April 8, 2024 • 60 mins
True story of redemption. When Jeremy Kelsay, founder of Every 11 Minutes, speaks about his descent into the dark world of opioids, you can't help but be drawn into the raw honesty of his narrative. Together, we traverse his life story, from the clutches of heroin and fentanyl to his rebirth as a drug counselor intent on tackling the opioid epidemic head-on. It's a discussion that peels back the layers of addiction, exposing the harsh realities and the glimmers of hope that recovery brings. His voice lends a sobering perspective to the urgency of this crisis, as we're confronted with the alarming statistic that opioid-related deaths now occur every five minutes. Jeremy's candidness about the role addicts often unwittingly play in the distribution chain underscores the complexity of the issue and the profound importance of empathy and understanding.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
She bold, she real and she's definitely ready.
Hey guys, it's your girl,Smiley B, and we are back with
(00:22):
another bold episode.
Hey guys, today it is just me.
Eva G had some work schedulingconflict today, so she will not
be recording with me today.
However, today I have here withme Jeremy Kelsey.
He is a drug counselor and thefounder of Every 11 Minutes
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nonprofit organization.
Hey Jeremy, how are you feelingtoday?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Amazing, amazing Just got done with this total
eclipse and I was promised itwas going to be the show of the
century.
It's not going to happen againuntil 2044.
And I went out back with mychair and my glasses on and I
saw absolutely nothing.
And my glasses on and I sawabsolutely nothing what.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh my gosh, I feel so bad.
It was such an experience Me,my sister, my niece and my sons
all of us, like my whole family.
We were like out front, we hadour glasses, we were kind of
sharing, we had about five pairof glasses, we were rotating
around, but it was definitelyexperience, it was definitely a
sight to see.
So I hate that you had to missthat it was I.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I noticed it was a little, it was a shade darker,
but yeah I don't know.
No, it's never what you expect,right right.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, it got dark over here.
I'm um, I'm in ohio for youguys listening, and Jeremy's
over in California.
So definitely different timezones, different experience.
But it did get dark over hereto the point where my
streetlights came on in mycomplex so I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And we're still here.
It wasn't the end of the world,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Absolutely.
I love that.
Well, we're happy to have youhere today on the SheBoku
podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, you want to kind of introduce yourself a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh God, what do you even say here?
My name's Jeremy Jeremy Kelsey.
I am from Sonoma County,california.
I'm a recovering addict.
I was.
My drugs of choice were prettymuch everything, but at the end
I was shooting meth and heroin.
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Then it turned into fentanyland I've overdosed a number of
times.
My last overdose was too closefor comfort.
I'm very blessed that I'm stillhere and I decided to just do a
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180 on my life and do the exactopposite, Changed everything.
And now I've been a drugcounselor for three years.
I started a nonprofit calledEvery 11 minutes.
At the time, every 11 minutessomeone died from an opioid
overdose.
Up to every five minutes.
It's five every five minutesnow.
(03:18):
But oh wow, Are you serious?
Yeah, we're trying to branchthose numbers down.
Right, so, right, so wait.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Every 11 minutes, when you when it, when it was
that you know every 11 minutes.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
When you came up with that name?
How long ago?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
was that it was about three years ago, so in the
matter of three years, the sameamount of people died, but in
like half the time.
So basically every five minutesa person dies from opioid
overdose.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's up to every five minutes now, and that, the main
perpetrator there beingfentanyl, oh wow.
And so when I was a heroinaddict I want to say 2000,.
You know, 2018, 2019, beginningof 2020, it was there was black
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tar heroin.
I don't know what I can say onthis podcast, or what I can't
say oh no, you're fine, you'refine I'm good yeah, you're good
yeah.
So for me it started with norcos, which are, you know,
hydrocodone.
A lot of people don't know, butthese pain pills that they push
you, that the doctors push toyou, they're very addicting.
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You know, this is actually thebeginning of the opioid crisis,
as I'm sure people are wellaware, was OxyContin, which was
in the early 90s, which startedthis whole thing.
We'll probably get into that alittle later.
But I started with uh norco,which is hydrocodone,
acetaminophen and um got strungout on those.
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I tried to quit.
I got sick and I said, okay,well, how do I quit this thing?
I looked into a harm reduction.
Uh, you know, lightweight, I wasjust trying to still stay high
because they cut me off, and soI got on methadone, which was a
very big mistake.
Um, and then something happened.
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I got an altercation withsomebody and got in a physical
fight and then they kicked meout of the methadone clinic.
So someone had introduced me toheroin soon after, and so, yeah
, heroin's a whole different.
It's a whole different game,whole different beast, because
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it's such an early onset whenyou're smoking.
I hadn't started shooting yet,but it's just an instantaneous
high and it's not even about thehigh, it's about the, I guess,
the chase of it.
You're so sick that it feelsgood once you feel normal.
So basically you'll hear thisterm thrown around.
I'm just trying to get well.
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But what getting well looks likeis boosting from Home Depot or
boosting from Friedman Brothersand selling electronic tools and
laying people down and doing abunch of evil stuff to get your
money.
And then you go flip it andthen that's the thing is most of
these people they're likestring up these fentanyl dealers
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.
Um, no mercy, give them life injail and death sentence to all.
Most of these dudes are justtrying to support a habit.
They don't even know how theygot into it.
So the heroin?
What would happen out here isthe heroin would drought out.
So everybody would be sick andyou'd be like what's going on?
There's literally no heroin.
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And then for about a weekeveryone's bringing me money.
Hey, once you cop, you got me,yeah, I got you, I got you.
I'm sitting on stacks of money.
And then the new product hits.
You buy the new product and getit off to everyone.
And then there's bodieseverywhere and you're just like
wait Right, what the heroin iskilling people?
(07:01):
No, it's because they droughtedit so they could introduce
fentanyl and pretty soon all theheroin was gone and it was all
fentanyl.
All the product was fentanyl oh,wow and so you went from a uh
unknowingly, overnight from aheroin addict to a fentanyl.
And now it's being disguised asother drugs.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The most.
Yeah, I get weekly.
I get fentanyl laced marijuana,fentanyl laced cocaine,
fentanyl laced, of course,percocet, and these people,
these kids, are taking itunknowingly and dying in record
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numbers.
Year olds, 13 years old I justgot a two-year-old.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
One-year-old yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah broke my heart.
So um with that you said likeyou said, with the hospitals and
people um being prescribed that.
I thought that was super umimportant that you said that,
because a lot of people don'tunderstand um when they looking
at, when they're looking atpeople um from the outside,
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looking in, and they're lookingat people who are struggling
with addiction, it's just likeyou know, immediate, like
judgment almost, but it's likeyou said, it's like it only
takes for you to maybe break aleg or get into a car accident
and they're giving you painmedicine, but it's like you
don't know what type of effectthat's having on someone.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So I'll break it, I'll bring it, go ahead.
I mean you're fine, go ahead.
Now I could break it down toyou like this, Right?
So what's the most perfect dayyou could think of for you?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The most perfect day.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, what's a picturesque day for you A whole
day.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Um, so I would say waking up, of course.
Um you know getting my kids up.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's always good right.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, Waking up, getting my kids, you know, up
and ready for school breakfastand then off to school.
Then, you know, getting some,some things done for the podcast
.
I have another business that Irun, so getting you know I have
a daily goal list.
So being able to check offeverything on my daily goal list
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, that would make a great daylist.
So being able to check offeverything on my daily goal list
, um, that would make a greatday.
Maybe grabbing lunch with acolleague um, you know, come
getting some.
You know other errands ran umthen coming home, getting the
kids from school, um cookingdinner, um cleaning the home and
, you know, really just spendingtime with my boys, that's
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really a perfect day for me.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Um, right, like you feel, like you're serving your
purpose, yeah, okay yeah now addto that we're gonna add to that
that you won the lottery thatday oh yeah, that'd be lovely
okay so all of that, yourpurpose-driven life, you're,
you're all your goals.
And on top of that, you won thelottery right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that day, that perfect day, is going to give
you maximum.
I want to say 75 to 100nanograms per centiliter of
dopamine.
Okay, Okay.
So an average someone with asubstance use disorder.
They inject heroin or say meth.
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Can you imagine or just try toguess how much dopamine that is?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And we're going to compare that to 75 to a hundred
nanograms per centile.
So when you use that drugyou're getting anywhere from 900
to 1100 nanograms percentiliter when you use that
drug.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So compare 100 to 1100.
That's quite a difference right, yeah.
So what happens is yourtransmitting neurons are
shooting neurotransmitters toyour receiving neurons and your
receptors, and so it's anoverflow of neurotransmission in
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your, in your synaptic vesicleI think it's called synaptic
vesicle and um, you can'tcompare that to anything.
So your perfect day.
You want to have your perfectday over and over and over again
, am I right that's?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
what we're striving for yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So these people that we were so quick to judge
there's such a stigma aboutthese people are trapped in a
dream.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Literally trapped in a dream, and the things that you
got to do to get these drugs.
It's insane.
It's you're literally.
The best way I can describe itis your body is taking your soul
on a sick ride through hell,like your soul, doesn't your
soul's print.
You're keeping your soulcaptive, but your body needs
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what it needs, and so it justtakes you to the depths.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, and I think that I mean I've never had it
broke down in that way, soscientifically, like descriptive
and like really in detail.
Um but I can't imagine, youknow, someone being told that
are just even experiencing that.
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You know, chasing that, um,especially just with everything
that life has to offer.
You know you have your ups anddowns and though yeah, as I got
older and I started to growspiritually, I learned that that
is the beauty in life.
Is that?
everything is not perfect andthat you, you have to find the
beauty in the not so perfectdays, um, but I can understand
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that and even I was going to askyou.
You know too, because you know,in the urban music and the
music that we hear, in theserappers and things like that,
they they describe it in thatsense kind of in a glorified way
, but just in a different.
They don't, you know, break itdown like as such, as you did,
but you hear them saying thesethings about you know, popping
pills and things like that.
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So how would you say, do youthink that has the impact on
these younger kids choosing todo these, do these things, and
thinking that it's cool?
Because they're hearing it inthe music?
They're hearing these rappersand artists say how great they
feel when they're rolling andwhatever you know terminology
they use when they're describingtheir high in a sense.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, they use when they're describing their high,
in a sense yeah, um so an artistthat comes up on my radar.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
A lot is juice world oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Um, who you know, his life tragically ended.
Um from you know his plane wasgetting pulled over and he took
an excess amount of I think itwas uh, it was painkillers,
right it's perks, I think, um,so, of course, I heard about
juice world here and there, but,um, that's why it's so cool
that I have this, this job.
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I'm a drug counselor and Ididn't really get to that, but
I'm a drug counselor now and, um, more than uh, more than
anybody probably on the staff, Iwill get the um someone with a
fentanyl use disorder, and so,um, I, I like to do this group
called music therapy, where, soyou have different people,
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different races, creeds,backgrounds, um, that's what's
so cool about a rehab is, um,you, you know coming back from
what we were just talking aboutand then being back with your
tribe again, you know, beingbeing social again.
And so in these, in these musictherapies, each individual gets
to select a song of theirchoice, something that gives
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them an emotional charge, andthen everybody gives their
undivided attention, they listento the song, and then the
person explains why they chosethat song.
And then I had a young manchoose Juice WRLD.
