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Ashley (00:00):
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Today on Shadow Me Next, I'mtalking with someone who brings
so much honesty, humor, andheart into an area of medicine
most people are terrified totalk about.
Sexual health and urology.
Dr.
Stephanie Zwanitzer is aurology and sexual health nurse
practitioner.
I love the moment she describesrealizing she wanted to know
the why behind her decisions,not just carry them out.
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That feeling led her totransition from nurse to nurse
practitioner.
We get into all of it.
How she helps patients navigateincredibly vulnerable
conversations, how she makes themost embarrassing appointment
of someone's life feel safe andeven light, and how much joy she
gets from restoring confidence,intimacy, and connection in her
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patients' lives.
And we talk about the realityof practicing in a field where
every single day looksdifferent, emotionally,
clinically, and personally.
This is a thoughtful, fun, andvery real conversation about
what it means to treat the wholeperson and why sexual health is
healthcare.
Please keep in mind that thecontent of this podcast is
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intended for informational andentertainment purposes only and
should not be considered asprofessional medical advice.
The views and opinionsexpressed in this podcast are
those of the host and guests anddo not necessarily reflect the
official policy or position ofany other agency, organization,
employer, or company.
This is Shadow Me Next with Dr.
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Stephanie Zwanitzer.
Dr.
Z, thank you so much forjoining us on Shadow Me Next
today.
I cannot wait for ourconversation.
It's going to be a blast.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (02:42):
Thank
you so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Ashley (02:44):
So, Dr.
Z, you are a urology and sexualhealth nurse practitioner.
Um, you have your doctorate ofnursing practice.
I would love to hear about yourjourney in medicine, primarily
because nurse practitioners, youguys have such a fantastic
route to medicine.
It's also different for each ofyou.
So if you wouldn't mind, giveus a little bit of your journey.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (03:06):
Yeah,
absolutely.
So, way back in eighth grade, Ijob shadowed a nurse midwife
and fell in love with nursingand decided that was going to be
my career.
And I stuck with it.
So, right out of high school, Igot my bachelor's in nursing
and uh graduated from theUniversity of Nebraska Medical
Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
And it was a great experience.
They're a fabulous, fabuloushospital system with all kinds
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of different ways that they domedicine, transplants, and
everything else.
So it was such a great learningexperience and a great
environment because they have somany different types of
students there that everybody isin teaching mode.
And so it doesn't matter if youfollow a patient to the CT room
or you're in the exam room withthem or whatever, everybody's
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in teaching mode.
So it was a great experience.
And I worked as a cardiac ICUnurse for a while, stayed home
with my kids when they werelittle for about two years, and
then went back to work.
I did um med surge floor andthen eventually geriatrics.
And a couple years into thegeriatrics, I was like, you
know, I'm really starting tolike get frustrated that I don't
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get to make more of thedecisions.
I call the docs and I'm like,hey, you know, room 12's blood
pressure is high.
And they're like, okay, goahead and adjust their
amlodipine.
I'm like, all right.
And then, hey, room 14, theirblood pressure is high.
And they're like, okay, goahead and increase their
lacinopril.
And I was like angry that Ididn't know why this room got
their amlodipine and this roomgot their lacinopril, and why
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can't I make these decisions?
And that's when I realized,like, all right, I need to go
back to school and practice at ahigher level.
So I went to the University ofSouth Alabama and I got my both
my master's and my doctoratefrom there.
So at the end of my master's,it was like a five-year program.
So at the end of my master's,which was the first three years,
um, I was able to startpracticing as a nurse
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practitioner.
And then I finished mydoctorate while working as a
nurse practitioner.
So that was really cool becauseI got to do my doctoral project
where I was working as a nursepractitioner.
So it really was meaningful tome rather than doing your
research project at somebodyelse's office for their
patients.
It was, these were my patientsthat I was affecting.
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So it was really cool that way.
Um, and then I worked as aprimary care in subacute, so um
skilled nursing facilities.
So I worked for the hospital.
This is kind of cool.
