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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to
Simpliadify's podcast.
Our goal is to encourage womenas we navigate the messiness of
life through biblical studies,personal stories and practical
tips that bolster our walk withJesus daily.
Thank you for joining us in ourepisode today.
Hello all, we are starting ournew series on current topics in
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our Christian realm.
The first one that we're goingto address is this homestead
movement that is very popular inChristian circles and even
non-Christian circles really,and we're going to just talk
about pros and cons biblical,not biblical kind of address it
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from that perspective.
What about it is biblical?
What do we think is notbiblical?
What could be potential issueswith it?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now, if you are a
stay-at-home sourdough baking
woman of Jesus, don't tune usout, because you're not
attacking you, I promise.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
For sure.
No, because I just madesourdough homemade bagels this
morning.
Oh man, that sounds really good.
Oh yeah, I've been trying forthe past month on Saturday
mornings I'll make sourdoughbagels and I'm trying to get the
perfect recipe.
Some of them are a little toodense and, yeah, today's were
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pretty good anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Awesome.
I was actually thinking abouttrying to make bagels today, but
gluten-free ones for mydaughter.
Oh yeah, that could be tricky,yeah, but I'm going to try it
for her.
We're going to try.
Yes, we are very much foraspects of this whole movement
and, truthfully, it's more ofjust a return to basics, right.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Right, right.
And so let's just dive rightinto the pros.
We are pro-mama taking care ofher family.
That is biblical.
We have some verses on that.
I'll just read a few just tokind of let us know where this
is coming from, right?
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So first, timothy 5.14,.
I will, therefore, that theyoung women marry, bear children
, guide the house, give it onoccasion to the adversary to
speak reproachfully.
And then Titus 2.3-5,.
The Asian women likewise.
That they be in behaviors,become a holiness, not false
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accusers, not given too muchwine, teachers of good things.
That they may teach the youngwomen to be sober, to love their
husbands, to love theirchildren, to be discreet, chase
keepers at home, good, obedientto their own husbands.
That the word of God be notblaspheme.
So, and I have, you know, a listof other ones that we were
looking at in research.
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And so, yes, obviously we knowthat the biblical mandate for
mothers is to care for theirhome, to care for their children
, to care for their husbands.
That is, for sure, biblical.
And if you are not doing that,if you are slacking in those
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areas and kind of farming yourresponsibilities out, maybe a
little bit of a heart check isin need.
But I think most of us motherswant to do the right thing and
take care of our families andour husbands and our house right
.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Absolutely, and I
think that just because you have
someone helping you with thosethings doesn't mean that you're
necessarily wrong.
It's not saying you're wrong.
Are we choosing the easy wayout?
That's something that I have toheart.
Check myself on often is am Idoing the best where I'm at?
And while you're talking, I'mgoing to be looking for a
reference that really convictedme in this area, but please keep
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going.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, no, I mean when
everybody goes back to the
proverb 31 woman as this idealwoman which we've talked about
and we've said, yes, she is theideal woman because she was a
mother's description of theperfect woman for her son, right
?
So was she a real person?
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Probably not, but thedescription of a virtuous woman
is found in her right.
And even in that this woman did.
She had people under hermanaging aspects of her home,
right?
So it's not that you're doingit all, necessarily, but you are
the manager of it all and it isyour responsibility to make
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sure that your husband, yourchildren are taken care of.
Okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I found the verse.
It was Ephesians 4, 1 and 2,.
I therefore, the prisoner ofthe Lord, beseech you that you
walk worthy of the vocationwherewith ye are called, with
all lowliness and meekness, withlong suffering for bearing one
another in love and as wives andmothers.
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That is our vocation, that'sour job, and am I doing it
worthy with meekness andlowliness and long suffering and
love?
And I think that, as we getinto this, obviously there's
different ways that this playsout, but that was a huge heart
attack for me.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All of us, in
different areas of our life,
will at times fight eating thebread of idleness right.
