May 22, 2025 • 44 mins
In this episode of the Silver Disobedience Perception Dynamics podcast, host Dian Griesel is joined by fitness model and trainer Ryan Harden and fitness influencer Angelique Miles. The podcast, recorded at Manhattan Center, explores the challenges and triumphs of maintaining fitness through different stages of life. Angelique shares her story of recovering from brain surgery 11 months ago and emphasizes the importance of resilience and adapting workout routines as the body ages. Ryan discusses his evolution from a chubby kid to a fitness expert, highlighting the mental health benefits of exercise. Both guests provide insights into their fitness journeys, dietary habits, and the importance of hydration. They stress the value of grace, resilience, and appreciating one's body at any stage of life. The conversation ends with inspiring messages for listeners to start and stick with their fitness journeys, no matter their age.
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(00:00):
Hello everyone. I'm Diane Grissell.
Some people think of me as silver disobedience.
This is the Silver Disobedience Perception Dynamics podcast, and
I'm really excited. We're recording this in
Manhattan Center right now. We're in TV 2.
And so this is a big developmentfor this podcast and an exciting
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one. But what has me even more
excited today? You know, I'm 64 and I can say
that every day after 40, when I had my first child and then a
second at 43, fitness has becomea real personal challenge.
Everything I ate seems to lingera little longer.
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The amount of time at the gym seems to take a little more
time. And the recovery is a whole
other story. You know, sometimes I think I
can just skip three days, go back and, you know, feel great.
And the next day, I pay for thatpoor decision.
So I have two people here today that I actually met on
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Instagram. So when they say you can't meet
people on Instagram, that's alsonot true.
You can. And the two people I met are
Ryan Harden, who is a model withWillem, a fitness model with
Willemina. He's a fitness trainer and he's
a fitness expert. So he is my guest directly next
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to me. I also have Angelique Miles, who
I have done some campaigns with.She is a fitness influencer in
the 50 plus crowd and so I'm really excited to learn more
about what she has to say about being 50 plus.
And even more interesting. We're going to start with the
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fact because you're going to getto see what she looks like in
moments if you haven't seen her already, depending on how this
is getting edited. But if you haven't seen her yet,
let me just say 11 months ago, 11 months ago.
Did I say 11 months ago? Yes, she had a brain tumor.
So this is a woman that was in shape, had a brain tumor, had
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surgery, and she's back here looking just as fine.
So Angelique, how do you look this good?
What's the secret? 11 months ago, brain surgery and
here you are today. You know, it's, it's the actual
anniversary, 11 month anniversary today.
I had it on April 25th and I don't know Diane, I just kept
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going. You know what I mean?
My doctor, my surgeon, immediateupon immediate release from the
hospital, he's like walk, walk 30 minutes twice a day as much
as you can. So I started day one from the
hospital walking in trouble. I had to hold on because I had
no balance and someone had to walk with me.
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But I started day one and two weeks later, so you can lift
light weights. So I lifted light weights and
then at six weeks they were like, go all out as much as
whatever you want to do. So that's what I've been doing.
Oh my gosh, we're coming back tothat.
Ryan, Can you imagine having a client like this?
What would you say to this client?
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Probably something similar. You know, I'm a big advocate of
always trying to move or do whatyou can do with what you can.
So but I think that's amazing that you were able to, you know,
fight through that that adversity and keep moving.
That's that's amazing. I'm still fighting because I
still don't have the balance as we discussed the hearing, so my
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equilibriums off. So I'm still fighting through
that. And I was very weak at that six
week point. Like, you know, my because I
hadn't worked out a lot prior tothat because I had trigeminal
neuralgia, which is another issue with facial nerves.
So I hadn't really been working out too much prior to my
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surgery. So I was really, I felt like I
was severely out of shape. You know, I wasn't out of shape
for some, I guess, but I, you know, it took me like a couple
of months to really get back in the swing of things.
And as she was saying, you can'ttell that you've missed a beat.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
That's a blessing. Exactly.
I and I encourage you all to follow Angelique Miles and Ryan
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Harden and all their info will be below in this podcast because
I've seen them both in bikinis or.
You have bikinis, right? Well, whatever you call whatever
you call those people. Sure, sure.
Guys. Where and I'm telling you they
are inspiring. So I want to know what bought
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you both. I'm turning it over to you.
I want to know what bought you both to your fitness journey.
So let's start with you on that,Ryan.
Well, growing up, I was a prettychubby kid.
So kind of round through high school when I started to be
attracted to women, they were kind of like, oh, he's cute, but
he's chubby and that kind of it.It bothered me a lot in the back
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of my head. And so I got into sports,
started to play football, did a little bit of track and puberty
started to hit and I never likedworking out in high school when
I played football, I would skip.I didn't like it, the coaches
yelling at me and I just, I justdidn't like it.
And, but after I graduated, I got into MMA and so I started to
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wait. Yeah, I started to weight train
for MMA and I actually fell in love with weight training just
listening to music. I started to work at a gym
underneath a bodybuilder and he kind of took me in, taught me a
lot of stuff. I worked at AGNC where I learned
a bit about nutrition, and then after that I just kind of just
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went to the next level. I went to the school at
University of Kentucky for dietetics, and it just kind of
went to the next level after that.
Yeah. Wow.
How about you Angelique? What was your I know, I know,
you had a background in not fitness.
Yes, well, it's, it's, it's there's two prongs to this.
I danced when I was much younger, like from like 6 to 16
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and I danced, but at 13 I was diagnosed with psoriasis, which
is an autoimmune condition that affects the skin.
So from that point, I like to call my journey a Wellness
journey, not just a fitness journey, because I was trying to
heal myself from that point as as much as I could.
I was doing all the research I could and I, I did everything,
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every diet you could imagine. And, but fitness was a big part
of it because I was very slim with this guy was always slim.
And I wanted to shape my body. So in my 20s, I was doing things
like Lottie Burke. Do you remember the Lottie Burke
method? I did the Lottie Burke method.
I was, I was about like, I really loved bar classes back
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then, but outside a trainer at certain points too.
So I was always working on myself, trying to shape my body
then, you know, in the music industry around this time.
And after my music industry career ended, I wanted to do
something that I could control because it was a very difficult
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time for me. And, you know, I wasn't getting
the callbacks that I used to. I was, you know, jobless, trying
to get back in. And my body was the one thing I
could control. And my body started changing
around this time because I was perimenopausal and being thin
all my life. After get you gain 7 lbs and six
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months, you're like, what's happening?
And my mom's like, well, that's how it starts.
My mom was like, that's how it starts.
I was like, I'm not going out like that.
So I was like, I have to get more aggressive with my workout.
So CrossFit was what I did. I got into CrossFit and the
workouts was so insane to me. I was like, they're like, run 2
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miles, come back and do 50 kettlebell swings, then do it
again. That was like, OK, somebody
knows, needs to know. I did this.
So that's when I started postingmy workouts because I'm like,
this is insane. Someone needs to know.
So I got into CrossFit and from that point my post was started
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resonating with people and I waslike, OK, I'm really on to
something. But it was really about me.
It wasn't really about impressing anyone else.
I was like, I just want to be really fit and look the way I
want to look into going into my 40s and 50s.
You know, it's so funny. You talk about MMA and CrossFit
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and I go back, I remember I worked at a health club in the
19 late 1970s and they were the first health club to have
Nautilus equipment, which was the precursor to like the
Lifetime or whatever that equipment was.
And all the other the purple stuff you see now.
And it's so funny because you know, when I watched because
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that was really, I mean, obviously it was Jack Lane,
which was way before even my time.
So, but I watched Jack Lane and I paid so close attention to him
because he said such smart things like, you know, you
didn't get out of shape in a day.
You're not going to get in shapein a day, you know, so smart
things to remember. But what you know you've you
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found your kind of Marks and fitness, but where do you find
your day going when it shapes around fitness?
Like do do you work out in the morning?
You're working with clients? Like how do you fit it all in?
How do you tell people to fit itin if they want to be fit?
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Well, for me, if it doesn't get done in the morning, it doesn't
get done. So if I, it's the first thing I
do when I wake up, well, that's the first thing I, I do.
Like I pray, I meditate, I have a have a ritual that I do and
then my workout clothes are all hung up.
So I get to see, I have to walk past my workout clothes in the
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morning, so I put them on immediately.
So that's the first thing I do. And I have a trainer, so I have
someone to meet at a certain time every day.
