October 18, 2022 • 48 mins
The Marvel Universe has a new saga aimed at tweens and teens- Ms. Marvel - showing on Disney+. Fans online are giving this show mixed reviews, but what do Laura and Kara think? Kara is transported back to her childhood after watching, and we also learn Laura's husband is a Marvel Mega-fan. What do you think? Tune in and let us know! Plus - Laura watched Hocus Pocus 2 and gives us her review at the end of the podcast...yay Spooky Season!
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Kara Edwards (00:00):
The views and opinions expressed by the should
they watch it podcast are thoseof two moms who happen to be a
registered play therapist and avoice actor for cartoons. So
while they may feel theiropinions come from a
knowledgeable place, they arestill in fact just opinions.
Should they watch it? A podcastthat takes the task of reviewing
your kid's favorite shows upyour to do list? Hey, everybody,
(00:22):
welcome to the should they watchPodcast? I'm Cara Edward. I'm
Laura Orr (00:26):
Laura Orr,
Kara Edwards (00:27):
Dejan today. I am excited today
Laura Orr (00:33):
proud of you because I did not know how to sing this
song. You just dove right in?
Kara Edwards (00:39):
I mean, you know, I've got my superhero cape on in
my head. Sure. actuality.
Laura Orr (00:44):
Sure do. I sure do.
And I'm glad to see it on you inmy head. Actually. Yes. Today
we're talking about Miss Marvel.
Kara Edwards (00:52):
Give me a good superhero show. I have to tell
you. I want to start out byasking. Are you familiar with
the Marvel Universe?
Laura Orr (01:01):
I'm familiar with it?
My husband is way familiar withit. Oh, yes. Super, super fan.
He has seen each movie in theMarvel universe like I over five
times each one. I have seen acouple here and there. But I
kind of get lost in all of it.
(01:24):
It's just not my it's not mything so much about you.
Kara Edwards (01:27):
I am very unfamiliar. Okay with the Marvel
Universe. Have you seen any ofthem? I know I have. But then I
was listing them to my husband.
And I was like, Yeah, I've seenall those Marvel movies like
Superman, Wonder Woman and hewas like, cool, because that's
DC Comics. Yep. Those aren'tMarvel is like, oh, okay, so no,
I mean, I think
Laura Orr (01:47):
I have it all started. I feel like with Iron
Man once I've seen Iron Man.
Okay. And there's like three ofthose, I think. Yeah,
Kara Edwards (01:54):
I love Iron Man.
That was super fun.
Laura Orr (01:57):
And it's grown. I mean a lot and I haven't seen
all of it. But Jeremy managed toget me into the last two movies
of Thor has not seen Thor. Okay,well, he was able to appeal to
me because it's a little bitmore. It's a little bit funnier.
It's directed by Tyco. ytt,which is he's somebody I am in
(02:19):
love with actually and Chrishomework, I mean, if you have a
poll, so you're gonna enjoylooking at that. Okay, so that
one is the one that I'm mostfamiliar with. But there's like
Hulk, She Hulk? Captain Marvel,Black Panther? The Avengers.
Kara Edwards (02:36):
Okay, see, I've only I've only said that I've
seen black panther. Sobasically, I went into this with
no way to compare it to otherMarvel properties like this.
This was standalone for me. WhenI sat down and watched it.
Laura Orr (02:52):
Jeremy told me that this is one of his favorites.
Okay. And he really wanted me towatch it. He had already watched
it. By the time I sat down towatch it for the podcast. And he
watched it again with me. And Ijust wish you guys could have
seen that experience. Because Ifeel like you know, when you're
watching something withsomebody, and they love it so
(03:12):
much. And every once in a whilethey just look at you,
Kara Edwards (03:15):
because they want to see if you're loving it as
much as they are loving it. Yep.
Okay, that's what
Laura Orr (03:19):
was happening the entire time and I never really
know what to do. Like, do I lookback at them and smile and
thumbs up them? Or do I justkind of pretend like I'm not
being looked at right now? Or
Kara Edwards (03:27):
do you start staring at the screen with like
dreamy and love eyes so thatthey're like see we do bond we
are we are you mega react to dotogether? Yeah, like?
Laura Orr (03:38):
Or do you do the annoying therapist thing where
you're like, you really want meto enjoy this? I didn't do it.
But I did think that would be meand my poor husband. I'm the one
that's like,
Kara Edwards (03:47):
oh my god, stop looking at. What do you need
from me right now? It's drivingme nuts.
Laura Orr (03:52):
I know. I know. Yes.
That was what was happening tome in the moment. And I'm glad
that I watched it. I mean, I wasentertained by it. But um, I
don't know I I think I'm likekind of lukewarm about the whole
Marvel Universe. Okay, General.
I don't know.
Kara Edwards (04:07):
Okay, this is gonna be really interesting. So
I'm gonna go ahead and startwith our question, Laura, as you
take a sip of your water. Shouldthey watch it?
Laura Orr (04:16):
I'll say Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I'll say yes, it it was Iwas entertained the entire time.
I learned a lot about a culturethat I'm not entirely familiar
with just because of where welive and who I am and right. So
that was really cool. There werea lot of things to enjoy about
this. So that's where I stand.
(04:38):
What about you Kara? Should theywatch
Kara Edwards (04:39):
it? Okay. I very intentionally have not told you
how I feel about the show. Okay.
Because I am the biggest Yes, Ihave been of any show that we
have watched for this podcast.
This is my new favorite.
Laura Orr (04:56):
Oh my god.
Kara Edwards (04:58):
I love Miss Marvel I loved this show so much. I
could not wait. I thought therewere 10 episodes, there's only
six, there's only six in seasonone. And for some reason I
thought that was 10. So I waslike, I gotta plow through this.
I didn't even feel like I waslike I was showing up wanting to
watch the next episode in thenext episode. And with kinda sad
(05:21):
when it ended at six, because Imean, they resolved everything
they needed to resolve. But Ilove so much about this show.
And I can start with theculture. And I want to talk
about this. First of all, kindof tell everyone what this show
is about we have Kamala Khan,who is 16 years old, she is a
(05:43):
big time Marvel fan. She's goingto conventions doing the normal
fan girl thing, kind of fastforward through her family
drama, but she ends up at thisconvention, where she discovers
that she's got superhero powers.
And the entire series isbasically her journey of
discovering why she hassuperhero powers who her family
(06:06):
is. And they a lot of going backin time and getting a lot of
history. Not only real historythat actually has happened in
our world, but history withinher family. And just kind of how
becoming it's this coming of agestory for this young girl
learning to deal with these newthings. And I love
Laura Orr (06:29):
coming of age.
Kara Edwards (06:29):
I love don't wage stories, but I thought about you
because like I thought aboutbaby sitters club. Yeah, because
I know how much you love babysitters. And that's such a great
show for that, like young tweensage. Yes. I personally, as much
as I liked baby sitters club,and I absolutely saw the value
in it. Me personally, I did notreally enjoy watching it. Okay.
(06:55):
I loved
Laura Orr (06:56):
this. Did you ever see Spider Man into the spider
verse?
Kara Edwards (06:59):
Yes. And I thought about it. So I thought about it
written in my notes. As I waslike this is so into the spider
verse,
Laura Orr (07:06):
it reminded me of that as well, like, whenever
they would show, they would showreally creative ways of showing
text messages. So instead of itshowing up as like a little
bubble on the screen, which iswhat we're used to seeing these
days, it might show up as like aneon lighting at a storefront.
Yeah, I thought that was reallyfun. And it did remind me of the
(07:27):
spider verse. I think there'ssomething about having these
superhero stories told throughthe lens of a teenager that is
appealing to me for some reason,because I really also enjoyed
the spider verse. And for somereason those two stick out to me
more than like, Iron Man. Or,you know, the Avengers. I think
it's this, it's this age, forsome reason is
Kara Edwards (07:48):
it's very, it's very contemporary. I don't know
if that's the right word to use,but it is very of the now and
it's cool and hip and the waythat they use music and the way
that they move through thestories I loved in and I have to
say okay, so I have a little bitof a background here, story and
my history. And you mentionedlike you're not as familiar with
(08:09):
the Pakistani American culturesand the Indian culture. So when
I was growing up my very, very,very best friend Charu. Her
family is from India. And Ispent dare I see an exorbitant
amount of time with her family.
She was my friend that ourhouses were within walking
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distance of each other. She wasmy friend that like going to
charters house I'm going to hangout with Charu in her family. I
think I just had so much lovefor the Bruno character.
Because, because, well, firstly,he's a great character. But
second of all, I was like,That's me. Like I was the one
that was kind of brought intothis new culture. And I got to
(08:53):
go to all the parties. Theytaught me the dances. I was very
familiar with the food. I wasvery familiar with the music. I
even went to temple with them afew times. And so even though
their family was from India, andin Miss Marvel, they're from
Pakistan. I was I was fascinatedbecause all those years with
(09:18):
Charu I never knew the historyof Indian Pakistan. I literally
learned the history of whathappened to my best friend's
family watching Miss Marvel.
Laura Orr (09:33):
Yeah, that was super super interesting to me because
this is just not stuff that youlearned in school. It's not this
is not this is not the historythat we you know that they cover
for us growing up and so to hearabout this, the partition I knew
nothing about this. I didn'teither it was really interesting
and sad. It really sad
Kara Edwards (09:54):
and then you I also see how the cultures you
know, Charles family is Hindu inwhere as Miss Marvel's family
yeah, they're Muslim Muslim.
Yeah. And so it's, that wasdifferent like watching that I
was like, okay, so that wasn'twhat what it was like for them
when they went to worship. Itjust kind of recognizing the
(10:15):
differences and then regrettingdeeply that I didn't know more
like your friends about myfriend about the culture about,
I did study religion in college.
And so like, I've read theKoran. I read the Bible like I,
but yet still not connectingthose pieces until I watched
(10:35):
some show on Disney aimed atteenagers. Like, wow, but I
think that's why instantly, Ifelt like when the the music,
the culture, the so many things,the language is the same. I
recognized a lot of the words.
Oh, really? Yeah. When I wasunderstand I was demoing a lot
of it. Yeah, no, I was I wasunderstanding some of what they
(10:56):
were saying. And I think I justinstantly felt like I was home.
Like, I just, I was watchingsomething that that spoke very
deeply to me.