In different areas peoplestruggle.
Some people are great at beingsuper organized and highly
efficient, right, and somepeople I've heard of those
people and that's wonderful,that's a great strength to have.
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But usually there's an oppositeside of that personality that
needs to be worked on right,sometimes to the detriment of
family members who aren't soorganized, and we get frustrated
on all of those types of things.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So, yes, and I think
we need to go back to that
definition of what we're talkingabout now.
There's this huge movementright now of going back to
almost like that little house onthe prairie baking our own
bread and Living off the grid,living off the grid,
homeschooling, conspiracytheories and raw milk and all
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this stuff and honestly, I wouldlove to be able to immerse
myself that much and be thatdedicated to just having no
chemicals in my children's livesand all that stuff.
So this is not like, this isbad, but that's who.
This is what we're talkingabout now.
If you get onto Instagram, youknow exactly what we're talking
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about.
Yeah, it is a, it is a movement, it is a, a shift, a culture
shift.
That's happening.
And I just recently got calledlittle house on the prairie.
That someone said I had a.
What do you say?
I had a little house on theprairie vibe.
That's what I was told Littlehouse on the prairie.
I laughed so hard.
Um, I was.
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For me it was compliment, right, it wasn't.
It wasn't said as an insult,but I, I was a little taken back
by it and I just startedlaughing.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Personally I'm not
really I know people who are so
much more just like in it, youknow, and so right and again.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I just want to be
very clear that these things are
not bad enough themselves.
Yeah, like we just said, thethe Bible says that we're to be
these to take care of our homes,take care of our families and
all of these things.
However, let's go into a littlebit of the negative side.
Okay, so our previous pastorwould say there's a road and
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both sides of the road areditches and, generally speaking,
the right place to be is on theroad.
You don't want to be in theditch on one side or the other.
So let's say that one aspectthat could lead us into the
ditch of the home settingmovement or, you know, homemaker
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movement, is a bit of fear.
Okay, we want to be verycareful in any of our decision
making that it is not based onfear.
I'm trying out of fearespecially.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean living in fear
is a problem, but I have seen
parenting in fear and what thatlooks like and what the end
result can look like, and it'sjust something it seems in the
moment.
It seems like protection andyou should absolutely protect
your children.
Sending your kids to thehospital it seems like
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protection and you shouldabsolutely protect your children
.
Sending your kids to the wolvesis an opposite side of this,
the other side of the ditchright.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But then we also
cross over into having our kids
in this bubble where nothing canget to them, and it can become
this hyper fixation.
That is unsafe too, it'sproblematic.
So we can really really go toofar on one side with that or the
other.
We can also be very lax andvery lazy in our protection of
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our children, and that'ssomething that if you work with
children, you will see often,because there's no safeguards up
for many, many children.
So this movement of you knowour kids are our responsibility
and we need to take the bestcare of them that we can has its
roots in some really true andgood things, but the danger is
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sliding into that ditch of fear.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Your motive for why
is going to come into play,
especially as your kids getolder?
Why do we do this stuff?
Why don't we join in any sortof sports?
Why don't we do any sort of youknow, activities outside of our
farm, in our home?
So if you don't have thoseanswers and those answers are
just well, we don't like theseother people and what they agree
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with you might find a littlebit of pushback.
I mean, that's, it's yourmotive, can't just be because
we're afraid of what they'regoing to influence you with.
I often think of the verse thatsays so as arrows are in the
hand of a mighty man, so arechildren of the youth.
Okay, children of the youth arearrows in the hand of a mighty
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man.
An arrow is not meant to bekept in a quiver.
Actually, an arrow takes, atthat point in time in history,
an arrow would have taken a lotof great care to make it a
useful arrow.
And then it is aimed at atarget.
And then later on in thatchapter it says to speak with
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the enemy in the gate.
