May 16, 2025 • 31 mins
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Spring isn’t just a season—it’s a symbol of transformation. As nature reawakens, it reminds us that growth follows darkness. This conversation invites us to explore how our own emergence mirrors these cycles—how dormancy prepares the ground for something new to take root.
Instead of forcing change, spring invites us to ask: what blossoms naturally when we’ve tended the soil of our lives?
We also explore the difference between intention and excuse—how some withdraw to heal, while others disengage in ways that stall both personal and collective growth. The line is thin, but it matters.
Amid personal and global awakenings, one truth rises: we’re shifting from separation and scarcity to interconnection and abundance. Self-care and social responsibility aren’t in conflict—they’re two expressions of the same truth: we rise together.
So…
What energy is rising in you this spring?
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Debbie (00:03):
Well, hello listeners and welcome to the Shiro Cafe.
We are going to have a livelyconversation today about
becoming and blossoming and whatmay be going on right now for
you in your life, because wefind that it's going on for us
in our life.
So, deborah, would you like tokind of share what you were
(00:28):
telling me about?
You know how you're feelingabout this.
It's like it's the spring, it'sthis new, energetic, like I
said, blossoms and stuff.
I remember doing a little talkon my Facebook page and talking
about how I don't make newyear's reservations.
(00:49):
I don't make new year'sresolutions in January because
it's the dead of winter and Idon't feel like I don't know
energy or whatever.
I wait till springtime becausethat's when I feel like I can
get moving and my creativejuices are really flowing and
I'm watching the yellow greencome out of the trees and and
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and.
After it rains and, yes, thepollen too.
I will, I will admit there aswell, right, but I love when
I've planted something like abulb and I see that little tiny
bit of green popping out of theground.
For some reason it just excitesme.
So I want to make moreresolutions, like at that time
(01:36):
and you're talking about thespringtime and how it's um a
time for what Blossoming, Ithink it's, yeah, it's a time
for the emergence of whatever.
Deborah (01:51):
You know, one of the things that I say a lot for my
readers, for my newsletter, foreven clients one thing that I
say a lot is what we're doing iswe're creating the soil for
something to emerge.
So, even in the winter, we'redoing things that the seed is
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beneath the soil Resting, yeah,resting, resting and getting
strength and, you know, drawingin nutrients from the soil that
we've we've created and that wehave put together a nourishing
soil to feed that.
And then when, when the um, when, when spring comes, and all of
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that stuff is just emerging andthere's hope and it's flowing.
And it's so funny one of thethings that I this is the first
time in I don don't know howlong where everything was like
dark and dreary and you know,all of the trees are blaring and
then next thing I turn around,there's all this green, the
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birds are around, and so thatgives me hope about the natural
flow of things.
You know, about how this is agood time for us to to nourish
ourselves so that what is meantto be can emerge and emerge no
matter what.
Who, how, what government, whatwork thing, whatever, what,
(03:21):
what politician is going on andwhat they're doing.
There is still that hope thatthe that uh that emerges in the
spring.
Right now, and I feel likethat's just one of the things
that's going on in my life rightnow.
Debbie (03:34):
I'm feeling that hope with things that are going on in
the world yeah, I, you know,with you know not to get
political, but to get political.
It's like whatever's beenhappening in the United States
is just to me, it's just beenlike an eyebrow raise, like what
the hell?
And there's a shift.
There's just there's an addoesn't mean anybody won yet.
(03:57):
It just means that, maybebecause it is the spring, maybe
because people are waking up,maybe because it has gone far
enough, maybe because everybodywas so freaking stunned.
What do you do?
Right, it's like there wasthere's only so much the one
individual can do if you're notalready belong to some kind of a
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group or community or whatever.
So it's like now my energy isat a point where it's like I
want to be involved in some way.
Right, it may not be what Iwould have done in the past, but
I will do.
What is that I'm going to donow?
For I guess, how do I say?
(04:42):
Where I've evolved to, I'lljust leave it at that, like
wherever where I've evolved to,I'm going to be doing different
things than I did in the past,but I feel good about that.
I feel that that's right for me.
So, um, yeah, whatever it isthat that you want to do.
A person wants to do if theyfeel that that's truly right for
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them.
If they feel that that's trulyright for them, that's fine.
I do wonder, maybe, about somepeople that shut down.
And just what is the?
I'm trying to think of theright phrase.
It's like I remember a longtime ago I was married to a man
(05:25):
who had a sister-in-law who wasvery, very religious and to her,
if she prayed hard enough, godwould take care of her, jesus
would take care of her.
But he got so mad at her onetime and I didn't hear the prior
, previous part of theconversation, but I heard him
(05:45):
yell at her from another roomyou can't sit down at a piano
and pray that God will teach you, but not put your hands on the
keys.
Right, he was trying to to bemore earthly in his example, and
I was like I don't know whatthey're talking about, but that
(06:07):
makes sense to me, right?
And you know, we talked laterabout what it was.
But you know, I, I have to honorif somebody is in a place where
it's like, well, I'm just gonna, you know, remove myself from
everything and maybe just prayor be in meditation.
You know, maybe that does helpand I don't know right, maybe
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that's adding to the vibrationbeing raised, and I just don't
know that.
I mean this is what I, at leastI'm hoping.
I just don't know that I meanthis is what I, at least I'm
hoping, is that, you know, noteverybody saves the whales, not
everybody works in domesticviolence.
People are drawn to certainthings right.
