March 28, 2024 • 45 mins
On today's show, we talk with the founder of the Clay Lab Network, Jereme Tayamen, a guy whose goal is to create a community around the sport. From balancing a full-time job to shooting shotguns and pistols competitively to creating and growing a clay shooting content hub, Jereme's story is a testament to following your passion and shooting for success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Instagram on the show today Ihave the guy that's behind the
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clay lab and the clay labnetwork.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's a pretty interesting guy that focuses a
lot of his time on making thesport better, whether it be by
podcast or his YouTube channel.
Please welcome to the show,jeremy Tyeman jareem.
(01:36):
What's up, man?
What's going on, dad?
Yeah, so, uh, I call him jareemand that's not his name.
His name's jeremy, but if youlook at the way he spells it,
I'm sure that a lot of peopleget it confused with a bunch of
different names, am I right?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
They do.
Yeah, I get dream.
I get Jerome sometimes, uh, butit's definitely Jeremy, but I'm
good with either.
Or because the score is good.
Scorecard is going to say thesame any way, right?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Do you correct them when they say it no?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just roll with it.
So it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So then your last name is tyeman correct.
Yeah, jeremy tyeman, that'sright all right, so jeremy is is
.
I guess you're now.
I know the clay lab.
Jeremy's is the clay lab now,right yes, that's correct.
So it started back a coupleyears ago with a few other guys
and and now you're, I guess, thevoice behind it, you're the
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videographer, the photographer,the commentator, or whatever you
want to call it.
You do it all, and you don'tjust do that.
You have a full-time job andyou shoot.
I mean, life's busy, right?
You got into pistol shootingtoo yeah, I really did.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Life has been pretty busy, but I think it's kind of a
self-induced way, but you'reabsolutely right, uh, when uh
kind of getting into it like theclay lab, like how it started,
was four guys, like four guysthat just like kind of fell in
love with the sport itself, andit was me, scott, jeremy and, uh
, our buddy named cj.
And then we had, you know, wejust had a really good time.
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We'd gone through the internetlooking for content.
One of the big things was wefound you.
That's how we found you wasdigging for content, because all
of us kind of have like aresearch background, you know
kind of oriented type job, soall of us like dug through what
was out there on the internetand of course, naturally, you
found shotgun sports usa.
I literally can tell you I'velistened to every single podcast
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you have ever published, right,probably multiple times.
So well, if that's good or bad,but you know, no, it's good,
it's good uh.
And then so we, we eventuallygot serious and at that point my
buddy cj, you know whointroduced me to this sport, he
takes credit for all of thatstuff.
So anything I ever do in thissport he wants to take credit
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for, which is awesome becausehe's a good friend.
Um, but it really just turnedinto when we got serious about
the clay lab is, it was scott,jeremy and me and I do get a lot
of questions, so I'm glad youbrought that up about where
those guys kind of went.
Um, yeah, so if you're goodwith it, I'll kind of go into
that question right now.
Yeah, yeah.
So, uh, essentially, uh, we hadgone through, we did our thing,
absolutely loved doing what wedid, but life happened right.
(04:05):
So scott scott's an ent doctor,like he had an awesome
opportunity to to go off andfulfill a fellowship.
So, you know, it made absolutesense and, of course, like in
doing this kind of thing, likerunning a youtube channel and
kind of like building the brandand helping out, build this
sport, like it's very timeintensive and he was really, you
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know, doing the brunt of a lotof the work.
And then Jeremy really justwanted to spend a lot more time
with his family, which wasawesome.
Can't fault him for that,because he was.
He's a great family man, he'sjust a good dude in general.
So, at basically at the end ofthe day, you know, near the end
of last year we kind of likesettled on.
You know, we don't want thisthing to die and I am more than
happy to take this thing onbecause I kind of had ideas for
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what the clay lab I thoughtshould probably grow into,
because I know there's a lot ofthings that we wanted to do and
then people had asked us to do.
Even so, I was kind of able tojust take it on at that point
and grow it into what I saw fit,and naturally, as a planner
cause that's what I do mybackground is I'm a I'm a United
States Marine Corps officer.
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I do planning for a living is Iwas like wait, I can turn this
thing, I think, into somethingthat people would absolutely
love.
The sport deserves Right andrun with it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, You've done a good job with it.
You know when?
Uh, I think I hit y'all up backwhen you started the clay lab I
don't know how many.
I mean it was, it was new andsomeone called me.
You remember that oh.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Absolutely yeah.
Someone called me and said haveyou seen this?
And I said no, so as soon as Iwatched it, I I don't know who I
messaged.
Uh message probably scott, anduh got in touch with y'all.
That's how I met you guys andand y'all did a great job with
it as a team.
But I think you're doing a goodjob, an excellent job with it.
Now, solo, considering that youdon't have, you know, time,
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that if you take time that threeor four people have and put it
together, it's a whole lot moretime than one person.
You know what I mean.
So I think you're doing areally good job with it, man.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
So no, I appreciate it and really right back at you
and that's not me being, youknow, facetious or anything like
that I like dead serious,because I know what kind of
commitment it takes to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Just like shooting the sport itself Like I don't
think anybody's doing anythingin this sport for the money,
like you truly have to have apassion to do anything in this
sport, whether that's shootingit or trying to help grow the
thing, like.
But that's why we all love thisthing, yeah.
So, yeah, I really doappreciate.
Yeah, it's definitely uh, youhave to want to see it grow, to
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continue to do something likethis or like what you're doing,
uh, and you have to constantlystay on top of it.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know know what's going on, where and when and how
and why and uh, yeah, there'sso many things changing at once
when it comes to the sport, likeat some point, like somebody's
the champion, then literallysomebody out of nowhere could be
the new guy on top right, orthere's a new gun coming out
that everybody's just gotta have.
(07:05):
There's just so many thingsthat change.
You know, in this game andinformation is king, I think- oh
yeah, and you're travelingaround.
It seems like more now than youwere when y'all were together,
you know yeah, absolutely yeah,and it's kind of a bittersweet
right like so when it's now thatit's just me, I really kind of
get to do my own thing.
(07:25):
I create my own plans toexecute, and it allows me I
don't have to ask permission oranything like that.
I can just kind of, you know,see what I think people want and
try to deliver it the best Ican.
So, yeah, it's kind of nice.
Yeah, it's really busy.
You know a lot.
There's a lot that goes intoeither creating videos and those
types of things, but like it'senjoyable, that's for sure.
(07:47):
I spend a lot of time behind mycomputer, but every moment I
spend behind a camera I'mactually out there really
enjoying it.
I'm not going to say I enjoyspending time behind a camera
more than I do shooting Uh,cause shooting is definitely my
passion.
But uh, you know, doing thishas definitely provided me with
a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
yeah, that's for sure oh well, now that you're doing
what you're doing and shooting,you have to make time for both.
You know what I'm saying.
Like man, I sure do want to goshoot, make a break, but I
really have to be down here onstation one to get so and so
shooting.
You know you got to kind ofsometimes.
You have to make that choice.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know what I mean oh, I know exactly what you mean
.
I remember spending time at uhbecause last year that would be
2023 was my first nationalchampionships like the first
time I ever visited there,literally back to back, it was
shooting an event, go film,shooting event, go film, like
just all day, every day, justtrying to gather content,
because even if it didn't turninto a video, then the important
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part about just gathering uhfootage, uh it's a big deal
because it might be b-roll laterin something else that people
want to see.
So, yeah, it was just back toback filming, but it's worth it
okay.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So before we get into talking about you, uh, I've
noticed that you've actuallystarted a couple podcasts
through the clay lab and I'mguessing that's kind of like the
clay lab network or or whateveryou want to call it.
Uh, will funnel and kadefeitchy right, or the two you
started yeah, okay, so by youdoing the videos and you have
these extra podcasts or theseother podcasts under the clay
(09:21):
lab, I guess, guess you wouldsay where do you want to see the
clay lab moving towards?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
solving a big problem that we initially had Right.
So, um, the main part about whyI reached out to do that was
because we constantly got a lotof we want more.
That was really what we got.
Um, but we really would refuseto sacrifice on quality, and
beforehand, trying to get allthree of us together to do
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something to create a qualityproduct was just a lot.
So we really couldn't cometogether more often while we try
to all work our professionaljobs that we all have.
So me, being a planner, I wasjust like these sounds like,
sound like lines of effort to me.
Okay.
So if I could divide andconquer, with my main goal being
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providing the community withmore high quality content on a
more frequent basis, then thatjust makes sense to me.
So I'm like okay, that clearlymeans I can't do this myself, so
I'm gonna have to build a teamand that's what I'm used to
doing.
Like, that's my backgroundmeans I can't do this myself, so
I'm going to have to build ateam and that's what I'm used to
doing.
Like that's my background is Ibuild teams to literally solve
problems.
So I literally went searchingfor the right people and already
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knew Will Fennell was going tobe on the team because the
dude's my mentor and coach.
You know he's phenomenal atthis type of stuff.
So we did.
I decided I really wanted tolaunch the podcast, to get more
content out there on a frequentbasis.
So I took care of Will Fennell.
The man has so much knowledgein his head that I could
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literally spend an entire decadejust trying to capture the
information, to try to spread it.
Everything that he has learnedfrom Dan Carlisle, which, of
course, has been spread throughpeople like Anthony Matariz and
I'm not going to lie, I do giveWill crap sometimes because I do
say Anthony is actually myfirst coach, since I watched all
his DVDs first.
Right, I consider AnthonyMatariz technically my first
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coach.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'm surprised you didn't say Gil Ash.
I know that you I know, I knowfor a fact that you went on
YouTube when you first startedand watch.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Gil.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ash.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh, I did, I did, but I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's just give me props.
Come on, Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
He did a great job.
Again, I'm going to giveactually anybody props, anybody
that's willing to put themselvesout online and put themselves
out on YouTube or in any sort ofaudio perspective.
I'm going to give them propsbecause it takes a lot to get
out there.
