much about these
types of issues going on rightnow.
And it's made me like happy thatat least I feel as if I'm not

(36:57):
like close minded aboutsomething and I'm not like stuck
in my ways.
And just like seeing people whoare just so stuck in their ways
and not willing to see, youknow, people's like opinions or
like see the opposite side.
It just really, I guess, showsjust how I guess grateful I am

(37:18):
to be able to realize, well,like, you know, I'm going to, I
don't know, this doesn't makesense.
Like I'm not going to be likestuck believing one thing.
And I'm going to like, you know,hear other opinions and like use
what I've learned, I guess as away, instead of just saying,
like shutting down every other,you know, what other people are

(37:40):
saying, just because I agreewith them.

Christina (37:44):
I think it's like, we're constantly learning.
And I think that something I'venoticed is that there's some
things that like my parents,like, just don't know, like
there are things that I didn'tknow until a few weeks ago that
I learned from like an Instagraminfographic and my parents
aren't on Instagram, looking atall of their friends, sharing
stories about like informativeposts.
Like I think that's somethingthat like, my generation is very

(38:05):
willing to like learn andacknowledge that like there's
things we don't know.
And so like sometimes it's justsitting down and having a
conversation with my mom becauseshe didn't realize that like
these systems that don't oppressher are oppressing other people.
And it's not that it's notalways coming from a place of
hate.
It's just, she didn't experienceit.
So she never, like, she neverlearned.
And I think it's about some ofthe responsibility falls on us.

(38:26):
Like we're learning this andit's our responsibility to share
what we're learning.

Valerie (38:32):
Now I'm envisioning you guys like, you know, like
infiltrating, Like learning allof these things that are going
on infiltrating, and I'm gettingthis like really lovely visual
Mackenzie, what you were sayingreally resonated with me because
as a, as a scientist, I see somepeople who are decades into
their career and really, reallytalented and really smart.

(38:54):
And there'll be like, notbudging on their theoretical
framework, for example, likethey published the theoretical
framework in 1995 and it's thebest theoretical framework.
And like, they don't incorporatelike new language or new ideas.
And like, this is, this is theframework.
And so I even think about that,like as a scientist, that, how

(39:15):
can I make sure that I hadn't,that I didn't like have this
thought about how this thingworked in like 2009 or
something.
And that's the only way that I'mgoing to talk about that
forever.
Like how do I stay reallyengaged in the literature and,
um, and take, you know, stick toit when I think that I'm in the

(39:36):
right lane, but also likeincorporate new innovations, new
voices and, you know, as I moveforward.
So I think about that, I stillthink about that a lot, even
like in my science.
So I think that that's a really.

Mackenzie (39:50):
Exactly.
Yeah.

Valerie (39:50):
Yeah.
So were there things from this,um, the season, uh, this podcast
season that you've learned, ordid anything stick out to you
either what the po-, what theguests were doing or different,
um, social justice initiativesthat folks were involved in,
anything, um, that were bigtakeaways for you?

Alyssa (40:11):
I liked how, um, the, the episode of Jasmine Abrams
and how her tweet inspired herin a colleague to like devise
101 ways in which they can likedismantle like structural racism
and other systems of oppression.
And I thought that was reallyawesome.
And I think one point in theepisode that really stood out to

(40:33):
me is that she was pointing outthat like, you all have the data
and stuff and it's, it's, it'sup to you to like, act on it.
But that was a really coolmoment.

Valerie (40:44):
Yeah.
That was a great moment.

(40:45):
Yeah.

Mackenzie (40:47):
I feel like just generally speaking, I feel like,
I mean, I think everybody who'sbeen featured on the podcast has
just been so talented and veryinformative and I've loved
learning all about them, but Ialso really like, um, all the
female scientists, just becauseI feel like, you know, years ago

(41:11):
it was, it was never like that.
It was mostly just, you know, sofocused on like males, just
doing science and, you know,females kind of taking like a
back burner type of, um,approach with, I guess, science,
but hearing, you know, everyoneand all the work that, and you
and Carly and everybody else inthis lab and all like the

(41:34):
Strides that women have beenwaking in the field of science
has just been really empowering.
And it just makes me, I guess,excited for the future.

