When Violence Silences Freedom: The Charlie Kirk Tragedy

The brutal assassination of Charlie Kirk has left America reeling, forcing us to confront the devastating reality of political violence in our nation. In this raw, emotional episode, we process this tragedy together, examining not just what happened, but what it means for our collective future.

Charlie Kirk embodied something rare in today's political landscape—a willingness to engage with opposing viewpoints. His "prove me wrong" approach gave a platform to those who disagreed with him most, creating spaces for genuine debate rather than echo chambers. This openness made him not just influential, but dangerous to those who couldn't defend their positions when challenged with facts and reason.

We don't shy away from hard truths in this conversation. We examine the responsibility social media platforms bear for allowing graphic videos to spread unchecked, while mainstream media personalities and politicians who label opponents as "fascists" and "Hitler" create an environment where violence becomes inevitable. The statistics are chilling—studies show alarming percentages of respondents supporting political assassination as acceptable.

Yet amid the darkness, we find light in Erica Kirk's extraordinary response. Her powerful speech, delivered with grace and strength just days after losing her husband, has already inspired 37,000 new requests to start Turning Point chapters nationwide. She isn't just continuing Charlie's work—she's amplifying it, turning tragedy into powerful momentum for the values he championed.

As we navigate these troubled waters together, we return to one of Charlie's most profound pieces of wisdom: "When the world seems crazy, unplug. Put your phone away, turn off the TV, get back to what's important—embrace your faith and family." In a world increasingly defined by division, perhaps this simple advice offers the path toward healing our fractured nation.

Join us for this important conversation about where America stands at this critical turning point, and how we might honor Charlie Kirk's legacy by choosing unity over division, faith over fear, and love over hate.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The freedoms we take for granted are being taken from
us.
America's greatest voices arebeing silenced.
It's a sad, scary time in ourcountry.
Charlie Kirk was a visionary, avoice for the voiceless and a
beacon of faith.
The horrific, heinous violencethat unfolded cannot be

(00:23):
explained or understood.
The horrific, heinous violencethat unfolded cannot be
explained or understood.
My sadness, sorrow andconfusion cannot be put into
words.
Instead, I chose prayer,reflection and time with my
family.
A night spent with my mother,my wife and my daughter ended
with snuggles and cartoons.
Instead of news and socialmedia, I chose to love and
protect my family while in thepit of my stomach I know, with

(00:46):
the way of this world, I can'talways protect them from hate
and violence.
Lord, help us heal our nation,protect our leaders, guide our
children and give strength andcourage to the Kirk family.
Let me tell you somethingEverybody struggles.
The difference is some peoplechoose to go through it and some

(01:08):
choose to grow through it.
The choice is completely yours.
Which one you choose will havea very profound effect on the
way you live your life.
If you find strength in thestruggle, then this podcast is
for you.
Do you have a relationship thatis comfortable with

(01:30):
uncomfortable conversations.
Uncomfortable conversationschallenge you, humble you and
they build you.
When you sprinkle a little timeand distance on it, it all
makes sense.
Most disagreements, they stemfrom our own insecurities.
You are right where you need tobe.

(01:52):
I'll take on what I'm fightingfor, lord.
I'm being blessed to be backwith each and every one of you
today.
No, I didn't feel comfortabledoing our normal cheery intro

(02:24):
today because it's difficulttimes that we are living in and
I meant everything I said when Isaid I am blessed to be back
with you because, aftereverything we've witnessed,
everything that we've seen playout in social media, mainstream
media and reality is thatnothing can be taken for granted
in this life.
Our lives and our timecertainly cannot be taken for

(02:45):
granted.
This is a difficult episode.
It's an episode that you knowwe didn't really want to record
because we know that you can'tget away from this.
You see it everywhere.
You hear it everywhere.
Hopefully, Hopefully, we put adifferent spin on it, but we
needed to honor the man and tofurther the movement.

(03:11):
There was no way we couldn'thave this discussion.
Share the Struggle podcast isalways and will always be about
having the courage and thestrength to share our struggles.
This is currently a strugglefor our entire nation.
We are all struggling throughthis time that we live in
Knowing what you know about mywife and I and our family.

(03:34):
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the most patriotic people youwill ever meet.
Being those patriotic people,we have our own brand, named
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It puts an emphasis on theAmerican spirit and it calls
into focus the importance ofbeing and remaining a Loud Proud

(03:57):
American.
Before we get going on thismessage, I want to maintain the
fact that it has never been moreimportant to remain a loud,
proud American.
For those people that arelistening that are saying how
can you stay that you're proud?
How do you want to be loudafter seeing what happened to
one of the biggest patriots ofour time for being loud?

(04:22):
Here's the truth, folks If yourun from evil, then evil will
take over.
If you hide in the darkness, welose the light.
It has never been moreimportant to say what is right.
It has never been moreimportant to align yourself with
other individuals than remainpositive, optimistic and proud,

(04:43):
proud patriots.
We need to remain loud andproud the moment that the evil
begins to feel that they cansuppress your emotions and your
beliefs with hate and discontent, they win.
If you did not gain any vote ofresilience, any shot of

(05:05):
optimism and courage from EricaKirk's speech, then hopefully
you hear our message as wellthat says remain loud, remain
proud, remain American.
Our message today is to remainpositive.
Our message today is to callout the hate.

(05:25):
Our message today is to remainpositive.
Our message today is to callout the hate.
Our message and motive today isto spell what's right and
what's wrong.
I continue to say our messagetoday because today I am yet
again joined by my lovely,beautiful wife and as we have

(05:45):
this conversation, I can't helpbut think and put myself or
ourselves in the shoes of theKirk family.
How fortunate and blessed weare.
I said I am blessed to be withyou today, because I am blessed
to be joined here by my wifetoday, because there are many
Americans that cannot say thesame.
The Kirk family is not movingon and pressing on with the same

(06:08):
.
I feel very fortunate andblessed to be joined by my wife
today.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I thought that was the intro.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I did the intro.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
My bad.
You know, I was trying toremain incognito because I
thought you were still doing theintro.
My bad, you know.
I was trying to remainincognito because I thought you
were still doing the intro.
My bad, here I am.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Here you are.
We both are very opinionatedabout this issue and what's
happened and we've spent a lotof time talking about this, the
impact it has on us as a family,welcoming in and raising a
beautiful baby girl in this wildworld, our business, our brand,

(06:51):
everything that goes with it.
We've had a lot ofconversations about this and
it's tough because we are quitealigned with Charlie Kirk and
Turning Point and their messageand their motive, their mission.

