October 2, 2024 • 30 mins
Yvonne Druyeh Dood, a life and business coach, explains how she learned to “operate in your strengths” without sacrificing personal well-being or falling into the martyrdom mindset often associated with passionate work. She shares how feedback helped her recognize the importance of integrity and alignment in her pursuits. Her approach, which integrates business strategy with a holistic understanding of personal values and strengths, supports entrepreneurs in achieving both professional success and personal fulfillment. Through her Authentic Hustle workshops, she emphasizes finding balance, operating with ease, and achieving sustainability in work and life.
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Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (00:01):
How I started out had to do with
making sure that I couldoperate in my strengths in a
way that did not require me tobe a martyr for the work that I
loved.
Troy Blaser (00:16):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Simply
Feedback, the podcast broughtto you by Learning Ridge . I'm
your host Troy Blaser and I amvery excited to introduce our
guest today, Yvonne DruyehDodd, a life and business
coach, also a yoga andmeditation guide, and a people
leader known for herheart-centered and data-driven
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approach. Yvonne is the founderof E-vi D Consulting where she
guides entrepreneurs andleaders from an embodied and
spiritual lens, facilitatingdeeper clarity, confidence, and
authenticity to create a lifeand business that is aligned,
abundant, and impactful. Withover 15 years of experience in
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startup, non-profit, andcorporate settings, she has
been featured in Voyage Atlantaand Hypepotamus and made
significant contributionsbuilding community for
entrepreneurs and serving onnon-profit boards. Yvonne,
welcome to Simply Feedback.
It's so great to have you withus.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (01:14):
Thank you so much, Troy. I'm really
excited to be here.
Troy Blaser (01:18):
I really enjoyed reading through your bio.
There's a lot of words in therethat just made me feel happy
and like I'm excited to talk toyou today. So maybe to help our
audience get to know you andhelp me get to know you just a
little bit more, can you tellus about a time that somebody
gave you feedback, maybe it wasfeedback that had a significant
impact on your life or yourcareer that marked a turning
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point for you. Is there a storyyou could share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (01:42):
Oh, yes.
And it's funny because feedbackis such a, it's not a touchy
subject, but it's one where,you know, you have, you have
some good moments and if youare a recovering perfectionist
like myself, you know, it'slike maybe we don't want to
always talk about that.
Troy Blaser (02:00):
Understood. Yes.
It can be a touchy subjectsometimes. Yeah.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (02:03):
Yeah, sometimes. And so I remember a
time when I was in college, anundergrad and I was a
psychology major and I hadinitially started out minoring
in business and I went toOglethorpe University, which is
a private school. And Iactually started working at 17
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the summer before going into myfreshman year where I was
working with a woman that ownedher own business. It was like
an asset management andconsulting firm. And I was
learning so much on the job.
And there were a lot moreinteresting classes than what
was in my business minor. And Ijust kind of was like, you know
what? Why don't we dive intosomething else that I might be
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more passionate about? And Ipersonally think there's a lot
more learning that happens onthe grad school level as well.
But anyway, I became really,really interested in the things
that I was reading related tosociology, women and gender
studies, African Americanpolitics and studies like that.
And at the time, we did nothave a major that was African
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American studies or socialpolitical issues that I was
interested in, in terms of theintersections of how it related
to the work I wanted to do withmy psych degree. And so I did
some research and figured out,okay, this is how we create a
major here, or you know, toeven have it as a minor. And so
I was doing all of this workand I'm one of the leaders on
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campus. I'm an ra, I'm on thedance team, I'm doing things
like that. And I'm in anAfrican American politics class
and one of my favoriteprofessors, Dr. King. And I was
just learning so much having afantastic time and it was so
fantastic that I was showing uplate regularly, consistently. I
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can't remember if it was anearly class or not,
Troy Blaser (03:55):
And it's probably not a very big class where you
could sort of sneak in and notget noticed, right?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (03:59):
Oh, no, definitely noticeable and Dr.
King pulled me aside and shewas like, Yvonne, what is going
on? Is there anything happeningoutside of this? And the answer
was no. I was just tardy. Andshe was like, you are a leader
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here and you are also workingto start the African American
Studies major. Where is yourintegrity? And I remember this
moment because I think I'vebeen lucky enough to have a lot
of great elders and parents andadults in my life that have
probably been giving me cluesabout things like this. But it
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was almost as if everythingreally came together when I
could understand that how youdo one thing is how you do
everything. You've gotta beable to show up in a way that
is aligned with your values andwhat you're trying to do. I
always think about that.
Troy Blaser (05:00):
I feel like that's one of those moments where if
it were in a movie, it would'vegone into slow motion. And
you're maybe having flashbacksin your head or something as
you hear that question of whereis your integrity? But I'm sure
that's probably something thatis seared into your memory as a
pivotal point for you.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (05:14):
Yeah, I think sometimes it's hard to
understand if we are actuallydoing the things that we want
to do or are going to do.
Right? Like where's theaccountability really?
Troy Blaser (05:25):
And here you are though, you're an undergraduate
in school, probably a prettyaverage young person. And now
all of a sudden it's thismoment of, okay, this is a
moment for me to grow up, tomature in a certain sense, to
make all of those connections,like, oh, how I'm showing up to
class is connected to theseother bigger goals than I have.
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The other thing I think is howgrateful we all are for
teachers who care.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (05:52):
Absolutely.
And that's why I don't want tobe surrounded by yes men. I
want people to let me know ifI'm not on point. And that's
why I think this podcast is soimportant because feedback is
so important. That directconversation and critique to
your point, is an act of love.
It's an act of care.
Troy Blaser (06:11):
Yeah, and you knew that when Dr. King pulls you
aside, there's some trust therealready. And so it's not where
you're going to put up a walland just say, I don't have to
pay attention to you. Butinstead you can say, oh, this
is from someone who reallycares about me. And maybe it's
time to look at my actions andmake a change if needed.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (06:27):
Yes.
Troy Blaser (06:27):
Well that is so cool. It's interesting because
it kind of leads me into mynext question. That was a
moment where is your integrity?
