June 26, 2025 ⢠47 mins
Hey there, my Shiny Minds!
This episode is extra special because Iâm joined by my dear friend and fellow light-bringer, Nathan Ohm:
- ICF, PCC:Â Professional Certified Coach, International Coaching FederationÂ
- Licensed Practitioner of Neuro-Linguistic ProgrammingŽ
- Senior Director of Finance, Oracle:Â Leads a global team of 50+ in sales compensation planning, quota setting, and leadership development
- Internal Coaching Program Creator:Â Founded and leads internal coaching programs at Oracle, coaching 50+ professionals and accumulating 500+ ICF-qualifying hours
- Faculty Trainer @Academy of Neuro-Shine Technology
Nathan and I share the story of how a chance encounter in Los Angeles led to a powerful friendshipâand how he brought the magic of coaching into the heart of corporate leadership at Oracle.
We talk about breaking free from self-doubt, challenging OPOs (Other Peopleâs Opinions), and what it takes to create real, lasting change in big organizations.
Tune in to hear:
⨠How authentic connection can change your life (and your career)
⨠The truth about overcoming obstacles and building something new from scratch
⨠Why Neuro-Shine Technology⢠is a game-changer for leaders and coaches everywhere -
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How I Got HereâŚ
2011: Became a Licensed Trainer of Neuro Linguistic ProgrammingÂŽ (trained by Dr. Richard Bandler). Earned a second Bachelorâs degree in Metaphysics from the University of Metaphysics.
2012: Became Lead Instructor of Leadership Communication Strategies at UCLA Extension.
2013: Earned a Masterâs in Metaphysical Psychology from the University of Metaphysics.
2014: Became Lead Instructor and Course Author of "Managing Yourself and Others with Emotional Intelligence" at UCLAx and Received my first ICF CCE Accreditation (30 hours) for in-person training program.
2015: Achieved first â6 figuresâ in the US.
2016: Created Neuro-Shine Technology⢠and became an official member of the Forbes Coaches Council.
2017: Named one of the 40 Under 40 Most Influential Turkish Americans.
2018: Won Global Woman Entrepreneur of the Year Award.
2019: Became an ICF Certified Coach (ACC), achieved full 60-hour ICF Accreditation as a CCE provider and launched "Be-Live in U" as the Academy of Neuro-Shine Technologyâ˘.
2021: Earned ICF MCC Credential (only 721 in the world at the time).
2022: Secured ICF Level 1 & 2 Coaching Education Accreditations.
2023: Neuro-Shine Technology⢠reached 50+ countries and 500+ coaches, launched the Business Development Mastermind at the Forbes Coaches Council, featured on Kajabiâs main page and introduced 5 faculty members at the Academy of Neuro-Shine Technologyâ˘.
2024: Achieved PhD in Metaphysical Science.
2025: Received my 2nd Doctorate in Metaphysical Psychology, M. PsyD! đĽł
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(00:00):
here we go
welcome back to the Shiny Minds show with Doctor Shiny
I am super excited to have
Nathan Ohm on the Shiny Minds show today
welcome Nathan
are you ready to shine come on
it's the shiny one you got this
thank you shiny
I'm so excited to be here
(00:20):
oh my goodness shininess
what a shiny
brilliant mind that I have on the show today
I cannot wait for this episode literally
I'm looking forward to our conversation
for anybody who is watching or listening
would you like to start by sharing how we met
(00:41):
our story
yes let's do it okay
so I would love to hear it from your end
how how
how did we meet and how did we all like come to here
well I think we were both living in Los Angeles in a
well I was there from 2017 to 2020
and we were living in the same building
(01:03):
yeah and I remember having hosted a
like kind of a neighbor get together one evening
and almost everyone had left
and you found out about it
maybe you were coming back from an event
and you showed up kind of at the tail end
but you walked in and I like
(01:24):
you have such a strong presence haha
and I was thinking well
she seems like a cool person to get to know and
and I think we just started talking
it was 2018 maybe and 2018
2019 and 2019 and um
(01:45):
it was just like this organic conversation
and like this instant chemistry and uh yeah
um yeah
do you do you remember that
I do remember
I also remember Eduardo was with you and yes
I stepped in you were almost done
I'm like did I miss the party but I wanna meet you
(02:10):
yeah
we were really kind of getting ready to shut it down
but you were there and we're like well
let's let's keep it open for another 15 minutes
and then we started talking
and then immediately
I found out that you were already a coach
yes yes
that's what I do
(02:30):
yes and then you said ICF
like you meet a lot of coaches
but not that many that go the ICF path
so then when you said ICF
I was like wow
she's like she's really in it
yeah legit
legit and then I remember having that conversation
like I I was hooked
my goodness look at the building that I live in
(02:53):
I actually have like high frequency
high conscious individuals here
I'm so lucky to be meeting these people
and then I was so excited
and then I remember feeling connected right away
with both yes
and then we became such good friends after that
yes yes
it was it was like
(03:14):
I really believe that
we have these moments of time in our lives
when we're just
we're at the right place at the right time
and that was definitely one
of those moments
cause we lived there for two and a half years
you lived there in that building for what
a year and a half two years
and we were just we were meant to meet
(03:35):
it was it was really special
yeah it was
it was really really special
and for those of you who are watching listening
tuning in this is actually a great reminder
where are you at who are you surrounded with
and what are you missing in your environment
are you really connecting to people
(03:57):
are you really paying
attention to the energies around you right yes
yes that's a very good reminder
so then Nathan obviously
let's just properly introduce you to our audience
I have many rolls shiny which
which ones do you want to uh
(04:17):
all of them all of them
the whole you the whole Nathan
do you want me to start yeah absolutely
I would love to hear how
you would love to introduce yourself to the world
what kind of hats you
you have and what is your purpose in this lifetime
wow okay
(04:38):
why start with the you know
my purpose I
I kind of shift every year
but I mean it's all aligned
um and I have a really great one this year
which is I'm opening new cycles to elevate
transform and advance
that's like so I can
(04:59):
I think you and I a few times did like
New Year's sort of resolutions together
and planning
so every year I kind of lock into a purpose
so this year it's really around elevating
transforming and advancing
last year I was expanding my capacity to enable
empower and enlighten which is totally connected to
(05:23):
to shininess shiny minds and lightning enlightenment
um so um
so I think you know
my purpose is really to be a channel of
of Grace of love to
to serve others to bring light into the
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into the world and I know that's yours also
and I think that's why when we met
we really had this cosmic connection
yes cosmic Galactic
ooh I love that
and then there's like elevation and advancement
that is that is actually your signature
like your personal signature
that's who you are hashtag you can't help it
(06:11):
with everything that I know about you
like from hosting events to leading your team at Oracle
to perhaps like you wanna talk about that
you wanna continue introducing yourself
with also your professional role
yes yeah
let me tell so yes
(06:32):
I wear I've worn a lot of hats in my life
and I I think I'll still wear them throughout my life
I I don't like to be defined as one thing I
but I like
I could say if people say what do you do
I can say I I'm a coach
I'm a professional coach um
(06:52):
PCC ICF coach
I can also say
I'm a senior director of finance at Oracle
who I lead a team global team of 50 people
50+ people and uh
we do sales compensation planning for um
for all of the sales reps at Oracle
(07:12):
we um
plan their annual compensation plans
and create their quotas and targets
and issue their compensation plans
so that's there's a whole body of work around that
and so that's part of my leadership of a process
and then leading a large team of people
(07:34):
um so
and then within my role at Oracle
I've also been able to be a coach
and create coaching programs
so that's like a second job within my corporate job
um so that's been amazing
yes yes
and and then if I like even go out from there
I've been an actor a singer
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um I love global travel
I you know
so there's just like a ton of things that
that I love and sometimes at any one point you can
I can focus on one or two or three of them um
but I love like you always say
I love my life I know you love your life
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and I want to experience the most of it
and I also want to offer in service to people to um
to help them have better lives
and that's why I love what I do
I love coaching um