I think it was Lean With Me and,like I said, I don't know what
I can say on the podcast, butthe lyrics in it are basically
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about drug use.
Okay, the lyrics in it arebasically about drug use.
Okay, and she's got a real nicebeat.
It's just really, I want to say, hypnotizing.
Oh okay, His voice, Juice WRLDhis voice and the instrumentals.
It's kind of haunting becausewhen you listen to the dude rap,
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he's yelling help me.
He's like, help me.
You know what I mean.
He's struggling, you can telland people are like, yeah, help
you.
All right, pop another perk.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so this kid showed methis and I was like damn, that
was amazing.
So I listened to a few more ofhis songs, and just really for
the beat at first, but to listento his lyrics, it's a, it's a
whole thing.
Dude was definitely had asubstance use disorder and he
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was struggling and I don't knowif the people around him helped
him.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right so he helped himself helped him right, so he
helped himself.
Yeah, and that's you know.
And that's the thing is.
Like, a lot of people typicallyare affected when someone that
you love or someone who is dearto you is struggling, but you
you never really understand itfully until you're in that
situation.
You know what I'm saying.
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I kind of um, you know, relatedto when I first started dealing
with like anxiety and I used tojust isolate myself and not
want to be around people becauseI felt as if I didn't want to
be looked at differently.
I didn't want people to, youknow, judge me or whatever, and
then I didn't also want to haveto try to explain or feel like I
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had to get people to try tounderstand, because I felt like
no matter however I describe it,no matter however I try to
explain to someone the feelingor what I'm going through, it's
like unless they've felt it orhave experienced it, they're not
going to fully understand andso it's not going to make sense
to them.
You get what I'm saying, butwhen you have those people
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around you that really love you.
Their goal is not to try tounderstand.
Their goal is to just love youand be there and support you.
And so once you have thosepeople around you, it becomes
that much easier, because it'slike I don't have to, I don't
have the weight of like tryingto get you to understand me Now.
It's just the fact that I knowthat you're there and if I need
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you, you're there, you're goingto love on me, you're going to
speak life into me, you're goingto support me.
You know, and I think that thatis so important, you know,
because it is, it's difficult,it's difficult to to explain to
someone, like you said, eveneven you breaking it down how
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you did it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I still will never fully understand that, because
I've never felt that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
you know, yeah, thank God for that Right.
So just to kind of backtrackagain too, cause I didn't want
to um, you know, miss anything.
so that's fine with yourrecovery and going through
everything.
I know that you said youoverdosed a number of times.
So going back in those moments,like what was it like for you?
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Because one thing you knowpeople say is like, okay, these
people are not fearful of ofdeath.
Is it like?
Is it that you're they're notfearful of death?
You know, because you seepeople out here, you know,
dropping like flies, like yousaid, from every 11 minutes to
every five minutes.
That is insane.
I mean, we've been on this we'vebeen on this um segment for 20
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minutes now, so that means thatin the past 20 minutes, four
lives have ended, that isheartbreaking.
That is so heartbreaking.
So for you, what would you say?
Was like that moment that youwere like, look, I don't want to
.
I don't want to be that closeto death again?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Um man, so be that close to death again.
Um man, so the high that you're, you're chasing after right.
Okay, so I'll just start at thebeginning.
I was in a.
I was in the back of a truckand I was a youngster, I was
like 15, and we're going out tothis uh, abandoned mansion,
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we're gonna have a.
We had some pony kegs in theback.
Dude was drunk driving.
I was in the back of the truckand then it flipped over into a
ravine.
So the truck landed on top of me, crushed my homie and I barely
made it out alive oh, wow and soI'm in the hospital and, um,
just kind of going over theevents, just kind of in shock
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and trauma, and I had a homegirl.
She was cleaning out the woundsin my hands and she's kind of
like singing softly to me and Ihave the warm hospital sheets,
you know, tucked up over me andI'm in a little pain and then
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all of a sudden I feel the bestI've ever felt in my life.
I feel safe, I feel tingly,warm, I feel like I'm being held
by God.
What I didn't know was they'reinjecting me with morphine.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Oh, wow, so they were giving you pain meds, and they
didn't even tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They told me afterwards.
I was like what was?
What was that?
They're like we gave you somepain medication, some morphine.
You'll be right.
As soon as they said that, assoon as I knew what that was, I
was sold.
The seed was planted for life.
I didn't seek it out right away, but I always remembered that I
didn't really.
I was 15 years old, I didn'tknow what it was or what was
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going down.
I found that again when I foundheroin and I chased it.
So I couldn't chase it anymoreand the best highs I ever had
were on the edge of death.
It's right where you're notdead, not dead, but you're.
You're not really alive, you'rejust kind of in that phantom
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nod.
You're in that.
You're like right on the righton the river boat, at the edge
of death, just so likeunconscious yeah, not even
unconscious, because you don'tknow when you're nodding.
The worst thing I ever seen wasa video of me nodding.
I was like that's me.
What hell of a little out hereyeah but um yeah.
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So I chased that a long time,died, I was revived, I remember,
uh, they dropped my body off inthe corner of piner and marlo
and I died in some trap house.
And as soon as I, I happen tohave a shot on my property.
So as soon as they revived mewith the Narcan and I'm like I
gotta get through this wall, Igot to get through this Narcan
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wall and so I did a shot in thelobby at the hospital.
The nurse that helped revive mecame in.
Like what are you doing?
I'm like, get out.
Oh, wow so, yeah, it's the lasttime that that happened.
Um, I was in jail for, I think,four months and I got out and I
said I'm not gonna do thisanymore, I'm just gonna drink.
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I made a promise to myself andso I'm just drinking tall cans
every day.
And I was in the rightopportunity, the right spot and
the girl I was with.
Um, I didn't have to talk herinto it too much and she made me
like a water watered down shotof what we call red rock out
here, which is, um, it'sfentanyl okay was it was like a
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heroin, fentanyl, that's all.
So she made it, made me watereddown shot.
I shot the little bit and I waslike there's that magic feeling
.
This time I'm probably notcoming back.
I came out of it.
I noticed there at the end ofthe garage and they had left my
needle there with a full cap andI pulled back the syringe all
the way and then I shot myselfup and I supposedly and I don't
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remember this, this, but I diedfor about 10 to 15 minutes.
Uh, luckily, the girl there hada couple of narcans on her.
She narcan me once, I didn'tcome back.
She narcan me again.
I didn't come back and then shestarted doing chest
compressions and I came back.
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Oh, wow, that was a big wake-upcall.
It wasn't like I had a neardeath experience or anything
like that, but in my I don'tknow how to explain it it was
like I kind of I was on intothat void.
I was at the threshold where Iwas like, damn, what did I do I?
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I, I messed up.
I knew I would mess up.
Eventually, like I was kind oflike out of body.
I can't really explain it inwords, but I knew I had gone
into that darkness and if I diedlike that, I'm not so sure
where I'd be going, and so thatwas kind of spooky and it really
(24:23):
had my gears turning.
It really made me think, damn,gonna go back out.
She offered, she offered mesome.
Right after that, couple hoursafter that, I'm like you know
what?
I'm gonna go home wait, I waswaiting.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The woman who revived you offered you another hit of
the drugs that nearly killed you, and you were yeah, hours later
.
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And so I was like you know what, I want to go home
and I don't know, maybe we'll go, because I was supposed to turn
myself in to go to rehab forsix months, but I would have to
go to jail for a couple monthsand wait for a bed, and so I'm
like I'm not doing that.
You know, I'm used to havingwarrants and running and stuff
like that, and so I'm just gonnago home for a minute, rest up
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and then hit the streets again.
So I go to my parents house.
My daughters are there at two,three daughters, but my two
daughters were there.
I forget how old they were atabout probably about five and
seven, I would imagine.
Yeah, probably about five andseven years old.
My baby's mom was up fromColorado staying up here, and
they all went to bed.
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I'm at the house and the girl'shitting me off the chain and I'm
just like I think I'm going togo back out.
And then I'm like, damn, if Igo back out, I feel like I'm
really going to die this time.
Is it worth it?
I don't know.
I'm like, damn, if I go backout, I feel like I'm really
going to die this time.
Is it worth it.
I don't know.
I'm going back and forth, backand forth.
I'm like, well, I have theopportunity to turn myself in
tomorrow.
What am I going to do?
I don't know what I'm going todo.
Well, I'm going to go back out,but I'm going to do one last
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human thing.
So I decided to sit in my dad'schair and watch a movie.
There's a new movie out I thinkit was Joker with Joaquin
Phoenix, and I used to likemovies.
That was the last human part ofme.
I liked to watch movies everynow and then because I was so
out of it from drugs.
I sat there and I'm watchingthis movie and I'm decided you
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know, I'm gonna go back out andsomething, something eerie
started happening.
Um, I'm watching the screen andI'm thinking did I bring
something back with me from thedarkness?
Which sounds crazy, right?
And all of a sudden I'm sittingin a chair and I'm paralyzed.
(26:43):
I can't move.
I'm trying to will myself up,to move, and I don't know if
you've ever had a terror bynight or paralysis.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's basically a demonic attack.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Mm-hmm, it's basically a demonic attack.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And so I can't move.
I'm trying to wheel myself upand something tells me I hear
audibly that we bite on the waydown.
And as soon as it said this,something put its hand over my
left eye and it took it back.
And then something pinched meon my right elbow.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was hella spooky.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I got up.
I got up, I started prayingincessantly the Lord Jesus and
God helped me call a hedge ofprotection, call Michael the
archangel to defend me in battle.
And it went away and then sonot audibly.
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But God told me go into theroom.
And I went into the room and Iseen my daughters there sleeping
and I'm thinking what have Ibeen doing, dude?
Look at these little angels.
What am I doing?
Yes, and so I turned myself inthe next day and that was my
last overdose.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's so amazing, you know, just even like
everything down to you, know youfeeling the need to pray and
calling on the name you knowJesus, and that is so that's so
amazing With that, you know.
I know you said that yourdaughters were in the next room.
(28:27):
I was just going to ask youthat too.
Like, how do you think, likewhat was the effect on your kids
?
You know you said they wereyounger, yeah, yeah.
So like, how was thatrelationship?
You know, during that time whenyou were experiencing your
worst part of addiction, so I,um I was very good at hiding my
(28:48):
addiction.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
At least, I thought I was good at hiding it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Since they were babies.
I babies, I was in their life,but you know I wasn't really
there okay just like today.
I woke up.
I felt everything.
I felt the sun on my face, Ifelt connected with all things
around me.
Then I wasn't connected.
You know what I mean yeah, goahead.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm sorry no no, I was just gonna say um, um, I
completely under, can relate onthe on the opposite side of like
, being a child who, you know,had two parents who struggled
with addiction majority of mychildhood.
Um, so you know, I know thatconnection, that void of having
(29:41):
a relationship and having thatconnection with my parents, but,
you know, not trulyunderstanding it because you're
just a kid.
But I do remember and I canrecall the feeling of, like, you
know, searching for the value,like do my parents love me?
Or, you know, do they careabout me?
Like, you know, really, just asa kid, just really confused
(30:04):
because you see other kids intheir relationships with their
parents and you're not purposelycomparing them.
But as a kid, that's where yourmind goes.
You're like, oh, wow, well, whyisn't my dad showing up for
this?
Or why isn't my mom here forthis?