Are you being authentic toyourself, to your goals? I
wanted to ask you about theAuthentic Hustle series. I've
heard a little bit about it,read a little bit about it, but
can you share with us what thatis?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (06:47):
Yes. And it's really interesting because
I've been in business for over12 years now. And I remember
when it came to me, it'sinteresting talking about it
now because it feels like rightnow I'm birthing a newer
version of it in a sense. Butit , it's always been the same.
I think how I started out hadto do with making sure that I
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could operate in my strengthsin a way that did not require
me to be a martyr for the workthat I loved.
Troy Blaser (07:18):
Okay.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (07:18):
So as you were talking about in my
introduction, I've been innonprofit management, I've done
a lot of things and I , I thinkespecially coming from that
world in particular, but Ithink everybody can relate to
this, there's a lot of likesacrificing and suffering and
grinding that feels like, well,it's totally fine. You know,
because it's for a good cause.
Troy Blaser (07:41):
That makes sense.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (07:42):
Right. And so the authentic hustle is
about how do we be inintegrity, do work that really
aligns with our values and whowe are, and do it in a way that
is joyful and impactful andwith ease. Right? But the
hustle part is the work. All ofthose things are not
antithetical from working. AndI think in our culture and
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especially in Western culture,there's just a lot of focus on
the grind, on the hustle onthat solar energy, rather the
lunar energy of ease, recovery,rest, all the things that we
need to actually be creativeand be our best impactful
selves.
Troy Blaser (08:24):
So it's maybe kind of finding a balance. I mean,
hustle is still in there.
You're saying find the placewhere you're operating in your
strengths, where you're true toyour values and true to your
goals. But that doesn't meanthere's no work involved. There
is still work, but you want tobe doing the work that is in
alignment with your passion.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (08:42):
Yes, definitely. And I think also in
the work that I do through thatprogramming and the authentic
workshop series, we're talkingabout life and work. We are not
compartmentalizing, we are notseparating. Because usually we
are operating in a way wherethose things are always at
odds. But we are whole people,all of our businesses, all of
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our work, it's all made up ofpeople. It's not some sort of
separate entity. So we've gottabe able to operate in a way
that allows for our humanity tostill be there.
Troy Blaser (09:14):
I love that. So if I were an entrepreneur and I
signed up for the series forthe workshops, how is that
going to help me to achieve mygoals with my business?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (09:24):
Right. So I think one of the most important
aspects of it is oftentimes youget in business, everything is
very focused on the external.
Like, this is what I can do andthis is what we're doing. But
there isn't a lot of time spenton why am I doing this? What am
I actually good at? Right? Andso that is where I always
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start. You cannot be in alignedif you don't know who you are,
where you're starting from,what the overall vision is. But
oftentimes people start offwith this vision, but they
don't connect it to how it'sactually going to happen on the
ground or in a corporatesetting. How does this actually
connect to business goals andhow are we measuring it? Right?
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Where are accountabilitymeasures? How are we coming
back to it? It's a lot of that.
And I would say authentichustle of a lot of solar,
lunar, masculine, feminine,right? It's all the balance. We
all have to have both all thetime.
Troy Blaser (10:22):
That makes sense.
That feels like the way toreally get traction without
burning out.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (10:28):
Absolutely.
We use the term burning outjust to say when we're tired
oftentimes. Right? But I cantalk about this work a lot
because I've been through itmyself, right? And that point
of burnout is very, very, veryserious. Like we have gotten
signs and signals along the wayof, okay, there needs to be a
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pause or there needs to bewhatever. And so to that point,
I think it's important tounderstand that you have to go
slow to go fast. That is whatsustainability actually is. It
is more profitable when youstop and ask certain questions
first. Instead of just tryingto plow through because of an
arbitrary deadline.
Troy Blaser (11:09):
As I was getting ready for our interview today,
and I was reading one of yourblog posts where you were
talking about a reset that youwere doing for yourself, there
was one statement that reallystood out to me. You said in
there you realized that thethings taking up most of your
time were different from thespaces where you get to operate
in your strengths. And that onereally resonated for me. Like I
think all of us find ourselveswith certain tasks at work, or
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even in our personal liveswhere it's an easy thing to do.
So I default to it even thoughit's maybe not me operating in
my strength. You had found thatthat was happening too much for
you and you're like, okay, letme reset, let me step back. I
just really liked that idea.
The things taking up most ofyour time were different from
the spaces where you , you gotto operate in your strengths.
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And you had realized that thatwas out of balance
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (11:57):
And that , and that's the thing, it's like
it brought me to a level ofdepletion that I didn't notice
because I was so engaged in theactivities.
Troy Blaser (12:04):
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. So what are some of the
common challenges that yourclients face when it comes to
branding themselvesauthentically?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (12:13):
Right. So I , I feel like there is a
branding component to this andthat really has to do with
integrity. What happens isthere's an issue with sales,
there's an issue withmarketing, there's an issue
with burnout and timemanagement and things like
that. And it's typically comingdown to not being able to
clearly articulate who theyare, who their audience is. It
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doesn't matter if you've beenin business for three years or
10 years. It's really, reallyimportant to check these types
of things. To not engage inefforts or products or services
that are not actually alignedwith what you want to be doing.
So like oftentimes it'ssomething that we can't really
see, but the symptoms areyou're hitting a wall at a
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certain point in your revenue,or you're terrified of
marketing doing itsporadically. Or you don't have
community, or you are notdelegating, or you are
constantly feeling like ahamster on a wheel and not able
to spend time with family oractually stop and enjoy
yourself. Or you haven't goneto the doctor, you're running
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your body into the ground.
You're tired. Like, yeah.
Troy Blaser (13:25):
This is fascinating to me because I'm
having all kinds of thoughtsabout my own life, my own
career, my company where Iwork, and trying to figure out,
okay, does this apply to me? Orhow does it apply to me? And I
love this. So if you're workingwith a client, maybe that
client realizes I am out ofbalance. I'm working in a way
that's not authentic to myself.