why I think you and I connect on so many levels
so so many levels indeed Nathan
(08:40):
and that is like there are so many things that you
mentioned that I adore about you for who you are
what you bring to the world and how you show up
and then you embody every
single thing that you talk about
your generosity your contribution
your kindness your unity mindset
(09:01):
your it's
it's just so delicious to have you not only as a friend
and now also as part of our Academy of neuroscience
technology co creators collaborators
yes and
which also brings me back to that conversation
(09:23):
we had in Los Angeles
talking about coaching and where you are today
having created the internal coaching program at Oracle
I I
I I am just super pumped about it
and I want to just
it like scream to the world with a megaphone
(09:45):
like what we were able to accomplish together
because then you also inspired others in the academy
like Eren as you know
who is also leading an internal
but international coaching program at Pfizer
so would you like to talk about
how that actually came to realization
(10:06):
how you were able to create that program at Oracle
yes yes
I yes
I I'm
and I'm so proud of it it's
when I think of the
like different accomplishments I've had in my life
this is one I'm really proud of and
and excited about um
I think if I can I'll go back a little bit in history
(10:31):
yeah um
because I got my first coaching
I did my first coaching training in 2003
2004 in the like the early
the dawn of time in a personal coaching haha
what um
so I got a certified
(10:53):
I got a certification back then and I
between like 2004 and 2,021 22
I did about 200+ hours of coaching
so it's like I had a side business
you know one year I might have coached 20 or 30 hours
(11:16):
I skipped a year then I coach
so it was something I always believed in
I always loved but I never quite knew how I would
really manifest it in a bigger way
but I always knew that it was something that
that I would at some point
you know it was always on my radar
even if it was just like a small little
(11:39):
dot on the radar oh yeah um
so then
when I met you and Learned about neuroshine technology
and the
the the ICF accredited training programs
I started to to go down that path and then it
it all started to become clear to me like it
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it's difficult sometimes for corporate professionals
to figure out how to lead a
you know side business and do their corporate jobs
if it's a like in
and my job is a pretty substantial one
so I had this breakthrough moment where I was like
(12:23):
why couldn't I do my coaching at Oracle
why don't I
see if I can embed this into my existing role
and have it be an extension of um
of my role as a broader part of my leadership
so we I
we talked about that I
(12:44):
I took your programs and then it was like oh it
it all everything felt possible
you know I was like
I can get to my PCC I can get my 500 hours
I can I started talking to someone in organization
and talent development at Oracle
I talked to my senior leadership
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and it magically all started with a lot of intention
you know and
and work it all started to come together
and in the last two and a half years
I've coached 50 people um
within Oracle in three different coaching programs
(13:27):
wow and so I feel like I'm just getting started
but those um
in those with those 50 people
and the nearly 300 hours that I've coached
I was able to surpass my 500 hours I needed for my PCC
um pre PCC credential with
(13:48):
with ICF and um
along with your expert um
training programs and guidance in uh
reaching that milestone
yes oh my God
this is something that I was really looking forward to
talk about because I do remember our conversations
(14:11):
and I do remember
and then now it is actually a reality that we celebrate
and you actually made such a huge difference
like remember
it was just an idea
and that's what I want to actually share
with the audience like
sometimes your ideas are so big and you doubt yourself
(14:33):
you were like oh
come on can I do this
like is it really possible
what if it is possible and Nathan is a great example
I'm getting goosebumps like whenever I have goosebumps
like OK confirmation
so this is so huge it's like win
win win win win
for everybody in the entire universe
(14:54):
like your ecosystem everybody that you touched
you coached those 50 people
more goosebumps imagine what
kind of transformations that they have experienced
through your guidance
through your coaching program inside Oracle
and imagine like what else is possible
(15:17):
so now before we go on
because I like we can take this to all kinds of places
what I would love to ask you
so that we can also inspire everybody
in their corporate world in their corporate jobs is
yes
what is the biggest obstacle you faced
(15:39):
and how did you overcome it
wow that's a great question
yeah
I I think the biggest obstacle is often our own mind
the limitations we place in our own minds
so it's it's sort of the
the limitations like there's not enough time
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who will really believe this is possible
who you know
and then so I think I
I first had to get past that my own limit
you know mind limitations right
and then as I started to sort of go down the path of
of creating a program the
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some of the obstacles are just
it takes a little bit of time to develop this right
so patience is a really critical
value to to hold when
when trying to do something like this
but I always had um
I held on to sort of the optimism that it was possible
(16:41):
I talk to people like you
who believed in me
and believed that it could be possible
and then um
and then I just went step by step by step
you know what's the next step
that's all that's probably one of my biggest
the ways that I challenge myself
the way I challenge my teams or anyone
(17:02):
like if if
there's an obstacle of getting something accomplished
just think like even if it seems like way out here
what's the next step I can take right
what's the next step what's the next step
so it there was always a next step
and I just kept taking the next step
even when sometimes there would be a delay or a lag or
(17:26):
you know but I
I got I think the other thing that um
is find someone within a if
if someone else were trying to do this
I would say find someone who
who believes in you oh
and can help you know
champion your idea so
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and that's not always a lot of people
but there's often one or two people who believe in you
and can help you sort of move that along wow
does that answer your question
absolutely super precious
absolutely first
coach yourself rewire your own mind
and believe in it
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and then find perhaps just one person better
if it is to
to also believe in your internal and external belief
that's what I am hearing from you
yeah yes
and then take the
and then just know that sometimes it takes some time
so you have to be patient with in the process
(18:29):
but but as the process starts to unfold
even if it's slower than we would like
there's always a next step
and then there's always a next step after that
yeah
and then this is something that we always talk about
even as our faculty as you know
we are the turtles ha ha ha
(18:50):
yeah we make stuff happen
you know yes
we do yes
and that was my whole like from
from 2004 when I got my first um
coaching certification
to getting my PCC credential in 2025
21 years
it was a slow sort of slow path
(19:11):
but an intentional path and I got there
yeah exactly
so I offer anyone who's feels like they're at
you know walking like the turtle
it's okay you know
just keep taking the next step
what a great reminder I love that
I know slow
but through you're just going to be super through
(19:31):
absolutely
which actually um
what like wants me to ask you this question too
obviously
you were in the world of coaching way before me
and you got your certification 21 years ago
and I would love to ask this question to you
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if you remember your first certification program
it's been a while ago right
if you remember how was your first
learning experience
with the first certification program that you
did years ago and how was it with my nourish
and technology coaching certification program
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how would you compare them
and how Nourish
Shine technology made a difference for you
back in that time everything was over the phone
there was no zoom or anything
so you can imagine
even a remote coaching training program was
was done on like a conference call so
(20:37):
so I my coach trainer
a beautiful woman named Joanne I
I still uh
really value her
her teaching and her energy from that time um
I didn't meet her in person until like
a year after I completed the program
I
that was the first time I saw her face because we were
(21:00):
back then we were all on
on conference calls um
so that was just a logistical difference