You know, I was moved around alot and I was raised for a nice
chunk of my childhood by mygrandmother, so both my parents
(30:26):
were really absentee to theiraddiction.
But you know, as now I'm anadult and I have a more
understanding and I'm able togive them grace, but I do
remember, you know, feeling likethat and I think that that's
really what was the determiningfactor for me, because I grew up
(30:47):
in a generation where thatbecame cool.
You know popping pills andgetting high.
And I have, you know, usedmarijuana and I started smoking
at a young age.
But I was always like, oh, it'sjust weed is you know, it's no
problem.
But even you know, like you say, you know, just even being
(31:08):
careful of, like who you'resmoking with or watching them
roll.
But I used to always say like Idon't never want to feel like I
need this or I have to havethis, because I seen what that
did to my parents and I've seenwhat they were willing to
sacrifice and what they missedout on by choosing you know that
or by having that struggle ifit exists, it's going to
(31:44):
transmute or transcend to theperson that's close enough, um
to you.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Whether that's neglect, um, whether that's um
addiction itself transferringit's, it happens in the family
system, just like that.
I come from you know parentsthat definitely drank and used
and, um, I love my parents.
Now we have a greatrelationship, but it wasn't.
I didn't have the safestchildhood right, yeah and um
(32:11):
when I remember just uh,experiencing alcohol for the
first time like, oh my god, I'msafe yeah.
I'm safe now and this is my.
This is my new best friendright so um with with my oldest
daughter.
She's 25 um she's fightingaddiction right now, so I tried
(32:36):
to show up and be consistent.
I did, and then I tried to showup as a counselor, and then I
tried to just show up as afriend again, and then I just
started showing up as a father.
So what hat do I gotta wear todefeat this thing?
You know you feel so helplessas a parent.
You know it's probably ashelpless as she felt as my
(32:58):
daughter, and so now that hastransferred from my daughter to
the mother of that child, itjust hit me up.
Sure, it's her choice, but it'sso.
This disease is so cunning,powerful and baffling you can't
wrap your mind around it.
No for sure, powerful andbaffling, you can't wrap your
(33:22):
mind around it.
No, and I go to school.
Yeah, I do this, you know, 40hours a week and I go to school
for it, to learn it, and uh, itis.
It's just so confusing.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's a good fight to be in, but man yeah, no, and you
know that's so important and Iappreciate you sharing that and
being open about that because itis, it truly is um a disease
and it is.
It does affect more peoplearound you.
(33:52):
Uh, maybe you know, if notdirectly, indirectly, whether
they see it, they hear it orwhatever.
You know what I'm saying.
It.
Just you never get to choosehow it affects you later, who it
affects around you andbiopsychosocial.
That would be the social partyes, so true and um so I
(34:13):
appreciate you opening up andbeing open about that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And you know with you what you're doing with your,
what your platform is.
I think amazing Telling storiesfor these families, sharing
their stories, giving them avoice.
I know that it's not easy forthem.
And then even you having to putthat out there, like you said,
(34:41):
even with the two-year-old, likethat is so heartbreaking A
two-year-old getting a hold ofsuch a deadly, you know, drug.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, rest in peace, nevaeh Wallace yes, rest in
peace.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like that's insane.
So like what pivoted you?
Like what started that whereyou started your pages and you
started to want to put otherstories out there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, being a survivor of the opioid crisis,
it only made sense to meyanhughes, donald harvey, timon
nicholson, casey, calder, noahgarcia, the list goes on and on.
Um.
It's pretty bad out here insonoma county too.
I started doing um events outhere to try to highlight the
(35:56):
fentanyl epidemic that's goingon not just in Sonoma County but
you know, san Francisco thetenderloin.
It's a damn war zone out thereright now.
Um so through a couple of eventsfor the homeless situation out
here and then realized, you know, this is good, we're helping
(36:17):
the homeless, but what are wedoing for them besides feeding
them, right?
So we did this event calledsummer aid, um, with impact
foundation, and, uh, we fed thehomeless, but we also got them
clothes and hygiene and haircutsand you know, you know clothes.
(36:37):
And then also, when they leftthey there was a booth set up.
If you're a veteran, we got abooth for you.
You want a covid shot?
We got a covid shot.
You want to get into rehab?
We have a booth set up for that.
And I thought, hey, we'rereally doing something with this
.
So started throwing more eventslike that and then went on a
social media platform, learnedthe uh, you know the intricacies
(36:59):
of social media through tiktokand facebook and instagram, and
just started putting it outthere, putting the awareness out
there, and literally reachedtens of millions of people.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's crazy no, for sure, I was gonna say, um, you
know, I think you have like over300,000 followers on Instagram
and.
I'm not sure how many on TikTok,but yeah, like that is, that's
so great, like the fact that oneyou were, you were once going
through the same struggle, thesame struggle you even
(37:41):
experience, you know, near deathand then being we, you know,
re-evaluating your life andbeing able to give, get, get a
second chance and taking thatsecond chance to make a
difference and to give back andgive a platform to others is
amazing.
That's truly what it takes tobe chosen and faithful to what
the Lord is calling you to do togive back.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
All praise to the Lord, all praise to Jesus Christ
on that one.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Amen.
Amen to that.
I think that is so amazing.
Truly, that's what happened.
I stumbled upon your page and Iseen these stories and I was
like, wow, I didn't even know itwas that bad, because if it's
not directly affecting you, youdon't know.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
it affects your city, your community, your state,
your state, your country, you itaffects you.
It's only a matter of timebefore it comes around and
affects you.
So, I monitor what's said onthe page as much as I can.
I understand there's a lot ofnegativity and a lot of people
(38:55):
going against what I'm trying todo, but I can't stop what I'm
trying to do, but I can't stop,won't stop.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
so yeah, and that's you know.
That's expected.
You know, whenever you're doingwhat the lord has chosen you to
do, what the enemy is going todo is come and try to steal,
kill and destroy that yourpurpose.
You know absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I don't take it personally Most of these people.
It's a cry for help.
When it comes down to it, it'sbecause Defense always confirms
accusation Right.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Correct, yeah, true.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Most of these people are.
Either they have wounds that wecan't see, or it hasn't came
around to them yet, and it will.
Whatever doesn't come out inthe wash comes out in the rinse,
am I right?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, that's so true and it's so sad that you know
people would rather be used inthat manner.
You know being negative whenwe're talking about lives that
are lost.
Two year olds, 10 year olds, 13year olds these are kids who
are innocent, who don't evenknow the dangers.
They don't know Maybe theynever stumbled upon your page.
(40:03):
Maybe those who do stumble uponyour page, they will rethink and
reconsider.
Do I want to go smoke thisjoint with Joe Smoe after school
?
Maybe not, because, hey, it mayhave it.
It may not have any fit and allin it, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I believe that.
I believe that, because peoplehave commented on that you see
them tagging their kids in it Um, pay attention to this and uh,
it's that.
That absolutely outweighs anykind of negative negativity that
I'm coming across or any kindof hate.
That's fine, I'll take that.
You know, it's water off aduck's back.
I don't take it personally.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
For sure.
I mean it sucks.
You know I have a five-year-oldand a 12-year-old and I'm
already having to haveconversations with my
12-year-old about you know.
He's just now starting to takeTylenol and ibuprofen, so I have
to tell him you don't take itfrom nobody but me.
And that sucks you know thatsucks Because he's like well I'm
(41:00):
.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's a whole different world.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, and he doesn't understand that.
And it's sad that I have tobreak it down to him like that
and almost be like, yeah, youcan't trust anybody, you know,
because there's kids that mayreally think they're giving you
a title.
No, hey, they don't.
They're giving you a title.
No, hey, they don't.
They don't know what theirparents may have.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You see kids nowadays on the news taking what they
think are gummies to school andthey're filled with thc or
whatever you know we even we hada taste with those too, with,
uh, I think it was a delta 9gummy someone had, I don't know,
somehow got contaminated andthen, uh, someone had died off
that wow see it's wild, right,because I don't want to be a
(41:43):
fear monger and I absolutelybelieve in harm reduction, and
but it's just not that worldanymore.
You, you, literally in the worldI grew up in, did I experiment?
Hell yeah, I experimented, butwe didn't have to worry about
being buried at 12, 13 years oldfrom going out and doing a line
of coke or something like that.
Like it's, it's different.
(42:03):
The trajectory has changed.
You will die.
Don't trust anything.
Literally, you have to beabstinent.
If you're gonna smoke weed,grow it yourself.
Grow it yourself or Grow ityourself, or go to a club, and
that's not even that safe.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
When you say club, do you mean like the dispensaries?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, go to the dispensaries.
But I can't even say that's100% safe.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
That's scary.
Yeah, like you said, it's justbringing that awareness, giving
people the knowledge, becauseit's truly just ignorance.
You know, it just comes fromnot knowing and, like you said,
what used to just be a smokesession after school could
(42:53):
easily turn into somebody beinglaced and losing their life and
kids.
They get scared, they just theydon't know how to react in that
moment.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
They don't they may not have kids or narcan around.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
They probably don't even know what narcan is, so
they're probably just, you know,running off and maybe leaving
their friend.
They're not knowing thatthey're dying, they're just like
oh, maybe they're having a badreaction or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You never every, every, every american should
have narcan readily available.
Um, the government should makethis a thing.
You're like, everybody shouldhave dark and readily available.
Have one off on them at alltimes.
The way it is, fentanyl teststrips should not be illegal.
That's insane.
Um, I'm pretty sure they're.
(43:42):
They're illegal in most statesin in america.
It's crazy, um, and now you gotxylosine to worry about.
So this is narcan resistant.
It's called uh, what is it?
Trank?
They call it trank, which isshowing up everywhere now and
then.
So people are odian.
And then you go to narcan themand nothing.
It's narcan resistant becauseit's a, it's an animal
(44:04):
tranquilizer oh wow.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
So what is exactly is narcan?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
narcan is a blocker and it's basically a blocker.
It's an antagonist.
So the opioids go into thereceptor and it's so much
neurotransmission that it startsto mess with the central
nervous system, which makessomeone stop breathing and they
die when they get hit withNarcan.
(44:43):
That blocker is so strong itgoes into the receptor and binds
to the receptor and kicks theopioid out.
Oh, so it kind of reverses theeffect.
Yeah, it's like a polysynapticeffect.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh wow.
And is it free?
Could you get it for free fromplaces?
Or you have to pay for it.
Where would you buy this from?
Where would someone who whoneeds this?
Where would they be able tofind?
Is this something you buy overthe counter?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
yeah, if you're, you can buy them over the counter at
like cvs, rite aid, or you cango to like for here we have a
place called face to face, butthey'll only give you so many,
so you can.
You can get them in aprescription store, unprescribed
and um.
I think it's like 40, 50dollars for one.
(45:27):
But if you're um, if you're anon-profit with a 501 c3, you
can literally get like crates ofthis stuff shipped to you.
Uh, if you go through nextdistro I think it's next you can
literally get crates of thisstuff shipped to you.
You go through Next Distrocomwhere it's Narcan distribution.
Just literally Google Narcandistribution in my county so
(45:50):
many people hit me up about this.
I'm like where are you fromNevada?
You just literally GoogleNevada, free Narcan.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Very simple to do got you okay, yeah, yeah, that
that's definitely important, andI, you know, for people to know
, especially, like I said, evenfor these younger kids who still
might want to explore and, youknow, do those things.
