The Rose of Versailles Ep 3-4: The Mom is Mine

Life continues and so do ours. IRL we catch up on our lives, Sarah has been watching the HBO series Insecure, while Joe has watched a bunch of mech anime (surprise surprise).

In The Rose of Versailles, we get our first taste of palace politics. Marie Antoinette becomes top dog at court and uses that power to immediately pick a fight with the second most powerful woman, Countess Du Barry. Oscar is content to sit back and watch the firework, up until she and her (not dead) mom get dragged into it. How will Oscar get out of this one? [ETA till French Revolution: 19 years]

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to show Joe, your favorite anime podcast. Hopefully totally mine, but we've

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got me, Sarah, introducing Joe to show Joe anime. I'm your guys's guide and the veteran
viewer of show Joe anime and Joe is a newcomer to the genre, not having been the targeted
demographic at the time that a lot of these came out. So but here we are introducing him

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and hence showing Joe show Joe. What's up, Joe? Not much. How's it going for you? Good.
Let's see. What have I feel like? Try and think of I feel like I've been more work mode
this week. Try and think of anything I've done in my free time. I beat Star Wars Outlaws

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and. Oh, OK. So it was fine. I think I don't know if you get this way, but like when I
start a game, I'm in the midst of it and I know there's a lot more game to come. I'm
like a lot more like high opinion of it. And then once I know it's coming to an end, I'm
like, OK, this is the entirety of the experience. Then it's like my perception of it changes

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a little like that definitely happened with Dragon Age, Fail Guard. But like, I know this
is all the game has to offer versus earlier in the game, it's like, oh, it could get better.
Or I'm imagining what's going to happen. And then when it doesn't meet those expectations,
then it's like, OK, it was good. But not only, you know, could have been better kind of.
OK, nothing blew you away. Well, like, right, there's the faction management elements,

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which in the end don't really amount to much. Like they don't really have an impact at all.
I didn't watch the marketing for this game, but I'm assuming they were like really hyping
up that aspect probably. And so people who were like more tuned in with what the game
was going to be probably had more disappointment. But I enjoyed it. You know, it wasn't like

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overwhelming open world stuff, which is better for me. See, watching some more insecure, which
I think I mentioned in the past, but it's like a HBO show with Issa Rae kind of depicting
like, I think just, you know, being an adult woman or black woman in LA and kind of managing

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relationships and work and just life satisfaction and stuff like that. And she's pretty funny.
I haven't seen her in anything up to this point. So I've been enjoying that show. It
kind of is like it's almost like the doom scroll where you get stuck watching it and
you just are like so entranced that I don't realize how much time has passed.

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Let's see. Doom scroll. I know you're calling it a doom scroll. That assumes that like things
are getting worse. You're like spiraling. Basically, it just means you're like stuck
in that like you can't get out. You know, you just get like entranced by the, I don't
know, the reels or whatever of a social media app. And it's just kind of the like where

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I'm not I'm just so zoned out watching it that I'm not paying attention to anything
else really. Yeah. So I can like steal your time away if you get snared. And yeah, I think
I'm going to play Life is Strange double exposure, which I dropped once Dragon Age came out.

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So get back to that. And oh, I tried to watch the high Q movie because that's like they
didn't make another season, but they made like a movie to end the story. But like the
art style is different. It's like that. It like I was like, oh, I can't do that. Well,
it like doesn't look like I can tell the characters are the same. You know, I can tell who's who.

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But like the art style is very different. And I don't think it's in a better way. Like
maybe it's smoother or something by like the style of the show more than what they did
with the movie. It's like, is it called? Wait, I'm sorry. Is it called the high Q the dumpster
battle? Yeah. Okay.
Uh huh. Um, it just I don't like it distinctly different. And I don't like it. I mean, it's

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it. Yeah, it definitely looks different. I'm trying to like everything was a little too
crisp. Maybe. Yeah. It's I don't know. I think it's like there's more line work or something.
Yeah. I just I'm so particular. I don't know. Cause I just binge basically all of the show

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and then to jump to that it's jarring. Um, so we'll see if I ever get back to that. But
that always is kind of weird. Yeah. When like a show does a movie, but like because it's
a movie, they have a bigger budget. So they like do different animation stuff, but it
looks off because you're so used to seeing it in a certain way. Yeah. I guess for example,

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with Demon Slayer, you said that production studio like dumps a bunch into the first season.
It makes it look good. So after the first season, they had a movie. So it felt more
seamless between the two. But yeah, this one, there is a big gap of time between the show
ending in this. And I don't know why they didn't because it's like also like a weird

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jump because the season or the show ends at like, oh, we're going to nationals or something.
Um, you know, we just beat the big dog in our prelim thing. But then the movie starts
immediately to like being in a match with like this team that's been kind of your rival,

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but you've never played an official match against. So we like didn't get the like intro
to the whole new tournament and like any build up. And like, I don't know if this is like
just a match or this is the last match or anything like that. So just okay. Strange.
I mean, I did not watch enough to like see if they explain it after the fact, but uh-huh.

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Um, yeah. So yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah. How about you though, Joe? What have you been
up to? I've finished several anime series. Um, yesterday I finished watching Ron Mo one
half the remake, the 12 episode remake. 12 episodes. That's it. That's all they have

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so far. It's so weird that shows like that's the older show. So like the old format I'm
thinking and so I mean, there's like 300 episodes or something in the old one. Yeah. What does
it end on? It ends on shampoo like leaves or something. Like they kind of deal with like
the first round of that of her. I remember. Is Goose a character introduced yet? No. Okay.

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Nope. Never mind. Uh, what'd you think of her? Shampoo. Um, I don't like her very much.
She's kind of annoying. Yeah. I, I, yeah, she is a lot. She has a cool design though.
Yeah. I feel like I like, I try to think if I watched, I must have watched it and subbed
when I first watched it in middle school, but like, I don't know. I think I remember liking

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how she said Ron Mo like Ron Mo. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause she's, she's uh, extra. Supposed
to be Chinese. Uh huh. Uh, supposed to pronounce things with a Chinese accent. Although the
Chinese, which he speaks Chinese, my friend was like, this is really bad. Oh yeah. You
know how like they'll speak English and it's really like not good. It's like that. But

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yeah, yeah. So it was funny. Um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I like, I tended to like Ron Mo.
Um, I like the parts where it's just like, you have to do different goofy fake combat
sports and I don't like later. Yeah. Like you do like an ice skater. You do like a floor

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gymnastics fight into some kind of martial art. Yeah. Yeah. That part is pretty goofy.
I do like that part. Um, I wish Akane got more to do. She kind of doesn't get anything
to do like later in those last couple of episodes, which is a bummer. Uh, yeah. No, it's pretty
good. I tend to like it pretty well. Um, I could see how you could easily make this
into like a long running series by just having more of those kinds of things, which is pretty

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goofy and fun. No, that's my thoughts about Ron Mo.
Ron Mo is so many characters come and go right like the ice skating where it's like, if I
remember correctly, each of the other pairs slightly interested in Ron Mo and Akane. Yeah.
So it's like almost kind of always happens. There's a lot of that, uh, just repeatedly.

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Yeah. And then like, you know, relationship growth between Ron Mo and Akane kind of peppered
throughout. Does he like Rio ga? Um, I appreciate how they do nothing to make this guy more
likeable. Like they don't try to do any, they just like do the Vegeta thing with him or
just like, he's just going to hang around and we're going to like him, even though he
doesn't do anything different. He gets lost a lot. He gets lost a lot. He's got the Zorro

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problem. Um, yeah, he's fine. I like him. Okay. I guess this would have come out before
one piece. Uh, when did the monger come out?
Uh, I don't know, but maybe it's the Rio ga thing that Zorro took. Let me think. Uh,
well, I'm assuming getting lost is not like, that's probably predates it. Uh, yeah.