So that's important to me. And before I had a trainer, I
took classes that I also had to pay for and the, you know, show
up on time for. So that helps me.
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But it has to be done in the morning.
I am not an afternoon workout person.
I am not an evening workout person.
It has to be done in the morningfor me.
Yeah. How about you, Ryan?
Ideally, ideally I would also bea morning workout person, but
sometimes with my schedule, I have a lot of one-on-one clients
that I train. So because of that and other
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things that I'm interested in like the stock market hours and
different things like that. And so I've been my schedule to
where I can fit it in and slots where I don't have clients or
I'm not doing other things. But I used to always be a big
morning workout person and I've tried to step back from that to
focus a bit more on business. But I always make time for it.
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Even if it's an hour or I have a45 minute gap, I may do
something more intense, something more like CrossFit
HIT. If I have a bit more time, then
I may take my time. And so I I make it happen
regardless of my schedule, I'll fit it in.
No, Ryan, you're about 32 I 3232.
Angelique, you're in your early 50s.
Late 59 this year. Oh my gosh, I've known you a
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while. Now for a while.
How time flies. Yeah, it does. 59.
Wow. 9 in August. Yeah, I feel like I remember you
posting for your 50th birthday. Yeah, I think that's around the
time we met, yeah. Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's
shocking to. Me, it flew by.
OK. So each decade, obviously Ryan's
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coming from a younger perspective, but your 20s or
your teens, you know, they guys they talk about, you know, you
don't hit your man body till you're like in your early 20s,
let's say, and or maybe mid 20s,late 20s, I don't know, I never
had to get a man body. But you don't, you know, you
think different milestones, women you have maybe
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childbearing years or you have menopause or just plain hormonal
changes that happened over the years.
What would you say fitness wise to someone who's in there?
Teens, 20s, thirties, 40s, fifties, 60s on what to think
about and how it would vary? I'd love both your opinions on
this in any way you want to throw them out.
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Well, in my opinion, you know, each stage of life, your values
should change. So when I was a teen, when I
thought about working out, I mostly thought of aesthetics.
I want to look like this superhero or I want to be
attractive. I want my arms to look a certain
way. You know, now that I'm 32, my
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values, when people ask me, Ryan, are you trying to get
bigger? A lot of my workouts are
designed for my mental health. I put my music in and I'm just
I'm trying to work out. I'm trying to relieve some
stress. I still have challenging
workouts, but I'm not the goal isn't so much I want my arms
bigger. It's more so for my mental
health these days. And then when I'm working with
people who, you know, they may be 40 years old and I'm like,
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well, what are you trying to do?What why are you here?
You know, some people, they wantto get their blood pressure
down. Some people want an outlet.
Some people want to get their waist smaller.
So your values and different ages or phases of your life
usually change. I think that they should change.
It's a good sign of growth, you know, And so that's something to
keep in mind. And also, you know, maybe you
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wake up and you're getting aches.
Maybe you haven't weight trained.
You need to get stronger, more resilient.
So I try to remind people that when they're teens, but usually
they're so focused on the aesthetics.
So it's, it's a hard, yeah, it's, it's a hard message to get
through. But you know, as they get older,
they usually start to realize those things.
And so regardless, you're exercising, you're working out.
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But it's normal to see people's values change in different ages
phases of their life. What do you think?
That's really good answer. That is really good answer in
much respect. When I started working out in my
late 30s early 40's, the CrossFit thing was definitely a
mental a stress release thing for me because I was under so
much stress at that time. Well, let me just say that for
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me, it's still about aesthetics.Yeah, it's it's always about
aesthetics. You know what I mean?
I want my waist to be smaller. I want my butt to be lifted
because that's the first thing to go.
Yeah, I was just joking with someone the other day.
I said I understand that Sophia Loren line.
It's either you have to choose at some point your butt or your
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face. Because I'm like, well, I'm
about 5 lbs heavier butt. Wow is my skin looking much
better. But my butt sure is.
Glutes are the first thing to go.
I will tell you that thing will start dragging on you before you
realize it. So my advice is in your 30s and
40s, definitely work on your glutes, make sure those.
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But I, like I said, in my 40s, Istarted going through
perimenopause, I guess. So your body starts changing.
And as as soon as I got the hangof, you know, certain kind of
workout, my body would change again, you know, So I would say
50s have been the most challenging time for me to work
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out because it's always trying. I'm always trying to figure out
what's going to work now or what's you know, And I find that
in my 50s now that I'm post menopausal, I don't do as much
cardio because I was a cardiac. I was, you know, I would do boot
camp classes and yeah, and that was never, I did run a half
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marathon, but I've never really been a runner.
But I would try to run a little bit.
But now it's about lifting really heavy, really heavy,
maybe 2 days of HIT per week andand walking.
But I don't do the crazy cardio classes that I used to do.
Can you define what hit is for people who don't know?
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HIT is high intensity interval training.
So you're like you're, you're getting your heart rate up from
maybe 30 seconds to a minute andthen you're resting also with
HIT. And that's with weights.
No, that that could be the assault bike, that could be
sprints, that could be you just get, yeah, you're just getting
your heart rate. Seconds as high as you can get
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your heart rate up. And then complete rest.
Well, they say for post menopausal women, because some
people do hit 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off or a minute off.
Post menopausal women, we're supposed to get our heart rate
heart rate up and then complete rest until we're ready to go all
out again. It's interesting because, you
know, we lose muscle. So I go 30 seconds and I can
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start again tomorrow until. You're ready to go again, but.
We. Want to see results?
But you know, because we're losing so much muscle mass as we
get older, we're trying to just maintain the muscle mass.
And if you do too much cardio, you start burning.
Yeah, the muscle mass loss is I think, the biggest shock.
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Yeah, with aging, I mean, I competed in local bodybuilding
contests in like the early 1980s.
And I mean, I had I had thighs that look like tree trunks.
Now I look at my thighs and I'm like, what the heck happened to
my thighs? I mean, they're, they're like
these chicken. I live lights and I my legs are
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still thinner. Really fascinating to see that
muscle loss that you don't expect to see, but it happens.
It's real, yeah. So that's what's yeah, it's,
it's always changing so, but nowit's like it's about heavy
lifting protein intake. You know, I try to, I try to
count my macros, but it's reallyabout caloric intake.
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They say so, but I, you know, I still live a little I since
before the surgery I see some. Good trips you've taken?
I take great trips. I think you made a promise to
yourself. What was it?
Once a quarter you were going togo on a trip with some friends?
Or have you twice a year, Twice a year that are non negotiable.
That's New Year's Eve and preferably Jamaica.
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Yeah, or anywhere there's a beach, tropical beach.
And then for my birthday, I'm never here.
There you go, I remember. But then I travel other times
during the year too. But those two year took those
two points of the year are non negotiable for me.
Gotta love a tropical beach, yeah?
I need that. I need to spend the last day of
the year like that and the firstday of the year like that.
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So that's been my tradition for some years now.
That's a good one. You know, I'm curious.
There's, you know, I, as I said,I met you both by Instagram
possibly the first time. Then we waved on 42nd St. and I
saw you at a shoot or some eventfor some brand.
There's so many fads and things that happen on social media.
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You know, we should try this kind of training or we should
eat this way, or you should be high protein or high fat or low
fat or high carb or whatever. I mean, it goes on and on and
on. What would you say are your
personal diets and do you think they transcend to people you
might coach or advise? What would your recommendations
be, since you're both fine specimens of the human body?
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Well, first and foremost, I would like to say when looking
at social media, I think we haveto keep in mind that a lot of
times, you know, and even myselfcan be guilty of this.
We may post something for shock value or to get views or to get
in the algorithm. And a lot of times I don't know
if the average person has that in mind when they're viewing
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content, so. You get that a lot with
sometimes with diets where you may hear a guy say you should
never eat eggs and then you hearsomeone say you should eat eggs
every morning, and then someone saying you shouldn't eat plants
and then someone saying you should be a vegetarian.
And so the way that I like to eat primarily is just healthy
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Whole Foods with limited ingredients.
Probably single ingredient wouldbe best and then go from there.
If I can do that 80% of the time, you know, if it's on
something on a weekend where my friends are in town and we want
to go out to eat, I enjoy myself.
I don't feel guilty to where I'min this spiral.
The next day I'm not eating and then I have one meal because
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yesterday I had a slice of pizza, you know.
So if you can primarily eat healthy, Whole Foods, single
ingredient, I think that you'll be in a very good position.
And then after that, you can kind of go from there.
