The Cultural Bouillabaisse of Red Red Wine by UB40

Red Red Wine charted for British reggae band UB40 twice in the ‘80s, once in 1984 and again in 1988.  UB40 brought a “modern beat” to this cover of reggae artist Tony Tribe’s 1969 version of Neil Diamond’s 1967 hit about a guy drowning his sorrows. 

Check out UB40’s video for Red Red Wine.

Here's a version of them performing live with Astro's toasting break. 

Here’s Tony Tribe’s version from 1969.

Here’s Neil Diamond’s version from 1967.

Here’s Shirley Ellis’ Clapping Song from 1965, from which UB40’s Astro interpolated lyrics for his toasting break. 

And here’s the Light Crust Doughboys singing Little Rubber Dolly in 1939

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Recommendations:

Cobra Kai is on Netflix, but watch Karate Kid first

The Vow is on HBO, about the cult NXIVM

Check out Cleveland's own reggae band First Light at their 30th anniversary concert

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Episode Transcript

Unknown (00:05):
Welcome to Sick burns, where to Gen X friends of
corporate PR pro and a collegeEnglish professor deliver choice
critique on 80 songs. I'mMargaret. And I'm Elizabeth.
Let's get into it today.
Okay, so I should sound realgood.

(00:25):
real smooth. Like brandy.
Someone with a smooth voice?
Yes, that I can't think of rightnow. Barry White.
I can only think of LandoCalrissian. But that's not his
actual name. Billy Dee Williams,Billy Dee Williams, who I think

(00:47):
people spent about two weeksthinking was chance. What? Yeah,
cuz he said something aboutgetting in touch with his
feminine side. And I thinkpeople thought that meant
something more than it did.
Well, but he's not he's nottrying to delete it. That
conversation? Well, yeah,because it's not true. I just
think it's Oh, right. I justtold you that people mistakenly

(01:08):
thought something short timethat was incorrect.
Like, that's news is theopposite of news. It's fake
news. Yeah, very close. Atleast. Yes. And, no, it's close.
It's merely an untruth. Whichisn't actually what Fake News
is. Fake News is news that triesto pretend it's real, but isn't.

(01:32):
And yeah, right. Purposely worksto trick you into thinking it's
real news. Because it has anagenda. It's part of a
conspiracy by the trolls,probably conspiracy by the
people who drink the infantblood.
I think you know, a lot moreabout conspiracies. I do. I've

(01:52):
no idea what you're talkingabout. Oh, my God. That's what
the queue people believe. Oh,wait, are they the ones drinking
the blood? Who drinks the blood?
No, they believe that HillaryClinton, among many others
drinks the blood of babies forlike power or to like stay
young, or I suppose both ofthose could be plausible for

(02:13):
what they believe. I don't knowwhat drinking infant blood gives
you, other than a real saltytaste. Yeah. So I don't know
why. I don't know what theythink. But I know that that's
kind of like the basis of thevast conspiracy that they see.
Got it. They think they see inall these little clues. They

(02:35):
think there's like a little bitof a game aspect to it, because
I think like somebody poststantalizing encoded clues on
four Kuhn or eight Chan, orwhatever they're posting on
these days, right? Everybodylike jumps on it, and like tries
to decode it. And I think thatcode will say something about

(02:55):
like a man wearing a grayjacket, or something. And then
inevitably, they see the manwearing the gray jacket. And
then that will indicate, youknow that there will be new
documents revealed at a certainlocation, maybe there's a piece
of paper at that certainlocation, and it seems like it's
more code and that needs to bedecoded. Do they have like the

(03:18):
Ovaltine rings? To me? Oh, yeah.
I don't know enough about it,except that I just generally
understand that, like, everyclue leads only to more clues.
And a lot of the people thinkthat they are working to get to
the bottom of it on behalf ofthe babies. Oh, right. It's for

(03:39):
the babies. Got it. Okay, well,we've probably given this more
airtime than it needed, butthank you for enlightening me.
To be clear, this has nothing todo with Billy Dee Williams. But
I do want to say we have givenit more airtime than it deserves
but a proponent of it just won aprimary election in Georgia, so
it's on its way to themainstream. Hmm. Great. Fear

(04:02):
will win you an election everytime. Jaron ignorance
Absolutely. How are you doing?
Listen, I'm good and I have somethings to tell you about. Oh,
and I have things to tell youabout. Oh, I can't wait. I was
merely going to tell you that Iwatched last night A any
featured this biography showcalled I want my MTV. Okay. Oh,
which we Chrissy who suggestedthe last Chris, we love you,

(04:26):
Chris. You're really into us andwe're digging it.
He gave us a little heads upthat this was running on a&e and
I watched I've probably watchedhalf of it so far. I'm pleased
to say we got a lot of thedetails right in our last
episode, maybe two episodes agomoney for nothing about the

(04:48):
birth of MTV and it's sointeresting to in fact, that
slogan is based on a maypolecommercial but the fun detail
that I didn't know was someexecutive went over to
Like, flew over to England andapproached Pete Townsend, from
the who, who's also in one ofthe commercials, waited in a
lobby for several hours withoutan appointment to try and pounce

(05:10):
on him when he came out of ameeting or something. And he was
like, Hey, I, oh, excuse me. I'mgetting this. I'm getting an
incorrect. He did do this toPete Townsend. But the first
person they did it to was MickJagger. And the guy had known
him or whatever. And Mick Jaggerwas like so. So you want me to
be in your commercial? And hewas like, well, it's not a
commercial. It's a promo andhe's like, but to sell MTV. It's

(05:33):
a commercial. And he's like, Iguess and Mick Jagger was like,
Oh, are you going to pay me? Andhe didn't his pocket we pulled
out $1 bill and Mick Jaggerthought it was so funny. It was
like All right, I'll do it fast.
Few Pence, a few pence. me somehippie no commercial. It he have
a little Oliver style cap. Hedid. KEITH RICHARDS was their

(05:54):
plan, the Artful Dodger, andthey were like, Oh, I will come.
And then they pickpocketed theguy. It was very entertaining
and fun to listen to them talkabout this stuff. And it gets
real meaty, because they talkedabout how it was like fully
white bands at the beginning.
And Rick James got Roos reallycalling them out on the fact

(06:18):
that they weren't playing anyblack acts. And they were like,
Hey, man, we played. We playedsomebody grant, we played an
Eddie grant video. together now.
We played Yes, electric Avenue.
And we played musical youth. Youknow, these two, like, rugby and
bands. And so we're recovered,but we're a rock station. See?
We play rock. And Rick James waslike, hello. Like, that's,