I worked for the hospital thatI had worked as as a nurse, and
then I worked in the skilledfacilities, but I was still
owned by the hospital.
So I was trying to preventthose 30-day readmissions and
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things like that and really notonly help the hospital give
better care, but help mypatients do better and get back
home out of these rehabfacilities.
Um, so it was reallyinteresting and I learned a lot.
Plus, for my first job, it waslike kind of cool because I
still got to do some blood, Istill got to do some IV
antibiotics and things that Iwas used to doing as a floor
nurse, but now I'm the oneordering them, but I still got
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kind of like some of thatin-between care.
And then I did pain managementfor a little while, and that was
really interesting.
Um, but the way that my companywas doing um pain management
was heavy on opioids.
And I just felt like I was kindof contributing to the epidemic
and not really being able tohelp people get off.
And so I left there and I endedup in urology, which I just
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took on a whim.
I didn't know I was gonna loveurology.
And I had friends in the fieldwho were like, oh my God, with
your personality, you're gonnalove it.
Just give it a chance.
And so I did, and it isabsolutely where I belong.
It is fun, it is interesting.
Every patient is different,even if they have the same
issues.
Um, and then I get to do thesexual medicine side of things,
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which is super fun.
And I don't know how you feelabout this, but I feel like
everyone gets to have sex andthey should be having good sex.
Like I've saved marriagesbecause of what I help them with
in their clinic.
It's so cool.
Ashley (07:02):
There's a lot to unpack
there, and I cannot wait to
touch on a couple of thosethings.
But first, I want to go back tosomething that you said and
working in GYN.
I giggle because I think I knowwhat they mean.
When somebody said, with yourpersonality, you're gonna do
really well in urology.
And we're both laughing becauseit it really does take a
special person to walk into theroom of a complete stranger and
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say, All right, drop your pants.
I'm gonna look at the mostprivate of parts of your body.
And we're actually we're gonnahave a good time with it, right?
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (07:31):
I mean,
that's that's really and you
like you have to figure out howto have that bedside manner and
that joking, but not offensivelyjoking.
And there's this fine linebetween being really comfortable
with your patients and beinglike too comfortable or or
creepy with your patients.
And so, yeah, it really takes aspecial person.
And I, one of my favoritecompliments I get is when I have
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one of my male patients come inwho is embarrassed and feeling
bad about talking about his lackof erections or his lack of
sexual desire.
And I'm just like walk in andI'm like, all right, so your
dick's not working right.
Like, let's talk about it.
And he's just like, phew, okay,you're right.
We can talk about this.
Thank you for making it easierfor me.
It's like, you're welcome.
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I love that is my favoritecompliment that I can get when I
make it comfortable for one ofmy guys.
Ashley (08:19):
And you know, I love
that.
And that it's it's somethingthat even in dermatology, you
can imagine.
In dermatology, which is whereI work as a PA, um, it's skin,
believe it or not, your penisand your vagina, it is covered
in skin, which is definitelystill fair game for us.
And um, because I worked in GYNpreviously, I tell people it's
like my old stomping grounds.
Like, I like bring it on.
I love it.
Let's take a look.
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Um, and and that's that isthat's the highest honor that I
can when somebody says, Ash,thank you for making that like
it was not only comfortable.
I actually that was really fun.
Thanks, you know.
Yeah, and that's great becausenot only number one, they feel
like they have literally beenseen and their problems have
been addressed.
But a lot of times we're we'reproviding an education for them,
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which we're gonna talk allabout, um, especially with your
podcast between between thesheets, you know, it there
especially in women's health,and I'm sure in men's uh urology
and men's sexual health aswell, you really you don't know
what you don't know as apatient, right?
And and that's true for forwomen of all generations and for
men of all generations rightnow, which you are addressing in
a million different ways.
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Let's step back real quick.
And I wanted to talk to you alittle bit about when you made
that decision as a nurse, whenyou realized, hey, I want to not
just be giving these meds tothese patients, I want to know
the why behind that.
