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What happens when medical advice collides with religious belief? This episode of "Sins of Scientology" takes you to November 18, 1995, to unravel the unsettling events surrounding Lisa McPherson's car accident and her ensuing public breakdown. We reconstruct that chaotic day through the eyes of first responders and delve into Lisa's strange behavior, which ultimately led her to Morton Plant Hospital. The tension between Scientology's strict doctrines and the hospital's medical protocols forms the crux of this tragic narrative, highlighting the significant conflicts that arose during her ER visit.
Join us as we explore the stories of key figures like Judy Goldsberry Weber, Annie Morrow, and Humberto Fontana, who were integral in managing Lisa's case under the Church's watchful eye. From opposing a psychiatric evaluation to ensuring her discharge, we shine a light on the lengths to which church members went to adhere to their faith while ostensibly supporting Lisa. This episode provides a riveting examination of the controversies and complexities that shadowed Lisa McPherson's last days, revealing the powerful influence of Scientology on her fate.
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Episode Transcript
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Sandi McKenna (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of Sins of
Scientology, where we delve intothe shadowy corners of one of
the world's most controversialorganizations.
I'm your host, sandy McKenna,joined by my co-host, abraham
Ulrich.
Today we continue to dive deepinto the tragic story of Lisa
McPherson.
In Part 1, we explored Lisa'sbackground and her journey
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within Scientology.
In Part 1, we explored Lisa'sbackground and her journey
within Scientology.
In Part 2, we focus on thecritical events of November 18,
1995, the day of her caraccident, and the ensuing chaos
that would mark the beginning ofher harrowing final days.
We'll hear the detailedrecollections from first
responders, medical staff andScientologists who were present,
(00:44):
and we'll piece together thebewildering circumstances and
responses that followed Lisa'spublic breakdown.
As they prepared to leave, theambulance driver glanced back at
Lisa's car Bonnie, she's takingher clothes off, he said.
Lisa walked down the streetcompletely naked, passing the
ambulance.
The paramedic quickly jumpedout, guided Lisa to the back of
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the ambulance and gave her ablanket.
When the paramedic asked whatshe was doing, lisa replied I
wanted people to think I wascrazy because I need help.
I just wanted someone to talkto.
Lisa was taken to the ER atMorton Plant Hospital in
Clearwater, florida.
Was taken to the ER at MortonPlant Hospital in Clearwater,
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florida.
Join us as we unravel thecomplexities of this pivotal day
in Lisa McPherson's life.
The following summaries arederived from sworn statements
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recounting the recollections ofthose individuals who were
present with Lisa at MortonPlant Hospital on November 18,
1995.
These statements detail theirroles, concerns and actions
taken upon learning of Lisa'saccident and subsequent hospital
visit.
The individuals involvedinclude church officials and
medical personnel, providingthese accounts under oath to
(02:14):
explain their presence andinvolvement in the situation
surrounding Lisa McPherson's ERvisit and release.
Abraham Aurich (02:21):
The Accident November 18, 1995.
And released the accidentNovember 18, 1995.
Police report Officer JayFarrow.
I was dispatched to an accidentat South Fort Harrison Avenue
and Bellevue Boulevard onNovember 18, 1995, at
approximately 1,740 hoursInvestigation.
Upon arrival I parked mycruiser on the west grass
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shoulder of Fort Harrison Avenuenorth of Bellevue.
Fire department vehicles wereoccupying the southbound curb
lane.
The accident involved amotorcycle driven by a woman and
a Ford Escort driven by anelderly man.
Traffic was heavy in the areaas all southbound traffic was
funneling into the one stillopen center lane.
This accident did not call fora police report, so I assisted
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in filling out a blue formdriver's exchange.
I then heard the screeching ofa vehicle braking, followed by
an impact.
When I looked at the directionof the noise I observed what
appeared to be a second accident.
A Jeep Cherokee had rear-endeda boat on a trailer.
I requested a second unit torespond and Officer M Stone Lake
was dispatched.
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Fire department personnelchecked for injuries and advised
that none were present.
If possible, I requested theyadvise the two drivers to move
off the road to keep trafficflowing.
Sandi McKenna (03:39):
Officer Stone Lake.
I investigated a travelaccident.
The victim was involved inInvestigation At the time of the
accident investigation.
The victim walked away from thescene and removed all of her
clothing.
The paramedic from Sun Storestopped her.