Valerie (41:45):
I'm going to start crying(laughing) and then you
guys could see, I'm likestarting to turn bright red
over.
Now my, like, um, my like heartemojis are like floating out
from my body.
They're terrible.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's, that's a, that's areally lovely to take away of
yeah.
Of, you know, highlighting andreally learning about lady

(42:09):
scientists and just the factthat we have.
So, like we have an, a neverending list.
I feel like of lady scientists.
Oh.
Like in our little niche herethat we could just, you know, go
on and on with.

(42:21):
And they all have great voices and the listeners love listening
to them.

Valerie (42:25):
And they're not questioning whether(i'm) asking
(them) questions or not.

(42:27):
Yeah(laughs)

Christina (42:31):
One thing that I like, I didn't really go in
like, listen, like listening toeach episode and expecting any
of the scientists to sound acertain way.
But I think that's likesomething that I realized, like
I have no expectation becausethere is no one face to science.
And I think that's like one ofthe biggest goals, like there's
no one person who representsscience.
It's just a bunch of peoplecoming together about things

(42:52):
that they're passionate about.
And I can't like haveexpectations when there's no
mold to fill.

Carly (42:58):
Exactly.

Valerie (42:59):
I love that.
Yeah.
And we need to keep making moreroom for, you know, like all
shapes and sizes and looks and,you know, and, uh, varieties of
scientists.
Absolutely.
Yeah.

Sarah (43:14):
Something that stood out to me was in the episode with
Stephanie Chaudoir.
Uh, one of the quotes that Ireally loved was holding each
other accountable.
So holding your colleaguesaccountable, when you see
something, when you hearsomething going on, because she
said often she would hear thingsor like things that just happen
in general, in certainclassrooms or with certain

(43:34):
colleagues.
And she said, it's justimportant to call that stuff out
or else you're just contributingto that.
You're not stopping anything.
And her episode was also greatbecause she talked about her
being first gen and how once shewas able to accept that she was
able to kind of like workthrough it.
So I think it's important andthat connected to me because I'm

(43:55):
also a first gen student andit's great to see and hear about
others connecting to thatidentity and how that has
actually helped them in theirwork.
And just kind of like leveling,leveling up, as you say, doctor
Earnshaw.

Valerie (44:09):
Yeah.
I think, um, there's a lot of,uh, we call it imposter syndrome
in the Academy.
Like there's a lot of feelingsof imposter syndrome.
Like just think about what kindof imposter syndrome you might
be feeling and undergrad as afirst gen and then like, you
know, magnify that times 10,maybe when you roll into,
hopefully, you know, all of yourmaster's and PhD programs.

(44:32):
Like I think that it reallystarts to amp up for folks.
And then, and then eventuallyyou end up, Hey, you're a
faculty member, but now you haveto like go to these like faculty
member parties and you need tolike use the right fork or you
need to like, you know, choosethe right wine or like eat your,
eat your food.
So anyway, not that if you're,um, I'm now relating, I think in

(44:55):
a little bit of a different way,because if you're a first gen
college student, you can knowall of those things of course.
But I think that, um, there aredefinitely sometimes seems to be
like a vibe too, of just like,you know, for me it was like a
real class thing.
I'm now relating more throughthat.
I remember one time showing upto one of my first, um, like

(45:16):
parties as a faculty member.
I was at Harvard med school andwe pulled up to the party and my
husband, my now husband and Iwere driving like our little
like Honda, um, like it was aHonda fit.
Like one of those like reallylittle baby Honda's, but the
hatchback, and there was a copat the party there to help

(45:36):
everybody park.
And he's like, yeah, you can goup and like park between like
the Mercedes and the Benz or,you know, the Mercedes and the
BMW or something.
And so now we're like trying notto scratch(the cars).
And it was like a whole line oflike Mercedes and BMWs.
Then we like walk up to theparty it's at this like huge
mansion, like this, this housewas amazing.

(45:57):
The, um, the faculty member whowas hosting, it lived next to
Tom Brady.
Like, he's like, Oh yeah.
That's like Tom Brady's houseover there.
And then he's like, you know,and then there was like a baby
animal petting zoo at the party.
And I just was like, I am so farout of my depth.
Like I felt like I really stuckout.
I felt like I didn't belongthere at this party.