You're really vulnerable whenyou're out there in front of
either a camera or behind amicrophone.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You really are.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Because you have no idea where it's gonna go.
Like you, what about you?
Right, Like, how many differentcountries are you in?
Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yes, it's a bunch.
I don't know exactly what thenumber is A hundred and
something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know, I didn't know a hundred and
something countries couldunderstand.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Understand what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think they accidentally clicked.
They accidentally clicked on it.
No, it's because they heardyour buttery, smooth voice and
they're like I've got to listento this guy yeah, yeah, that's
exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm surprised that Will Fennell is even able to
record a podcast, because he haszero knowledge when it comes to
technology.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Being technically inclined.
Well, that's okay, though,because that's what I'm here for
.
So that's my part, that's myjob, but his job he's too good
at the information.
He's got in his head, like Isaid, everything from how to
shoot this game, which is superimportant he's just full of
knowledge of, and especiallybecause when we started this and
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we did a couple of videos outthere with him and he's had so
many different students, likeI've had people coming back to
me talking about you know what agreat personality he is and
he's actually genuine, andthings like that because that's
the last thing I want to doright is promote any sort of
brand or person that is notgonna, that isn't genuine, and
that's the best part about thissport is we get to work with a
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lot of different, really goodbrands, uh, and as well as
companies and people, mostlybecause we know that this sport
is probably more about thepeople than it is the sport
itself.
Would you agree or no?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
yeah, I think the people, I think it's both really
.
I mean you got you have thesport, which is where the people
go to you know to be a part ofthat sport and then that's where
we meet them.
So I think it's you know whatI'm saying?
It's it's good people in a goodsport, you know?
And, um, talking about Will, Iwent to Will's place.
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I don't know two, three, fourwhenever Jim Greenwood was there
.
And I'd never been there.
It's a super place That'd beawesome to have in my backyard
you know, unbelievable.
So if you haven't been up to,where's he at South Carolina?
Yep, he's in south carolina, ohyeah go check it out.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I went, yeah really, yeah, really close to rocky
creek.
Yeah, he's really close torocky creek.
Um, I think he's only likeabout an hour south of charlotte
, but it's worth the drive andit takes me five hours to get
there, but I make the haulbecause it's worth going out
there.
Besides, to make sure people Ican spread his content, right,
but, but, but.
For me to personally get outthere and shoot, because it's
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one of my favorite places toshoot, because he could throw
anything out there.
Yes, he's got all of themachines to actually teach me
how to shoot this game, but then, on top of that, he's also
willing to make me a big steakbecause I'm a meat person.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's never made me a steak.
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Well, you better ask him to make you a steak, because
he's good at it.
He can reverse, sear it andeverything.
He's got a guy that tells himexactly how to do it Goes to the
butcher.
I think I literally ate a threepound ribeye that he made me in
one sitting with him on thecarnivore diet.
But yeah, no, it's legit.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So he's a good cook, great coach, great mentor, for
sure yeah, okay, so let's let'sget into to you a little bit.
I know that, uh, you and yourwife I see a lot of content
about both of you shooting butbefore she started shooting, you
started shooting and and tellme that kind of go through the
road of of how you got to whereyou are now as far as shooting
is concerned, how long ago wasit?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, right on, yeah.
So I can tell you right off thebat, I love my sponsors.
My number one sponsor, though,is my wife.
I think most people canprobably say that, right,
they're the ones that put upwith us throughout this entire
shooting journey, as we gothrough the highs and lows that
this sport brings with it.
But, really, I'll tie that backto CJ.
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Cj was my boss that I workedwith, and he took me out skeet
shooting for the first time backin like October of 2021.
I think it was Yep, and he tookme skeet shooting.
It was the first time I'dreally shot clay targets out of
the air.
Besides, when I had thrown themback in college, just like
throw them up in the air andkind of just shot them because I
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thought it was cool, um, but wewent to the skeet field and I
got humbled really quickly.
I'll tell you what as a marine,we like challenges and we don't
like failing, right.
Right, that game humbled mereally quickly, so a passion
kind of got sparked reallyquickly for just shooting clays
in general, right, well, then Ishot, you know, skeet at the
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skeet field for like two months,and then I shot a 25 straight
and I was like, well, this iskind of boring.
No offense love skeet shootersappreciate the discipline and I
understand it that that's whatit takes, because when you shoot
a 400 straight, holy crap, thatis discipline like that's
impressive.
Yes, not for me, though not forme though right.
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So I shot like my first register.
Then he was like hey, you wantto see something cool.
Then we went up to hunter'spoint and we shot uh, sporting
clays for the first time.
I was instantly hooked.
I was done.
After that I was was ready tofall head over heels, buy the
Can-Am, buy the expensiveshotgun.
When I fall I fall hard forthings, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You did do that, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I was ready at that point.
I did yeah.
Yeah, that's part of theshooting journey, I think.
Yeah, I think a lot of folksget into this and they learn a
couple of different things.
So kind of they learn a coupleof different things.
So kind of taking you throughmy journey with this is you know
, I started shooting sportingclass 2021, you know, very end
of 2021.
So 2022 is really my firstseason getting into this and you
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know, just like everybody else,I wanted to make master class
as fast as I could.
I ended up making it in like ayear and a half, but that's
irrelevant now that I look backat this, because I look back and
I wanted to be masterclass sobad that I think I skipped a few
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steps along the journey and ittook me probably till year two
to learn some of the things thatwould have helped me, um,
earlier on?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
What are those?
You know one of the, give me anexample.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So so one of the examples was, uh, I shot every
tournament every single weekend,every event that was ever
available, right, I went justfull bore, uh, with everything
when it came to shooting.
Shooting that means sub gaugeand all right, and I know it
might be an unpopular, uh,opinion, honestly, but one of
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the things that I had learnedwas, when you go to a big event
because I shot the majors too,um, you know, but I did shoot a
lot of locals as well but when Iwent to the majors, I shot
everything like every type ofsub gauge that was ever made.
You know, uh, from 28, 410, 28,20 gauge, 12 gauge, sub gauge,
right, super sporty five standlike it's all there.
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They are all awesome games, butyou know, on my schedule, when
you only got three days to shoot, you know, maybe don't shoot 12
, 1400, you know targets, youknow, in three days, yeah, it's
kind of a lot you know.
So that was one of those thingsthat I learned really quickly
was like okay, at some point,your energy itself, the muscles
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you have inside of your body,particularly your eyes as,
thankfully, clay lab has enabledme to actually learn is get to
meet people like Dr Polo, workwith some of the folks when it
just comes to learning aboutthis game, it's not really like
your shoulder and your bodythat's going to give out.
First, it's probably your eyes.
And in this sport, when you'relosing by one or two targets at
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each one of the levels whetheryou're in C class, class, you
know, you're even master classfor sure you're losing by like
one or two targets at timesthat's probably your eyes giving
out to me.
In my opinion and again I'mgoing to preface all of this
with not a champion, just myopinion as an average guy coming
through right right I mean itbe it could be several different
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things, but eyes coulddefinitely be one of them, for
sure.
Yeah, and you know, and um I'llalso preface this with this is
exactly why we actually neverdid Um, and we purposefully
never did instructional type ofthings, cause we got a lot of
requests actually, uh, forinstructional type of videos.
(20:34):
Yeah, that's's, that's notgoing to be us.
I'm not going to teach you howto shoot a rabbit, right like
there are actual professionalsthat you try to do that so
you're not trying to be a coachno, no, not yet.
Actually.
I know I have a lot to learn inthis game.
I think eventually one day Iwould like to be right and I'll
take that up with fennel at somepoint because I like his school
yeah, well, there you go, soyou learned a lot sorry yeah,
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yes, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So you learned a lot coming up, and I did too, and
I'll tell you something that Ilearned, or I thought about as I
started shooting and goingthrough the classes, was I've
got a lot of questions that alot of people answer.
Now that I look back on it,they answer the questions
correctly, but they're notanswering them Like I need to
hear them, like I've talkedabout this a hundred times, but
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you need to watch the bird.
Well, I, you know I am, butcorrectly telling you how to
watch the bird.
You know what I'm saying?
That's kind of what I thoughtabout, like nobody's really told
me correctly how to watch thebird, like I do look at it.
So that's kind of what I learnedcoming up through and I thought
you know I'm always rememberthese kinds of questions because
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I had them.
You know, yeah, you know what Imean.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh no, I do.
I definitely know what you meanbecause I think you know this
thing at the bird, it'll catchon eventually, I think right,
but yeah, the millions ofdifferent people have told you
that that's the solution.
Well, I mean, I think it'seasier said than done and I
think people will just gothrough and hit a point in their
game where they trulyunderstand what that means.
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And the only way to expeditethe process to understanding
what that means is actuallygetting a good coach, like
somebody and when I say goodcoach, I mean somebody that's
truly a coach and is actuallygoing to explain to you and be
able to communicate with you,because there are plenty of
people that are good at whatthey do, you know, just like any
other type of profession.
But if, if you're just not agood match, or if it just
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doesn't make sense, there's nochemistry there, then you're not
going to understand them.
You can literally have twodifferent people telling you the
same thing, but it just makessense when this guy says it
Right, like, yeah, that that's.
That's finding a coach to helpyou expedite and accelerate your
process through this game, andthat's one of the biggest things
you know I learned goingthrough this game.
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Um, there's a couple of randompieces of advices that I give to
folks.
You know, throughout my journeythat I've learned, you know,
over I think at this point it'sjust it's just three years of
learning how to try to shootthis game is.
There's a couple of things.
Is coaches are there to helpyou expedite the process?
There's a reason why these guyshave, these guys are doing what
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they do.
It's because they've missed waymore targets than you have.
They've already been whereyou've been.
They've thought about buyingthe high rib gun that you're
thinking about buying.
You know that you shouldn't notsaying you shouldn't, I'm just
saying they've thought about allof the different scenarios that
you've gone through already andthey've helped other people
through this.
Help navigate that.