It's like at least try.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I would never encourage anyone to do that, but
like, at least be proactive andbe knowledgeable, and you know
everybody, listen, everybodyneeds to talk to their kids
about fentanyl and trust me,trust and believe, if you you
have a teenager, you're notgoing to have a freaking camera
(46:41):
on them at all times.
Dude people want to blame theparents.
Nah, listen, they got.
They got availability, they gotsupply.
All they need is a lifestressor, and they're definitely
going to experiment with drugs.
It doesn't matter if theirfriend just died, they're going
to.
So that's a reality we need toaccept, and we need to accept
(47:02):
that this is an internal problemin the United States.
We want to blame Mexico, wewant to blame China?
Listen, we can clean up thisshit right here in our backyard.
With enough awareness, we coulddo that.
This is a problem that startedhere with the opioid epidemic
(47:24):
from the OxyContin started bythe Sacklers.
In the early 90s, you had these, and this is all from greed.
These people sent these medicalcompanies or, I'm sorry,
pharmaceutical companies out tothese rural pockets all
throughout the Midwest in NorthAmerica, and they finessed these
(47:45):
doctors.
They gave me, gave themincentives to push this
painkiller on to America.
So what you're seeing right now, though, is the fallout.
You're seeing the grandchildrenif not great grandchildren of
this 90s epidemic oh, wow it wow.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
It's Purdue responsible for all these deaths
.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, you're teaching me something here and that's
why I wanted to have you on.
I just felt that you know thatI would be able to learn
something, but that also I wouldbe able to, you know, offer,
you know, this knowledge to ourlisteners, because it is very
important and I feel like it'snot talked about enough, in a
sense of like what we can do tofix it.
(48:35):
We talk about the impact thatis having, the effect that is
having on people in ourcommunities, but we're not,
we're not talking enough aboutwhat we can do to fix it, what
we can do to make change.
You know and where it did startand you know, giving people a
more of an understanding, sothat we're not just sitting
around passing judgment andsaying shoulda, coulda, woulda,
(48:58):
or it couldn't be me, wouldn'tbe me, those types of things.
When you have the knowledge,you have the background, you
have someone who's like hey,I've been there.
That gives you a differentunderstanding, it gives you a
different compassion, it givesyou a different drive to try to
make change.
You know, and I think that's soimportant.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I wouldn't take a day back.
I don't have any regrets.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I appreciate that you agreed to come on and speak
with us and give us those gemsand those tips, because you know
, like you said, I felt sotouched when I had reached out
to you and you said you will bewilling to come on.
But not only that you werewilling to come on, but that you
prayed about it and that youyou got confirmation to do so,
and that just also gave meconfirmation that this is what
(49:45):
we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to providewhatever you know, support and
whatever knowledge that we canto those who are who will listen
yeah, the, uh, the shebopodcast.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
I don't know if I'm saying that right yeah, shebo
crew, yep anointed by god, man.
I'm telling you, I appreciatetelling you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I appreciate that so much.
We appreciate that so much.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Chosen ones right here.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thank you so much.
We appreciate it and we lovethat.
You know anyone who comes ontothe podcast.
We pray that you do feel youknow called to do so, because
there is a bigger purpose and wejust want to connect and be a
support to you as well.
What you're doing is nothingshort of amazing and you deserve
(50:30):
, you know, recognition for that.
No for sure.
Like that's so true, like Ican't imagine going through what
you've gone through and comingout and saying, hey, not only am
I going to change my life, butI'm going to try to change and
save as many lives as I can,because you know, it's some
people.
They'll go through things andthey'll come out of them.
The Lord will bring them out ofit and they will just go on
(50:51):
about their life and be thankfulfor that.
And that's okay too.
Everybody's not meant to be orcalled to be, chosen to be, you
know, an anointed person to gosave others.
But you, you said no, I'm notgoing to just save myself to go
save others, but you, you saidno, I'm not going to just save
myself.
I was bought back for a reason.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I was given a second, a third chance for a reason and
that and that is important.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
you know, and I just want to encourage you today that
you know, regardless ofwhatever the enemy tries to
throw in your way, whateverroadbloblocks, whatever you know
things he tried to do todestroy, what it is that you set
out to do with every 11 minutes, continue to do that because,
yeah, you're going to have thosespiritual warfares, you're
going to be under attack, butI'll take it.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
I'll take it.
It's worth it.
Listen, I would.
I would much rather chooseadventure over security.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And no one wants to ride up.
No one wants to ride on a flatroller coaster.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
yeah, no let's go and the fight is definitely worth
the reward.
It's so worth the reward and sowe're rooting you on here.
We're supporting you, you know,from the other side of the
world, we're all the way acrossthe world, you know, but we're
supporting you, um, you knowwe're following what it is that
you're doing and you know,hopefully we can connect more
(52:11):
and, you know, be able to be apart of and play a part of, be a
support of the movement thatyou have, because it is such a
big movement and it's soimportant.
It's needed today.
It's needed it really is andlike we always say people gonna
trust somebody who's been there,done that, more than maybe
(52:33):
someone who is just like hey,you know, I want to help you,
you know, but not really beingable to understand where that
person is coming from, you canunderstand firsthand yes, I know
the darkness very well.
Yeah, so for sure, and justbefore you know, I want you to
give your social media handlesand all that information so that
(52:56):
the listeners know how tofollow you, how to follow the
movement and know how to findyou.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, tiktok.
It's at every 11 minutes, justhow it sounds At every 11, two
ones minutes at every 11 minutes.
And then my Instagram IG handleis at every dot, 11 dot minutes
, minutes.
(53:32):
And uh, we just had a facebookget hacked, so I'm trying to
combat that right now, but uh,just put up another facebook, so
it's at, and I don't know whatthose two dots are called an
ellipsis.
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
what is?
Speaker 2 (53:41):
it two dots, like whatever it's ever it's at two
dots, like whatever it's everit's at two dots.
Ellipsis 11 minutes.
Okay, so you told me beforewhat is your?
Uh, what?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
what the hell moment?
Yeah, we didn't get to do thewth moment in the beginning, but
I'm glad you came back to us.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
So, yeah, you have a wth moment you want to share
with us yeah, so I'm not goingto be able to probably reply to
this client, but after I got offthe phone with you I went to
boxing.
I'm on my way back from boxingand I got this email from a past
client.
So I can't say his name becauseit would be a hip violation.
(54:24):
But so yo, jeremy it's.
The name has been stricken fromthe narrative.
Hope all is well with you.
Sorry, I missed seeing you onmy last day at a line.
That's where I work, a linerecovery center's big shout out.
I just want to say that linetotally changed my life and my
experience there was one of thegreatest of my life.
(54:44):
You were such a huge part ofthat.
You're one of the mostinspiring people I've ever met.
You showed me more than anyonethat recovery just isn't
necessary.
But it's beautiful and hellafun.
I'm enjoying life at the SLE.
I'm here.
It's great having blank herecan't say his name.
We're a good.
(55:05):
We're a good duo when it comesto keeping each other
accountable.
My court case is still draggingon, but I'm not stressing about
it.
I'm doing iop mondays,wednesdays and fridays.
I just started last week but Ireally like it so far.
It was kind of a trip, leavinga line after 90 days.
At first I just wanted to beback there because it became my
(55:27):
home, but I'm getting used tolife on the outside and it's
pretty great not to be thinkingabout drinking.
Just wanted to tell you, um, soyou know, all is good and you
played a huge part in trulymaking me believe a sober life
is not only possible, but Idon't miss any of that stuff I
was doing before.
(55:47):
As always, beyond grateful foryou and hope you're having a
good day.
Much love, bro.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's so dope, and that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I wouldn't trade that right there for my best high.
Yeah At all, I wouldn't, Ican't.
That's the real stuff, that'sthe authenticity.
That's the authenticity, thatis the roller coaster, that's
the uh.
You know, I was on a 90-dayjourney with this young man and,
um, man, it's I can't evenexplain it.
(56:18):
It's all these golden momentsand, um, I get to be front row
seat, you know, at the bestmovie in the world, and it's my
life.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Absolutely.
And you're awesome, yeah, andyou're fully awakened and aware
of everything you know.
And I think that is so importantbecause, like we said in the
beginning, you know life is fullof ups and downs, but there's
beauty in all of it and you justhave to really be open to
receive that and then, and ifyou can't find it, you know,
(56:51):
being able to lock in withyourself and take that time to
reflect and have that, thatdivine time to really figure
that out.
But it does take time andeverybody's journey is different
, but that is amazing, that's sobeautiful.
But it does take time andeverybody's journey is different
, but that is amazing, that's sobeautiful and that's how I feel
.
You know, similar to when I getyou know, contacted or inboxes
(57:13):
about the podcast and just themessage that we put out there,
because, though, I love to talkand meet new people and you know
there's beauty in that, butthere's also beauty in being
able to have someone say, hey,like you really made a
difference for me, or hey that'swhat I needed to hear.
You know, when I thought aboutending it all you and your words
of inspiration that changedthat you know.
(57:34):
Just being able to say, youknow, I'm this much closer to
doing what the Lord has me to do.
That's God showing off rightthere.
Yeah, there's nothing that wecould ever do to earn and
deserve the love of God, but wecan always work at it.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
No matter what, we can always work at it, and
that's what it's about, so Ilove that for you, all the
character flaws that I stillhave, and I'm able to be seated
in heaven with God right now aswe're on this podcast.
Yes, how crazy is that amen.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's so beautiful and I'm just so thankful for this
moment.
I'm thankful for you, thank youfor taking the time out and
sharing that information with us, and being open and transparent
is such a beauty and being ableto own you know your journey
and I love that for you.
And, like I said, I hope thatthis is not just a one off.
(58:33):
I hope that we can connect moreand that whenever it is that
you're having events or whatever, though you're in California,
we're here in Ohio, we're just aflight away and, at the end of
the day, we're just a call away.
So it's nothing for us toconnect and and and push that
out there.
You know, and and do and do apodcast or whatever we need to
(58:53):
do to, to to get that supportout there.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I'm with it.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yes, did you want to leave anything else you wanted
to say?
You want to leave with thelisteners before we end today I
just much, much love and respectto everybody out there.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
You know, um, stay woke and choose wisely.
Yes, I don't mean I don't, bythe way, I don't mean be woke.
You know what I mean.
I'm not using that phrase woke.
What I mean is wake up, openyour eyes, look at your, be be
aware of your surroundings,because it's not worth your life
absolutely and then, uh, I'lljust drop this, uh, one of my
(59:36):
favorite verses from the bible,ephesians 6 12, for our struggle
is not against flesh and blood,but against the rulers, against
the authorities, against therulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this darkworld and against the spiritual
forces of evil and heavenlyrealms.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Amen, yes, Well, I appreciate you again and we
thank you so much for havinghere my co-host.
She was so sad she couldn't behere today.
She was ready and amped forthis segment.
So sad she couldn't be heretoday.
She was ready and amped forthis segment, but I know she's
going to love to hear thedelivery.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Like.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I said, this isn't going to be our last time, so
we're excited to see what elseyou do with every 11 minutes and
we're in support of that in anyway that we can help, Don't
hesitate to reach out to us.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
We're locked in now.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
No problem.
Thank you again for taking thetime.