So if we are not effectivelyteaching and training and
putting our, our biblicalreasons for why we do what we do
into our children.
They're not going to be anysort of an arrow that you can
shoot at the enemy.
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If you're just putting them in abubble to be safe.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, and if you're
not.
And then opposite of it is, ifyou are not intentionally
raising them with so muchpurpose and with a plan like
both of those things can beineffective, Right.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You're just, if
you're just throwing them out
into the wolves, so to speak.
Still, you know that's not thegoal either.
So what is your motive?
And if that is, if your motiveis to raise, you know, godly,
biblically sound children, areyou doing that?
Are you investing the Bibleinto them?
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Like heart check, right, eitherway, you, it's the heart check.
And then also the motive ofkind of just like I would say
it's a selfish motive of I'mgoing to take care of me and
mine, and kind of like leteveryone else burn, type thing.
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You know what I mean.
Like I just I want to take careof me and mine.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yes, we do.
I do see a lot of.
So there's that beautifulaesthetic right, you're
scrolling through Instagram andyou see these like sweet mamas
and they're aprons and they'remaking their bread and it's
beautiful.
It is beautiful and I think itis way closer to the plan that
God has for us than many otherthings that you're going to see
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on social media.
But there is like a darker,like we are right and you are
wrong, us against them.
I'm going to gather my littlechicks underneath me like a hen
and protect them from everyoneand we don't care about other
people and we're not living outthe Great Commission and we're
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not being the light in the worldthat we're supposed to be,
because we're hiding our lightunder a bushel.
There is a danger of that.
There truly is, and this is allstuff I've had to like face
personally, like really questionmyself on and do a lot of these
heart checks, because, you know, we went from being a
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homeschool family to me workingfull time and having my kids in
school, and I had to face that.
Why am I doing this?
Am I?
Why was I homeschooling in thefirst place?
Why am I sending my kids?
Am I still?
Am I still living out the lifethat I believe God has for you
know, for me as a Christian andas a Christian mom and it's been
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hard.
It's been two years of a lot ofsoul searching and still, the
reason that I was able to gofrom homeschooling to working in
a Christian school personally,even though I loved
homeschooling so much wasbecause I realized that I had
goals for my kids and goals formy family and my calling wasn't
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necessarily homeschooling.
Now, some people, truly, it islike that's their calling and I
don't doubt that for them.
But in my life I knew that'snot necessarily what God had
called me to do.
God had called me to raise mykids set apart from the world
differently.
I know what I want for mychildren.
I know what I want theireducation to look like and I was
able to go into the schoolafter sitting down with the
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administration and stuff, liketalking to them, realizing that
their goals were the same as mygoals.
So I was able to like.
I was able to do that in goodconscience and there's been
times where it would be mucheasier to just be home with my
kids and I've had to sit and belike but is that what God has
for you.
Like, are you my?
All I want is just to have mykids home with me and, like you
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know, have that bubble aroundthem, and that wouldn't be wrong
, except for the fact thatthat's not where God's put me
right now, and right now, likeright now, I'm committed to
being a light in the world.
If I pulled back this yearwhere I've you know, I've
committed, I feel like thatwould be me hiding my light
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under a bushel.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Makes sense, right,
and I think that it's a personal
thing of looking at yourselfand being seeing.
Am I right, yeah, doing whatGod has called me to do, or am I
doing what I want to do?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right.
That, I think, is the biggestheart check in this movement
that we need to do as believersOkay.
So if you are a believer andyour motive for the whole
homestead thing is to kind ofjust draw away from the
wickedness of the world, okay,like I get it, 100%, I get it.
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I don't want to expose my kidsto the wickedness of the world
either.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
However, that doesn't
negate the command that we have
as believers to share thegospel and to share the truth of
God's word.
The world isn't going to getany better if the Christians
take and remove themselves fromthe world, and that's I mean
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obviously.
We know, at the end times evilmen and seducers will wax worse
and worse.