(06:41):
that's bullshit answer. Sonothing really changed until
Mark Goodman, who's one of theoriginal VJs was interviewing
David Bowie. And David Bowie atthe end was like, hey, I've got
a question for you. How comeyou're not playing any black
bands on your channel? And itwas like a world rock floormat

(07:05):
thing kind of fell apart becauseI man David Bowie. Wait, because
it took a white person to pointout that they weren't. Exactly
Rick James nobody listened tobut David Bowie. They were like
their defense was that RickJames had submitted the super
freak video, which is basicallyhe's a pimp. Right? Like that's

(07:26):
the point of that video. Yeah.
Didn't Rick James maybe havesome
pedophilia problems? Oh, I don'tknow. It doesn't undercut his
point. Oh, no. Sure. They mighthave been like, I don't know
about this. Yeah. Any grant wecan do but Rick James. Yeah.
Rick. James is buried inBuffalo, New York. They show a

(07:49):
clip and this I want my MTV andthey've got it's nightline. Ted
Koppel is interviewing RickJames. And they show a map of
America. And they're like zoomin on Buffalo and there's Rick.
Great like a buffalo, huh? Is hemust be from there. Yeah, he
must be I don't know hisbiography. But I will tell you

(08:11):
that that cemetery used to havean albino deer living in it that
we actually spotted one time andit recently died. Oh, that
sounds very much like a PETRONASor something. It looks like it
looked like a patatas. Yes, andthat Harry's mother's PETRONAS.
I'm fully talking about things Idon't know about but Wasn't it a
stag? Or was it his dad? Harry'shis himself was a stag. I recall

(08:36):
it To be honest, I have about aquarter of the last book to
finish with my son. And I feellike I remember that something
related will be revealed. Okay.
Oh, sorry. Spoilers.
Yeah, only distantly related toRick James.
Harry Potter from Rick James. Itwas just the cemetery. So well.

(09:01):
Okay. Well, that's all veryinteresting and cool to know.
It. Watch it if you get achance. I will. The thing I have
to tell you is I actually shouldhave taken the opportunity to
say it earlier because when wewere talking about q anon and
conspiracies, this is about acult and so I was watching the
HBO show about Nexium Um, Idon't know anything about that.

(09:24):
It's not the second time I'veheard that term today. Really?
Yeah. And I I only know Nexiumbecause it's like an acid
reducer. Hell, yeah. With adifference falling. Is it like a
bunch of people who are superinto that anti acid, and like,
called, we will not have acidreflux?

(09:49):
Exactly. There's super againstacid reflux. No, well, well,
first of all, it's spelleddifferently. I spelled an all
caps like as if it's a Romanthing. An x is
V. Nexium was someone, theperson who talked to you today
were they talking about the cultor the acid reflux drug? The
cult? Why were they talkingabout it? Oh, it was a podcast.

(10:12):
It was our friends at that age.
Well, the podcast, I waslistening to their Peggy Sue Got
Married episode, which I waspsyched about because I
suggested it and they made somereference to Nexium and I was
like, mental note. look that up.
I do not know this call. Yeah,well, okay, so there's an HBO
show. That's only three episodesreleased so far. And there's
also a podcast, Canadian podcastcalled, I think it's called the

(10:36):
uncover that has one seasonthat's about Nexium. And okay,
so they were are basically amulti level marketing business
that promised one huge branch ofit was called the executive
Success Program, ESP. And itpromised a lot of being able to
solve a wide array of problemsin life, poverty, and depression

(10:57):
and effectiveness, you know, andit had a guy at the head of it,
who apparently people wanted tohave sex with and listen to.
It's definitely worth justchecking it out. And I won't say
any more, but Oh, except to saythat one of the reasons why it
was in the news was last year hewas arrested, but it involves

(11:18):
some like minor celebritiesbesides Him. The other person
that got arrested and who waslike big in it is an actor named
Allison Mack. And she's from theshow Smallville, I do know about
this. Yes. It was based inAlbany, I thought, yes. I had no
idea that that's how youpronounced this. Yes. Yeah.
Okay, got it. I read about theside. We're branding women and

(11:42):
supposedly they were sex slaves.
Yes. They branded them with herinitials. And his It was like a
combo. Oh, God. Yes, yes. Andshe's, I believe she's out of
jail, maybe out on bail. Andhe's in and I'm not 100% clear
on what the evidence is for thesex trafficking and so forth.
But there's plenty of evidencefor this guy being a creepy
weirdo. But even though I'm notsure that's like, technically

(12:05):
illegal, unfortunately. Butanyway, it's sort of interesting
and worth checking out acomedian that I like a lot named
Jen Kirkman tweeted last week.
So this old tweet that thatAllison woman had tweeted at her
like, I don't know, six yearsago, or something that was like,
Hey, I really like your style.
And I like your writing. And Ithink we have a lot in common. I
would love to talk to you aboutsome like opportunities, or some

(12:29):
that was recruiting. Abby waslike, Whoa, I really dodged a
bullet on this one. Yeah, shemaybe she did. Although I'm not
totally clear. Once again, youshould check it out. And I'm not
going to do any spoilers for thelisteners. But I am just going
to say it seems very easy tostart a cult, like very easy,
like all you have to do is likeeveryone feels bad about

(12:51):
themselves already. So you justhave to make them feel
specifically bad. And then tellthem that you have the answers
for how to make themselves feelbetter. And cook up some
terminology that you then say islike tapping into some ancient
lifeforce or whatever, anddevelop some rituals, you know,
have some like talismanicobjects of some sort, right? And

(13:15):
levels of achievement within it.
And you're good to go. Man, youcan. And I think calls are
normal, our normal parts ofhuman existence you do I have
decided that yes, that's creepyas hell yeah.
So I have an ad specific thingto tell you also, my family and

(13:39):
I recently watched the originalKarate Kid movie, and it is so
effing good. I think it has noflaws in it at all. And I would
invite the listeners just let usknow if they do know of a flaw.
However, it got recently takenoff of Netflix, and so I fear

(14:01):
that they will not be able tosee it and ascertain this claim.
It is a beautiful and perfectand adorable movie. And I will
also tell you that we watched itbecause of a new series called
Cobra Kai, which picks up andnow times ish, maybe like a few
years ago, between danila Russoand Johnny Lawrence as like 50

(14:25):
year olds, and or 45 year oldsor 48 year olds, because
basically losing that tournamenthas ruined Johnny Lawrence's
life, and he's like obsessedwith it. And danila Russo has
become like a successful cardealership owner whose ads talk
about how he kicks thecompetition and shows pictures
of him doing karate kicks of Godand then they have to like