Give yourself some wiggle room. Nice common sense answer, Yeah,
How about you Anjali? Well, he's a professional, so I
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have to agree with Ryan. But no, for me, of course, Whole
Foods, as often as possible. I even use a meal delivery
service because that makes it easier for me to get the food I
know that I need and the amount of protein and things like that
that I need. Protein is important for me.
Over 50 because of the muscle mass issues so I try to get my
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body weight in protein grams perday.
And question with you because a lot of women that I work with,
they get scared when they hear that like protein.
So when you talk to other women or women talk to you and they
aspire to you, when you tell them I prioritize protein, what
is their usual reaction to the. They're like, how do you get
that in a day? And I will admit that some days
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it's difficult if I'm not, if I didn't have the meal plan that I
had, you have to plan. Otherwise it doesn't usually
happen for me. But I do supplement it with
protein shakes. You'd be surprised how much
protein is in a palm size amountof chicken or fish or I just
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have to have protein. I try to have protein every
meal, whether it's a snack or breakfast, lunch, dinner.
And I've supplemented with shakes and there's, you know,
you can have a shake to go. I make shakes at home, but I'm
counting the protein as I as I go along.
So you're counting grams of protein as your visual for where
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you want to be in a day. Yes, like today I've probably
had like 80 grams so far. So I have another 80 to go
because I'm about, I'm about having.
Sex. Wow, that's very, yeah, that's
that's a big number to hit in protein.
It really is because I had, I had eggs and Turkey sausage for
breakfast and I had a protein shake.
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So that's about that. And then I had like a boiled
egg, like 2 boiled eggs before Icame here.
So that's another. And I'll have, you know, have
like 2 more meals and a snack today.
It'll it'll work out. It'll all it'll all come
together you. Know what's interesting with
that? I was talking with a friend of
mine who recently had a baby. Babies.
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Maybe year, right? About a year old and she ended
up having a stroke a couple of months ago and she has gone on a
diet of basically steak and eggs.
And I have never seen someone leaner and more fit looking.
And her only exercise is she's walking all over New York with a
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stroller. I'm like, that's the best
argument for steak and eggs thatI have ever seen.
That's like a that's all protein, yeah.
And I'm like, I don't think I can imagine doing it.
I can think of some salads I would miss.
But I can't argue with the, you know, when you have Jordan
Peterson, who says he follows that diet and you know, it's,
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it's an interesting. It was the Atkins diet in our
day, yes. Atkins, Stillman, depending on,
you know, whose mother was doingwhat tuna and cottage cheese.
I said that to my husband the other day.
I'm like, you know, I'm thinkingI might try what my mother did,
some tuna and cottage cheese. Like that sounds disgusting.
And I said, well, that's actually what I always thought
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when she ate it. But we ate it for dinner with
big iceberg lettuce leaves, and it was delicious.
Shocking. But what do you think about
that? Do you eat a gram of protein a
day, I mean, or a gram of protein for your body?
Weight, yeah. So I've probably taken around
215 to 230 grams a day. Wow.
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Very similar. Very similar.
You know, looking at the muscular sure on on you both, I
would be very hard pressed to argue that it certainly doesn't
look like it's not working for you.
I'm curious, Blood work? Do you ever go get blood work
done? That's always what I do.
You can take any blood you want from me.
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I have my blood work done probably 5 months ago and the
doctor said it's pristine. Yeah.
And I eat eggs every morning, soyeah.
I have blood work done often because of my psoriasis so I'm
on biologic for that and then also I'm on.
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This is off topic, but I'm on HRT so I have to have my blood
taken every three to six months.You know, I'm all I'm always
interested in fads trends. Obviously you can't go online
and not see everyone's telling you eat more of this, eat more
of that which you were prefacingearlier when you were talking
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about your own diet. What do you think the most
hurtful trends that people are adopting because someone's
telling them this is the way to get thin?
Because that's probably the number one everything everyone's
looking for. They're not necessarily saying
this is the number one way to get healthy.
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I don't think anything done to the extreme is error, so I can't
really. I don't really pay attention to
the fads much but I would imagine like if you do, if
you're doing something extreme it's probably not good or not
long lasting. I think that's good advice to
keep in mind. Yeah, I would probably 2nd that.
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It's hard to pinpoint one thing that I see that I'm like this is
the number one. But usually anything that's
really radical, extreme, you know, it's probably not
something you can sustain and it's probably not healthy and
you'll probably have some sort of rebound, is what I notice a
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lot. Is there any food group that you
think is absolutely off limits? No.
No, I like that answer. You know, I'm not, I, I don't
restrict. I don't deprive myself.
Like if I really want something,I'll have it.
I just want, like if I want potato chips, I won't eat the
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whole bag. I have a few potato chips if I'm
craving it, you know, I mean, I just, I don't believe in
depriving yourself of everythingin that way, you know, in
everything in moderation of it. But I was, yeah.
Nothing is really off limits like that to me.
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It's just too much of it is. Right.
Yeah, that moderation idea. What do you think, Ryan?
Anything. Off limits for you.
I think that we can we can sit here and name things that are
probably less healthy than others.
But in practice, when you actually work with people in the
real world, it just usually doesn't translate well when you
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say don't or never eat this. And so that's where I think kind
of like the moderation thing comes into play.
It's like if you're on vacation,if you're on your honeymoon, if
you're with family around the holidays, are you not going to
enjoy a piece of cake? You know, maybe you have a
special moment with your child, you know, just different things
like that to where I do think you should be able to enjoy
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yourself with whatever it is obviously a food group.
Now, I don't think you should eat those things regularly, but
certain times I think it's OK, especially if you're doing the
diligent work of trying to be a healthy person on a daily basis.
I think that you're fine to enjoy some potato chips, have a
drink, celebrate every once in awhile.
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So I don't like to say this is off limits.
Never do it. I don't like to say that.
You know, you mentioned having adrink.
What do you think the alcohol impact has been or is for people
with fitness age and working out?
I know I've certainly observed next to a 0 tolerance with age.
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What if have What if you observed and what would you tell
a client that went out the nightbefore and you know, had a had a
few drinks and when they should consider their next workout?
So I can usually tell when my client, when my clients come in
the next day and they've been out late, pretty sensitive to
their cues and I can usually tell when they've been drinking.
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How would you modify things? You know.
Based on that. Like I said, it's it should be
in moderation. And if you know that you have a
session in the morning with me, you shouldn't be out the night
before drinking unless, you know, maybe something was going
on and you notified me and we probably shouldn't work out the
morning that you're dehydrated, that you are, you know, you're
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more susceptible to get an injury.
Your performance is going to be lower.
You probably didn't get into a good REM sleep because of the
alcohol. So it may be better for your
health and your goals to sleep in, hydrate that day, maybe work
out in the evening or just work out the next day because you
missing one work out, it's not going to be that big of a deal.
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But you working out while you'redehydrated, you've had a lot of
alcohol or whatever the night before, that could be
problematic. Yeah, You know, I want to come
back to that. You walked in with your big
pitcher of water. You said the same thing.
I've been drinking all morning. I walk around constantly
drinking water. Water and dehydration and
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workouts, muscle and dehydration.
What are some thoughts on that? Well, I try to drink a lot of
water because just it's just, itmakes sense.
That's just you should drink a lot of water.
I try to get in three liters a day.
It doesn't always work out that way, but that's my goal.
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But being dehydrated can cause all, you know, a bunch of other
issues you can get, you know, headaches and I have dry eye.
I get, you know, all kinds of things and because of the some
of the supplements I take, you should probably I should drink a
lot of water like creatine and things like that require that
you drink lots of water. So and it also, you know, if you
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get bloated sometimes you would think that water would be do the
opposite, but water actually exactly so, but I don't drink
alcohol either. So and that's only because my
brain surgery before, I guess that before the surgery and I
haven't missed it. So I haven't gone back to it
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because we do metabolize alcoholdifferently as we get older, so.
Yeah, I would second that, you know, drinking water and I'll
tweak it a little bit to hydration is very important.
And the reason I say hydration is because electrolytes play a
factor in hydration. So I mean, where humans were
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7080% water, even you saying like my eyes itch, you know,
water is vital, you know, for our being.
And so staying hydrated, so not just water, but you know, you
have magnesium, potassium, sodium, those all play an aspect
and staying hydrated. So hydration is key.
It's very important for every biological function that we
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have. So I can't express enough water.
Hydration is important. I'm just curious to either of
you, have any people that reallyinspired you on a fitness
journey? For me personally, and this is
interesting, when I was younger,I was inspired just by, you
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know, the people in TV shows whowere muscular.