(07:12):
I can't say you can never say Ifeel like that I'm 100% aligned
with anyone, but we share a lotof the same beliefs and we
certainly share a lot of thesame message lot of the same
beliefs and we certainly share alot of the same message.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I've watched Charlie Kirk's videos just about
any time I turn on TikTok toget my daily news, I would
always see a video or two ofCharlie and I would always get
stopped like dead in my tracksbecause quite a bit of what he
was saying was something thatyou know, I aligned with.
Like you said, there are a fewthings that I'm like I don, I
don't know if I stand 100.
I'm with you, like I hear you,and I'm like interested in what

(07:53):
you're saying, but I'm not 100aligned and I think that's with,
like anybody with anybody,really any topic any reason.
Like you can be aligned withsome of what's happening.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I feel like I I might be aligned with all of it, but
I've never heard all of it.
So I don't want to go out on alimb and say, hey, I'm 100% in
on everything here.
Then have somebody send me anarticle and be like you, stand
for this.
Ultimately he had a reason foreverything and I probably would
back everything, but I don'tknow and hear everything right
but it's kind of funny the factthat we both were watching
charlie kirk and didn't evendiscuss it, you know what I mean

(08:27):
like, for it went on for yearsprobably, where you were
watching him on tiktok and I waswatching him on the news you
know, yeah, I always used to belike, hey, there's this guy, I
don't know who he is like he'sgot some great things to say,
like here, watch this video.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And you're like, oh, that's charlie.
And I'm like I don't, okay, Idon't know.
I like what he has to say.
I don't know his name, I don'tknow who he is, but he was at
the or.
I remember the first time Ibrought it up I was like, yeah,
there was this guy at thecollege and you're like, okay,
and you like already knew who itwas.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
But I didn't, I just found him on tiktok he's very
unique because of his platformand the way he handled things.
He opened himself to debate.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think he gave an opportunity for tons of people.
He gave them a platform,exactly which is huge.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's one of the things.
One of the first things yousaid to me when all this
happened was and that rang truefor me was you said even if you
oppose him, he gives you theplatform.
Yeah, like you're using hisplatform, he's granting you the
opportunity to debate him, toprove him wrong.
The message on his tent hasproved me wrong.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
He's giving you the opportunity to shed light on
something that you feel trueabout, and he's allowing people
to hear your side of the storyand his.
It's not like he's going outsaying like this is my side of
the story and this is how it is.
No, he's going in front ofthousands and thousands of

(09:53):
people.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
He's opening himself up to anybody right.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, right, but at the events in particular.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Right, that's what I mean.
He opens himself up to anybody.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, and anybody can stand in that line and ask him
any question.
And it's not scripted, it'sliterally like you can get up
there and debate him live in theflesh.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
You don't need a script when you're shooting from
your heart and your beliefs.
Right, you're speaking thetruth and in doing so, I think
he revealed that so many ofthese people don't really know
what they believe, and I thinkthat was the gold in a lot of
this is he gave them theopportunity.

(10:31):
In my opinion, he gave thebiggest platform to the people
that disagreed with him most.
So if you were somebody thatwas a polar opposite of him and
his thoughts and his beliefs andthe way he thinks, then he gave
you the biggest platform.
He gave you his platform and hegave you the opportunity.
In doing so, I feel like heoften undercovered that people
don't really know what theybelieve.
Like, they don't really believein it.
They've been brainwashed in it.

(10:52):
They've been overfed something.
You know what I mean, becauseas soon as he started asking
factual questions, people had noclue how to handle it.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, they get choked up.
They don't have the answer, hadno clue how to handle it.
Yeah, they get choked up.
But he gave you the platformfor it.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
He never ran from his belief and he gave everybody
the opportunity to challengethose beliefs.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
So when you said, why would they take somebody out
like this?
That is literally giving themthe opportunity.
When you stop and think aboutit, they don't want the
opportunity, no opportunity.
When you stop and think aboutit, they don't want the
opportunity.
They don't want somebody likeCharlie that's out there, that
is smart enough, he'sintelligent enough, charismatic
enough, he has very strong faith.

(11:36):
They don't want him out theredebating and destroying the
logic that they are trying tomanifest.
He was a threat.
He was a threat because he wasthe cog in the wheel.
That was truth.
He was the cog in the wheel.
That was opportunity.
You think you're right?
Show me.

(11:57):
And they couldn't do it.
And that was the biggest thingthat they hated is, they knew
they couldn't do it thing thatthey hated is they knew they
couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So if you, if you look back, there were tons of
people that spoke truth and theywere also shut up about it.
Like he took the time to sharehis beliefs and share the way
that he stands and his familystands and the people before him
that did the same thing.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They were shut down and basically like assassinated
also or taken out in some way,shape or form I think that
people were canceled, they weresuppressed, they were um
vilified, they were removed,they were never assassinated.
And then we've certainlycrossed the line, right, right,

(12:48):
and I think that there was somuch hate and, and today, as
we're recording this, the actualum state of utah and the
prosecution have come out andthey've released a ton of
evidence.
And there's basically themotive from the killer, the man

(13:08):
that assassinated Charlie Kirkor I shouldn't even call him a
man, the sorry excuse of a human, and I will refuse to use his
actual name because I will givehim no credit.
He said that there's only oneway to get rid of this level of
hatred.
They couldn't debate, theycouldn't convince, they couldn't

(13:29):
rationalize, they needed toassassinate him.
I can't stop thinking about thefact that this all unfolded live
for the world to consume, aschildren going to school reading

(13:49):
history books and going throughall these classes, we hear the
stories of Martin Luther King,we hear the stories of JFK, we
hear the Abraham Lincoln, wehear these assassination stories
, this history, but you'd neverseen it.
We saw an attemptedassassination on a president and

(14:14):
we saw an assassination on apatriot, a beacon of faith and a
shining example of an Americanunfold.
Live for everyone, for hischildren to always, forever see,
for his family to always,forever relive.

(14:34):
That, to me, is one of theworst things about it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I think that's terrible.
Unfortunately, everything is inour cell phones nowadays and
everything is, you know, readilyavailable.
Um, I mean, charlie's childrenright now are one in three, so
it will be some time, um, beforethey have the ability to google
their dad's name, but when theydo gruesome videos, are going

(15:01):
to come up like Like AI hasalready taken over this video
and made it more gruesome thanit actually was.
Yeah, and you know, there arestill shots of him like where
the bullet actually, like he's,he takes on the bullet yeah, and

(15:22):
it's even hard for us as adultsto look.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I don't watch it, I refuse to watch it at this point
.
I've seen enough of it.
Right, I saw it when ithappened and the only reason why
I watched it when it happenedwas looking for a glimmer of
hope that he was going to pullthrough.
Right, you watch the video andsay, oh my God, is there a
chance?
Like, did he miss?
You know, did what happenedhere and the?
After seeing the video, youknow, once or twice you're like

(15:47):
I, I don't think he's gonna makeit and I don't want to see it
anymore.
I'm done with it.
I don't want to watch thisanymore.
Right, and the sad thing is, isthat for his family, for his
friends, they can't not see ityou know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
See it right.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
His wife can't unsee the fact that when the news was
breaking, it was everywhere.
You could not turn your phoneon on any social media platform,
any form of media, withoutseeing real after real video
after video of him getting shotin different angles and
different perspectives, justeverybody's a svu science expert

(16:27):
and it's everywhere yeah,everyone's dissecting the guys
behind him doing hand motionsand this, that and the third.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I just want to throw it out there that like, if
you're taking the time todissect the people, his own
secret service.
Like when I think, yes, ofcourse they have hand signals,
hello, it's the secret servicefor god's sake like I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I've never looked into his people, but he's not a
politician, no.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
But he has security yeah, but I don't know if
they're secret service, I don'tknow how trained his security is
, but I'm sure they have signalsand coordination that they've
been using because they're allover the country doing these
things and not only that, butlike you don't know if they're
going to be like someone 500feet behind him that needs to
throw up a signal like, hey, youknow they have.