Right, but that nowhere in thatpassage does that say because
evil men and seducers are goingto wax worse and worse, you can
run and hide.
You know, as a believer, you'regoing to have the commission of
be the light.
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So we are called to be the saltand the light.
And Matthew, chapter five, saysyear the salt of the earth.
But if the salt has lost itssavor, wherewith shall it be
salted?
It is henceforth good fornothing but to be cast out and
to be trodden down underfoot.
Year the light of the world.
A city that is set on a hillcannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candleand put it under a bushel, but
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on a candle stick, and it givethlight unto all that are in the
house.
Let's so let your light soshine before men that they may
see your good works and glorifyyour father, which is in heaven.
And then I think another versethat's kind of relevant to this
is Matthew 1029.
It says and Jesus answered andsaid Verily, I say unto you,
there is no man that had lefthouse or brethren or sisters, or
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father or mother or wife orchildren or lands, for my sake
and the Gospels, but he shallreceive in a hundred fold, now
and this time, houses andbrethren and sister and mothers
and children and lands, withpersecutions and the world to
come, eternal life.
Okay, so that that last section, you know, we're so afraid of
losing.
I think one of the big motives,like we were talking about.
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If your motive is fear, we'reafraid of losing, afraid of
losing our kids were afraid oflosing our.
You put it in there.
What is your motive?
We're afraid of losing.
That went again.
When your motive is fear, itdoesn't produce good fruit.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, there's no fear
and love and perfect love
passed out fear.
So you're replacing good stufffrom God.
You're on your own agenda.
When you are living in fear andman, it's the easiest thing to
do.
I remember when my kids aretoddlers, babies, toddlers I had
to stop watching the newscompletely.
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It was just so much fear and itwould just consume me.
And I think you know, as parent, you are there.
You have to have like a there'sa God given caution inside of a
parent Right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
We're not saying just
throw caution to the wind and
go out and the only thing you dois proclaim the gospel and,
like we're not saying it again,the two sides of the ditch,
we're just saying be careful, becareful of your motivation, and
if you are so far removed fromsociety, society that you are
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not being a light, and I do notcount posting homemade bread
recipes on Instagram as being alight, and I don't think Jesus
does either.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, I think that we
that's something that I've had
to also heart check myself on,not so much now, but especially
when I was like staying homewith my kids and I wasn't out
very much like most of myoutings would be like the
grocery store or church.
I was like is my testimony, ismy witness, limited to what I
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post on social media?
That's problematic if it is,because that's not now.
There are seasons moms of youngchildren, there are seasons
where you are not going to beout door to door witnessing when
you have a baby and toddlersand stuff like that.
I am not shaming anyone who'sin that kind of a season, but at
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the same time, just be careful.
Like, what are you resting on?
That?
That's what I had to stopmyself.
Am I just resting on?
Oh, I posted a Bible versetoday, so I don't need to like
be sensitive to the Holy Spiritleading me to witness or to pray
with someone or, to you know,share the gospel with someone,
because I've done my duty rightby having a good image on social
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media.
I'm so odd because this wholemovement is so like on social
media.
On social media which is likethe opposite of what you would
think, because, you know, oldfashioned.
And then there's all the socialmedia stuff, yeah, and I love
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it, like it really is beautiful.
And I had to check myselfaround Christmas break.
I was doing a little bit toomuch scrolling and I was like I
just want to be home with mychildren and there again,
there's nothing, nothing,nothing, nothing wrong with that
.
But I don't always make the bestuse of my time.
To be honest, when I have notime to constraints on me, when
I have an unlimited schedule, Istruggle with doing things well
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at home when I have all day todo them and when I don't have
any type of fire underneath ofme from a schedule.
So I really think that's one ofthe reasons that God put this
work, this out in my life,because I have to be so much
more intentional about the timethat I do have at home, because
it's less, and I have to be morecareful that I am not just
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resting on you know, mychildren's teachers to be the
one sharing teaching, becausethey do have Bible or in a
Christian school they'relearning the Bible.