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Ron Mo one half came out in 1987. If started the original run, one piece has been around
for quite some time though. One piece. First chapter was released in 1970 or 1997. Okay.
So, okay. So Ron, I came first. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Uh, although I feel like they

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would get old. I feel like the formula could get crazy how much one encounters hot and
cold water. Don't you think like, oh yeah, that part's goofy. I guess if you don't know
what Ron Mo one half is, uh, the premise is that there's a guy who is like a mart, who's
like the, a mixed martial artist guy, just like doing whatever. And he is supposed to

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get engaged to this girl, Akane to like save her dojo somehow. It's like kind of hand waved
away. Why that needs to happen. I don't really remember.
It's basically just like, and Akane's dad or like bros. And so they're like, let's just
like maintain the bro-ness by promising our kids are going to get married before they're

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even born. Maybe just so we still have a reason to meet up. Even if one of us has a dojo and
the others just randomly training in places. Um, yeah. Uh, anyway, the thing with Ron Mo
is that him and his dad went to like some weird cursed pools in China somewhere while

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they were training in China and they fell into it and you fall into the pool. You become
the thing that died in that pool. If you get submerged in cold water and then you turn
back into yourself if it's warm water. So his dad falls into one that makes him a panda
and he falls into one that makes him a girl. And so that's the, that's the joke comedy thing
is that you splash with cold water. It's, he becomes a girl and anytime he gets splashed

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with hot water, he turns back into being a guy.
It'd be a fun class play to do where you're both Ron Mo and then all like a giant panda.
And well, what, you know, well, like two people together, like if one guy wants a girl and
you're each, I see. Well, you're, yeah. Um, yeah. It'd be fun. Yeah. So I watched that.

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I also watched. Yeah. It's pretty creepy. I had a good time with it. Um, I also watched
aim for the ACE to die buster, the sequel to gun buster. The thing I talked about last
time, six episode OVA made by Guy Max has their like 20 year anniversary of the studio thing.
Um, made by people who are the different people than who made the first one because it was

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like 15 years later or something. It's made by the fully, fully people, which if you look
at any images of die buster is immediately obvious. Um, it's also way more like out there
anime, like, oh, the world is, um, in like chaos and we're like flying around in these

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big mechs, which are actually just people, robot things and like stuff is just kind of
not making it. Like, you know, gun buster is much more of like a sci-fi thing where like
people are riding around in ships that like make logical sense. You know what I mean?
Like this is the mech you're in. It moves like this because you pulled out like the arms
and stuff like that. And you know, you're traveling in space. So space travel, if you

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travel really fast, it deludes time and space and all of those stuff. It's like really about
that stuff in a much more sci-fi way. Uh, die buster is way more anime just being like,
oh yeah, you're in a big mech and you can shoot a beam that like freezes the air in
space to negative 9000 degrees or something. Like it's really goofy. Um, I don't like it

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as much. I don't think like somatically really pulls off the same thing that gun buster does.
I think gun buster is like better thought out and looks better. Um, it's also way hornier
because it came later on. This is like an early 2000s show. So the fan service is there
because we are in a bad age of anime. I've decided, uh, based on that stuff, but it still
looks pretty fun. I like it. Like it does the stuff that fully coolly does, but it also

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doesn't have all of the stuff with fully coolly. I don't like as much. So I tend to like it
pretty well. Um, there's like cool scenes. It's also like, it feels a lot like Gurren
log on. If you've ever watched that, um, in terms of like that one. Yeah. Like it's doing
a lot of that. Like people are striking these big poses. They're just like saying how you
should believe in yourself while like things explode. You know what I mean? Like it's very

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much that's what's going on. Um, which, you know, I tend to like, um, this came out in
2000, 2004 to 2006. When did Gurren log on? Gurren logon came out after then.
In 2007. So this, I feel like this inspired some of that stuff, maybe anyway, six episodes.
Easy to watch. Like when I think of fan service and anime, it's always like the purvy stuff,

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but is there like other methods of fan service that would try to think of fans and other
medians that I'm into. So yeah. So I usually think of like horny stuff as fans. Like I
want to talk about anime fan service specifically because they do a lot of that stuff, you know,
like really male gazey camera shots. Um, just like pointless nudity, that kind of thing.

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But there's also some fan service that it's like, Oh, here's the thing from gunbuster
one. Isn't that cool? And it's like, not really. So like anything that just like appeals
to fans in a shallow way. I also consider fan service. Um, the new Star Wars movies
do this a lot, right? When they're like, Oh, here you like Lando Calrissian's here for
no reason. And service like that's the other kind of fan service. So mostly like no one

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who does like fan service is for a very specific person who, because I feel like fan service
never really like makes things better. Uh, I feel like it's derogatory as a term, right?
Like you wouldn't, if something was good, you wouldn't call it fan service, right?

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Yeah. You just think it's just targeting a very, maybe it's just like, I don't know
the, like why target those people versus other people, but I guess I don't know, maybe they
just saw a lot of body pillows and like, I mean, that's exactly why they put the horny
stuff in there is cause like they, this is who they sell to and you know, men will buy

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stuff if there is naked girls in it. Like that's the calculus. It's very not complicated.
This is not a complicated thought process. Yeah. I don't even know if that's true. Like
that's the assumption. I don't know if that actually pans out all that much to be perfectly
honest with you. Um, but that is the, you know, I configure the executive saying that

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that's kind of like what was with Game of Thrones though, right? Same thing happened
there where it's like, you have to put a certain amount of violence and nudity in there. Like
each season that was like mandated by the people above. So they did that.
Yeah. Oh yeah. I guess stuff gets made. Yeah. Something I just remember to mention that
we'll look forward to in the future is that me and Jenny, friend of the pod who was on

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for a couple episodes of Kimi Nii to doke coverage are going to see Stailer Moon live.
Oh, I guess like a musical or a play or something. Is it the 2.5 D musical?
I don't know. But I'm like, I've watched like the first season of Stailer Moon, just the

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normal one. So it'll be interesting. I'm sure it'll be fun. I'll definitely wear my Sojo
shirt. The word out to the, the very people. Yep. But yeah, so look, me and Jenny hanging
out. Friends to do stuff with. Also, I'm not done. I watched one more anime. Sorry. I'm

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just letting you know. I finished Mobile Suit Gundam, the Oh, wait, the mess team, a 12 episode
OVA from 1996 to 1999 about what if we put Gundams in a Vietnam war setting and it wasn't
that good? That's crazy. So far, the Gundam OVA is really followed this thing where it's

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like it looks great. Like you want to see the next do some next up. There's like an incredible
mech fight in this one with a goof. There's a mech called a goof and it's really fucking
cool and it's incredible. And so the action and like the aesthetics are really good. And
like you want to see like how it's like, oh man, saying it's getting caught at the gears

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of this mech and it's like slowing us down, like all that kind of stuff, you know, cool,
cool stuff like that. But when it comes to like characters or stakes or, you know, relationships,
the OVA is don't do a very good job with exception to War in the Pocket. And I feel like the
answer is War in the Pocket is six episodes and Oh, wait, the mess team and like Stardust

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Memory are like 12. And that's too many episodes. Yeah. Like what is the longest OVA ever?
And why not just make it into like, well, because I guess what with OVA, there's like
disclaimer, it's not full show. So if it sucks, it's fine. Or well, OVA is just like
a different. You just buy it like so long for 12 episodes.

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12 episodes is like a weird, it's like kind of a weird length for an OVA. I feel like normally
they're pretty short. Like normally they're like six or like eight or something or like
four, right? Yeah.
It's kind of long, but I guess you could do that for a certain franchise. I mean, Gundam's
huge at this point. So I guess you could do that. Yeah.
That being said, it's like, I think 12 episodes is actually a bad length for a show I've decided.