(06:56):
So this is just a thought thatwent through my head about it.
What if a person that doesn'tget involved but does raise
their vibration because theyknow that to get involved means
they're going to go into a lowerenergy vibration for them right
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right now?
I know that when peopleactivate there's a lot of energy
there, but I think it's needed,necessary.
How do you say healthy anger?
Because enough is enough.
Deborah (07:40):
Right, and one of the things that I, one of the things
that well, there's a couple ofthings that you said.
One of the things is thatpeople are waking up, right, and
one of the things that I one ofone of my groups, my weekly
meditation group it's a privategroup that I have she is wanting
(08:13):
to sit over in her house alonebeing love and light.
If it doesn't happen in herbackyard, it's not happening.
Doesn't happen in her backyard,it's not happening.
But the thing that I keptenvisioning myself was you know,
if you're being love and lightand you're not touching anything
, your light is not, uh,contributing to anything in the
(08:35):
world.
Okay so, and I know you think,well, maybe you're raising the,
the vibration level, but ourvibration level is increased by
joining together with otherpeople, right?
Debbie (08:48):
So I'm not going to say no, but maybe she's.
I'm not taking up for her.
I don't know her.
I don't know anything about her.
All I know is that you know wehad a conversation about whether
or not it was I don't know theright word, the right thing to
do, whatever I can't judge.
(09:09):
Right, that's what.
I'm saying I cannot judge, Imean it feels like we're saying
if she's not doing it the way wethink she should do it, then
she's not right?
Deborah (09:18):
No, I'm not saying that I mean it feels like that to me
.
I mean it does.
I'll be honest and say have tobe very intentional about what
is ours to do.
So I may not be the one out inthe street, that I will not be
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the one out in the streetholding the protest sign, feel
like is mine to do is to providethe tools to people so that
they can still thrive, no matterwhat's going on around them.
So there is something for me todo.
(10:17):
It's just not necessarilymilitant or protesting or
anything like that.
I have to choose what is formine to do that aligns with my
values and we were talking aboutvalues, right?
So my values say that I don'tjust take care of myself.
My values are I take care ofmyself, the animals, the planet,
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the universe, my neighborhood,all of that.
That's just one of my corevalues, and so I have to figure
out, no matter where I am, nomatter where the world is, no
matter who's in office, I haveto figure out how I can do that,
and my way of doing that is bycoaching people on self-care.
Debbie (11:02):
Yeah, I mean as one person, coaching many.
You've really contributed a lotVersus, that's it.
I'm taking myself out of thatand going to do something else,
and as one person.
It's like you used the wordearlier.
You said intention and I was.
I wanted to jump in, but youknow I didn't want to be rude.
Deborah (11:24):
You were being polite, I was.
I wanted to jump in, but youknow, I didn't want to be rude.
Debbie (11:25):
You were being polite, I was being polite, but I did not
want to be polite.
I wanted to go.
Wait, stop.
It's such an important word.
So you know, if somebody issitting at home and they're,
I'll use the word excuse forthis particular statement, their
excuse is oh, I'm just going tobe love and light and I'm just
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going to pray or meditate orwhatever.
If that is what's happening,they're using that as an excuse
not to get involved in any kindof way.
You know, my little bit ofjudgment is that's that's not a
very good intention to have.
It seems like that's an excuseto have to withhold what I could
(12:07):
be doing, um, versus like I'mlike you.
Uh, unfortunately, here it wastorrential rains, we had a
horrible storm and I don't Ididn't go out in it, um, but
there's a lot of times where Iwant to go do it and I feel
pulled back.
I feel pulled back, like, likeI start shutting down and I
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don't want to use that as anexcuse, but I have to look at
that and go.
What is that?
What's going on with me?
Deborah (12:40):
that I shut down.
Debbie (12:42):
But I want to do something.
What can I do?
So I have to look at what is mysituation and what can I do,
and everybody's going to have adifferent situation.
Everybody may have a differentthing that they could do behind
um like.
Uh, some of the groups that I'm, you know, watching really grow
(13:08):
and the movement and energybehind them is just fabulous.
I'm so proud of some of theseyoung women.
They're like in their 30s andthey are kicking butt right I
love that there's a new we'retalking about spring, but I
think it's even bigger than thatthat there's this new awakening
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that's happening, where so manypeople are saying I've had
enough, I've had enough, and Ikeep going.
How do I get?
How do I say it in a way whereit's like more specific?
And I asked somebody I'm like,um, are you wanting to be power
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over it's?
The answer was no and I said so.
Is it that you don't really wantsomething from this other
person?
You just want them to stopwanting from to take your stuff,
basically, and it was like, yes, and it's like I get that I.
I get that like wholeheartedly,I don't want anybody taking my
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stuff.
I don't want other people'sstuff, but I don't want anybody
taking mine, right?
You know like for me, fairnessis a huge value and you know,
when people aren't fair think ofI don't know, like the bully on
the playground or whatever, andthey're just trying to take it
doesn't belong to you.
Or like somebody robs yourhouse it's like who do you think
(14:37):
you are?
You don't get to do that, right.
So, but in their mind, forwhatever reason, yes, they do,
they do right.
So, but this awakening that'shappening, I just, I'm so
excited to finally see it sixand a half decades in cha-ching
like, let's go right.
I'm, I'm pleased because I Ilived enough in my life where I
(15:02):
felt there was a lot taken awayfrom me.