That course.
(23:31):
That's what a coach is there todo, not just help you figure out
how to shoot a crossing target.
You know what I mean.
Oh, yeah, it's not just abouthow do you hit quartering verge,
how do you hit 50 yard crossers.
You know, yeah, they're,they're gonna do that too, but
you know you find a good coachand you're gonna be able to, you
know, text them or they're evengonna text you because they've
been tracking you because theycan see score chaser as well.
(23:54):
Right Like you can just pull upscore chaser and see what their
students are doing and be likehey, you know nice work, bud
Like or hey, you know what'sgoing on.
You know if they know that youcan shoot, you know better than
how you're doing.
Uh, compared to the competition, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, All of that.
Now, who was when you started?
Did you have a coach?
Or just kind of figure it outon your own for the first little
bit.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh, I'm stubborn, of course.
I tried to figure this stuffout on my own.
I was like how hard could it be?
We're just shooting things outof the sky, yeah it's funny to
take somebody shooting like you.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You know what I'm talking about.
You take somebody shooting andthey're like, oh, how hard can
this be?
Then they get out there andit's a little different than you
think it is.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh, absolutely.
There's not supposed to beanything inherently obvious
about to shoot something movingthrough the sky that you're
supposed to shoot in front of it.
Well, the question is, by howmuch?
But the weird part is theanswer is just look at it, right
.
Just look at it, yeah, rightyeah, yeah, just look at it yeah
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, so yeah, I actually had a fewcoaches.
Actually, my shooting journeywas me trying to figure this out
by myself.
That wasn't working out so hot.
I was able to, of course, getthrough.
You know, some of the lowerclasses, you know, win some
stuff here and there and it wasawesome, it was cool.
But I'm all about efficiencyand when it comes to efficiency,
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somebody else that knows how todo this better you got to be
humble.
People can teach you some stuff.
So, like I said, anthonyMatariz he's technically
probably my first coach Watchedall of his DVDs, have all of
them still.
They're awesome to pick back upon every now and then, uh.
So I watched all of those, gota little bit better.
I felt like um, and then Iactually uh, met cameron hicks.
(25:45):
At that point he's a hell of atrap.
Taught me how to shoot traplike crazy.
Uh.
From there, uh, I startedworking with will fennel, really
when this clay lab startedcoming online, right, and then
from there it was really just hewas my coach and mentor.
You know, just going forward atthat point yeah, yeah, um, what
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about your wife?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
so you're you talk about your wife.
Is your your biggest, I guessyour biggest supporter?
Or your number one sponsor.
However, whatever you want tosay, how, how does she take to
you doing this as much as youhave been doing it?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
and and, uh, how supportive has she been so my
wife abby, she's supersupportive when it comes to this
sport and I couldn't be morethankful for it, because this is
a sport that definitely has meaway from home a lot, um, just
trying to attain some of myshooting goals and, of course,
you know, trying to get a lot ofthe filming done as well, so
that way we can produce content.
(26:40):
But really it's not a cheapsport, like you know.
I don't think anybody shootingthis sport right now or
listening to this podcast thinksit is uh so.
So she, she's absolutelysupportive of it because she
knows that the passion is therefor it.
And I'm that kind of personthat when I, like I said, when I
find the thing that I'mpassionate about like I'm just
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going to go full bore at it,yeah, and she started shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
How'd you get?
Her into it Just because shegoes with you.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Is that how she got into it?
She did, and I want to say itwas the Can-Am that got her into
it at first because it wasreally cool to be in and I'm not
going to lie during the wintertimes.
I think I even posted a videoabout it, but she would be in
there.
That's how supportive she is.
Right, she's in the Can-Am withthe window rolled up and the
heat on, with the actualcontroller to actually listen to
(27:33):
me call, pull and then shewould hit the buttons from
inside the warm can-am for me.
But yeah, she got.
She's pretty smart herself.
She actually no, she's verysmart.
Yeah, that's why I married her.
Like that's the goal inmarriage, I think, is actually
always marry somebody smarterthan you.
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, butuh, but she's also decently
talented.
(27:53):
She has never gotten it reallyinto the competition side of
shooting.
I signed her up anyways justbecause she was going to be
there and she enjoys kind ofjust spending time out on the
range.
But she actually has a habit ofstealing my like either backup
guns or like my primary guns,whether that's a pistol like my
old glock 19 that I built outand she was like I like this,
(28:15):
it's mine.
Well, that's what happened.
Like my old glock 19 that Ibuilt out and she was like I,
like this, it's mine.
Well, that's what happened tomy beretta a400, right like that
was my backup gun and all of asudden now I've got to cut the
stock on it to fit her.
And then guess what?
Now I don't have a backup gunthat's all right.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So you've been shooting a krigoff since you
started, right, is that right?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
uh, actually so started.
No, I kind of had like a wholegun journey.
I think people go through thistoo.
It's a whole nother thing aswell as it has.
Like I started with a brownie725 okay, all right, and kind of
tying it back into what wetalked about with one of the
lessons learned.
I will always tell people, ifyou already have a good gun that
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kind of fits you, that fits youdecently and it points well
with you Awesome, before youmake that giant leap, awesome,
go get a coach.
Spend a bunch of money onlessons and a bunch of money on
shells, because that's going topay you dividends in the long
run.
You'll eventually end up with areally nice gun.
You will because your heart'sgoing to keep you in this game
(29:16):
for a long time.
You'll eventually end up withthat gun, but in the beginning,
yeah.
If in the beginning you got abeautiful semi-auto like a 400,
there a reason why that gun's,like, won championships, it's
good enough.
I promise you know I mean so.
Before you go in a leap, takethat leap and, you know, jump
into that 10, 15 000 dream gunthat you've always had like.
(29:40):
Put it towards lessons, buy apallet of ammo, you know, do
what you can there before youspend the money doing that type
of thing yeah, you're talkingabout classes a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Uh, I guess I know, you're familiar with the, the
class changes this year.
What do you think about those?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I'm interested to see how they work out.
Um again.
So I I got sorry I didn't talkabout it before but, like, one
of the things that really got mehooked into this sport was the
PSCA.
Like it filmed awesomely, itwas great to see it.
I've seen every single episodeover and over again.
So, for there to be aprofessional class, which I
(30:20):
think what in 2025, they weretalking about starting that.
So, yeah, I think in two Ithink it was in like 2025, they
were planning on starting aprofessional class.
When it came to either just themajors.
So we're talking about theregionals, nationals and I think
the U S open, that there was a,that there was a pro class
(30:42):
essentially, and they're workingout how that's going to work
out from a numbers perspectiveof it dipping into the master
class.
But I've I've never really hada problem with it because, at
the end of the day, I don'tthink it really matters what
class you're in, right, and Iactually remember speaking with
uh camera at this point and heactually preferred a lot of his
students to declare into doublea, and I think that that's
(31:04):
perfectly fair if your goals arenot to win money throughout the
journey and you're okay withthat and you truly want to be
good at this sport.
To be good at it not for thenotoriety or to be able to post
on Instagram that you won C1,which is awesome.
But if that's not what you careabout and you truly just want
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to be really good at this sport,cool, declare into double a and
then get after it, because atthat point you know your scores
are going to be what they areand you know where you finish
out in double a to theneventually punch into
masterclass.
It is what it is.
I think that you know it'sperfectly fine way.
But if you want to, you want ametric.
(31:46):
I think it helps a metric tohelp gauge yourself as you grow
throughout your shooting journey, then that's pretty awesome.
So you know I'm I'm neither herenor there about the actual
classification system, but Ithink it took me a while to
eventually get there.
Like I mentioned before, like Ijust I just wanted to be a
master class when I started thisand then I figured out that I'm
(32:07):
like, how old was I?
I'm like 32 or something likethat 33 master class, in no
concurrence.
So I have like the absolute,absolute lowest chances of
winning anything at a shoot,right?
So like, basically, anytime Igo shoot as a master class
shooter, I have to beat BrandonPowell powell, right.
(32:30):
Like okay, cool, how about wejust make this really good
practice?
Then, yeah, I mean, no, I'm,I'm there to compete, but god,
you know, that's, that's what Ihave to deal with that boy's
been wearing it out this year mygod, yeah, he has.
I just watched him at the gatorcup.
I got to watch him in theshootout man.
He cleaned the first section ofthe make a break, really just
(32:53):
cleaned it in the final shoot.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for uh, firstand second between him and
connor daniels.
Connor daniels is a wicked shot, right, but yeah, brandon gets
up there and just cleans thefirst section of it, that's
crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He like was a lot of people watching because that's
what he likes oh yeah, there's alot of people I'd be dropping
shells on the ground, puttingyou know safety beyond.
Something would happen.
I mean he gets up there andloves it, so I don't know yeah,
I think I'm actually going topublish the video of it.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know whenever this thing comes out, but you
know there'll be a video of it,a capture it on video.
I think it was also a goodexcuse for me to really get up
there and be like two feet awayfrom the shooters yeah, oh yeah
yeah, I just enjoy watching thesport, yeah so you were.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How do you know where you're gonna video something,
do you?
Are you always carrying yourstuff around with you?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I am most of the time , um, yeah, so uh, you know I
mentioned I'm a planner, sothat's kind of what I do.
So I kind of take a look at whatmy schedule is, which I'm very
thankful for.
Folks like score chaser, youknow that they can literally
print me out a schedule, or thatI can build my own schedule,
(34:09):
and then I can print that thingout and kind of take a look at
some of the folks that I knoware going to be in the area and
then take a look at schedulingthings around my shooting, their
shooting, and then kind of justmake it happen from there.
Sometimes some events arebetter than others.
You know, sometimes I'm reallyjust there to focus kind of on
my shooting game and then othertimes like I'm just like, hey,
you know, I just I really dowant to capture some content for
some folks and it's a goodopportunity.
So, yeah, I'm generally goingto run around with my backpack
full of equipment.
(34:29):
At that point I travel witheverything.