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Well, and that's the new format. So I wonder what happened to me because it used to be
26 was the number and now it's cut in half. Is that like a like airing thing in Japan?
Like they wanted to reduce or free up the airway.
I just assume it's some corporate bullshit. Like in how Netflix doesn't renew things because

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if you renew something, you have to renegotiate your union contracts and you have to pay people
more and stuff like that. So they just cancel everything after like one or two seasons. You
know what I mean? Like I think it's probably just some bullshit like that because that's
just kind of the world we live in now. But that being said, I think 12 episodes is bad
because it's not enough to do any of like it's too long to do something really tight,

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right? Like six episodes is about the length of a movie, you know, so it's probably like
two hours. And in two hours, you kind of have an idea of what kind of story you can tell.
And also if you have like 26 episodes or like 50 episodes, you can do totally different
things, right? And you can have a couple of bad episodes in there, but it's fine because
there's so much other stuff. You have so much time to like play with other things that there's

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normally some stuff in there. 12 episodes is like I watched these OVA's and it feels
like four or five of the episodes are just kind of like filling time. And then they're
just kind of rushing to do the story at the beginning of the end. It's like slightly too
long for like a really condensed thing and not long enough to do like a more long form

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thing, right? Or you can like set things up week to week. So I think it's a bad number.
I think 12 is a bad number to have an OVA series. At least that's been true so far in
Gundam. Yeah, I try to think if I don't think I've ever watched OVA. I know there's like
one show that we'll cover at some point, which I guess we can. Fushigi Yu-Gi has OVA's,
so maybe we'll watch that. But I guess I've always just dismissed it.

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Some of them are really good. Like the OVA's and the bottoms are incredible. They're like,
they add so much to like my like read of the show. But a lot of the time, I don't know.
Are they harder to, I imagine OVA's would be harder to get a physical copy of.
Yeah, I bought like a thing that like a big box set that includes all of the OVA's and

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movies and stuff. But yeah, they're usually harder to get like stream and stuff like that
because they're licensed differently. But they can be good. I mean, sometimes they're
really good, you know? Maybe I will know at some point. Yeah.
Once I watch one. I don't think there has been like any stuff so far that we would have
watched that would have like that would have come up. But we also haven't watched any series

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that have like movies or anything yet. So no, once we get to Cardcaptor's soccer.
Oh, God, I'll be so excited when that day comes.
That's what I've been watching stuff. Nice. Good. Watching the anime is good. If you haven't
anime podcast. It is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm now moving on to Gundam X. Good Lord. Is there

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an end or by the time you catch up so many more Gundam shows will have come out? I mean,
there will be an end. Eventually I'll catch up to present day. There's so many. They definitely
can't make Gundam as fast as I can watch them. So I will catch up. At one point, this podcast
will not be half Gundam. It's not half Gundam. I barely talk about it.

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Oh, goodness. Speaking of the podcast, do we want to get to our coverage today? Yes.
This show, I'm glad we did two episodes because it's like the number of notes I'm taking is
a lot. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, we can move on. I have to watch these two episodes. I'm
like, I really want to watch the next one. So maybe we can move up to three and I'm
taking the summaries and I'm like, oh, yes, I've hit 22, like 100 words. Okay. Maybe not.

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Yes. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about it. Yes. So this time we watched episode three
and four of the roses of Versailles. I'm going to start off with voice actors, which is kind
of disappointing. So the voice actor for Oscar, Francis DJ, GJ's with her whole ass name,
the only character that has a whole ass name is Rico Tajima, who is Queen Emerald is in

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Galaxy Express 999, a show I've heard of, but don't know anything about. I know it's
the one with the space train. I saw the ads for it on Funimation DVDs. Yeah. It's like
one of those like, I guess they printed a lot of like disc copies of it because like
they always have it and I see it. It looks pretty and it's probably good. I just have

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never watched it. She's also the voice of Sandra in Space Adventure Cobra, which is another
old thing that I think I've seen clips from that seem cool. And that's basically it. I
mean, she's in some other stuff, but I couldn't recognize any of it. What it was. So this
is her biggest role in a show, it seems like. Okay. Do you think because when I I'm watching

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it on Zoom, oh play and the full name is like Lady Oscar, the Rosa Frisci. Do you think
they just like change is that like the full full name of the show or they just like change
it to be more identifiable or something? So there's a movie. The thing that gets messed

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up is that I don't know when stuff got released in the West because there's a movie that's
directed by a French director that I think did get released in like the West or like
France or something like that. That's called Lady Oscar. And then maybe the show got ported
over. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't actually know the sequence of because then
it would have made sense to call this lady off the Rosa Versailles. It's like people

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already know what that is. So I don't I don't actually know. And that's what makes it complicated.
But the it's called Rosa Versailles. Like the, I mean, you know, the first title card
thing. That's what it says. Cool. Yeah. It's also called Lady Oscar. We got to do the narrators
voice actress to Oh, yeah. Her lines are so dramatic. Hell yeah. Dude, the line read so

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good. The voice of Andre, who's just Andre. No last name is Tarot Shigaki, who plays the
prince in the 1975 anime, the Little Mermaid, who was directed by the guy who directed the
fist of the North Star, which is very funny. They're like extremely violent. Yeah, very

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different ends of the spectrum of what you could be directing. Yes. Andre or no. Tarot
Shigaki is also the prince in the 1981 anime Swan Lake. He plays princes. That's about
it. There's some other stuff. We're just doing a lot of Disney versions of things. Yeah,

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like I know everything. Yeah. Mm hmm. Although I don't think Disney ever did a Swan Lake.
Yeah. Well, I don't. What was it? Disney? There's one. No. I'm talking about the Swan
Princess. Oh, debt. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That is not a Disney. Okay. I think

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that's a punk and I hate him. I think that's a Tom Luth. No. Yeah, she was so pretty. Who
did that? And he was insufferable. It is New Line Cinema distribution. I don't know. It
was made by somebody else. It's not a Disney thing. Gotcha. Never mind then continue. Oh,

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but it's made by a former Disney animator. That's why it kind of looks the same. I think
gotcha. Anyway, the Rose of Versailles episode three is called Sparks fly at Versailles.
We open on May 16 1770. Marie and Louis are getting married when signing the marriage contract.

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Marie's quill drips some ink and everybody's horrified that there's a stain on the marriage
contract as that's a horrible omen as the OP plays. This is probably the best opening
we've had. It's so good. It's very good. They're just at this thing and then she drips ink and
everyone's like, oh, no, this is a horrible open. They have like the jarring sound in

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case something bad has happened. And then we see why everyone is I feel like it's like,
we'll see you later where she like sees someone and she's like, and you have any misgivings
of who's reacting to really? Yeah. Yeah. The drama is really good. Yeah. I like how they
do that scene, especially over something so like kind of mundane. Let's see. So when
we jump back in, we cut to Granny telling Oscar to mind her manners today as it will

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be Marie's first appearance at court. Andre is like, chill out. Grandma Oscar is going
to be fine. And Granny yells at him to call her Lady Oscar. Andre and Oscar mount their
horses and Andre jokes that Oscar has become very popular at court after rescuing Marie,
especially among the ladies. You know what I don't love is that she's just ignoring poor

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Granny and Granny's old, but she's running after her. And so she's having to exert her
old body and Oscar can't be bothered to just like listen to what she has to say and go.
She just ignores her. I mean, it's not her granny. Well, she's well. Probably the person
who raised her the most. I would assume are very involved in her childhood. I don't know,

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because we get an appearance by somebody who I thought was dead in this episode.
No, we'll get to it. Oh, my God. Okay. Yeah. That's crazy. Palace where several ladies
are admiring Oscar. They try to flirt with her, but she brushes them off and they lament
that they wish she was a man. Wait, jump to Marie. Yep. I was going to say once I saw