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How do you help them arrive atthat conclusion but then have
the confidence that's neededmaybe to make a significant
career change? Can that be achallenge for some of your
clients?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (13:56):
Yes.
Sometimes people come to ourcoach and they're like, okay,
great. What am I supposed to bedoing? Yeah. And it's really
important to understand ifyou're coming to somebody like
me, you're not going to get achecklist and then go do it.
Right. Because if it were abouta checklist, it would've
already been done. And so whatwe are uncovering as we're
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going through each area of yourlife and your work is
understanding what are theactual mindset roadblocks and
barriers. Because oftentimes weare getting in the way of
ourselves and we just can'treally see exactly how we're
doing it. And so to be able tobe in a safe nonjudgmental
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space, I don't have an agenda.
I'm not somebody's partner. I'mnot somebody's friend. Right.
Like it's that kind of spacewhere you can really hear
yourself, I share myobservations, I share my
intuition, but you're able toactually uncover like, oh, this
is the thing. And being able touncover that helps you begin to
untangle it objectively. Andthen we can understand, okay,
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that's not actually aligned.
This thing has been here thiswhole time,
Troy Blaser (15:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (15:12):
Yeah. It's an intuitive, organic process,
but it takes a certain kind ofpresence and listening to be
like, boom, this is what'shappening. This is what's
really going on.
Troy Blaser (15:24):
So you're coming as a coach to help somebody
maybe better understand whatbarriers are in place or help
them uncover for themselveswhat barriers might be in
place. You're not coming in tosay, here's the checklist of
stuff and if you do this, thenyou're going to take off in the
direction, but the former.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (15:41):
Exactly.
Because like you can go read abook and you can do that,
right? But oftentimes we readthe book and we don't do it.
And so it's because of thoseinner things. And once you
understand that thing, then wecan create the plan and the
checklist that goes with it.
Troy Blaser (15:59):
It sort of almost becomes clear on its own once
you understand what theobstacle is.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (16:04):
Exactly.
But oftentimes people are notable to give themselves the
space enough to ask those kindsof questions, right. So yes, I
am a coach and we're uncoveringthe answers within, but I also
know a lot of things becauseI've been in so many industries
and I have so much experienceas well, right. So that also
helps.
Troy Blaser (16:23):
I wonder, is there a story you can share with us?
Maybe you've been working withsomeone and you've given them
some feedback and they've beenable to make that inflection in
their career or in their life?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (16:34):
Yes. I had someone come to me because they
were about to have this bigopportunity where a project
they were doing had a lot ofsupport by a really big
publishing company. And so itwas going to take off. And so
they were like, I need a plan.
And I have something called aclarity session. It's just like
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an hour pointed focus. And soI'm asking questions, we're
talking about the thing, and Irealized they already have a
plan. I was like, you'll beready. You could just do X, Y,
and Z. So what's reallyhappening here? And so we kept
uncovering, uncovering and itturned out that it was about
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visibility and they wereterrified of actually being
seen and being out andpromoting the things that they
were going to be promoting onanother level. And I think it's
really important to share thisstory in particular because
that is one of the most commonthings for everyone, honestly.
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And people don't realize thatthat is what they're running
away from. And when I talkabout being visible, everything
about your work and yourbusiness is about you saying,
hello fellow humans, I havethis offering. It was really
big for this person in the wayhow we uncovered it because
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then they realized , "oh, Ihave all this other deeper work
that I need to be doing. It'snot about having a plan because
I am actually organized".
Right.
Troy Blaser (18:11):
Yeah. Getting comfortable enough to allow the
plan to work can be a veryscary thing.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (18:16):
Yes. And so oftentimes people will just
say, "I need a social mediacontent strategy", but they
won't actually execute onpublicizing the social media.
Right. We have to uncover whatis the actual thing. Or people
will spend all their time onmarketing. There could just be
a variety of things. Or evenuncovering aspects around
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boundary setting, for example.
Like, will you say I need thistime for X instead of giving it
away and never working on thethings that you need to work
on.
Troy Blaser (18:47):
Does that go back to what you had said earlier
about being a martyr and notoperating in the spaces where
you are strongest?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (18:57):
Yes. There are a few things here. There's
this idea, and this actually isprominent in a lot of different
cultures. Right. So it's notjust western culture or the
Protestant work ethic inparticular. Right. My family's
from Ghana or West African,which is very similar to like
Korean and Chinese culture aswell in some respects of just
like , you gotta work hard andbe disciplined and it's gotta
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hurt, you know? Like sometimes.
Right. So, I just want to addthat there's this thing where
we feel like no pain, no gain,but we take it to an extreme
when it comes to working,especially if you're someone
that maybe got away from atoxic workplace or a toxic
boss, you might become thetoxic boss yourself to yourself
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and make things harder thanthey have to be. Or not give
your space enough to, like Isaid, set the boundaries. Work
in a way that works for you.
Those little tiny things makeall of the difference in terms
of your success.
Troy Blaser (19:52):
If your motto is no pain, no gain, then maybe
you're going to be out findingpainful things to do because
you think that's going to bethe way to get ahead.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:01):
Exactly.
Over complicating things. Andthen another aspect of it is,
well, if I enjoy doing this,typically the things that we
enjoy doing are easy for us.
Right? Then we feel likesomething is wrong.
Troy Blaser (20:15):
Oh yeah. Yeah. "I really like doing this thing.
And so it's easy and that mustbe wrong". I, I can see what
you mean there. Yeah. Well,Yvonne, what is something in
your daily routine that setsyou up for success?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:29):
I would say on the days where I have
meditated and also done yoga, Ihesitate to say this. because
it sounds like, you know, Iwake up at 4:00 AM and I do
this and this, you know.
Troy Blaser (20:42):
And now you're back to no pain, no gain,
right?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:45):
Right. But in times that have been just
really intense, making sure Itake walks every time there's
like a 10 or 15 minute breakand getting outside, that
really sets me up.