I have to be careful that I'mnot just like all over learning
at a school.
They don't need me as mom to be, to be teaching them, because
that's still my responsibilityand still my duty, and just
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because I work which, again, ifyou are working mom, I would
just.
I mean, look at the women in theBible.
Many, many, many of them hadvocations outside of the home
and many of the women who wereinvolved in Christ's ministry, I
mean they were able to followhim around.
They were sitting at homebaking sourdough.
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They were following Christ.
And so there's the place of theinside of the four walls of
your house.
Isn't necessarily your calling?
Following Christ hard inwhatever you have been called to
do is your calling Right?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I think the balance
is found when we love God and
love others, and how that playsout in our lives is going to be
different.
It's going to look differentfor each person because we're
all in a different area that Godhas placed us for an
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intentional purpose, and that isthe key.
So you know, the greatestcommandment isn't to take care
of your family as a mom, it's tolove God and then love others.
Does that include your family?
Absolutely it does, but it'snot limited to your family and
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you don't have to be out in afarm to seclude yourself.
I have just been convictedlately, like here, even on a
military base where I'msurrounded by people, it can be
me in my castle and, yeah, I seemy neighbors, but do I interact
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with my neighbors?
Like, yeah, there's little kidsrunning all over, but do they
see my home as a place that theycan come to and find the love
of Christ?
You know, coming through myhome To love people is to be
active in their life and youcannot remove yourself entirely
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in order to put a hedge ofprotection, as some would say,
like a hedge of protectionaround your family and try to
keep them safe.
It ultimately comes down to God.
The protection is from God andit's a matter of faith and it's
a matter of obedience to God andwhat he has for us.
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Our motive is key in all of this.
Not necessarily that any of itis wrong or bad we have gone
over this many times.
We don't believe that.
But your motive, what is yourmotive?
And be careful in your motive.
And also, it can just become asubject of idolatry Our families
we can literally put them on apedestal and worship our family.
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And the aesthetic and the ideaof the peaceful, just separate
living like it can literallybecome an idol in our life.
And this separation I have seenwhere this holiness and
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separation literally becomes anidol that you worship.
That's exactly what happenedwith the Pharisees.
They took God's law and put iton a higher pedestal than God
and worshiped the law above God.
And we have to be careful.
We cannot put traditions of man, even good ones, above the
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obedience of God.
And I also think of Esther andDaniel and these young people
who were in wicked heathennation, working in the palace
and being I mean, you can't getany more in the middle of the
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lions then than what Daniel was,but he was a young man when he
was taken.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's really easy to
live out your faith in a bubble.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Right and that's just
no good.
That's not what we're here for,that's not what we're called to
.
It's just and it just reallyends up backfiring.
Because you know, I've seenthis movement in my played out
in my life and I have seen itbackfire Multiple different
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families, multiple differentreasons, multiple different ways
, but I've seen the overall Iwant to protect me and mine
backfire hardcore.
So we have to be careful.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, the word, you
know, legalism gets thrown
around kind of a kind of alittle bit too loosely, I think.
But for sure, we definitely can.
We've definitely seen it playout and that that control of
what you, how you look, how youact, how you present yourself
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the heart ends up rottingbecause we're just focusing on
the outside and the aestheticthat we've talked about now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Listen, if you have a
beautiful aesthetic and your
news and you're like yourInstagram feed is all beautiful,
I'm jealous, I'm not hatingagain, I like take the spirit of
what we were, what we weresaying, and not don't like say,
oh well, she's against what I'mdoing, like that's not the point
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we're just gonna come to yourhouse for dinner.
Right, there's nothing wrong formaking your home beautiful and
making you know whateverbeautiful things like.
Obviously that's not what we'resaying.
We're just.