You could have been anywhereelse doing anything else, but
you took the time to speak withus today, so we appreciate that,
and until next time, guys, staybold.
She bold, she real and she's definitely ready.
Hey guys, it's your girl,Smiley B, and we are back with
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another bold episode.
Hey guys, today it is just me.
Eva G had some work schedulingconflict today, so she will not
be recording with me today.
However, today I have here withme Jeremy Kelsey.
He is a drug counselor and thefounder of Every 11 Minutes
(00:42):
nonprofit organization.
Hey Jeremy, how are you feelingtoday?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Amazing, amazing Just got done with this total
eclipse and I was promised itwas going to be the show of the
century.
It's not going to happen againuntil 2044.
And I went out back with mychair and my glasses on and I
saw absolutely nothing.
And my glasses on and I sawabsolutely nothing what.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh my gosh, I feel so bad.
It was such an experience Me,my sister, my niece and my sons
all of us, like my whole family.
We were like out front, we hadour glasses, we were kind of
sharing, we had about five pairof glasses, we were rotating
around, but it was definitelyexperience, it was definitely a
sight to see.
So I hate that you had to missthat it was I.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I noticed it was a little, it was a shade darker,
but yeah I don't know.
No, it's never what you expect,right right.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, it got dark over here.
I'm um, I'm in ohio for youguys listening, and Jeremy's
over in California.
So definitely different timezones, different experience.
But it did get dark over hereto the point where my
streetlights came on in mycomplex so I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And we're still here.
It wasn't the end of the world,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Absolutely.
I love that.
Well, we're happy to have youhere today on the SheBoku
podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, you want to kind of introduce yourself a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh God, what do you even say here?
My name's Jeremy Jeremy Kelsey.
I am from Sonoma County,california.
I'm a recovering addict.
I was.
My drugs of choice were prettymuch everything, but at the end
I was shooting meth and heroin.
(02:31):
Then it turned into fentanyland I've overdosed a number of
times.
My last overdose was too closefor comfort.
I'm very blessed that I'm stillhere and I decided to just do a
(02:52):
180 on my life and do the exactopposite, Changed everything.
And now I've been a drugcounselor for three years.
I started a nonprofit calledEvery 11 minutes.
At the time, every 11 minutessomeone died from an opioid
overdose.
Up to every five minutes.
It's five every five minutesnow.
(03:18):
But oh wow, Are you serious?
Yeah, we're trying to branchthose numbers down.
Right, so, right, so wait.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Every 11 minutes, when you when it, when it was
that you know every 11 minutes.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
When you came up with that name?
How long ago?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
was that it was about three years ago, so in the
matter of three years, the sameamount of people died, but in
like half the time.
So basically every five minutesa person dies from opioid
overdose.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's up to every five minutes now, and that, the main
perpetrator there beingfentanyl, oh wow.
And so when I was a heroinaddict I want to say 2000,.
You know, 2018, 2019, beginningof 2020, it was there was black
(04:09):
tar heroin.
I don't know what I can say onthis podcast, or what I can't
say oh no, you're fine, you'refine I'm good yeah, you're good
yeah.
So for me it started with norcos, which are, you know,
hydrocodone.
A lot of people don't know, butthese pain pills that they push
you, that the doctors push toyou, they're very addicting.
(04:29):
You know, this is actually thebeginning of the opioid crisis,
as I'm sure people are wellaware, was OxyContin, which was
in the early 90s, which startedthis whole thing.
We'll probably get into that alittle later.
But I started with uh norco,which is hydrocodone,
acetaminophen and um got strungout on those.
(04:52):
I tried to quit.
I got sick and I said, okay,well, how do I quit this thing?
I looked into a harm reduction.
Uh, you know, lightweight, I wasjust trying to still stay high
because they cut me off, and soI got on methadone, which was a
very big mistake.
Um, and then something happened.
(05:13):
I got an altercation withsomebody and got in a physical
fight and then they kicked meout of the methadone clinic.
So someone had introduced me toheroin soon after, and so, yeah
, heroin's a whole different.
It's a whole different game,whole different beast, because
(05:35):
it's such an early onset whenyou're smoking.
I hadn't started shooting yet,but it's just an instantaneous
high and it's not even about thehigh, it's about the, I guess,
the chase of it.
You're so sick that it feelsgood once you feel normal.
So basically you'll hear thisterm thrown around.
I'm just trying to get well.
(05:58):
But what getting well looks likeis boosting from Home Depot or
boosting from Friedman Brothersand selling electronic tools and
laying people down and doing abunch of evil stuff to get your
money.
And then you go flip it andthen that's the thing is most of
these people they're likestring up these fentanyl dealers
(06:19):
.
Um, no mercy, give them life injail and death sentence to all.
Most of these dudes are justtrying to support a habit.
They don't even know how theygot into it.
So the heroin?
What would happen out here isthe heroin would drought out.
So everybody would be sick andyou'd be like what's going on?
There's literally no heroin.
(06:39):
And then for about a weekeveryone's bringing me money.
Hey, once you cop, you got me,yeah, I got you, I got you.
I'm sitting on stacks of money.
And then the new product hits.
You buy the new product and getit off to everyone.
And then there's bodieseverywhere and you're just like
wait Right, what the heroin iskilling people?
(07:01):
No, it's because they droughtedit so they could introduce
fentanyl and pretty soon all theheroin was gone and it was all
fentanyl.
All the product was fentanyl oh,wow and so you went from a uh
unknowingly, overnight from aheroin addict to a fentanyl.
And now it's being disguised asother drugs.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The most.
Yeah, I get weekly.
I get fentanyl laced marijuana,fentanyl laced cocaine,
fentanyl laced, of course,percocet, and these people,
these kids, are taking itunknowingly and dying in record
(07:46):
numbers.
Year olds, 13 years old I justgot a two-year-old.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
One-year-old yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah broke my heart.
So um with that you said likeyou said, with the hospitals and
people um being prescribed that.
I thought that was super umimportant that you said that,
because a lot of people don'tunderstand um when they looking
at, when they're looking atpeople um from the outside,
(08:12):
looking in, and they're lookingat people who are struggling
with addiction, it's just likeyou know, immediate, like
judgment almost, but it's likeyou said, it's like it only
takes for you to maybe break aleg or get into a car accident
and they're giving you painmedicine, but it's like you
don't know what type of effectthat's having on someone.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So I'll break it, I'll bring it, go ahead.
I mean you're fine, go ahead.
Now I could break it down toyou like this, Right?
So what's the most perfect dayyou could think of for you?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The most perfect day.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, what's a picturesque day for you A whole
day.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Um, so I would say waking up, of course.
Um you know getting my kids up.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's always good right.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, Waking up, getting my kids, you know, up
and ready for school breakfastand then off to school.
Then, you know, getting some,some things done for the podcast
.
I have another business that Irun, so getting you know I have
a daily goal list.
So being able to check offeverything on my daily goal list
(09:22):
, that would make a great daylist.
So being able to check offeverything on my daily goal list
, um, that would make a greatday.
Maybe grabbing lunch with acolleague um, you know, come
getting some.
You know other errands ran umthen coming home, getting the
kids from school, um cookingdinner, um cleaning the home and
, you know, really just spendingtime with my boys, that's
(09:43):
really a perfect day for me.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Um, right, like you feel, like you're serving your
purpose, yeah, okay yeah now addto that we're gonna add to that
that you won the lottery thatday oh yeah, that'd be lovely
okay so all of that, yourpurpose-driven life, you're,
you're all your goals.
And on top of that, you won thelottery right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that day, that perfect day, is going to give
you maximum.
I want to say 75 to 100nanograms per centiliter of
dopamine.
Okay, Okay.
So an average someone with asubstance use disorder.
They inject heroin or say meth.
(10:31):
Can you imagine or just try toguess how much dopamine that is?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And we're going to compare that to 75 to a hundred
nanograms per centile.
So when you use that drugyou're getting anywhere from 900
to 1100 nanograms percentiliter when you use that
drug.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So compare 100 to 1100.
That's quite a difference right, yeah.
So what happens is yourtransmitting neurons are
shooting neurotransmitters toyour receiving neurons and your
receptors, and so it's anoverflow of neurotransmission in
(11:25):
your, in your synaptic vesicleI think it's called synaptic
vesicle and um, you can'tcompare that to anything.
So your perfect day.
You want to have your perfectday over and over and over again
, am I right that's?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
what we're striving for yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So these people that we were so quick to judge
there's such a stigma aboutthese people are trapped in a
dream.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Literally trapped in a dream, and the things that you
got to do to get these drugs.
It's insane.
It's you're literally.
The best way I can describe itis your body is taking your soul
on a sick ride through hell,like your soul, doesn't your
soul's print.
You're keeping your soulcaptive, but your body needs
(12:14):
what it needs, and so it justtakes you to the depths.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, and I think that I mean I've never had it
broke down in that way, soscientifically, like descriptive
and like really in detail.
Um but I can't imagine, youknow, someone being told that
are just even experiencing that.
(12:39):
You know, chasing that, um,especially just with everything
that life has to offer.
You know you have your ups anddowns and though yeah, as I got
older and I started to growspiritually, I learned that that
is the beauty in life.
Is that?
everything is not perfect andthat you, you have to find the
beauty in the not so perfectdays, um, but I can understand
(13:02):
that and even I was going to askyou.
You know too, because you know,in the urban music and the
music that we hear, in theserappers and things like that,
they they describe it in thatsense kind of in a glorified way
, but just in a different.
They don't, you know, break itdown like as such, as you did,
but you hear them saying thesethings about you know, popping
pills and things like that.
(13:23):
So how would you say, do youthink that has the impact on
these younger kids choosing todo these, do these things, and
thinking that it's cool?
Because they're hearing it inthe music?
They're hearing these rappersand artists say how great they
feel when they're rolling andwhatever you know terminology
they use when they're describingtheir high in a sense.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, they use when they're describing their high,
in a sense yeah, um so an artistthat comes up on my radar.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
A lot is juice world oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Um, who you know, his life tragically ended.
Um from you know his plane wasgetting pulled over and he took
an excess amount of I think itwas uh, it was painkillers,
right it's perks, I think, um,so, of course, I heard about
juice world here and there, but,um, that's why it's so cool
that I have this, this job.
(14:14):
I'm a drug counselor and Ididn't really get to that, but
I'm a drug counselor now and, um, more than uh, more than
anybody probably on the staff, Iwill get the um someone with a
fentanyl use disorder, and so,um, I, I like to do this group
called music therapy, where, soyou have different people,
(14:37):
different races, creeds,backgrounds, um, that's what's
so cool about a rehab is, um,you, you know coming back from
what we were just talking aboutand then being back with your
tribe again, you know, beingbeing social again.
And so in these, in these musictherapies, each individual gets
to select a song of theirchoice, something that gives
(14:58):
them an emotional charge, andthen everybody gives their
undivided attention, they listento the song, and then the
person explains why they chosethat song.
And then I had a young manchoose Juice WRLD.
I think it was Lean With Me and,like I said, I don't know what
I can say on the podcast, butthe lyrics in it are basically
(15:20):
about drug use.
Okay, the lyrics in it arebasically about drug use.
Okay, and she's got a real nicebeat.
It's just really, I want to say, hypnotizing.
Oh okay, His voice, Juice WRLDhis voice and the instrumentals.
It's kind of haunting becausewhen you listen to the dude rap,
(15:42):
he's yelling help me.