Or when I would open up a book, there'd be like a superhero.
And, you know, when you're a young boy, you could probably
imagine yourself being a hero orsaving the day.
And so I think a lot of that forme personally, TV shows,
cartoons, things like that, where I would see muscular
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characters, I always wanted to be that.
And so that that actually inspired me the most of my
fitness journey. More over a single actual
person. You know, with social media now,
you see, there's so many beautiful people.
It's like a gazillion beautiful muscular bodies on social media.
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I try to not compare myself to women half my age, but they but
they you know, but but. You could show quite a few of
them up. Listen, I, I, you know, that's
not my goal. I wouldn't even try because
they, you know, they're working with different.
Change that perception you couldinspire an awful lot of.
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Them thank you. But yeah, so I, I look, I, I
don't know if there's one personI admire a lot of people like,
it could be someone I don't evenknow their names.
Like, oh wow, they look incredible.
What do they do? But I, you know, when you're 25
or 30, it's like you don't really have to do that much.
I mean, you do, but there's certain things that like it
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would take a lot more for me to reach that that would for
someone half my age. So I I admire it, but I don't
like, I'm not like I want to be that that's.
Funny when you when you talk about the muscular people
online, I remember being completely inspired.
I had pictures of Rachel, RachelMccleish and Corey Everson that
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I used to cut out their face andput my face on their bodies.
And Tonya Knight, you know, in the in the days of bodybuilding,
when Arnold was winning the Golden era, yes.
Arnold's. Winning, you know, the Mr.
Universe and Mr. America and I'll never forget it.
The 1987 Miss Olympia contest atthe Felt Forum.
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That's no longer the Felt Forum,but where they used to have all
the boxing matches and stuff over the year.
And Frank Franco Columbu comes out and he's in this white
button down, perfectly fitted shirt, and the whole audience is
screaming lap, pose, lap, pose, lap.
And he's like, my wife hates when I do this.
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And he loosens his tie and he turns around and he does that
and the shirt splits Exactly. And I'm like, he'd have gone
viral today, right? It was the.
Most memorable? Thing the sound of that shirt
ripping like. So I'm curious, do you?
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Both have people you find inspiring that you just say.
I really admire that person because of how they look or how
they train or what they're doing.
Where do you find your inspiration?
I guess I'm very careful about. Watching that because I don't
want. To compare myself.
So I can't really say there's one person that I can remember
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who they are. You know, like I said, I think I
see things in passing. I'm like, oh, that's great.
But I, I'm really focused on me and what works for me because I
know what works for someone elsemay not work for me, especially
where I am in my life, surgery or my age or so many other
factors that come into play thatI don't, you know, I don't, I
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try not to compare myself in that way.
So I don't, there's no one I could say fitness wise.
I mean, there are other things about people that I admire, but
the fitness part and what your body looks like, I try not to.
Judge them or. Not even judge, not judgement,
but you know, I try not to look at the whole person maybe and
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and not focus on that as much. I know it sounds strange.
No it doesn't. It's you against yourself,
right? Yeah.
How about? You, I know you recently.
Did like an Army or Rangers training program, So were you
getting inspired by those Rangers or what tells that
actually was inspiring? Yeah, I went up into the
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mountains and trained with the Army and we were hiking up
mountains and roping down a mountain and that was that was
very challenging. I think these days, because I'm
always looking at the next step ahead if I'm on Instagram and I
see like a father with a lot of responsibilities and he's also
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in shape. I think that's very admirable
because you know, you have children, you're worried about
taking care of others, being responsible for more than just
you, and you're still making time for you at a high level.
I think that's very admirable and I think that's inspiring.
I love that answer. That's great.
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That's a really. Great answer.
Oh, wait a minute, you know, OK.No train with Joan.
She's amazing. Isn't she amazing?
I mean, once like 75 something 77.
Oh yeah, she's. Amazing, yeah.
You know when. She showed her weight loss
journey, you know, when fitness journey how she you know, was
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she means she was carrying some half there and like totally,
totally transformed, turned it around.
I mean, when I see her, I'm like, jeez, she's got some legs.
I want to have arms back everything.
Yes, her. Back and everything.
And she turned her health aroundbecause she was had diabetes or
something like that. I wasn't.
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I'm not sure if that's exactly what it was, but it was
something like that. And she now she doesn't.
Yeah. So.
Yeah, yeah. And it's true.
It's interesting. When I see, you know, some of
the older guys like Mark Sisson or, you know, some of the ones
that have been around a long time, you know, but yeah, I
really agree. I really admire.
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Because so much more goes. Into it so.
Much more goes into. It if you were going to tell
your 20, let's say 2020 425 yearold self, you know, you're
coming out into the world on your own.
You know, you have have I mean, you've had less of a journey.
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So that's a 10 year look back for you and it's, you know. 3035
Look. Back for you in years, what
would you say to your younger self about the phases of life
you're going to go through and how you want to?
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Play it for the long haul in terms of.
Just your health, your balance. In life, like literally or
figurative, you know, balancing things out and being healthy and
appreciating your body. And always say we've, you know,
if we all had a Ferrari, we'd probably, that would be the most
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beautiful thing in the world. We'd clean it.
We'd, you know, make sure it wasperfectly had the right fluid in
it at all times. We'd really watch out for that
car. But meanwhile, these are our
Ferraris. We were given something far more
superior than a Ferrari, which is an awesome car.
But there's never going to be another.
Angelique, there is never going to be another Ryan.
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You are a one and only a one-of-a-kind.
So what would you have said to your younger self or someone
younger knowing you want to? Live that long haul in life.
Because people say, oh, I'm at 50, I'm halfway through.
Well, as we were talking earlier, I don't know too many
100 year olds that I want to popinto their body.
But we want the best, most healthy body for the longest
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period of time. So what would your retrospective
advice be? I think I, I think because I've
been working out since my 20s and I'm doing that.
I've been doing that part right.I think I would have.
I could go back, I would. Appreciate where I was more.
I would appreciate being that size 6 because back then I'm
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like, I want to be a size 8. I always wanted to be something
else or something more than whatI was.
And I think in your 20s and 30s appreciate where you are.
Yes, you know that is such good.Advice.
Yeah, I appreciate. Where you are, I would
appreciate it where I was more. If I was talking to.
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Myself or someone similar to me,I would tell them to give
yourself some grace and forgive yourself.
I've never had a problem with trying to work hard at something
or trying to achieve something, but there's been a lot of times
that I've been so hard on myselfor I felt, oh, I should be more
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muscular, I should be leaner or I should be further in life.
Maybe I shouldn't have spent money on that, or I shouldn't
have done this last night and I've wasted time beating up
myself to where I think it's important that we remember.
Give yourself some grace, forgive yourself, and tomorrow's
a new day. Those two answers were.
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Fantastic. I'm not sure I can say anything
to wrap up and other than say, wow, really good answers.
You know it, it really is. It's funny how you look back on
life and you say, oh, if only I realized that I was, you know,
it was good. It was good, but you're you're
always trying to get to that next level or you're not
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appreciating just how. Fabulous you were.
And you are so OK, well, I'm going to be sharing right below
in all the content here. You know, you can watch this as
a video, you can listen to it asan audio.
You can grab all of Ryan and Angelique's info right below on
(43:25):
whatever podcast channel you're listening to this.
And I really highly recommend you follow their social media
accounts. I'm telling you inspiration on a
regular basis. It really works, so thank you.
We have about a minute each. Do you have anything else you'd
like to say to this audience to give them that inspirational
kick in the arse to get them going?
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This is speaking to. Women my age or 40 and over,
it's just it's never too late and you're never too old.
To start a fitness journey A. Wellness journey you never it's
never too late. That's great.
Great reminder. Some good advice.
I would say keep working even ifyou stumble, you know, just
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figure out a way to keep going and you'll get there.
Excellent advice this has. Been a really fun discussion.
I really enjoyed that I got to spend this time with you.
Angelique Miles, Ryan Harden. You can find them both on
Instagram or on your local TV orin a magazine.
You just never know where these two are going to pop up.
(44:33):
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I'm Diane Grisell. This has been the Silver
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Hello everyone. I'm Diane Grissell.
Some people think of me as silver disobedience.
This is the Silver Disobedience Perception Dynamics podcast, and
I'm really excited. We're recording this in
Manhattan Center right now. We're in TV 2.