Laura Orr (11:07):
I love that. And I yeah, I mean, this, this show
takes representation so muchdeeper than I feel like what
American cinema is usuallydoing. And I feel like what
American cinema, at least what Ihave seen does usually is they
kind of take this take a Muslimperson or a person from East
(11:33):
Asia and kind of plops them in awhite environment. And so I
don't really learn much aboutthat person. The depth isn't
explored as much as it could be,but in this show, they fleshed
that out so much more. And Ireally appreciated the fact that
I had to Google things becausethey weren't making it to where
(11:55):
it could be easily digested bysomeone like me, like a white
person, right? Like, I had to belike, okay, if I'm, if you're
interested, you have to figureout what that is. And so I was
Googling, like, the slang thatthey were using, or some of the
history that just wasn't like,spelled out for me. And I
thought that was really cool. Itgot me thinking, yeah. And it
(12:17):
had me participating in theexperience, as opposed to just
being a passive viewer. Youknow, there's so many shows out
there where I could easilyabsorb the material while
playing, you know, a game on myphone. Yeah, I do that a lot.
And I could not, did not andwouldn't know what to when
watching this.
Kara Edwards (12:38):
I couldn't agree more, there was so much that
they brought like, you feel veryimmersed in the culture. And,
and they do it in a way that isvery authentic. And it is so
important. Like i
Laura Orr (12:55):
i Usually when you consider the racism that they've
experienced, and
Kara Edwards (12:58):
they address that in the show, yeah.
Laura Orr (13:01):
It written and just we all know that they did that.
People who move here, move herewith hopes of a better life,
prosperity, you know, all ofthese reasons that we talk
about. And I feel like they'vehad to defend that. Yeah, does
it? Especially since 911. And I,I don't know I, I really
(13:26):
appreciated this type of show,where we were able to just see
what that struggle has beenlike,
Kara Edwards (13:35):
yes, you know, 100% and they don't, it's not
sugar coated. I did seesomething that super shocked me
was when I went back and readthe reviews because I had so
much love for this I mean, MissMiss Marvel Kamala Khan is
Marvel's first ever live actionMuslim hero there's some I mean,
(13:55):
I just knew I was gonna getonline and it's like this is the
best show ever made. Not thecase a lot of people really mad
about the show and it has like asix out of 10 on IMDb which I
was like what so when they madabout they're mad because they
feel that it's not asentertaining as other Marvel
shows. I cannot I disagree onthat I just found this beyond
(14:17):
entertaining what was notentertaining about it and
they're like it's just notenough. They said it was boring
that there wasn't enough actionupfront that there wasn't they
almost made it sound like therewasn't enough like that the
fighting was to light I guesslike it wasn't violent enough.
And
Laura Orr (14:35):
you know not violence what and then focus too much on
the story we want more violencemore violence.
Kara Edwards (14:41):
If y'all are fighting that I'm not in okay
Laura Orr (14:44):
to be fair, I guess I don't know Iron Man it is super
explosion II now that I thinkabout it, so maybe they're in
and so is the Avengers, but likeare is that what they're asking
for? Are they just asking for acarbon copy of what they've
already seen in place? You know,and then Just like a different
face, is that what they'resaying? And I even
Kara Edwards (15:02):
saw complaints about when they went back in
history in the middle of theshow. And they kind of dug into
and explained what the partitionwas and how it affected. So many
people and I saw complaintswhere there were like, it was so
much worse than that. Theydidn't show the like gore. Have
they didn't show the peopledying, who died in there. And
I'm thinking, guys, this this isa show on Disney for children. I
(15:26):
would not have they got thepoint across, there's no
question that this was awful,and that people were devastated
throughout this. I don't thinkthat's left in question. I don't
think that I would have wanted achildren's show showing the
actual
Laura Orr (15:45):
right, they made it so it was palatable. And it was
developmentally appropriate forthe audience. I feel like there
is space to talk about that. Butit doesn't have to be all
encompassing in one show, right?
I think if you consider it assomething that's only going to
be talked about one time, thenmaybe you can miss that. But I
was listening to a podcastrecently. And it's a review of a
(16:09):
podcast called a pop culturehappy hour. And they were
talking about a show starringNeil Patrick Harris called
uncoupled, okay, and it's abouthim and it's kind of like Sex in
the City for for like, LGBTQplus population. So it's really
interesting show and it's, it'sjust but it was just okay. It
(16:31):
wasn't like groundbreaking,amazing, okay, and so they were
talking about that on the showon the podcast, and they were
saying, you know, it'srepresentation also means, and
inclusivity also means havingshows like this that are just
okay, you don't have to haveLGBTQI show shows and movies
that are like Oscar, GoldenGlobe winning, right? Fantastic,
(16:53):
amazing shows, because that'snot the reality of the landscape
of TV, like, there are going tobe regular shows that are just
okay. And we have all seen them,these heteronormative white
stars, you know, cisgendered andthe show was just okay. So we
(17:15):
don't have to put the shows thatare representing, you know, that
are representative of apopulation that isn't like that,
you know, majority or whatever,on this highest pedestal and
like it has to take these boxesoff and be like this amazing,
wonderful, you know, what I'mtalking about? Yeah, it doesn't
have to have to be superhighbrow. Yeah, it's okay that
(17:37):
it's
Kara Edwards (17:39):
just a good show.
It's a good
Laura Orr (17:41):
show to watch. And it does mention these things and it
had does have these importantthings about it. But part of
representation is, is havingsaturation, I guess is what I'm
trying to say okay, saturationincludes different tiers of
quality, different types ofpeople that it appeals to. So we
have here we have a show that isabout a is a Muslim protagonist
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who is a teenager so we have toappeal to teenager and people
who are Muslim who would appealto this and so maybe in the
future you will have a showabout the partition that is
geared more towards older folksand and includes the hard stuff
that you have to watch and learnabout but this isn't what that
(18:26):
show is and so setting thatexpectation is kind of also
pushing against this idea ofrepresentation where you're like
this is this is the only showthat's going to be about you
know Muslims and what they areno like this is this is like
opening a door to a much widerlandscape and potential for this
(18:49):
type of material. So that meansI it absolutely makes sense. I
don't know if I'm worrying youaren't
Kara Edwards (18:54):
actually no it absolutely makes sense like
you're right we we can have ashow like Ms. Marvel that talks
about and they don't hide likethis is not like partition like
guys like this is they don'thide their neck that this had on
people and they even say thingslike every Pakistani family has
a partition story and none ofthem are good. That is set in
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the in the thing and they evengo back and they show the
horrors of how many people werewere trying to get on these
trains how many people weretrying to get out and it's a
horror show I mean, they don'thide that and families being
separated and all the violent Imean, they don't shy away for
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how from how serious Idefinitely walked away from this
having never even learned aboutthis before. Yeah, I definitely
walked away from this going whata horrifying horrible situation
that so many people went throughI didn't need to see blood and
guts no to understand. This wasserious no I didn't enter awful
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like in and I think they did itin a way that was so beautiful.
And I think They did this in away that celebrated the the
Muslim faith and the Muslim youknow, in the culture, the
Pakistani culture in a way thatwas it's just great to learn
about you feel good while you'relearning about this and, and who
they are and how it works and,and it's such a great
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representation of of personallywhat what I know of this
culture, I just I felt like Isaid, I just I swear even the
mom even looked like Cerus mom,like, the clothes, everything I
just, I was I was downrightemotional watching this because
I have so many beautiful,wonderful memories from a family
(20:40):
that took me in and was soloving and compassionate with
me.
Laura Orr (20:44):
And I definitely want to talk more about the
characters because they I feltlike we're like the joyful part.
Kara Edwards (20:51):
Yes.
Laura Orr (20:52):
But I want to say something else about the
partition in those scenes.
Because I think that there's alot of commentary about, like
immigration and people who gothrough this. Yeah. That scene
where Aisha is, which is a greatgrandmother, yes, she is
realizing that where they'reliving is no longer safe, and
(21:16):
that they need to leave and gotry to get on the trains. And
she tells her husband that thisis what they need to do. And you
can see it in his face. He'svery sad. And he even says,
like, I've lived here my wholelife, I don't want to leave. And
she says, you know, we have tobasically it's unsafe here, we
can no longer live here. And Ithought that was super important
because it reinforces thismessage that nobody leaves their
(21:36):
home. Unless they have a reasonto leave their home. Right, you
know, no one's going to justpick up and, and move uproot
their entire life just becausethey want to just because they
want to meet, or at least, thatI mean, that is the privilege of
some, you know, but a lot ofpeople, especially when there's,
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you know, you know, governmentalor, you know, societal upheaval
are leaving because they need abetter life. And so I think
Kara Edwards (22:08):
they're protecting their family. I mean, there's
Yeah, they were they were evensaying like the British are
coming through, and they'reburning down houses, and they're
hurting people like we areescaping potential death.
Laura Orr (22:19):
Yeah. And so I think when we're living in a time
where immigration is such acontroversial topic, and there's
people who are anti immigration,I think it's important to tell
these kinds of backstories. Andyeah, enforce that message of
like, a lot of people move outof necessity, and they leave
people back home, you know,loved ones back home, it's and
(22:40):
then they have to adjust toassimilate, what have you and to
this new culture where somepeople might not want them there
or they are being intruded uponby I don't know the FBI for some
Yes, that's and they
Kara Edwards (22:56):
talked about, like, we don't want the
attention like we already haveenough negative attention. We
don't want more negativeattention.
Laura Orr (23:03):
So just trying to live our lives and
Kara Edwards (23:06):
take care of our families. And yeah, this is I
agree with you so much. This issuch an important it touches on
so many topics aboutunderstanding and compassion and
and yet does it in a way thatthat is so it's it's
entertaining as a whole while atthe same time getting across
(23:29):
these giant and importantmessages.
Laura Orr (23:33):
Yeah, they do a really good job of blending the
two of giving you the historybackstories showing telling you
these important messages, butalso the fun. Yes, because there
is a
Kara Edwards (23:43):
lot of fun, so much fun. So did you not
Laura Orr (23:47):
love the family that the family scenes were probably
my favorite if also Bruno was myfavorite, that's Kamal is best
friend. But I loved the the dad,Kamal, his dad was probably my
favorite. Oh, he's
Kara Edwards (24:02):
adorable. I love the way that they parented, I
wrote that down several timesis, you know, within, within a
culture that does have certaintraditions for female versus
male. And I remember seeing thatas as a child and with Cerus
family like they they had twogirls that were growing up in a
(24:24):
very different world of whereyou know, girls have so much
more independence and watchingher parents kind of grapple with
this new space, but thenallowing it to happen and loving
their daughters and I swear likethe whole time watching it. I'm
like, I know this family. I knowthese people and say they dad
was so great, so loving. I lovedthe compassion and Kamala is
(24:44):
Mom.