um I think there was I mean
there were certainly a it was um
that particular program became ICF accredited later
but it in that in that time
I think there was still this sort of question
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even with a lot of coaching schools
as to whether the ICF path was valid or not
and then when you finish the program
it was still a little bit of a
question Mark on how you could get there
you know and so fast
forward to Academy of Neuroshine Technology
where you have all the steps laid out
(21:42):
and so anyone who really wants to get credentialed
all of that that path is very clear
and you and your team now I'm part of that team
yes we support people at every step along the way right
so I think that's something that's um
that's incredibly different
(22:04):
you know now from
from back in the the early days
when we were all sort of figuring out where to go from
from where the coaching program went um
I think what's also different about um
your program is
you've integrated all these different sort of
disciplines and philosophies into it
(22:24):
so you've um
you've created a a really cool system that's good for
both you as the coach
and then you as an individual in enriching your own um
thinking and and life
so it you're
you're doing like uh
it's like a double uh
(22:44):
yeah benefit in
in getting to really think about what's
making you a better person
which makes you a better coach
and then also teaching the
you know coaching practical coaching methods and uh
principles
I you know
what I always say I needed something practical
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because I do have a very critical mind
like if I don't have the evidence
if I don't understand okay
I'm learning this why
like how am I gonna apply it
like how is it gonna change my life
I always like come from that kind of like critical OK
just like shatter the whole Assumption
and then give me the like practical thing
if I didn't hear that I always questioned
(23:31):
everything that I have Learned in my life
and then that's why I ended up creating something
super practical and I'm
I'm so happy that it is actually helping
a ton of people now around the world
including my own mother as you know hahaha
so I love I love
I totally love hearing dad
I have another question
(23:52):
I know you have questions for me too
I have a few questions for you too so
I'll save my question and please go ahead
share your question I
I know what I'm going to ask you
I can wait
I love that you is part of your um
neuroshine technology and
(24:12):
and even beyond the neuroshine technology
just you and your own life really embody the shiny mind
which you've named yourself
um shiny um
and you talk a lot about that
you've become so careful about what you feed your mind
(24:34):
your body
yeah tell us a little bit about that
like what shifted in you to where you've really like I
I saw a recent post you said you were um
you were TV free you were
you know other people opinions free
you were
oh and
and you're super careful about
(24:55):
everything you put into your mind and body and uh
maybe you can share a little bit about yeah
why that's so important for you
and how it's helped you succeed
oh absolutely
it's it's pleasure
and I'm glad you're asking this question
because it
now goes back to the practical side of things right
it's
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the way that I rewired my mindset
by getting rid of OPO's
which is a part of my nurishine technology
as we teach
opium stands for other people's opinions
for those of you who are in the audience
other people's opinions we are conditioned and raised
(25:40):
sort of in an environment
where we are taught to receive external validation
we are taught to ask permission from others
to make decisions for ourselves
and that created this big huge
enormous false identity that we all have
(26:03):
and we need to shatter actually
and that to me was actually
I had this spark in myself since I was a little girl
I always questioned the system
I always questioned everything
the first time I questioned was when I was 8 years old
(26:24):
when my mom was insisting on something
and I was asking her why
and then she was not able to break it down to me
the reason why I was not convinced
and therefore I was like no
not doing that
I remember all that
and so that is actually the first spark of me
okay this is an OPO right
like in my subconscious mind
(26:44):
why do I need this external thing
my internal compass is telling me another way
and like
I kept on collecting these type of experiences
throughout my entire life
where I didn't know what it was
but I had this inner knowing that was
stronger than anything else including
(27:07):
I'm good getting goosebumps again
including a very critical milestone in my life
where I was choosing my degree
my bachelor's degree in my high school
and for those of you
I am actually a valedictorian of my own hahaha
high school when it comes to my own field
(27:30):
and all these teachers they they were telling me oh
you're so bright
so brilliant and go study science and I'm like well
no thank you because I'm gonna study communications
and then they're like
oh why are you doing that communications
and you know those social sciences are for people
who cannot understand the complications of the science
(27:53):
you have the brilliant mind
you have the shiny mind
go get that kind of an education
you're gonna be great
I know that we took a survey when I was in high school
I know my survey result had 97 point out of 100
that showed me I was super convincing
(28:17):
like my persuasion score was 97 out of 100 wow
and then
I knew that it was something to do with communications
whereas my teachers were telling me no
you should go pursue that way I'm like no
I'm gonna go that way even dad I was like
why are these people not seeing me as who
(28:38):
I am with all my strengths and what I am capable of
that was another to me opo
external validation
being shattered from the core of it
and throughout my entire life
like one after the other my corporate career
in the advertising and marketing world
and I always questioning myself
(28:58):
my worth because I didn't feel belong
and they're like
I kept on questioning myself and long story short
the way that I created my neuroshine technology
especially with my shiny Mind principle was that hey
watch out for the opiates
because it belongs to those people
(29:23):
it's not necessarily your own throat
and we are supposed to live in alignment with our own
throat and that is also why practically
I don't really buy the opiates
I don't buy the opinions of others
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which comes through social media
which comes through TV which comes through
what we are supposed to be eating outside
or what we're supposed to be consuming
in terms of our conversations even
so that's why I'm super
practically careful about what I consume in my system
not only the food
(30:07):
but also the energy everything is energy right
in terms of conversations and information
and obviously food and and and energy
all that is energy at the end
all is frequency and it all starts within
and it requires solid inner knowing
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and that is what I based my neuroshine technology on
the the foundational information is within you
like the the technology for truth is within you
that's why yeah you just combined your
whose truth principle and the shiny mind principle
(30:49):
principles together um
and it sounds like you you early on
you had a sort of
fundamental reckoning within yourself
about living to your own truth
and through other people's opinions
and then over time you've just continued to evolve in
the practices of what your truth is yeah
(31:12):
at in on so many different levels yeah
um which is so wonderful when I
you know reach out to you
whether we're working on you know
neuroshine technology
or if we're just talking as friends
I know I can always come to you with
an inspirational thought or idea
or ask you a question and we
(31:34):
we go deep and I'm never just gonna talk
have a shallow conversation with you about the news or
you know
or just uh
BS ha ha ha yeah that's the thing I
I really wanna go so deep
I believe this is what we need
(31:56):
even more in today's world
like deepening of our own inner compass
don't you think yes yes
absolutely and you um
and and to sort of bring it back to coaching
I think the um
all of the principles you bring about listening um
like coaching is really a
(32:18):
a process of listening more than anything
and the act of listening and the way that
that helps us go deep within ourselves
with our clients with um
our students um so that's
that's something that I've really benefited from
from your work
and from just the practice of coaching in general
(32:42):
that is exactly what I was going to ask you
so I can go back to my question
if I may psychic connection yes
you see that's how the universe works
so my question is because
you know
we have majority of our students in the corporate world
and we want to help them
(33:03):
if they want to grow personally professionally
financially spiritually