After she removed all of herclothing, they brought her to an
ambulance and provided her witha blanket.
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I spoke with the victim abouther behavior.
She indicated that she washaving a hard time at the church
, meaning the Church ofScientology, because she was not
concentrating.
She would not go into anyfurther detail about that.
I also noticed she appeared tobe in a daze as I spoke to her.
I had to ask her the samequestion several times to get a
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response.
The victim attributed theaccident to having a lot on her
mind.
The victim agreed to go withSunstar to Morton Plant Hospital
to speak to a counselor.
I had no further contact withthe victim.
Abraham Aurich (04:35):
Paramedic for Sunstar Ambulance, bonnie
Portolano's recollection of theevents on November 18, 1995.
Bonnie Portolano and herpartner responded to a motor
vehicle accident at theintersection of Bellevue and
Fort Harrison.
While assisting the ClearwaterFire Department with patients'
refusal from the first accident,another minor accident occurred
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at the same intersection.
The Fire Department alsorequested that Bonnie and her
partner handle this refusal forthis second incident.
During the interactions, bonnienoticed one of the individuals
involved was new to the area andstruggling to recall her
address.
The woman, Lisa, mentioned thatmailing anything to a Texas
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address would eventually reachher, although the address is not
crucial for refusal.
Bonnie found it odd butproceeded with the necessary
paperwork.
As Bonnie and her partnerreturned to their ambulance, her
partner remarked on Lisa'speculiar behavior, referring to
it as their crazy call of theday.
However, things took a dramaticturn when Bonnie's partner
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spotted Lisa undressing in theside view mirror.
Disbelieving at first, bonniequickly realized the situation
when Lisa walked past herambulance completely naked.
Acting swiftly, bonnie exitedthe ambulance to guide Lisa away
from traffic.
Lisa, complying, explained thatshe took her clothes off
because she was in OT and wantedpeople to think she was crazy
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so they would help her.
Bonnie, unfamiliar with theterm OT, focused on ensuring
Lisa's safety in getting herinto the ambulance.
Inside the ambulance, lisaexpressed feelings of being a
bad person due to having badthoughts and actions in her mind
.
Bonnie covered Lisa with asheet and continued to ask her
about her well-being.
Lisa mentioned a significantconcern about taking her eyes
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off the object, a statementBonnie didn't fully understand
at the time.
The police officers who hadgathered Lisa's clothing waited
outside the ambulance to see ifLisa needed to be transported
under the Baker Act.
Lisa eventually agreed to govoluntarily and Bonnie assured
the police that no Baker Act wasnecessary.
Lisa's request for her card tobe towed to a specific address
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on Osceola hinted at herconnection with Scientology.
Throughout their conversation,lisa displayed signs of mental
confusion, struggling withsimple questions and often
needing to be prompted to openher eyes to answer them.
Despite this, she revealed thatshe worked for a publishing
company on Lakeview and that sheliked her job.
Lisa's mental state seemed tofluctuate, showing apparent
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distress and fatigue.
Bonnie and her partnertransported Lisa to Morton Plant
Hospital where they debriefedthe nurse on Lisa's condition
and her desire for help.
Bonnie felt deeply concernedfor Lisa, sensing something
special about her and hoping shewould receive the necessary
care.
Bonnie recalls that after theinitial assessment, a group of
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Scientologists had arrived atthe emergency room and taken
Lisa away, despite her apparentneed for further evaluation.
Bonnie expressed frustrationover the situation, comparing it
to returning a battered wife tothe abusive husband situation
comparing it to returning abattered wife to the abusive
husband.
She believed that Lisa'semotional turmoil and the
influence of the Church ofScientology played a significant
role in her distress.
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Lisa's constant reference totaking her eyes off the object
and her self-perceivedwrongdoings highlighted her
internal struggle, somethingBonnie wished she could have
addressed more effectively ifshe had better knowledge of
Scientology at the time.
Ultimately, bonnie's accountpaints a picture of a distraught
woman caught between her needfor help and the pressures of
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her religious affiliations.
Despite Bonnie's best effortsto provide care, the constraints
of the situation and Lisa'ssubsequent return to
Scientologists left her feelinghelpless and deeply saddened by
the outcome.
Sandi McKenna (08:27):
The Recollection of Kim Brennan.