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that I like was googling what was like the at the time of the French Revolution, the
like mindset of like sexuality in France at the time. And it seems like they are pretty.
They're a lot more open minded than other places at the time. So I feel like, yeah,

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because they seem all very much more open with like voicing attraction to same sex and
stuff that last for me somewhere else. You know, they're definitely getting at it. We
jumped to Marie Antoinette. She learns that since she's married to the crown prince and
that the current queen is dead, she's now the highest ranking lady at court. As such,

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it's custom that she must greet all of the women before they can speak to her. Marie
is amazed that she's top dog now. I'm very confused by what it is she want. Or like
because she seems so like, you know, Lala land at some points, but then she's like,
oh, man, I'm the best. This is awesome. Like everybody bow down to me. I guess maybe just

(31:18):
growing up royal. You just. Yeah. I mean, she's like, she's like, oh, I am like the
the top dog at court, which is crazy because like before it would have been her mom, who's
the Empress and then all of her sisters. So she's probably pretty low down before.
That's true. It just seems like she's such a space cadet that she wouldn't care about
that stuff. But I guess. No, I think this is the only thing she cares about because she

(31:39):
is. She does not come across very good in these episodes. The cat. Oh, this cat. She's
like a tiny kid. And it's so cute. Could it be the cutest cat ever? Maybe it's so cute.
Oh, the maid or whatever scruffs that little guy and then chucks it for the cat. Yeah.

(32:08):
He's a tiny kitten. Let's see. Marie makes her appearance. Also. Sorry. No, when she's
like thinking about this stuff and then like the camera angles like from the ground and
then she looks like an Amazon woman. Like she looks so tall in this shot. I guess she's
on top of the world. She's the big dog. They have to make her look. She's a little late.

(32:32):
So tall. It's pretty funny. Sorry. Oh, by the way, like at this time, the Queen's been
dead for two years. Yeah, two years. See, Marie makes her appearance at court. Everybody
admires Maria as she is eating it up. The party starts and Marie asks Louis the 16th
to dance. He says he doesn't dance though and then tells her that she's free to find

(32:55):
another partner, which is like, I don't know. Yeah, that seems like is she going to. Is
it going to be frowned upon if she goes dance with someone else that isn't or at least not
after dancing with him first? Yeah, I don't know. It's just like I'm not going to do it.
And it's like, OK, but like, could she find who would she that seems like as we're going
to find out everything she does is going to be extremely political or interpreted as

(33:19):
political? You I would think like he would have been taught like, oh, it doesn't matter
if that's what you want or not. But like, you have to give this to her. This is like
all she has at least like at least dance with her. It's like a sad sack of a man.
Yeah, he he comes across as a total loser. Yeah, we learn about his hobbies later. Yeah,

(33:44):
we learn about how weird he is a little bit. Marie scans the room and sees Oscar and Andre.
She walks over to Oscar, but on the way notices a woman glaring at her. Maria is like, hmm,
who could this be as several other court ladies notice the interaction? Marie ignores her.
Lady. Sorry. I was like, she's hot. Oh, I'm in a fan myself over here. Yeah. Marie ignores

(34:09):
her and walks over to Oscar. She greets Oscar in the court ladies gossip about how Marie
greeted Oscar before anyone else. Marie asks Oscar, who that woman who is glaring at her
is an Oscar tells her that that's Madame Dewberry and Marie shouldn't get involved with her.
Marie doesn't like her attitude, though, and storms off in a huff and she's followed by
several women. Oscar leans over to Andre and is like, oh, look, Marie's aunt and laws

(34:31):
are here. Who hate Madame Dewberry going to go talk to her. And Andre is like, hmm, I
don't think this is going to go well. Yeah, I like seeing. I kind of like seeing her in
this more like, because she doesn't talk very much. So I feel like it's nice to hear her
like giving her opinion on people. Yeah. Like I feel like we don't get very much from her.

(34:52):
So like hearing that she does have thoughts on the going on and stuff is nice. Oscar is
great. She's talked to Maria a little nicer and now she's like the past. As we find out,
I don't think Oscar likes anybody in this room. No. It's great. Yeah. She's great. Something
else. Love that. We cut to Marie talking with her aunts. She learns that Madame Dewberry

(35:15):
was a former prostitute who worked her way into the mobility by marrying a noble and
then killing him the next day. She now has to do the king himself with her beauty. The
answer like, yeah. And now our brother does whatever she wants. It sucks. She won't listen
to like our daughters or anything. Marie, you should teach her a lesson by not acknowledging
her at court. I like there's a line where she's like, what is a whore? Yeah. Like, oh,

(35:42):
gosh. Yeah. She's like, what does that mean? And they're like, um, she like, I was like
a line for a show, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. Scandalize. Yeah. You could definitely
tell it. They just like don't like her. And that's why they're doing this. They don't really
care that like the thing that's funny about this is that nobody really cares that she

(36:05):
was like, uh, like a countess or whatever the hell, like a former prostitute, like an
escort basically. Um, they just don't like her. Yeah. She's not very likable, but I
can see why the emperor was into it. Uh huh. See. We see Madame Dewberry angrily knocking
over some fruit. This is the first of many things she'll be knocking over in these next

(36:27):
two episodes. Yeah. Temper tantrums. She's pissed that that Brad Murray wouldn't acknowledge
you're at court and smashes a mirror. King Louis walks in and is like, Hey, good party,
right? And Dewberry complains about Marie, but King Louis is like, it's been one day.
All right. She probably didn't know who you were or whatever. Um, Dewberry commands her
ladies and waiting to bring her every single one of Paris's top designers. And they're

(36:49):
like every single one. And she's like, yes, every single one, because she's going to look
so dazzling at court that Marie can't ignore her. It's the next day and Dewberry is wearing
an enormous dress and all the other ladies are impressed. It's like ridiculous. I'm
like, this doesn't look that different than what anyone else is wearing. Um, no, but it's
got more like lace. It's got more like color scheme. The color scheme is pretty good. Um,

(37:14):
it's just like really big and gaudy. Uh, all the other ladies are like, Oh, it's so pretty,
but Marie isn't there yet. Dewberry instead notices Oscar walking around. The ladies
comment that Oscar is so dashing, but so cold and never talks to them. Oscar walks up to
the now arrived Maria and Maria is like, or asks her why she doesn't, uh, why, why she
doesn't talk to anybody or dance. Like she didn't dance at the party at all. Um, then

(37:36):
Marie invites Oscar to come to her salon later with her and Oscar tells her that she's a military
officer and her job isn't to converse. It's to protect the royal family of France. And
then she walks off. Uh, Maria is disappointed as, uh, as they leave while walking away.
And she's like, Hey, Oscar, why'd you refuse to hang out with Marie? If you become friends
with her, like you'll definitely get promoted soon. And Oscar is in sense that Andre would

(37:59):
even suggest that she do something so corrupt and it's gold.
Yeah. She definitely doesn't seem to like Oscar or, uh, Andre either.
I know she likes Andre. I think she just like hates being, she hates the nepotism thing.
And so she's like, how dare you even suggest I do that because I'm about honor. And he's
like, well, bad news. We're in Versailles, but she's not learned this yet. This is where

(38:21):
Andre is allowed to accompany. Like what maybe is he ranked within the military as well?
And that's why he gets to go to these fancy events.
He's probably like whatever counts as like her squire or something.
Yeah.
Like her personal assistant, basically.
Hmm. I guess so. He's cute.
Oh yeah. He's great. He's the only one who's like, you, you understand that all of this

(38:45):
is corrupt. Right? Like you can't not be corrupt here, Oscar. We're at Versailles, but no,
she does not understand that yet.
Dewberry sees Marie. She tries to tell herself that Marie just didn't know who she was last
time and it wasn't anything personal. She tries to get everybody's attention, but Marie
notices and draws them all back to her. Dewberry is incensed and decides that Marie is intentionally

(39:06):
ignoring her.
We cut to King Louis meeting with Dewberry. Dewberry complains that Marie is deliberately
ignoring her. He's like, come on. She's like 14. Like I'm sure this is nothing. Like don't
worry about it. You can't get into a fight with a 14 year old. But Dewberry is like,
no, this is like actually a serious thing because if she doesn't acknowledge me, I can't
like talk to her or do any courtly things.