Maybe that's an inaccurate wayto describe it, maybe I allowed
it and didn't realize it, but Iknow that, seeing now the energy
that's out there, I have a lotof respect for it and I'm like
good, it's about time.
Deborah (15:20):
It's about time there needs to be a huge shift in old
paradigm thinking and moving tonew paradigm thinking, and I
think that a lot of this pain,this chaos, this, you know,
whatever you want to call it isis like growing pains we have to
go through the process.
(15:42):
The seed has to push throughthe soil before it can emerge
and bloom.
So one of the things I'mhearing from what you say is
like okay, I don't want anybodyto take my stuff, I don't want
anybody to be unfair to me, butwhat I see emerging more and
more is people having anawareness that if you're unfair
(16:04):
to that sunflower over there,you're being unfair to this rose
that I am.
So if you're unfair over there,then that is on that.
I see that as unfair to me aswell.
So we are not separate anymore.
We are all one humanity, andyou know.
(16:24):
And so what you do to the leastof this I think that's a Bible
for it what you do to the leastof us, you do to me, and I see
that more and more.
Debbie (16:34):
I have a visual.
A visual I was like how, howcan, how can we look at
something and and something onthe earth that makes sense,
right, and I don't know whatthese little things are called,
but they fall off of a tree andthey're round, but they've got
all these spikes coming out ofthem.
Deborah (16:51):
It's like that tree's seed and again, I don't know
what this thing is I have a tonof them in my backyard and the
name of it isn't coming up.
Debbie (17:00):
Okay, so you know what I'm talking about.
Deborah (17:02):
Yeah.
Debbie (17:07):
And it's like sweet gum, sweet gum.
Okay, yeah, I'm gonna trust youbecause I uh, you know, I'm
sure you're right, but if youlook at these sweet gum, what
are those?
Are they nuts?
Are they the the like an acorn?
Is the the seed that falls fromthe oak tree?
Deborah (17:21):
I think so or something like that.
They're sweet gum balls andthey're horrible to get rid of.
Debbie (17:26):
But anyway, I don't know but they're like there's just
chock full of spikes, right if aspike is an individual, but
they're still connected to thehole which is the, the ball in
the middle, and then there'sanother spike that comes out.
They're not recognizing that atthe base they're both connected
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to the same thing.
So, we do see ourselves asseparate because we were raised
in an atmosphere I'm going tocall it the old paradigm which
enforced you can't figure thingsout on your own, you need help
from these other people or thisother person, and you just can't
do it on your own.
I couldn't do it on my own,you're not going to be able to
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do it on your own.
But now there's this newparadigm that it's like it's not
me, it's we right and it justit feels it's see to me.
That naturally feels betterthan whatever it was.
I was taught Like what?
The things that I was taughtalways caused me to cock my head
(18:36):
Like what?
Like?
It never sat well, but I waschallenged with something's
wrong with you, deb.
You need to think this otherway, and for 50, you know, five
decades plus, I tried to forcemyself to think that way because
I wanted to belong.
(18:58):
Right, I wanted to belong.
But life things happen, youknow, moving or whatever and I
was in a situation where itoccurred to me none of that is
comfortable to me.
I'm going to have to find whatis comfortable to me and be true
to myself.
Using more self-love andself-care, I started meeting
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more people that did that andthat that conversation I would
have with that person would feelmore clean and more natural
than any conversation I'd hadwith in my life, with family
members.
I'm not saying I never metanyone like that, you know, in
my past, but it was rare becauseI had surrounded myself with
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what my family was doing andwanting to be part of that.
I mean, who doesn't want to bepart of their?
family, we all do right, and sothere was this very strong draw.
I've also felt the challenge ofwhat it's like to sort of
estrange myself by choice and itseems like, whether I try to
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belong or I try to stay away,I'm just a good person to talk
about.
They're just like, if I try tobelong, it's.
It's like a little bit of apushback, like we don't really
like you very much.
You know they push back, andthen if I don't try to belong,
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then it's like, well, what iswrong with her?
Like, doesn't she understandshe should try?
Like, and it's just so bizarre.
But watching it has justcreated a allowing like.
I don't need to justify itanymore.
There's that allowing more wewere talking early about like
just being right, right am Ireally?
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And, um, just really beingpresent with who I am and
allowing them to talk about.
You know that song.
Let's give them something totalk about.
Let's give them something totalk about.
Yeah, I love it.
I can do or not do.
It doesn't matter.
I feel like they talk about meanyway, Right, and it's OK.
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It's like it's just okay now.
I suppose it's like I haveother family, family of my
choice.
Deborah (21:33):
But here's what I'm thinking.
When we're talking about thatfamily of your choice, I think
we've gotten away from a littlebit about what we were
originally talking about.
But when we're talking about thefamily of the choice, I would
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like for us to get to a place inthe world where we don't have
to make those choices where wecan just be, where this person
over here thinks I should blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and you can think what you want.
You know, I, I, it's just notgoing to.
And one of the things, one ofthe um, one of the um realms for
the be present.
(22:14):
I talked to you a lot aboutthat.
For the model is to live yourlife outside the distress of
oppression.
So it oppresses me if I amworried about what this person
is thinking or what this personthinks about me, or I'm not
connecting with this person.
And if I live outside thedistress of oppression, then I'm
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just connecting with thosepeople that allow me to be
present and to be free in themoment, and so that creates a
world.
For I mean, and let's just moveit out, move it out, move it
out.