(14:48):
reckon with each other. And I'veonly seen a few episodes, but
it's so good. And I'm gonna justhave to say a little bit cheesy
but in a very, very charmingway. And maybe self conscious
about it. And so likeExample. In one scene when
Johnny and Danny are confrontingeach other, Danny goes, I'm not
here to rehash the past withyou. And that is obviously what

(15:09):
the entire show is. So they havelittle kind of funny moments
like that. Also some little likerole reversal is because Johnny
is training someone to be akarate person and stuff. A
Karate Kid. Yeah, it's just sofun, and I loved it. Oh, I can't
wait to watch it. Are you surethat your nostalgia for that

(15:30):
movie isn't coloring yourassessment of being flawless? I
have a completely objectiveevaluation.
And the fact that Ralph Maggiowas officially my first
celebrity crush when I was 11has nothing at all to do with my

(15:51):
assessment.
I love that we had teenheartthrob whose name was Ralph,
Ithink, yeah, well, the power of
that kid's chemistry on thescreen can't be understated
because you overcame the nameRalph. I read an interview with
him about the show. I guess Ididn't really I didn't even know

(16:13):
the show was going to happen buthe seems like just such a
pleasant even keeled unassumingdude.
Which I also like, because it'svery much like Daniel we're so
unassuming, etc. Yeah. He's nothot or sexy. That's like a maybe

(16:35):
I don't know if that's a tragedyfor him. But you know, as for
me, who stays hot and sexy whenthey're fed pet? Okay. Yep.
George Clooney? Sure. Rob Lowe,Robert Redford, his outsiders.
compatriots, compatriot, PaulNewman, Denzel Washington. You
know, you're really going for ithere. Ah, I can't argue with you

(16:58):
on any of these.
it yourself. It seems fit. Oh,he's probably more than that.
And yeah, good. You're coming upwith a real good list. Although,
in fairness, like I don't knowwhat interest elbow looked like
when he was 17 or 20. Maybe tobe ruined. His handsomeness?
That's an excellent point.
Because maybe it doesn't justtranslate from to, you know,

(17:20):
from teenager hood. You'reright. That's a great point.
Right. You know, the nice thingabout Daniel Russo as the
character now is that perhaps hefeels more accessible to you in
a way that he didn't in 1985?
That could be Yeah, I could.
Yeah, I could probably I couldprobably date that. Yeah, and I
might choose not to. That'sright.

(17:45):
I'm gonna have to put that onthe list of watch. It will be a
delight. Yeah, it really is. Dothey say sweep the leg at all in
it? They haven't yet. I I cannotfathom that. They won't say that
at some point. Because theyrevisit scene so they replay
scenes from The Karate Kid. Oh,to like show like what's going

(18:08):
through the flashbacks. Yeah,totally use the real original
movie as a flashback. Totally.
It's awesome. Yeah, that's whatmade us want to watch the movie
because I couldn't take seeingthe flashbacks without the
context of the movie. Theyreference the movie like
constantly it's totally for likeinsider fans like Danny will
mention. Oh yeah, I got chaseddown a hill on my bike once by

(18:30):
some kids, you know, or somelike real specific scene from
it. What is it called? Like aden? A karate den, dirty gym, a
dojo, the dojo. Yeah. ThatJohnny Lawrence opens its logo
is strike first strike hard. Nomercy, which is what they all
had to chant in. The originalone. That was the Cobra Kai. I

(18:52):
mean, isn't this the same dojo?
He is. So Johnny's reopening itin this show, after being real
hard, you know, be real down onhis luck and then he decides
that crowd is going to help themand I from IMDb, I can see that
the original sensei is going toshow up at some point. And so as
Danny's Mom always loved her,she's one of my favorite movie

(19:16):
moms so good. And I will saythat the mother son relationship
and karate kid was is part ofits perfection. It's so
adorable. Yeah. Well, Alicia tobe in it. Sadly, no, that is one
of the big drawbacks of it. Sowe can't see if our hair is
still pleasantly bushy, curly,naturally curly, because she

(19:39):
spent so much time on the beachbonfires and whatnot. Mm hmm.
Wearing like white cottonsweaters, so cute. Oversized
sweaters and short shorts.
Adorable, adorable. Who didn'twant to look like that I for
sure did. Big time. I think Iwore bandanas around my head
like little heads.

(20:00):
Even though he's uncomfortableand impractical, it doesn't say
up at all. Like it will haveyour back for shit. It falls
down, either over your eyes oroff the back of your head is so
stupid, but it looks and youcan't tip your head back because
it'll slide it off. And thatcreates that just extra thing
back there. But yeah, whatever.
She looked good for the 30minutes she had to do the scene

(20:23):
with it on her shower. First,was that a third date at the
amusement park or whatever,where they were playing go
karts. And that just looked liketo me like, this is what it's
going to be like to be ateenager. Why don't my dates
have coolest classic cars? Whatyear did Karate Kid come out? Do
you know? 1984? You know whatelse happened in 1984? Wait,

(20:45):
don't tell me.
The Olympics. Sure. That famousApple TV Superbowl ad? Yes, yes.
Oh, you're really pulling acouple good ones out. Many
invocations of the George Orwellnovel 1984 so many in vocations.

(21:08):
The song red red wine came outby Ub 40. That's what we're
going to talk about today. Whyno? Well, I'm excited for you to
tell me about it. Cuz I havenever understood one single
lyric of the song. This song isa bouillabaisse. There's so much
happening in this song. Tell meabout it after this break.

(21:36):
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(21:57):
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Then you can go eat some pizza,or maybe some tacos.
So this song red red wine by theBritish band Ub 14 came out in
1984. A targeted twice in the80s. It came out in 1984. And

(22:41):
then again in 1988. It wasnumber one on the UK Singles
Chart, and earlier and 80 in 83.
And then it hit the UnitedStates in 84. Didn't chart that
high in 1984 in the US, but in1988. Ub 40 performed the song
at Nelson Mandela's 70thbirthday concert. Oh, and that

(23:03):
led to like a resurgence. Andthen junaidi at a radio station
in Phoenix, Arizona startedreplaying the full version of
the song which has a long rapbreak in the middle. And that is
the version that most peopleknow. Because that really,
really song hit number one inthe US in October of 1988.
That's definitely the era I ammore associated in my life that

(23:26):
I associated with being in highschool though. Yeah, I also feel
like this is like the third orfourth song that we've talked
about that had a like,resurgence or or Jonas song.
Yeah, heard it twice. And it wasone of the few songs but it was
in the top 10 I think that's thedifference. Uh huh. This song
has been covered by a lot ofpeople. I wonder if you're aware