He's like, help me.
You know what I mean.
He's struggling, you can telland people are like, yeah, help
you.
All right, pop another perk.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so this kid showed methis and I was like damn, that
was amazing.
So I listened to a few more ofhis songs, and just really for
the beat at first, but to listento his lyrics, it's a, it's a
whole thing.
Dude was definitely had asubstance use disorder and he
(16:16):
was struggling and I don't knowif the people around him helped
him.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right so he helped himself helped him right, so he
helped himself.
Yeah, and that's you know.
And that's the thing is.
Like, a lot of people typicallyare affected when someone that
you love or someone who is dearto you is struggling, but you
you never really understand itfully until you're in that
situation.
You know what I'm saying.
(16:42):
I kind of um, you know, relatedto when I first started dealing
with like anxiety and I used tojust isolate myself and not
want to be around people becauseI felt as if I didn't want to
be looked at differently.
I didn't want people to, youknow, judge me or whatever, and
then I didn't also want to haveto try to explain or feel like I
(17:07):
had to get people to try tounderstand, because I felt like
no matter however I describe it,no matter however I try to
explain to someone the feelingor what I'm going through, it's
like unless they've felt it orhave experienced it, they're not
going to fully understand andso it's not going to make sense
to them.
You get what I'm saying, butwhen you have those people
(17:29):
around you that really love you.
Their goal is not to try tounderstand.
Their goal is to just love youand be there and support you.
And so once you have thosepeople around you, it becomes
that much easier, because it'slike I don't have to, I don't
have the weight of like tryingto get you to understand me Now.
It's just the fact that I knowthat you're there and if I need
(17:51):
you, you're there, you're goingto love on me, you're going to
speak life into me, you're goingto support me.
You know, and I think that thatis so important, you know,
because it is, it's difficult,it's difficult to to explain to
someone, like you said, eveneven you breaking it down how
(18:13):
you did it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I still will never fully understand that, because
I've never felt that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
you know, yeah, thank God for that Right.
So just to kind of backtrackagain too, cause I didn't want
to um, you know, miss anything.
so that's fine with yourrecovery and going through
everything.
I know that you said youoverdosed a number of times.
So going back in those moments,like what was it like for you?
(18:39):
Because one thing you knowpeople say is like, okay, these
people are not fearful of ofdeath.
Is it like?
Is it that you're they're notfearful of death?
You know, because you seepeople out here, you know,
dropping like flies, like yousaid, from every 11 minutes to
every five minutes.
That is insane.
I mean, we've been on this we'vebeen on this um segment for 20
(19:02):
minutes now, so that means thatin the past 20 minutes, four
lives have ended, that isheartbreaking.
That is so heartbreaking.
So for you, what would you say?
Was like that moment that youwere like, look, I don't want to
.
I don't want to be that closeto death again?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Um man, so be that close to death again.
Um man, so the high that you're, you're chasing after right.
Okay, so I'll just start at thebeginning.
I was in a.
I was in the back of a truckand I was a youngster, I was
like 15, and we're going out tothis uh, abandoned mansion,
(19:46):
we're gonna have a.
We had some pony kegs in theback.
Dude was drunk driving.
I was in the back of the truckand then it flipped over into a
ravine.
So the truck landed on top of me, crushed my homie and I barely
made it out alive oh, wow and soI'm in the hospital and, um,
just kind of going over theevents, just kind of in shock
(20:08):
and trauma, and I had a homegirl.
She was cleaning out the woundsin my hands and she's kind of
like singing softly to me and Ihave the warm hospital sheets,
you know, tucked up over me andI'm in a little pain and then
(20:29):
all of a sudden I feel the bestI've ever felt in my life.
I feel safe, I feel tingly,warm, I feel like I'm being held
by God.
What I didn't know was they'reinjecting me with morphine.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Oh, wow, so they were giving you pain meds, and they
didn't even tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They told me afterwards.
I was like what was?
What was that?
They're like we gave you somepain medication, some morphine.
You'll be right.
As soon as they said that, assoon as I knew what that was, I
was sold.
The seed was planted for life.
I didn't seek it out right away, but I always remembered that I
didn't really.
I was 15 years old, I didn'tknow what it was or what was
(21:09):
going down.
I found that again when I foundheroin and I chased it.
So I couldn't chase it anymoreand the best highs I ever had
were on the edge of death.
It's right where you're notdead, not dead, but you're.
You're not really alive, you'rejust kind of in that phantom
(21:31):
nod.
You're in that.
You're like right on the righton the river boat, at the edge
of death, just so likeunconscious yeah, not even
unconscious, because you don'tknow when you're nodding.
The worst thing I ever seen wasa video of me nodding.
I was like that's me.
What hell of a little out hereyeah but um yeah.
(21:53):
So I chased that a long time,died, I was revived, I remember,
uh, they dropped my body off inthe corner of piner and marlo
and I died in some trap house.
And as soon as I, I happen tohave a shot on my property.
So as soon as they revived mewith the Narcan and I'm like I
gotta get through this wall, Igot to get through this Narcan
(22:14):
wall and so I did a shot in thelobby at the hospital.
The nurse that helped revive mecame in.
Like what are you doing?
I'm like, get out.
Oh, wow so, yeah, it's the lasttime that that happened.
Um, I was in jail for, I think,four months and I got out and I
said I'm not gonna do thisanymore, I'm just gonna drink.
(22:36):
I made a promise to myself andso I'm just drinking tall cans
every day.
And I was in the rightopportunity, the right spot and
the girl I was with.
Um, I didn't have to talk herinto it too much and she made me
like a water watered down shotof what we call red rock out
here, which is, um, it'sfentanyl okay was it was like a
(22:59):
heroin, fentanyl, that's all.
So she made it, made me watereddown shot.
I shot the little bit and I waslike there's that magic feeling
.
This time I'm probably notcoming back.
I came out of it.
I noticed there at the end ofthe garage and they had left my
needle there with a full cap andI pulled back the syringe all
the way and then I shot myselfup and I supposedly and I don't
(23:21):
remember this, this, but I diedfor about 10 to 15 minutes.
Uh, luckily, the girl there hada couple of narcans on her.
She narcan me once, I didn'tcome back.
She narcan me again.
I didn't come back and then shestarted doing chest
compressions and I came back.
(23:42):
Oh, wow, that was a big wake-upcall.
It wasn't like I had a neardeath experience or anything
like that, but in my I don'tknow how to explain it it was
like I kind of I was on intothat void.
I was at the threshold where Iwas like, damn, what did I do I?
(24:02):
I, I messed up.
I knew I would mess up.
Eventually, like I was kind oflike out of body.
I can't really explain it inwords, but I knew I had gone
into that darkness and if I diedlike that, I'm not so sure
where I'd be going, and so thatwas kind of spooky and it really
(24:23):
had my gears turning.
It really made me think, damn,gonna go back out.
She offered, she offered mesome.
Right after that, couple hoursafter that, I'm like you know
what?
I'm gonna go home wait, I waswaiting.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The woman who revived you offered you another hit of
the drugs that nearly killed you, and you were yeah, hours later
.
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And so I was like you know what, I want to go home
and I don't know, maybe we'll go, because I was supposed to turn
myself in to go to rehab forsix months, but I would have to
go to jail for a couple monthsand wait for a bed, and so I'm
like I'm not doing that.
You know, I'm used to havingwarrants and running and stuff
like that, and so I'm just gonnago home for a minute, rest up
(25:12):
and then hit the streets again.
So I go to my parents house.
My daughters are there at two,three daughters, but my two
daughters were there.
I forget how old they were atabout probably about five and
seven, I would imagine.
Yeah, probably about five andseven years old.
My baby's mom was up fromColorado staying up here, and
they all went to bed.
(25:33):
I'm at the house and the girl'shitting me off the chain and I'm
just like I think I'm going togo back out.
And then I'm like, damn, if Igo back out, I feel like I'm
really going to die this time.
Is it worth it?
I don't know.
I'm like, damn, if I go backout, I feel like I'm really
going to die this time.
Is it worth it.
I don't know.
I'm going back and forth, backand forth.
I'm like, well, I have theopportunity to turn myself in
tomorrow.
What am I going to do?
I don't know what I'm going todo.
Well, I'm going to go back out,but I'm going to do one last
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human thing.
So I decided to sit in my dad'schair and watch a movie.
There's a new movie out I thinkit was Joker with Joaquin
Phoenix, and I used to likemovies.
That was the last human part ofme.
I liked to watch movies everynow and then because I was so
out of it from drugs.
I sat there and I'm watchingthis movie and I'm decided you
(26:20):
know, I'm gonna go back out andsomething, something eerie
started happening.
Um, I'm watching the screen andI'm thinking did I bring
something back with me from thedarkness?
Which sounds crazy, right?
And all of a sudden I'm sittingin a chair and I'm paralyzed.
(26:43):
I can't move.
I'm trying to will myself up,to move, and I don't know if
you've ever had a terror bynight or paralysis.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's basically a demonic attack.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Mm-hmm, it's basically a demonic attack.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And so I can't move.
I'm trying to wheel myself upand something tells me I hear
audibly that we bite on the waydown.
And as soon as it said this,something put its hand over my
left eye and it took it back.
And then something pinched meon my right elbow.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was hella spooky.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I got up.
I got up, I started prayingincessantly the Lord Jesus and
God helped me call a hedge ofprotection, call Michael the
archangel to defend me in battle.
And it went away and then sonot audibly.
(27:46):
But God told me go into theroom.
And I went into the room and Iseen my daughters there sleeping
and I'm thinking what have Ibeen doing, dude?
Look at these little angels.
What am I doing?
Yes, and so I turned myself inthe next day and that was my
last overdose.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's so amazing, you know, just even like
everything down to you, know youfeeling the need to pray and
calling on the name you knowJesus, and that is so that's so
amazing With that, you know.
I know you said that yourdaughters were in the next room.
(28:27):
I was just going to ask youthat too.
Like, how do you think, likewhat was the effect on your kids
?
You know you said they wereyounger, yeah, yeah.
So like, how was thatrelationship?
You know, during that time whenyou were experiencing your
worst part of addiction, so I,um I was very good at hiding my
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addiction.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
At least, I thought I was good at hiding it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Since they were babies.
I babies, I was in their life,but you know I wasn't really
there okay just like today.
I woke up.
I felt everything.
I felt the sun on my face, Ifelt connected with all things
around me.
Then I wasn't connected.
You know what I mean yeah, goahead.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm sorry no no, I was just gonna say um, um, I
completely under, can relate onthe on the opposite side of like
, being a child who, you know,had two parents who struggled
with addiction majority of mychildhood.
Um, so you know, I know thatconnection, that void of having
(29:41):
a relationship and having thatconnection with my parents, but,
you know, not trulyunderstanding it because you're
just a kid.
But I do remember and I canrecall the feeling of, like, you
know, searching for the value,like do my parents love me?
Or, you know, do they careabout me?
Like, you know, really, just asa kid, just really confused
(30:04):
because you see other kids intheir relationships with their
parents and you're not purposelycomparing them.
But as a kid, that's where yourmind goes.
You're like, oh, wow, well, whyisn't my dad showing up for
this?
Or why isn't my mom here forthis?
You know, I was moved around alot and I was raised for a nice
chunk of my childhood by mygrandmother, so both my parents
(30:26):
were really absentee to theiraddiction.