Kim Brennan, a paramedic withthree and a half years of
experience at Morton PlantHospital and a background as a
firefighter paramedic at theNewport Ritchie Fire Department,
detailed her experience with apatient brought in by EMS on
November 18, 1995.
Morton Plant was her first jobin an emergency room as she was
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also furthering her education tobecome a registered nurse.
On the night of November 18,1995, ems personnel brought in a
young woman involved in a minormotor vehicle accident.
The patient, later identifiedas Lisa McPherson, had received
treatment at the scene Shortlyafter she was found walking down
the street naked, stating thatshe did not need her body at
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that time and wanted to talk tosomeone.
Ems then transported her to theMorton Plant Emergency
Department.
Upon arrival, lisa was placedin a bed and Kim began to ask
her several questions.
Kim noted that Lisa kept hereyes closed and spoke very
monotone.
She would only open her eyes oncommand.
Despite this, lisa knew whereshe was, the day and the year.
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Lisa stated that she had walkednaked to make people think she
was crazy and avoid beingarrested.
Kim completed the standardtriage form, asking about Lisa's
mental status and medicalhistory, all of which Lisa
claimed were negative.
Dr Lovett, the emergency roomphysician on duty, examined Lisa
and suggested a psychiatricevaluation due to her
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inappropriate behavior.
Around 10 minutes after the EMSbrought Lisa in, a member of
the Church of Scientologyarrived, claiming that a
psychiatric consult was againstthe religion.
Despite this, dr Lovettinsisted on the evaluation.
Ems personnel informed Kim thatLisa was a Scientologist.
Two more individuals arrived atLisa's bedside, one identifying
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as a member of the congregation.
They were very upset about thepsychiatric evaluation,
reiterating that it was againsttheir practices.
Dr Lovett explained thenecessity of evaluating Lisa's
mental status to them.
Joe, a registered nurse fromthe psychiatric department,
conducted the evaluation,despite the presence of
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Scientologists.
Joe determined that Lisa wasnot a threat to herself or
others, denying any suicidal orhomicidal thoughts.
Lisa expressed a desire to gohome with her friends from the
congregation.
Dr Lovett, after consultingwith another physician,
concluded that Lisa did not meetthe criteria for the Baker Act.
The Scientologists assured themthat they would watch over her
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and handle any problems.
The Scientologists assured themthat they would watch over her
and handle any problems.
Kim prepared an AMA AgainstMedical Advice form for Lisa to
sign, as they felt she neededfurther evaluation.
Lisa signed the form withoutissue and Kim had the two
Scientologists sign as witnesses, given their commitment to her
care.
The Scientologists were adamantand upset about the evaluation.
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Making their opposition clear,kim noted they remained beside
Lisa leaning on a shelf near thebed.
Lisa, meanwhile, provided verylittle information, voluntarily
speaking only when directlyquestioned and keeping her eyes
closed most of the time.
Kim observed that Lisa feltsomewhat comfortable with the
first Scientologist who arrived,whom she identified as a friend
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.
However, after the arrival ofthe other two individuals, the
bedside became silent and Lisadid not engage in further
conversation.
Lisa remained in the ER forabout two hours.
The first Scientologist arrivedapproximately 10 minutes after
Lisa, with the others followingshortly thereafter.
The woman in the blue shirt andthe tall man in the dark
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clothing assured Kim and DrLovett that they would take care
of Lisa and watch over her.
Eventually, somebody broughtclothing for Lisa, though Kim
could not confirm if it was heroriginal clothing or new clothes
.
Kim saw Lisa walk out of theemergency room with the three
Scientologists through thedouble doors towards the exit.
This encounter left Kimreflecting on the unusual and
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concerning circumstances,particularly the strong
opposition from theScientologists regarding the
psychiatric evaluation.
Kim had never experienced suchcontroversy and deeply felt.
Lisa needed to receive propercare.
Abraham Aurich (12:45):
Joe Price's recollection of the events on
November 18, 1995.
Joseph Price worked as aclinical nurse, specialist and
liaison at Morton Plant Hospital.
He had been part of thehospital's team since 1995,
bringing with him 18 years ofexperience as a nurse, most of
which he spent in psychiatry.
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His responsibilities includedperforming psych consults and
psychiatric assessments todetermine whether individuals
met Baker Act criteria.
On the night of November 18th,around 10 pm, joe Price vividly
remembered being called to theemergency room.