(23:49):
that it was written by NeilDiamond. I actually was that's
one thing I did know about it. Idon't know anything about Ub 40
or the and I don't know thelyrics. But yeah, that is cool.
Music trivia. Neil Diamond'sversion is pretty sad. It's like
a sad kind of love song about aguy drowning his sorrows by

(24:10):
drinking trying to forget lostlove. That's what songs about
red red wine, you know, you'rehelping me take my mind off the
gal I love. And last. So thatwas 1967. It hit number 62. When
diamond did it when Neil Diamonddid it. And then in 1969, this
Jamaican born singer named Tonytribe recorded a reggae version

(24:32):
of the song. And that went to 46on the UK Singles Chart, and
that's the version that you'llbe 40 covered. So that's the
version that we all know wasbased on this reggae version
that this guy Tony tribe had putout and that version was
released by this label calledTrojan Records, which is a

(24:53):
British record label thatpublished lots of reggae and ska
and Rocksteady music andAnd they also were the record
company for your faves. Themaytals which later were toots
and the maytals. Yeah, the funnya little funny tidbit is that
you'd be 40 we're only familiarwith Tony tribes version, they
didn't realize that the writerand original singer was Neil

(25:15):
Diamond. And one of them said,even when we saw the writing
credit, it said n diamond andthey thought it was this
Jamaican artist called negressdiamond. Oh, that's really
funny.
They didn't think it was the guywho wrote the monkey's I'm a
believer. Did he did NeilDiamond write that? Yes. Oh,

(25:35):
that's such a great song. Yes.
So in my head, I was likeputting I'm a believer next to
red red wine. just admiring NeilDiamond. Another call back to
that documentary about the bandthat we've both seen and loving.
Can't stop talking about calledonce we're brothers yesterday in
that movie that they were like,and Neil Diamond was also
invited to their farewellconcert and they were like, what

(25:55):
fuck is Neil Diamond here? Theone with like, Neil Young and
yeah, Joni.
Date all these like people withMartin Scorsese hops. Yeah. And
Neil Diamond was invited. Yeah.
And he sang a song. I know. Theywere like, Why the fuck

(26:16):
is Neil Diamond here?
Because record companies, man.
That's why. Yeah. And listen, ifShawn and I can go to Woodstock,
Neil Diamond could go to thelast wall. So it's right. You
know what I heard a littlesomething about Neil, or Neil
Diamond leave on Helm was in thenews, because there was an
obituary of the woman whoclaimed she had killed john

(26:37):
Belushi by administering thefatal dose of cocaine and
heroin. And it turns out thatshe was a groupie and a backup
singer andwas had been the girlfriend of
Gordon Lightfoot. And supposedlyhe wrote some parts of sundown
about her. And the point of theobituary was a little bit how

(26:57):
like groupies always get liketrashed and left in the dust and
all the people who treat themlike shit are adored including
like Keith Richards for exampleshe hung out with and anyway
leave on home was one of herboyfriend's also, I just feel
like this is a gift that keepson giving. Really is because so
much is tied to the band, youreally can't have a conversation

(27:20):
about rock and roll without themcoming up somehow, even though
really, this is a conversationabout Neil Diamond, but let me
tell you, let me take it back toour our guys in Ub 40. They let
me tell you about the band.
They're from Birmingham,England, which is a working
class town and they are from aninner city neighborhood called

(27:43):
ball Sol Heath was probablybowls or something like that in
South Birmingham and the bandformed in 1978 when the
guitarist Allie Campbell andfriends began rehearsing a bunch
of reggae songs that they knewlike popular reggae songs, and
they were joined by some otherfriends, including Ali's
brother, Robin Campbell, andtheir brother Duncan was

(28:05):
involved as well, not in theearly days, there was eight of
them and the first version of Ub40. So a big a big band. They
had come from a musical family.
Their dad had been a Scottishfolk singer. His name is Ian
Campbell. So they knew frommusic, and they got their band
name because a Ub 40 is the nameof the unemployment form in the

(28:27):
UK. It's called unemploymentbenefit form 40 ha, and they
were unemployed. So they thoughtthat that was apropos. They're
super diverse dudes, ethnicmakeup of the band's original
lineup has guys who are English,Welsh, Irish, Jamaican, Scottish
and Yemeni. And that diversity,I think, plays a huge part in

(28:50):
this story. So the area wherethey were born and raised is a
real melting pot. And AllieCampbell, I would say he's the
frontman of the band. And if youwatch the video for red red
wine, he's the main character onthe video. He talks about
growing up with a bunch offriends who were called wind
rush kits. Have you ever heardthat term before? No, I hadn't

(29:11):
either. It it talks about a waveof immigration post World War
Two immigration from AfricanCaribbean countries to England.
I love stories like this.
There's so many big geopoliticalthings happening. They create
this song we're talking abouttoday. A British troops ship

(29:33):
called the wind rush brought uplike several hundred migrants to
the UK in 1948. They had stoppedin Jamaica on its way home from
Australia. So it's big ship fullof British troops coming from
Australia to the UK after worldwar two bringing troops home.
And a local paper in Jamaicaadvertised that there was like

(29:54):
cheap passage to the UK becausethey knew this boat was stopping
they're on their way. They wereflooded with people who
bought tickets. No, this is sortof like recognized as the
beginning of modernmulticultural Britain. So they
had like hundreds of theseimmigrants basically to figure
out how to settle in Britain. Alot of them wound up in

(30:14):
Birmingham. So, Alliefascinating, isn't it? Allie
Campbell's growing up with a lotof this diversity around it
definitely influenced theirmusical tastes, because he grew
up with also a lot of Indiankids. And so he's got a real
love of Indian music and ofJamaican reggae, which is
brought by these Windrush kids.
And, in fact, for a long time,Jamaicans were like half of the

(30:35):
immigrants to the UK. Mm hmm. Somake sense. You'd be 40 starts
as a reggae band. And this iswhere I'm going to tell you
about what reggae is, becauseyou want to hear that from
middle aged white lady.
Yeah, I'm ready. I feel like youmay know a lot of it already.

(30:58):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like Ialready know what reggae is. Do
you know where the word you knowwhere the the term comes from?
Okay. No, it comes from a songby toots and the maytals. Oh,
boy called do the reggae fromthe 60s, I guess. Yeah. 1968.
Yeah. Wow, the first pop song touse the word reggae and

(31:20):
effectively named the genre. Andit introduced it to a global
audience. That is I just want tocall out to a past episode,
because that was around the sametime to that heavy metal became
named. And that's so interestingthat like the late 60s were
like, Okay, we got to categorizethis shit. We got to come up
with names. Yeah, peoplemingling. We can't have it.