(17:14):
They're throwing baseballsignals so other people don't
know what's going on.
It's it's common knowledge,like so for people to be like.
Oh yeah, that guy standingdirectly behind him called for
the shooter Get a grip.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I would assume that most of them and his team of
security is they're assessingwhat's right in front of them,
of course, at the gates, at thefence for them to rush the stage
, those types of scenarios.
That's what I would assume Ifpeople want to get into the
whole thing of like what youshould be looking into and
conspiracy theories and this,and that I want to know why the

(17:52):
person that asked the damnquestion isn't being
investigated, because when thatperson's asking the question
about mass shootings andtransgender involvement, that's
when the shot comes out.
Yeah, I think there should besome kind of correlation there.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
And there's no way that that question wasn't
related to the shooting, Because, let's be honest, if they are
claiming that the shooter iswhat 200 yards away Is that what
they're saying.
Well, I mean, new news comes up.
Comes up, says 140 yards away.
You can't hear the questionthat far away.

(18:28):
The person would have had tohave some sort of extra on the
ground if it was another personlike related.
And when we just watched the thetrial, they're basically saying
that they're not, uh, they'renot ruling out that there's

(18:49):
nobody else involved yeahbecause there's no way this
shooter is in a relationshipwith a trans at the moment that
they're not affiliate, that thatquestion and him shooting him
is not affiliated.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
It could be just, I mean, you could look at
coincidental, you could look athe was waiting for that type of
question, but he had to haveheard it.
But it happened early too andthere had to be some kind of
signal.
There's all these things thatmakes me think like instantly
when it happened.
We're like somebody should findthe person that asked the
question and we should go there.

(19:26):
If go there.
If I back up my conversation alittle bit and I talk about
social media and mainstreammedia's involvement in this and
the fact that they were justblaring these videos everywhere,
I find that to be disgusting, Ifind that to be repulsive and
as we start to look at thissituation, I want to examine
some responsibility, and I'mgoing to start with social media

(19:47):
, because there's no reason whythe technology at our fingertips
couldn't suppress that video.
Yeah there's no reason why thosethings needed to be put out for
everybody's consumption.
And I know there's options fordoing this because, if we just
think about the 2020presidential debate and the

(20:09):
election cycle, anytime somebodymentioned Hunter Biden's laptop
, it was suppressed.
It was taken down.
Anytime I posted somethingTrump related, it was taken away
.
I myself was suppressed, right,it was taken away.
I myself was suppressed, right.
I know there's the ability todo this and social media didn't
do anything to stop it and theycontinue to not do anything

(20:32):
about it.
I did hear today that one socialmedia platform had to start
doing something about it becausethere was so much about it and
I never knew this platformexisted, called Blue Sky.
Have you ever heard of it?
No, I didn't either.
Blue Sky is basically theliberals version of TikTok.
I mean of Twitter, I apologize.
When Musk bought Twitter,turned it into X and started to

(20:55):
show his colors as being a Trumpsupporter, then all these crazy
lefties started losing theirmind and they started this new
social media platform calledBlue Sky.
Blue Sky had to suppress someof this stuff because it was all
liberals celebrating the deathof Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Think about this Right now, we're seeing people
lose their jobs because theywere celebrating the death of
Charlie Kirk.
We're seeing politicians, we'reseeing people in Congress.
We're seeing all these you knowcelebrities, these influencers,
celebrate his death.
That in itself, um, it'ssickening.

(21:37):
The Omar Ilan whatever the hellher ridiculous name is this
this bitch that's in congressthat I don't understand how she
should be deported just purelyoff of her hatred for america.
The stuff that I've seen hersay about charlie kirk and how
you know we shouldn't feel sorryfor him, and these people

(21:59):
coming out and trying to blamepresident Trump for this is
insane.
They're now saying on left-wingmedia like ADC and MSNBC and
all these things, they'reactually now starting to say
that these people that arelosing their jobs is a part of

(22:19):
MAGA cancel culture, that nowRepublicans are of the belief
that if you don't see things theway we do, then we're going to
get you canceled.
This is now republican cancelculture.
No, you fucking lunatic, you'recelebrating the assassination

(22:39):
of a political figure.
That's this isn't cancelculture.
This is reality.
I can't.
It's not the same thing as whenthe lefties went, went off
their rocker in 2020 andcanceled dr fucking seuss.
No, you work at a universityand you're celebrating the death
of a patriot because they don'tview the world the way you do,

(23:01):
because this man of faithdoesn't see the world the way
you do.
That's not cancel culture, youpiece of shit.
I can't even handle it.
I don't know why they're notjust putting a stop to all of
this.
I don't know why Democratscan't come out and condemn all
of this.
A man lost his life in front ofhis family, in front of his

(23:25):
supporters.
A man lost his life and willever have that video played
because he's a Christian,because he loves Jesus, because
he's a patriot.
I never thought we would livethrough these times.
I thought this was over.
I can't put it into words, butthere's a grave responsibility

(23:50):
that social media has, and Ithink they need to be held
accountable for it.
I think these things need to bestopped, because we are
building a society of peoplethat glorify this shit.
They celebrate this and allyou're doing is manifesting more
of this.
That's how I truly feel aboutit.
President Trump himself said herefused to watch the video.

(24:10):
He won't watch it.
I wish I never had to watch it.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
He was a friend of Charlie's Exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I watch it and I think of his little girl, I
think of his kids, I think ofhis wife.
I don't like watching it.
It has ruined my mental statefor an entire week because I
don't like watching it.
I don't like talking about it,I don't like thinking about it.
But the name of the podcast isShare the Struggle.
We're going to share ourstruggles, so we're going to

(24:37):
talk through this together andwe're going to find some hope in
this together.
Part of this, for me, is callingbullshit to the rug.
Part of this, for me, isexamining responsibility, and
social media has a greatresponsibility in this.
Outside of social media, itstarts with the so-called

(24:58):
leaders, influencers and membersof the media, because for years
now, they have been labelingpeople like President Trump as
Hitler.
They've been labeling Trump andall of his supporters like
Charlie Kirk, as fascists, andthey are basically calling us

(25:18):
dictators.
They are saying that we're theversions of Hitler that need to
be removed.
You are raising a group ofpeople that are now believing
because a mainstream mediamember, a politician or an

(25:38):
influencer said it's okay totake these people out because
they are Hitler, because theyare fascists.
It's unbelievable to me.
The responsibility needs tobegin to be placed on these
lunatic lefties, thesecelebrities and all this media
that wants to continue to labelTrump as Hitler, continue to do

(26:02):
the same thing for Charlie Kirkand any other powerful person
that surrounds themselves withPresident Trump.
They tried doing it to ElonMusk.
There's a study right now thatRutgers University did and it's
on assassination culture that'sbeing bred in the country right
now.
Rutgers University did thisstudy and they basically