and obviously you being in the corporate world
and leading a large international group
and obviously
helping them evolve to their better selves
in the corporate world
I was going to ask
what do you see in today's world in 2,025
(33:28):
what do you see as the most important
mindset shift that has to happen
for people who are still in the corporate world
there's probably more than one answer to that question
but I think helping people to
connect with who they really are
(33:51):
is a huge shift because so
so many times in the corporate world
we get stuck on our title
or are just a certain set of accomplishments
um what we do
but underlying that is who we really are
(34:12):
yeah and I think that when we connect to that
when I say said to you earlier
like I'm here to empower and enlighten
and enable and advance
and like that's part of who I really am
like I yes
I do a a role I
I figure out compensation plans for people and how
(34:34):
you know like
and all of that's important
it's a it's a process for yeah
you know working and making money and
you know
but that's just a that's just a part of who we are
so I think when
when people start to shift in their thinking
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and in their awareness of who they truly are
and who they're becoming and who they're
what's really possible I think that's a
a transformational shift that
that we as coaches and light workers yeah
can enable that I
I I love that so much
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we we've had
this conversation from so many different angles
with so many other Academy of Neuroshine Technology
faculty members on the show Nathan
obviously that is huge
it's that existential part
in the wheel of life that we have at the
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you know
nurishine technology curriculum at the very core
we have that existential part like
who are you like yes
why why are you doing what you are doing okay
you're the finance director
senior finance director at Oracle
what what does that mean
haha right
what kind of light are you bringing to your role
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yes and why
what are your tools for that
so let me just also ask you
since we're talking about tools and practical stuff
what is your favorite
leadership communication tool that
you know that makes a huge difference in your everyday
leadership role Nathan hmm
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I think like
emotional intelligence and active listening
are really important like at a
at a higher level um
and it like just like I told you
in the process of coaching
you really learn you really learn to listen
and so I think that being able to listen
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and then go from there
versus just coming always with the
my own preset agenda that's a
that's a huge communication tool
there's also a lot I mean
you have a lot of communication tools you talk about
there's there's some ones I've really started to love
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just on a very practical level
the the sandwich model where you
we use you know
but and
and what comes before and after those
like that's been transformational for me and my writing
my business writing like when I use the word
but just the concept of starting with the negative
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and ending with the positive
as opposed to
we're conditioned to always end with the negative
so like I catch myself all the time now
in the last few years since learning that
to shift my verbal and written communication
to end with the positive end with where do I wanna go
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not what's wrong with things
but where we headed what's
what's the it doesn't mean we shy away from something
negative that might have happened
or something we need to fix
but the focus is on the positive
and that's been super helpful for me in
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in my at a at a practical level yeah
I actually 1,000% agree with you
and this was something that I also worked on myself
when I when I was practicing my own tools hahaha
I actually needed to have that mindset shift
I would go rewrite my emails my messages text messages
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and it's such a huge shift
although it is such a minor thing to focus on
for those of you who are wondering
what we're talking about like
we do have this sandwich model
in neuroscience technology
once once you start a positive sentence
you don't wanna follow it with a but
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because you're ruining it
you're deleting it because but is a negator
you're saying I love your performance
but it's trash like it's in the trash can now
you don't wanna do that right
and and I I
I needed to work on it again and again and again
and now it just like is so loud
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whenever I listen to somebody when I hear their butts
after the positive statements
I go like that you know
because it is so important to understand
that language is our reprogramming tool
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as human beings why do we have language
we are programming ourselves how are we programming it
like look at AI
what do we have L L m large language models
like what like what are they a language
like break it down right
what are they doing reprogramming how language
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so that's why it all comes back to language
and that's why
the language that we use is the most fundamental
reprogramming tool for us to become our best version
and what you just talked about
the sandwich model
also connects with my fundamental understanding of hey
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live your life in a delicious way right
like you wanna end every message in a delicious way
otherwise it it doesn't
it doesn't work otherwise you
you are not going to be your most delicious self
and that's why I invite everybody
who is in the audience to do
perhaps a quick language audit
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yes yes
right like what are you what are you saying to people
we wanna use our language to expand our possibilities
as opposed to limit them and we're
we're conditioned to
to limit our possibilities with our language
and our language can do exactly the opposite
if we put the right intention and practice behind it
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to expand the possibilities
and to construct and create and evolve
and that's what how we wanna use our language
and that's what I love about
you know
your focus on language in neuronshine technology and
and coaching training and everything we
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we do to shift our language to what's possible
yeah absolutely
me too
because I remember this quote from Napoleon Bonaparte
he says
this was something that I was using in my leadership
communication strategies
class that I've been teaching at UCLA
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I was actually teaching that
coming from that perspective
leadership is actually leading people
with hope like a leader is a dealer in hope
I guess that was the quote
I love that one right
a dealer in hope like you gotta give people hope
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yes that's
that's that like hope a brighter
a shinier world like possibilities right
yes
haha
going galactic here we go yes
here we go we go galactic
wow we've been talking for a while Nathan
I believe just like dealing with the hope
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and then giving people some beautiful
bright possibilities to look forward to
as a beautiful spot to
to leave everything like a cherry on top
do you agree totally yeah
totally yes
well then I would love to ask
do you have any parting thoughts and messages
that you would love to share with our audience
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I think I would
to relate it to some of what we've talked about
I would say to connect with
connect with yourself
know your truth yeah
um
coaching is a
whether as a practitioner or a recipient of coaching
I think it's
it's something that's good for all of us yes
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um
yes so I might tell someone to hire a coach um
and
and really get to where you feel obstacles in your life
in getting to where you wanna go
know that you can overcome those
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and that your truth will show you the way
and it's just kind of clearing past those
other people's opinions ops
and limiting beliefs and all of those kind of things
and on the other side of that is or under it or in it
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however it makes sense for you
is your truth
that will really take you to where you wanna go
and coaching is is a is a process to enable that yes
coaching is the modality that we are all
inviting you to experience everyone
(44:26):
coaching is the modern way to authenticity