(39:30):
But King Louis just laughs is Dewberry decides that she has to do something herself.
Can we talk about, is this the part where she like sees Marie just laughing like the
laugh is so great.
And I'm like, oh my God, I feel the same way. Like I'd be wanted by.
She's like that.
Just laughing at me.
Yeah.

(39:50):
Okay. And then also, does she like try to insult her by calling her a redhead?
Yes.
What is that?
I think this is something about like.
Blonde being blonde is like a virtue or something like a desirable thing.
Well, I'm more blonde than you. You're not even blonde. You're like redheaded.

(40:10):
But she's not. I should.
Okay. Even King Louis is like, this is this doesn't even make sense.
Stop saying this.
Then yeah, it's what I was like, what do we hate redheads?
Like, I was like, this is such a weird insult.
By the way, I looked all this up.
Everything in these last two episodes appears to have actually happened in real life.

(40:34):
Anyway,
the like showdown between the ambassador from Austria showing up is also real in next
episode.
Like,
historically accurate.
Yeah, which is fascinating.
Anyway, I guess this is the part of the manga that's supposed to be biographical.
Right.

(40:54):
So let's see in the gardens of Versailles, Maria's greeting everybody, including Doric
or Duke early on, which I thought was funny.
Like, oh yeah, he's just hanging out.
Yeah, she has no idea.
We see her again, blatantly ignore Dewberry.
Dewberry rushes off smashing several busts on the way.
We get some gossip that explains the power dynamics at play.

(41:16):
Madame Dewberry is powerful right now because she controls the king, right?
So she can like complain to him and get him to do stuff.
However, Marie is going to be the future queen.
So everybody has to pick the side and hedge their bets.
Like are you going to ally with the powerful person right now or the person that's going
to be powerful in a couple of years?
And everybody also wonders which side Oscar is going to take.
We got to Oscar and Andre.

(41:36):
Oscar is like, seems like all these nobles are freaking out over this.
And Andre is like, yeah, it seems like it's a big deal.
Who's side are you going to pick Oscar?
And Oscar tells him that she's just going to sit back and watch the fireworks.
She's like, I'm just going to watch this all play out.
We cut back to Dewberry, who has destroyed another room.
The property damage is a shame.
It's like smashing up every thing.

(41:58):
It's so funny.
From a dark doorway enters Duke Orleon.
She's like, what do you want?
And he tells her that he thinks Marie's behavior has been irreprehensible.
And he would like to see Dewberry outdo her because he has a plan.
We got to Andre rushing on horseback to the Jarge estate.
He is here to deliver news that Madame Dewberry is going to make Oscar's mom, who's not dead,

(42:23):
her lady in waiting.
Oscar is like, shit, she's trying to force me to join her side.
Sucks.
I don't want my mom involved in all this stuff.
Just like tell her no, just tell her to refuse that job.
But then General Jarge's enters and tells Oscar that this is an order directly from
the king so they can't refuse.
Oscar is horrified as we cut to credits.

(42:44):
Okay.
This is a crazy introduction to the status of her mom.
We thought she was dead.
Probably died in childbirth.
It's not like when she was born that she was thrown at all.
And then she was like gazing at a portrait like she was dead.
Yeah.

(43:04):
She really is like a fake out.
Like I really thought she was dead.
Yeah.
But then she's like, oh, your mom's going to be made Madame Dewberry's personal assistant.
And she's like, what?
And then she's like, okay.
And then like she was just like, cool.
It's raised our daughter.

(43:24):
She seems very passive.
She seems super chill.
She doesn't allow her to be anything but that.
But it's crazy.
Also like, surely she's too old to be a lady in waiting.
Isn't that like for women like before they get married that are in high status, I would

(43:44):
assume?
She's like a family to run.
She doesn't have time to be hanging out with this lady.
Yeah.
Madame Dewberry lives in the palace and the Charger's live in their own estate.
So she like having to not live with her family anymore.
Yeah.
I mean, this seems like, okay.

(44:05):
So I'm looking at Lady in Waiting Wikipedia page.
Historically in Europe, a lady in waiting is often a noble woman, but of lower rank
than of the woman who she's attending.
So she may either have or received a retainer or may not have received compensation for
the services rendered.
A lady in waiting was considered more of a secretary, or a companion to her mistress
and a servant.
So I guess it's just like your crew.

(44:26):
Because I've always said, like, oh, I wish I had a lady in waiting because I just want
someone to brush my hair for me all the time.
It'd be so relaxing.
Yeah.
So it seems like this is an informal, well, I mean, this one, it's a formal position here,
but it is a formal position for other court ladies.
So it doesn't seem so much as.

(44:46):
Like, I assume the ones that are unmarried and the younger ones have to actually do like
work.
Whereas the older ones are just ones you hang out with is my guess.
But I don't know.
I had a few other notes for this episode.
I forgot to mention, because there's like a scene where Madam Dewberry is like looking
in the mirror and it's like tinted red.
And I was like, look who's the redhead now?

(45:08):
Like you look like you have red hair here.
And then also she's like, oh, I just have to control the emperor.
But I'm like, he literally just dismissed all your concerns.
Do you have control over him?
Like he just keeps like laughing off everything she's presenting to him.
Uh-huh.
Actually, she has about as much control of him as any as anybody else does though.

(45:30):
So yeah.
Oh man.
Yeah.
So this is.
But yeah, biggest, craziest thing.
Mom is alive.
Yeah.
It's like a really funny review.
I want to roll into the next episode.
I really like the episode titles.
They're very dramatic to dig in it.

(45:52):
Yeah.
Episode four is called Rose's Wine and the Conspiracy.
We open on a dramatic shot of like demonic crumbling statues.
Then we jump to Marie and her aunts.
They talk about how Dewberry is trying to make Asda's mom her lady in waiting.
And they're like, well, you just can't take this lying down, Marie Antoinette.
And Marie is like, you're right.

(46:12):
I'm going to ask the prince to make Oscar's mom my way lady and waiting instead as the
OP plays afterwards.
I was like, there's no way.
Oscar's gonna be cool with this.
She's gonna be like, you're no better than her.
You don't like playing tug of war with her mom.
No, I don't think she's gonna like that.

(46:35):
And Maria wants Oscar to like her.
So I don't know what she is.
She's a pop it for these aunties.
I don't think she really nobody like knows Oscar.
It seems like it because they'll be like, oh, it's great.
Well, it's very funny.
This next.
I just assume Oscar hates everything.
Yeah, you're safe.
After the OP plays, we cut back to a distraught Oscar.

(46:56):
Granny is like, this is a good thing, actually.
Like your mom got a request from both Dewberry and Marie and she gets to pick.
Like your mom's getting a huge promotion no matter what.
And Oscar is like, yeah, but this isn't about my mom.
This is about making me pick a side.
And Marie tells her that she's gonna have to pick a side eventually anyway.
So she might as well do it now.
But Oscar doesn't want to hear it.

(47:17):
Her mom, who we see for the first time, who is not even blonde.
I mean, I guess she's older now.
So maybe she could have been blonde.
But like Lady Oscar is so blonde.
And her portrait that she gazed at was blonde.
Maybe she's older.
So like, well, normally it's like either when you're tired, your hair super blonde,

(47:39):
it fades by the time you're like 12 or just stays blonde forever.
And I feel like that portrait, she was much older.
So I don't know.
Biological mom, right?
Like maybe her mom did die and this is like a second mom or something.
Well, I'm assuming we won't learn about that.
Yeah, we may not.
It may not matter.
That's my guess.
My guess is that this isn't her biological mom.