And so that creates a world,for I mean, and let's just move
it out, move it out, move it out, move it out, move it out, move
it out.
That creates a different worldthan someone who spends their
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time looking around and wantingto oppress everyone or wanting
to struggle with everyone tobring them to their way of being
, way of understanding, way oflife.
That just creates a totallydifferent life than just being.
Debbie (23:16):
Yeah, and I didn't have that language that you just used
and I was describing, I guess,this part of my life, but that
really is exactly to me what Iwas saying.
Okay, it's living under theiroppression, right, trying to get
me to be a way they wanted,where the comfort for me was to
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be outside of that and exactlywith people like you, like me,
like probably all the audiencethat's listening, who is more
comfortable being with I'm goingto call it light seekers people
who are looking for a higherlevel of vibration, having more
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love in their life, not just forthemselves, but for others.
And sometimes love shows up asanger, right Some things going
on right now.
It's like I love myself, mychildren, my fellow sisters and
brothers enough to be angry.
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Stand up against thisoppression.
Deborah (24:31):
Right, oh man, that is absolutely true, you know,
because love can exist in avacuum.
What am I trying to say?
I have it in my mind Love canexist in a vacuum, but love
cannot be in action in a vacuumso okay, let's unpack that.
Debbie (24:55):
Let's unpack that.
Deborah (24:56):
Okay, can exist okay, so you can be sitting in your
room.
Ah, okay, being all love andlight and I am love, I am the
universe, I am love and you canbe.
But being love and light inyour little room is no action.
(25:17):
It doesn't, it is not love ofloving right, it's not the act
of loving, it is being love, andso it.
It's two different things, andyou choose.
Debbie (25:30):
Maybe that's self-love, it's like, I don't know, like in
the, in the world I live in,the, the, the um tools, that I
teach, the skills and everythingit's.
We use the words love in action, right, are you being love in
action?
Right, are you being love inaction?
(25:53):
And I'm going to I'm stillgoing to go back to the
individual.
You called it in a vacuum.
I think I have been in asituation where I was just so
unavailable that the only love Ihad at that time we're talking
some years ago, but at the timethe only love I had was
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essentially being loved tomyself, and I'll just also call
it licking my wounds, like I hadto heal me.
Right, I had to heal me.
I, I, I, I remember I did nothave a plant in my house none,
zero plants, not out.
There was stuff outside, but Ididn't water it, I didn't take
care of it, I didn't cut it, Ididn't try nothing.
I had nothing like nothing, nobandwidth for anything but
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healing myself.
And I, I think I would havesaid those words like I'm just
going to be here and be withmyself, uh, isolating, right.
I don't think that I would havebeen now.
I wasn't using it as an excuse,and I think that's the thing we
went.
We talked about intention.
Is it like I just don't want toget involved, just don't want
to get involved, I don't want toget involved in all this stuff?
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So we use it as an excuse andversus um, I don't know.
I just for me personally.
I know what I went through.
So if there's another persongoing through what I went
through, I want to understandand I want to allow and I'm
hoping that that brings them toa place where heal yourself and
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then go out and make adifference.
Deborah (27:35):
Right, and that's that's really what you and I
both do as coaches Right, and?
And one of the reasons why weare called to do that is because
we've been there yes, Right,and so one of the things that I
do, or that we both do, is wefind those people that are in
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that state and help them heal sothat they can open up to their,
to their wellness and to theiryou know, their radical
self-care.
I call it so that they can stepoutside of themselves to live
the life that they want, and Iknow that sounds cliche, but
that's what I found that I needwhere I need to take my love and
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my action not at the picketline, not at the rally, not at
the march by taking those peoplethat are hurting and helping
them to heal.
Debbie (28:27):
That is a very, very important thing to do and great
admiration to all of I'll say us, who I mean, of course, not
disparaging anybody else, butright now, because of this old
paradigm, which is bullshit, wewe need whatever we call I mean
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the the self-love, self care,how to make a difference in your
life type coaches that aregoing to help people move
through the junk that wasdownloaded into us throughout
our lives.
Right, it is, it's time for theshift, it's time for the change
.
It's happening may continue tohappen because it's not a done
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deal right and we, just we.
The world, the earth needs toheal, right earth needs to heal.
And there is, I feel, somethingI don't.
I don't know about anybody else, but I feel an energy that I
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don't think I've really feltbefore, that I'm like really
consciously aware of it.
Deborah (29:46):
So spring is strong, so spring is strong, baby.
Debbie (29:49):
Spring is strong.
I'm wondering about ouraudience.
Are you guys feeling it Like?
Do you genuinely feel somethingswirling around?
Maybe you can't articulate it,Maybe you can.
I'd love to hear about it.
I would love to hear what isgoing on in your life, your
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world, that you can say yes, I'mexperiencing that as well.
Deborah (30:15):
And we invite you to comment below, letting us know
exactly what you feel and we'llrespond.
We may even have a whole newconversation about it, because
we love to hear about what yourthoughts are on some of these
conversations that we're having.
Debbie (30:35):
Absolutely.
We're more than willing toanswer questions, so feel free
to put those in there, all right, as we're wrapping up.
We ready, yeah, all right.
Well, I, you know.
I just want to tell you guys,thank you so much for being here
.
We thank you for the loves, thelikes, and we love your
comments.
We love when you ask questions,you're.
Those are very special andprecious to us and we really
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appreciate them.
So please feel free to continueto do that.