Laura Orr (24:45):
Yeah. Oh, man. She was such a sweet character I and
I love that they gave her thesecomplicated feelings, but also
it was just the love that shehad kind of overrode all that
yeah, um, I thought that theydid such a great job of having
these characters interact witheach other in a way that again,
(25:07):
it was like I felt like I knewthese characters, but I felt
like I was seeing somethingcompletely different.
Kara Edwards (25:13):
I totally agree.
And, and I love that Kamal hasYouTube channel was called sloth
baby productions. And when theywere like, Do you need a name?
Call me sloths baby. Like sheshe was lovable from literally
the first frame. Like you. Youwere in love with this character
from the second she appeared.
Yeah. You know, the who was theguidance counselor or the
(25:38):
principal of her school? I don'tknow if he was the guidance
counselor or the principal. ButI literally wrote down. Who is
this? What is this?
Laura Orr (25:47):
I want more of him.
He was hysterical. So funny. Iloved him so much like what
Kara Edwards (25:54):
character was or what human? Was he ever based
on? Because no person like thatever worked in any school I
attended? Because I, I couldhave gone so much further. I
know.
Laura Orr (26:03):
Right? Yeah. And when they take the time to give you
those little characters whodon't move the plot forward,
necessarily, but just enrich thesetting. Yeah, I am. I noticed
those and I love them so much.
Kara Edwards (26:18):
There's so many like, they, I mean, I'm telling
you, the extras are interesting.
Like they they really thoughtabout who all of these people
were going to be. And just addedin tiny little elements that
were so fun and entertaining,like when Kemal his brother is
getting married, and they'retalking about what the first
song should be like, what arethey going to dance to? And who
(26:40):
is the band going to be? Andthey're talking about how like
mom and dad have such intenselove of Bon Jovi they ended up
hiring a band called brown Jovi.
Yes, and they're rocking out.
Bon Jovi, like covers and it'sfunny and it's fun. And there's
even this great like, you know,it does like again nods to the
culture, but it was so much itwas done in such a great way
(27:03):
with Kamala has powers you know,are starting to be shown to the
world and, and still one of heraunties comes back and
immediately is like it's gonnabe very hard for her to find a
husband.
Laura Orr (27:17):
Yes. Still, that husband talk that you hear.
Yeah. And it also has really funcomponents of a teen show or
movie even. I loved that theysomething that I've seen a lot
of teen movies is theintroduction of the cliques
Yeah, like this is this groupthis is this group. They do that
(27:38):
in here but they do it with thechurch group. Yeah, so you've
got like this type of group inyour church this type of group
in the mosque so yeah, thechurch the mosque. This is the
you know, and then they had thewhat did they call it the and
was it like an Illuminati antinaughty?
Kara Edwards (27:56):
Yeah, it was a it was really funny. I think it was
the anti naughty or anythinglike that. Yeah.
Laura Orr (28:01):
So it was like a really cute. They were just
showing you like the subgroup
Kara Edwards (28:06):
selfie girls and the yes, the self care.
Laura Orr (28:09):
Yeah, it was really cute that they did that. So I
let you know. I love those nods.
But then they had like a spin onit. That was very unique. They
also had a sexy pool exit whichyou gotta love a sexy pool exit
at a house party. Yeah, no,there's still those little fun
components that you would see inlike a teen show that get me
ever Oh,
Kara Edwards (28:30):
yeah, there's little crushes. They bring in
the new guy. Yeah, yeah,
Laura Orr (28:34):
there's the the nerdy friend. Oh, yeah. Rue. No, no,
that you love so much loveBruno. And what I loved about
him was that there was love forKumala but there was no
entitlement to her. Yes. Which Ithink you can see in these teen
shows like ducky or movies likefrom Pretty in Pink. love him so
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much.
Kara Edwards (28:59):
Did you ever see pretty I sure did see pretty
important. Did you love Jackie?
You know, I loved him so mucheverybody did but I know where
you're going with
Laura Orr (29:07):
other he had a little teensy weensy bit of entitlement
to her hmm. And kind of threw athrew a fit. Yep. Whenever she
fell in love with Blaine. Uhhuh. And that did not exist at
least not yet in this and Ireally appreciated that because
there is this interestingdynamic sometimes between boys
(29:33):
and girls in that age wherethere's friendships that where
one person falls in love withthe other person and the other
person doesn't return that andthen the friendship part of it.
Yeah, dissolves or I don't knowit's it's almost like this. Can
there be platonic friendshipsright? Without this like, oh,
(29:53):
you led me on because you werenice to me. Yeah, nothing.
Anyways, I've been reading somesome and things about that. And
I thought that they did itreally well here that, you know,
while Bruno does love Kamala,he's not getting a return on
that from her. But he's alsoaccepting of that. Yes. And
(30:14):
staying her friend, I guess iswhat I'm trying to say, in my
long winded.
Kara Edwards (30:18):
But I know what you're saying. And you're right.
And they do do a good job of, ofshowing a healthy a healthy
weight and to navigate that,yeah, and watching her have
crushes on other boys. And
Laura Orr (30:30):
as much as that hurts, like remembering that
your relationship started as afriendship. And just because you
want it to be further, like morethan our than that does not mean
it has to be or she's like,obligated, right? And that
doesn't mean that because shedoesn't want that then all that
nice stuff led you to falling inlove with her and your lead. And
now you've been led on which Ithink that that dynamic has
(30:51):
happened so much. In real life.
Yes. And just as like, a commondynamic between friends, boys
and girls. You know, I'mthinking of that specifically.
And I know that there are othertypes of friendships where those
that dynamic exists, but likewhen I think about that,
specifically, it just issomething that I think is
getting a second look now Iagree. Yeah, I like because
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yeah, platonic friends can bemean friendships can be
meaningful, right. And I likedthe the way that they dressed it
in here.
Kara Edwards (31:22):
I did, too. I love the way, you know, and the pull
of him getting accepted intothis big college.
Laura Orr (31:28):
Oh my gosh, I was so nervous that he wasn't gonna go,
Oh, yeah. Oh,
Kara Edwards (31:31):
I know. And you know, and then recognizing like,
it's okay, you can do that. Andwe can still be friends. And
this there is there's so muchlove and compassion between all
of the characters. Yeah. Andunderstanding and working at
healthy ways of working outissues, even between the parents
and daughter. It just, there'sso much to love. Who do you
(31:54):
think the audience is?
Laura Orr (31:56):
I think that it really I didn't see a lot of
scary imagery. So I wouldn't beworried about younger kids
watching this. Right. And therewasn't a lot of like, super
problematic behavior, either.
Yeah,
Kara Edwards (32:11):
this was really interesting for me, because I, I
was like, I cannot wait to watchthis with Michael. And sit him
down because I just thought hewas gonna get really into it.
Neither Michael nor Remy, wereinterested in it. Yeah, they, I
think it was. I think everythingwas just a little too dialogue
(32:32):
heavy. Yes, it was a little tooslow little to. Again, there was
so much of the history and somuch to explain, and I think
they got lost in that. They'realso not at an age I mean,
they're six and seven. Sothey're not going to understand
crushes. They're not going tounderstand the you know, these
different relationship dynamics.
They don't understand the youknow, sneaking out or parents
(32:52):
or, yeah, this just there was nolanguage in here that spoke to
them. And so that made me thinkthat this really does hit that
tween age. I think so to tweens,teens and obviously adults
because I cannot wait for seasontwo. Yeah, I think Jeremy and I
are gonna have a watching party,which
Laura Orr (33:11):
I agree Daphne wasn't intuitive either. I think like
for those exact same reasonsthat you said not because it's
there's anything that would bescary or problematic for them.
It's just it's just a little bitsophisticated for for my kid.
Yeah, I'm with you. tween teenand up.
Kara Edwards (33:28):
Yeah, I literally wrote on my bad list because it
good is so long. And when Iwrote like, what would be
problematic? I literally wrote asome violence.
Laura Orr (33:38):
I mean, there is Yeah, teen issues question where
yeah, there's defiance there.
Like you said there is sneakingout. She's lying to her family.
At the end. She ends ventuallycomes clean things like that.
But it didn't. It didn't. Yeah,it's not severe. She's very, she
loves her family so much. Whenshe does lie to them sneak out
do this or that she regrets it.
(34:03):
Yes. She's She is very much acharacter who has a very loving
relationship with her family,which we don't get to see that
very often with a 16 year oldusually.
Kara Edwards (34:17):
Oh, yeah, no, no more complicated
Laura Orr (34:19):
than that.
Kara Edwards (34:19):
That's what I've seen. There's so much love
between all of these charactersI all of my notes ended with
honestly the show is perfect.
Laura Orr (34:26):
And one of the other things I really liked was the
friendship between Comala andNichia. Yes, I loved that
dynamic. It was one of myfavorites.
Kara Edwards (34:38):
shorted I love any supportive female BFF
relationship, but I I love thatthey hit it you know, she feels
very let down that Comala didn'ttell her about her superpowers
and yet they find a way toresolve that move past it work
together. Again, I just keep Ifeel like I'm just repeating it
again and again, healthyrelationships. This thing is
(35:00):
just chock full might I meanminus obviously there's one very
unhealthy Mother Sonrelationship that is explored.
But other other than that, whichis a kind of a major plot point.
But you with the clandestinegroup, but you know all in all I
(35:21):
it's really I just loved it likeI was really feeding me I kept
coming out every time I'd watchan episode I was like telling my
husband I'm like, I love thisshow. This is literally my
favorite. It was always ShiraShira has been my favorite that
we've reviewed, which is stillspectacular and worth the watch.
I just loved this one a littlemore.
Laura Orr (35:41):
This one was funny.