And so this is a big developmentfor this podcast and an exciting
(00:20):
one. But what has me even more
excited today? You know, I'm 64 and I can say
that every day after 40, when I had my first child and then a
second at 43, fitness has becomea real personal challenge.
Everything I ate seems to lingera little longer.
(00:42):
The amount of time at the gym seems to take a little more
time. And the recovery is a whole
other story. You know, sometimes I think I
can just skip three days, go back and, you know, feel great.
And the next day, I pay for thatpoor decision.
So I have two people here today that I actually met on
(01:03):
Instagram. So when they say you can't meet
people on Instagram, that's alsonot true.
You can. And the two people I met are
Ryan Harden, who is a model withWillem, a fitness model with
Willemina. He's a fitness trainer and he's
a fitness expert. So he is my guest directly next
(01:27):
to me. I also have Angelique Miles, who
I have done some campaigns with.She is a fitness influencer in
the 50 plus crowd and so I'm really excited to learn more
about what she has to say about being 50 plus.
And even more interesting. We're going to start with the
(01:47):
fact because you're going to getto see what she looks like in
moments if you haven't seen her already, depending on how this
is getting edited. But if you haven't seen her yet,
let me just say 11 months ago, 11 months ago.
Did I say 11 months ago? Yes, she had a brain tumor.
So this is a woman that was in shape, had a brain tumor, had
(02:11):
surgery, and she's back here looking just as fine.
So Angelique, how do you look this good?
What's the secret? 11 months ago, brain surgery and
here you are today. You know, it's, it's the actual
anniversary, 11 month anniversary today.
I had it on April 25th and I don't know Diane, I just kept
(02:32):
going. You know what I mean?
My doctor, my surgeon, immediateupon immediate release from the
hospital, he's like walk, walk 30 minutes twice a day as much
as you can. So I started day one from the
hospital walking in trouble. I had to hold on because I had
no balance and someone had to walk with me.
(02:54):
But I started day one and two weeks later, so you can lift
light weights. So I lifted light weights and
then at six weeks they were like, go all out as much as
whatever you want to do. So that's what I've been doing.
Oh my gosh, we're coming back tothat.
Ryan, Can you imagine having a client like this?
What would you say to this client?
(03:16):
Probably something similar. You know, I'm a big advocate of
always trying to move or do whatyou can do with what you can.
So but I think that's amazing that you were able to, you know,
fight through that that adversity and keep moving.
That's that's amazing. I'm still fighting because I
still don't have the balance as we discussed the hearing, so my
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equilibriums off. So I'm still fighting through
that. And I was very weak at that six
week point. Like, you know, my because I
hadn't worked out a lot prior tothat because I had trigeminal
neuralgia, which is another issue with facial nerves.
So I hadn't really been working out too much prior to my
(03:57):
surgery. So I was really, I felt like I
was severely out of shape. You know, I wasn't out of shape
for some, I guess, but I, you know, it took me like a couple
of months to really get back in the swing of things.
And as she was saying, you can'ttell that you've missed a beat.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
That's a blessing. Exactly.
I and I encourage you all to follow Angelique Miles and Ryan
(04:19):
Harden and all their info will be below in this podcast because
I've seen them both in bikinis or.
You have bikinis, right? Well, whatever you call whatever
you call those people. Sure, sure.
Guys. Where and I'm telling you they
are inspiring. So I want to know what bought
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you both. I'm turning it over to you.
I want to know what bought you both to your fitness journey.
So let's start with you on that,Ryan.
Well, growing up, I was a prettychubby kid.
So kind of round through high school when I started to be
attracted to women, they were kind of like, oh, he's cute, but
he's chubby and that kind of it.It bothered me a lot in the back
(05:05):
of my head. And so I got into sports,
started to play football, did a little bit of track and puberty
started to hit and I never likedworking out in high school when
I played football, I would skip.I didn't like it, the coaches
yelling at me and I just, I justdidn't like it.
And, but after I graduated, I got into MMA and so I started to
(05:28):
wait. Yeah, I started to weight train
for MMA and I actually fell in love with weight training just
listening to music. I started to work at a gym
underneath a bodybuilder and he kind of took me in, taught me a
lot of stuff. I worked at AGNC where I learned
a bit about nutrition, and then after that I just kind of just
(05:49):
went to the next level. I went to the school at
University of Kentucky for dietetics, and it just kind of
went to the next level after that.
Yeah. Wow.
How about you Angelique? What was your I know, I know,
you had a background in not fitness.
Yes, well, it's, it's, it's there's two prongs to this.
I danced when I was much younger, like from like 6 to 16
(06:12):
and I danced, but at 13 I was diagnosed with psoriasis, which
is an autoimmune condition that affects the skin.
So from that point, I like to call my journey a Wellness
journey, not just a fitness journey, because I was trying to
heal myself from that point as as much as I could.
I was doing all the research I could and I, I did everything,
(06:36):
every diet you could imagine. And, but fitness was a big part
of it because I was very slim with this guy was always slim.
And I wanted to shape my body. So in my 20s, I was doing things
like Lottie Burke. Do you remember the Lottie Burke
method? I did the Lottie Burke method.
I was, I was about like, I really loved bar classes back
(06:57):
then, but outside a trainer at certain points too.
So I was always working on myself, trying to shape my body
then, you know, in the music industry around this time.
And after my music industry career ended, I wanted to do
something that I could control because it was a very difficult
(07:18):
time for me. And, you know, I wasn't getting
the callbacks that I used to. I was, you know, jobless, trying
to get back in. And my body was the one thing I
could control. And my body started changing
around this time because I was perimenopausal and being thin
all my life. After get you gain 7 lbs and six
(07:38):
months, you're like, what's happening?
And my mom's like, well, that's how it starts.
My mom was like, that's how it starts.
I was like, I'm not going out like that.
So I was like, I have to get more aggressive with my workout.
So CrossFit was what I did. I got into CrossFit and the
workouts was so insane to me. I was like, they're like, run 2
(07:58):
miles, come back and do 50 kettlebell swings, then do it
again. That was like, OK, somebody
knows, needs to know. I did this.
So that's when I started postingmy workouts because I'm like,
this is insane. Someone needs to know.
So I got into CrossFit and from that point my post was started
(08:19):
resonating with people and I waslike, OK, I'm really on to
something. But it was really about me.
It wasn't really about impressing anyone else.
I was like, I just want to be really fit and look the way I
want to look into going into my 40s and 50s.
You know, it's so funny. You talk about MMA and CrossFit
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and I go back, I remember I worked at a health club in the
19 late 1970s and they were the first health club to have
Nautilus equipment, which was the precursor to like the
Lifetime or whatever that equipment was.
And all the other the purple stuff you see now.
And it's so funny because you know, when I watched because
(09:05):
that was really, I mean, obviously it was Jack Lane,
which was way before even my time.
So, but I watched Jack Lane and I paid so close attention to him
because he said such smart things like, you know, you
didn't get out of shape in a day.
You're not going to get in shapein a day, you know, so smart
things to remember. But what you know you've you
(09:29):
found your kind of Marks and fitness, but where do you find
your day going when it shapes around fitness?
Like do do you work out in the morning?
You're working with clients? Like how do you fit it all in?
How do you tell people to fit itin if they want to be fit?
(09:50):
Well, for me, if it doesn't get done in the morning, it doesn't
get done. So if I, it's the first thing I
do when I wake up, well, that's the first thing I, I do.
Like I pray, I meditate, I have a have a ritual that I do and
then my workout clothes are all hung up.
So I get to see, I have to walk past my workout clothes in the
(10:12):
morning, so I put them on immediately.
So that's the first thing I do. And I have a trainer, so I have
someone to meet at a certain time every day.
So that's important to me. And before I had a trainer, I
took classes that I also had to pay for and the, you know, show
up on time for. So that helps me.
(10:33):
But it has to be done in the morning.
I am not an afternoon workout person.
I am not an evening workout person.
It has to be done in the morningfor me.
Yeah. How about you, Ryan?
Ideally, ideally I would also bea morning workout person, but
sometimes with my schedule, I have a lot of one-on-one clients
that I train. So because of that and other
(10:55):
things that I'm interested in like the stock market hours and
different things like that. And so I've been my schedule to
where I can fit it in and slots where I don't have clients or
I'm not doing other things. But I used to always be a big
morning workout person and I've tried to step back from that to
focus a bit more on business. But I always make time for it.