Now, right, that's like evenstudio lights and everything,
because I want to make sure Iprovide a good product for
everybody you carry studiolights with you yeah, they're
two, they're pop-up studiolights.
you know that I use for, likeeither video, podcasts, uh, like
you know some of the stuff Iknow we're going to work with
together, you know, in thefuture.
(34:50):
But like, yeah, there's studiolights.
You know I'll carry thosearound with me.
They're pop-ups, they'reperfect, like exactly what we
need because lighting'simportant, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And if it was up to me, I'd have an iPhone and a
flashlight and that would bejust fine.
We're supposed to be doingsomething.
We're supposed to be doingsomething down at the regional
in Savannah together and, uh,jeremy Jeremy was talking about
hey, you know where are we goingto do this at.
And I said, well, I got atrailer we can do it inside of.
(35:21):
He's like no man, that's notgoing to look good look good.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean, it would look fine to me.
I know you would have the audiocovered and you'd be sound
amazing, but I can't work with atrailer like I'm not that good,
okay it would have air in itair doesn't show up on video
that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So, yeah, it's uh, I'm kind of excited to see what,
what you've got planned andwhat you're going to do with, uh
, with the clay lab.
I know that I've had a lot ofgood ideas in the past about
what to do with video, but I'veknown nothing about video so I
never try it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So do you think?
You think, johnny?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
carter and all those guys.
Are they kind of a?
You kind of watch what they doso you can kind of get some good
ideas, or I know y'all knoweach other oh, I always do.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
And johnny, oh, he's the man.
Yeah, johnny carter is great.
I definitely linked up with himwhen we were at nationals
together and yeah, none of itwas on video because it we have
a genuine, just good friendship,which is awesome, so great man.
And yeah, of course, I watchtheir content.
Everything that comes out.
You know, past and present,like like I'm going to be
(36:28):
watching, but that's just causeI'm also a consumer of YouTube.
Like I don't have I don't havecable TV or anything like that.
I literally spend all my timemy free time, if you will on
YouTube, just watching stuff.
So, yeah, johnny's definitelyat the top of the list for
anything that comes out that hedoes.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, youtube's man it's.
My son says he's gettingsmarter because of youtube.
I think he's getting dumberbecause of youtube, but I mean
he may be right.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't know, you know there's so much.
No, he's, he's got to be right.
I actually learned how to ridea motorcycle on youtube.
I'm not even kidding you likebefore I got my motorcycle
license, I was watching youtubeabout how to ride a motorcycle
and I studied it and again.
But that's why we do this isbecause certain people absorb
(37:13):
information differently, andvisually is a huge visual
learning.
It's a huge portion for a lotof people.
So I learned how to ride amotorcycle boom.
Never had an issue riding abike, besides when I was maybe
stuck riding but yeah, so talkabout your pistol shooting
you're doing now terrible newhabit, just because I think that
(37:33):
that's the the marine inside ofme that just I like shooting.
It's just the way it is, yeah,uh.
So I went shooting for thefirst time, uh, at a uspsa event
and uh also really, reallyenjoyed that.
I had the opportunity to shoota couple qualifiers and, just
like their class system, I wasable to qualify as a b-class,
(37:55):
limited optic shooter, whichmeans I shoot like a 2011
platform and, of course, I wasshooting a staccato when I first
started.
And then I went head over heelsand bought this beautiful, like
masterpiece arms, like blackand gold pistol and nine
millimeter, you know, doublestack 1911 and but it's been
something else to keep me busyon the weekend, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But sporting clay, thankfully, is my passion when
you go to a pistol tournament,never doing that, I'm assuming.
How did how?
Was that going to one of thosetournaments like, were you kind
of lost?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
so I I'm, uh, I'm a humble person and I literally
like put my hands up and I'mjust like I'm nick the new guy.
Like you know, as long as youshow up, knowing the safety
rules, you're all good.
That's been just bred into mefrom what I do, uh.
But yeah, as long as you'resafe, you're good.
I watch people just kind ofwalk through the courses super
(38:49):
slow, you know, to get theirshots and they're perfectly
placed, you know.
But they end up, you know, atthe bottom of the list because
it's also about speed in thisgame, you know.
And then, every now and then,I'll push the little limits
myself and pretend like I'm johnwick.
You know it's, it's fun, yeah,yeah so I just enjoy shooting
it's, it's fun.
Yeah, yeah, so I just enjoyshooting.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It looks like it's intimidating Like my.
I couldn't see me gettingaround that course too fast.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
It doesn't, really, it doesn't matter, you take it
as fast as you can.
It's kind of like this sportright, like shooting a 50 yard
cross or is intimidating, youknow, at first.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And then that's the only target you want to practice
when you go to the range, right, yeah, for some people, so do
you?
I guess you see yourselfshooting some of that as well as
sporting clays in.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You got the right now then.
Yeah, but sporting clays is mypassion, it really is.
Um, it's just every now andthen I kind of just need a break
from what I do.
So yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I enjoy it.
So what's next?
What's next for you?
What's next for the clay lab?
What's what you got going onnext?
Where are you going next?
Just what's what's up.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, really big news is that.
Uh, I got orders down toFlorida.
So the clay labs going tropical, as my wife wanted to say, um,
that was the big thing, likeclay labs going tropical is that
what you told me?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
the big news was no, no, no, that was something else,
oh wait on that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
But but no, so I am definitely going to florida.
Okay, I'm gonna be in the eraand you know, hunter's point has
always been my home clubbecause I've only been shooting
this, you know, for three yearsand the Oliver's have been
amazing.
They've been amazing people andI'm glad that they've put up
with me this entire time.
But yes, we are moving down toTampa Florida area, so I am
(40:39):
looking for a new home downthere in Tampa and you know,
what's been awesome about thiscommunity is the moment I put up
that clay lab was goingtropical.
I had so many different peoplelike making recommendations for
places in florida and I even hadone of our subscribers send me
a map overlay for google mapsthat had every single sporting
(41:06):
clays range already on it and Iwas just like, oh my god,
there's a bunch of my kind ofplace.
Yeah, there's a bunch.
It's year-round shooting likeI'm gonna tell you what, as a
hawaiian, that's perfect,because I am a fair weather
shooter, you're hawaiian is thatwhat you are?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
yeah, hawaiian and filipino oh, somebody told me
you're mexican no hawaiian andfilipino.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
To be fair, though, the last name time, and I think
is actually, uh like, a spanishlike, has spanish origins or
something like that yeah, maybethat's why they said that.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
You might be related to Zach or something as well as
no, no, but I am planning onlinking up with those folks down
at southeast, uh, so I'mlooking forward to seeing those
guys down there.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, so have you been to?
Have you been to uh four city?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
oh, yes, yeah, we shot, uh, georgia state
championship.
Okay, first of all, let me backup here.
That is the best uh gift I'veever gotten from a shoot.
It was like a 1300 bucket forme, but we shot the georgia
state championship.
I think it was maybe like 2022or something like that, and they
(42:22):
gave us this like heavy dutybucket with like a rope yep,
actual uh, you know thing likethat's the best bucket I've ever
gotten.
It definitely is.
I remember that.
That was that.
Yeah, it was that four city,four city gun club.
That club, like even JeremySmock won't stop talking about
that club because it is awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Like I'm looking forward to it.
Is your wife going with you?
She is not, and again, that'swhy she's the best sponsor,
because she's got to take careof my two dobermans and black
lab.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, my babies , those are my babies well,
we'll, uh, I'll catch up withyou down there for sure.
The podcast that you you're nowproducing for these guys, uh,
tell me what the names of themare, or tell the listeners what
the names are and how they canfind them, so they can go check
them out yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
People can uh, whether it's either on youtube
itself, on spotify, um applepodcasts and even amazon music.
They can go and look up theclay lab network and you'll be
able to find all of our podcasts.
So any of the video podcaststhat I do, I convert them into
audio only and then we'll postthose as podcasts, and then any
(43:30):
of, uh well, fennels podcast,the fennel shotgun shooting
podcast, and then as well asKate Fetchy's podcast.
Those will all be able to uh beheard on any of those platforms
, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, and you want to look at the clay lab?
Just go to YouTube, type it inand you can watch some of those
videos.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Really good, you cover what you're covering, you
do a good job at it and uh, gocheck them out for sure we try
to, and that's really about,like that huge mixture and I
didn't even bring up like thearticles that we had started
here started doing, and it'sreally huge because I think that
that's a big part of this and Ithink people are really
enjoying that is especially theshooter spotlight.
(44:10):
So, besides any of the othertype of content that I'm trying
to make sure I cover is theshooter spotlights, because
there's a lot of good shootersout there that they just, you
know they're not good at thesocial media type of game or
anything like that, but theydeserve the spotlight.
Like we have some phenomenalshooters, like I know you know
plenty of them yeah, and there's.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
There's a lot of them that, uh, I think there's a lot
of them that probably wouldn'twrite anything, but there's a
lot of them that you can go upwith a little recorder and talk
to them and get a pretty goodarticle out of it.
Oh, absolutely so.
I think what you're doing isway too much for me to do.
I'm talking about you have tobe sitting behind a computer
constantly when you're notworking or shooting.
(44:53):
It's just unbelievable.
I appreciate, I appreciate,brother.
I got a pretty good computer tosit behind, but no, I appreciate
it but you're doing good, man,and uh, you know, I'll, uh, I'll
see you down at southeast andand uh, we'll catch up there for
sure, and maybe have some coolstuff coming out.
Just bring the video camerawith you.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Oh, I will, All three of them.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
There you go, all right.
Well, there he is, jareem.
Tyeman.
Appreciate you coming on buddy.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I hate you.
Thanks, brother, all right,good seeing you, We'll see you.
Peace, peace, peace, peace,peace, peace, peace, peace,
peace, peace peace peace, peace,peace, peace, peace, peace,
peace, peace, peace, peace peace.
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clay lab and the clay labnetwork.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's a pretty interesting guy that focuses a
lot of his time on making thesport better, whether it be by
podcast or his YouTube channel.