(26:25):
interviewed a large amount ofpeople that are, you know,
whether they stand to the center, to the right or the left.
Are they Republican?
Are they Democrats?
Are they far leaning left?
Are they, you know, in thecenter, the folks that are far
left, openly admitting to beingfar left, taking claim and being

(26:47):
far left, being asked questionsabout assassination culture,
being asked?
Do you think it's okay for ElonMusk to be assassinated?
Did you see this study on thenews?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So Rutgers University asked Republicans and Democrats
.
The far-leaning left answeredthey think 50% of the people
that were questioned thought itwas okay and they would condone
or they would accept someoneassassinating Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh, is that the video ?
There's a video going aroundthat someone was walking around
a campus asking a bunch of youngpeople?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't know.
I didn't see any video.
This is from Rutgers University, so it's an actual poll.
There's thousands of peoplethat were questioned.
And over 50% of Democrats saidthey would support and they
would justify and they're okaywith the assassination of Elon
Musk.
The assassination of Elon MuskOver 56% of them said it was

(27:50):
okay and they would support theassassination of President Trump
.
Over 60% of the population thatwas surveyed that are liberals
are saying yeah, man, kill thepresident.
I think that would be a greatidea.
That doesn't happen unless youhave influences out there,
politicians out there, sayinghe's Hitler, he's a dictator,
he's destroying this country.
Without that narrative, peoplearen't thinking that ridiculous.

(28:13):
So these things are beingmanifested, they're being put
out there.
These politicians, theseinfluencers, are saying crazy
shit, not because they're goingto do anything about it, but
because they're manifesting youto do something about it.
This has to end.
I'm over it.
I can't.
It's sickening to me.
There's channels on TV that Iwill no longer tune into because

(28:34):
I do not want to have this haterhetoric thrown down my throat.
I refuse to watch programs thatI used to actually enjoy
because I can't stand for thenonsense that they are spewing.
I just saw, before we turned onthe podcast, that Jimmy Kimmel
last night in his monologue whoI've never watched the Jimmy

(28:57):
Kimmel show because I'm sureit's hot garbage, but in his
monologue last night he wassaying how, basically, the
assassin is probably MAGA, andyou'll notice all Republicans
and all supporters of Trumptrying to distance themselves
from this person as fast as theycan for political motives.

(29:21):
No, you ridiculous piece of shit.
Let it play out and thenrealize the person that did this
is in a love relationship witha transgender individual and he
is certainly not MAGA.
It's ridiculous.
People forget that Jimmy Kimmelmade himself famous watching
girls jumping on trampolines andhaving as many sexist jokes

(29:41):
possible with him and AdamCarolla in the man show.
That shit is so far forgottenat this point, when he can stand
up and try to call Trump sexist, try to call Republicans racist
.
I don't think he is being veryforthcoming about his own
history and past, and it'sexamples like that that make me

(30:05):
refuse to watch this nonsense.
What do you got to say overthere?
I'm losing my breath over here,I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I'm just, I guess moral support here today.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I'm just blown away by it that we continue to allow
it, that celebrities continue tocondone it.
I've seen celebrities basicallycelebrate the death of Charlie
Kirk.
I will never give you anothercent of my money.
I will not support anythingthat you produce, that you star
in, that you act in, that youtalk about.

(30:38):
I'm done with you and we needto hold these people accountable
.
Right now on the news they'reshowing Discord, which I thought
Discord.
I always thought was just agaming-like platform.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
It is, but they have chats inside of it.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
So in these dark corners of the web, Discord,
they have these chats and I meanthey're saying this asshole had
notified like 30 people as towhat was going on, that he was
considering um doing this, youknow it's the same idea with,
like minecraft and all that kindof stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
They have like um chats within the gaming system,
so they're basically like youcan openly chat, like you're
just having a conversation withsome friends on there, um,
whether they track what's beingsaid or not, is I mean they're
claiming that they're readingthrough all of the communication

(31:38):
and they don't see anything,but they're also probably just
turning a blind eye because theydon't want to have anything to
do with it.
I mean, would you want to haveanything to do with it?
I mean, would you want to haveanything to do with it?
I mean, if there was somethingthat I could provide, they
should have prevented it.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
They should have prevented some of this stuff.
They should be alert to some ofthis stuff Because you know
what?
There was alerts during 2020and during all of Biden's
presidency.
There was alerts to Christiangatherings.
There was alerts to this churchis holding a service when they

(32:11):
shouldn't be, because we'resupposed to be sheltering in
place during COVID.
They were letting alerts out tothat and churches were getting
shut down.
They were letting alerts out topeople that were pro-Trump and
they should be called into courtfor this.
All these ridiculous things.
People were getting cease anddesist letters for saying
negative things online abouthillary clinton.
Like these technology companieshad the ability to read this

(32:32):
shit, these all this.
Ai should be going through andfinding all this shit my search
history on being so patrioticand going through and
researching charlie kirk andsome of these definitions and
things that we go to.
They probably watch and readthe shit that I say.
I bet Alexa right now isrecording the shit that we say
because we disagree with some ofthis nonsense, but it's not

(32:54):
used for good.
I don't understand how we can'tgo through, comb these things.
Be proactive to these things.
Ai should have the ability todo that.
They should be.
They showed themselves to us.
They proved to us during COVID.
They had the ability to dothese things because they were
shutting so many things downthat people planned on the

(33:15):
internet because of COVID.
You know what I mean.
There's the opportunity there,there's the ability for you to
do this.
You should be doing it.
If I can write something, put itthis way how many times have
you been placed in Facebook jailbecause you said something on
Facebook that they thought wasthreatening?
Like?
How many times just, somebodysaid something like I'm going to

(33:38):
come over there and kick you inthe nuts and they were shut
down for it?
My cousin, my cousin Joey'sbeen in Facebook jail a hundred
times for saying, like F you,I'm going to punch you in the
face, just joking half the time.
So you're telling me that youcan't see a message where I'm
planning an assassination foranything like this.
You can't put a stop to that,you can't put a red flag to that

(33:59):
.
It just seems crazy to me.
I there needs to beaccountability for social media.
And when I get back tomainstream media and all these
people that are out there sayingyou know Trump's Hitler and

(34:22):
he's a dictator and he needs togo, and they start labeling all
Republicans as fascists.
You and I both said let's lookinto this term a little bit more
and start to get a betterunderstanding of it.
Definition-wise, basically, afascist is a dictator,
centralized power, heavilyconcentrated at the center,
leaving little or no room forrepresentative democracy or
other liberal governmentpractices.

(34:43):
So this asshole that came outand assassinated Charlie Kirk.
He was writing things onammunition and one of them was
hey, fascist catch.
So he's labeling Charlie Kirkas a fascist and by definition
it literally says leaving littleor no room for representative

(35:04):
democracy or other liberalgovernment practices.
You literally wrote this on ashell casing and assassinated a
man who was leaving optimum room, who was actually partaking in
democracy, in allowing liberalpolicies and government to be

(35:27):
discussed.
He was literally the oppositeof this.
He was giving them a platformfor this discussion.
Ultranationalism the movementprioritizes the nation above all
else, often relying on a mythicor imagined historical past and
a narrative of national decline.