(11:16):
Even if it's an hour or I have a45 minute gap, I may do
something more intense, something more like CrossFit
HIT. If I have a bit more time, then
I may take my time. And so I I make it happen
regardless of my schedule, I'll fit it in.
No, Ryan, you're about 32 I 3232.
Angelique, you're in your early 50s.
Late 59 this year. Oh my gosh, I've known you a
(11:40):
while. Now for a while.
How time flies. Yeah, it does. 59.
Wow. 9 in August. Yeah, I feel like I remember you
posting for your 50th birthday. Yeah, I think that's around the
time we met, yeah. Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's
shocking to. Me, it flew by.
OK. So each decade, obviously Ryan's
(12:02):
coming from a younger perspective, but your 20s or
your teens, you know, they guys they talk about, you know, you
don't hit your man body till you're like in your early 20s,
let's say, and or maybe mid 20s,late 20s, I don't know, I never
had to get a man body. But you don't, you know, you
think different milestones, women you have maybe
(12:23):
childbearing years or you have menopause or just plain hormonal
changes that happened over the years.
What would you say fitness wise to someone who's in there?
Teens, 20s, thirties, 40s, fifties, 60s on what to think
about and how it would vary? I'd love both your opinions on
this in any way you want to throw them out.
(12:44):
Well, in my opinion, you know, each stage of life, your values
should change. So when I was a teen, when I
thought about working out, I mostly thought of aesthetics.
I want to look like this superhero or I want to be
attractive. I want my arms to look a certain
way. You know, now that I'm 32, my
(13:05):
values, when people ask me, Ryan, are you trying to get
bigger? A lot of my workouts are
designed for my mental health. I put my music in and I'm just
I'm trying to work out. I'm trying to relieve some
stress. I still have challenging
workouts, but I'm not the goal isn't so much I want my arms
bigger. It's more so for my mental
health these days. And then when I'm working with
people who, you know, they may be 40 years old and I'm like,
(13:29):
well, what are you trying to do?What why are you here?
You know, some people, they wantto get their blood pressure
down. Some people want an outlet.
Some people want to get their waist smaller.
So your values and different ages or phases of your life
usually change. I think that they should change.
It's a good sign of growth, you know, And so that's something to
keep in mind. And also, you know, maybe you
(13:52):
wake up and you're getting aches.
Maybe you haven't weight trained.
You need to get stronger, more resilient.
So I try to remind people that when they're teens, but usually
they're so focused on the aesthetics.
So it's, it's a hard, yeah, it's, it's a hard message to get
through. But you know, as they get older,
they usually start to realize those things.
And so regardless, you're exercising, you're working out.
(14:15):
But it's normal to see people's values change in different ages
phases of their life. What do you think?
That's really good answer. That is really good answer in
much respect. When I started working out in my
late 30s early 40's, the CrossFit thing was definitely a
mental a stress release thing for me because I was under so
much stress at that time. Well, let me just say that for
(14:40):
me, it's still about aesthetics.Yeah, it's it's always about
aesthetics. You know what I mean?
I want my waist to be smaller. I want my butt to be lifted
because that's the first thing to go.
Yeah, I was just joking with someone the other day.
I said I understand that Sophia Loren line.
It's either you have to choose at some point your butt or your
(15:01):
face. Because I'm like, well, I'm
about 5 lbs heavier butt. Wow is my skin looking much
better. But my butt sure is.
Glutes are the first thing to go.
I will tell you that thing will start dragging on you before you
realize it. So my advice is in your 30s and
40s, definitely work on your glutes, make sure those.
(15:26):
But I, like I said, in my 40s, Istarted going through
perimenopause, I guess. So your body starts changing.
And as as soon as I got the hangof, you know, certain kind of
workout, my body would change again, you know, So I would say
50s have been the most challenging time for me to work
(15:48):
out because it's always trying. I'm always trying to figure out
what's going to work now or what's you know, And I find that
in my 50s now that I'm post menopausal, I don't do as much
cardio because I was a cardiac. I was, you know, I would do boot
camp classes and yeah, and that was never, I did run a half
(16:10):
marathon, but I've never really been a runner.
But I would try to run a little bit.
But now it's about lifting really heavy, really heavy,
maybe 2 days of HIT per week andand walking.
But I don't do the crazy cardio classes that I used to do.
Can you define what hit is for people who don't know?
(16:32):
HIT is high intensity interval training.
So you're like you're, you're getting your heart rate up from
maybe 30 seconds to a minute andthen you're resting also with
HIT. And that's with weights.
No, that that could be the assault bike, that could be
sprints, that could be you just get, yeah, you're just getting
your heart rate. Seconds as high as you can get
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your heart rate up. And then complete rest.
Well, they say for post menopausal women, because some
people do hit 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off or a minute off.
Post menopausal women, we're supposed to get our heart rate
heart rate up and then complete rest until we're ready to go all
out again. It's interesting because, you
know, we lose muscle. So I go 30 seconds and I can
(17:13):
start again tomorrow until. You're ready to go again, but.
We. Want to see results?
But you know, because we're losing so much muscle mass as we
get older, we're trying to just maintain the muscle mass.
And if you do too much cardio, you start burning.
Yeah, the muscle mass loss is I think, the biggest shock.
(17:35):
Yeah, with aging, I mean, I competed in local bodybuilding
contests in like the early 1980s.
And I mean, I had I had thighs that look like tree trunks.
Now I look at my thighs and I'm like, what the heck happened to
my thighs? I mean, they're, they're like
these chicken. I live lights and I my legs are
(17:57):
still thinner. Really fascinating to see that
muscle loss that you don't expect to see, but it happens.
It's real, yeah. So that's what's yeah, it's,
it's always changing so, but nowit's like it's about heavy
lifting protein intake. You know, I try to, I try to
count my macros, but it's reallyabout caloric intake.
(18:19):
They say so, but I, you know, I still live a little I since
before the surgery I see some. Good trips you've taken?
I take great trips. I think you made a promise to
yourself. What was it?
Once a quarter you were going togo on a trip with some friends?
Or have you twice a year, Twice a year that are non negotiable.
That's New Year's Eve and preferably Jamaica.
(18:40):
Yeah, or anywhere there's a beach, tropical beach.
And then for my birthday, I'm never here.
There you go, I remember. But then I travel other times
during the year too. But those two year took those
two points of the year are non negotiable for me.
Gotta love a tropical beach, yeah?
I need that. I need to spend the last day of
the year like that and the firstday of the year like that.
(19:02):
So that's been my tradition for some years now.
That's a good one. You know, I'm curious.
There's, you know, I, as I said,I met you both by Instagram
possibly the first time. Then we waved on 42nd St. and I
saw you at a shoot or some eventfor some brand.
There's so many fads and things that happen on social media.
(19:24):
You know, we should try this kind of training or we should
eat this way, or you should be high protein or high fat or low
fat or high carb or whatever. I mean, it goes on and on and
on. What would you say are your
personal diets and do you think they transcend to people you
might coach or advise? What would your recommendations
be, since you're both fine specimens of the human body?
(19:49):
Well, first and foremost, I would like to say when looking
at social media, I think we haveto keep in mind that a lot of
times, you know, and even myselfcan be guilty of this.
We may post something for shock value or to get views or to get
in the algorithm. And a lot of times I don't know
if the average person has that in mind when they're viewing
(20:12):
content, so. You get that a lot with
sometimes with diets where you may hear a guy say you should
never eat eggs and then you hearsomeone say you should eat eggs
every morning, and then someone saying you shouldn't eat plants
and then someone saying you should be a vegetarian.
And so the way that I like to eat primarily is just healthy
(20:35):
Whole Foods with limited ingredients.
Probably single ingredient wouldbe best and then go from there.
If I can do that 80% of the time, you know, if it's on
something on a weekend where my friends are in town and we want
to go out to eat, I enjoy myself.
I don't feel guilty to where I'min this spiral.
The next day I'm not eating and then I have one meal because
(20:56):
yesterday I had a slice of pizza, you know.
So if you can primarily eat healthy, Whole Foods, single
ingredient, I think that you'll be in a very good position.
And then after that, you can kind of go from there.
Give yourself some wiggle room. Nice common sense answer, Yeah,
How about you Anjali? Well, he's a professional, so I
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have to agree with Ryan. But no, for me, of course, Whole
Foods, as often as possible. I even use a meal delivery
service because that makes it easier for me to get the food I
know that I need and the amount of protein and things like that
that I need. Protein is important for me.
Over 50 because of the muscle mass issues so I try to get my
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body weight in protein grams perday.