coaching is today's tool to tap into your truth
especially in our world
at the Academy of Neuro Shine Technology right
so that's why we are actually inviting
anyone to join us
(44:49):
Nathan is one of our faculty trainers
like if you would love to learn
from him and tap into his wisdom
in the corporate world for over two decades now
and obviously in the coaching world
over two decades now a ton of brilliance
a ton of
goodness and shininess that you can actually take in
(45:14):
and really like
have it in your own heart and shared with the world
like that is what we are inviting you
and you can always go to my website and grab that
free PDF guide if you are new to the world of coaching
if you are wondering
I don't know what coaching is like
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do I do I need a coach do I need to work with a coach
or do like do I wanna become a coach and why
if you have all these questions totally understandable
go grab the free PDF guide
and that can be your step
the first step and then after that
you can just like connect with us
right Nathan hahaha
I think
(45:56):
you and I are teaching a cohort together in September
so it would be
so fun for anyone watching to join our cohort
mm hmm absolutely
please join us
we are going to do our absolute best to have you
tap into your own truth
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and then find out your own gifts
your own strengths
and your own cosmic brilliance that you carry within
right Nathan hahaha yes
absolutely hahaha
that is that is what we bring to the table
and please share this if you like this episode
(46:38):
share it put a like on it
subscribe for more episodes just like this
we are hashtag on a mission so that together
we can co create a brighter world together
so thank you Nathan for thank you shiny
it was so delicious super delicious
so delicious so fun
(46:59):
hahaha and then thank you everybody
do your shiny minds and until next time
keep shining your light bye bye
see go galactic
go galactic then you're in the right
here we go
welcome back to the Shiny Minds show with Doctor Shiny
I am super excited to have
Nathan Ohm on the Shiny Minds show today
welcome Nathan
are you ready to shine come on
it's the shiny one you got this
thank you shiny
I'm so excited to be here
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oh my goodness shininess
what a shiny
brilliant mind that I have on the show today
I cannot wait for this episode literally
I'm looking forward to our conversation
for anybody who is watching or listening
would you like to start by sharing how we met
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our story
yes let's do it okay
so I would love to hear it from your end
how how
how did we meet and how did we all like come to here
well I think we were both living in Los Angeles in a
well I was there from 2017 to 2020
and we were living in the same building
(01:03):
yeah and I remember having hosted a
like kind of a neighbor get together one evening
and almost everyone had left
and you found out about it
maybe you were coming back from an event
and you showed up kind of at the tail end
but you walked in and I like
(01:24):
you have such a strong presence haha
and I was thinking well
she seems like a cool person to get to know and
and I think we just started talking
it was 2018 maybe and 2018
2019 and 2019 and um
(01:45):
it was just like this organic conversation
and like this instant chemistry and uh yeah
um yeah
do you do you remember that
I do remember
I also remember Eduardo was with you and yes
I stepped in you were almost done
I'm like did I miss the party but I wanna meet you
(02:10):
yeah
we were really kind of getting ready to shut it down
but you were there and we're like well
let's let's keep it open for another 15 minutes
and then we started talking
and then immediately
I found out that you were already a coach
yes yes
that's what I do
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yes and then you said ICF
like you meet a lot of coaches
but not that many that go the ICF path
so then when you said ICF
I was like wow
she's like she's really in it
yeah legit
legit and then I remember having that conversation
like I I was hooked
my goodness look at the building that I live in
(02:53):
I actually have like high frequency
high conscious individuals here
I'm so lucky to be meeting these people
and then I was so excited
and then I remember feeling connected right away
with both yes
and then we became such good friends after that
yes yes
it was it was like
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I really believe that
we have these moments of time in our lives
when we're just
we're at the right place at the right time
and that was definitely one
of those moments
cause we lived there for two and a half years
you lived there in that building for what
a year and a half two years
and we were just we were meant to meet
(03:35):
it was it was really special
yeah it was
it was really really special
and for those of you who are watching listening
tuning in this is actually a great reminder
where are you at who are you surrounded with
and what are you missing in your environment
are you really connecting to people
(03:57):
are you really paying
attention to the energies around you right yes
yes that's a very good reminder
so then Nathan obviously
let's just properly introduce you to our audience
I have many rolls shiny which
which ones do you want to uh
(04:17):
all of them all of them
the whole you the whole Nathan
do you want me to start yeah absolutely
I would love to hear how
you would love to introduce yourself to the world
what kind of hats you
you have and what is your purpose in this lifetime
wow okay
(04:38):
why start with the you know
my purpose I
I kind of shift every year
but I mean it's all aligned
um and I have a really great one this year
which is I'm opening new cycles to elevate
transform and advance
that's like so I can
(04:59):
I think you and I a few times did like
New Year's sort of resolutions together
and planning
so every year I kind of lock into a purpose
so this year it's really around elevating
transforming and advancing
last year I was expanding my capacity to enable
empower and enlighten which is totally connected to
(05:23):
to shininess shiny minds and lightning enlightenment
um so um
so I think you know
my purpose is really to be a channel of
of Grace of love to
to serve others to bring light into the
(05:43):
into the world and I know that's yours also
and I think that's why when we met
we really had this cosmic connection
yes cosmic Galactic
ooh I love that
and then there's like elevation and advancement
that is that is actually your signature
like your personal signature
that's who you are hashtag you can't help it
(06:11):
with everything that I know about you
like from hosting events to leading your team at Oracle
to perhaps like you wanna talk about that
you wanna continue introducing yourself
with also your professional role
yes yeah
let me tell so yes
(06:32):
I wear I've worn a lot of hats in my life
and I I think I'll still wear them throughout my life
I I don't like to be defined as one thing I
but I like
I could say if people say what do you do
I can say I I'm a coach
I'm a professional coach um
(06:52):
PCC ICF coach
I can also say
I'm a senior director of finance at Oracle
who I lead a team global team of 50 people
50+ people and uh
we do sales compensation planning for um
for all of the sales reps at Oracle
(07:12):
we um
plan their annual compensation plans
and create their quotas and targets
and issue their compensation plans
so that's there's a whole body of work around that
and so that's part of my leadership of a process
and then leading a large team of people
(07:34):
um so
and then within my role at Oracle
I've also been able to be a coach
and create coaching programs
so that's like a second job within my corporate job
um so that's been amazing
yes yes
and and then if I like even go out from there
I've been an actor a singer
(07:56):
um I love global travel
I you know
so there's just like a ton of things that
that I love and sometimes at any one point you can
I can focus on one or two or three of them um
but I love like you always say
I love my life I know you love your life
(08:17):
and I want to experience the most of it
and I also want to offer in service to people to um
to help them have better lives
and that's why I love what I do
I love coaching um
why I think you and I connect on so many levels
so so many levels indeed Nathan
(08:40):
and that is like there are so many things that you
mentioned that I adore about you for who you are
what you bring to the world and how you show up
and then you embody every
single thing that you talk about
your generosity your contribution
your kindness your unity mindset
(09:01):
your it's
it's just so delicious to have you not only as a friend
and now also as part of our Academy of neuroscience
technology co creators collaborators
yes and
which also brings me back to that conversation
(09:23):
we had in Los Angeles
talking about coaching and where you are today
having created the internal coaching program at Oracle
I I
I I am just super pumped about it
and I want to just