(48:02):
That's my guess.
Oh, yeah, we see her mom and her mom's like, listen, I'll go along with whoever you pick, dear.
It's all the same to me because she's just like so chill about this.
Oscar is like, no, I'm not going to pick a side and then she storms off and her parents
are like, we're just going to let her cool her head.
We cut to the palace in Vienna in Austria.

(48:22):
Empress Maria Teresa is like, I'm getting a bad feeling that my daughter might be screwing
thing everything up in France.
And she decides to send account mercy, a man with an enormous mustache to France to advise.
Yeah, I thought we saw her talking directly to her daughter.
I imagine she doesn't have very much faith in her daughter's political shabby.

(48:44):
It's just very funny that she's like staring out the window.
She's like, I felt a disturbance in the force that my daughter is screwing everything up.
Yes, it's very funny.
She knows what's up.
Yeah, she's totally right.
I can see why she's Empress.
Yes, we jump back to Oscar who's sulking.
Andre shows up and offers to spar with her while sparring.

(49:06):
Andre is like, you know, Oscar, you're lucky that you have a mom to even fret over unlike
me, whose mom is dead.
And he's like, just make a decision already.
Like you being like, obstinate is like causing problems for everybody.
And Oscar is like, yeah, but no matter who I pick, my mom's going to suffer.
I'm not doing that.

(49:27):
And Andre retorts that like, listen, the king ordered this man.
You can't.
There's no getting out of it.
You can't run away from this.
He even like gave you a sweet deal where you could pick who she goes to.
Like you're being pretty ungrateful here and your stubbornness is causing more
problems for everybody.
Yeah, it's she's very like self centered.

(49:49):
Oscar like doesn't even.
Yeah, it's it's.
Well, she's a weird one.
The thing I like about this is that it's very clear Oscar believes in like merit
and like doing things like a proper way.
You know what I mean?
And Andre is basically like, listen, this guy is the king and we just have to
do whatever he says, whether it's stupid or not.

(50:10):
Like I don't think you like you need to understand that we are being ruled by these people.
Well, yeah, I mean, merit is nice and all, but like by dragging her heels on things
like that, it just makes it worse for everyone.
For the people she supposedly is concerned about.
It's like it just be better for everyone.
If you just.
But with the flow every once in a while.

(50:32):
Yeah, I mean, this is Andre's whole thing where he's like, listen, I know you want
to like be virtuous and not pick any sides, but you can't do that here.
Like, that's not how this works.
You can't just try to be a political here.
Yeah, we're on episode four and already twice.
She's like on the brink of being a traitor.
So it's like tumultuous.
Yeah, it's good.

(50:52):
Having someone like that be the head of your military crazy.
Yeah, well, she's just the head of the Royal Guard.
Not the whole.
There you go.
Well, OK, that's true.
Yeah, which is why she can still get promoted in the future.
Oscar disarms him and thinks to herself that between the two,
Dewberry is deceitful and Marie is at least from a proper lineage.
So I guess she'd rather go with her.
We get a voiceover saying that Oscar chose Marie and we see Marie and Oscar's

(51:15):
mom walking together with Oscar close and heel.
Dewberry is pissed and rips apart her pearl necklace and runs away.
OK, I thought for a second that her being like, oh, you're going to regret that.
Your mom's in danger now.
I thought she was like pulling her necklace apart.
So her mom would like flip on her.
I thought I was like, this is so funny.

(51:35):
We did not. It was just goofy.
It's insane that she's acting like this in front of everyone,
not just her meltdown in her room, but like in front of everyone.
It's so good. I like how set like so pissed off.
She is.
While walking around, Marie recognizes Count Mercy.
She fills a bit on how cool it is to be the princess.

(51:55):
And he's like, well, where's the prince?
And she tells him that he's in his forge making locks.
And Mercy is like locks like the thing you open with the key.
And she's like, yeah, it's his hobby.
And he's like, oh, OK. Oh, my God.
So. I mean, listen, that's kind of a cool hobby to be honest.
Like that is like a cool thing.

(52:17):
But this is what he does.
And I like his job ever presented the opportunity to like work
in a forge and stuff like I feel like that's something that would be
so far removed from what they're doing at the palace.
I don't know. I mean, I think they're going to.
This is like the prelude to like getting across the point that Louis the 16th
was like absentee King.

(52:38):
Yeah, he was not there.
He was not the guy up for the chair.
Terrible match for both.
So both him and Marie are both like clueless
in there. They're supposed to be the head of the country soon.
That's troubling. Yeah.
Mercy overhears some gossip about what's what's really going on in the palace
and is horrified to learn that Marie has picked a fight with the most powerful
woman in France.

(52:59):
He's like, if this goes bad, this can lead to war between Austria and France.
We got to do very smash and more stuff up.
She goes to the king who's feeding himself grapes.
He's like, you're here to complain about Marie again.
This is nothing. I don't want to hear this.
And then do very tells him that by ignoring her,
she can't be recognized at court.
And she follows him around as he grimaces, trying to get away from his

(53:23):
like bad journey life. It's very funny.
This is incredible. Yeah.
I'm like, are you even getting any like seems like she's
more trouble than she's worth.
I mean, we can't speak for the part that he brought her on board for.
But it's so funny. She is so much.
She's just so hot, man.

(53:45):
And he's been so lonely.
It's been two years since his wife died.
Surely. Well.
Don't tell us that the lady who just murdered her husband a day later.
He got away with it. He did. She did that.
Yeah. There's no way he doesn't know that.
It's so funny.

(54:07):
Yeah. So he's like trying to leave,
but she tells him that by ignoring somebody in his inner circle,
Marie is basically insulting the king himself.
And King Louis is like, what?
Insulting me. That's outrageous.
And he sends a warning to Marie because he's an idiot.
He's so easily manipulated.
I totally see how do you bury it's like a charge of everything.
Oh, my God.

(54:28):
Marie, the ants and Mercy all receive the warning.
The answer like, oh, you've got to stand your ground, Marie.
While Mercy is like, dear God, this petty rival he was going to lead to war.
We cut to emperors.
And are.
They are actually her sister in law.
They're King Louis.
They're King Louis sisters. OK.

(54:49):
Yeah. I guess they never talked to him.
And this is like their only outlet to.
Get at him.
It's. Bizarre.
Like I wonder what they behave like when his life is still around.
Yeah, because they don't they don't hold a lot of sway necessarily, right?
Yeah. And they're all they all like I'm like, are they triplet?
They all like the same.

(55:11):
Are any of them married?
Like what's happening?
I'm sure they are.
It's kind of surprising that they're all here, though,
because you think they get married somewhere else and have to go there.
Yeah. Yeah.
So for like alliances with other countries, maybe they got married
to like other nobles in France or something.
Maybe there's even more sisters.
Yeah. There was a lot of their father was cursed with daughters,

(55:31):
just like Oscar.
That does tend to happen with royalty, I've noticed, which is very funny.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, well, OK, apparently.
I feel like when I was researching stuff that like there were two others.
No, I'm thinking of something else.

(55:52):
I think that like maybe some sons passed in infancy or something.
So there were sons.
They just didn't make. Yes.
Yeah, that also happens.
Like kids like, you know, the mortality rate for children was pretty high.
Mm hmm. Because, you know, they didn't have any kind of.
We're stronger.
Superior.

(56:13):
Let's go outside.
If you don't go outside, you can't get smallpox.
Yeah, let's see.
It's true.
We cut to Empress Maria Teresa getting a report from Mercy.
Maria remembers that she was very clear when she taught her daughter
about the decency of prostitution and she can't backtrack on that now.
Or Maria might think she's like a hypocrite and not listen to her.