And question with you because a lot of women that I work with,
they get scared when they hear that like protein.
So when you talk to other women or women talk to you and they
aspire to you, when you tell them I prioritize protein, what
is their usual reaction to the. They're like, how do you get
that in a day? And I will admit that some days
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it's difficult if I'm not, if I didn't have the meal plan that I
had, you have to plan. Otherwise it doesn't usually
happen for me. But I do supplement it with
protein shakes. You'd be surprised how much
protein is in a palm size amountof chicken or fish or I just
(22:29):
have to have protein. I try to have protein every
meal, whether it's a snack or breakfast, lunch, dinner.
And I've supplemented with shakes and there's, you know,
you can have a shake to go. I make shakes at home, but I'm
counting the protein as I as I go along.
So you're counting grams of protein as your visual for where
(22:52):
you want to be in a day. Yes, like today I've probably
had like 80 grams so far. So I have another 80 to go
because I'm about, I'm about having.
Sex. Wow, that's very, yeah, that's
that's a big number to hit in protein.
It really is because I had, I had eggs and Turkey sausage for
breakfast and I had a protein shake.
(23:13):
So that's about that. And then I had like a boiled
egg, like 2 boiled eggs before Icame here.
So that's another. And I'll have, you know, have
like 2 more meals and a snack today.
It'll it'll work out. It'll all it'll all come
together you. Know what's interesting with
that? I was talking with a friend of
mine who recently had a baby. Babies.
(23:38):
Maybe year, right? About a year old and she ended
up having a stroke a couple of months ago and she has gone on a
diet of basically steak and eggs.
And I have never seen someone leaner and more fit looking.
And her only exercise is she's walking all over New York with a
(24:00):
stroller. I'm like, that's the best
argument for steak and eggs thatI have ever seen.
That's like a that's all protein, yeah.
And I'm like, I don't think I can imagine doing it.
I can think of some salads I would miss.
But I can't argue with the, you know, when you have Jordan
Peterson, who says he follows that diet and you know, it's,
(24:21):
it's an interesting. It was the Atkins diet in our
day, yes. Atkins, Stillman, depending on,
you know, whose mother was doingwhat tuna and cottage cheese.
I said that to my husband the other day.
I'm like, you know, I'm thinkingI might try what my mother did,
some tuna and cottage cheese. Like that sounds disgusting.
And I said, well, that's actually what I always thought
(24:42):
when she ate it. But we ate it for dinner with
big iceberg lettuce leaves, and it was delicious.
Shocking. But what do you think about
that? Do you eat a gram of protein a
day, I mean, or a gram of protein for your body?
Weight, yeah. So I've probably taken around
215 to 230 grams a day. Wow.
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Very similar. Very similar.
You know, looking at the muscular sure on on you both, I
would be very hard pressed to argue that it certainly doesn't
look like it's not working for you.
I'm curious, Blood work? Do you ever go get blood work
done? That's always what I do.
You can take any blood you want from me.
(25:27):
I have my blood work done probably 5 months ago and the
doctor said it's pristine. Yeah.
And I eat eggs every morning, soyeah.
I have blood work done often because of my psoriasis so I'm
on biologic for that and then also I'm on.
(25:49):
This is off topic, but I'm on HRT so I have to have my blood
taken every three to six months.You know, I'm all I'm always
interested in fads trends. Obviously you can't go online
and not see everyone's telling you eat more of this, eat more
of that which you were prefacingearlier when you were talking
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about your own diet. What do you think the most
hurtful trends that people are adopting because someone's
telling them this is the way to get thin?
Because that's probably the number one everything everyone's
looking for. They're not necessarily saying
this is the number one way to get healthy.
(26:30):
I don't think anything done to the extreme is error, so I can't
really. I don't really pay attention to
the fads much but I would imagine like if you do, if
you're doing something extreme it's probably not good or not
long lasting. I think that's good advice to
keep in mind. Yeah, I would probably 2nd that.
(26:54):
It's hard to pinpoint one thing that I see that I'm like this is
the number one. But usually anything that's
really radical, extreme, you know, it's probably not
something you can sustain and it's probably not healthy and
you'll probably have some sort of rebound, is what I notice a
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lot. Is there any food group that you
think is absolutely off limits? No.
No, I like that answer. You know, I'm not, I, I don't
restrict. I don't deprive myself.
Like if I really want something,I'll have it.
I just want, like if I want potato chips, I won't eat the
(27:37):
whole bag. I have a few potato chips if I'm
craving it, you know, I mean, I just, I don't believe in
depriving yourself of everythingin that way, you know, in
everything in moderation of it. But I was, yeah.
Nothing is really off limits like that to me.
(27:58):
It's just too much of it is. Right.
Yeah, that moderation idea. What do you think, Ryan?
Anything. Off limits for you.
I think that we can we can sit here and name things that are
probably less healthy than others.
But in practice, when you actually work with people in the
real world, it just usually doesn't translate well when you
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say don't or never eat this. And so that's where I think kind
of like the moderation thing comes into play.
It's like if you're on vacation,if you're on your honeymoon, if
you're with family around the holidays, are you not going to
enjoy a piece of cake? You know, maybe you have a
special moment with your child, you know, just different things
like that to where I do think you should be able to enjoy
(28:43):
yourself with whatever it is obviously a food group.
Now, I don't think you should eat those things regularly, but
certain times I think it's OK, especially if you're doing the
diligent work of trying to be a healthy person on a daily basis.
I think that you're fine to enjoy some potato chips, have a
drink, celebrate every once in awhile.
(29:05):
So I don't like to say this is off limits.
Never do it. I don't like to say that.
You know, you mentioned having adrink.
What do you think the alcohol impact has been or is for people
with fitness age and working out?
I know I've certainly observed next to a 0 tolerance with age.
(29:30):
What if have What if you observed and what would you tell
a client that went out the nightbefore and you know, had a had a
few drinks and when they should consider their next workout?
So I can usually tell when my client, when my clients come in
the next day and they've been out late, pretty sensitive to
their cues and I can usually tell when they've been drinking.
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How would you modify things? You know.
Based on that. Like I said, it's it should be
in moderation. And if you know that you have a
session in the morning with me, you shouldn't be out the night
before drinking unless, you know, maybe something was going
on and you notified me and we probably shouldn't work out the
morning that you're dehydrated, that you are, you know, you're
(30:13):
more susceptible to get an injury.
Your performance is going to be lower.
You probably didn't get into a good REM sleep because of the
alcohol. So it may be better for your
health and your goals to sleep in, hydrate that day, maybe work
out in the evening or just work out the next day because you
missing one work out, it's not going to be that big of a deal.
(30:34):
But you working out while you'redehydrated, you've had a lot of
alcohol or whatever the night before, that could be
problematic. Yeah, You know, I want to come
back to that. You walked in with your big
pitcher of water. You said the same thing.
I've been drinking all morning. I walk around constantly
drinking water. Water and dehydration and
(30:58):
workouts, muscle and dehydration.
What are some thoughts on that? Well, I try to drink a lot of
water because just it's just, itmakes sense.
That's just you should drink a lot of water.
I try to get in three liters a day.
It doesn't always work out that way, but that's my goal.
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But being dehydrated can cause all, you know, a bunch of other
issues you can get, you know, headaches and I have dry eye.
I get, you know, all kinds of things and because of the some
of the supplements I take, you should probably I should drink a
lot of water like creatine and things like that require that
you drink lots of water. So and it also, you know, if you
(31:43):
get bloated sometimes you would think that water would be do the
opposite, but water actually exactly so, but I don't drink
alcohol either. So and that's only because my
brain surgery before, I guess that before the surgery and I
haven't missed it. So I haven't gone back to it
(32:03):
because we do metabolize alcoholdifferently as we get older, so.
Yeah, I would second that, you know, drinking water and I'll
tweak it a little bit to hydration is very important.
And the reason I say hydration is because electrolytes play a
factor in hydration. So I mean, where humans were
(32:25):
7080% water, even you saying like my eyes itch, you know,
water is vital, you know, for our being.
And so staying hydrated, so not just water, but you know, you
have magnesium, potassium, sodium, those all play an aspect
and staying hydrated. So hydration is key.
It's very important for every biological function that we
(32:48):
have. So I can't express enough water.
Hydration is important. I'm just curious to either of
you, have any people that reallyinspired you on a fitness
journey? For me personally, and this is
interesting, when I was younger,I was inspired just by, you
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know, the people in TV shows whowere muscular.
