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June 24, 2025 40 mins

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to legally recognize same-sex marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges hits its 10-year anniversary this year, and a radically different court is now tasked with parsing through a fresh slate of thorny questions affecting the LGBTQ community. 

The right to marry was a monumental acknowledgement, a significant step toward mainstream societal acceptance of the LGBTQ community, but the journey there was arduous, and how firm is the foundation upon which that right now stands? 

While a modern, more conservative court ponders such issues as whether parents can shield their kids from books with LGBTQ characters, we take a deep dive into pre-Obergefell America, a place where the evening news declared homosexuality as “embarrassing,” and states used sodomy laws to target same-sex couples. Join us for the eighth and final episode of our fifth season as we explore the road to Obergefell and where that road appears to be headed in the not-too distant future. 

Special guests: 

· Marc Stein

· Lee Carpenter

· Jenny Pizer

· John Bursch

This episode was produced by Kirk McDaniel. Intro music by The Dead Pens.

Editorial staff is Ryan Abbott, Sean Duffy and Jamie Ross.

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