(46:18):
I mean, the people there werereally like lovely and wonderful
and welcoming, but just from themoment we pulled up, like in our
baby Honda civic and had to parkbetween the Mercedes and the
BMW, I was like, what are wedoing?
I was like, I'm dressed wrong.
Everything's wrong.

(46:31):
"Who invited us?"

Valerie (46:31):
Yeah who Invited us for sure.
I think that there's like a lotof, yeah.
Like, you know, feelings offitting in and, um, feeling like
whether we belong or not, andthese sort of things,

Carly (46:44):
But that's what we learned is that we all do.

Valerie (46:46):
(Laughs) Yeah.

Christina (46:48):
And going full circle here, I feel like as college has
become like so expensive collegecan be a sign of knowledge, but
it also can be a sign of wealth.

Valerie (46:59):
(whispers) yes

Christina (46:59):
And so I think that's why I really value
disseminating knowledge andscience and making it accessible
because you shouldn't have topay like 50,000 a year to learn
how to read a research paper,where to like, learn about
what's going on in the field.
And I think that's why I'm sopassionate about making sure
that science has like a rightand scientific knowledge is a
right, that we all are entitledto.

Valerie (47:18):
Christina.
I'd like you to put that on oneof our Instagram quote squares
with your name on it.

(47:21):
Yes, please.

Valerie (47:23):
I mean there's been a lot of Instagram q uotes s
quares.
I'm just putting it out therefor next once we have our
transcript.
A ll r ight.
So, u m, we're hoping to do aseason two.
Uh, well, you know, I feel likethis is like a, uh, summer
school podcast.
So come for a season two fornext summer.

(47:46):
Um, what are you hoping that weget into for season two, either
topics or, or types of guests,or what are you looking forward
to for, for that.

Sarah (47:56):
I'm hoping it'll be like a post COVID like summary
wrap-up or something like kindof like navigating your world
mask free.
Like what's it like walking outand not expecting everyone to
wear a mask?
What's it like to hug some ofyour friends?
Like I'm hoping.

Carly (48:16):
that's so true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't think about that.
Asking people like, yeah, whatis it like to have like human
contact, again, doing differentstudies on that we can do like
focus groups, live focus groupsfor the next,

Valerie (48:31):
we were initially planning to do this podcast in
person with people.
So like all of my equipment thatI have here is for taping in
person.
So not only do I hope to getpeople an instructional and how
to, you know, be within six feetof each other, but also
hopefully we will be doing someof these in person.
Anything else that you guys hopethat we dig into?

Alyssa (48:54):
This is kind of like random but related, but like,
I'm hoping by season two thatlike in UD students, I mean,
students and faculty will belike, incorporate, I know, well,
faculty will be incorporatingthe podcast episodes, maybe like
curriculum, because this istotally applicable.
And I think it's reallyassessable.

Valerie (49:14):
agreed.

Carly (49:15):
Absolutely.

Valerie (49:16):
Let's flood their email inbox tomorrow,

Carly (49:19):
town hall meetings.

Christina (49:21):
I also think going off of like the whole post
COVID, hopefully, um, maybe somelike new scientific findings on
covid, but I think we'vedefinitely got a lot of like
fresh off the pages, like whatwe know about Cobin now, but
hopefully we'll know morevaccines will be like developed
in different and I just find isalways changing.
So maybe there'll be new stuffto learn and talk about.

Valerie (49:41):
Absolutely.
And I think that there aredefinitely even like sex and
drugs science that is going tobe really interesting to learn
about post COVID.
And I think a lot of people arereally worried about what's
going to happen with the opioidepidemic during COVID or we
talked with, um, Kim Nelsonabout what's what's it going to
be like for her, um, young, um,sexual minority men and some of

(50:02):
her studies, um, to be, youknow, living at home or, you
know, being so bound to home andwhat's that gonna look like for,
for their lives for right now?
Uh, so I think there willdefinitely be some interesting
sex and drug science to be had,uh, to learn about what does
that all look like during apandemic?