(31:43):
Let's write it guys. That's allI can't all be rock. It's not
rock rock is for white guys.
Yeah, isn't it toots Hibbert?
Who is the toots of toots. Andthe maytals said, there's a word
I'm going to quote him here.
There's a word we use in Jamaicacalled stray. It means a raggedy
looking girl or woman or itcould be a guy. This one morning

(32:05):
me and two of my friends wereplaying and I said, Okay, man,
let's do the reggae was justsomething that came out of my
mouth. So we all just startsinging, do the reggae, reggae
and created a beat. So come it'sjust sort of a version of the
word straight gay. And that waslike a slang term. Yes, sir.
That's federating. Oh, I mean,it's a word. I don't know that
it's slang. I guess it's slang.
Yeah. Oh, I misunderstood. Andthe music itself. reggae is a

(32:29):
musical style that's influencedby this traditional music called
mento. As well as American jazzand r&b. The mento is from the
40s in the 50s. It's a style ofJamaican folk music that pulls
together African rhythms andEuropean elements. Because all
the stuff is happening inJamaica, reggae is instantly

(32:52):
recognizable because it's gotthat like counterpoint between
the bass and the drum. That'sthe part I thought you're gonna
explain. And bass and drums arelike the thing and reggae that
they love the whole show. TheCaribbean music in the United
Kingdom then really kind ofexploded in the 60s. And thanks
to the Windrush children. Yes,thanks to those Windrush kids

(33:15):
because they would have been 20at that time. Exactly. It's like
the immigrants their childrenare listening now you know, the
the music that they brought fromhome, yeah, goes into all these
different sharp sub genres andfusions, and tons of reggae
artists and began their careersin the UK including up 40 toots
and the maytals all these guys,so they're growing up as

(33:38):
teenagers. And they're going tothese things that they call
blues parties, which isessentially like a reggae party
and it features a sound system.
I'm like, Okay, yeah, soundsystem, you know, a bunch of
speakers or whatever. Nope,that's not what this means.
American pop culture soundsystem is like a big group of

(33:59):
disc jockeys, engineers and MCsthat play reggae or scour
Rocksteady. It's like a reallybig part of Jamaican culture and
history. Because they would planthese big sound systems like
load this stuff on the back ofthe truck, huge speakers, a
generator turntables, they'd setup these street parties in

(34:21):
Jamaica serve food and chargeadmission. And that was like a
major economic driver inJamaica, which had which was in
the 40s and 50s. Economicallyunstable. So it was like a big
revenue generator and also hugesource of entertainment and
culture. For the people who livein Jamaica. It sounds like a pop
up party, basically very much apop up party like a street fest

(34:44):
or whatever. Yeah, so the kidsin Birmingham are going to these
blues parties. They're called,but their sound systems
essentially. And they're gettingsuper influenced by all of these
things. So that's why they'rerecording all
These reggae songs so theyactually record red red wine to
be part of an album of covers.
It was think their second album,in the version that we all know

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there's this big rap break byone of the UB 40 members whose
name is Astro. His real name isTerrence Wilson ke does trumpet
and vocals for the band and hehad been hanging out with this
sound system guy in Birminghamnamed Duke alloy. And that's how
he kind of like honed his craftof rapping. They cut it out for

(35:29):
the radio release in 84. But an88 Ks version gets put back in
and what he is actually doing,we all call rapping and it's
sort of a form of rapping, butit's actually called toasting.
Oh, I think I remember I'veremember hearing about toasting
and some other context informer.

(35:53):
What do you remember that songin pharma? Did it edited,
edited? illegally? Boom, boomdown. Yeah. He's a Canadian,
white Canadian guy. It snows.
Yeah, but I feel like I've heardof toasting as a. Anyway, please
continue. So yeah, toasting orchatting, or DJing is another

(36:14):
term for it doesn't mean to likesign records. It means to like,
talk or chant, usually inmonotone over a rhythm or a
beat. This oral traditioninfluenced emceeing and us hip
hop music. This is like part ofwhere that comes from. Is this
Afro Caribbean, toasting. Also,there's a thing called Singh

(36:37):
Jang, which is a combination ofsinging and toasting. It's Oh,
there's so many genres to this.
And it comes from Africantraditions like have you ever
heard of gredos? Yes, ri OTS.
Yep, they're West Africanstorytellers. That jet over a
drumbeat. So it all comes fromthis you find it a lot like us
in Jamaican music, like ska andreggae and dancehall and dub or

(37:01):
soco, which is Solon Calypso,mashed up from Trinidad and
Tobago, Tobago, or beyond music,which is Dominican. Wow, this is
a real education. I do feel likeall I'm thinking about is fun
party. So say the fun party isthe point of it, man. That's
Yeah, like that's what this isfor. It's for Yeah. Passion and

(37:23):
community and fun andlike having a drink and just
getting together and dancing andenjoying. Yeah. How about some
fried plantains with some hotsauce and some beer? I'm totally
in except for the podcast. Okay,because that will make me needs
Nexium. How about poll just tobring it all back around? Yeah,

(37:44):
not the cold. The antiheartburn. You could just have
lime juice instead of hot sauce.
Sure. Yes. Lime juice. I'm in.
Yeah, sounds great. So that'sAstro doing the toasting break
and red red wine. Got it. Andhe's speaking in a language
called Jamaican patois, which isa English based Creole,

(38:05):
basically, with some WestAfrican influences. And it
developed in the 17th century,when slaves from Western Central
Africa were exposed to learn tonative ized, the vernacular and
dialectical forms of Englishspoken by the slave holders.
Interesting. I mean, that's oneword for it.

(38:29):
But the British and the Scotsare traveling through that area,
they're dropping off theirEnglish as they're passing
through on their trade, thatthen becomes baked into this
patois language, which thencomes back to England. It's such
a weird cycle. But the way thatit's pronounced is what makes

(38:53):
that toasting break so unique.
And in particular, I think,because the words that would
normally have one syllable inEnglish have to in patois. So,
one of the words in the rapbreak is boat, but it's
pronounced not boat, but mo OttHa. So the, it's not just an
accent, that word is a word andJamaican patois, and it has two

(39:17):
syllables. Or they add words orthey add letters to word. So
it's all it's just been shapedand formed differently because
of the different influences onthis particular group of
islands. So the word on inEnglish, they have a word called
Pon, p o n. And that meansdoesn't mean on it means to do

(39:38):
so we might be hearing the wordPon or on but actually they're
using a different wordaltogether, and it means
something different. And toreplay the Rihanna song, Yes,
exactly. or pass the Duchy uponthe left hand side. Holy moly.
Mm hmm. SoThe lyrics are delightful in the

(40:00):
total. Okay, he says, I willlisten to a clip of it let's
let's listen to a clip of itreal quick.