Troy Blaser (20:56):
I love that. That is fantastic for you, it's also
fantastic advice. The idea thatmaking sure to take the time
that you need for yourself tofind that peace , to clear your
mind, find that clarity. Itmakes you so much more
effective throughout the dayfor everything else that needs
to happen.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:12):
Absolutely.
Troy Blaser (21:13):
I love that. Is there a time, maybe a story you
can share with us, whensomething didn't go right for
you , a time, you know, maybewhen a project failed or
something failed where you, youwere able to learn a lesson
from that? Is there aninteresting story there that
you could share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:29):
I used to work for a transitional housing
program for homeless families.
Troy Blaser (21:34):
Okay.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:35):
And my job literally combined five other
jobs after the 2008 recession.
Troy Blaser (21:41):
Oh, yes. Yes .
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:43):
I always wanted to do things that were a
little innovative when it cameto bringing more people into
our cause and helping differenttypes of people. Be aware. I
met a playwright and he hadwritten a play about
homelessness and in like threeweeks we put on a fundraiser to
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publicize this and to give apreview of the show, we found
an amazing theater that gave usa thing for free. And we
actually, we didn't charge fortickets, we just said
donations, learned thingsthere. But the house was packed
and it was fantastic. It wasreally, really wonderful. And
so we were like, okay, let'skeep working together. Right.
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Because we were bringing in allkinds of people and really
raising awareness. And so I wasexcited to do that again. And I
had done plenty of otherfundraisers before, but this is
still early in my career. And Iremember the original venue
that we wanted to have had allof the setup and everything,
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but they were asking for Ibelieve maybe $1200 or $1500.
And that was like so much moneyto us. And we were like, "oh
no, we're not going to dothat". And so we figured out a
place where they could dorehearsal cheap. And then so
we're putting on this show andby the time we are ready for
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this show, people are not quiteready because they were
different things that fellthrough. Some people couldn't
show up to rehearsals. We hadto pay for a last minute thing
with the sound people. So allof these things come up and it
is terrible. Like it is aterrible, terrible show. People
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are leaving halfway through.
Like what. But like the end wasgood. It came together and we
were like, alright. And so inthe end, in terms of what we
raised, we raised some money,but we pretty much broke even.
And I was so embarrassed and Iwas just like, "oh, this is
such a waste of time". Becauseit , it was so much effort. And
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had we just paid that initial$1200 or $1500, we would not
have had to deal with any ofthat.
Troy Blaser (24:03):
Oh my goodness.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (24:05):
We would've had everything that we needed
and we would've been at a venuethat was more reputable and
closer in town. And I alsolearned some things about my
own leadership there becausethe person I was working with,
they were more a visionary andcreative and I needed to speak
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up in certain instances where Iprobably had strengths and just
kind of allowed them to takeover because they're also very
organized and they could getthings done. So I also learned
a little bit about that andjust taking charge and making
decisions a little bit betteras well.
Troy Blaser (24:42):
Recognizing that you should maybe pay attention
to what your instinct wassaying and overcoming maybe
that reticence to speak up.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (24:49):
Exactly.
It's so interesting. This isrelated and it's actually a
really important lesson for me.
But I remember there was goingto be a board meeting to talk
about the event. And I was sonervous because I was like, the
feedback's going to beterrible. And I actually was
learning a lot about meditationand manifestation and
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visualization and things likethat. And I spent like the 15
minutes before the meetingmeditating and having an
affirmation, like I'm supportedin each action I take and my
path unfolds with ease. And Iremember picturing board
members thanking me and thatboard meeting was the opposite
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of what I thought it was. Andthey were actually saying like,
we know this didn't go the waythat maybe we thought it would.
However we commend you fordoing innovative and
interesting things and gettingnew people here. And I was
like, "oh, I would've neverexpected that". So that was the
power of setting tensionsbefore you go into spaces with
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people.
Troy Blaser (25:52):
Well, I wanted to ask kind of more currently for
you, is there a project orsomething that you're doing
right now that you'repassionate about that you could
share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (26:01):
Yeah.
Something that I just launchedthat I'm really, really excited
about with my business bestie,Rebecca Van Damm. We have a
workshop series called Rhythmand Ritual, and it's a six week
series designed to helpentrepreneurs with a supportive
and sustainable workflow fortheir business, body and
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spirit. What we're basicallytrying to help people do is
understand how to shift fromscattered and stress to easeful
and effective.
Troy Blaser (26:31):
I love that. It feels like a theme we come back
to a few different times duringour conversation is balance.
Even just in the title rhythmand ritual, there's a focus in
there of the concept of beingeffective and getting the work
done, but doing it in a waythat there's rhythm to it,
there's ease, like you said,even ease and effectiveness.
We're still accomplishingthings, but it's not, it
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doesn't have to be painful. Itdoesn't have to be out of
balance.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (26:55):
No. And another thing that I'd like to
add is everything that I'mtalking about, I think we
associate the, "oh, this couldbe easy, this could be fun". We
associate it with some sort offluffiness pie in the sky. It
has those kind of connotations.
And the work that I do is aboutoperationalizing integrity.
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It's like how do we put that inyour strategic plan? How do we
put that in our KPIs andmeasures of success? Because
that's what's going to elevateyour people, keeping them
connected and grounded in that.
That's the energy you need toactually have the creativity
and innovation that you'relooking for.
Troy Blaser (27:33):
I love that. It sounds exciting. It sounds like
it would be an an interestingseries, but then just
fascinating concepts to learnand to figure out how to apply
in my business or in thebusiness of whomever is
participating. I think that'sgreat.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (27:47):
Absolutely.
And I just want to add, I'vemanaged everywhere from a team
of one to a team of 12 and 14,and this is the same thing that
I brought in my corporatesettings as well. It fits
everywhere. It's for all of us.
Troy Blaser (28:01):
So if somebody's interested in the workshop or
if they're interested in justeven wanting to know more to
continue the conversation withyou, how do they get in touch
or find out more?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (28:10):
Yeah, so my website is. And also I'm on
Instagram and LinkedIn andFacebook as well.
Troy Blaser (28:18):
Fantastic. Well, Yvonne , thank you so much for
your time today. I've reallyenjoyed this conversation.