Like it was it was it had thatwas the thing that hooked me I
think is in the cleverness ofit. It's just very clever and
funny. Great character and a lotyou learn a lot you I mean, he
just there's just so much tothis show. It did feel a little
marvelously to me at times,which is when I think my brain
shuts down and I don't buy
Kara Edwards (36:03):
Marvel is that when it's like when it gets into
like the fights and they're likeshooting glass and powers. Yeah.
Laura Orr (36:09):
And then like we come from another dimension. Just
yeah, and I don't know why shedoes
Kara Edwards (36:15):
Marvel and all things got it.
Laura Orr (36:17):
It is part of that universe. You got to accept it.
There was it does get a littlecheesy, like at some points for
me. But I think tweens and teenswould love it like there I was
getting a big home alone vibefrom the school where they were
like taking on Oh yeah. All theylike shooting of the baseball
(36:38):
super silly. Yeah, that's got alittle silly for me and then and
then Kamal is power in itself. Idon't know. I wish I was getting
earthbender vibes from that.
Kara Edwards (36:50):
Oh, I could see.
Yeah, it's kind of like glassbender.
Laura Orr (36:53):
Yeah, they're like really pretty to look at to look
at. But when you think aboutwhat the other Marvel characters
are capable of, I was wonderingif there was I was trying to
figure out if there was anythingmore that she could have done
with that. But she's just get toknow her powers. Who knows? You
know,
Kara Edwards (37:11):
and I do think I think I read somewhere. I didn't
write it down. But I feel like Iread somewhere that there she is
going to be in a Marvel movie.
Like there is a movie coming outthat you know, cuz she is in the
original comics. Yeah, thischaracter. So it would be really
interesting. I also found itsounds like the Creator has
announced that the entire showis going to be released in
(37:33):
Pakistani cinemas, which I thinkactually may have just happened
and because it is unavailable,there is no Disney plus in
Pakistan. So to honor the heroesroots, they are actually going
to be showing this in cinemas.
Oh, that's cool. Which is reallycool. Like, again, to honor the
(37:53):
culture and the people. Which Ireally feel like this is yeah,
it's it's I mean, it isdefinitely a love story to the
Pakistani people. I just, Ijust, it made me want to pick up
the phone and call her the wholetime. I was like, I am going to
take her to dinner. And I'llgive you like I said, Tell me
everything because I and I'msorry that I was young and
ignorant and wouldn't have knownanything about anything that
(38:16):
your family would have gonethrough which Terry was born in
the US. So she she might noteven be as
Laura Orr (38:22):
familiar. Maybe at the time. She didn't know
either.
Kara Edwards (38:24):
But I know her parents and grandparents would
have been through that. So itwould be fascinating to sit down
and be like what was yourexperience? How revisit? Yeah,
if that's even something theycan talk about? So yeah, it just
again, it opened my eyes and manI've loved I love a show that's
entertaining. And you feel likeyou walked away with something.
(38:48):
Same it's so good. Okay, so I'mgonna do a transition like the
awkward transition that I'mknown for. Because because this
is how I feel like we can we cansay that go watch Miss Marvel.
Yeah, it's really good. It'sreally great. And we're gonna
talk about because we're, we'rewell here's the spooky season
season.
Laura Orr (39:07):
Have you guys been watching anything?
Kara Edwards (39:08):
We have not we so far like I'm still I'm still
getting decorations out at thelast imaginable moment. Trying
to trying to get prepared andget costumes all set up and
everything but there is a moviethat Michael said they're
talking about at school and hetold us this weekend we are
(39:29):
absolutely watching it no matterwhat. And it's hocus pocus to oh
because we've seen the originalone. I think we've even reviewed
the original one on this Have weever muted on the podcast
Laura Orr (39:39):
sync so last year we did an episode where we made
recommendations for and I knowyou recommend I think I
recommended the first one and wehave watched that one but we
have not seen the second oneyet. Have you? Yes. Okay saw me
everything the day it came out.
Okay. I saw it because I lovethe original Um, it was it's
good. It's, you know, the way Ilook at it could have been
(40:04):
better could have been worse.
Okay, but nothing can beat theoriginal. Yeah, you just can't
No matter how hard you try, it'sjust not going to happen. I
definitely think if you likedthe original, it's worth
watching. There are some funny,funny scenes, I think my
(40:24):
favorite thing that I the aboutthe new one was when they were
interacting with the new worldor the the modern world. Yeah.
And the confusion that came fromthat. And you saw that a lot in
the original. And I, it was sofunny when they did it then and
it continued to be funny. Now, Iwish there was more of that.
(40:48):
They do a lot of nods to theoriginal as well. If that is
your thing, if you enjoy that,then you will enjoy you will,
you will get a lot. Okay, Ipersonally don't love an obvious
nod. If you're going to saysomething that's kind of subtle
that somebody who's seen it like20 times is going to be more
(41:11):
like me would catch on to it,then I do appreciate that. And
you do get that actually, we cango back to Miss Marvel in a
minute. So I want to know if hepicked up on something that was
super subtle. I like that whenit's super obvious, or when it
feels like they're checking offa box like Yeah, it's like the
home alone to thing where theydo so much of the same thing on
(41:34):
the first Yeah. And then it'sjust like you're watching
Kara Edwards (41:38):
recycled lightly different versions of what
you've already seen.
Laura Orr (41:41):
Yes. And that doesn't feel super creative to me. They,
they, they they do it a coupletimes. And it's a hit. They do
it a couple times. And it's amiss. Okay. But overall, I mean,
I think if you enjoy theoriginal, you're gonna like this
one the all of the oldercharacters. No, no, not all of
them. Sorry. Some of them do notcome back. Yeah,
Kara Edwards (42:00):
I read about that.
I've been I've been getting allthe BuzzFeed articles about like
when the one girl's mouth is nowon the other side. And it's
because she wasn't able to holdit. Oh in her mouth that way
anymore, which I no judgmenthere because as someone who has
voiced characters for 20 plusyears, like sometimes you just
can't do those things that youcould do when you're young and
you kind of make changes thatseems picky nitpicky, right
(42:22):
super nitpicky,
Laura Orr (42:24):
they do they talk, they show a scene at the very
beginning of the three sistersas as tweens, which was really
fun, and I feel like you couldgo somewhere with that. And I
wouldn't be surprised if Disneydid. That was really fun. They
introduce you to somecharacters, and then just kind
of forget about them later,which was disappointing. Okay.
(42:46):
So I think as a personalpreference, it was it was
decent. Again, you can't beatthe original. So they did what
they could with what they had.
As far as appropriateness goes,I think it's fine for kids. My
daughter watched it and was notscared at all. And so I think
you're looking at like a sixthand probably,
Kara Edwards (43:06):
we're gonna watch it this weekend. I'm in I'm in.
Laura Orr (43:09):
So the thing about missing Yeah,
Kara Edwards (43:10):
I was like, go, I want to hear about
Laura Orr (43:11):
this. So at the very end, when Bruno is telling
Comala about her the mutationthat he found, yes. Did you
notice the change in music?
Kara Edwards (43:24):
Oh, I didn't notice the change in music. I
did read that. That is not inthe original comic book that
they don't there's no likedifferent genetic, anything and
no mutations. And so they'reinterested in like, is that I
wonder if that music change wasthe precursor to the movie that
they're supposed to be doing?
Laura Orr (43:43):
I don't know. But what I do know, yeah, is I
recognize that music change. AndJeremy was sitting right down
next to me, and he confirmedthat what I heard was actually
accurate. And I'm gonna do thissound to you. Because you know,
I love just saying, okay, Denonand ena. And that's all they
did. What is that? You will onlyknow what that sound is. If you
(44:07):
watched the X Men in the 90s,which I did not a TV show
excellent in the 90s, becausethat is the introductory. That's
the opening credits to the songfor the X Men in the 90s
dananananana. So they're tellingyou that she is the first X Men
(44:27):
in the Marvel Universe. Oh, sowhen you're hearing that they're
hinting at crossover land,
Kara Edwards (44:34):
y'all crossover, which they love to do
Laura Orr (44:36):
yes, they do. And it was so super subtle. Again, it
feels like it was for me, andthat is the kind of throwback
that you lack easter egg,whatever you want to call it,
that I love that it's blink andyou miss it. And it's only if
you paid attention to a certaintype of something somewhere at
one point in time and you'llpick it up and they did it in a
(44:59):
smart rollin it was the it ishow they ended it spoiler alert.
Okay, so I
Kara Edwards (45:03):
know there is a giant Marvel fan listening right
now you have to like, tell usall that, you know, what's the
next thing? What's the bigcrossover? His
Laura Orr (45:11):
name is Jeremy and you can
Kara Edwards (45:13):
call him actually we'll probably hang out this
weekend. Yeah. So
Laura Orr (45:17):
my husband is obsessed with the Marvel
Universe. And I'm telling youand that sound came out, he
looked at me and I was like, itwas like, did you catch it?
Yeah. And I was like, was thatexcellent. And he was like, from
the 90s Like, this
Kara Edwards (45:29):
is why you do like,
Laura Orr (45:31):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so if you know that, that basically
opened a large door and thenthey also opened up another door
if you watch the end credits,which they're known to do, of
the final episode, there's thislike, 32nd scene that I won't
spoil it for anybody but theyshow you that kind of also opens
(45:51):
the door to a lot of otherpotential. So I think they I
think that what, what you canpick up from this show is that
they have lots of plans forKamala, which makes me really
happy because
Kara Edwards (46:01):
that and it's smart to do stuff like this
because again, I'm unfamiliarwith the Marvel Universe. This
will make me watch anythingshe's in. Yeah, so it's going to
bring in new fans, for sure.
Laura Orr (46:12):
You know what I think you would also like, what is
Spider Man Peter Parker with TomHolland and
Kara Edwards (46:19):
seen that I want to see that one.
Laura Orr (46:21):
Teen superhero, okay, you like that? You know, with
the energy that they bring tothe universe? I think you would
like that too. And he's funnyand Okay, he's got like the
light hearted energy and he isan all you get a lot of the
other stuff too.
Kara Edwards (46:35):
And one last thing I do want to point out I'm
really proud of us that we'vemade it like an hour and not
made a single. We don't talkabout Bruno joke. I thought it I
did too. But I every time yousaid for you now
Laura Orr (46:52):
to my head no, no, no. Okay, always living in my
head. For sure. Heck,
Kara Edwards (47:02):
what are we reviewing next week? Next week?