(40:34):
Red Red Wine remember feaselfine yukimi right rockin all of
the time. Red Red wine. Murphysold on appeal a million dollar
winner Justin.
Anytime fuzzing, only fuzzingyou're kind of like a blessing

(41:02):
fromthe right from the start right
from the start.
So he says red red wine. Yeah, Imean, there's a lot of stuff in

(41:25):
here. I'm just gonna like say itin English, but he's saying it
and patois. You give me a wholeheap observing a whole heap of
zing make me do my own thing,which is so fun. You do. Some
people do get a whole heapbuzzing from read read one. And
he says at the end, read readone and eight. It is style. So
80s style. Uh huh. Red Red winein a modern beet style. Yeah.

(41:49):
And then the next part. He andthis is the thing that made me
want to cover this song becausehe's talking about
something about monkey pukka.
pukka POTUS, we did the lion.
The monkey Good job. Oh yes, I'mhaving something in a little
robot. Yeah, you know what I'msaying? I do. I don't know the
part you're referring to a highend something in my brain went

(42:12):
Hang on. That's a line from adifferent song. I looked it up
and indeed is a little bit alittle sample of a song by a
woman named Shirley Ellis whichis called the clapping song.
It's a novelty song from 1965I'm going to play you a little
bit of it. Okay.

(42:35):
Back on the streets.
They allit is so catchy. The song? Yeah,

(42:56):
it is such a pick me up. It is adelight. I'm going to put it on
the Spotify playlist. So surelyEllis the clapping song. And he
pulls a little line from thatand talks about the monkey and
yeah, the monkey took tobacco onthe streetcar line. The line

(43:16):
broke. The monkey got choked andthey all went to heaven in a
little rowboat. I feel like thatsong The surely Ella song might
have lent the lyrics to likewhat do they call it? school
yard? Yeah, I think games andgames Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,
I only remember the one that wasthe ingredients of the Big Mac

(43:41):
which came from a like a doubledutch commercial. Yeah, girl.
I remember Cinderella dressed inyellow when upstairs do meet up.
Her girdle busted how manypeople were disgusted one. Yeah,
I know. Good stuff. All right,this shit. I know. Well, I can

(44:03):
tell you who wrote the clappingsong. Those ridiculous lyrics
are based on a song calledlittle rubber Dolly by a group
called the light crust.
doughboys in 1939.
also kind of creepy. I have tosay.

(44:23):
My mommy.
Thank you.

(44:53):
They were a Texas swing bandformed in the name of public
relations to sell flowerOh my god,
you've really practice I feellike we opened with this
conversation about q anon andhave really embraced that as a
way of life like just going downthe rabbit holes of like what

(45:13):
influences what and the originsof xy and z? Yeah. Listen If
anybody in this story is in q1on it, yeah, the guy who founded
the light cresco boys, his namewas Pappy. Oh, Daniel. Oh, geez.
The light crust. Oh, boy. Okay,see, because they're selling
flour right in the title oftheir,

(45:35):
their band, like crust flour.
They were happy. Oh, Daniel wasthe president of the Burris mill
and elevator company. He wantedto link radio and advertising to
promote the company's lightcrust flower. And the band were
out of work. And they pitchedthe idea to Pappy and he
traveled around with that band.
And he used it as a springboardfor his political aspirations.

(45:58):
Mm hmm. All the good stuff. Andthat reminds me so much of the
plot of Oh, brother where artthough? Oh, right. Yeah,
totally. Which I feel like,haven't seen for a while, but
it's sort of kind of like that.
And really, what it says to meis, at the heart of it all, at
the very most fundamental basiclevel, everything good comes

(46:19):
from someone trying to sellshit.
That might be true name a goodthing and let's try to think of
somebody trying to sell shitthat it's based on. Well,
somebody's trying to sell shitand also maybe trying to get
laid.
Yep, those are the two bigmotivators. Yeah, potentially.

(46:39):
So that's fair enough that Icouldn't understand that part of
the song but I couldn'tunderstand the non patch while
which I assume was in English,just with an accent. The part
that Allie Campbell sings Yes.
Which would be also got apart.
He's got it. Yeah. And that'sthe part that Neil Diamond
wrote. Right?

(47:02):
Why?
Go to like me forstill need also.

(47:23):
Read read Why?
It's up to you.
All I can do.
memories. Whoa, go.

(47:45):
memories will go.
I'd have sworn that with time.
thoughts of you leave my head. Iwas wrong. Now. I find just one
thing makes me forget. Red Redwine. Stay to me. Don't let me
be alone. It's tearing apart. Myblue heart. Well, so I never
knew that. What a lyricist thatNeil Diamond was. Am I right? I

(48:08):
totally and I love this. Thisimagery of like, red wine. Blue
heart. Yeah, right. And oh mygosh, really lovely. Yes. Don't
let me be alone. You know, it'slike making him feel happy and
forgetting his sadness. Yeah, Mmhmm. So yeah. Neil Young can or

(48:30):
Neil Young?
really write a song. I mean,Neil Young can too. He drowned
his sorrows in heroin. Not inred wine. Is it? Sure? Yeah. He
wanted heroin. I mean, he. Idon't know if he did, but he's
saying the needle and the damagedone. I guess I forgot about

(48:51):
friends. Young heroin. I usuallythink of him as a wholesome guy.
But I don't know. What do Ido here? When do yeah, I guess?
Yeah. After he got clean,started thinking about the moon
and stop thinking about heroin.
Yeah. So yeah, it's a very sadsong. And the video is also sad.

(49:14):
The young man is has a crush ona girl and he goes to the local
pub, and he wants to ask herout. He's sitting at the pub
with his mates. And she walks inwith a different guy. And so he
orders up a big old glass of redwine. I'm a little like, nobody
gets that at a pub. Yeah, I knowright here. Why is he getting

(49:34):
one but whatever. It's part ofthe song and then he gives a
hammered, and he's like, got areally rough home life. It's
like the British version ofstaying alive. Remember how bad
his home life was like the momand dad are fighting there's a
million other brothers andsisters around. The mom is like
ironing and the dad is orderingpeople to change the channel on

(49:55):
TV and so he escapes and he goesto the pub and he just wants to
have a date withgirlie likes, she doesn't want
to either. Just gets droppeddown, fall down drunk. anyone's
up this is Stan alive.
No, don't just read read Ryan.
Okay? video. Okay, but I mean,didn't Danny what was the dude's
name and stayin alive? He hadthat home life. Remember when

(50:18):
he's like don't touch the hair.
wash the hair.
You know, I work on my hair longtime he hit it hits my head.