But you know, as now I'm anadult and I have a more
understanding and I'm able togive them grace, but I do
remember, you know, feeling likethat and I think that that's
really what was the determiningfactor for me, because I grew up
(30:47):
in a generation where thatbecame cool.
You know popping pills andgetting high.
And I have, you know, usedmarijuana and I started smoking
at a young age.
But I was always like, oh, it'sjust weed is you know, it's no
problem.
But even you know, like you say, you know, just even being
(31:08):
careful of, like who you'resmoking with or watching them
roll.
But I used to always say like Idon't never want to feel like I
need this or I have to havethis, because I seen what that
did to my parents and I've seenwhat they were willing to
sacrifice and what they missedout on by choosing you know that
or by having that struggle ifit exists, it's going to
(31:44):
transmute or transcend to theperson that's close enough, um
to you.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Whether that's neglect, um, whether that's um
addiction itself transferringit's, it happens in the family
system, just like that.
I come from you know parentsthat definitely drank and used
and, um, I love my parents.
Now we have a greatrelationship, but it wasn't.
I didn't have the safestchildhood right, yeah and um
(32:11):
when I remember just uh,experiencing alcohol for the
first time like, oh my god, I'msafe yeah.
I'm safe now and this is my.
This is my new best friendright so um with with my oldest
daughter.
She's 25 um she's fightingaddiction right now, so I tried
(32:36):
to show up and be consistent.
I did, and then I tried to showup as a counselor, and then I
tried to just show up as afriend again, and then I just
started showing up as a father.
So what hat do I gotta wear todefeat this thing?
You know you feel so helplessas a parent.
You know it's probably ashelpless as she felt as my
(32:58):
daughter, and so now that hastransferred from my daughter to
the mother of that child, itjust hit me up.
Sure, it's her choice, but it'sso.
This disease is so cunning,powerful and baffling you can't
wrap your mind around it.
No for sure, powerful andbaffling, you can't wrap your
(33:22):
mind around it.
No, and I go to school.
Yeah, I do this, you know, 40hours a week and I go to school
for it, to learn it, and uh, itis.
It's just so confusing.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's a good fight to be in, but man yeah, no, and you
know that's so important and Iappreciate you sharing that and
being open about that because itis, it truly is um a disease
and it is.
It does affect more peoplearound you.
(33:52):
Uh, maybe you know, if notdirectly, indirectly, whether
they see it, they hear it orwhatever.
You know what I'm saying.
It.
Just you never get to choosehow it affects you later, who it
affects around you andbiopsychosocial.
That would be the social partyes, so true and um so I
(34:13):
appreciate you opening up andbeing open about that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And you know with you what you're doing with your,
what your platform is.
I think amazing Telling storiesfor these families, sharing
their stories, giving them avoice.
I know that it's not easy forthem.
And then even you having to putthat out there, like you said,
(34:41):
even with the two-year-old, likethat is so heartbreaking A
two-year-old getting a hold ofsuch a deadly, you know, drug.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, rest in peace, nevaeh Wallace yes, rest in
peace.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like that's insane.
So like what pivoted you?
Like what started that whereyou started your pages and you
started to want to put otherstories out there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, being a survivor of the opioid crisis,
it only made sense to meyanhughes, donald harvey, timon
nicholson, casey, calder, noahgarcia, the list goes on and on.
Um.
It's pretty bad out here insonoma county too.
I started doing um events outhere to try to highlight the
(35:56):
fentanyl epidemic that's goingon not just in Sonoma County but
you know, san Francisco thetenderloin.
It's a damn war zone out thereright now.
Um so through a couple of eventsfor the homeless situation out
here and then realized, you know, this is good, we're helping
(36:17):
the homeless, but what are wedoing for them besides feeding
them, right?
So we did this event calledsummer aid, um, with impact
foundation, and, uh, we fed thehomeless, but we also got them
clothes and hygiene and haircutsand you know, you know clothes.
(36:37):
And then also, when they leftthey there was a booth set up.
If you're a veteran, we got abooth for you.
You want a covid shot?
We got a covid shot.
You want to get into rehab?
We have a booth set up for that.
And I thought, hey, we'rereally doing something with this
.
So started throwing more eventslike that and then went on a
social media platform, learnedthe uh, you know the intricacies
(36:59):
of social media through tiktokand facebook and instagram, and
just started putting it outthere, putting the awareness out
there, and literally reachedtens of millions of people.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's crazy no, for sure, I was gonna say, um, you
know, I think you have like over300,000 followers on Instagram
and.
I'm not sure how many on TikTok,but yeah, like that is, that's
so great, like the fact that oneyou were, you were once going
through the same struggle, thesame struggle you even
(37:41):
experience, you know, near deathand then being we, you know,
re-evaluating your life andbeing able to give, get, get a
second chance and taking thatsecond chance to make a
difference and to give back andgive a platform to others is
amazing.
That's truly what it takes tobe chosen and faithful to what
the Lord is calling you to do togive back.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
All praise to the Lord, all praise to Jesus Christ
on that one.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Amen.
Amen to that.
I think that is so amazing.
Truly, that's what happened.
I stumbled upon your page and Iseen these stories and I was
like, wow, I didn't even know itwas that bad, because if it's
not directly affecting you, youdon't know.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
it affects your city, your community, your state,
your state, your country, you itaffects you.
It's only a matter of timebefore it comes around and
affects you.
So, I monitor what's said onthe page as much as I can.
I understand there's a lot ofnegativity and a lot of people
(38:55):
going against what I'm trying todo, but I can't stop what I'm
trying to do, but I can't stop,won't stop.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
so yeah, and that's you know.
That's expected.
You know, whenever you're doingwhat the lord has chosen you to
do, what the enemy is going todo is come and try to steal,
kill and destroy that yourpurpose.
You know absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I don't take it personally Most of these people.
It's a cry for help.
When it comes down to it, it'sbecause Defense always confirms
accusation Right.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Correct, yeah, true.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Most of these people are.
Either they have wounds that wecan't see, or it hasn't came
around to them yet, and it will.
Whatever doesn't come out inthe wash comes out in the rinse,
am I right?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, that's so true and it's so sad that you know
people would rather be used inthat manner.
You know being negative whenwe're talking about lives that
are lost.
Two year olds, 10 year olds, 13year olds these are kids who
are innocent, who don't evenknow the dangers.
They don't know Maybe theynever stumbled upon your page.
(40:03):
Maybe those who do stumble uponyour page, they will rethink and
reconsider.
Do I want to go smoke thisjoint with Joe Smoe after school
?
Maybe not, because, hey, it mayhave it.
It may not have any fit and allin it, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I believe that.
I believe that, because peoplehave commented on that you see
them tagging their kids in it Um, pay attention to this and uh,
it's that.
That absolutely outweighs anykind of negative negativity that
I'm coming across or any kindof hate.
That's fine, I'll take that.
You know, it's water off aduck's back.
I don't take it personally.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
For sure.
I mean it sucks.
You know I have a five-year-oldand a 12-year-old and I'm
already having to haveconversations with my
12-year-old about you know.
He's just now starting to takeTylenol and ibuprofen, so I have
to tell him you don't take itfrom nobody but me.
And that sucks you know thatsucks Because he's like well I'm
(41:00):
.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's a whole different world.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, and he doesn't understand that.
And it's sad that I have tobreak it down to him like that
and almost be like, yeah, youcan't trust anybody, you know,
because there's kids that mayreally think they're giving you
a title.
No, hey, they don't.
They're giving you a title.
No, hey, they don't.
They don't know what theirparents may have.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You see kids nowadays on the news taking what they
think are gummies to school andthey're filled with thc or
whatever you know we even we hada taste with those too, with,
uh, I think it was a delta 9gummy someone had, I don't know,
somehow got contaminated andthen, uh, someone had died off
that wow see it's wild, right,because I don't want to be a
(41:43):
fear monger and I absolutelybelieve in harm reduction, and
but it's just not that worldanymore.
You, you, literally in the worldI grew up in, did I experiment?
Hell yeah, I experimented, butwe didn't have to worry about
being buried at 12, 13 years oldfrom going out and doing a line
of coke or something like that.
Like it's, it's different.
(42:03):
The trajectory has changed.
You will die.
Don't trust anything.
Literally, you have to beabstinent.
If you're gonna smoke weed,grow it yourself.
Grow it yourself or Grow ityourself, or go to a club, and
that's not even that safe.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
When you say club, do you mean like the dispensaries?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, go to the dispensaries.
But I can't even say that's100% safe.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
That's scary.
Yeah, like you said, it's justbringing that awareness, giving
people the knowledge, becauseit's truly just ignorance.
You know, it just comes fromnot knowing and, like you said,
what used to just be a smokesession after school could
(42:53):
easily turn into somebody beinglaced and losing their life and
kids.
They get scared, they just theydon't know how to react in that
moment.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
They don't they may not have kids or narcan around.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
They probably don't even know what narcan is, so
they're probably just, you know,running off and maybe leaving
their friend.
They're not knowing thatthey're dying, they're just like
oh, maybe they're having a badreaction or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You never every, every, every american should
have narcan readily available.
Um, the government should makethis a thing.
You're like, everybody shouldhave dark and readily available.
Have one off on them at alltimes.
The way it is, fentanyl teststrips should not be illegal.
That's insane.
Um, I'm pretty sure they're.
(43:42):
They're illegal in most statesin in america.
It's crazy, um, and now you gotxylosine to worry about.
So this is narcan resistant.
It's called uh, what is it?
Trank?
They call it trank, which isshowing up everywhere now and
then.
So people are odian.
And then you go to narcan themand nothing.
It's narcan resistant becauseit's a, it's an animal
(44:04):
tranquilizer oh wow.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
So what is exactly is narcan?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
narcan is a blocker and it's basically a blocker.
It's an antagonist.
So the opioids go into thereceptor and it's so much
neurotransmission that it startsto mess with the central
nervous system, which makessomeone stop breathing and they
die when they get hit withNarcan.
(44:43):
That blocker is so strong itgoes into the receptor and binds
to the receptor and kicks theopioid out.
Oh, so it kind of reverses theeffect.
Yeah, it's like a polysynapticeffect.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh wow.
And is it free?
Could you get it for free fromplaces?
Or you have to pay for it.
Where would you buy this from?
Where would someone who whoneeds this?
Where would they be able tofind?
Is this something you buy overthe counter?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
yeah, if you're, you can buy them over the counter at
like cvs, rite aid, or you cango to like for here we have a
place called face to face, butthey'll only give you so many,
so you can.
You can get them in aprescription store, unprescribed
and um.
I think it's like 40, 50dollars for one.
(45:27):
But if you're um, if you're anon-profit with a 501 c3, you
can literally get like crates ofthis stuff shipped to you.
Uh, if you go through nextdistro I think it's next you can
literally get crates of thisstuff shipped to you.
You go through Next Distrocomwhere it's Narcan distribution.
Just literally Google Narcandistribution in my county so
(45:50):
many people hit me up about this.
I'm like where are you fromNevada?
You just literally GoogleNevada, free Narcan.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Very simple to do got you okay, yeah, yeah, that
that's definitely important, andI, you know, for people to know
, especially, like I said, evenfor these younger kids who still
might want to explore and, youknow, do those things.