We're gonna be talking about his
Laura Orr (47:06):
his da that one is?
Oh, a far left. Okay. Can't waitto talk about
Kara Edwards (47:12):
that's gonna be a very different vibe. Very
different. So different. That'sone looking forward to it
though. Yeah. Okay. So Hildanext week, please find us on all
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Laura Orr (47:41):
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Kara Edwards (47:52):
Awesome. Well, thanks for tuning in. And we'll
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registered play therapist and avoice actor for cartoons. So
while they may feel theiropinions come from a
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Should they watch it? A podcastthat takes the task of reviewing
your kid's favorite shows upyour to do list? Hey, everybody,
(00:22):
welcome to the should they watchPodcast? I'm Cara Edward. I'm
Laura Orr (00:26):
Laura Orr,
Kara Edwards (00:27):
Dejan today. I am excited today
Laura Orr (00:33):
proud of you because I did not know how to sing this
song. You just dove right in?
Kara Edwards (00:39):
I mean, you know, I've got my superhero cape on in
my head. Sure. actuality.
Laura Orr (00:44):
Sure do. I sure do.
And I'm glad to see it on you inmy head. Actually. Yes. Today
we're talking about Miss Marvel.
Kara Edwards (00:52):
Give me a good superhero show. I have to tell
you. I want to start out byasking. Are you familiar with
the Marvel Universe?
Laura Orr (01:01):
I'm familiar with it?
My husband is way familiar withit. Oh, yes. Super, super fan.
He has seen each movie in theMarvel universe like I over five
times each one. I have seen acouple here and there. But I
kind of get lost in all of it.
(01:24):
It's just not my it's not mything so much about you.
Kara Edwards (01:27):
I am very unfamiliar. Okay with the Marvel
Universe. Have you seen any ofthem? I know I have. But then I
was listing them to my husband.
And I was like, Yeah, I've seenall those Marvel movies like
Superman, Wonder Woman and hewas like, cool, because that's
DC Comics. Yep. Those aren'tMarvel is like, oh, okay, so no,
I mean, I think
Laura Orr (01:47):
I have it all started. I feel like with Iron
Man once I've seen Iron Man.
Okay. And there's like three ofthose, I think. Yeah,
Kara Edwards (01:54):
I love Iron Man.
That was super fun.
Laura Orr (01:57):
And it's grown. I mean a lot and I haven't seen
all of it. But Jeremy managed toget me into the last two movies
of Thor has not seen Thor. Okay,well, he was able to appeal to
me because it's a little bitmore. It's a little bit funnier.
It's directed by Tyco. ytt,which is he's somebody I am in
(02:19):
love with actually and Chrishomework, I mean, if you have a
poll, so you're gonna enjoylooking at that. Okay, so that
one is the one that I'm mostfamiliar with. But there's like
Hulk, She Hulk? Captain Marvel,Black Panther? The Avengers.
Kara Edwards (02:36):
Okay, see, I've only I've only said that I've
seen black panther. Sobasically, I went into this with
no way to compare it to otherMarvel properties like this.
This was standalone for me. WhenI sat down and watched it.
Laura Orr (02:52):
Jeremy told me that this is one of his favorites.
Okay. And he really wanted me towatch it. He had already watched
it. By the time I sat down towatch it for the podcast. And he
watched it again with me. And Ijust wish you guys could have
seen that experience. Because Ifeel like you know, when you're
watching something withsomebody, and they love it so
(03:12):
much. And every once in a whilethey just look at you,
Kara Edwards (03:15):
because they want to see if you're loving it as
much as they are loving it. Yep.
Okay, that's what
Laura Orr (03:19):
was happening the entire time and I never really
know what to do. Like, do I lookback at them and smile and
thumbs up them? Or do I justkind of pretend like I'm not
being looked at right now? Or
Kara Edwards (03:27):
do you start staring at the screen with like
dreamy and love eyes so thatthey're like see we do bond we
are we are you mega react to dotogether? Yeah, like?
Laura Orr (03:38):
Or do you do the annoying therapist thing where
you're like, you really want meto enjoy this? I didn't do it.
But I did think that would be meand my poor husband. I'm the one
that's like,
Kara Edwards (03:47):
oh my god, stop looking at. What do you need
from me right now? It's drivingme nuts.
Laura Orr (03:52):
I know. I know. Yes.
That was what was happening tome in the moment. And I'm glad
that I watched it. I mean, I wasentertained by it. But um, I
don't know I I think I'm likekind of lukewarm about the whole
Marvel Universe. Okay, General.
I don't know.
Kara Edwards (04:07):
Okay, this is gonna be really interesting. So
I'm gonna go ahead and startwith our question, Laura, as you
take a sip of your water. Shouldthey watch it?
Laura Orr (04:16):
I'll say Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I'll say yes, it it was Iwas entertained the entire time.
I learned a lot about a culturethat I'm not entirely familiar
with just because of where welive and who I am and right. So
that was really cool. There werea lot of things to enjoy about
this. So that's where I stand.
(04:38):
What about you Kara? Should theywatch
Kara Edwards (04:39):
it? Okay. I very intentionally have not told you
how I feel about the show. Okay.
Because I am the biggest Yes, Ihave been of any show that we
have watched for this podcast.
This is my new favorite.
Laura Orr (04:56):
Oh my god.
Kara Edwards (04:58):
I love Miss Marvel I loved this show so much. I
could not wait. I thought therewere 10 episodes, there's only
six, there's only six in seasonone. And for some reason I
thought that was 10. So I waslike, I gotta plow through this.
I didn't even feel like I waslike I was showing up wanting to
watch the next episode in thenext episode. And with kinda sad
(05:21):
when it ended at six, because Imean, they resolved everything
they needed to resolve. But Ilove so much about this show.
And I can start with theculture. And I want to talk
about this. First of all, kindof tell everyone what this show
is about we have Kamala Khan,who is 16 years old, she is a
(05:43):
big time Marvel fan. She's goingto conventions doing the normal
fan girl thing, kind of fastforward through her family
drama, but she ends up at thisconvention, where she discovers
that she's got superhero powers.
And the entire series isbasically her journey of
discovering why she hassuperhero powers who her family
(06:06):
is. And they a lot of going backin time and getting a lot of
history. Not only real historythat actually has happened in
our world, but history withinher family. And just kind of how
becoming it's this coming of agestory for this young girl
learning to deal with these newthings. And I love
Laura Orr (06:29):
coming of age.
Kara Edwards (06:29):
I love don't wage stories, but I thought about you
because like I thought aboutbaby sitters club. Yeah, because
I know how much you love babysitters. And that's such a great
show for that, like young tweensage. Yes. I personally, as much
as I liked baby sitters club,and I absolutely saw the value
in it. Me personally, I did notreally enjoy watching it. Okay.
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I loved
Laura Orr (06:56):
this. Did you ever see Spider Man into the spider
verse?
Kara Edwards (06:59):
Yes. And I thought about it. So I thought about it
written in my notes. As I waslike this is so into the spider
verse,
Laura Orr (07:06):
it reminded me of that as well, like, whenever
they would show, they would showreally creative ways of showing
text messages. So instead of itshowing up as like a little
bubble on the screen, which iswhat we're used to seeing these
days, it might show up as like aneon lighting at a storefront.
Yeah, I thought that was reallyfun. And it did remind me of the
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spider verse. I think there'ssomething about having these
superhero stories told throughthe lens of a teenager that is
appealing to me for some reason,because I really also enjoyed
the spider verse. And for somereason those two stick out to me
more than like, Iron Man. Or,you know, the Avengers. I think
it's this, it's this age, forsome reason is
Kara Edwards (07:48):
it's very, it's very contemporary. I don't know
if that's the right word to use,but it is very of the now and
it's cool and hip and the waythat they use music and the way
that they move through thestories I loved in and I have to
say okay, so I have a little bitof a background here, story and
my history. And you mentionedlike you're not as familiar with
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the Pakistani American culturesand the Indian culture. So when
I was growing up my very, very,very best friend Charu. Her
family is from India. And Ispent dare I see an exorbitant
amount of time with her family.
She was my friend that ourhouses were within walking
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distance of each other. She wasmy friend that like going to
charters house I'm going to hangout with Charu in her family. I
think I just had so much lovefor the Bruno character.
Because, because, well, firstly,he's a great character. But
second of all, I was like,That's me. Like I was the one
that was kind of brought intothis new culture. And I got to
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go to all the parties. Theytaught me the dances. I was very
familiar with the food. I wasvery familiar with the music. I
even went to temple with them afew times. And so even though
their family was from India, andin Miss Marvel, they're from
Pakistan. I was I was fascinatedbecause all those years with
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Charu I never knew the historyof Indian Pakistan. I literally
learned the history of whathappened to my best friend's
family watching Miss Marvel.
Laura Orr (09:33):
Yeah, that was super super interesting to me because
this is just not stuff that youlearned in school. It's not this
is not this is not the historythat we you know that they cover
for us growing up and so to hearabout this, the partition I knew
nothing about this. I didn'teither it was really interesting
and sad. It really sad
Kara Edwards (09:54):
and then you I also see how the cultures you
know, Charles family is Hindu inwhere as Miss Marvel's family
yeah, they're Muslim Muslim.
Yeah. And so it's, that wasdifferent like watching that I
was like, okay, so that wasn'twhat what it was like for them
when they went to worship. Itjust kind of recognizing the
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differences and then regrettingdeeply that I didn't know more
like your friends about myfriend about the culture about,
I did study religion in college.
And so like, I've read theKoran. I read the Bible like I,
but yet still not connectingthose pieces until I watched
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some show on Disney aimed atteenagers. Like, wow, but I
think that's why instantly, Ifelt like when the the music,
the culture, the so many things,the language is the same. I
recognized a lot of the words.
Oh, really? Yeah. When I wasunderstand I was demoing a lot
of it. Yeah, no, I was I wasunderstanding some of what they
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were saying. And I think I justinstantly felt like I was home.
Like, I just, I was watchingsomething that that spoke very
deeply to me.