(56:37):
But also, this is like a really serious political matter,
and she needs Maria to back down.
So she orders Prime Minister Cunitz, Cunitz, Cunitz,
I'm going to say, Cunitz to write the letter instead.
She figures that if the letter comes from the prime minister,
then Marie probably will listen to it, right?
There's no way she would just totally ignore it.
I guess she'll just ignore her queen, but this dude somehow has more slay over her.

(57:01):
Yeah.
We jump back to Versailles, where Mercy is reading
Marie, the letter from Cunitz.
Maria is like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand God.
The prime minister is such a grouchy old man.
Why don't I listen to this guy?
I didn't even know any of this stuff was happening because she's an idiot.
How did they know?
Mercy, how did they know what was happening?

(57:22):
No.
This guy from your country shows up and now people in your country
somehow know these things are happening.
You're such an idiot.
It's the next day and everybody is gossiping about the king's warning.
They think that this is it.
No, there's no way Marie will deny the warning and she's going to acknowledge
Dewberry today.
Dewberry thinks to herself that she was a commoner that rose to the ranks.

(57:44):
So there's no way she's going to lose to some brat.
She knows how to win political fights and the riches of France will be hers.
She also declares Marie thinks to herself that if she addressed Dewberry,
then she's acknowledging prostitutes and mistresses at court
and her morals cannot allow that.
Marie and Dewberry meet face to face and Dewberry waits for Marie to acknowledge her.
But after a few moments, it becomes clear that Marie is not going to do that.

(58:04):
She just stares at her.
Everybody is horrified and in a rage, Dewberry snaps her fan in half and runs off.
Dewberry rushes into a room and tears some bedsheets from the shadowy doorway.
The Duke early on appears again and he tells her to calm down.
He's brought a gift, some wine, and she's like, what is this normal ass wine you have?
And he says, yes, it is normal ass wine.

(58:25):
However, it is laced with a deadly, undetectable poison.
Surely somebody of Madame Dewberry's caliber could find some use for it.
We got to Oscar's mom reading a book.
She gets a visit from another lady in waiting who tells her that Marie has ordered
her to bring her some wine to Madame Dewberry's quarters for her and Madame Dewberry.
And Oscar's mom is like, well, that makes no sense.

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This is incredibly suspicious.
But the woman tells her that it's an order from the king, so she has to do it.
She needs to rat this made out after the fact.
This plan is so funny because it's so obvious to everybody, but they just have to do it anyway.
Her mom is just like, well, that is like doesn't make any sense.
Oscar's mom brings the wine to Dewberry.

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Her mom is like, oh, where's Marie Antoinette?
We brought glasses for both of you and Dewberry very dramatically and like way overacting
tells her that Marie is left.
We got to Andre rushing over to Oscar to tell her that her mother has gone to Dewberry's
apartment to bring her wine.
And Oscar is like, well, this is obviously a trap and rushes off.
Back in Dewberry's apartment, she's like, well, we shouldn't let this second glass

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of wine go to waste and tells another one of her ladies that she can have it.
The girl is excited and takes the glass.
She takes a swig and dies immediately.
Dewberry is like poison.
You poisoned this glass.
Why have you tried to poison me, ladies?
Are days?
Oh, it's ridiculous.

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Acting is phenomenal.
Yeah.
And just then Lady Oscar burst into the room and sees the dead woman.
Oscar is like, are you serious?
You killed your own servant for this obvious setup.
And Dewberry is like, I don't know what you're talking about.
And Oscar says that this is the most obvious trap.
You've clearly poisoned this to yourself to like set my mother up.
She throws the glass through the window and then she draws her sword

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and points to that Dewberry saying that everyone here just going to forget
what happened. And as long as she's here,
Dewberry is not going to lay a finger on her mother or Maria Antoinette.
Man, she's like forcing Oscar's hand to be against her.
She just chilled the hell out.
It wouldn't be this bad.
Dewberry collapses defeated while Oscar and her mom leave as we cut the credits.

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This is so funny.
Oscar is like, listen, you might have the king's ear, but I have a sword right now.
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
I try to think.
I mean, it seems like he doesn't care that much much about madam Dewberry.
I feel like if she just killed her, you know, like it'd be like.
Oh, this thing.

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No, I feel like he cares.
I feel like so many people would be fine to like dismiss it.
Yeah, because this whole thing is stupid, right?
I mean, the thing that is great about this episode
and like these episodes, which are great, is that like this shows off so well,
how like petty nonsense fights that ordinarily just like wouldn't matter
in real life amongst like powerful nobility become massive problems

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for everybody beneath them.
Yeah. Right.
Like the king doesn't give a shit about this.
This dispute in the same way that Oscar doesn't at the beginning,
except the king can continue not to care because it will never affect him.
Well, Oscar suddenly has to care because she's getting dragged into it.
Yeah. And it's great.
Can we talk about whenever she's sparring with Andre,

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the like speed at which they're dashing around like they're moving so fast,
they got to be traveling miles of how much they're like they're into it.
Running the little running scenes where there's
just the stills with the running sound.
I'm like, oh, my God.
Yeah, I feel like it's pretty crazy.
I feel like the way Oscar fights very often is to get pushed back

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and then counter because usually she's getting pushed back, right?
But it seems like she's doing that on purpose.
Good strategy.
Yeah, because that's what the dude would assume that would happen
if they were fighting anyway.
So just use that to her advantage.
Yeah. So I just noticed that that's the way she fights, which is interesting.
Yeah. I like these episodes a lot.
Yeah. It was.

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Wasn't as much about Oscar at first.
And I guess learning more about Marie
Antoinette and how susceptible to persuasion and pressure she is.
Oh, yeah. I feel like Marie comes off very poorly in these episodes.

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Yeah. And Madame D'Berry is like on hinge like
anything you say to her is going to result in like damage to something.
I mean, the thing is, is that like, yeah, she's like a Madame D'Berry is on hinge
where she's constantly breaking shit all the time, right?
But on the other hand, like not being acknowledged at court is a big deal for her.
Like this isn't a like I'm saying this whole thing is petty,

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but it is there are actual stakes for her not being acknowledged at court, right?
And that's the thing she tries to tell King Louis about.
And he just ignores basically because he's like, yeah, whatever.
But that is like a real consequence for her that I think is interesting.
I feel like she should just be grateful for what, how much,
how far she's come and like not care.

(01:03:35):
I don't know.
Yeah. I mean, you know, it's all about each other's egos and stuff, right?
I mean, this is where it's like, I mean, this is the thing that comes along.
And the thing that I'm happy about with this show is that like,
I was kind of worried that this where we were going to be like fawning over the
like luxury of the nobility. You know what I mean?
Like, I didn't know like what this position of the show was going to take

(01:03:56):
in terms of like what Marie Antoinette is like, what are the royals of?
And, you know, I know that the author is like from the new left or whatever,
but it's like, you know, this is supposed to be a biography or biographical
in some ways, right?
And I think it comes off very negative about all of these guys.
Well, yeah, basically, it's like these petty things between.

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Royals just has an impact that it wouldn't for that affects everyone.
Yeah.
Can you explain the left wing movement?
I guess like the new left in Japan from a while ago.
Yeah. I don't know any details about it.
You want just like a I mean, they're going to be leftist, right?

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So they're going to not like the nobility.
Yeah, I guess. I mean, I wasn't sure.
Like at that point in time, how influential
like Japanese royalty would have.
So like you mean like the emperor of Japan and that kind of stuff?
Yeah. I mean, it was very powerful during Imperial Japan got basically

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completely neutered after the U.S. reforms, the Japanese government.
I mean, it's still around and there is like, you know,
this more figurehead now.
Yeah, it's basically a figurehead now,
kind of the ways that most remaining monarchs are.
Yeah.
I assume the new left has something to do more with like communism

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and being close with the USSR or something.
Because that's what it that's like, it would have been the 60s.
So that would have been like the player in the gotcha.
But yeah, but like I do like how it's not going to be
awning over.
The royalty here, it's going to portray these guys like like assholes
who create problems for everybody. Yes.