Christina (50:22):
Yeah.
And I think that the pandemichas, like, I know that
intersectionality has been atopic for a while, but it's like
coming out, especially in apandemic seeing how different
demographics are affecteddifferently and how all of
science connects to it likeitself.
And I think that's somethingwe've talked about on the
podcast as well.
It's been a common thread thatlike everything is connected.
The whole world is connected.

Valerie (50:43):
Yeah, for sure.
I'm really, I will say also thatwhen we first sat down and wrote
up our list of guests, um, preCOVID, um, that we wrote a
really robust list of infectiousdisease doctors because
infectious disease doctors, MDsdo some of the most amazing sex

(51:03):
and drugs, research.
And then I didn't have it in meto email any of them to ask them
to do that because they wereall, you know, especially in the
first couple months of ustaping, they were all in the
COVID wards.
Like all of them were working sohard.
And so I'm really hoping forseason two that, u m, we can

(51:23):
get, you know, get some of ourinfectious disease docs on here,
some of our favorites, u m, andwe can continue to like get
greater diversity i n the peoplethat w ere coming on the
podcast.
Um, I think because of COVID,you know, we had also reached
out to some other people andjust, you know, if you think
about our moms who are workingfrom home or like super busy,

(51:44):
like there's just a lot ofpeople who are not just, you
know, hanging at home, waitingfor us to call and podcasts with
them, unfortunately.
So, you know, I think that aspeople, as you know, hopefully
as kids go back to school as,um, people's kind of lives,
return to more of a normalstate, we can also, um, continue

(52:05):
to recruit diverse voices to, tocome and join us and share their
science.

Alyssa (52:11):
Yeah.
And, um, another thing I'mhoping for season two is like UD
faculty would be featured onthere, like, um, like Dr.
Anna Aviles and Dr.
Yasser Payne, because Iactually, this is like a side
tangent, but like I've listenedto a podcast episode with Dr.
Payne, like another Delaware,like local podcast.

(52:32):
So

Valerie (52:32):
Was it the fatherhood one?
I heard that was the, Oh, thatwas maybe a different one.

Alyssa (52:36):
Um, no, it's like a different one.
Um, it's like a Delaware one andit's like, yeah, it's, it's
really cool.

Valerie (52:42):
Yeah.
I have all of these like granddreams about interviewing our
local people in person.
But if we get to season two andwe're still not able to leave
the house, we're just going tozoom with them.
We'll definitely get them.

Sarah (52:55):
So for season two, I also want to hear from the listeners,
What are their comments?
What do they want to see?
Because I know we have someinternational listeners,

Carly (53:04):
Tons! Loads!

Valerie (53:09):
Six, no, maybe five continents.
We're not, we're not in Africayet, but we're not,

Carly (53:14):
but whoever you are in France, we love you so much.

Valerie (53:17):
France was one of our first.
So now in this episode, we areinviting you to our wrap
episode.
So this is sort of like our, youknow, end of season celebration
conversation with ourundergraduate research
assistants who have been workingon the podcast all summer.
And just for a little bit ofcontext, this is something that
we do in our lab.

(53:38):
Um, at the end of everysemester, we have sort of a
party.
So this was, you know, I don'tknow if anybody felt like this
wrap up episode was a party, butit was fun.
It was a fun conversation.
And we kind of reflected on whywe made the podcast and also how
we did it.

Mackenzie (53:58):
I, um, I think it's really interesting at least from
season one, hearing differentscientists and everyone on the
podcast who have worked indifferent countries and hearing
how, you know, their work as islike similar, but also different
from the work that we do here inthe United States.

(54:19):
And I feel like, you know,public health is a big, um, part
of not only, you know, thecountry, but I also feel like,
you know, taking it a stepfurther and thinking about like
global health is also reallyinteresting just because public
health and global health, Ithink at least in my opinion are
pretty, they're connected in away, because I feel like, you

(54:42):
know, we can learn from othercountries and the work that
they've been doing, but, youknow, I saw, I just really
thought it was interestinghearing, different perspectives
from people who have workedfrom, you know, different parts
of the world.
So I just really enjoyedlistening to what they had to
say about different publichealth topics.