Laura Orr (11:07):
I love that. And I yeah, I mean, this, this show
takes representation so muchdeeper than I feel like what
American cinema is usuallydoing. And I feel like what
American cinema, at least what Ihave seen does usually is they
kind of take this take a Muslimperson or a person from East
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Asia and kind of plops them in awhite environment. And so I
don't really learn much aboutthat person. The depth isn't
explored as much as it could be,but in this show, they fleshed
that out so much more. And Ireally appreciated the fact that
I had to Google things becausethey weren't making it to where
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it could be easily digested bysomeone like me, like a white
person, right? Like, I had to belike, okay, if I'm, if you're
interested, you have to figureout what that is. And so I was
Googling, like, the slang thatthey were using, or some of the
history that just wasn't like,spelled out for me. And I
thought that was really cool. Itgot me thinking, yeah. And it
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had me participating in theexperience, as opposed to just
being a passive viewer. Youknow, there's so many shows out
there where I could easilyabsorb the material while
playing, you know, a game on myphone. Yeah, I do that a lot.
And I could not, did not andwouldn't know what to when
watching this.
Kara Edwards (12:38):
I couldn't agree more, there was so much that
they brought like, you feel veryimmersed in the culture. And,
and they do it in a way that isvery authentic. And it is so
important. Like i
Laura Orr (12:55):
i Usually when you consider the racism that they've
experienced, and
Kara Edwards (12:58):
they address that in the show, yeah.
Laura Orr (13:01):
It written and just we all know that they did that.
People who move here, move herewith hopes of a better life,
prosperity, you know, all ofthese reasons that we talk
about. And I feel like they'vehad to defend that. Yeah, does
it? Especially since 911. And I,I don't know I, I really
(13:26):
appreciated this type of show,where we were able to just see
what that struggle has beenlike,
Kara Edwards (13:35):
yes, you know, 100% and they don't, it's not
sugar coated. I did seesomething that super shocked me
was when I went back and readthe reviews because I had so
much love for this I mean, MissMiss Marvel Kamala Khan is
Marvel's first ever live actionMuslim hero there's some I mean,
(13:55):
I just knew I was gonna getonline and it's like this is the
best show ever made. Not thecase a lot of people really mad
about the show and it has like asix out of 10 on IMDb which I
was like what so when they madabout they're mad because they
feel that it's not asentertaining as other Marvel
shows. I cannot I disagree onthat I just found this beyond
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entertaining what was notentertaining about it and
they're like it's just notenough. They said it was boring
that there wasn't enough actionupfront that there wasn't they
almost made it sound like therewasn't enough like that the
fighting was to light I guesslike it wasn't violent enough.
And
Laura Orr (14:35):
you know not violence what and then focus too much on
the story we want more violencemore violence.
Kara Edwards (14:41):
If y'all are fighting that I'm not in okay
Laura Orr (14:44):
to be fair, I guess I don't know Iron Man it is super
explosion II now that I thinkabout it, so maybe they're in
and so is the Avengers, but likeare is that what they're asking
for? Are they just asking for acarbon copy of what they've
already seen in place? You know,and then Just like a different
face, is that what they'resaying? And I even
Kara Edwards (15:02):
saw complaints about when they went back in
history in the middle of theshow. And they kind of dug into
and explained what the partitionwas and how it affected. So many
people and I saw complaintswhere there were like, it was so
much worse than that. Theydidn't show the like gore. Have
they didn't show the peopledying, who died in there. And
I'm thinking, guys, this this isa show on Disney for children. I
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would not have they got thepoint across, there's no
question that this was awful,and that people were devastated
throughout this. I don't thinkthat's left in question. I don't
think that I would have wanted achildren's show showing the
actual
Laura Orr (15:45):
right, they made it so it was palatable. And it was
developmentally appropriate forthe audience. I feel like there
is space to talk about that. Butit doesn't have to be all
encompassing in one show, right?
I think if you consider it assomething that's only going to
be talked about one time, thenmaybe you can miss that. But I
was listening to a podcastrecently. And it's a review of a
(16:09):
podcast called a pop culturehappy hour. And they were
talking about a show starringNeil Patrick Harris called
uncoupled, okay, and it's abouthim and it's kind of like Sex in
the City for for like, LGBTQplus population. So it's really
interesting show and it's, it'sjust but it was just okay. It
(16:31):
wasn't like groundbreaking,amazing, okay, and so they were
talking about that on the showon the podcast, and they were
saying, you know, it'srepresentation also means, and
inclusivity also means havingshows like this that are just
okay, you don't have to haveLGBTQI show shows and movies
that are like Oscar, GoldenGlobe winning, right? Fantastic,
(16:53):
amazing shows, because that'snot the reality of the landscape
of TV, like, there are going tobe regular shows that are just
okay. And we have all seen them,these heteronormative white
stars, you know, cisgendered andthe show was just okay. So we
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don't have to put the shows thatare representing, you know, that
are representative of apopulation that isn't like that,
you know, majority or whatever,on this highest pedestal and
like it has to take these boxesoff and be like this amazing,
wonderful, you know, what I'mtalking about? Yeah, it doesn't
have to have to be superhighbrow. Yeah, it's okay that
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it's
Kara Edwards (17:39):
just a good show.
It's a good
Laura Orr (17:41):
show to watch. And it does mention these things and it
had does have these importantthings about it. But part of
representation is, is havingsaturation, I guess is what I'm
trying to say okay, saturationincludes different tiers of
quality, different types ofpeople that it appeals to. So we
have here we have a show that isabout a is a Muslim protagonist
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who is a teenager so we have toappeal to teenager and people
who are Muslim who would appealto this and so maybe in the
future you will have a showabout the partition that is
geared more towards older folksand and includes the hard stuff
that you have to watch and learnabout but this isn't what that
(18:26):
show is and so setting thatexpectation is kind of also
pushing against this idea ofrepresentation where you're like
this is this is the only showthat's going to be about you
know Muslims and what they areno like this is this is like
opening a door to a much widerlandscape and potential for this
(18:49):
type of material. So that meansI it absolutely makes sense. I
don't know if I'm worrying youaren't
Kara Edwards (18:54):
actually no it absolutely makes sense like
you're right we we can have ashow like Ms. Marvel that talks
about and they don't hide likethis is not like partition like
guys like this is they don'thide their neck that this had on
people and they even say thingslike every Pakistani family has
a partition story and none ofthem are good. That is set in
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the in the thing and they evengo back and they show the
horrors of how many people werewere trying to get on these
trains how many people weretrying to get out and it's a
horror show I mean, they don'thide that and families being
separated and all the violent Imean, they don't shy away for
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how from how serious Idefinitely walked away from this
having never even learned aboutthis before. Yeah, I definitely
walked away from this going whata horrifying horrible situation
that so many people went throughI didn't need to see blood and
guts no to understand. This wasserious no I didn't enter awful
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like in and I think they did itin a way that was so beautiful.
And I think They did this in away that celebrated the the
Muslim faith and the Muslim youknow, in the culture, the
Pakistani culture in a way thatwas it's just great to learn
about you feel good while you'relearning about this and, and who
they are and how it works and,and it's such a great
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representation of of personallywhat what I know of this
culture, I just I felt like Isaid, I just I swear even the
mom even looked like Cerus mom,like, the clothes, everything I
just, I was I was downrightemotional watching this because
I have so many beautiful,wonderful memories from a family
(20:40):
that took me in and was soloving and compassionate with
me.
Laura Orr (20:44):
And I definitely want to talk more about the
characters because they I feltlike we're like the joyful part.
Kara Edwards (20:51):
Yes.
Laura Orr (20:52):
But I want to say something else about the
partition in those scenes.
Because I think that there's alot of commentary about, like
immigration and people who gothrough this. Yeah. That scene
where Aisha is, which is a greatgrandmother, yes, she is
realizing that where they'reliving is no longer safe, and
(21:16):
that they need to leave and gotry to get on the trains. And
she tells her husband that thisis what they need to do. And you
can see it in his face. He'svery sad. And he even says,
like, I've lived here my wholelife, I don't want to leave. And
she says, you know, we have tobasically it's unsafe here, we
can no longer live here. And Ithought that was super important
because it reinforces thismessage that nobody leaves their
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home. Unless they have a reasonto leave their home. Right, you
know, no one's going to justpick up and, and move uproot
their entire life just becausethey want to just because they
want to meet, or at least, thatI mean, that is the privilege of
some, you know, but a lot ofpeople, especially when there's,
(21:57):
you know, you know, governmentalor, you know, societal upheaval
are leaving because they need abetter life. And so I think
Kara Edwards (22:08):
they're protecting their family. I mean, there's
Yeah, they were they were evensaying like the British are
coming through, and they'reburning down houses, and they're
hurting people like we areescaping potential death.
Laura Orr (22:19):
Yeah. And so I think when we're living in a time
where immigration is such acontroversial topic, and there's
people who are anti immigration,I think it's important to tell
these kinds of backstories. Andyeah, enforce that message of
like, a lot of people move outof necessity, and they leave
people back home, you know,loved ones back home, it's and
(22:40):
then they have to adjust toassimilate, what have you and to
this new culture where somepeople might not want them there
or they are being intruded uponby I don't know the FBI for some
Yes, that's and they
Kara Edwards (22:56):
talked about, like, we don't want the
attention like we already haveenough negative attention. We
don't want more negativeattention.
Laura Orr (23:03):
So just trying to live our lives and
Kara Edwards (23:06):
take care of our families. And yeah, this is I
agree with you so much. This issuch an important it touches on
so many topics aboutunderstanding and compassion and
and yet does it in a way thatthat is so it's it's
entertaining as a whole while atthe same time getting across
(23:29):
these giant and importantmessages.
Laura Orr (23:33):
Yeah, they do a really good job of blending the
two of giving you the historybackstories showing telling you
these important messages, butalso the fun. Yes, because there
is a
Kara Edwards (23:43):
lot of fun, so much fun. So did you not
Laura Orr (23:47):
love the family that the family scenes were probably
my favorite if also Bruno was myfavorite, that's Kamal is best
friend. But I loved the the dad,Kamal, his dad was probably my
favorite. Oh, he's
Kara Edwards (24:02):
adorable. I love the way that they parented, I
wrote that down several timesis, you know, within, within a
culture that does have certaintraditions for female versus
male. And I remember seeing thatas as a child and with Cerus
family like they they had twogirls that were growing up in a
(24:24):
very different world of whereyou know, girls have so much
more independence and watchingher parents kind of grapple with
this new space, but thenallowing it to happen and loving
their daughters and I swear likethe whole time watching it. I'm
like, I know this family. I knowthese people and say they dad
was so great, so loving. I lovedthe compassion and Kamala is
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Mom.