If you could, for maybe for ourstudents that are kind of
considering this, put yourself,and I'm sure you know people
that are on the opposite end ofthat.
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Who who is who is thinking,okay, I'm really comfortable in
nursing right now.
That is not what I want to do.
This is what I want to be.
What does it look like forthat, for that healthcare
provider?
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (09:53):
Yeah,
great question.
I think really it's it's thisinternal desire to do more and
to not be surface level.
And I'm not saying that nursesare surface level, nurses do a
hell of a lot.
I mean, I I learned so much asa nurse, I took really good care
of my patients as a nurse.
But when there's this internaldesire that what you're doing
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just isn't quite enough for you,that's when it's like, okay,
what more can I do?
And maybe it is being a nursepractitioner, and maybe it's
doing research, or maybe it'sgetting your masters to go
teach.
But there's just this thinginside of you that says, I need
to go to that next level.
I'm not there right now.
And that's what it was for me.
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It was every day having to callthe docs and get the permission
to do something, get the orderto do it.
And I'm like, but I just wantto know why.
And I want to be the onecalling the shots.
I see what they need, and Iwant to know why I am choosing
one medication over another.
And then I just want to do itfor that patient.
I don't want to have to calland ask anymore.
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And I think that's a bigdeciding factor in whether or
not you go back to school.
Absolutely.
It also has to fit with yourlifestyle, right?
I mean, when I went back toschool, I waited until both my
kids were in school.
So I went back when my son wasin kindergarten because as a
nurse, I was working full time.
So I was doing my 312s and Iwas doing grad school.
But then on the days where theywere in school and I was not at
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the hospital working, I coulddo all my homework.
I could do my clinicalrotations and things like that.
So it worked with my lifestyleat the time too, which made a
big difference.
Ashley (11:32):
And you mentioned the
fact that you took a little bit
of time off, even too, and yourkids are really young.
And I, it's just there is for alot of people, that extreme
flexibility is so important.
And like you said, the factthat you've worked in multiple
areas of medicine too and kindof stumbled into this incredible
passion that you've have rightnow with urology and sexual
health.
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Um, it's very, very cool.
Okay, let's talk about a day inyour life because right now,
you know, we've heard about whatkind of led you to where you're
at.
Um, I would really love to hearwhat does it mean to be a
urology and sexual health nursepractitioner?
Do you see men?
Do you see women?
Do you see both?
Is it a men's clinic, a women'sclinic?
How does that look?
What does that look like?
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (12:10):
Yeah,
great question.
So, in my particular practice,I see both men and women.
Um, it depends on your officeand different things that you do
and also the docs that you workwith.
So, you know, there is still alot of surgery in urology.
And man, urology covers a lot,which I did not even realize.
Working on the floor as anurse, like you called urology
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when you couldn't get a foleyin.
You called urology for bladdercancer.
Like, really minimally, did youcall urology?
So when I got into it and I waslike, we do testosterone, we we
treat prostate cancer, we don'tsend that to oncology.
Like, there's so much thaturology does.
And so it really depends onwhere you work and what your
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office specializes in.
But my life, I do, I have twodocs that do penile implants for
erectile dysfunction, who dosurgeries for peronis, who do um
different reconstructive typesurgeries.
And then I also work with aurogynecologist.
So she's doing vaginalreconstruction, prolapses,
different things like that.
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So I get a lot of sex med,which is really fun for me, and
I love it.
Um, and because I love it,every doctor in my office, even
the general urologist that Idon't always work hand in hand
with, they send me their EDpatients and things like that
because it's my specialty and Ido have that rapport with
patients.
But I also see overactivebladder patients, I see
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recurrent UTIs, I see BPH, um, Isee prostate cancer guys who
are stable.
We have a nurse practitionerwho specializes in advanced
prostate cancer.
So anybody whose PSAs arechanging or their treatment's
not working for them, I sendthem to her.
But I'll see the guys who arelike in remission, we're just
checking their PSAs, that kindof stuff.