(35:47):
We know the nation's been indecline for the past four years,
but you don't need to createsomething about it.
Militarism and violence Fascismglorifies military strength and
views violence as legitimateand even a purifying tool for
achieving national goals.
So, by definition, a fascistviews violence as legitimate and

(36:11):
a purifying tool to achievenational goals.
This does not at all sound likePresident Trump.
This does not at all sound likeRepublicans.
If we go back to the study fromRutgers that says 56% of
liberals are saying it would bea good thing to assassinate
President Trump, that right initself, by definition, is a part

(36:34):
of being a fascist Suppressionof opposition, opposing
political parties, labor unionsand other dissenting groups and
are forcibly repressed to removeany challenge to one party
state.
They murdered a man because heopposed their beliefs.
They murdered a man because heis not aligned with their

(36:58):
beliefs.
Can we not understand what'shappening here?
Scapegoating Fascist movementsoften rely on the demonization
of internal or external others,such as ethnic or religious
minorities, immigrants orpolitical opponents, to unify
their population.
All these politicians, allthese influencers, mainstream

(37:20):
media members that are out therenow demonizing President Trump,
demonizing Charlie Kirk they'redoing these things to unify
their population.
They, by definition, inscapegoating they are
segregating religious minoritiesand political opponents.

(37:42):
They don't believe inChristianity.
They were mortified byCharlie's strong convictions and
belief in Jesus Christ.
If you think about this for amoment, they are demonizing your
religion.
They are demonizing yourpresident, they are demonizing
all political beliefs that youhave that do not align with

(38:04):
theirs, because they areunifying their population, their
lunatic population thatbelieves it's okay to
assassinate someone.
Social hierarchy fascismpromotes a belief in a natural
social hierarchy and an inherentinequality among different
groups.
And propaganda.
Sophisticated propagandatechniques are used to build
popular support and promote themovement's agenda, aka your

(38:28):
social media nonsense that I'mtalking about right now.
That's a sophisticatedpropaganda.
They're suppressing what shouldnot be suppressed.
They are releasing what shouldbe suppressed A lot of these
rallies and political nonsensethings that are happening.
They are funded by just bigpolitician and big business.
This is ridiculous.

(38:50):
The crazy liberals alwaysdeploy the same game plan.
Let's label our adversaries aswhat we actually want to be.
That way, we can't have ourtrue actions or beliefs
criticized.
That's my rant onresponsibility.
You feel okay with my rant.

(39:10):
I'm making your chair squeakand I apologize.
You bought a nice new leatheroffice chair and I'm making
contact with tables and chairsand elbows and I'm getting a
little heated.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Don't bring my chair into this.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
In case anybody hears it out there I'm not.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Gassy from dinner.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, I haven't had dinner yet.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I don't even know how to the.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
TV says temperature check yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
You're absolutely right.
So there's an actual Democratright there, john Fetterman.
I'm going to give him creditbecause I was never a Fetterman
fan and over the past year I'veactually seen him come to some
senses and offer some actualinsight and common knowledge and
way of thinking to theDemocrats.
He's calling for a temperaturecheck amongst all this political

(39:59):
hate, because the truth is, ifone side is constantly coming
out there and labeling Trump asHitler, saying he's a dictator,
they're labeling all Republicansas fascists.
You are creating this hotbed ofhostility and eventually, at
some point, somebody on theright, some right wing folks

(40:22):
that maybe are leaning far right, they're going to act out.
And then what's going to happen?
Because, if you think aboutthis, when Charlie Kirk was
assassinated in front of all ofus, a man that many of us love
and respect were there any riots?
Was there any looting?
Was there any violence?
We all know the answer was no.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Can we just take a moment and look at his outfit?
He's always like this.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
He's always like in a hoodie and shorts and doesn't
give two shits.
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's not professional At least here he's
wearing a collared shirt.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's part of the reason why I was.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
He's probably wearing basketball shorts underneath or
no pants at all, but at leasthe put a collar on as part of
the we had that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Whatever he was king of wherever, come over not
wearing a suit and tie and, likeeverybody like, demolished him
on what he was wearing how comethey're not talking about him
well, they used to um, and itused to be one of the things
that I was like how is this?
How do we take this guy serious?
But, uh, the more you listen tohim he actually not always, but
he has some common sense andit's somebody that you could

(41:32):
certainly have a debate and anormal civilized conversation
with, and you just wishdemocrats would maybe take his
lead.
There's no reason right now tonot establish common ground with
all parties right now.
I mean, I'd never in a millionyears thought we'd be at a point
where democrats are trying tojustify the assassination of

(41:57):
charlie kirk by saying well, Imean, have you heard some of the
things he said?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
well, I mean just before this, obviously like we
weren't paying attention toomuch, because old luigi and
mario over here, yeah, we're noton trial, but today they're on
trial and they're like hootingand hollering and celebrating a
party out on the front lawn ofthe court because some of his
cases were dropped, like alsoanother man that murdered

(42:24):
another man cold-blooded,clearly planned um one of the
things they're giving, takingoff of the table, was that it
wasn't premeditated.
So what you mean to tell meright now is that this man was
just walking down the streetwith a silencer and a hand a

(42:46):
handgun, and just was like youknow what that guy looks
important.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Let me just take him out.
Just going to happen to takeout the head of an insurance
company that I have a battlewith?
I don't think so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I don't believe in coincidences.
I don't, I don't.
It's just not something that Ibelieve in, that I believe in.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
The whole LeMangini whatever Luigi effect is part of
what I'm worried about withthis trial that's going to take
place in Utah, because themoment people start to come out
and support him and protest forhim and raise money for him, I'm
going to lose my ever-lovingmind.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well, I mean, the good thing about this one is
that it doesn't seem like it'sgoing to be too much time, like
they already have a trial dateset for september 29th.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
The problem is going to be that they're going to say
we can't find a jury becauseeverybody in utah knows about
this scenario.
We're going to have to move outof utah.
Um defense is going to startpushing for that.
Utah has the death penalty.
They can try to find their wayout of it.
Also.
Utah pretty certain has firingsquad for the part of the death

(43:48):
penalty.
That's one of their options, ifyou're asking me.
This son of a bitch deserves todie the same way he took
charlie out firing squad yesthat's a.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Thing yes I honestly believe I'm there with you, like
I think I mean this is like awhole other topic for a whole
other time, but like for me,when I think about like the
death penalty, it really chapsmy ass.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
And here's why I'll give you like a quick short and
Curly.
Yeah, if you are on death row,okay.
Do you want to tell me whypeople on death row are still on
death row?
Let's talk about one person inparticular Boston Marathon
bomber.
Yeah, still alive.