Laura Orr (24:45):
Yeah. Oh, man. She was such a sweet character I and
I love that they gave her thesecomplicated feelings, but also
it was just the love that shehad kind of overrode all that
yeah, um, I thought that theydid such a great job of having
these characters interact witheach other in a way that again,
(25:07):
it was like I felt like I knewthese characters, but I felt
like I was seeing somethingcompletely different.
Kara Edwards (25:13):
I totally agree.
And, and I love that Kamal hasYouTube channel was called sloth
baby productions. And when theywere like, Do you need a name?
Call me sloths baby. Like sheshe was lovable from literally
the first frame. Like you. Youwere in love with this character
from the second she appeared.
Yeah. You know, the who was theguidance counselor or the
(25:38):
principal of her school? I don'tknow if he was the guidance
counselor or the principal. ButI literally wrote down. Who is
this? What is this?
Laura Orr (25:47):
I want more of him.
He was hysterical. So funny. Iloved him so much like what
Kara Edwards (25:54):
character was or what human? Was he ever based
on? Because no person like thatever worked in any school I
attended? Because I, I couldhave gone so much further. I
know.
Laura Orr (26:03):
Right? Yeah. And when they take the time to give you
those little characters whodon't move the plot forward,
necessarily, but just enrich thesetting. Yeah, I am. I noticed
those and I love them so much.
Kara Edwards (26:18):
There's so many like, they, I mean, I'm telling
you, the extras are interesting.
Like they they really thoughtabout who all of these people
were going to be. And just addedin tiny little elements that
were so fun and entertaining,like when Kemal his brother is
getting married, and they'retalking about what the first
song should be like, what arethey going to dance to? And who
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is the band going to be? Andthey're talking about how like
mom and dad have such intenselove of Bon Jovi they ended up
hiring a band called brown Jovi.
Yes, and they're rocking out.
Bon Jovi, like covers and it'sfunny and it's fun. And there's
even this great like, you know,it does like again nods to the
culture, but it was so much itwas done in such a great way
(27:03):
with Kamala has powers you know,are starting to be shown to the
world and, and still one of heraunties comes back and
immediately is like it's gonnabe very hard for her to find a
husband.
Laura Orr (27:17):
Yes. Still, that husband talk that you hear.
Yeah. And it also has really funcomponents of a teen show or
movie even. I loved that theysomething that I've seen a lot
of teen movies is theintroduction of the cliques
Yeah, like this is this groupthis is this group. They do that
(27:38):
in here but they do it with thechurch group. Yeah, so you've
got like this type of group inyour church this type of group
in the mosque so yeah, thechurch the mosque. This is the
you know, and then they had thewhat did they call it the and
was it like an Illuminati antinaughty?
Kara Edwards (27:56):
Yeah, it was a it was really funny. I think it was
the anti naughty or anythinglike that. Yeah.
Laura Orr (28:01):
So it was like a really cute. They were just
showing you like the subgroup
Kara Edwards (28:06):
selfie girls and the yes, the self care.
Laura Orr (28:09):
Yeah, it was really cute that they did that. So I
let you know. I love those nods.
But then they had like a spin onit. That was very unique. They
also had a sexy pool exit whichyou gotta love a sexy pool exit
at a house party. Yeah, no,there's still those little fun
components that you would see inlike a teen show that get me
ever Oh,
Kara Edwards (28:30):
yeah, there's little crushes. They bring in
the new guy. Yeah, yeah,
Laura Orr (28:34):
there's the the nerdy friend. Oh, yeah. Rue. No, no,
that you love so much loveBruno. And what I loved about
him was that there was love forKumala but there was no
entitlement to her. Yes. Which Ithink you can see in these teen
shows like ducky or movies likefrom Pretty in Pink. love him so
(28:58):
much.
Kara Edwards (28:59):
Did you ever see pretty I sure did see pretty
important. Did you love Jackie?
You know, I loved him so mucheverybody did but I know where
you're going with
Laura Orr (29:07):
other he had a little teensy weensy bit of entitlement
to her hmm. And kind of threw athrew a fit. Yep. Whenever she
fell in love with Blaine. Uhhuh. And that did not exist at
least not yet in this and Ireally appreciated that because
there is this interestingdynamic sometimes between boys
(29:33):
and girls in that age wherethere's friendships that where
one person falls in love withthe other person and the other
person doesn't return that andthen the friendship part of it.
Yeah, dissolves or I don't knowit's it's almost like this. Can
there be platonic friendshipsright? Without this like, oh,
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you led me on because you werenice to me. Yeah, nothing.
Anyways, I've been reading somesome and things about that. And
I thought that they did itreally well here that, you know,
while Bruno does love Kamala,he's not getting a return on
that from her. But he's alsoaccepting of that. Yes. And
(30:14):
staying her friend, I guess iswhat I'm trying to say, in my
long winded.
Kara Edwards (30:18):
But I know what you're saying. And you're right.
And they do do a good job of, ofshowing a healthy a healthy
weight and to navigate that,yeah, and watching her have
crushes on other boys. And
Laura Orr (30:30):
as much as that hurts, like remembering that
your relationship started as afriendship. And just because you
want it to be further, like morethan our than that does not mean
it has to be or she's like,obligated, right? And that
doesn't mean that because shedoesn't want that then all that
nice stuff led you to falling inlove with her and your lead. And
now you've been led on which Ithink that that dynamic has
(30:51):
happened so much. In real life.
Yes. And just as like, a commondynamic between friends, boys
and girls. You know, I'mthinking of that specifically.
And I know that there are othertypes of friendships where those
that dynamic exists, but likewhen I think about that,
specifically, it just issomething that I think is
getting a second look now Iagree. Yeah, I like because
(31:12):
yeah, platonic friends can bemean friendships can be
meaningful, right. And I likedthe the way that they dressed it
in here.
Kara Edwards (31:22):
I did, too. I love the way, you know, and the pull
of him getting accepted intothis big college.
Laura Orr (31:28):
Oh my gosh, I was so nervous that he wasn't gonna go,
Oh, yeah. Oh,
Kara Edwards (31:31):
I know. And you know, and then recognizing like,
it's okay, you can do that. Andwe can still be friends. And
this there is there's so muchlove and compassion between all
of the characters. Yeah. Andunderstanding and working at
healthy ways of working outissues, even between the parents
and daughter. It just, there'sso much to love. Who do you
(31:54):
think the audience is?
Laura Orr (31:56):
I think that it really I didn't see a lot of
scary imagery. So I wouldn't beworried about younger kids
watching this. Right. And therewasn't a lot of like, super
problematic behavior, either.
Yeah,
Kara Edwards (32:11):
this was really interesting for me, because I, I
was like, I cannot wait to watchthis with Michael. And sit him
down because I just thought hewas gonna get really into it.
Neither Michael nor Remy, wereinterested in it. Yeah, they, I
think it was. I think everythingwas just a little too dialogue
(32:32):
heavy. Yes, it was a little tooslow little to. Again, there was
so much of the history and somuch to explain, and I think
they got lost in that. They'realso not at an age I mean,
they're six and seven. Sothey're not going to understand
crushes. They're not going tounderstand the you know, these
different relationship dynamics.
They don't understand the youknow, sneaking out or parents
(32:52):
or, yeah, this just there was nolanguage in here that spoke to
them. And so that made me thinkthat this really does hit that
tween age. I think so to tweens,teens and obviously adults
because I cannot wait for seasontwo. Yeah, I think Jeremy and I
are gonna have a watching party,which
Laura Orr (33:11):
I agree Daphne wasn't intuitive either. I think like
for those exact same reasonsthat you said not because it's
there's anything that would bescary or problematic for them.
It's just it's just a little bitsophisticated for for my kid.
Yeah, I'm with you. tween teenand up.
Kara Edwards (33:28):
Yeah, I literally wrote on my bad list because it
good is so long. And when Iwrote like, what would be
problematic? I literally wrote asome violence.
Laura Orr (33:38):
I mean, there is Yeah, teen issues question where
yeah, there's defiance there.
Like you said there is sneakingout. She's lying to her family.
At the end. She ends ventuallycomes clean things like that.
But it didn't. It didn't. Yeah,it's not severe. She's very, she
loves her family so much. Whenshe does lie to them sneak out
do this or that she regrets it.
(34:03):
Yes. She's She is very much acharacter who has a very loving
relationship with her family,which we don't get to see that
very often with a 16 year oldusually.
Kara Edwards (34:17):
Oh, yeah, no, no more complicated
Laura Orr (34:19):
than that.
Kara Edwards (34:19):
That's what I've seen. There's so much love
between all of these charactersI all of my notes ended with
honestly the show is perfect.
Laura Orr (34:26):
And one of the other things I really liked was the
friendship between Comala andNichia. Yes, I loved that
dynamic. It was one of myfavorites.
Kara Edwards (34:38):
shorted I love any supportive female BFF
relationship, but I I love thatthey hit it you know, she feels
very let down that Comala didn'ttell her about her superpowers
and yet they find a way toresolve that move past it work
together. Again, I just keep Ifeel like I'm just repeating it
again and again, healthyrelationships. This thing is
(35:00):
just chock full might I meanminus obviously there's one very
unhealthy Mother Sonrelationship that is explored.
But other other than that, whichis a kind of a major plot point.
But you with the clandestinegroup, but you know all in all I
(35:21):
it's really I just loved it likeI was really feeding me I kept
coming out every time I'd watchan episode I was like telling my
husband I'm like, I love thisshow. This is literally my
favorite. It was always ShiraShira has been my favorite that
we've reviewed, which is stillspectacular and worth the watch.
I just loved this one a littlemore.
Laura Orr (35:41):
This one was funny.
Like it was it was it had thatwas the thing that hooked me I
think is in the cleverness ofit. It's just very clever and
funny. Great character and a lotyou learn a lot you I mean, he
just there's just so much tothis show. It did feel a little
marvelously to me at times,which is when I think my brain
shuts down and I don't buy
Kara Edwards (36:03):
Marvel is that when it's like when it gets into
like the fights and they're likeshooting glass and powers. Yeah.
Laura Orr (36:09):
And then like we come from another dimension. Just
yeah, and I don't know why shedoes
Kara Edwards (36:15):
Marvel and all things got it.