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Um, low testosterone, um,vaginal issues like uh vaginis,
pain with sex, um, thegenito-urinary syndrome of
menopause, which everyone needsto learn about.
Please learn about.
Um, it's so important.
And so, yeah, I see a variety.
I see from um age 18 tilldeath, um, my oldest patient I
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ever had was 105.
And she just walked herselfinto the clinic, you know.
I mean, so I see a really bigvariety.
In urology in general, you'regonna see a big variety, but
it's it's a great field.
Ashley (14:32):
Oh, I love how varied
it is.
And I would imagine you havepatients who come in uh very
worried, very anxious, verynervous about their medical
problem.
And then um, you have otherpatients who might be just
really excited and anticipatoryabout the conversations you are
gonna have about another issue,maybe a performance issue that
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they might be having.
How I mean, is it an emotionalday?
Is it like high highs and lowlows, or is it usually pretty
steady for you?
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (15:01):
Yeah, I
mean, it can be.
Um, when I did more prostatecancer, it was a little bit more
emotional because you'rediagnosing, you're telling
somebody their biopsy ispositive, things like that.
My day-to-day now is prettystable.
I would say I have more highsthan lows because I get so many
patients that I gave them a newmedication for their OAB, and
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holy cow, they went on a hikeand didn't have to piss in the
woods.
You know, like it's soexciting.
Or I gave a guy, you know, wetalked about ED, we got him on a
good treatment, he comes backand he's like high five and me,
like, yes, I got to have sex andI lasted until climax.
This was so exciting, you know.
Um, a guy with prematureejaculation, we get him on the
treatment plan and all of asudden he can last five minutes
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instead of one.
I mean, it's just so what I dois a lot more highs than lows
currently.
Um, but it does depend on whichpart of urology you practice.
Ashley (15:56):
Absolutely.
Dr.
Z, what is what's twoquestions?
What's the most commoncondition that you treat?
Maybe men and then women.
And then two, what's yourwhat's your favorite?
What what just gives you themost satisfaction?
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (16:09):
Yeah.
So um for men, BPH, largeprostates, peeing issues, um,
peeing issues from their largeprostate.
For women, it's eitheroveractive bladder or recurrent
UTIs, and a lot of times they'rehand in hand.
Um, I would say what gives methe most joy is my erection
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patients.
Um, when they come in andthey've tried Viagra and Cialis
and they're like, I don't knowwhat to do.
I don't know what my problemis.
I don't, and we can sit thereand talk through the
psychological aspect of it, therelationship aspect of it.
We can try differentcombinations of medicine, we can
talk about injections orprostheses, depending on where
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they're at in their journey.
And it's giving them hope thatthey didn't have coming in.
And for a lot of them, theyhave lost relationships, they
have lost self-esteem, thingslike that.
So to give them that back andthen to have them come back for
their follow-up and high-five meand be like giving me hugs
because they're so excited theyhad an erection and they haven't
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had an erection in five years,like they're so excited and so
appreciative.
Those are my favorite.
Ashley (17:17):
That's incredible.
How long are your visits?
How I mean, do you have astandard amount of time?
I would imagine some of theseconversations are really long.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (17:27):
They
can be.
Um, so our practice as a wholerequires APPs, both PAs and NPs,
to see um 20 patients a day.
So the schedule is set up for21.
That way, you know, if you havesome no-shows or whatever.
I I've been doing it longenough.
Um, and our bonuses are RVUstructured for students.
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That means the more you see,the higher you bill, the more
you get paid.
I see 30 patients a day.
Oh my god.
So my appointment, yes, myappointments are 15 minutes, but
some of them are five minutesand some of them are 30.
So you kind of balance outthroughout the day.
So your guy who comes in withBPH and he's very stable and
he's on his Flowmax and he'ssuper happy.
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We talk about how the grandkidsare, how life's been for the
last year in a couple ofminutes, and then he's out the
door.
And then my erection guy comesin and we spend 20 minutes
talking or 25 minutes.