it like scream to the world with a megaphone
(09:45):
like what we were able to accomplish together
because then you also inspired others in the academy
like Eren as you know
who is also leading an internal
but international coaching program at Pfizer
so would you like to talk about
how that actually came to realization
(10:06):
how you were able to create that program at Oracle
yes yes
I yes
I I'm
and I'm so proud of it it's
when I think of the
like different accomplishments I've had in my life
this is one I'm really proud of and
and excited about um
I think if I can I'll go back a little bit in history
(10:31):
yeah um
because I got my first coaching
I did my first coaching training in 2003
2004 in the like the early
the dawn of time in a personal coaching haha
what um
so I got a certified
(10:53):
I got a certification back then and I
between like 2004 and 2,021 22
I did about 200+ hours of coaching
so it's like I had a side business
you know one year I might have coached 20 or 30 hours
(11:16):
I skipped a year then I coach
so it was something I always believed in
I always loved but I never quite knew how I would
really manifest it in a bigger way
but I always knew that it was something that
that I would at some point
you know it was always on my radar
even if it was just like a small little
(11:39):
dot on the radar oh yeah um
so then
when I met you and Learned about neuroshine technology
and the
the the ICF accredited training programs
I started to to go down that path and then it
it all started to become clear to me like it
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it's difficult sometimes for corporate professionals
to figure out how to lead a
you know side business and do their corporate jobs
if it's a like in
and my job is a pretty substantial one
so I had this breakthrough moment where I was like
(12:23):
why couldn't I do my coaching at Oracle
why don't I
see if I can embed this into my existing role
and have it be an extension of um
of my role as a broader part of my leadership
so we I
we talked about that I
(12:44):
I took your programs and then it was like oh it
it all everything felt possible
you know I was like
I can get to my PCC I can get my 500 hours
I can I started talking to someone in organization
and talent development at Oracle
I talked to my senior leadership
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and it magically all started with a lot of intention
you know and
and work it all started to come together
and in the last two and a half years
I've coached 50 people um
within Oracle in three different coaching programs
(13:27):
wow and so I feel like I'm just getting started
but those um
in those with those 50 people
and the nearly 300 hours that I've coached
I was able to surpass my 500 hours I needed for my PCC
um pre PCC credential with
(13:48):
with ICF and um
along with your expert um
training programs and guidance in uh
reaching that milestone
yes oh my God
this is something that I was really looking forward to
talk about because I do remember our conversations
(14:11):
and I do remember
and then now it is actually a reality that we celebrate
and you actually made such a huge difference
like remember
it was just an idea
and that's what I want to actually share
with the audience like
sometimes your ideas are so big and you doubt yourself
(14:33):
you were like oh
come on can I do this
like is it really possible
what if it is possible and Nathan is a great example
I'm getting goosebumps like whenever I have goosebumps
like OK confirmation
so this is so huge it's like win
win win win win
for everybody in the entire universe
(14:54):
like your ecosystem everybody that you touched
you coached those 50 people
more goosebumps imagine what
kind of transformations that they have experienced
through your guidance
through your coaching program inside Oracle
and imagine like what else is possible
(15:17):
so now before we go on
because I like we can take this to all kinds of places
what I would love to ask you
so that we can also inspire everybody
in their corporate world in their corporate jobs is
yes
what is the biggest obstacle you faced
(15:39):
and how did you overcome it
wow that's a great question
yeah
I I think the biggest obstacle is often our own mind
the limitations we place in our own minds
so it's it's sort of the
the limitations like there's not enough time
(16:00):
who will really believe this is possible
who you know
and then so I think I
I first had to get past that my own limit
you know mind limitations right
and then as I started to sort of go down the path of
of creating a program the
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some of the obstacles are just
it takes a little bit of time to develop this right
so patience is a really critical
value to to hold when
when trying to do something like this
but I always had um
I held on to sort of the optimism that it was possible
(16:41):
I talk to people like you
who believed in me
and believed that it could be possible
and then um
and then I just went step by step by step
you know what's the next step
that's all that's probably one of my biggest
the ways that I challenge myself
the way I challenge my teams or anyone
(17:02):
like if if
there's an obstacle of getting something accomplished
just think like even if it seems like way out here
what's the next step I can take right
what's the next step what's the next step
so it there was always a next step
and I just kept taking the next step
even when sometimes there would be a delay or a lag or
(17:26):
you know but I
I got I think the other thing that um
is find someone within a if
if someone else were trying to do this
I would say find someone who
who believes in you oh
and can help you know
champion your idea so
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and that's not always a lot of people
but there's often one or two people who believe in you
and can help you sort of move that along wow
does that answer your question
absolutely super precious
absolutely first
coach yourself rewire your own mind
and believe in it
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and then find perhaps just one person better
if it is to
to also believe in your internal and external belief
that's what I am hearing from you
yeah yes
and then take the
and then just know that sometimes it takes some time
so you have to be patient with in the process
(18:29):
but but as the process starts to unfold
even if it's slower than we would like
there's always a next step
and then there's always a next step after that
yeah
and then this is something that we always talk about
even as our faculty as you know
we are the turtles ha ha ha
(18:50):
yeah we make stuff happen
you know yes
we do yes
and that was my whole like from
from 2004 when I got my first um
coaching certification
to getting my PCC credential in 2025
21 years
it was a slow sort of slow path
(19:11):
but an intentional path and I got there
yeah exactly
so I offer anyone who's feels like they're at
you know walking like the turtle
it's okay you know
just keep taking the next step
what a great reminder I love that
I know slow
but through you're just going to be super through
(19:31):
absolutely
which actually um
what like wants me to ask you this question too
obviously
you were in the world of coaching way before me
and you got your certification 21 years ago
and I would love to ask this question to you
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if you remember your first certification program
it's been a while ago right
if you remember how was your first
learning experience
with the first certification program that you
did years ago and how was it with my nourish
and technology coaching certification program
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how would you compare them
and how Nourish
Shine technology made a difference for you
back in that time everything was over the phone
there was no zoom or anything
so you can imagine
even a remote coaching training program was
was done on like a conference call so
(20:37):
so I my coach trainer
a beautiful woman named Joanne I
I still uh
really value her
her teaching and her energy from that time um
I didn't meet her in person until like
a year after I completed the program
I
that was the first time I saw her face because we were
(21:00):
back then we were all on
on conference calls um
so that was just a logistical difference
um I think there was I mean
there were certainly a it was um
that particular program became ICF accredited later
but it in that in that time
I think there was still this sort of question
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even with a lot of coaching schools
as to whether the ICF path was valid or not
and then when you finish the program
it was still a little bit of a
question Mark on how you could get there
you know and so fast
forward to Academy of Neuroshine Technology
where you have all the steps laid out
(21:42):
and so anyone who really wants to get credentialed
all of that that path is very clear
and you and your team now I'm part of that team
yes we support people at every step along the way right
so I think that's something that's um
that's incredibly different
(22:04):
you know now from