Deborah (31:03):
And, as always, we invite you to love and care for
the Shiro in you.
I hate that I can't get withyou.
Debbie (31:13):
I don't want to.
Bye everybody.
We'll see you next time.
Bye.
Well, hello listeners and welcome to the Shiro Cafe.
We are going to have a livelyconversation today about
becoming and blossoming and whatmay be going on right now for
you in your life, because wefind that it's going on for us
in our life.
So, deborah, would you like tokind of share what you were
(00:28):
telling me about?
You know how you're feelingabout this.
It's like it's the spring, it'sthis new, energetic, like I
said, blossoms and stuff.
I remember doing a little talkon my Facebook page and talking
about how I don't make newyear's reservations.
(00:49):
I don't make new year'sresolutions in January because
it's the dead of winter and Idon't feel like I don't know
energy or whatever.
I wait till springtime becausethat's when I feel like I can
get moving and my creativejuices are really flowing and
I'm watching the yellow greencome out of the trees and and
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and.
After it rains and, yes, thepollen too.
I will, I will admit there aswell, right, but I love when
I've planted something like abulb and I see that little tiny
bit of green popping out of theground.
For some reason it just excitesme.
So I want to make moreresolutions, like at that time
(01:36):
and you're talking about thespringtime and how it's um a
time for what Blossoming, Ithink it's, yeah, it's a time
for the emergence of whatever.
Deborah (01:51):
You know, one of the things that I say a lot for my
readers, for my newsletter, foreven clients one thing that I
say a lot is what we're doing iswe're creating the soil for
something to emerge.
So, even in the winter, we'redoing things that the seed is
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beneath the soil Resting, yeah,resting, resting and getting
strength and, you know, drawingin nutrients from the soil that
we've we've created and that wehave put together a nourishing
soil to feed that.
And then when, when the um, when, when spring comes, and all of
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that stuff is just emerging andthere's hope and it's flowing.
And it's so funny one of thethings that I this is the first
time in I don don't know howlong where everything was like
dark and dreary and you know,all of the trees are blaring and
then next thing I turn around,there's all this green, the
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birds are around, and so thatgives me hope about the natural
flow of things.
You know, about how this is agood time for us to to nourish
ourselves so that what is meantto be can emerge and emerge no
matter what.
Who, how, what government, whatwork thing, whatever, what,
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what politician is going on andwhat they're doing.
There is still that hope thatthe that uh that emerges in the
spring.
Right now, and I feel likethat's just one of the things
that's going on in my life rightnow.
Debbie (03:34):
I'm feeling that hope with things that are going on in
the world yeah, I, you know,with you know not to get
political, but to get political.
It's like whatever's beenhappening in the United States
is just to me, it's just beenlike an eyebrow raise, like what
the hell?
And there's a shift.
There's just there's an addoesn't mean anybody won yet.
(03:57):
It just means that, maybebecause it is the spring, maybe
because people are waking up,maybe because it has gone far
enough, maybe because everybodywas so freaking stunned.
What do you do?
Right, it's like there wasthere's only so much the one
individual can do if you're notalready belong to some kind of a
(04:18):
group or community or whatever.
So it's like now my energy isat a point where it's like I
want to be involved in some way.
Right, it may not be what Iwould have done in the past, but
I will do.
What is that I'm going to donow?
For I guess, how do I say?
(04:42):
Where I've evolved to, I'lljust leave it at that, like
wherever where I've evolved to,I'm going to be doing different
things than I did in the past,but I feel good about that.
I feel that that's right for me.
So, um, yeah, whatever it isthat that you want to do.
A person wants to do if theyfeel that that's truly right for
(05:02):
them.
If they feel that that's trulyright for them, that's fine.
I do wonder, maybe, about somepeople that shut down.
And just what is the?
I'm trying to think of theright phrase.
It's like I remember a longtime ago I was married to a man
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who had a sister-in-law who wasvery, very religious and to her,
if she prayed hard enough, godwould take care of her, jesus
would take care of her.
But he got so mad at her onetime and I didn't hear the prior
, previous part of theconversation, but I heard him
(05:45):
yell at her from another roomyou can't sit down at a piano
and pray that God will teach you, but not put your hands on the
keys.
Right, he was trying to to bemore earthly in his example, and
I was like I don't know whatthey're talking about, but that
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makes sense to me, right?
And you know, we talked laterabout what it was.
But you know, I, I have to honorif somebody is in a place where
it's like, well, I'm just gonna, you know, remove myself from
everything and maybe just prayor be in meditation.
You know, maybe that does helpand I don't know right, maybe
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that's adding to the vibrationbeing raised, and I just don't
know that.
I mean this is what I, at leastI'm hoping.
I just don't know that I meanthis is what I, at least I'm
hoping, is that, you know, noteverybody saves the whales, not
everybody works in domesticviolence.
People are drawn to certainthings right.
(06:56):
So this is just a thought thatwent through my head about it.
What if a person that doesn'tget involved but does raise
their vibration because theyknow that to get involved means
they're going to go into a lowerenergy vibration for them right
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right now?
I know that when peopleactivate there's a lot of energy
there, but I think it's needed,necessary.
How do you say healthy anger?
Because enough is enough.
Deborah (07:40):
Right, and one of the things that I, one of the things
that well, there's a couple ofthings that you said.
One of the things is thatpeople are waking up, right, and
one of the things that I one ofone of my groups, my weekly
meditation group it's a privategroup that I have she is wanting
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to sit over in her house alonebeing love and light.