Interesting ways to think aboutthings in my personal life, in
my work life. Thank you so muchfor your time today. I
appreciate it.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (28:30):
You're welcome. Thank you so much for
having me.
How I started out had to do with
making sure that I couldoperate in my strengths in a
way that did not require me tobe a martyr for the work that I
loved.
Troy Blaser (00:16):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Simply
Feedback, the podcast broughtto you by Learning Ridge . I'm
your host Troy Blaser and I amvery excited to introduce our
guest today, Yvonne DruyehDodd, a life and business
coach, also a yoga andmeditation guide, and a people
leader known for herheart-centered and data-driven
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approach. Yvonne is the founderof E-vi D Consulting where she
guides entrepreneurs andleaders from an embodied and
spiritual lens, facilitatingdeeper clarity, confidence, and
authenticity to create a lifeand business that is aligned,
abundant, and impactful. Withover 15 years of experience in
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startup, non-profit, andcorporate settings, she has
been featured in Voyage Atlantaand Hypepotamus and made
significant contributionsbuilding community for
entrepreneurs and serving onnon-profit boards. Yvonne,
welcome to Simply Feedback.
It's so great to have you withus.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (01:14):
Thank you so much, Troy. I'm really
excited to be here.
Troy Blaser (01:18):
I really enjoyed reading through your bio.
There's a lot of words in therethat just made me feel happy
and like I'm excited to talk toyou today. So maybe to help our
audience get to know you andhelp me get to know you just a
little bit more, can you tellus about a time that somebody
gave you feedback, maybe it wasfeedback that had a significant
impact on your life or yourcareer that marked a turning
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point for you. Is there a storyyou could share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (01:42):
Oh, yes.
And it's funny because feedbackis such a, it's not a touchy
subject, but it's one where,you know, you have, you have
some good moments and if youare a recovering perfectionist
like myself, you know, it'slike maybe we don't want to
always talk about that.
Troy Blaser (02:00):
Understood. Yes.
It can be a touchy subjectsometimes. Yeah.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (02:03):
Yeah, sometimes. And so I remember a
time when I was in college, anundergrad and I was a
psychology major and I hadinitially started out minoring
in business and I went toOglethorpe University, which is
a private school. And Iactually started working at 17
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the summer before going into myfreshman year where I was
working with a woman that ownedher own business. It was like
an asset management andconsulting firm. And I was
learning so much on the job.
And there were a lot moreinteresting classes than what
was in my business minor. And Ijust kind of was like, you know
what? Why don't we dive intosomething else that I might be
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more passionate about? And Ipersonally think there's a lot
more learning that happens onthe grad school level as well.
But anyway, I became really,really interested in the things
that I was reading related tosociology, women and gender
studies, African Americanpolitics and studies like that.
And at the time, we did nothave a major that was African
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American studies or socialpolitical issues that I was
interested in, in terms of theintersections of how it related
to the work I wanted to do withmy psych degree. And so I did
some research and figured out,okay, this is how we create a
major here, or you know, toeven have it as a minor. And so
I was doing all of this workand I'm one of the leaders on
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campus. I'm an ra, I'm on thedance team, I'm doing things
like that. And I'm in anAfrican American politics class
and one of my favoriteprofessors, Dr. King. And I was
just learning so much having afantastic time and it was so
fantastic that I was showing uplate regularly, consistently. I
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can't remember if it was anearly class or not,
Troy Blaser (03:55):
And it's probably not a very big class where you
could sort of sneak in and notget noticed, right?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (03:59):
Oh, no, definitely noticeable and Dr.
King pulled me aside and shewas like, Yvonne, what is going
on? Is there anything happeningoutside of this? And the answer
was no. I was just tardy. Andshe was like, you are a leader
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here and you are also workingto start the African American
Studies major. Where is yourintegrity? And I remember this
moment because I think I'vebeen lucky enough to have a lot
of great elders and parents andadults in my life that have
probably been giving me cluesabout things like this. But it
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was almost as if everythingreally came together when I
could understand that how youdo one thing is how you do
everything. You've gotta beable to show up in a way that
is aligned with your values andwhat you're trying to do. I
always think about that.
Troy Blaser (05:00):
I feel like that's one of those moments where if
it were in a movie, it would'vegone into slow motion. And
you're maybe having flashbacksin your head or something as
you hear that question of whereis your integrity? But I'm sure
that's probably something thatis seared into your memory as a
pivotal point for you.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (05:14):
Yeah, I think sometimes it's hard to
understand if we are actuallydoing the things that we want
to do or are going to do.
Right? Like where's theaccountability really?
Troy Blaser (05:25):
And here you are though, you're an undergraduate
in school, probably a prettyaverage young person. And now
all of a sudden it's thismoment of, okay, this is a
moment for me to grow up, tomature in a certain sense, to
make all of those connections,like, oh, how I'm showing up to
class is connected to theseother bigger goals than I have.
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The other thing I think is howgrateful we all are for
teachers who care.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (05:52):
Absolutely.
And that's why I don't want tobe surrounded by yes men. I
want people to let me know ifI'm not on point. And that's
why I think this podcast is soimportant because feedback is
so important. That directconversation and critique to
your point, is an act of love.
It's an act of care.
Troy Blaser (06:11):
Yeah, and you knew that when Dr. King pulls you
aside, there's some trust therealready. And so it's not where
you're going to put up a walland just say, I don't have to
pay attention to you. Butinstead you can say, oh, this
is from someone who reallycares about me. And maybe it's
time to look at my actions andmake a change if needed.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (06:27):
Yes.
Troy Blaser (06:27):
Well that is so cool. It's interesting because
it kind of leads me into mynext question. That was a
moment where is your integrity?
Are you being authentic toyourself, to your goals? I
wanted to ask you about theAuthentic Hustle series. I've
heard a little bit about it,read a little bit about it, but
can you share with us what thatis?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (06:47):
Yes. And it's really interesting because
I've been in business for over12 years now. And I remember
when it came to me, it'sinteresting talking about it
now because it feels like rightnow I'm birthing a newer
version of it in a sense. Butit , it's always been the same.
