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April 18, 2025 125 mins
In the latest episode of Shrinking Trump, Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Segal dive headfirst into the psychological and political chaos Donald Trump is unleashing on the world. From his malignant narcissism to troubling signs of cognitive decline, the hosts break down how Trump’s behavior is reshaping America into an increasingly unstable landscape. Be sure to subscribe to our show on your favorite podcast app: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio Dr. Gartner kicks things off by revealing he almost titled this episode “Apocalypse Now”—a nod to the unfolding constitutional crisis, which they describe as riddled with pathological lies, defiance of Supreme Court orders, and dangerous authoritarian policies. They tackle the Trump administration’s blatant disregard for legal norms, exploring how Trump’s persona appeals to autocratic world leaders like the President of El Salvador, and drawing eerie parallels to oppressive regimes of the past. As leading psychologists, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal take a deep dive into Trump’s severe narcissistic personality disorder, which they say is the driving force behind his chaotic governance. They examine how his thrill in flouting the law and disregarding human rights is a symptom of his narcissism—which poses serious risks to the nation’s well-being. But we also take a look at moments of resilience, like Harvard University’s bold stand against federal overreach. The hosts praise this act of defiance as a beacon of hope, urging other institutions to follow suit and push back against Trump’s threats. Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal issue an urgent call to action: stay vigilant, stay engaged, and fight for democracy no matter how you’re able. Every proactive step, no matter how small, helps chart a new course for America. The episode is packed with warnings and unique insights, but it also inspires hope for a democratic resurgence. Be sure to subscribe, share your thoughts in the comments, and stay tuned for next week’s special episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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