Please welcome to the show,jeremy Tyeman jareem.
(01:36):
What's up, man?
What's going on, dad?
Yeah, so, uh, I call him jareemand that's not his name.
His name's jeremy, but if youlook at the way he spells it,
I'm sure that a lot of peopleget it confused with a bunch of
different names, am I right?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
They do.
Yeah, I get dream.
I get Jerome sometimes, uh, butit's definitely Jeremy, but I'm
good with either.
Or because the score is good.
Scorecard is going to say thesame any way, right?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Do you correct them when they say it no?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just roll with it.
So it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So then your last name is tyeman correct.
Yeah, jeremy tyeman, that'sright all right, so jeremy is is
.
I guess you're now.
I know the clay lab.
Jeremy's is the clay lab now,right yes, that's correct.
So it started back a coupleyears ago with a few other guys
and and now you're, I guess, thevoice behind it, you're the
(02:22):
videographer, the photographer,the commentator, or whatever you
want to call it.
You do it all, and you don'tjust do that.
You have a full-time job andyou shoot.
I mean, life's busy, right?
You got into pistol shootingtoo yeah, I really did.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Life has been pretty busy, but I think it's kind of a
self-induced way, but you'reabsolutely right, uh, when uh
kind of getting into it like theclay lab, like how it started,
was four guys, like four guysthat just like kind of fell in
love with the sport itself, andit was me, scott, jeremy and, uh
, our buddy named cj.
And then we had, you know, wejust had a really good time.
(02:59):
We'd gone through the internetlooking for content.
One of the big things was wefound you.
That's how we found you wasdigging for content, because all
of us kind of have like aresearch background, you know
kind of oriented type job, soall of us like dug through what
was out there on the internetand of course, naturally, you
found shotgun sports usa.
I literally can tell you I'velistened to every single podcast
(03:21):
you have ever published, right,probably multiple times.
So well, if that's good or bad,but you know, no, it's good,
it's good uh.
And then so we, we eventuallygot serious and at that point my
buddy cj, you know whointroduced me to this sport, he
takes credit for all of thatstuff.
So anything I ever do in thissport he wants to take credit
(03:41):
for, which is awesome becausehe's a good friend.
Um, but it really just turnedinto when we got serious about
the clay lab is, it was scott,jeremy and me and I do get a lot
of questions, so I'm glad youbrought that up about where
those guys kind of went.
Um, yeah, so if you're goodwith it, I'll kind of go into
that question right now.
Yeah, yeah.
So, uh, essentially, uh, we hadgone through, we did our thing,
absolutely loved doing what wedid, but life happened right.
(04:05):
So scott scott's an ent doctor,like he had an awesome
opportunity to to go off andfulfill a fellowship.
So, you know, it made absolutesense and, of course, like in
doing this kind of thing, likerunning a youtube channel and
kind of like building the brandand helping out, build this
sport, like it's very timeintensive and he was really, you
(04:26):
know, doing the brunt of a lotof the work.
And then Jeremy really justwanted to spend a lot more time
with his family, which wasawesome.
Can't fault him for that,because he was.
He's a great family man, he'sjust a good dude in general.
So, at basically at the end ofthe day, you know, near the end
of last year we kind of likesettled on.
You know, we don't want thisthing to die and I am more than
happy to take this thing onbecause I kind of had ideas for
(04:48):
what the clay lab I thoughtshould probably grow into,
because I know there's a lot ofthings that we wanted to do and
then people had asked us to do.
Even so, I was kind of able tojust take it on at that point
and grow it into what I saw fit,and naturally, as a planner
cause that's what I do mybackground is I'm a I'm a United
States Marine Corps officer.
(05:09):
I do planning for a living is Iwas like wait, I can turn this
thing, I think, into somethingthat people would absolutely
love.
The sport deserves Right andrun with it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, You've done a good job with it.
You know when?
Uh, I think I hit y'all up backwhen you started the clay lab I
don't know how many.
I mean it was, it was new andsomeone called me.
You remember that oh.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Absolutely yeah.
Someone called me and said haveyou seen this?
And I said no, so as soon as Iwatched it, I I don't know who I
messaged.
Uh message probably scott, anduh got in touch with y'all.
That's how I met you guys andand y'all did a great job with
it as a team.
But I think you're doing a goodjob, an excellent job with it.
Now, solo, considering that youdon't have, you know, time,
(05:56):
that if you take time that threeor four people have and put it
together, it's a whole lot moretime than one person.
You know what I mean.
So I think you're doing areally good job with it, man.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
So no, I appreciate it and really right back at you
and that's not me being, youknow, facetious or anything like
that I like dead serious,because I know what kind of
commitment it takes to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Just like shooting the sport itself Like I don't
think anybody's doing anythingin this sport for the money,
like you truly have to have apassion to do anything in this
sport, whether that's shootingit or trying to help grow the
thing, like.
But that's why we all love thisthing, yeah.
So, yeah, I really doappreciate.
Yeah, it's definitely uh, youhave to want to see it grow, to
(06:37):
continue to do something likethis or like what you're doing,
uh, and you have to constantlystay on top of it.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know know what's going on, where and when and how
and why and uh, yeah, there'sso many things changing at once
when it comes to the sport, likeat some point, like somebody's
the champion, then literallysomebody out of nowhere could be
the new guy on top right, orthere's a new gun coming out
that everybody's just gotta have.
(07:05):
There's just so many thingsthat change.
You know, in this game andinformation is king, I think- oh
yeah, and you're travelingaround.
It seems like more now than youwere when y'all were together,
you know yeah, absolutely yeah,and it's kind of a bittersweet
right like so when it's now thatit's just me, I really kind of
get to do my own thing.
(07:25):
I create my own plans toexecute, and it allows me I
don't have to ask permission oranything like that.
I can just kind of, you know,see what I think people want and
try to deliver it the best Ican.
So, yeah, it's kind of nice.
Yeah, it's really busy.
You know a lot.
There's a lot that goes intoeither creating videos and those
types of things, but like it'senjoyable, that's for sure.
(07:47):
I spend a lot of time behind mycomputer, but every moment I
spend behind a camera I'mactually out there really
enjoying it.
I'm not going to say I enjoyspending time behind a camera
more than I do shooting Uh,cause shooting is definitely my
passion.
But uh, you know, doing thishas definitely provided me with
a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
yeah, that's for sure oh well, now that you're doing
what you're doing and shooting,you have to make time for both.
You know what I'm saying.
Like man, I sure do want to goshoot, make a break, but I
really have to be down here onstation one to get so and so
shooting.
You know you got to kind ofsometimes.
You have to make that choice.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know what I mean oh, I know exactly what you mean
.
I remember spending time at uhbecause last year that would be
2023 was my first nationalchampionships like the first
time I ever visited there,literally back to back, it was
shooting an event, go film,shooting event, go film, like
just all day, every day, justtrying to gather content,
because even if it didn't turninto a video, then the important
(08:44):
part about just gathering uhfootage, uh it's a big deal
because it might be b-roll laterin something else that people
want to see.
So, yeah, it was just back toback filming, but it's worth it
okay.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So before we get into talking about you, uh, I've
noticed that you've actuallystarted a couple podcasts
through the clay lab and I'mguessing that's kind of like the
clay lab network or or whateveryou want to call it.
Uh, will funnel and kadefeitchy right, or the two you
started yeah, okay, so by youdoing the videos and you have
these extra podcasts or theseother podcasts under the clay
(09:21):
lab, I guess, guess you wouldsay where do you want to see the
clay lab moving towards?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
solving a big problem that we initially had Right.
So, um, the main part about whyI reached out to do that was
because we constantly got a lotof we want more.
That was really what we got.
Um, but we really would refuseto sacrifice on quality, and
beforehand, trying to get allthree of us together to do
(09:49):
something to create a qualityproduct was just a lot.
So we really couldn't cometogether more often while we try
to all work our professionaljobs that we all have.
So me, being a planner, I wasjust like these sounds like,
sound like lines of effort to me.
Okay.
So if I could divide andconquer, with my main goal being
(10:12):
providing the community withmore high quality content on a
more frequent basis, then thatjust makes sense to me.
So I'm like okay, that clearlymeans I can't do this myself, so
I'm gonna have to build a teamand that's what I'm used to
doing.
Like, that's my backgroundmeans I can't do this myself, so
I'm going to have to build ateam and that's what I'm used to
doing.
Like that's my background is Ibuild teams to literally solve
problems.
So I literally went searchingfor the right people and already
(10:32):
knew Will Fennell was going tobe on the team because the
dude's my mentor and coach.
You know he's phenomenal atthis type of stuff.
So we did.
I decided I really wanted tolaunch the podcast, to get more
content out there on a frequentbasis.
So I took care of Will Fennell.
The man has so much knowledgein his head that I could
(10:54):
literally spend an entire decadejust trying to capture the
information, to try to spread it.
Everything that he has learnedfrom Dan Carlisle, which, of
course, has been spread throughpeople like Anthony Matariz and
I'm not going to lie, I do giveWill crap sometimes because I do
say Anthony is actually myfirst coach, since I watched all
his DVDs first.
Right, I consider AnthonyMatariz technically my first
(11:18):
coach.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'm surprised you didn't say Gil Ash.
I know that you I know, I knowfor a fact that you went on
YouTube when you first startedand watch.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Gil.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ash.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh, I did, I did, but I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's just give me props.
Come on, Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
He did a great job.
Again, I'm going to giveactually anybody props, anybody
that's willing to put themselvesout online and put themselves
out on YouTube or in any sort ofaudio perspective.
I'm going to give them propsbecause it takes a lot to get
out there.
You're really vulnerable whenyou're out there in front of
either a camera or behind amicrophone.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You really are.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Because you have no idea where it's gonna go.
Like you, what about you?
Right, Like, how many differentcountries are you in?
Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yes, it's a bunch.