I think how I started out hadto do with making sure that I
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could operate in my strengthsin a way that did not require
me to be a martyr for the workthat I loved.
Troy Blaser (07:18):
Okay.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (07:18):
So as you were talking about in my
introduction, I've been innonprofit management, I've done
a lot of things and I , I thinkespecially coming from that
world in particular, but Ithink everybody can relate to
this, there's a lot of likesacrificing and suffering and
grinding that feels like, well,it's totally fine. You know,
because it's for a good cause.
Troy Blaser (07:41):
That makes sense.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (07:42):
Right. And so the authentic hustle is
about how do we be inintegrity, do work that really
aligns with our values and whowe are, and do it in a way that
is joyful and impactful andwith ease. Right? But the
hustle part is the work. All ofthose things are not
antithetical from working. AndI think in our culture and
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especially in Western culture,there's just a lot of focus on
the grind, on the hustle onthat solar energy, rather the
lunar energy of ease, recovery,rest, all the things that we
need to actually be creativeand be our best impactful
selves.
Troy Blaser (08:24):
So it's maybe kind of finding a balance. I mean,
hustle is still in there.
You're saying find the placewhere you're operating in your
strengths, where you're true toyour values and true to your
goals. But that doesn't meanthere's no work involved. There
is still work, but you want tobe doing the work that is in
alignment with your passion.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (08:42):
Yes, definitely. And I think also in
the work that I do through thatprogramming and the authentic
workshop series, we're talkingabout life and work. We are not
compartmentalizing, we are notseparating. Because usually we
are operating in a way wherethose things are always at
odds. But we are whole people,all of our businesses, all of
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our work, it's all made up ofpeople. It's not some sort of
separate entity. So we've gottabe able to operate in a way
that allows for our humanity tostill be there.
Troy Blaser (09:14):
I love that. So if I were an entrepreneur and I
signed up for the series forthe workshops, how is that
going to help me to achieve mygoals with my business?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (09:24):
Right. So I think one of the most important
aspects of it is oftentimes youget in business, everything is
very focused on the external.
Like, this is what I can do andthis is what we're doing. But
there isn't a lot of time spenton why am I doing this? What am
I actually good at? Right? Andso that is where I always
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start. You cannot be in alignedif you don't know who you are,
where you're starting from,what the overall vision is. But
oftentimes people start offwith this vision, but they
don't connect it to how it'sactually going to happen on the
ground or in a corporatesetting. How does this actually
connect to business goals andhow are we measuring it? Right?
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Where are accountabilitymeasures? How are we coming
back to it? It's a lot of that.
And I would say authentichustle of a lot of solar,
lunar, masculine, feminine,right? It's all the balance. We
all have to have both all thetime.
Troy Blaser (10:22):
That makes sense.
That feels like the way toreally get traction without
burning out.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (10:28):
Absolutely.
We use the term burning outjust to say when we're tired
oftentimes. Right? But I cantalk about this work a lot
because I've been through itmyself, right? And that point
of burnout is very, very, veryserious. Like we have gotten
signs and signals along the wayof, okay, there needs to be a
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pause or there needs to bewhatever. And so to that point,
I think it's important tounderstand that you have to go
slow to go fast. That is whatsustainability actually is. It
is more profitable when youstop and ask certain questions
first. Instead of just tryingto plow through because of an
arbitrary deadline.
Troy Blaser (11:09):
As I was getting ready for our interview today,
and I was reading one of yourblog posts where you were
talking about a reset that youwere doing for yourself, there
was one statement that reallystood out to me. You said in
there you realized that thethings taking up most of your
time were different from thespaces where you get to operate
in your strengths. And that onereally resonated for me. Like I
think all of us find ourselveswith certain tasks at work, or
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even in our personal liveswhere it's an easy thing to do.
So I default to it even thoughit's maybe not me operating in
my strength. You had found thatthat was happening too much for
you and you're like, okay, letme reset, let me step back. I
just really liked that idea.
The things taking up most ofyour time were different from
the spaces where you , you gotto operate in your strengths.
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And you had realized that thatwas out of balance
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (11:57):
And that , and that's the thing, it's like
it brought me to a level ofdepletion that I didn't notice
because I was so engaged in theactivities.
Troy Blaser (12:04):
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. So what are some of the
common challenges that yourclients face when it comes to
branding themselvesauthentically?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (12:13):
Right. So I , I feel like there is a
branding component to this andthat really has to do with
integrity. What happens isthere's an issue with sales,
there's an issue withmarketing, there's an issue
with burnout and timemanagement and things like
that. And it's typically comingdown to not being able to
clearly articulate who theyare, who their audience is. It
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doesn't matter if you've beenin business for three years or
10 years. It's really, reallyimportant to check these types
of things. To not engage inefforts or products or services
that are not actually alignedwith what you want to be doing.
So like oftentimes it'ssomething that we can't really
see, but the symptoms areyou're hitting a wall at a
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certain point in your revenue,or you're terrified of
marketing doing itsporadically. Or you don't have
community, or you are notdelegating, or you are
constantly feeling like ahamster on a wheel and not able
to spend time with family oractually stop and enjoy
yourself. Or you haven't goneto the doctor, you're running
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your body into the ground.
You're tired. Like, yeah.
Troy Blaser (13:25):
This is fascinating to me because I'm
having all kinds of thoughtsabout my own life, my own
career, my company where Iwork, and trying to figure out,
okay, does this apply to me? Orhow does it apply to me? And I
love this. So if you're workingwith a client, maybe that
client realizes I am out ofbalance. I'm working in a way
that's not authentic to myself.
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How do you help them arrive atthat conclusion but then have
the confidence that's neededmaybe to make a significant
career change? Can that be achallenge for some of your
clients?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (13:56):
Yes.
Sometimes people come to ourcoach and they're like, okay,
great. What am I supposed to bedoing? Yeah. And it's really
important to understand ifyou're coming to somebody like
me, you're not going to get achecklist and then go do it.