(44:34):
Doesn't make sense, but he's ondeath row Wasting tax paying
dollars.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
and here we are.
Yeah, he has a roof over hishead, he has warm food in his
belly every single day.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
three times a life.
Yeah, he has a roof over hishead.
He has warm food in his bellyevery single day, three times a
day.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
He has medical treatment when he needs to like,
but he murdered hundreds ofpeople.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
We need a firing squad for this lunatic, and if
you want to talk about the videofor charlie kirk not being
suppressed, then we'll have somevideo for this piece of shit
that's not suppressed.
Yeah, and when all hissupporters watch his head
explode like a watermelon aftera 50 cal goes through his
forehead, then maybe they'llunderstand that you don't mess

(45:21):
with jesus, you don't mess withpatriots and you don't pull this
lunatic nonsense.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
But you have to think , though, like, if that's the
case, like I'm 110% on board,like you know, if you read the
Bible, if you did somethingoutside of you know the box you
were taken to town and you werestoned Like not getting high,
but like you were stoned likenot getting high, but like you
were stoned to death.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
so like we should be doing that, like you know, if
you yeah, that's a whole otherdebate that we could get into
here, but and there's some ofthat stoning stuff.
You see, overseas is prettygruesome and ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, well, so wasn't the death on charlie kirk, but
what I'm saying is that, if thatis what's going to happen which
you and I both know it's notgoing to happen they'll do it
behind closed doors and it'll behis family and maybe Erica.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I kind of feel like this could be a case in US
history where an example is made, accountability is established,
responsibility is establishedis established, responsibility
is established and, um, theright people are in charge to
make this piece of shit pay andset an example for everybody
else but what I was going to sayis that if that's the case and

(46:34):
they do advertise it, let you,let us watch, we as the bigger
people.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I guess you can say we need to make sure that we do
not celebrate his death rightbecause then we're just as bad.
I understand that that is theright thing to do I'm gonna
disagree with you on this onewell, I mean, I understand that
like, yes, we want him, we wanthim gone.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I celebrated when os Osama bin Laden was put to death
.
I will certainly celebrate whenthis piece of shit is put to
death.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I know, but what I'm saying is that there are people
right now that stand on the sameside that we do, that are Going
out in public saying you are apiece of shit and you are a
terrible human if you arecelebrating the death of any man
.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I understand what you're saying, but this person
assassinated someone.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
He deserves what's coming to him.
Absolutely I will celebrateright and wrong.
I will celebrate theaccountability, responsibility.
I will certainly celebratesomeone that assassinated a man
in front of his wife.
I will celebrate someone beingput to death that assassinated

(47:55):
and destroyed Charlie Kirk'sfamily, Charlie Kirk's family,
the pain that his family isgoing to have to endure.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
his friends, I will celebrate the death of this
disgusting human being.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Okay, that's what it is on this one.
If he was just a civilian inthe street and this happened, no
, I'm not going to celebrate it,but I'm telling you right now
you stole something.
You stole an American treasure.
You stole an American icon.
You stole a father, you stole ahusband, you stole a brother,
you stole a son.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I understand you deserve what's coming to you.
I just think that the left sidedoesn't look at it that way.
They're going to look at it aslike oh look, now you're
celebrating the death of someone.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
You're damn right I am, because he took from us.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
But that's how they feel about Charlie.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I don't understand what you're saying here, because
Charlie didn't take anythingfrom them.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
That's what they think.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm not saying me.
I'm not saying me personally.
I understand that, but I don't.
I still don't think thatthey're saying he took anything
from them.
I think that they're saying hedidn't believe the way we
believe.
He, um, is a fascist.
He is this, he is that.
He didn't take anything fromthem.
He's suppressing our beliefs.
He doesn't agree with ourphilosophies.
He doesn't agree with myreligion.
He doesn't agree with mysexuality.
He must go.

(49:27):
It's not that he took anythingfrom them.
He didn't see life the way theysaw it, so he must go.
He's leading a large group ofpeople that agree with him, that
disagree with us.
He is a polarizing figure.
He's in a position of power.
He helped this president win anelection because he rallied the
youth vote.
He must go.

(49:48):
That's the way they looked atit.
That's how I feel about it.
I can certainly say that ifsome lunatic assassinated a
member of my family, murderedsomebody in my family, you were
not going to tell me that I'mnot going to celebrate the
murder of that person, the deathof that individual.

(50:11):
You know what I mean.
Look at it that way.
If somebody shot me today andthey went on trial and they got
the death penalty, would you orwould you not celebrate their
death?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I don't, I don't really know.
I mean obviously like I don'twant you to die, hello,
obviously.
But I'm not like, I think it's,I think it's bigger than this
and I I just think that we don'twant to be looked at as they're

(50:42):
being looked at right now.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
We have reasons for what we would be doing.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We are upholding the law and justice and there are
consequences and these people,they continue to live in this
life unchecked, withoutconsequences.
Then none of us are safe.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I agree with you and I agree that you know he
deserves the death penalty andhe deserves a quick, quick trial
.
Like I am there 110% I justthink that I don't know.
There needs to be caution withthe way that it's handled, with

(51:20):
the way that it's handled.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I don't think there's going to be a Super Bowl parade
for the way that it's handled,but I think that justice needs
to be served.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And consequences need to be established.
Accountability responsibilityneeds to be upheld and I hope
they don't drag this out.
I feel like they're going todrag this out, but I feel like
this're going to drag this out.
But I feel like this sorryexcuse of a human needs to be
put to death.
It needs to be done quickly andwe need to get the point across

(51:50):
that this is not acceptable.
It also wouldn't be acceptableif someone came out and
assassinated um you knowfreaking Barack Obama or
something right.
They would be put on trial andput to death just the same.
And that's my whole point,where they're saying temperature
check right.
And to establishing commonground.

(52:12):
After Charlie Kirk'sassassination, no right wing
political groups went out thereand rioted.
They didn't light businesses onfire, they weren't shooting and
looting in the streets.
That didn't happen.
But we know, if temperaturesremain unchecked, if things
remain the way they are, at somepoint, someday, some way,

(52:34):
that's going to happen.
The right side, eventually,there's going to be a portion of
the right that begins to fightback.
There's going to be a portionof the right that they might
decide.
We need to make an example, weneed to put an end to this and
right now the right is not inall of us.

(52:56):
We don't think that's the wayof going about it.
But there is definitely far,far right lunatics as well that
are hiding in the woodssomewhere that are thinking if
this shit doesn't come to an end, I'm going to bring it to an
end.
You can't tell me.
There's not people thinkingthat way.
If they don't put a cool to thetemperature, if they don't
establish common ground, thisworld can come unhinged.

(53:19):
Right now is the opportunityfor Democrats to come out and
say we are not about this.
We stand with Charlie Kirk, westand with his family.
This is not the way thingsshould be.
We stand with freedom of speech.
We stand with debate.
This is not the way thingsshould be.