(50:40):
I see. And I think they're alllike, sort of working class,
violent household type ofsituations. Yeah, the young man
goes straight looking for loveat the local bar or a disco as
the case may be. That sounds so70s to me, you know, so varies.
What's up with that? Oh, is itdifferent, though, than what the

(51:01):
young men now do? When they say?
Well, for the I think there'snot a local bar pub. I mean, I
think there's like a Chili's,you know, so maybe there's local
bars and pubs in college towns,because they don't hang out at
malls anymore. They went to thedisco that they went to the
mall. Yeah. And I tell youbecause I have a teenage son.
Yes. hang out in their roomonline with their friends. They

(51:25):
are a Sherry Turkle. Puts italone together. Yeah, I've heard
of that phenomenon. liketeenagers getting there. They
don't really get their driver'slicenses anymore and stuff like
that. Yep. They they get onDiscord. And they play video
games together. Sometimes theywatch movies together. They
played, you know, chess orwhatever together. Yeah, really

(51:45):
no need to the generation oftoday is perfectly positioned
for a pandemic. Because Yeah,they have no real need to see
anybody in person.
Yeah, well, good timing. And ifthey want to dance, they just do
it in their room and turn ontheir webcam. Yeah, totally.
Getting drunk from red winesounds very unpleasant to me. I

(52:09):
feel that I've done it. And ithas very ill effects on the
sleep and on the mind. The nextday, I would give this young man
the advice of switching tosomething clear, and for sure.
Filled for sure, too. I love redone. It is my fav, but it's so
much sugar. And that's whatgives you that ache. In part,

(52:32):
Holy moly. Yeah, I can't do itanymore. And it makes me I
always wake up like the momentthat it leaves my system and
then I can't fall back asleep. Ithink that are some sugar thing
related to that. I don't knowthat's probably perimenopause.
But it feels like it's red wine.
And it's got all those tanninsand it gives a lot of people
headaches. It is delicious,though. So especially when

(52:54):
paired with something thatreally isn't cheese it
sadly, the band does not speakto each other. They had a big
Rift and a big falling out. Theband split up and they're still
split up. In fact, the brothersdon't speak. So. Allie Campbell

(53:17):
and then his brothers Robin andDuncan, do not speak to each
other. Allie Campbell Astro andthis guy Mickey virtue still
perform as you'd be 40 Huh, butthey don't hang out with the
other guys who also do their ownperformances. Allie Campbell
said no, just picture likeyou've got a good relationship
with your sibling. I've got agood relationship with my

(53:38):
sibling. Imagine saying thisabout your sibling.
Because his brother Duncanreplaced him it to sing the
songs in the version of the bandthat duncanson he said, quote, I
sat back for five years andwatch my brother Duncan
murdering my songs. Good lord.
Wow, boys, your mother'sprobably so sad. I know. And

(54:00):
they've said they'll get backtogether when Hell Freezes Over.
Did away away. She's had asimilar brotherly spat, didn't
they? They did. Yes. Yeah. in myestimation, it really all comes
down to sibling rivalry. And ifwe've learned anything from the
Cuomo brothers, it's thatmama love is most right. I

(54:21):
didn't know about did she lovedAndrew more than Chris. Always
fighting about who they'realways fighting about it on
national television. Andrew willbe on Chris's show and say Leah
but my mom loves me more. Andthen they kind of joke about it.
And then you're like, feel likemaybe they're not joking
anymore.

(54:41):
Like we maybe crossed a line andthey're actually beginning to
get angry at each other aboutactually who she loves more.
Yikes. Boy.
Doug Llewelyn jobs to theplaintiffs and the defendants
about judge Walker's decisionright after these messages.
What do you think about thevert? What's your verdict? I

(55:03):
have a little theory that boozeis, you know, not a good thing.
I mean, I don't get me wrong, Ienjoy a good drink. And I don't
feel moralistic about it in anyway. But it's a depressive drug,
you know, and it's a legal thingthat does worse versions of
things that a lot of illegalthings do. You know, it's

(55:25):
really, really, really, reallybad for you, I think,
emotionally and physically. Andso, ever since that theory
occurred to me, I have beenalert to all the ways that it's
so like normalized, you know,yeah. And this of course, song
would be part of that, whoever Ialso just accept that that's
part of life. So I'm gonna saythat Neil Diamond's lyrics hold

(55:50):
up and the patois intermissionalso like, totally holed up
except I do have long termconcerns about the normalization
of drink. Yeah, and it justoccurred to me too that our last
episode funky cold Medina alsoabout booze so we're Oh, yes.
Yeah, with our on a theme hereit to me, there's just so much

(56:14):
story and history wrapped up inone song. That so interesting.
Yeah. feels kind of likerequired listening and hoping
and like a differentinterpretation of a song can
almost completely change it. Infact, Neil Diamond says he
prefers you be 14th version.
That's the version he performsin concert now. Oh, wow. That's

(56:36):
his favorite. So he likes itbetter than his. So I if To me,
it feels a little like requiredlistening. There's such a, like
a bit of sadness and melancholyand that history, and all the
things we just talked about, andin the movement of people around
the world, and the way that theyinfluence each other's cultures
for good or for bad, and thatmaybe sort of fits with the

(56:59):
theme of heartbreak in the song,but I will I would say that I
agree with you. They're thelyrics to the song while they
may romanticize red wine. Ithink it's clear when you listen
to it. This young man is doingnothing to help his mental state
by dying. That's clear rightlike you buddy stop, put the

(57:19):
bottle down and go for a jog orsomething that is the best way
your kids start to feel better.
You're making worse by drowning.
I yeah, I think Lord knows thethe history of like songs about
vices and especially likeyourself as your own worst enemy

(57:39):
Are you know, oh shit, so it isa long history. Yes, rich ditch
to to shovel for sure. Yes.
I want to ask you about mixtapetime. What would you put on this
mixtape? What is that? I wasgonna say cracklin Rosie. But

(58:02):
what is the Neil Diamond songthat is about the traveling
salvation show. brother lovestraveling salvation show. Oh my
god. I don't know that's what isthat song? I don't know that
song. It's so fun. So and it's aNeil Diamond song and everyone
knows cracklin Rosie andeveryone knows we've Caroline

(58:22):
but I think that brother lovestraveling salvation show is a
good one. And that would go wellwith the other one that I would
include or one of the other oneswhich is that Nate Ratliff or
Ratliff sob song because that'salso about drinking and how you
can't like avoid it. Don't knowthat one either. I was out a few
years ago, I can't think of whatthe rest of the band was called.