Laura Orr (36:17):
It is part of that universe. You got to accept it.
There was it does get a littlecheesy, like at some points for
me. But I think tweens and teenswould love it like there I was
getting a big home alone vibefrom the school where they were
like taking on Oh yeah. All theylike shooting of the baseball
(36:38):
super silly. Yeah, that's got alittle silly for me and then and
then Kamal is power in itself. Idon't know. I wish I was getting
earthbender vibes from that.
Kara Edwards (36:50):
Oh, I could see.
Yeah, it's kind of like glassbender.
Laura Orr (36:53):
Yeah, they're like really pretty to look at to look
at. But when you think aboutwhat the other Marvel characters
are capable of, I was wonderingif there was I was trying to
figure out if there was anythingmore that she could have done
with that. But she's just get toknow her powers. Who knows? You
know,
Kara Edwards (37:11):
and I do think I think I read somewhere. I didn't
write it down. But I feel like Iread somewhere that there she is
going to be in a Marvel movie.
Like there is a movie coming outthat you know, cuz she is in the
original comics. Yeah, thischaracter. So it would be really
interesting. I also found itsounds like the Creator has
announced that the entire showis going to be released in
(37:33):
Pakistani cinemas, which I thinkactually may have just happened
and because it is unavailable,there is no Disney plus in
Pakistan. So to honor the heroesroots, they are actually going
to be showing this in cinemas.
Oh, that's cool. Which is reallycool. Like, again, to honor the
(37:53):
culture and the people. Which Ireally feel like this is yeah,
it's it's I mean, it isdefinitely a love story to the
Pakistani people. I just, Ijust, it made me want to pick up
the phone and call her the wholetime. I was like, I am going to
take her to dinner. And I'llgive you like I said, Tell me
everything because I and I'msorry that I was young and
ignorant and wouldn't have knownanything about anything that
(38:16):
your family would have gonethrough which Terry was born in
the US. So she she might noteven be as
Laura Orr (38:22):
familiar. Maybe at the time. She didn't know
either.
Kara Edwards (38:24):
But I know her parents and grandparents would
have been through that. So itwould be fascinating to sit down
and be like what was yourexperience? How revisit? Yeah,
if that's even something theycan talk about? So yeah, it just
again, it opened my eyes and manI've loved I love a show that's
entertaining. And you feel likeyou walked away with something.
(38:48):
Same it's so good. Okay, so I'mgonna do a transition like the
awkward transition that I'mknown for. Because because this
is how I feel like we can we cansay that go watch Miss Marvel.
Yeah, it's really good. It'sreally great. And we're gonna
talk about because we're, we'rewell here's the spooky season
season.
Laura Orr (39:07):
Have you guys been watching anything?
Kara Edwards (39:08):
We have not we so far like I'm still I'm still
getting decorations out at thelast imaginable moment. Trying
to trying to get prepared andget costumes all set up and
everything but there is a moviethat Michael said they're
talking about at school and hetold us this weekend we are
(39:29):
absolutely watching it no matterwhat. And it's hocus pocus to oh
because we've seen the originalone. I think we've even reviewed
the original one on this Have weever muted on the podcast
Laura Orr (39:39):
sync so last year we did an episode where we made
recommendations for and I knowyou recommend I think I
recommended the first one and wehave watched that one but we
have not seen the second oneyet. Have you? Yes. Okay saw me
everything the day it came out.
Okay. I saw it because I lovethe original Um, it was it's
good. It's, you know, the way Ilook at it could have been
(40:04):
better could have been worse.
Okay, but nothing can beat theoriginal. Yeah, you just can't
No matter how hard you try, it'sjust not going to happen. I
definitely think if you likedthe original, it's worth
watching. There are some funny,funny scenes, I think my
(40:24):
favorite thing that I the aboutthe new one was when they were
interacting with the new worldor the the modern world. Yeah.
And the confusion that came fromthat. And you saw that a lot in
the original. And I, it was sofunny when they did it then and
it continued to be funny. Now, Iwish there was more of that.
(40:48):
They do a lot of nods to theoriginal as well. If that is
your thing, if you enjoy that,then you will enjoy you will,
you will get a lot. Okay, Ipersonally don't love an obvious
nod. If you're going to saysomething that's kind of subtle
that somebody who's seen it like20 times is going to be more
(41:11):
like me would catch on to it,then I do appreciate that. And
you do get that actually, we cango back to Miss Marvel in a
minute. So I want to know if hepicked up on something that was
super subtle. I like that whenit's super obvious, or when it
feels like they're checking offa box like Yeah, it's like the
home alone to thing where theydo so much of the same thing on
(41:34):
the first Yeah. And then it'sjust like you're watching
Kara Edwards (41:38):
recycled lightly different versions of what
you've already seen.
Laura Orr (41:41):
Yes. And that doesn't feel super creative to me. They,
they, they they do it a coupletimes. And it's a hit. They do
it a couple times. And it's amiss. Okay. But overall, I mean,
I think if you enjoy theoriginal, you're gonna like this
one the all of the oldercharacters. No, no, not all of
them. Sorry. Some of them do notcome back. Yeah,
Kara Edwards (42:00):
I read about that.
I've been I've been getting allthe BuzzFeed articles about like
when the one girl's mouth is nowon the other side. And it's
because she wasn't able to holdit. Oh in her mouth that way
anymore, which I no judgmenthere because as someone who has
voiced characters for 20 plusyears, like sometimes you just
can't do those things that youcould do when you're young and
you kind of make changes thatseems picky nitpicky, right
(42:22):
super nitpicky,
Laura Orr (42:24):
they do they talk, they show a scene at the very
beginning of the three sistersas as tweens, which was really
fun, and I feel like you couldgo somewhere with that. And I
wouldn't be surprised if Disneydid. That was really fun. They
introduce you to somecharacters, and then just kind
of forget about them later,which was disappointing. Okay.
(42:46):
So I think as a personalpreference, it was it was
decent. Again, you can't beatthe original. So they did what
they could with what they had.
As far as appropriateness goes,I think it's fine for kids. My
daughter watched it and was notscared at all. And so I think
you're looking at like a sixthand probably,
Kara Edwards (43:06):
we're gonna watch it this weekend. I'm in I'm in.
Laura Orr (43:09):
So the thing about missing Yeah,
Kara Edwards (43:10):
I was like, go, I want to hear about
Laura Orr (43:11):
this. So at the very end, when Bruno is telling
Comala about her the mutationthat he found, yes. Did you
notice the change in music?
Kara Edwards (43:24):
Oh, I didn't notice the change in music. I
did read that. That is not inthe original comic book that
they don't there's no likedifferent genetic, anything and
no mutations. And so they'reinterested in like, is that I
wonder if that music change wasthe precursor to the movie that
they're supposed to be doing?
Laura Orr (43:43):
I don't know. But what I do know, yeah, is I
recognize that music change. AndJeremy was sitting right down
next to me, and he confirmedthat what I heard was actually
accurate. And I'm gonna do thissound to you. Because you know,
I love just saying, okay, Denonand ena. And that's all they
did. What is that? You will onlyknow what that sound is. If you
(44:07):
watched the X Men in the 90s,which I did not a TV show
excellent in the 90s, becausethat is the introductory. That's
the opening credits to the songfor the X Men in the 90s
dananananana. So they're tellingyou that she is the first X Men
(44:27):
in the Marvel Universe. Oh, sowhen you're hearing that they're
hinting at crossover land,
Kara Edwards (44:34):
y'all crossover, which they love to do
Laura Orr (44:36):
yes, they do. And it was so super subtle. Again, it
feels like it was for me, andthat is the kind of throwback
that you lack easter egg,whatever you want to call it,
that I love that it's blink andyou miss it. And it's only if
you paid attention to a certaintype of something somewhere at
one point in time and you'llpick it up and they did it in a
(44:59):
smart rollin it was the it ishow they ended it spoiler alert.
Okay, so I
Kara Edwards (45:03):
know there is a giant Marvel fan listening right
now you have to like, tell usall that, you know, what's the
next thing? What's the bigcrossover? His
Laura Orr (45:11):
name is Jeremy and you can
Kara Edwards (45:13):
call him actually we'll probably hang out this
weekend. Yeah. So
Laura Orr (45:17):
my husband is obsessed with the Marvel
Universe. And I'm telling youand that sound came out, he
looked at me and I was like, itwas like, did you catch it?
Yeah. And I was like, was thatexcellent. And he was like, from
the 90s Like, this
Kara Edwards (45:29):
is why you do like,
Laura Orr (45:31):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so if you know that, that basically
opened a large door and thenthey also opened up another door
if you watch the end credits,which they're known to do, of
the final episode, there's thislike, 32nd scene that I won't
spoil it for anybody but theyshow you that kind of also opens
(45:51):
the door to a lot of otherpotential. So I think they I
think that what, what you canpick up from this show is that
they have lots of plans forKamala, which makes me really
happy because
Kara Edwards (46:01):
that and it's smart to do stuff like this
because again, I'm unfamiliarwith the Marvel Universe. This
will make me watch anythingshe's in. Yeah, so it's going to
bring in new fans, for sure.
Laura Orr (46:12):
You know what I think you would also like, what is
Spider Man Peter Parker with TomHolland and
Kara Edwards (46:19):
seen that I want to see that one.
Laura Orr (46:21):
Teen superhero, okay, you like that? You know, with
the energy that they bring tothe universe? I think you would
like that too. And he's funnyand Okay, he's got like the
light hearted energy and he isan all you get a lot of the
other stuff too.
Kara Edwards (46:35):
And one last thing I do want to point out I'm
really proud of us that we'vemade it like an hour and not
made a single. We don't talkabout Bruno joke. I thought it I
did too. But I every time yousaid for you now
Laura Orr (46:52):
to my head no, no, no. Okay, always living in my
head. For sure. Heck,
Kara Edwards (47:02):
what are we reviewing next week? Next week?
We're gonna be talking about his
Laura Orr (47:06):
his da that one is?
Oh, a far left. Okay. Can't waitto talk about
Kara Edwards (47:12):
that's gonna be a very different vibe. Very
different. So different. That'sone looking forward to it
though. Yeah. Okay. So Hildanext week, please find us on all
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(47:32):
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Laura Orr (47:41):
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Kara Edwards (47:52):
Awesome. Well, thanks for tuning in. And we'll
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