We're just trying to be helpfulreminder that you you have to
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take the command of God as abeliever first right.
Love God, do what God calls you, and we often forget that God
calls us to be the light and tobe the salt and to share the
gospel, going into all the worldand preach the gospel.
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That is our call, like firstand foremost, and you can be a
brand new believer.
You can be a young mother, youcan be a grandma, you can be a
single woman, you can be anybodyas a believer and share the
gospel.
That is our call, that is ourpurpose.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And if you're not
doing that, heart check I think
everything that we can do, wecan do for our glory or we can
do for God's glory, whetherthey're for the eat or drink or
make sourdough bread, we can.
We can do it for our glory orwe can do it for God's, and I
think that you can, and maybeyou're one of those people that
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wishes you could be.
Maybe you look at that and youhave this like envy of like I
don't have land, I live in thecity, I don't have my kids have
to go to school because I haveto work.
You know, like there's so manytimes where we look at that and
it's like it's not evenattainable for who we are.
Right now, I'm telling you, someof the moms, like as a teacher,
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some of the moms have been likethe biggest blessing to me,
work full-time, are so busy, butthey will drop off a coffee in
the morning and be like hey, Iwas thinking about you.
Or they will send me notes ofencouragement or no, or like
send me a message saying they'repraying for me, and often it's
the women who are the busiestoutside of their home, you know.
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So don't fall into the trap ofthinking that you aren't doing
enough if your late doesn't looklike somebody else's highlights
and just know that you canstill live a life that is very
biblical, very virtuous woman.
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You can be a virtuous womaneven if baking isn't your thing,
even if you just give your kidsTylenol when they have a
headache.
You know, and that's one herbalconcoction which I do, a
mixture of both, to be honest,like I.
So, again, not knocking anythat, just saying like you can.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The aesthetic is not
what pleases God right and so I
like that what you said there.
You know, we're eitherglorifying God or glorifying
ourselves perfect way to sum itup and wrap it up, and we can
just be reminded again.
We're not hating on nobody,mm-hmm, we're just given a
friendly reminder and we,honestly, I've needed it.
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I've been mulling over thisconcept for a little while and
I've been praying, and maybe youcan praise this prayer too.
God, show me how, in myneighborhood, the people that
I'm surrounded by now, if yousecluded yourself so far that
you don't have a neighborhood,maybe you, maybe you need to go
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a few miles, but that's not thathard to do, to be honest like
my like where is my?
would Judea, jerusalem and theuttermost parts of the earth
right go like where is your homebase and where do you need to
be that like?
God, show me how I can be thelight, yeah, how I can share the
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gospel with my neighbors likelegit and that might.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
That might look like
taking that homemade bread to
your neighbor, right?
Use your sourdough yeah, Iwould be super excited if
someone came up to my house.
I've never been able to dosourdough right, so I, I would
be all about that.
And and if you are that workingmom who's like man, I can't do
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all the things that these womenare doing, that's what I would
love to do.
Look at where you are.
Are you driving by Starbucks?
Pick up a Starbucks or someone?
Right, you know what I mean.
Get some coffee for somebody.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I mean it's,
it's creating relationships with
people so that you canintentionally share the gospel,
not not not seeing the lostpeople around you and not seeing
them as the enemy.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's a big thing
and we can't and we can't expect
our children to be servants ofGod and servants of others the
way that we are called to.
If they don't see it in ourlives right, they need to see us
living with that servant'sheart.
With that, I'm going to die tomyself and live outside of
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myself instead of I'm going tolive in my bubble.
They need to see that playedout because that's how they
learn and that's how they becomethe next generation of
followers of Christ, which is aservant.
They're not going to see thatif we're not purposely living
that out.
No matter what our homes looklike, no matter what our, our
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lifestyle is, are we living outour faith in their bones?
Looking at the heart of it,looking at the who?
Are we giving glory to a godand loving our neighbors?
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
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