(53:40):
But they're not doing that.
They're celebrating it, and bycelebrating it they are creating
a boiling pot of hot tensionsin this country, and we can't
have that.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I don't want to end this podcast on just hot rants
and hot takes over what'shappened and where the blame
goes and the direction for thistrial and all these things.
I want to end it with thebiggest sign of courage, of

(54:24):
resilience, of compassion, andthat was the speech that
Charlie's wife made.
I know that you watched thatentire speech and and it um
really hit home for you.
So, uh, I'd like it if youwould share a few thoughts on um

(54:47):
watching that 16, 17 minutespeech and some of the
conversations that we we hadafter that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I just think that she's a huge inspiration.
She just shows um grace,strength and power across the
board.
I think um within 24 hours or48 hours, I can't remember what
the time frame was of herhusband being assassinated.
She got up there and performedthe most beautiful, heartfelt

(55:16):
speech.
That goes to show that she hasno interest in like anything
other than making her husband'smission bigger and better than
it has ever been.
At this point, she doesn't careabout left or right.
She cares about her husband'smission and she cares about um

(55:39):
turning point and she's planningon making that bigger and
better than she, than Charlie,ever thought, and the message of
her going through saying likehis podcast will continue, his
meetups will continue.
Turning point will be largerthan it's ever been and, if you
know, we haven't written achapter for you, write one like

(56:00):
yeah and we watched today.
37 000 new chapters have beenrequested like she's gonna do
things, she's gonna movemountains and she's gonna show
her kids that, no matter thesetback, you keep moving you
don't let them hold you down.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
There was 3 400 chapters and, like you said, uh.
Since that that speech has been37 000 inquiries about opening
up their own chapters of uhturning point.
This we can only hope is, infact, a turning point in this

(56:37):
country that this assassinationof Charlie Kirk can be a turning
point to resolve differences,to find common ground, to
embrace fate, to become biggerin our faith, like Charlie
always said, even when hestarted his speech there in Utah

(56:59):
, because there's a lot ofMormons in Utah, and he said
listen, I'm not here to debateyour faith.
We both believe in Jesus.
Like, I'm okay with this, youbelieve what you want to believe
, I believe what I want tobelieve.
We both believe in Jesus.
Agree to disagree, we all know,in the end, where we're going,
and I think that he's anincredible man of faith and a

(57:21):
beacon of faith and aninspiration, one that draws me
closer to opening the Bibleright, to trying to honor him
with your own commitment tofaith.
If this country gets back tofaith, I think we're going to
find a lot of common ground.
We're going to solve a lot ofdifferences.
Faith I think we're going tofind a lot of common ground,

(57:42):
we're going to solve a lot ofdifferences the moment that we
begin to recognize and feelcompassion for the fellow human,
like that's part of the battle.
People aren't humanizing people.
These people that say, 50% ofpeople that say it's okay to
assassinate Elon Musk, or 56%say it's okay to assassinate
Elon Musk, or 56% say it's okayto assassinate Donald Trump
they're not humanizing thempeople.

(58:03):
They're not looking at thosepeople as humans.
When we embrace faith and webegin to humanize people, I
think we can find some commonground.
If Turning Point takes off theway that she's pushing it to the
way that people are interestedin it, that's a monster movement
.
His social media platforms gainmillions and millions of

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followers and likes.
I think the positive messagethat they spread is is a
positive opportunity for thiscountry yeah, y'all need jesus
amen to that, but I thinkturning point this could be the
turning point for our country.
I hope and pray this is theturning point for our country.

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We are at that turning point.
We must decide which way to go.
Are we going to continue tobubble up hate?
Are we going to continue toramp up the temperature on this
melting pot of politicalviolence?
Or are we going to say no onthis melting pot of political
violence?
Or are we going to say no?
Embrace faith, embrace humanityand resolve our differences,

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establish common grounds.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I truly hope and pray that's the direction for this
country.
I hope so.
I think she has the ability todo it.
She, I mean in her speech.
She said her cry out will be aroar.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And I have no doubt in my mind, based on the way
that she stood up there and shehad tear jerking moments, she
had moments that pulled yourheartstrings.
She had moments up there whereshe laughed Like she was so
strong and showed so muchcompassion and just strength.

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Like you could tell, and lotsof people have actually gone out
and talked about what she wasclenching the entire time and
she was clenching the mostbeautiful.
They didn't say whether it wasa bracelet or a necklace, but it
was a cross, but it had charms.

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Every now and again, and everytime I heard it, heard her
jingle it or something, it justrang through me with like, such
grace and such like peace.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Just like you hear, like in the church when they hit
the chimes and that sort ofthing, you just feel it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And she didn't.
She doesn't intend to do that,it was just something she had on
her, on her hand, resonatedwith you.
Yeah, you know it was awesome Idon't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I don't know how someone can be that composed and
that compassionate to deliverthe remarks that she did when
she did them, and I think thather speech can unify it can.
It can find common ground.
It can unite folks.
There's a lot of people thateither didn't know charlie kirk

(01:01:10):
or didn't agree with him, um,but him being assassinated and
the way in which this hasunfolded, they have said, whoa,
this isn't for me.
Yeah, I'm said whoa, this isn'tfor me, I'm not about this life
, this isn't for me.
And they've opened themselvesup more.
That's the turning point, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
That's the turning point where if and I think she
resonated with tons of people,not necessarily who stood for
what Charlie had to say, butshe's now resignating with moms,
she's now resonating withwidows, people who have lost

(01:01:52):
their husbands or partners Wouldshe maybe even murderers?
You know, she has taken astance on this situation that
has allowed another platform.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, a whole other platform, massive, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
And that, right there is exactly what Charlie would
have wanted.
He wouldn't want his mission todie with him, and she's going
to be certain that that thatrings true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
It's definitely going to go bigger than it probably
ever would have with him rightthe people.
This is brought to theforefront and has um garnered
attention from people that neverwould have imagined.
I think that Turning Point isgoing to appeal to many people
that they never even thoughtpossible.
So this world needs to makesure that this man did not die

(01:02:53):
in vain, that his mission liveson, because it is a good mission
, it is a worthy mission, it isa godly mission, it is one that
can help unify and save thiscountry and it must carry on.
And in the way in which thishas happened and unfolded, it
has got the attention of morepeople than Charlie could have

(01:03:13):
ever imagined.
They are using an NFL stadiumfor his memorial on Sunday.
That in itself is incredibleFor me, with all of this and
everything that was going onwhen the news happened, when
this broke and we watched thevideo and we were clinging to
our phones waiting to hear that,hopefully praying for him and

(01:03:35):
his family, that hopefully hecould pull through and he would
make it.
We all prayed for that and wehoped for that, but I became
overcome with fear, fear ofreality that this world is scary
, the reality that you can'tprotect your loved ones from
this world, the reality that itis all out of your control.

(01:03:58):
That fear began to overcome methe more times I saw the video
replayed on the news and theconversations and the heartache
and the heartbreak and all thosethings that were unfolding.
It was getting to me, and as itshould.
We should all mourn and weshould all take time to reflect

(01:04:18):
and to realize the realness andthe severity and the seriousness
and the reality of thesituation.
But during that time, Iactually fell back on some
advice that I saw from CharlieKirk, some advice that rang true
for me, that I've held on tosince the moment.
I've seen him deliver it, andwe were talking earlier how we

(01:04:43):
both were Charlie Kirk fans.
Actually, a couple of monthsago, Charlie came to Maine and
we were hopeful to go to hisevent.
I received an email from it'slike a Republican group that I'm
a part of saying that he wasgoing to be coming just a couple
towns away from us and wewanted to go there, but I think
we had a wedding or an event orsomething that we were doing
tickets were sold out oh, Iwould have gotten them.

(01:05:06):
I was on the republican, likeinvite, like email, but we, um,
we were somewhere already so wecouldn't, we couldn't actually
make the event.
They were already sold outbecause I was notified before
they even released it.
Remember, remember, I came toyou and said, hey, I just got
this email.
But there's all these quotesand things that I remember from

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Charlie or that we weremotivated by, but the biggest
one, the one that's always stuckwith me and I don't know it
pray for Charlie and his familyand to give them the strength
and the courage and hope that hecould pull through.