I don't know exactly what thenumber is A hundred and
something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know, I didn't know a hundred and
something countries couldunderstand.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Understand what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think they accidentally clicked.
They accidentally clicked on it.
No, it's because they heardyour buttery, smooth voice and
they're like I've got to listento this guy yeah, yeah, that's
exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm surprised that Will Fennell is even able to
record a podcast, because he haszero knowledge when it comes to
technology.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Being technically inclined.
Well, that's okay, though,because that's what I'm here for
.
So that's my part, that's myjob, but his job he's too good
at the information.
He's got in his head, like Isaid, everything from how to
shoot this game, which is superimportant he's just full of
knowledge of, and especiallybecause when we started this and
(13:03):
we did a couple of videos outthere with him and he's had so
many different students, likeI've had people coming back to
me talking about you know what agreat personality he is and
he's actually genuine, andthings like that because that's
the last thing I want to doright is promote any sort of
brand or person that is notgonna, that isn't genuine, and
that's the best part about thissport is we get to work with a
(13:25):
lot of different, really goodbrands, uh, and as well as
companies and people, mostlybecause we know that this sport
is probably more about thepeople than it is the sport
itself.
Would you agree or no?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
yeah, I think the people, I think it's both really
.
I mean you got you have thesport, which is where the people
go to you know to be a part ofthat sport and then that's where
we meet them.
So I think it's you know whatI'm saying?
It's it's good people in a goodsport, you know?
And, um, talking about Will, Iwent to Will's place.
(13:57):
I don't know two, three, fourwhenever Jim Greenwood was there
.
And I'd never been there.
It's a super place That'd beawesome to have in my backyard
you know, unbelievable.
So if you haven't been up to,where's he at South Carolina?
Yep, he's in south carolina, ohyeah go check it out.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I went, yeah really, yeah, really close to rocky
creek.
Yeah, he's really close torocky creek.
Um, I think he's only likeabout an hour south of charlotte
, but it's worth the drive andit takes me five hours to get
there, but I make the haulbecause it's worth going out
there.
Besides, to make sure people Ican spread his content, right,
but, but, but.
For me to personally get outthere and shoot, because it's
(14:37):
one of my favorite places toshoot, because he could throw
anything out there.
Yes, he's got all of themachines to actually teach me
how to shoot this game, but then, on top of that, he's also
willing to make me a big steakbecause I'm a meat person.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's never made me a steak.
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Well, you better ask him to make you a steak, because
he's good at it.
He can reverse, sear it andeverything.
He's got a guy that tells himexactly how to do it Goes to the
butcher.
I think I literally ate a threepound ribeye that he made me in
one sitting with him on thecarnivore diet.
But yeah, no, it's legit.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So he's a good cook, great coach, great mentor, for
sure yeah, okay, so let's let'sget into to you a little bit.
I know that, uh, you and yourwife I see a lot of content
about both of you shooting butbefore she started shooting, you
started shooting and and tellme that kind of go through the
road of of how you got to whereyou are now as far as shooting
is concerned, how long ago wasit?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, right on, yeah.
So I can tell you right off thebat, I love my sponsors.
My number one sponsor, though,is my wife.
I think most people canprobably say that, right,
they're the ones that put upwith us throughout this entire
shooting journey, as we gothrough the highs and lows that
this sport brings with it.
But, really, I'll tie that backto CJ.
(15:55):
Cj was my boss that I workedwith, and he took me out skeet
shooting for the first time backin like October of 2021.
I think it was Yep, and he tookme skeet shooting.
It was the first time I'dreally shot clay targets out of
the air.
Besides, when I had thrown themback in college, just like
throw them up in the air andkind of just shot them because I
(16:15):
thought it was cool, um, but wewent to the skeet field and I
got humbled really quickly.
I'll tell you what as a marine,we like challenges and we don't
like failing, right.
Right, that game humbled mereally quickly, so a passion
kind of got sparked reallyquickly for just shooting clays
in general, right, well, then Ishot, you know, skeet at the
(16:37):
skeet field for like two months,and then I shot a 25 straight
and I was like, well, this iskind of boring.
No offense love skeet shootersappreciate the discipline and I
understand it that that's whatit takes, because when you shoot
a 400 straight, holy crap, thatis discipline like that's
impressive.
Yes, not for me, though not forme though right.
(17:00):
So I shot like my first register.
Then he was like hey, you wantto see something cool.
Then we went up to hunter'spoint and we shot uh, sporting
clays for the first time.
I was instantly hooked.
I was done.
After that I was was ready tofall head over heels, buy the
Can-Am, buy the expensiveshotgun.
When I fall I fall hard forthings, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You did do that, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I was ready at that point.
I did yeah.
Yeah, that's part of theshooting journey, I think.
Yeah, I think a lot of folksget into this and they learn a
couple of different things.
So kind of they learn a coupleof different things.
So kind of taking you throughmy journey with this is you know
, I started shooting sportingclass 2021, you know, very end
of 2021.
So 2022 is really my firstseason getting into this and you
(17:46):
know, just like everybody else,I wanted to make master class
as fast as I could.
I ended up making it in like ayear and a half, but that's
irrelevant now that I look backat this, because I look back and
I wanted to be masterclass sobad that I think I skipped a few
(18:07):
steps along the journey and ittook me probably till year two
to learn some of the things thatwould have helped me, um,
earlier on?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
What are those?
You know one of the, give me anexample.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So so one of the examples was, uh, I shot every
tournament every single weekend,every event that was ever
available, right, I went justfull bore, uh, with everything
when it came to shooting.
Shooting that means sub gaugeand all right, and I know it
might be an unpopular, uh,opinion, honestly, but one of
(18:43):
the things that I had learnedwas, when you go to a big event
because I shot the majors too,um, you know, but I did shoot a
lot of locals as well but when Iwent to the majors, I shot
everything like every type ofsub gauge that was ever made.
You know, uh, from 28, 410, 28,20 gauge, 12 gauge, sub gauge,
right, super sporty five standlike it's all there.
(19:05):
They are all awesome games, butyou know, on my schedule, when
you only got three days to shoot, you know, maybe don't shoot 12
, 1400, you know targets, youknow, in three days, yeah, it's
kind of a lot you know.
So that was one of those thingsthat I learned really quickly
was like okay, at some point,your energy itself, the muscles
(19:28):
you have inside of your body,particularly your eyes as,
thankfully, clay lab has enabledme to actually learn is get to
meet people like Dr Polo, workwith some of the folks when it
just comes to learning aboutthis game, it's not really like
your shoulder and your bodythat's going to give out.
First, it's probably your eyes.
And in this sport, when you'relosing by one or two targets at
(19:50):
each one of the levels whetheryou're in C class, class, you
know, you're even master classfor sure you're losing by like
one or two targets at timesthat's probably your eyes giving
out to me.
In my opinion and again I'mgoing to preface all of this
with not a champion, just myopinion as an average guy coming
through right right I mean itbe it could be several different
(20:13):
things, but eyes coulddefinitely be one of them, for
sure.
Yeah, and you know, and um I'llalso preface this with this is
exactly why we actually neverdid Um, and we purposefully
never did instructional type ofthings, cause we got a lot of
requests actually, uh, forinstructional type of videos.
(20:34):
Yeah, that's's, that's notgoing to be us.
I'm not going to teach you howto shoot a rabbit, right like
there are actual professionalsthat you try to do that so
you're not trying to be a coachno, no, not yet.
Actually.
I know I have a lot to learn inthis game.
I think eventually one day Iwould like to be right and I'll
take that up with fennel at somepoint because I like his school
yeah, well, there you go, soyou learned a lot sorry yeah,
(20:56):
yes, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So you learned a lot coming up, and I did too, and
I'll tell you something that Ilearned, or I thought about as I
started shooting and goingthrough the classes, was I've
got a lot of questions that alot of people answer.
Now that I look back on it,they answer the questions
correctly, but they're notanswering them Like I need to
hear them, like I've talkedabout this a hundred times, but
(21:20):
you need to watch the bird.
Well, I, you know I am, butcorrectly telling you how to
watch the bird.
You know what I'm saying?
That's kind of what I thoughtabout, like nobody's really told
me correctly how to watch thebird, like I do look at it.
So that's kind of what I learnedcoming up through and I thought
you know I'm always rememberthese kinds of questions because
(21:40):
I had them.
You know, yeah, you know what Imean.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh no, I do.
I definitely know what you meanbecause I think you know this
thing at the bird, it'll catchon eventually, I think right,
but yeah, the millions ofdifferent people have told you
that that's the solution.
Well, I mean, I think it'seasier said than done and I
think people will just gothrough and hit a point in their
game where they trulyunderstand what that means.
(22:06):
And the only way to expeditethe process to understanding
what that means is actuallygetting a good coach, like
somebody and when I say goodcoach, I mean somebody that's
truly a coach and is actuallygoing to explain to you and be
able to communicate with you,because there are plenty of
people that are good at whatthey do, you know, just like any
other type of profession.
But if, if you're just not agood match, or if it just
(22:28):
doesn't make sense, there's nochemistry there, then you're not
going to understand them.
You can literally have twodifferent people telling you the
same thing, but it just makessense when this guy says it
Right, like, yeah, that that's.
That's finding a coach to helpyou expedite and accelerate your
process through this game, andthat's one of the biggest things
you know I learned goingthrough this game.
(22:50):
Um, there's a couple of randompieces of advices that I give to
folks.
You know, throughout my journeythat I've learned, you know,
over I think at this point it'sjust it's just three years of
learning how to try to shootthis game is.
There's a couple of things.
Is coaches are there to helpyou expedite the process?
There's a reason why these guyshave, these guys are doing what
(23:11):
they do.
It's because they've missed waymore targets than you have.
They've already been whereyou've been.
They've thought about buyingthe high rib gun that you're
thinking about buying.
You know that you shouldn't notsaying you shouldn't, I'm just
saying they've thought about allof the different scenarios that
you've gone through already andthey've helped other people
through this.