So it does balance outthroughout the day, but I see
four patients an hour every at15-minute intervals.
Ashley (18:27):
That's incredible.
You are superwoman.
You are a superwoman.
Have you ever encountered asituation where, because I think
we're getting this a lot inmedicine, especially now that
patients are coming in so wellinformed.
And I just actually made a postabout this.
Patients, patients are doingreally excellent research.
You know, patients used to say,well, I doctor Googled it, and
it was kind of a laughingmatter, a joke.
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Nowadays, patients say that Itake them very seriously because
they, if they're doing theirresearch, it's probably pretty
good research.
Um, so that being said, do youhave patients coming in that are
looking for a certaintreatment?
You mentioned Viagra andCialis, and there are obviously
reasons not to use those incertain patients.
Do you have patients coming inlooking for something and you
have to kind of give them badnews and say, well, no, that's
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not what we're gonna do.
How do you approach that?
Do you ever get some, do youever get anger coming back to
your body?
Dr. Stephanie Zwoni (19:16):
Absolutely.
I would say the biggest timethat I get that is with my low
testosterone guys.
When I can't give them becausethey're actually not low
testosterone, they need to gettheir diet and their sleep and
their other things in line, buttheir tea is actually okay.
They don't like that answer.
Um, women who come in andthey've already tried Mirbetric,
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they've already tried Gem Tessafor their overactive bladder,
and you're like, all right,well, procedures are your next
option.
Nope, I want anothermedication.
So yeah, I definitely get that.
Um, and with Chat GPT and allthe AI stuff too, it's gotten
even worse.
Yeah.
Um, which sometimes for thebetter and sometimes not so good
because chat GPT is not alwaysaccurate.
So be careful when you're usingthat for student papers.
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But so um, but yeah, I thinkthe way that I generally
approach it is I appreciate thatyou did your research.
I appreciate what you learned.
Clinically, what I see is this.
And in your specific case, Isee this plan working better.
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So let's try my plan.
And if it doesn't work over thenext six weeks, whatever, um,
you know, then we can kind oftry and renegotiate and see
where things are at.
But, you know, based on yourblood work, your symptoms, your
whatever, I don't necessarilyagree that that would be the
best treatment for you.
I'd really like you to try thisone.
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Are you open to that?
Some of them are, and some ofthem are absolutely not.
I want what I've said I want.
And you're like, all right, tryit.
Like it's not gonna do what youwant it to do.
I'm gonna prove to you thatit's not gonna do what you want
it to do.
As long as it's not harmful,sometimes I let them try what
they want and just to prove tothem that it's not gonna work.
Ashley (20:58):
Well, I think it's
number one, it shows that you
were listening.
Yeah, for sure.
And then it, you know,hopefully they'll come back and
they'll discuss with you againand say, hey, listen, Dr.
Z, um, it didn't work.
They won't say you're right.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (21:11):
They'll
say it didn't work.
And oh no, they would never sayI'm right.
Ashley (21:14):
Oh, it's so true.
You know, we've spoken tostudents a couple of times,
specifically, yes, don't useChat GPT on your papers.
If you do, make sure you'reusing a reputable resource to
confirm the information.
Absolutely.
Um, but there is a segment onthe show for students, and let's
talk to that as well.
It's called Quality Questions,and it is where we discuss an
interview question, perhaps,that you've had in the past that
was super duper memorable.
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And this is a great way for ourpre-health students, or really
anybody, looking towards aninterview in the future to kind
of practice some of these umthings that you very well might
hear when you're sitting infront of a complete stranger who
is evaluating your entire life.
So, do you have one of thesequality questions?
Keep in mind that there's moreinterview prep, such as mock
interviews and personalstatement review, over on
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shadowme next.com.
There you'll find amazingresources to help you as you
prepare to answer your ownquality questions.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (22:05):
I do.
So I remember, and it kind ofthrew me off because I wasn't
expecting it.
You expect the like, what areyour um best qualities, your
least qualities, you know,things like that.