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And like don't realize they create problems for everybody,
but think they're doing something really important, right?
Like the whole thing with Marie-Anne Zonette is she's just like,
oh, well, we can't acknowledge is like a prostitutes and mistresses
because I was taught that those are bad.
And like everybody around her being like, listen, you were supposed to
like, yeah, you were taught this stuff is bad, but you're supposed to not care.

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We're supposed to all be hypocrites here.
OK, you can't be going around actually doing things with morality
or like following your morals.
You're supposed to be doing Machiavellian power politics here.
Oh, which is.
Yeah.
Well, also like girls, this is a different country
and the rules have been set before you got here.

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And I guess you're not technically queen yet.
Oh, yeah. Well, she's like, I bet if the Queen's dead,
I'm basically the Queen of France.
It's like, no, you're not.
Yeah. Hold your horses.
So yeah. Yeah.
I think it's great.
I like how the Queen of France is like, no, you're not.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's great. I like how Oscar is like, well, this is stupid.

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And then she gets involved and she's like, well, this is the worst thing
that's ever happened to me.
I'm mostly just interested to see if like the show at some point
like makes Maria more likeable and like a friend of Oscars
or she's just continue to be like a thorn in Oscar's side.
The Oscar has to learn to navigate the relationship with. Yeah.
And like how much will be politics versus like if we start getting into.

(01:07:20):
The French Revolution, how much will be focused on like managing that?
Yeah. So yeah, I am interested to see where we go with this show
and like the whenever we do get like what will happen.
And then we cut to a time skip.
Yeah.
It will be interesting to see. Also, I just want to say,

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I think Madame du Barry rules. I think it's incredibly funny.
She's like, she's like, yeah, I was just like like a cool
court is on and then I married a guy and killed him.
And then I became like, she's like, I'm just a commoner.
I made my way up here. I should rule everything.
And I'm like, well, you know, you are more qualified than everybody else here.

(01:08:03):
You're more qualified than Marie Antoinette. That's for sure. Yeah.
And I feel like she's just going to be the cartoony villain.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Imagine the show is going to explore her. No, no, no, no.
I mean, she's setting up to get owned, right?
Like because I mean, even even duke Orleon gave her that wine
and she executed the worst plan of all time.
He probably knew that he probably knew that she's an idiot.

(01:08:26):
I'm trying to see like, what is the do trying to do?
It's she's so obvious.
I wouldn't like want to associate with her with my name.
Like if she gets caught, she's just going to throw me under the bus immediately.
Like she seems like a liability to incorporate into your plans.
Well, or at least through yourself.
Well, your face and name.

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I think the difference here is that she doesn't have an official position, right?
So it would be her word against Duke Orleon's a guy who has actual power.
So I don't think he risks very much by teaming up with her, right?
Because he could just dismiss her immediately.
Yeah, I guess so.
Which I think is pretty good.
And.
Is he in the military or the?

(01:09:10):
No. Royal.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. He's the he's the cousin.
He's so.
Oscar is his superior.
No. No.
You go early on the Duke.
Well, I mean, like within the military, he's not in the military or within the.
Sorry, I keep saying that the royal guard.
The royal guard, she's.

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You've got to be honest with the royal guard within that.
I just said I thought I just asked if he was.
And you said no.
I said he's royalty.
OK, he's not in.
No, no, no. OK.
He's the Duke of a of a place.
He's like that's his job.
The emperor or sorry, the king and like.
His son, they don't carry weapons on them.

(01:09:53):
Do they?
No. OK.
Because like Duke Orleon just immediately like killed that person disguised as Marie.
So I thought that was.
Yeah. I mean, so like what often happens is like upper class people or like, you know,
nobility will buy positions in the military, like officer positions.

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And they usually won't actually serve anywhere important
because they're just buying ceremonial stuff.
And maybe like that wouldn't surprise me if Duke Orleon did that, but he would have
bought that in the military, not the royal guard, because that would be weird
if you signed up to guard yourself. That's true. OK.
So they sometimes do that.
I don't know. I don't know if he did that and because he's like kind of isn't a real guy.

(01:10:38):
Yeah. OK. Well, yeah.
I guess he's the main main bad bad guy.
So yes. Or like the stakes of him being bad versus mad and do barrier different.
Yeah. Well, it seems like this arc is not over.
Right. It seems like the next episodes are still going to be dealing with this.
Yeah. And so I I'll be interested to see what he gets away with.

(01:10:58):
Like what was his real plan here?
Because obviously it wasn't this, right?
And also like he doesn't really care about Marie Antoinette.
I mean, that's not really he was trying to stop the wedding before to like
cause a stir. It seems like he's just trying to stir things up.
So we'll see. Yeah.
Having to adapt the game plan
and because I'm assuming it's going to be a lot of like Oscar foiling his plans

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and how long will it take Oscar to put the pieces together?
Oscar seems sharp.
Is she going to be able to realize and then it's just going to be a debate of like,
oh, he's, you know, in a higher position so I can't just make accusations.
And like, how would they actually go about like?
Exposing him. Yeah.
Kind of thing. Yeah.
Yeah, that's going to be difficult for Oscar to do.

(01:11:43):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
I'm like, I get a lot good cricket.
Stop with the squeak toy girl.
We're almost done here.
Oh, OK. Well, yeah.
So I guess that's what we've got this week with the show.
I did want to say thank you because I know on Spotify, at least we've gotten

(01:12:05):
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You can't leave a written review, but we have gotten a few more ratings.
I did want to shout out those folks who did that.
Much appreciated.
Gives us a good pep in our step that people are listening and,
you know, listening engaged enough to to leave a rating.

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Yeah. All right.
Let's see.
Did we what have we learned?
What have we learned?
Don't put fragile objects in the room of a temperamental person.

(01:13:34):
Don't have anything.
Don't have anything.
Don't have. What did we learn here?
They'll just get destroyed by others.
You should go the first.
No, I don't know who learned something.
I mean, we should have learned.
I don't think she learned anything.
I don't think anybody learned anything.
She said it was a pretty dumbass.
Let's see. If you're going to execute a.

(01:13:56):
You know what?
Nope, you go.
You go to try to set up somebody poisoning you.
Maybe like think about your setup a little bit more and not make it so obvious
that this is what's going to happen.
And also don't involve as many people.
If everyone already talks about you having poisoned someone in the past,
maybe change it up.

(01:14:16):
That I know the woman's weapon, blah, blah, blah.
But like, you know, it's too too easy.
Yeah, that's that's that's too much.
You're right. I didn't even think about that.
It's so obvious.
Everybody clocks it immediately.
And if you make keys as a hobby and you just got married,
like make a cute little key and lock for your new wifey.

(01:14:39):
Is that cute?
That's like for her heart and you have the key to her.
There's something.
Uh-huh. I don't know if that's all he's got going on.
He's got he's got to make it work more than just be hidden away from.
He does not see as much of anything going on.
You think they've constantly made their marriage?

(01:14:59):
Probably. I doubt it.
You think they're supposed to.
You have to get on your wedding day or whatever.
Well, yeah, I don't know what the French did the whole like,
let's everyone watch them do it.
I don't think that is not a show like I would.
I would think Maria had been would have like been not.
I feel like we would have seen something about it.
But maybe we're just not going to address that those things happen.

(01:15:22):
Hey, you're probably not in this like kind of Oscar without a mother.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK.
All right.
Uh-uh, on that note.
Thank you all for listening and supporting us.
And we will catch you guys next time with more coverage

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of the super dramatic show.
Yeah. So.
Yeah. Bye.
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