Valerie (55:00):
A hundred percent.
That MacKenzie makes me thinktoo.
I mean, just about one of theother things I was hoping to do
this season and we, we didn'tget to it.
And so hopefully it will reallyprioritize that for future
seasons is really disrupting theidea of who can be a scientist.
So this, um, this season weinterviewed all people like with

(55:22):
PhDs or MDs people working inacademia.
And I'm really hoping also thatnext season, we can go talk to
some of our communitycollaborators or people who are
using, who are doing sex anddrug science, but who aren't on,
you know, not on universitycampuses and talk to them about
what that looks like.
So I think it's, we didn't getthat message out enough this
season that, um, you don't needa PhD to do great science.

(55:45):
And hopefully that's alsosomething that we can, um,
really highlight and talk aboutnext season, too.
So lots of, lots of differentkind of locations, you know,
throughout the world, you know,off of university campuses and
really, um, continue again tohighlight the kind of like
diverse voices, the scientists.
So

Mackenzie (56:06):
Exactly, just because I feel like, you know, there are
so many parts that make up justlike the public health and
science world and, um, gettingrid of there's so many people
getting rid of stigmas and, youknow, all that type of work.
And I feel like it's Importantto like recognize and appreciate

(56:27):
the work that they're doing,because they're also making a
difference in the world ofscience lately.

Carly (56:33):
And on that note, I think all of you guys are hoping to
make a difference in the worldof science too, and
disseminating it and doing allthe wonderful things by working
so hard this whole semester onthis podcast.
So thank you guys so much foreverything that you guys have
done for, you know, since thishas been more than a semester

(56:54):
now, I guess that's not evenfair to say at this point,
right?

Valerie (56:56):
Yeah.
(a lot)

Carly (56:57):
For ages at this point.
Thank you guys very much.

Valerie (57:00):
Yeah.
I say this a lot.
Don't tell any of my colleagues,hopefully they don't listen to
this podcast, but this, um, thislab group is far and away.
My favorite thing I do as afaculty member, interacting with
you guys and doing science withyou, and now leveling up as, I
guess I say, and disseminatingscience as well, and in a, in a
different way.

(57:21):
And I'm really grateful that youspend time with us, that you
work so hard, um, you know, on,on the podcast, but also on all
aspects of the research that wedo.
I mean, we really just, wecouldn't do it without you, and
I'm super grateful that youchoose to choose to come and
choose to do it with us.
So thank you.

(57:41):
Thank you.
Thank you.

Carly (57:42):
Here, here.

Valerie (57:55):
So Carly, season one is done.

Carly (57:57):
I know.
Womp Womp.

Valerie (58:01):
Uh, so our goal was to bring you a summer podcast,
summer school-esque with yourfavorite sex and drugs
scientists.
And we did it,

Carly (58:11):
we sure did.

Valerie (58:12):
Sure did.
Um, I had so much fun doingthis.
I had a lot of fun.
And so now I'm like feeling allthe feels, but it's over.
I feel like really proud of usthat we got this season out.
And I also feel sad that it'swrapping up.

Carly (58:27):
I know me too, but then excited to come back for season
two.

Valerie (58:31):
Yeah.
So our plan is to come back nextsummer with, um, with some fresh
new sex and drug scientists andsome great conversations with
them.
And if we can get ahead on ourscience homework aka you know,
like our real jobs, this fall,we'll aim for a few episodes for
you over the holidays.

(58:51):
Um, this winter will be ourgoal.

Carly (58:54):
And so in the meantime, make sure you guys subscribe to
sex, drugs and science, whereveryou get your podcasts, you can
stay up to date when we do havenew episodes, feel free to
follow us on Instagram@ sex drugscience no"and" or email us at
sex, drugs and [e-mail] feedback,

Valerie (59:13):
unless that feedback is critical or success, then you
can send it directly to dr.
Kim Nelson at [e-mail] to the stigma and health
inequities lab at the universityof Delaware, including Alyssa,
Leon, Christina Hall, sapeleMcKenzie, Sarknack, and Sarah
Lopez as always.

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This episode was edited byChristina wholesaler.

Carly (59:37):
And thank you again to city girl for letting us use
your music for this season andto Connie Chung for the artwork.

Valerie (59:45):
And we'd like to put out one more huge, huge thanks
to all of our guests for joiningus this season and especially
for bringing theirconversational A games to the
podcast and a warm and likesuper enthusiastic.
Thank you all for listening.

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