from back in the the early days
when we were all sort of figuring out where to go from
from where the coaching program went um
I think what's also different about um
your program is
you've integrated all these different sort of
disciplines and philosophies into it
(22:24):
so you've um
you've created a a really cool system that's good for
both you as the coach
and then you as an individual in enriching your own um
thinking and and life
so it you're
you're doing like uh
it's like a double uh
(22:44):
yeah benefit in
in getting to really think about what's
making you a better person
which makes you a better coach
and then also teaching the
you know coaching practical coaching methods and uh
principles
I you know
what I always say I needed something practical
(23:07):
because I do have a very critical mind
like if I don't have the evidence
if I don't understand okay
I'm learning this why
like how am I gonna apply it
like how is it gonna change my life
I always like come from that kind of like critical OK
just like shatter the whole Assumption
and then give me the like practical thing
if I didn't hear that I always questioned
(23:31):
everything that I have Learned in my life
and then that's why I ended up creating something
super practical and I'm
I'm so happy that it is actually helping
a ton of people now around the world
including my own mother as you know hahaha
so I love I love
I totally love hearing dad
I have another question
(23:52):
I know you have questions for me too
I have a few questions for you too so
I'll save my question and please go ahead
share your question I
I know what I'm going to ask you
I can wait
I love that you is part of your um
neuroshine technology and
(24:12):
and even beyond the neuroshine technology
just you and your own life really embody the shiny mind
which you've named yourself
um shiny um
and you talk a lot about that
you've become so careful about what you feed your mind
(24:34):
your body
yeah tell us a little bit about that
like what shifted in you to where you've really like I
I saw a recent post you said you were um
you were TV free you were
you know other people opinions free
you were
oh and
and you're super careful about
(24:55):
everything you put into your mind and body and uh
maybe you can share a little bit about yeah
why that's so important for you
and how it's helped you succeed
oh absolutely
it's it's pleasure
and I'm glad you're asking this question
because it
now goes back to the practical side of things right
it's
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the way that I rewired my mindset
by getting rid of OPO's
which is a part of my nurishine technology
as we teach
opium stands for other people's opinions
for those of you who are in the audience
other people's opinions we are conditioned and raised
(25:40):
sort of in an environment
where we are taught to receive external validation
we are taught to ask permission from others
to make decisions for ourselves
and that created this big huge
enormous false identity that we all have
(26:03):
and we need to shatter actually
and that to me was actually
I had this spark in myself since I was a little girl
I always questioned the system
I always questioned everything
the first time I questioned was when I was 8 years old
(26:24):
when my mom was insisting on something
and I was asking her why
and then she was not able to break it down to me
the reason why I was not convinced
and therefore I was like no
not doing that
I remember all that
and so that is actually the first spark of me
okay this is an OPO right
like in my subconscious mind
(26:44):
why do I need this external thing
my internal compass is telling me another way
and like
I kept on collecting these type of experiences
throughout my entire life
where I didn't know what it was
but I had this inner knowing that was
stronger than anything else including
(27:07):
I'm good getting goosebumps again
including a very critical milestone in my life
where I was choosing my degree
my bachelor's degree in my high school
and for those of you
I am actually a valedictorian of my own hahaha
high school when it comes to my own field
(27:30):
and all these teachers they they were telling me oh
you're so bright
so brilliant and go study science and I'm like well
no thank you because I'm gonna study communications
and then they're like
oh why are you doing that communications
and you know those social sciences are for people
who cannot understand the complications of the science
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you have the brilliant mind
you have the shiny mind
go get that kind of an education
you're gonna be great
I know that we took a survey when I was in high school
I know my survey result had 97 point out of 100
that showed me I was super convincing
(28:17):
like my persuasion score was 97 out of 100 wow
and then
I knew that it was something to do with communications
whereas my teachers were telling me no
you should go pursue that way I'm like no
I'm gonna go that way even dad I was like
why are these people not seeing me as who
(28:38):
I am with all my strengths and what I am capable of
that was another to me opo
external validation
being shattered from the core of it
and throughout my entire life
like one after the other my corporate career
in the advertising and marketing world
and I always questioning myself
(28:58):
my worth because I didn't feel belong
and they're like
I kept on questioning myself and long story short
the way that I created my neuroshine technology
especially with my shiny Mind principle was that hey
watch out for the opiates
because it belongs to those people
(29:23):
it's not necessarily your own throat
and we are supposed to live in alignment with our own
throat and that is also why practically
I don't really buy the opiates
I don't buy the opinions of others
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which comes through social media
which comes through TV which comes through
what we are supposed to be eating outside
or what we're supposed to be consuming
in terms of our conversations even
so that's why I'm super
practically careful about what I consume in my system
not only the food
(30:07):
but also the energy everything is energy right
in terms of conversations and information
and obviously food and and and energy
all that is energy at the end
all is frequency and it all starts within
and it requires solid inner knowing
(30:28):
and that is what I based my neuroshine technology on
the the foundational information is within you
like the the technology for truth is within you
that's why yeah you just combined your
whose truth principle and the shiny mind principle
(30:49):
principles together um
and it sounds like you you early on
you had a sort of
fundamental reckoning within yourself
about living to your own truth
and through other people's opinions
and then over time you've just continued to evolve in
the practices of what your truth is yeah
(31:12):
at in on so many different levels yeah
um which is so wonderful when I
you know reach out to you
whether we're working on you know
neuroshine technology
or if we're just talking as friends
I know I can always come to you with
an inspirational thought or idea
or ask you a question and we
(31:34):
we go deep and I'm never just gonna talk
have a shallow conversation with you about the news or
you know
or just uh
BS ha ha ha yeah that's the thing I
I really wanna go so deep
I believe this is what we need
(31:56):
even more in today's world
like deepening of our own inner compass
don't you think yes yes
absolutely and you um
and and to sort of bring it back to coaching
I think the um
all of the principles you bring about listening um
like coaching is really a
(32:18):
a process of listening more than anything
and the act of listening and the way that
that helps us go deep within ourselves
with our clients with um
our students um so that's
that's something that I've really benefited from
from your work
and from just the practice of coaching in general
(32:42):
that is exactly what I was going to ask you
so I can go back to my question
if I may psychic connection yes
you see that's how the universe works
so my question is because
you know
we have majority of our students in the corporate world
and we want to help them
(33:03):
if they want to grow personally professionally
financially spiritually
and obviously you being in the corporate world
and leading a large international group
and obviously
helping them evolve to their better selves
in the corporate world
I was going to ask
what do you see in today's world in 2,025
(33:28):
what do you see as the most important
mindset shift that has to happen
for people who are still in the corporate world
there's probably more than one answer to that question
but I think helping people to
connect with who they really are
(33:51):
is a huge shift because so
so many times in the corporate world
we get stuck on our title
or are just a certain set of accomplishments
um what we do
but underlying that is who we really are
(34:12):
yeah and I think that when we connect to that
when I say said to you earlier
like I'm here to empower and enlighten
and enable and advance
and like that's part of who I really am