If it doesn't happen in herbackyard, it's not happening.
Doesn't happen in her backyard,it's not happening.
But the thing that I keptenvisioning myself was you know,
if you're being love and lightand you're not touching anything
, your light is not, uh,contributing to anything in the
(08:35):
world.
Okay so, and I know you think,well, maybe you're raising the,
the vibration level, but ourvibration level is increased by
joining together with otherpeople, right?
Debbie (08:48):
So I'm not going to say no, but maybe she's.
I'm not taking up for her.
I don't know her.
I don't know anything about her.
All I know is that you know wehad a conversation about whether
or not it was I don't know theright word, the right thing to
do, whatever I can't judge.
(09:09):
Right, that's what.
I'm saying I cannot judge, Imean it feels like we're saying
if she's not doing it the way wethink she should do it, then
she's not right?
Deborah (09:18):
No, I'm not saying that I mean it feels like that to me
.
I mean it does.
I'll be honest and say have tobe very intentional about what
is ours to do.
So I may not be the one out inthe street, that I will not be
(09:55):
the one out in the streetholding the protest sign, feel
like is mine to do is to providethe tools to people so that
they can still thrive, no matterwhat's going on around them.
So there is something for me todo.
(10:17):
It's just not necessarilymilitant or protesting or
anything like that.
I have to choose what is formine to do that aligns with my
values and we were talking aboutvalues, right?
So my values say that I don'tjust take care of myself.
My values are I take care ofmyself, the animals, the planet,
(10:41):
the universe, my neighborhood,all of that.
That's just one of my corevalues, and so I have to figure
out, no matter where I am, nomatter where the world is, no
matter who's in office, I haveto figure out how I can do that,
and my way of doing that is bycoaching people on self-care.
Debbie (11:02):
Yeah, I mean as one person, coaching many.
You've really contributed a lotVersus, that's it.
I'm taking myself out of thatand going to do something else,
and as one person.
It's like you used the wordearlier.
You said intention and I was.
I wanted to jump in, but youknow I didn't want to be rude.
Deborah (11:24):
You were being polite, I was.
I wanted to jump in, but youknow, I didn't want to be rude.
Debbie (11:25):
You were being polite, I was being polite, but I did not
want to be polite.
I wanted to go.
Wait, stop.
It's such an important word.
So you know, if somebody issitting at home and they're,
I'll use the word excuse forthis particular statement, their
excuse is oh, I'm just going tobe love and light and I'm just
(11:47):
going to pray or meditate orwhatever.
If that is what's happening,they're using that as an excuse
not to get involved in any kindof way.
You know, my little bit ofjudgment is that's that's not a
very good intention to have.
It seems like that's an excuseto have to withhold what I could
(12:07):
be doing, um, versus like I'mlike you.
Uh, unfortunately, here it wastorrential rains, we had a
horrible storm and I don't Ididn't go out in it, um, but
there's a lot of times where Iwant to go do it and I feel
pulled back.
I feel pulled back, like, likeI start shutting down and I
(12:35):
don't want to use that as anexcuse, but I have to look at
that and go.
What is that?
What's going on with me?
Deborah (12:40):
that I shut down.
Debbie (12:42):
But I want to do something.
What can I do?
So I have to look at what is mysituation and what can I do,
and everybody's going to have adifferent situation.
Everybody may have a differentthing that they could do behind
um like.
Uh, some of the groups that I'm, you know, watching really grow
(13:08):
and the movement and energybehind them is just fabulous.
I'm so proud of some of theseyoung women.
They're like in their 30s andthey are kicking butt right I
love that there's a new we'retalking about spring, but I
think it's even bigger than thatthat there's this new awakening
(13:33):
that's happening, where so manypeople are saying I've had
enough, I've had enough, and Ikeep going.
How do I get?
How do I say it in a way whereit's like more specific?
And I asked somebody I'm like,um, are you wanting to be power
(13:54):
over it's?
The answer was no and I said so.
Is it that you don't really wantsomething from this other
person?
You just want them to stopwanting from to take your stuff,
basically, and it was like, yes, and it's like I get that I.
I get that like wholeheartedly,I don't want anybody taking my
(14:15):
stuff.
I don't want other people'sstuff, but I don't want anybody
taking mine, right?
You know like for me, fairnessis a huge value and you know,
when people aren't fair think ofI don't know, like the bully on
the playground or whatever, andthey're just trying to take it
doesn't belong to you.
Or like somebody robs yourhouse it's like who do you think
(14:37):
you are?
You don't get to do that, right.
So, but in their mind, forwhatever reason, yes, they do,
they do right.
So, but this awakening that'shappening, I just, I'm so
excited to finally see it sixand a half decades in cha-ching
like, let's go right.
I'm, I'm pleased because I Ilived enough in my life where I
(15:02):
felt there was a lot taken awayfrom me.
Maybe that's an inaccurate wayto describe it, maybe I allowed
it and didn't realize it, but Iknow that, seeing now the energy
that's out there, I have a lotof respect for it and I'm like
good, it's about time.
Deborah (15:20):
It's about time there needs to be a huge shift in old
paradigm thinking and moving tonew paradigm thinking, and I
think that a lot of this pain,this chaos, this, you know,
whatever you want to call it isis like growing pains we have to
go through the process.
(15:42):
The seed has to push throughthe soil before it can emerge
and bloom.