Right. Because if it were abouta checklist, it would've
already been done. And so whatwe are uncovering as we're
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going through each area of yourlife and your work is
understanding what are theactual mindset roadblocks and
barriers. Because oftentimes weare getting in the way of
ourselves and we just can'treally see exactly how we're
doing it. And so to be able tobe in a safe nonjudgmental
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space, I don't have an agenda.
I'm not somebody's partner. I'mnot somebody's friend. Right.
Like it's that kind of spacewhere you can really hear
yourself, I share myobservations, I share my
intuition, but you're able toactually uncover like, oh, this
is the thing. And being able touncover that helps you begin to
untangle it objectively. Andthen we can understand, okay,
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that's not actually aligned.
This thing has been here thiswhole time,
Troy Blaser (15:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (15:12):
Yeah. It's an intuitive, organic process,
but it takes a certain kind ofpresence and listening to be
like, boom, this is what'shappening. This is what's
really going on.
Troy Blaser (15:24):
So you're coming as a coach to help somebody
maybe better understand whatbarriers are in place or help
them uncover for themselveswhat barriers might be in
place. You're not coming in tosay, here's the checklist of
stuff and if you do this, thenyou're going to take off in the
direction, but the former.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (15:41):
Exactly.
Because like you can go read abook and you can do that,
right? But oftentimes we readthe book and we don't do it.
And so it's because of thoseinner things. And once you
understand that thing, then wecan create the plan and the
checklist that goes with it.
Troy Blaser (15:59):
It sort of almost becomes clear on its own once
you understand what theobstacle is.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (16:04):
Exactly.
But oftentimes people are notable to give themselves the
space enough to ask those kindsof questions, right. So yes, I
am a coach and we're uncoveringthe answers within, but I also
know a lot of things becauseI've been in so many industries
and I have so much experienceas well, right. So that also
helps.
Troy Blaser (16:23):
I wonder, is there a story you can share with us?
Maybe you've been working withsomeone and you've given them
some feedback and they've beenable to make that inflection in
their career or in their life?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (16:34):
Yes. I had someone come to me because they
were about to have this bigopportunity where a project
they were doing had a lot ofsupport by a really big
publishing company. And so itwas going to take off. And so
they were like, I need a plan.
And I have something called aclarity session. It's just like
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an hour pointed focus. And soI'm asking questions, we're
talking about the thing, and Irealized they already have a
plan. I was like, you'll beready. You could just do X, Y,
and Z. So what's reallyhappening here? And so we kept
uncovering, uncovering and itturned out that it was about
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visibility and they wereterrified of actually being
seen and being out andpromoting the things that they
were going to be promoting onanother level. And I think it's
really important to share thisstory in particular because
that is one of the most commonthings for everyone, honestly.
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And people don't realize thatthat is what they're running
away from. And when I talkabout being visible, everything
about your work and yourbusiness is about you saying,
hello fellow humans, I havethis offering. It was really
big for this person in the wayhow we uncovered it because
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then they realized , "oh, Ihave all this other deeper work
that I need to be doing. It'snot about having a plan because
I am actually organized".
Right.
Troy Blaser (18:11):
Yeah. Getting comfortable enough to allow the
plan to work can be a veryscary thing.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (18:16):
Yes. And so oftentimes people will just
say, "I need a social mediacontent strategy", but they
won't actually execute onpublicizing the social media.
Right. We have to uncover whatis the actual thing. Or people
will spend all their time onmarketing. There could just be
a variety of things. Or evenuncovering aspects around
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boundary setting, for example.
Like, will you say I need thistime for X instead of giving it
away and never working on thethings that you need to work
on.
Troy Blaser (18:47):
Does that go back to what you had said earlier
about being a martyr and notoperating in the spaces where
you are strongest?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (18:57):
Yes. There are a few things here. There's
this idea, and this actually isprominent in a lot of different
cultures. Right. So it's notjust western culture or the
Protestant work ethic inparticular. Right. My family's
from Ghana or West African,which is very similar to like
Korean and Chinese culture aswell in some respects of just
like , you gotta work hard andbe disciplined and it's gotta
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hurt, you know? Like sometimes.
Right. So, I just want to addthat there's this thing where
we feel like no pain, no gain,but we take it to an extreme
when it comes to working,especially if you're someone
that maybe got away from atoxic workplace or a toxic
boss, you might become thetoxic boss yourself to yourself
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and make things harder thanthey have to be. Or not give
your space enough to, like Isaid, set the boundaries. Work
in a way that works for you.
Those little tiny things makeall of the difference in terms
of your success.
Troy Blaser (19:52):
If your motto is no pain, no gain, then maybe
you're going to be out findingpainful things to do because
you think that's going to bethe way to get ahead.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:01):
Exactly.
Over complicating things. Andthen another aspect of it is,
well, if I enjoy doing this,typically the things that we
enjoy doing are easy for us.
Right? Then we feel likesomething is wrong.
Troy Blaser (20:15):
Oh yeah. Yeah. "I really like doing this thing.
And so it's easy and that mustbe wrong". I, I can see what
you mean there. Yeah. Well,Yvonne, what is something in
your daily routine that setsyou up for success?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:29):
I would say on the days where I have
meditated and also done yoga, Ihesitate to say this. because
it sounds like, you know, Iwake up at 4:00 AM and I do
this and this, you know.
Troy Blaser (20:42):
And now you're back to no pain, no gain,
right?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (20:45):
Right. But in times that have been just
really intense, making sure Itake walks every time there's
like a 10 or 15 minute breakand getting outside, that
really sets me up.
Troy Blaser (20:56):
I love that. That is fantastic for you, it's also
fantastic advice. The idea thatmaking sure to take the time
that you need for yourself tofind that peace , to clear your
mind, find that clarity. Itmakes you so much more
effective throughout the dayfor everything else that needs
to happen.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:12):
Absolutely.