like I yes
I do a a role I
I figure out compensation plans for people and how
(34:34):
you know like
and all of that's important
it's a it's a process for yeah
you know working and making money and
you know
but that's just a that's just a part of who we are
so I think when
when people start to shift in their thinking
(34:54):
and in their awareness of who they truly are
and who they're becoming and who they're
what's really possible I think that's a
a transformational shift that
that we as coaches and light workers yeah
can enable that I
I I love that so much
(35:16):
we we've had
this conversation from so many different angles
with so many other Academy of Neuroshine Technology
faculty members on the show Nathan
obviously that is huge
it's that existential part
in the wheel of life that we have at the
(35:40):
you know
nurishine technology curriculum at the very core
we have that existential part like
who are you like yes
why why are you doing what you are doing okay
you're the finance director
senior finance director at Oracle
what what does that mean
haha right
what kind of light are you bringing to your role
(36:01):
yes and why
what are your tools for that
so let me just also ask you
since we're talking about tools and practical stuff
what is your favorite
leadership communication tool that
you know that makes a huge difference in your everyday
leadership role Nathan hmm
(36:23):
I think like
emotional intelligence and active listening
are really important like at a
at a higher level um
and it like just like I told you
in the process of coaching
you really learn you really learn to listen
and so I think that being able to listen
(36:46):
and then go from there
versus just coming always with the
my own preset agenda that's a
that's a huge communication tool
there's also a lot I mean
you have a lot of communication tools you talk about
there's there's some ones I've really started to love
(37:07):
just on a very practical level
the the sandwich model where you
we use you know
but and
and what comes before and after those
like that's been transformational for me and my writing
my business writing like when I use the word
but just the concept of starting with the negative
(37:28):
and ending with the positive
as opposed to
we're conditioned to always end with the negative
so like I catch myself all the time now
in the last few years since learning that
to shift my verbal and written communication
to end with the positive end with where do I wanna go
(37:49):
not what's wrong with things
but where we headed what's
what's the it doesn't mean we shy away from something
negative that might have happened
or something we need to fix
but the focus is on the positive
and that's been super helpful for me in
(38:10):
in my at a at a practical level yeah
I actually 1,000% agree with you
and this was something that I also worked on myself
when I when I was practicing my own tools hahaha
I actually needed to have that mindset shift
I would go rewrite my emails my messages text messages
(38:36):
and it's such a huge shift
although it is such a minor thing to focus on
for those of you who are wondering
what we're talking about like
we do have this sandwich model
in neuroscience technology
once once you start a positive sentence
you don't wanna follow it with a but
(38:58):
because you're ruining it
you're deleting it because but is a negator
you're saying I love your performance
but it's trash like it's in the trash can now
you don't wanna do that right
and and I I
I needed to work on it again and again and again
and now it just like is so loud
(39:22):
whenever I listen to somebody when I hear their butts
after the positive statements
I go like that you know
because it is so important to understand
that language is our reprogramming tool
(39:42):
as human beings why do we have language
we are programming ourselves how are we programming it
like look at AI
what do we have L L m large language models
like what like what are they a language
like break it down right
what are they doing reprogramming how language
(40:03):
so that's why it all comes back to language
and that's why
the language that we use is the most fundamental
reprogramming tool for us to become our best version
and what you just talked about
the sandwich model
also connects with my fundamental understanding of hey
(40:26):
live your life in a delicious way right
like you wanna end every message in a delicious way
otherwise it it doesn't
it doesn't work otherwise you
you are not going to be your most delicious self
and that's why I invite everybody
who is in the audience to do
perhaps a quick language audit
(40:49):
yes yes
right like what are you what are you saying to people
we wanna use our language to expand our possibilities
as opposed to limit them and we're
we're conditioned to
to limit our possibilities with our language
and our language can do exactly the opposite
if we put the right intention and practice behind it
(41:12):
to expand the possibilities
and to construct and create and evolve
and that's what how we wanna use our language
and that's what I love about
you know
your focus on language in neuronshine technology and
and coaching training and everything we
(41:33):
we do to shift our language to what's possible
yeah absolutely
me too
because I remember this quote from Napoleon Bonaparte
he says
this was something that I was using in my leadership
communication strategies
class that I've been teaching at UCLA
(41:54):
I was actually teaching that
coming from that perspective
leadership is actually leading people
with hope like a leader is a dealer in hope
I guess that was the quote
I love that one right
a dealer in hope like you gotta give people hope
(42:18):
yes that's
that's that like hope a brighter
a shinier world like possibilities right
yes
haha
going galactic here we go yes
here we go we go galactic
wow we've been talking for a while Nathan
I believe just like dealing with the hope
(42:40):
and then giving people some beautiful
bright possibilities to look forward to
as a beautiful spot to
to leave everything like a cherry on top
do you agree totally yeah
totally yes
well then I would love to ask
do you have any parting thoughts and messages
that you would love to share with our audience
(43:01):
I think I would
to relate it to some of what we've talked about
I would say to connect with
connect with yourself
know your truth yeah
um
coaching is a
whether as a practitioner or a recipient of coaching
I think it's
it's something that's good for all of us yes
(43:24):
um
yes so I might tell someone to hire a coach um
and
and really get to where you feel obstacles in your life
in getting to where you wanna go
know that you can overcome those
(43:45):
and that your truth will show you the way
and it's just kind of clearing past those
other people's opinions ops
and limiting beliefs and all of those kind of things
and on the other side of that is or under it or in it
(44:05):
however it makes sense for you
is your truth
that will really take you to where you wanna go
and coaching is is a is a process to enable that yes
coaching is the modality that we are all
inviting you to experience everyone
(44:26):
coaching is the modern way to authenticity
coaching is today's tool to tap into your truth
especially in our world
at the Academy of Neuro Shine Technology right
so that's why we are actually inviting
anyone to join us
(44:49):
Nathan is one of our faculty trainers
like if you would love to learn
from him and tap into his wisdom
in the corporate world for over two decades now
and obviously in the coaching world
over two decades now a ton of brilliance
a ton of
goodness and shininess that you can actually take in
(45:14):
and really like
have it in your own heart and shared with the world
like that is what we are inviting you
and you can always go to my website and grab that
free PDF guide if you are new to the world of coaching
if you are wondering
I don't know what coaching is like
(45:36):
do I do I need a coach do I need to work with a coach
or do like do I wanna become a coach and why
if you have all these questions totally understandable
go grab the free PDF guide
and that can be your step
the first step and then after that
you can just like connect with us
right Nathan hahaha
I think
(45:56):
you and I are teaching a cohort together in September
so it would be
so fun for anyone watching to join our cohort
mm hmm absolutely
please join us
we are going to do our absolute best to have you
tap into your own truth
(46:17):
and then find out your own gifts
your own strengths
and your own cosmic brilliance that you carry within
right Nathan hahaha yes
absolutely hahaha
that is that is what we bring to the table
and please share this if you like this episode
(46:38):
share it put a like on it
subscribe for more episodes just like this
we are hashtag on a mission so that together
we can co create a brighter world together
so thank you Nathan for thank you shiny
it was so delicious super delicious
so delicious so fun
(46:59):
hahaha and then thank you everybody
do your shiny minds and until next time
keep shining your light bye bye
see go galactic
go galactic then you're in the right
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