Help navigate that.
That course.
(23:31):
That's what a coach is there todo, not just help you figure out
how to shoot a crossing target.
You know what I mean.
Oh, yeah, it's not just abouthow do you hit quartering verge,
how do you hit 50 yard crossers.
You know, yeah, they're,they're gonna do that too, but
you know you find a good coachand you're gonna be able to, you
know, text them or they're evengonna text you because they've
been tracking you because theycan see score chaser as well.
(23:54):
Right Like you can just pull upscore chaser and see what their
students are doing and be likehey, you know nice work, bud
Like or hey, you know what'sgoing on.
You know if they know that youcan shoot, you know better than
how you're doing.
Uh, compared to the competition, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, All of that.
Now, who was when you started?
Did you have a coach?
Or just kind of figure it outon your own for the first little
bit.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh, I'm stubborn, of course.
I tried to figure this stuffout on my own.
I was like how hard could it be?
We're just shooting things outof the sky, yeah it's funny to
take somebody shooting like you.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You know what I'm talking about.
You take somebody shooting andthey're like, oh, how hard can
this be?
Then they get out there andit's a little different than you
think it is.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh, absolutely.
There's not supposed to beanything inherently obvious
about to shoot something movingthrough the sky that you're
supposed to shoot in front of it.
Well, the question is, by howmuch?
But the weird part is theanswer is just look at it, right
.
Just look at it, yeah, rightyeah, yeah, just look at it yeah
(25:01):
, so yeah, I actually had a fewcoaches.
Actually, my shooting journeywas me trying to figure this out
by myself.
That wasn't working out so hot.
I was able to, of course, getthrough.
You know, some of the lowerclasses, you know, win some
stuff here and there and it wasawesome, it was cool.
But I'm all about efficiencyand when it comes to efficiency,
(25:21):
somebody else that knows how todo this better you got to be
humble.
People can teach you some stuff.
So, like I said, anthonyMatariz he's technically
probably my first coach Watchedall of his DVDs, have all of
them still.
They're awesome to pick back upon every now and then, uh.
So I watched all of those, gota little bit better.
I felt like um, and then Iactually uh, met cameron hicks.
(25:45):
At that point he's a hell of atrap.
Taught me how to shoot traplike crazy.
Uh.
From there, uh, I startedworking with will fennel, really
when this clay lab startedcoming online, right, and then
from there it was really just hewas my coach and mentor.
You know, just going forward atthat point yeah, yeah, um, what
(26:05):
about your wife?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
so you're you talk about your wife.
Is your your biggest, I guessyour biggest supporter?
Or your number one sponsor.
However, whatever you want tosay, how, how does she take to
you doing this as much as youhave been doing it?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
and and, uh, how supportive has she been so my
wife abby, she's supersupportive when it comes to this
sport and I couldn't be morethankful for it, because this is
a sport that definitely has meaway from home a lot, um, just
trying to attain some of myshooting goals and, of course,
you know, trying to get a lot ofthe filming done as well, so
that way we can produce content.
(26:40):
But really it's not a cheapsport, like you know.
I don't think anybody shootingthis sport right now or
listening to this podcast thinksit is uh so.
So she, she's absolutelysupportive of it because she
knows that the passion is therefor it.
And I'm that kind of personthat when I, like I said, when I
find the thing that I'mpassionate about like I'm just
(27:01):
going to go full bore at it,yeah, and she started shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
How'd you get?
Her into it Just because shegoes with you.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Is that how she got into it?
She did, and I want to say itwas the Can-Am that got her into
it at first because it wasreally cool to be in and I'm not
going to lie during the wintertimes.
I think I even posted a videoabout it, but she would be in
there.
That's how supportive she is.
Right, she's in the Can-Am withthe window rolled up and the
heat on, with the actualcontroller to actually listen to
(27:33):
me call, pull and then shewould hit the buttons from
inside the warm can-am for me.
But yeah, she got.
She's pretty smart herself.
She actually no, she's verysmart.
Yeah, that's why I married her.
Like that's the goal inmarriage, I think, is actually
always marry somebody smarterthan you.
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, butuh, but she's also decently
talented.
(27:53):
She has never gotten it reallyinto the competition side of
shooting.
I signed her up anyways justbecause she was going to be
there and she enjoys kind ofjust spending time out on the
range.
But she actually has a habit ofstealing my like either backup
guns or like my primary guns,whether that's a pistol like my
old glock 19 that I built outand she was like I like this,
(28:15):
it's mine.
Well, that's what happened.
Like my old glock 19 that Ibuilt out and she was like I,
like this, it's mine.
Well, that's what happened tomy beretta a400, right like that
was my backup gun and all of asudden now I've got to cut the
stock on it to fit her.
And then guess what?
Now I don't have a backup gunthat's all right.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So you've been shooting a krigoff since you
started, right, is that right?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
uh, actually so started.
No, I kind of had like a wholegun journey.
I think people go through thistoo.
It's a whole nother thing aswell as it has.
Like I started with a brownie725 okay, all right, and kind of
tying it back into what wetalked about with one of the
lessons learned.
I will always tell people, ifyou already have a good gun that
(28:54):
kind of fits you, that fits youdecently and it points well
with you Awesome, before youmake that giant leap, awesome,
go get a coach.
Spend a bunch of money onlessons and a bunch of money on
shells, because that's going topay you dividends in the long
run.
You'll eventually end up with areally nice gun.
You will because your heart'sgoing to keep you in this game
(29:16):
for a long time.
You'll eventually end up withthat gun, but in the beginning,
yeah.
If in the beginning you got abeautiful semi-auto like a 400,
there a reason why that gun's,like, won championships, it's
good enough.
I promise you know I mean so.
Before you go in a leap, takethat leap and, you know, jump
into that 10, 15 000 dream gunthat you've always had like.
(29:40):
Put it towards lessons, buy apallet of ammo, you know, do
what you can there before youspend the money doing that type
of thing yeah, you're talkingabout classes a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Uh, I guess I know, you're familiar with the, the
class changes this year.
What do you think about those?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I'm interested to see how they work out.
Um again.
So I I got sorry I didn't talkabout it before but, like, one
of the things that really got mehooked into this sport was the
PSCA.
Like it filmed awesomely, itwas great to see it.
I've seen every single episodeover and over again.
So, for there to be aprofessional class, which I
(30:20):
think what in 2025, they weretalking about starting that.
So, yeah, I think in two Ithink it was in like 2025, they
were planning on starting aprofessional class.
When it came to either just themajors.
So we're talking about theregionals, nationals and I think
the U S open, that there was a,that there was a pro class
(30:42):
essentially, and they're workingout how that's going to work
out from a numbers perspectiveof it dipping into the master
class.
But I've I've never really hada problem with it because, at
the end of the day, I don'tthink it really matters what
class you're in, right, and Iactually remember speaking with
uh camera at this point and heactually preferred a lot of his
students to declare into doublea, and I think that that's
(31:04):
perfectly fair if your goals arenot to win money throughout the
journey and you're okay withthat and you truly want to be
good at this sport.
To be good at it not for thenotoriety or to be able to post
on Instagram that you won C1,which is awesome.
But if that's not what you careabout and you truly just want
(31:26):
to be really good at this sport,cool, declare into double a and
then get after it, because atthat point you know your scores
are going to be what they areand you know where you finish
out in double a to theneventually punch into
masterclass.
It is what it is.
I think that you know it'sperfectly fine way.
But if you want to, you want ametric.
(31:46):
I think it helps a metric tohelp gauge yourself as you grow
throughout your shooting journey, then that's pretty awesome.
So you know I'm I'm neither herenor there about the actual
classification system, but Ithink it took me a while to
eventually get there.
Like I mentioned before, like Ijust I just wanted to be a
master class when I started thisand then I figured out that I'm
(32:07):
like, how old was I?
I'm like 32 or something likethat 33 master class, in no
concurrence.
So I have like the absolute,absolute lowest chances of
winning anything at a shoot,right?
So like, basically, anytime Igo shoot as a master class
shooter, I have to beat BrandonPowell powell, right.
(32:30):
Like okay, cool, how about wejust make this really good
practice?
Then, yeah, I mean, no, I'm,I'm there to compete, but god,
you know, that's, that's what Ihave to deal with that boy's
been wearing it out this year mygod, yeah, he has.
I just watched him at the gatorcup.
I got to watch him in theshootout man.
He cleaned the first section ofthe make a break, really just
(32:53):
cleaned it in the final shoot.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for uh, firstand second between him and
connor daniels.
Connor daniels is a wicked shot, right, but yeah, brandon gets
up there and just cleans thefirst section of it, that's
crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He like was a lot of people watching because that's
what he likes oh yeah, there's alot of people I'd be dropping
shells on the ground, puttingyou know safety beyond.
Something would happen.
I mean he gets up there andloves it, so I don't know yeah,
I think I'm actually going topublish the video of it.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know whenever this thing comes out, but you
know there'll be a video of it,a capture it on video.
I think it was also a goodexcuse for me to really get up
there and be like two feet awayfrom the shooters yeah, oh yeah
yeah, I just enjoy watching thesport, yeah so you were.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How do you know where you're gonna video something,
do you?
Are you always carrying yourstuff around with you?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I am most of the time , um, yeah, so uh, you know I
mentioned I'm a planner, sothat's kind of what I do.
So I kind of take a look at whatmy schedule is, which I'm very
thankful for.
Folks like score chaser, youknow that they can literally
print me out a schedule, or thatI can build my own schedule,
(34:09):
and then I can print that thingout and kind of take a look at
some of the folks that I knoware going to be in the area and
then take a look at schedulingthings around my shooting, their
shooting, and then kind of justmake it happen from there.
Sometimes some events arebetter than others.
You know, sometimes I'm reallyjust there to focus kind of on
my shooting game and then othertimes like I'm just like, hey,
you know, I just I really dowant to capture some content for
some folks and it's a goodopportunity.
So, yeah, I'm generally goingto run around with my backpack
full of equipment.