But what they asked was, whenis a time that you made a
mistake with a patient and whatdid you do about it?
Because we all do.
You are going to make a mistakewith a patient.
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And admitting that, first ofall, sucks.
Admitting it in an interview?
Are you kidding me?
So, like, I really sat thereand I was like, all right, well,
this one time I gave, you know,a milliliter when I should have
given a half a milliliter orwhatever.
I don't remember exactly whatmy example was, but I gave too
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much of a medication.
Um, I went straight to mycharge nurse.
You know, it was back when Iwas a nurse.
Um, I went straight to mycharge nurse and you know, told
them we called the pharmacy, weasked what to do, we documented
everything, whatever.
And the patient turned out tobe fine and everything was good.
But that is such a hardquestion to answer, especially
on the spot when you're like,what do you mean?
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I'm supposed to talk my best.
I'm supposed to be on my bestbehavior right now.
I'm in an interview and they'relike, hey, when did you screw
up?
And you're like, oh, well, butjust know we all have screwed
up.
Like, we have all made amistake.
Pray that your mistake didn'tdo harm to a patient, but we've
all made mistakes.
You've written the wrong order,you entered the wrong med, you
gave the wrong something, you'vedone something, and that's
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okay.
We all have.
We just unfortunately work in acareer where we could have like
some really bad outcomes if wemake mistakes versus you know
dropping the mail off at thewrong house.
Ashley (23:40):
That's a really great
quality question.
Oh my gosh.
I mean, it's it's a terribleone.
I would not want that one.
That sounds awful.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (23:47):
No, I
remember just being completely
shocked.
Like, how dare you ask mesomething like that?
I would never make a mistake.
You're in an interview.
You don't want to admit thatyou make mistakes.
Ashley (23:56):
No, no, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Dr.
Z, you have this fantasticpodcast.
It is called Between theSheets.
And I would really love justfor you to tell us quickly what
this podcast is about.
Because um, coming from you, Ican't wait to hear it.
I I love this podcast so much.
It is so much fun.
Dr. Stephanie Zwonitzer (24:13):
So,
Between the Sheets came from me
loving sexual medicine.
And at work, I still have topractice general urology because
that's what I do.
And I wanted this outlet to beable to explore sexual medicine
more, to get quality educationout there because it's lacking,
and to kind of start to stripaway the shame and tabooness of
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talking about sex.
So we cover everything frombasic anatomy to the kinkiest
stuff.
I had an episode on fisting.
Okay.
So, like everything in betweenum sexuality, couples, singles,
everything.
And I have some amazing guestson there who provide a wealth of
knowledge and it's so much fun.
Ashley (24:57):
It is so needed.
It is so needed.
And I'm sure this probably cameabout because in clinic, you
were answering questions thatyou did not even realize were
questions.
It goes back to what we weretalking about about how patients
don't realize what they don'tknow.
Uh, people, we as humans, assexual beings, yeah, don't
realize what we don't know.
Ah, so we lost Dr.
Z right there at the end of ourconversation.
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The joys of recording acrossstates and Wi-Fi.
But honestly, I think that's apretty fitting end to this
episode because what she sharedwith us today was real,
unpolished, and exactly what somany people need to hear about
sexual health and urology.
Before we wrap up, I want tomake sure you know where to find
more about Dr.
Z because she is doing suchimportant education in this
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space.
She hosts the podcast Betweenthe Sheets, where she breaks
down everything you were tooembarrassed to ask, from anatomy
to desire to ED to pain withsex to some of the kinkier
topics she hinted at today.
And she does it in a way that'sapproachable,
evidence-informed, and genuinelyfun.
You can also visit her website,Between the Sheets, with Dr.
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Z, that's DRZ.com, and followher on social media for
bite-sized education, honestconversations, and the kind of
sexual health content I wishevery patient had access to.
I'll link all of herinformation in the show notes
below.
Dr.
Z, if you're listening back,thank you for bringing so much
clarity, humor, and humanity toa part of medicine that so many
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people are afraid to talk about.
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