Or when I would open up a book, there'd be like a superhero.
And, you know, when you're a young boy, you could probably
imagine yourself being a hero orsaving the day.
And so I think a lot of that forme personally, TV shows,
cartoons, things like that, where I would see muscular
(33:31):
characters, I always wanted to be that.
And so that that actually inspired me the most of my
fitness journey. More over a single actual
person. You know, with social media now,
you see, there's so many beautiful people.
It's like a gazillion beautiful muscular bodies on social media.
(33:52):
I try to not compare myself to women half my age, but they but
they you know, but but. You could show quite a few of
them up. Listen, I, I, you know, that's
not my goal. I wouldn't even try because
they, you know, they're working with different.
Change that perception you couldinspire an awful lot of.
(34:16):
Them thank you. But yeah, so I, I look, I, I
don't know if there's one personI admire a lot of people like,
it could be someone I don't evenknow their names.
Like, oh wow, they look incredible.
What do they do? But I, you know, when you're 25
or 30, it's like you don't really have to do that much.
I mean, you do, but there's certain things that like it
(34:40):
would take a lot more for me to reach that that would for
someone half my age. So I I admire it, but I don't
like, I'm not like I want to be that that's.
Funny when you when you talk about the muscular people
online, I remember being completely inspired.
I had pictures of Rachel, RachelMccleish and Corey Everson that
(35:01):
I used to cut out their face andput my face on their bodies.
And Tonya Knight, you know, in the in the days of bodybuilding,
when Arnold was winning the Golden era, yes.
Arnold's. Winning, you know, the Mr.
Universe and Mr. America and I'll never forget it.
The 1987 Miss Olympia contest atthe Felt Forum.
(35:25):
That's no longer the Felt Forum,but where they used to have all
the boxing matches and stuff over the year.
And Frank Franco Columbu comes out and he's in this white
button down, perfectly fitted shirt, and the whole audience is
screaming lap, pose, lap, pose, lap.
And he's like, my wife hates when I do this.
(35:48):
And he loosens his tie and he turns around and he does that
and the shirt splits Exactly. And I'm like, he'd have gone
viral today, right? It was the.
Most memorable? Thing the sound of that shirt
ripping like. So I'm curious, do you?
(36:09):
Both have people you find inspiring that you just say.
I really admire that person because of how they look or how
they train or what they're doing.
Where do you find your inspiration?
I guess I'm very careful about. Watching that because I don't
want. To compare myself.
So I can't really say there's one person that I can remember
(36:32):
who they are. You know, like I said, I think I
see things in passing. I'm like, oh, that's great.
But I, I'm really focused on me and what works for me because I
know what works for someone elsemay not work for me, especially
where I am in my life, surgery or my age or so many other
factors that come into play thatI don't, you know, I don't, I
(36:56):
try not to compare myself in that way.
So I don't, there's no one I could say fitness wise.
I mean, there are other things about people that I admire, but
the fitness part and what your body looks like, I try not to.
Judge them or. Not even judge, not judgement,
but you know, I try not to look at the whole person maybe and
(37:19):
and not focus on that as much. I know it sounds strange.
No it doesn't. It's you against yourself,
right? Yeah.
How about? You, I know you recently.
Did like an Army or Rangers training program, So were you
getting inspired by those Rangers or what tells that
actually was inspiring? Yeah, I went up into the
(37:39):
mountains and trained with the Army and we were hiking up
mountains and roping down a mountain and that was that was
very challenging. I think these days, because I'm
always looking at the next step ahead if I'm on Instagram and I
see like a father with a lot of responsibilities and he's also
(37:59):
in shape. I think that's very admirable
because you know, you have children, you're worried about
taking care of others, being responsible for more than just
you, and you're still making time for you at a high level.
I think that's very admirable and I think that's inspiring.
I love that answer. That's great.
(38:21):
That's a really. Great answer.
Oh, wait a minute, you know, OK.No train with Joan.
She's amazing. Isn't she amazing?
I mean, once like 75 something 77.
Oh yeah, she's. Amazing, yeah.
You know when. She showed her weight loss
journey, you know, when fitness journey how she you know, was
(38:41):
she means she was carrying some half there and like totally,
totally transformed, turned it around.
I mean, when I see her, I'm like, jeez, she's got some legs.
I want to have arms back everything.
Yes, her. Back and everything.
And she turned her health aroundbecause she was had diabetes or
something like that. I wasn't.
(39:02):
I'm not sure if that's exactly what it was, but it was
something like that. And she now she doesn't.
Yeah. So.
Yeah, yeah. And it's true.
It's interesting. When I see, you know, some of
the older guys like Mark Sisson or, you know, some of the ones
that have been around a long time, you know, but yeah, I
really agree. I really admire.
(39:22):
Because so much more goes. Into it so.
Much more goes into. It if you were going to tell
your 20, let's say 2020 425 yearold self, you know, you're
coming out into the world on your own.
You know, you have have I mean, you've had less of a journey.
(39:44):
So that's a 10 year look back for you and it's, you know. 3035
Look. Back for you in years, what
would you say to your younger self about the phases of life
you're going to go through and how you want to?
(40:04):
Play it for the long haul in terms of.
Just your health, your balance. In life, like literally or
figurative, you know, balancing things out and being healthy and
appreciating your body. And always say we've, you know,
if we all had a Ferrari, we'd probably, that would be the most
(40:26):
beautiful thing in the world. We'd clean it.
We'd, you know, make sure it wasperfectly had the right fluid in
it at all times. We'd really watch out for that
car. But meanwhile, these are our
Ferraris. We were given something far more
superior than a Ferrari, which is an awesome car.
But there's never going to be another.
Angelique, there is never going to be another Ryan.
(40:47):
You are a one and only a one-of-a-kind.
So what would you have said to your younger self or someone
younger knowing you want to? Live that long haul in life.
Because people say, oh, I'm at 50, I'm halfway through.
Well, as we were talking earlier, I don't know too many
100 year olds that I want to popinto their body.
But we want the best, most healthy body for the longest
(41:10):
period of time. So what would your retrospective
advice be? I think I, I think because I've
been working out since my 20s and I'm doing that.
I've been doing that part right.I think I would have.
I could go back, I would. Appreciate where I was more.
I would appreciate being that size 6 because back then I'm
(41:33):
like, I want to be a size 8. I always wanted to be something
else or something more than whatI was.
And I think in your 20s and 30s appreciate where you are.
Yes, you know that is such good.Advice.
Yeah, I appreciate. Where you are, I would
appreciate it where I was more. If I was talking to.
(41:55):
Myself or someone similar to me,I would tell them to give
yourself some grace and forgive yourself.
I've never had a problem with trying to work hard at something
or trying to achieve something, but there's been a lot of times
that I've been so hard on myselfor I felt, oh, I should be more
(42:15):
muscular, I should be leaner or I should be further in life.
Maybe I shouldn't have spent money on that, or I shouldn't
have done this last night and I've wasted time beating up
myself to where I think it's important that we remember.
Give yourself some grace, forgive yourself, and tomorrow's
a new day. Those two answers were.
(42:38):
Fantastic. I'm not sure I can say anything
to wrap up and other than say, wow, really good answers.
You know it, it really is. It's funny how you look back on
life and you say, oh, if only I realized that I was, you know,
it was good. It was good, but you're you're
always trying to get to that next level or you're not
(43:01):
appreciating just how. Fabulous you were.
And you are so OK, well, I'm going to be sharing right below
in all the content here. You know, you can watch this as
a video, you can listen to it asan audio.
You can grab all of Ryan and Angelique's info right below on
(43:25):
whatever podcast channel you're listening to this.
And I really highly recommend you follow their social media
accounts. I'm telling you inspiration on a
regular basis. It really works, so thank you.
We have about a minute each. Do you have anything else you'd
like to say to this audience to give them that inspirational
kick in the arse to get them going?
(43:49):
This is speaking to. Women my age or 40 and over,
it's just it's never too late and you're never too old.
To start a fitness journey A. Wellness journey you never it's
never too late. That's great.
Great reminder. Some good advice.
I would say keep working even ifyou stumble, you know, just
(44:12):
figure out a way to keep going and you'll get there.
Excellent advice this has. Been a really fun discussion.
I really enjoyed that I got to spend this time with you.
Angelique Miles, Ryan Harden. You can find them both on
Instagram or on your local TV orin a magazine.
You just never know where these two are going to pop up.
(44:33):
So I want to thank you all for watching.
I'm Diane Grisell. This has been the Silver
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