(34:29):
At that point I travel witheverything.
Now, right, that's like evenstudio lights and everything,
because I want to make sure Iprovide a good product for
everybody you carry studiolights with you yeah, they're
two, they're pop-up studiolights.
you know that I use for, likeeither video, podcasts, uh, like
you know some of the stuff Iknow we're going to work with
together, you know, in thefuture.
(34:50):
But like, yeah, there's studiolights.
You know I'll carry thosearound with me.
They're pop-ups, they'reperfect, like exactly what we
need because lighting'simportant, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And if it was up to me, I'd have an iPhone and a
flashlight and that would bejust fine.
We're supposed to be doingsomething.
We're supposed to be doingsomething down at the regional
in Savannah together and, uh,jeremy Jeremy was talking about
hey, you know where are we goingto do this at.
And I said, well, I got atrailer we can do it inside of.
(35:21):
He's like no man, that's notgoing to look good look good.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean, it would look fine to me.
I know you would have the audiocovered and you'd be sound
amazing, but I can't work with atrailer like I'm not that good,
okay it would have air in itair doesn't show up on video
that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So, yeah, it's uh, I'm kind of excited to see what,
what you've got planned andwhat you're going to do with, uh
, with the clay lab.
I know that I've had a lot ofgood ideas in the past about
what to do with video, but I'veknown nothing about video so I
never try it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So do you think?
You think, johnny?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
carter and all those guys.
Are they kind of a?
You kind of watch what they doso you can kind of get some good
ideas, or I know y'all knoweach other oh, I always do.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
And johnny, oh, he's the man.
Yeah, johnny carter is great.
I definitely linked up with himwhen we were at nationals
together and yeah, none of itwas on video because it we have
a genuine, just good friendship,which is awesome, so great man.
And yeah, of course, I watchtheir content.
Everything that comes out.
You know, past and present,like like I'm going to be
(36:28):
watching, but that's just causeI'm also a consumer of YouTube.
Like I don't have I don't havecable TV or anything like that.
I literally spend all my timemy free time, if you will on
YouTube, just watching stuff.
So, yeah, johnny's definitelyat the top of the list for
anything that comes out that hedoes.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, youtube's man it's.
My son says he's gettingsmarter because of youtube.
I think he's getting dumberbecause of youtube, but I mean
he may be right.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't know, you know there's so much.
No, he's, he's got to be right.
I actually learned how to ridea motorcycle on youtube.
I'm not even kidding you likebefore I got my motorcycle
license, I was watching youtubeabout how to ride a motorcycle
and I studied it and again.
But that's why we do this isbecause certain people absorb
(37:13):
information differently, andvisually is a huge visual
learning.
It's a huge portion for a lotof people.
So I learned how to ride amotorcycle boom.
Never had an issue riding abike, besides when I was maybe
stuck riding but yeah, so talkabout your pistol shooting
you're doing now terrible newhabit, just because I think that
(37:33):
that's the the marine inside ofme that just I like shooting.
It's just the way it is, yeah,uh.
So I went shooting for thefirst time, uh, at a uspsa event
and uh also really, reallyenjoyed that.
I had the opportunity to shoota couple qualifiers and, just
like their class system, I wasable to qualify as a b-class,
(37:55):
limited optic shooter, whichmeans I shoot like a 2011
platform and, of course, I wasshooting a staccato when I first
started.
And then I went head over heelsand bought this beautiful, like
masterpiece arms, like blackand gold pistol and nine
millimeter, you know, doublestack 1911 and but it's been
something else to keep me busyon the weekend, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But sporting clay, thankfully, is my passion when
you go to a pistol tournament,never doing that, I'm assuming.
How did how?
Was that going to one of thosetournaments like, were you kind
of lost?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
so I I'm, uh, I'm a humble person and I literally
like put my hands up and I'mjust like I'm nick the new guy.
Like you know, as long as youshow up, knowing the safety
rules, you're all good.
That's been just bred into mefrom what I do, uh.
But yeah, as long as you'resafe, you're good.
I watch people just kind ofwalk through the courses super
(38:49):
slow, you know, to get theirshots and they're perfectly
placed, you know.
But they end up, you know, atthe bottom of the list because
it's also about speed in thisgame, you know.
And then, every now and then,I'll push the little limits
myself and pretend like I'm johnwick.
You know it's, it's fun, yeah,yeah so I just enjoy shooting
it's, it's fun.
Yeah, yeah, so I just enjoyshooting.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It looks like it's intimidating Like my.
I couldn't see me gettingaround that course too fast.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
It doesn't, really, it doesn't matter, you take it
as fast as you can.
It's kind of like this sportright, like shooting a 50 yard
cross or is intimidating, youknow, at first.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And then that's the only target you want to practice
when you go to the range, right, yeah, for some people, so do
you?
I guess you see yourselfshooting some of that as well as
sporting clays in.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You got the right now then.
Yeah, but sporting clays is mypassion, it really is.
Um, it's just every now andthen I kind of just need a break
from what I do.
So yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I enjoy it.
So what's next?
What's next for you?
What's next for the clay lab?
What's what you got going onnext?
Where are you going next?
Just what's what's up.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, really big news is that.
Uh, I got orders down toFlorida.
So the clay labs going tropical, as my wife wanted to say, um,
that was the big thing, likeclay labs going tropical is that
what you told me?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
the big news was no, no, no, that was something else,
oh wait on that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
But but no, so I am definitely going to florida.
Okay, I'm gonna be in the eraand you know, hunter's point has
always been my home clubbecause I've only been shooting
this, you know, for three yearsand the Oliver's have been
amazing.
They've been amazing people andI'm glad that they've put up
with me this entire time.
But yes, we are moving down toTampa Florida area, so I am
(40:39):
looking for a new home downthere in Tampa and you know,
what's been awesome about thiscommunity is the moment I put up
that clay lab was goingtropical.
I had so many different peoplelike making recommendations for
places in florida and I even hadone of our subscribers send me
a map overlay for google mapsthat had every single sporting
(41:06):
clays range already on it and Iwas just like, oh my god,
there's a bunch of my kind ofplace.
Yeah, there's a bunch.
It's year-round shooting likeI'm gonna tell you what, as a
hawaiian, that's perfect,because I am a fair weather
shooter, you're hawaiian is thatwhat you are?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
yeah, hawaiian and filipino oh, somebody told me
you're mexican no hawaiian andfilipino.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
To be fair, though, the last name time, and I think
is actually, uh like, a spanishlike, has spanish origins or
something like that yeah, maybethat's why they said that.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
You might be related to Zach or something as well as
no, no, but I am planning onlinking up with those folks down
at southeast, uh, so I'mlooking forward to seeing those
guys down there.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, so have you been to?
Have you been to uh four city?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
oh, yes, yeah, we shot, uh, georgia state
championship.
Okay, first of all, let me backup here.
That is the best uh gift I'veever gotten from a shoot.
It was like a 1300 bucket forme, but we shot the georgia
state championship.
I think it was maybe like 2022or something like that, and they
(42:22):
gave us this like heavy dutybucket with like a rope yep,
actual uh, you know thing likethat's the best bucket I've ever
gotten.
It definitely is.
I remember that.
That was that.
Yeah, it was that four city,four city gun club.
That club, like even JeremySmock won't stop talking about
that club because it is awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Like I'm looking forward to it.
Is your wife going with you?
She is not, and again, that'swhy she's the best sponsor,
because she's got to take careof my two dobermans and black
lab.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, my babies , those are my babies well,
we'll, uh, I'll catch up withyou down there for sure.
The podcast that you you're nowproducing for these guys, uh,
tell me what the names of themare, or tell the listeners what
the names are and how they canfind them, so they can go check
them out yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
People can uh, whether it's either on youtube
itself, on spotify, um applepodcasts and even amazon music.
They can go and look up theclay lab network and you'll be
able to find all of our podcasts.
So any of the video podcaststhat I do, I convert them into
audio only and then we'll postthose as podcasts, and then any
(43:30):
of, uh well, fennels podcast,the fennel shotgun shooting
podcast, and then as well asKate Fetchy's podcast.
Those will all be able to uh beheard on any of those platforms
, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, and you want to look at the clay lab?
Just go to YouTube, type it inand you can watch some of those
videos.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Really good, you cover what you're covering, you
do a good job at it and uh, gocheck them out for sure we try
to, and that's really about,like that huge mixture and I
didn't even bring up like thearticles that we had started
here started doing, and it'sreally huge because I think that
that's a big part of this and Ithink people are really
enjoying that is especially theshooter spotlight.
(44:10):
So, besides any of the othertype of content that I'm trying
to make sure I cover is theshooter spotlights, because
there's a lot of good shootersout there that they just, you
know they're not good at thesocial media type of game or
anything like that, but theydeserve the spotlight.
Like we have some phenomenalshooters, like I know you know
plenty of them yeah, and there's.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
There's a lot of them that, uh, I think there's a lot
of them that probably wouldn'twrite anything, but there's a
lot of them that you can go upwith a little recorder and talk
to them and get a pretty goodarticle out of it.
Oh, absolutely so.
I think what you're doing isway too much for me to do.
I'm talking about you have tobe sitting behind a computer
constantly when you're notworking or shooting.
(44:53):
It's just unbelievable.
I appreciate, I appreciate,brother.
I got a pretty good computer tosit behind, but no, I appreciate
it but you're doing good, man,and uh, you know, I'll, uh, I'll
see you down at southeast andand uh, we'll catch up there for
sure, and maybe have some coolstuff coming out.
Just bring the video camerawith you.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Oh, I will, All three of them.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
There you go, all right.
Well, there he is, jareem.
Tyeman.
Appreciate you coming on buddy.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I hate you.
Thanks, brother, all right,good seeing you, We'll see you.
Peace, peace, peace, peace,peace, peace, peace, peace,
peace, peace peace peace, peace,peace, peace, peace, peace,
peace, peace, peace, peace peace.
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