(58:44):
Oh, the night sweats and thentheir big hit from this album
was called sob and it's abouthow he's got delirium tremens.
Basically, it needs a drink, butit's like a great song. It's a
really great song God worthlooking at the YouTube video of
them singing it on maybe latenight or some show like that.
Okay, I'll check that out.
Cocaine by Eric Clapton. Ooh,yep, just along the vise theme.

(59:05):
That's what I was thinking. Imean, maybe I'd put other reggae
songs on it. I like reggaesongs. I like reggae.
You know, and so some reggaewould be obvious, but I would
include it. It would be all viseones. And then I also thought
case of you by Joni Mitchell cuzit's a vise. Why not? You know?

(59:26):
It's like a play on advice aboutwine. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's
a good one. I went a totallydifferent way probably because I
did so much. I really got lostin the research for this stuff.
I was thinking that soul to soulwould be a good one to add here.
I feel like they're definitelygenetically related to you

(59:47):
before the in terms of reggae.
Ruth, I forgot about that. Sothat's back to life. And
it's a big club song. And thenthere was a song that I loved
from 1989. I don't know if itwas a
big hit in the US but it was abig hit in the UK by a band
called beats international thatwas called dub be good to me.

(01:00:08):
And dub is like a sub genre ofreggae, which is basically a
bunch of remixes. That bandspawned Fatboy Slim. He was in
that he did a lot of remixes. Hewas a big deal in the 90s. I
would definitely Yeah, I woulddefinitely put on past the Duchy
by musical youth because they'realso British Jamaican, just for

(01:00:28):
their adorable use of the wordpawn. Because Yeah, gosh, the
kid that sings that song, Ishould watch the video again. He
strikes me as being like eight.
I don't know what the deal iswith that song or like that
group. How did they get what aduchy is? Well, that I know is
that it's but that song is a isa remake of a song, which is
about marijuana, but theychanged it to duchy to make it

(01:00:49):
about food. Because it's like aDutch oven. Oh, okay. You can't
pass a dash off and it's toohot. I mean, you've got some
like mitts on or something youcan. I think that's probably an
example of what is it called?
We've talked about it before,but bold linearization or just
where you strip out all theoffensive meanings to make it

(01:01:12):
more palatable. So probably,really about marijuana. But they
say,Robin, because an eight year old
is singing it. Yeah, they had totell their mom that may be too
sure. It's about a Dutch oven.
You know, Dutch oven, you knowthat you just pass around a
circle. You know, when everyonetakes a bait had us do? Yeah,

(01:01:35):
buddies around the campfirebouillabaisse
if you're gonna do 80s music onthis playlist, that is like
Caribbean based. I'm justwondering if you would include
Billy ocean Caribbean queen. Oh,that's a great one. Yes. Love
Billy ocean, especially over Getout of my dreams and into my

(01:01:56):
car. Oh, yeah. No, let's passthat one right up and go to
Caribbean queen. Such a goodone. Yeah, I was also thinking
Culture Club, because they pullin a lot of like, do you really
want to hurt me has a lot ofreggae and Caribbean influence,
or at least that's how they'represented, or were presented in
their early early days. Goodidea. I wonder if they're from

(01:02:19):
Birmingham, also, I mean,they're from around London
somewhere. Okay, but younevertheless can't help but
think of British Caribbeanemigration influencing Boy
George, absolutely. I have tobelieve that that influenced
them. We're just this you know,street culture of going to these
parties and things and, andhearing DJs spending, all these

(01:02:42):
different kinds of, you know,ska and reggae and dub and all
of these things. wouldn't putthis on here. But it did make me
think of that song. dreadlockholiday by 10 cc, which I think
is kind of offensive. I don'tknow as he performs it. You do
know, I know it.

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I read that they they wrote thatsong after they went to
Barbados, they went for aholiday. And then they wrote
dreadlock holiday, which thelyrics are I don't like reggae.
I love it. Uh huh. Which isfrequently played by steel God
and snow. Yeah, getting off ofcruise ships. Right. Speaking of
reggae, oh my god. We didn'ttalk about first of light the

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Cleveland band. No, youremember. Did you go to those
shows? I did. Yes. I went to onethat downtown amphitheatre, the
open air is a big deal. Theywere a real big deal. And that
guy was he was very handsome. Imean, maybe he's the reason why
people in Cleveland, Ohio, likedreggae music. But that first

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light was like a little bit of acult. In a way. Yeah, they had a
big following. Yes. I wonderwhere they are now. Well, here's
an article from 2017 that saysthey're going to reunite their
anniversary. Oh my god. I wish amagazine. I mean, it was three
years ago. Oh, right. Oh,because

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they've got a Facebook page incase you want to check it out.
I'm totally gonna. So that's thethat's the story of red red
wine. I guess yeah. Won't behaving any tonight.
I'm gonna have clean clearwater.
Yeah, for me, and if I was gonnadrink it would be a bloody mary

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cuz we're having breakfast fordinner. Oh, before de I'll tell
you recently, my mind has beenopened and expanded to the idea
of savory oatmeal. What do youput on your oatmeal to make it
savory? Well, I put some oliveoil and salt and pepper and mix
it a little bit.
Parmesan cheese and then I put acouple fried eggs on top and

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some salt and some hot sauce ontop of them. That sounds great.
It's basically the same thing asPharaoh. It's just a studio to
like rain or grits or anything.
Yeah. Why did we decide thatonly brown sugar can go on them?
It's because we're just thinkingtoo narrowly as Nexium would
tell us do what I say and saywhat I do. Yeah, brand my
initials on your ass. Yeah, Ishouldn't make fun. Nothing.

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That's someone's trauma I'mjoking about Yeah. And it's not
the ass. It's the groin. Oh,really? Oh, God. This is why I
don't this is why I go downreggae rabbit holes and not not
the cue group and the Nexiumgroup. I don't want to know

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about these things. I'm gonnastick to reading about sound
systems and watching MTVdocumentaries. Sounds fun. Fair
enough. Because my days are darkenough without introducing the
rest of this.
Yeah, well, this was fun. It wasgood to talk to you. Good to

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talk to you. And I'm gonna goeat up that oatmeal. Gay. Bye,
bye.
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