So one of the things I'mhearing from what you say is
like okay, I don't want anybodyto take my stuff, I don't want
anybody to be unfair to me, butwhat I see emerging more and
more is people having anawareness that if you're unfair
(16:04):
to that sunflower over there,you're being unfair to this rose
that I am.
So if you're unfair over there,then that is on that.
I see that as unfair to me aswell.
So we are not separate anymore.
We are all one humanity, andyou know.
(16:24):
And so what you do to the leastof this I think that's a Bible
for it what you do to the leastof us, you do to me, and I see
that more and more.
Debbie (16:34):
I have a visual.
A visual I was like how, howcan, how can we look at
something and and something onthe earth that makes sense,
right, and I don't know whatthese little things are called,
but they fall off of a tree andthey're round, but they've got
all these spikes coming out ofthem.
Deborah (16:51):
It's like that tree's seed and again, I don't know
what this thing is I have a tonof them in my backyard and the
name of it isn't coming up.
Debbie (17:00):
Okay, so you know what I'm talking about.
Deborah (17:02):
Yeah.
Debbie (17:07):
And it's like sweet gum, sweet gum.
Okay, yeah, I'm gonna trust youbecause I uh, you know, I'm
sure you're right, but if youlook at these sweet gum, what
are those?
Are they nuts?
Are they the the like an acorn?
Is the the seed that falls fromthe oak tree?
Deborah (17:21):
I think so or something like that.
They're sweet gum balls andthey're horrible to get rid of.
Debbie (17:26):
But anyway, I don't know but they're like there's just
chock full of spikes, right if aspike is an individual, but
they're still connected to thehole which is the, the ball in
the middle, and then there'sanother spike that comes out.
They're not recognizing that atthe base they're both connected
(17:49):
to the same thing.
So, we do see ourselves asseparate because we were raised
in an atmosphere I'm going tocall it the old paradigm which
enforced you can't figure thingsout on your own, you need help
from these other people or thisother person, and you just can't
do it on your own.
I couldn't do it on my own,you're not going to be able to
(18:11):
do it on your own.
But now there's this newparadigm that it's like it's not
me, it's we right and it justit feels it's see to me.
That naturally feels betterthan whatever it was.
I was taught Like what?
The things that I was taughtalways caused me to cock my head
(18:36):
Like what?
Like?
It never sat well, but I waschallenged with something's
wrong with you, deb.
You need to think this otherway, and for 50, you know, five
decades plus, I tried to forcemyself to think that way because
I wanted to belong.
(18:58):
Right, I wanted to belong.
But life things happen, youknow, moving or whatever and I
was in a situation where itoccurred to me none of that is
comfortable to me.
I'm going to have to find whatis comfortable to me and be true
to myself.
Using more self-love andself-care, I started meeting
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more people that did that andthat that conversation I would
have with that person would feelmore clean and more natural
than any conversation I'd hadwith in my life, with family
members.
I'm not saying I never metanyone like that, you know, in
my past, but it was rare becauseI had surrounded myself with
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what my family was doing andwanting to be part of that.
I mean, who doesn't want to bepart of their?
family, we all do right, and sothere was this very strong draw.
I've also felt the challenge ofwhat it's like to sort of
estrange myself by choice and itseems like, whether I try to
(20:15):
belong or I try to stay away,I'm just a good person to talk
about.
They're just like, if I try tobelong, it's.
It's like a little bit of apushback, like we don't really
like you very much.
You know they push back, andthen if I don't try to belong,
(20:38):
then it's like, well, what iswrong with her?
Like, doesn't she understandshe should try?
Like, and it's just so bizarre.
But watching it has justcreated a allowing like.
I don't need to justify itanymore.
There's that allowing more wewere talking early about like
just being right, right am Ireally?
(21:01):
And, um, just really beingpresent with who I am and
allowing them to talk about.
You know that song.
Let's give them something totalk about.
Let's give them something totalk about.
Yeah, I love it.
I can do or not do.
It doesn't matter.
I feel like they talk about meanyway, Right, and it's OK.
(21:23):
It's like it's just okay now.
I suppose it's like I haveother family, family of my
choice.
Deborah (21:33):
But here's what I'm thinking.
When we're talking about thatfamily of your choice, I think
we've gotten away from a littlebit about what we were
originally talking about.
But when we're talking about thefamily of the choice, I would
(21:54):
like for us to get to a place inthe world where we don't have
to make those choices where wecan just be, where this person
over here thinks I should blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and you can think what you want.
You know, I, I, it's just notgoing to.
And one of the things, one ofthe um, one of the um realms for
the be present.
(22:14):
I talked to you a lot aboutthat.
For the model is to live yourlife outside the distress of
oppression.
So it oppresses me if I amworried about what this person
is thinking or what this personthinks about me, or I'm not
connecting with this person.
And if I live outside thedistress of oppression, then I'm
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just connecting with thosepeople that allow me to be
present and to be free in themoment, and so that creates a
world.
For I mean, and let's just moveit out, move it out, move it
out.
And so that creates a world,for I mean, and let's just move
it out, move it out, move it out, move it out, move it out, move
it out.
That creates a different worldthan someone who spends their
(22:57):
time looking around and wantingto oppress everyone or wanting
to struggle with everyone tobring them to their way of being
, way of understanding, way oflife.
That just creates a totallydifferent life than just being.