Troy Blaser (21:13):
I love that. Is there a time, maybe a story you
can share with us, whensomething didn't go right for
you , a time, you know, maybewhen a project failed or
something failed where you, youwere able to learn a lesson
from that? Is there aninteresting story there that
you could share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:29):
I used to work for a transitional housing
program for homeless families.
Troy Blaser (21:34):
Okay.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:35):
And my job literally combined five other
jobs after the 2008 recession.
Troy Blaser (21:41):
Oh, yes. Yes .
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (21:43):
I always wanted to do things that were a
little innovative when it cameto bringing more people into
our cause and helping differenttypes of people. Be aware. I
met a playwright and he hadwritten a play about
homelessness and in like threeweeks we put on a fundraiser to
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publicize this and to give apreview of the show, we found
an amazing theater that gave usa thing for free. And we
actually, we didn't charge fortickets, we just said
donations, learned thingsthere. But the house was packed
and it was fantastic. It wasreally, really wonderful. And
so we were like, okay, let'skeep working together. Right.
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Because we were bringing in allkinds of people and really
raising awareness. And so I wasexcited to do that again. And I
had done plenty of otherfundraisers before, but this is
still early in my career. And Iremember the original venue
that we wanted to have had allof the setup and everything,
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but they were asking for Ibelieve maybe $1200 or $1500.
And that was like so much moneyto us. And we were like, "oh
no, we're not going to dothat". And so we figured out a
place where they could dorehearsal cheap. And then so
we're putting on this show andby the time we are ready for
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this show, people are not quiteready because they were
different things that fellthrough. Some people couldn't
show up to rehearsals. We hadto pay for a last minute thing
with the sound people. So allof these things come up and it
is terrible. Like it is aterrible, terrible show. People
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are leaving halfway through.
Like what. But like the end wasgood. It came together and we
were like, alright. And so inthe end, in terms of what we
raised, we raised some money,but we pretty much broke even.
And I was so embarrassed and Iwas just like, "oh, this is
such a waste of time". Becauseit , it was so much effort. And
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had we just paid that initial$1200 or $1500, we would not
have had to deal with any ofthat.
Troy Blaser (24:03):
Oh my goodness.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (24:05):
We would've had everything that we needed
and we would've been at a venuethat was more reputable and
closer in town. And I alsolearned some things about my
own leadership there becausethe person I was working with,
they were more a visionary andcreative and I needed to speak
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up in certain instances where Iprobably had strengths and just
kind of allowed them to takeover because they're also very
organized and they could getthings done. So I also learned
a little bit about that andjust taking charge and making
decisions a little bit betteras well.
Troy Blaser (24:42):
Recognizing that you should maybe pay attention
to what your instinct wassaying and overcoming maybe
that reticence to speak up.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (24:49):
Exactly.
It's so interesting. This isrelated and it's actually a
really important lesson for me.
But I remember there was goingto be a board meeting to talk
about the event. And I was sonervous because I was like, the
feedback's going to beterrible. And I actually was
learning a lot about meditationand manifestation and
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visualization and things likethat. And I spent like the 15
minutes before the meetingmeditating and having an
affirmation, like I'm supportedin each action I take and my
path unfolds with ease. And Iremember picturing board
members thanking me and thatboard meeting was the opposite
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of what I thought it was. Andthey were actually saying like,
we know this didn't go the waythat maybe we thought it would.
However we commend you fordoing innovative and
interesting things and gettingnew people here. And I was
like, "oh, I would've neverexpected that". So that was the
power of setting tensionsbefore you go into spaces with
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people.
Troy Blaser (25:52):
Well, I wanted to ask kind of more currently for
you, is there a project orsomething that you're doing
right now that you'repassionate about that you could
share with us?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (26:01):
Yeah.
Something that I just launchedthat I'm really, really excited
about with my business bestie,Rebecca Van Damm. We have a
workshop series called Rhythmand Ritual, and it's a six week
series designed to helpentrepreneurs with a supportive
and sustainable workflow fortheir business, body and
(26:22):
spirit. What we're basicallytrying to help people do is
understand how to shift fromscattered and stress to easeful
and effective.
Troy Blaser (26:31):
I love that. It feels like a theme we come back
to a few different times duringour conversation is balance.
Even just in the title rhythmand ritual, there's a focus in
there of the concept of beingeffective and getting the work
done, but doing it in a waythat there's rhythm to it,
there's ease, like you said,even ease and effectiveness.
We're still accomplishingthings, but it's not, it
(26:52):
doesn't have to be painful. Itdoesn't have to be out of
balance.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (26:55):
No. And another thing that I'd like to
add is everything that I'mtalking about, I think we
associate the, "oh, this couldbe easy, this could be fun". We
associate it with some sort offluffiness pie in the sky. It
has those kind of connotations.
And the work that I do is aboutoperationalizing integrity.
(27:16):
It's like how do we put that inyour strategic plan? How do we
put that in our KPIs andmeasures of success? Because
that's what's going to elevateyour people, keeping them
connected and grounded in that.
That's the energy you need toactually have the creativity
and innovation that you'relooking for.
Troy Blaser (27:33):
I love that. It sounds exciting. It sounds like
it would be an an interestingseries, but then just
fascinating concepts to learnand to figure out how to apply
in my business or in thebusiness of whomever is
participating. I think that'sgreat.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (27:47):
Absolutely.
And I just want to add, I'vemanaged everywhere from a team
of one to a team of 12 and 14,and this is the same thing that
I brought in my corporatesettings as well. It fits
everywhere. It's for all of us.
Troy Blaser (28:01):
So if somebody's interested in the workshop or
if they're interested in justeven wanting to know more to
continue the conversation withyou, how do they get in touch
or find out more?
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (28:10):
Yeah, so my website is. And also I'm on
Instagram and LinkedIn andFacebook as well.
Troy Blaser (28:18):
Fantastic. Well, Yvonne , thank you so much for
your time today. I've reallyenjoyed this conversation.
Interesting ways to think aboutthings in my personal life, in
my work life. Thank you so muchfor your time today. I
appreciate it.
Yvonne Druyeh Dodd (28:30):
You're welcome. Thank you so much for
having me.
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