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But I took his advice, and hisadvice was when the world seems
crazy, when all these things arespiraling around you, unplug.
Put your phone away, put it inthe drawer, shut it down, turn
the TVs off, get away from it,get back to what's important,
embrace your faith and embraceyour family and do those things.

(01:06:08):
That social media isn't reality, that your phone isn't reality.
What's in front of you, what'snext to you, that's reality.
So during those times, I tookthe moment to take in all that
was happening.
I prayed for Charlie and hisfamily and I continued to pray
for him and me and my family putour phones away and we went out

(01:06:29):
.
We went to a county fair, wespent time together, you and me,
my mother and our beautifulbaby girl and we unplugged
ourselves, just the way CharlieKirk told us to do.
We celebrated and embraced ourtime with each other.
And we came home and I refusedto turn the news on because at
that time we knew that Charliedidn't pull through.

(01:06:51):
I was not going to turn thenews on and go to sleep that way
.
You me and our little baby girllaid in bed and watched Bluey
and spent time together.
That is what Charlie Kirk toldus to do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
She loves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Bluey, I implore each and every one of you, when you
find yourself overcome withemotion, whatever that is, if
it's hate, if it's fear, if it'ssadness, de-stress, unplug.
Get back to what's important.
Put your phone away, turn theTV off, pray today and spend

(01:07:29):
time with your family today.
That's one lesson I learnedfrom Charlie Kirk.
I hope you all learned it too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I sent you that message and your or that quote.
You sent me that one.
Yeah, and you know what yourresponse was yeah, right, you
could never do that.
I have that.
I have that message.
I sent you that because I saidwell, that's a really good point
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Well, pull it up.
You still have it available.
Oh yeah, maybe the people canhear the real version, because
here I am just rambling on onwhat my own version of it is,
what my own truth of it is, andI think it's fitting for us to
actually end today's episode onsome actual words from Charlie
Kirk.
So hopefully you can track thatdown and pull that out.
I hope that the sentiment oftoday's show is that there's no

(01:08:18):
right or wrong way to feel.
You and me are debating how weshould feel about the death
penalty on someone.
You and me are provokingthought and conversation about
the world that we live in andthe times that we're in and the
situation that we're dealingwith, and I hope that all
households are doing the samething.
That's one of the great freedomsof this country, that's one of

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the things that Charlie Couriccelebrated most.
That debate, that conversationthat this is how I feel, this is
how you feel.
Let's establish what's theright way to feel here.
That conversation, thosefundamental values are so
wholeheartedly, charlie Kirk.
So I hope and pray that thatmessage rang true from us today.

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I hope that the message of truefrom us today.
I hope that the message ofresponsibility rang true today
that responsibility should bethrown at social media.
Responsibility should be thrownat all forms of media that
continue to label hate, thatcontinue to call out fascists
and label people as Hitler.
Those things need to stop.
A temperature needs to beturned down, we need to be

(01:09:21):
cooled down and we need to findcommon ground.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
July 30th, 3.01 pm.
I had sent you the video.
All right 3.24,.
You watched the video andresponded.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Okay, wow, calling me right out, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Pretty cool.
I don't think you'd be able to.
I don't think you'd be able to.
I don't think you'd be okaywith this one though.
Ha ha ha.
My response at 325, middlefinger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, sounds exactly like you.
I watch this video a bunch oftimes because it just is some of
the best advice, I think, thatanybody can give.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yep, here he is.
I think that anybody can giveYep.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Here he is.
I'd love to know your thoughtson Sabbath and how practically
your family practices this andapplies it.
As the wife, I have seen ittransform him in a way that is
so powerful that when he turnshis phone off and it goes in
that drawer and I know that he'sall on for the family there is

(01:10:25):
no distractions and he finallygets to reset his brain.
He finally gets to breathe andas a wife, there is nothing more
precious than my husband'ssanity when it comes to the echo
chamber and everything thathe's dealing with in his world.
So I have seen it change himand impact our family in one of
the most beautiful ways.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I think that, to our own detriment and to our own
failure, we as Christians havedecided to cast away resting on
one of the seven days.
God rested after creation.
That comes before the Hebrews,it comes even before the
creation of the modern world andcivilization as we know it, and
it says very clearly in thescriptures for six days you

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shall work and the seventh dayyou shall rest.
If you are feeling overrun bysociety, you might be feeling
depressed or anxious.
Here's just one way that youmight be able to improve Turn
your phone off for one day.
No contact, no social media, nowork.
Your mental health will improvedramatically.
That is a day to go, be with God.
That is a day to read yourBible and be out of the busyness

(01:11:29):
and the hurriedness and theanger and the noise of this
world, go back to God's naturalrhythm.
And it's made our family muchtighter knit and I could be
traveling for five or six days,but if I at least get one good
Sabbath with my family, itcharges all back up.
I would love to know yourthoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
That's that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I actually get emotional hearing his voice and
hearing those words, because Idon't know how someone can
develop so much hate for thatman.
I don't know how an individualcan become so overcome with
hatred that they spend a weekplotting a way to assassinate
that man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
It really doesn't.
It just goes to show we nevertruly know what people are
thinking and how they're feeling.
It's never that bad, y'all.
It's never that bad.
And I don't know how you canjust hate somebody so much,
without even knowing somebody,that you do what you did.
I don't know how you can hate aman that is so full of faith.

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It's hard to understand, it'shard to understand, it's hard to
fathom.
But as much as it's a downfalland as much as it's painful to
know that the video of hisassassination will live on the
benefit of this widespread mediathat we have, is that Charlie's

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message.
All those quotes, all thosedebates, all those conversations
, all those moments ofinspiration, those two will
always live on.
They're going to grow upknowing what an amazing man
their father is and his messageand his legacy turning point is
going to blossom and grow farbeyond anything he ever imagined

(01:13:26):
.
With all that said, I knowtoday's conversation was a
heated one, a debated one.
I just hope that we can findsome common ground from today.
And I hope that we can findsome common ground from today
and I hope that we can justagree to spread his message
today and lean into our faith.

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Take some time with God andspend some time with your family
.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Thank you for supporting Charlie's American
dream.
Now go wash your freaking hands.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
You filthy, savage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
That's it and that's all Biggie Smalls.
If you're a Loud, proudAmerican and you find yourself

(01:14:27):
just wanting more, find me onYouTube and Facebook.
At Loud, proud American Put theface page, as my mama calls it.
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Or all the kids aretickety-talking on the TikTok.
You can find me on both ofthose.
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A big old thank you to the boysfrom the Gut Truckers for the
background beats and the themesong to this year's podcast.
If you are enjoying what you'rehearing, you can track down the
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Just search Gut Truckers.
Give them, motherfuckers, alike too.
Make it bleed, I hate to say.
I told you so.
Feel the pain.
Make it bleed, I hate to say.

(01:15:31):
I told you so.
I truly thank you forsupporting my American dream.
Now go wash your fucking hands,you filthy savage.