Debbie (23:16):
Yeah, and I didn't have that language that you just used
and I was describing, I guess,this part of my life, but that
really is exactly to me what Iwas saying.
Okay, it's living under theiroppression, right, trying to get
me to be a way they wanted,where the comfort for me was to
(23:42):
be outside of that and exactlywith people like you, like me,
like probably all the audiencethat's listening, who is more
comfortable being with I'm goingto call it light seekers people
who are looking for a higherlevel of vibration, having more
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love in their life, not just forthemselves, but for others.
And sometimes love shows up asanger, right Some things going
on right now.
It's like I love myself, mychildren, my fellow sisters and
brothers enough to be angry.
(24:28):
Stand up against thisoppression.
Deborah (24:31):
Right, oh man, that is absolutely true, you know,
because love can exist in avacuum.
What am I trying to say?
I have it in my mind Love canexist in a vacuum, but love
cannot be in action in a vacuumso okay, let's unpack that.
Debbie (24:55):
Let's unpack that.
Deborah (24:56):
Okay, can exist okay, so you can be sitting in your
room.
Ah, okay, being all love andlight and I am love, I am the
universe, I am love and you canbe.
But being love and light inyour little room is no action.
(25:17):
It doesn't, it is not love ofloving right, it's not the act
of loving, it is being love, andso it.
It's two different things, andyou choose.
Debbie (25:30):
Maybe that's self-love, it's like, I don't know, like in
the, in the world I live in,the, the, the um tools, that I
teach, the skills and everythingit's.
We use the words love in action, right, are you being love in
action?
Right, are you being love inaction?
(25:53):
And I'm going to I'm stillgoing to go back to the
individual.
You called it in a vacuum.
I think I have been in asituation where I was just so
unavailable that the only love Ihad at that time we're talking
some years ago, but at the timethe only love I had was
(26:22):
essentially being loved tomyself, and I'll just also call
it licking my wounds, like I hadto heal me.
Right, I had to heal me.
I, I, I, I remember I did nothave a plant in my house none,
zero plants, not out.
There was stuff outside, but Ididn't water it, I didn't take
care of it, I didn't cut it, Ididn't try nothing.
I had nothing like nothing, nobandwidth for anything but
(26:48):
healing myself.
And I, I think I would havesaid those words like I'm just
going to be here and be withmyself, uh, isolating, right.
I don't think that I would havebeen now.
I wasn't using it as an excuse,and I think that's the thing we
went.
We talked about intention.
Is it like I just don't want toget involved, just don't want
to get involved, I don't want toget involved in all this stuff?
(27:09):
So we use it as an excuse andversus um, I don't know.
I just for me personally.
I know what I went through.
So if there's another persongoing through what I went
through, I want to understandand I want to allow and I'm
hoping that that brings them toa place where heal yourself and
(27:32):
then go out and make adifference.
Deborah (27:35):
Right, and that's that's really what you and I
both do as coaches Right, and?
And one of the reasons why weare called to do that is because
we've been there yes, Right,and so one of the things that I
do, or that we both do, is wefind those people that are in
(27:55):
that state and help them heal sothat they can open up to their,
to their wellness and to theiryou know, their radical
self-care.
I call it so that they can stepoutside of themselves to live
the life that they want, and Iknow that sounds cliche, but
that's what I found that I needwhere I need to take my love and
(28:17):
my action not at the picketline, not at the rally, not at
the march by taking those peoplethat are hurting and helping
them to heal.
Debbie (28:27):
That is a very, very important thing to do and great
admiration to all of I'll say us, who I mean, of course, not
disparaging anybody else, butright now, because of this old
paradigm, which is bullshit, wewe need whatever we call I mean
(28:51):
the the self-love, self care,how to make a difference in your
life type coaches that aregoing to help people move
through the junk that wasdownloaded into us throughout
our lives.
Right, it is, it's time for theshift, it's time for the change
.
It's happening may continue tohappen because it's not a done
(29:16):
deal right and we, just we.
The world, the earth needs toheal, right earth needs to heal.
And there is, I feel, somethingI don't.
I don't know about anybody else, but I feel an energy that I
(29:39):
don't think I've really feltbefore, that I'm like really
consciously aware of it.
Deborah (29:46):
So spring is strong, so spring is strong, baby.
Debbie (29:49):
Spring is strong.
I'm wondering about ouraudience.
Are you guys feeling it Like?
Do you genuinely feel somethingswirling around?
Maybe you can't articulate it,Maybe you can.
I'd love to hear about it.
I would love to hear what isgoing on in your life, your
(30:09):
world, that you can say yes, I'mexperiencing that as well.
Deborah (30:15):
And we invite you to comment below, letting us know
exactly what you feel and we'llrespond.
We may even have a whole newconversation about it, because
we love to hear about what yourthoughts are on some of these
conversations that we're having.
Debbie (30:35):
Absolutely.
We're more than willing toanswer questions, so feel free
to put those in there, all right, as we're wrapping up.
We ready, yeah, all right.
Well, I, you know.
I just want to tell you guys,thank you so much for being here
.
We thank you for the loves, thelikes, and we love your
comments.
We love when you ask questions,you're.
Those are very special andprecious to us and we really
(31:00):
appreciate them.
So please feel free to continueto do that.
Deborah (31:03):
And, as always, we invite you to love and care for
the Shiro in you.
I hate that I can't get withyou.
Debbie (31:13):
I don't want to.
Bye everybody.
We'll see you next time.
Bye.
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