It's like at least try.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I would never encourage anyone to do that, but
like, at least be proactive andbe knowledgeable, and you know
everybody, listen, everybodyneeds to talk to their kids
about fentanyl and trust me,trust and believe, if you you
have a teenager, you're notgoing to have a freaking camera
(46:41):
on them at all times.
Dude people want to blame theparents.
Nah, listen, they got.
They got availability, they gotsupply.
All they need is a lifestressor, and they're definitely
going to experiment with drugs.
It doesn't matter if theirfriend just died, they're going
to.
So that's a reality we need toaccept, and we need to accept
(47:02):
that this is an internal problemin the United States.
We want to blame Mexico, wewant to blame China?
Listen, we can clean up thisshit right here in our backyard.
With enough awareness, we coulddo that.
This is a problem that startedhere with the opioid epidemic
(47:24):
from the OxyContin started bythe Sacklers.
In the early 90s, you had these, and this is all from greed.
These people sent these medicalcompanies or, I'm sorry,
pharmaceutical companies out tothese rural pockets all
throughout the Midwest in NorthAmerica, and they finessed these
(47:45):
doctors.
They gave me, gave themincentives to push this
painkiller on to America.
So what you're seeing right now, though, is the fallout.
You're seeing the grandchildrenif not great grandchildren of
this 90s epidemic oh, wow it wow.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
It's Purdue responsible for all these deaths
.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, you're teaching me something here and that's
why I wanted to have you on.
I just felt that you know thatI would be able to learn
something, but that also I wouldbe able to, you know, offer,
you know, this knowledge to ourlisteners, because it is very
important and I feel like it'snot talked about enough, in a
sense of like what we can do tofix it.
(48:35):
We talk about the impact thatis having, the effect that is
having on people in ourcommunities, but we're not,
we're not talking enough aboutwhat we can do to fix it, what
we can do to make change.
You know and where it did startand you know, giving people a
more of an understanding, sothat we're not just sitting
around passing judgment andsaying shoulda, coulda, woulda,
(48:58):
or it couldn't be me, wouldn'tbe me, those types of things.
When you have the knowledge,you have the background, you
have someone who's like hey,I've been there.
That gives you a differentunderstanding, it gives you a
different compassion, it givesyou a different drive to try to
make change.
You know, and I think that's soimportant.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I wouldn't take a day back.
I don't have any regrets.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I appreciate that you agreed to come on and speak
with us and give us those gemsand those tips, because you know
, like you said, I felt sotouched when I had reached out
to you and you said you will bewilling to come on.
But not only that you werewilling to come on, but that you
prayed about it and that youyou got confirmation to do so,
and that just also gave meconfirmation that this is what
(49:45):
we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to providewhatever you know, support and
whatever knowledge that we canto those who are who will listen
yeah, the, uh, the shebopodcast.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
I don't know if I'm saying that right yeah, shebo
crew, yep anointed by god, man.
I'm telling you, I appreciatetelling you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I appreciate that so much.
We appreciate that so much.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Chosen ones right here.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thank you so much.
We appreciate it and we lovethat.
You know anyone who comes ontothe podcast.
We pray that you do feel youknow called to do so, because
there is a bigger purpose and wejust want to connect and be a
support to you as well.
What you're doing is nothingshort of amazing and you deserve
(50:30):
, you know, recognition for that.
No for sure.
Like that's so true, like Ican't imagine going through what
you've gone through and comingout and saying, hey, not only am
I going to change my life, butI'm going to try to change and
save as many lives as I can,because you know, it's some
people.
They'll go through things andthey'll come out of them.
The Lord will bring them out ofit and they will just go on
(50:51):
about their life and be thankfulfor that.
And that's okay too.
Everybody's not meant to be orcalled to be, chosen to be, you
know, an anointed person to gosave others.
But you, you said no, I'm notgoing to just save myself to go
save others, but you, you saidno, I'm not going to just save
myself.
I was bought back for a reason.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I was given a second, a third chance for a reason and
that and that is important.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
you know, and I just want to encourage you today that
you know, regardless ofwhatever the enemy tries to
throw in your way, whateverroadbloblocks, whatever you know
things he tried to do todestroy, what it is that you set
out to do with every 11 minutes, continue to do that because,
yeah, you're going to have thosespiritual warfares, you're
going to be under attack, butI'll take it.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
I'll take it.
It's worth it.
Listen, I would.
I would much rather chooseadventure over security.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And no one wants to ride up.
No one wants to ride on a flatroller coaster.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
yeah, no let's go and the fight is definitely worth
the reward.
It's so worth the reward and sowe're rooting you on here.
We're supporting you, you know,from the other side of the
world, we're all the way acrossthe world, you know, but we're
supporting you, um, you knowwe're following what it is that
you're doing and you know,hopefully we can connect more
(52:11):
and, you know, be able to be apart of and play a part of, be a
support of the movement thatyou have, because it is such a
big movement and it's soimportant.
It's needed today.
It's needed it really is andlike we always say people gonna
trust somebody who's been there,done that, more than maybe
(52:33):
someone who is just like hey,you know, I want to help you,
you know, but not really beingable to understand where that
person is coming from, you canunderstand firsthand yes, I know
the darkness very well.
Yeah, so for sure, and justbefore you know, I want you to
give your social media handlesand all that information so that
(52:56):
the listeners know how tofollow you, how to follow the
movement and know how to findyou.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, tiktok.
It's at every 11 minutes, justhow it sounds At every 11, two
ones minutes at every 11 minutes.
And then my Instagram IG handleis at every dot, 11 dot minutes
, minutes.
(53:32):
And uh, we just had a facebookget hacked, so I'm trying to
combat that right now, but uh,just put up another facebook, so
it's at, and I don't know whatthose two dots are called an
ellipsis.
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
what is?
Speaker 2 (53:41):
it two dots, like whatever it's ever it's at two
dots, like whatever it's everit's at two dots.
Ellipsis 11 minutes.
Okay, so you told me beforewhat is your?
Uh, what?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
what the hell moment?
Yeah, we didn't get to do thewth moment in the beginning, but
I'm glad you came back to us.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
So, yeah, you have a wth moment you want to share
with us yeah, so I'm not goingto be able to probably reply to
this client, but after I got offthe phone with you I went to
boxing.
I'm on my way back from boxingand I got this email from a past
client.
So I can't say his name becauseit would be a hip violation.
(54:24):
But so yo, jeremy it's.
The name has been stricken fromthe narrative.
Hope all is well with you.
Sorry, I missed seeing you onmy last day at a line.
That's where I work, a linerecovery center's big shout out.
I just want to say that linetotally changed my life and my
experience there was one of thegreatest of my life.
(54:44):
You were such a huge part ofthat.
You're one of the mostinspiring people I've ever met.
You showed me more than anyonethat recovery just isn't
necessary.
But it's beautiful and hellafun.
I'm enjoying life at the SLE.
I'm here.
It's great having blank herecan't say his name.
We're a good.
(55:05):
We're a good duo when it comesto keeping each other
accountable.
My court case is still draggingon, but I'm not stressing about
it.
I'm doing iop mondays,wednesdays and fridays.
I just started last week but Ireally like it so far.
It was kind of a trip, leavinga line after 90 days.
At first I just wanted to beback there because it became my
(55:27):
home, but I'm getting used tolife on the outside and it's
pretty great not to be thinkingabout drinking.
Just wanted to tell you, um, soyou know, all is good and you
played a huge part in trulymaking me believe a sober life
is not only possible, but Idon't miss any of that stuff I
was doing before.
(55:47):
As always, beyond grateful foryou and hope you're having a
good day.
Much love, bro.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's so dope, and that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I wouldn't trade that right there for my best high.
Yeah At all, I wouldn't, Ican't.
That's the real stuff, that'sthe authenticity.
That's the authenticity, thatis the roller coaster, that's
the uh.
You know, I was on a 90-dayjourney with this young man and,
um, man, it's I can't evenexplain it.
(56:18):
It's all these golden momentsand, um, I get to be front row
seat, you know, at the bestmovie in the world, and it's my
life.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Absolutely.
And you're awesome, yeah, andyou're fully awakened and aware
of everything you know.
And I think that is so importantbecause, like we said in the
beginning, you know life is fullof ups and downs, but there's
beauty in all of it and you justhave to really be open to
receive that and then, and ifyou can't find it, you know,
(56:51):
being able to lock in withyourself and take that time to
reflect and have that, thatdivine time to really figure
that out.
But it does take time andeverybody's journey is different
, but that is amazing, that's sobeautiful.
But it does take time andeverybody's journey is different
, but that is amazing, that's sobeautiful and that's how I feel
.
You know, similar to when I getyou know, contacted or inboxes
(57:13):
about the podcast and just themessage that we put out there,
because, though, I love to talkand meet new people and you know
there's beauty in that, butthere's also beauty in being
able to have someone say, hey,like you really made a
difference for me, or hey that'swhat I needed to hear.
You know, when I thought aboutending it all you and your words
of inspiration that changedthat you know.
(57:34):
Just being able to say, youknow, I'm this much closer to
doing what the Lord has me to do.
That's God showing off rightthere.
Yeah, there's nothing that wecould ever do to earn and
deserve the love of God, but wecan always work at it.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
No matter what, we can always work at it, and
that's what it's about, so Ilove that for you, all the
character flaws that I stillhave, and I'm able to be seated
in heaven with God right now aswe're on this podcast.
Yes, how crazy is that amen.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's so beautiful and I'm just so thankful for this
moment.
I'm thankful for you, thank youfor taking the time out and
sharing that information with us, and being open and transparent
is such a beauty and being ableto own you know your journey
and I love that for you.
And, like I said, I hope thatthis is not just a one off.
(58:33):
I hope that we can connect moreand that whenever it is that
you're having events or whatever, though you're in California,
we're here in Ohio, we're just aflight away and, at the end of
the day, we're just a call away.
So it's nothing for us toconnect and and and push that
out there.
You know, and and do and do apodcast or whatever we need to
(58:53):
do to, to to get that supportout there.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I'm with it.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yes, did you want to leave anything else you wanted
to say?
You want to leave with thelisteners before we end today I
just much, much love and respectto everybody out there.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
You know, um, stay woke and choose wisely.
Yes, I don't mean I don't, bythe way, I don't mean be woke.
You know what I mean.
I'm not using that phrase woke.
What I mean is wake up, openyour eyes, look at your, be be
aware of your surroundings,because it's not worth your life
absolutely and then, uh, I'lljust drop this, uh, one of my
(59:36):
favorite verses from the bible,ephesians 6 12, for our struggle
is not against flesh and blood,but against the rulers, against
the authorities, against therulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this darkworld and against the spiritual
forces of evil and heavenlyrealms.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Amen, yes, Well, I appreciate you again and we
thank you so much for havinghere my co-host.
She was so sad she couldn't behere today.
She was ready and amped forthis segment.
So sad she couldn't be heretoday.
She was ready and amped forthis segment, but I know she's
going to love to hear thedelivery.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Like.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I said, this isn't going to be our last time, so
we're excited to see what elseyou do with every 11 minutes and
we're in support of that in anyway that we can help, Don't
hesitate to reach out to us.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
We're locked in now.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
No problem.
Thank you again for taking thetime.
You could have been anywhereelse doing anything else, but
you took the time to speak withus today, so we appreciate that,
and until next time, guys, staybold.
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