Upon arrival, dr Lovett, thedoctor on duty, informed him
that a young lady needed to beassessed.
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This patient, lisa, wasaccompanied by members of the
Church of Scientology, which wasunusual.
Dr Lovett advised that if Joewanted these individuals to
leave, he should ask them andsecurity would be called if
necessary.
When Joe went to the cubicle,he found Lisa lying in bed with
at least three church memberspresent.
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One man dressed in a very nicesuit identified himself as a
lawyer.
Initially he resisted Joe'sattempt to speak with Lisa.
They seemed to believe that Joewas a psychologist or a
psychiatrist.
With Dr Lovett's assistance,joe clarified that he was a
registered nurse and only wishedto ensure Lisa's well-being.
The church members dressed inplain clothes included at least
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one male and one female.
Lisa, a physically healthy36-year-old female of average
height and weight, appearedpassive and pale for a Florida
resident with some freckles.
Joe introduced himself andasked Lisa if she wanted to
speak to him and if she wantedthe others to leave.
She hesitated slightly beforeanswering, a pattern he noticed
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throughout the conversation.
Joe's assessment includedasking about medical problems,
living arrangements and maritalstatus, which Lisa responded
negatively and stated she didn'tmind her friend staying.
During the conversation, joenoticed Lisa crossing her eyes
before answering questions.
When confronted, she explainedit helped her to concentrate
better, which Joe found strange.
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He asked about her psychiatrichistory and current thoughts of
self-harm, both of which shedenied.
He also questioned her abouther reported bizarre behavior of
removing her clothes andrunning down the street after
her car accident.
Lisa explained that she did itto get attention and avoid
arrest.
Lisa did not meet the Baker Actcriteria.
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She was alert and oriented andher memory was intact.
Despite her slow responses, joecompleted his assessment and
reported to Dr Dejani, theon-call psychiatrist, who
concurred that they had no basisto Baker Act.
Lisa.
The church members assured Joethat Lisa would be safe with
them and would not harm herselfor drive again that day, joe
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observed them escort Lisa out ofthe hospital with three church
members on either side of her,giving the impression she was a
prisoner.
Throughout the assessment, joefelt the church member's
presence may have intimidatedLisa, potentially affecting her
responses.
She seemed guarded and fearful.
Though it was unclear whetherthis was due to the car accident
or the church member's presence, joe's gut feeling was that
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Lisa could not speak freely.
Joe noted that Dr Lovett hadreleased Lisa against medical
advice, indicating he believedthat she needed further
evaluation.
While Joe did not conduct aphysical assessment, he observed
no injuries on Lisa's face.
The church members provided nodetails on how they would care
for Lisa, only assuring Joe ofher safety.
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Joe's impression as he watchedLisa leave the hospital
accompanied by the churchmembers was one of concern.
Her mental state, as hedocumented, showed no signs of
suicidal or homicidal tendenciesand she was able to think
abstractly.
However, her strange behaviorand slow responses indicated
something was amiss, althoughJoe, not being a psychiatrist,
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could not diagnose her condition.
Sandi McKenna (16:42):
Scientology converges on Morton Plant
Hospital.
Soon after Lisa arrived atMorton Plant Hospital, fellow
Scientologists began arriving atthe emergency room.
Benetta Slaughter, lisa's boss,had alerted them.
She had seen Lisa's car at theaccident scene after the
ambulance left and asked apoliceman where the owner was.
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He directed her to Morton PlantHospital.
Benetta was covered in paintfrom working on props for a
charity drive and she felt shewasn't in the best condition to
visit a hospital herself.
She also expressed that shejust didn't like hospitals, so
she called other Scientologiststo check in on Lisa.
Among those who responded wereElaine Khodizinski.
Abraham Aurich (17:38):
Alain Khodizinski was a senior case
provider who supervisedministers, which Scientology
calls auditors.
These ministers performedspecial counseling with
parishioners.
These ministers perform specialcounseling with parishioners.
Allen ensured that casesupervisors followed standard
procedures in directing thespiritual counseling.
Each minister has four to tenparishioners at any given time
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and each case supervisor has tento twenty ministers.
The security office informedAllen that a parishioner, lisa
McPherson, had some sort ofaccident and was at the hospital
.
He looked to see if he couldsend a minister there, someone
who could go immediately to giveany assistance if needed.
Alan couldn't find anyone so hedecided to go himself.
When he arrived at theemergency room reception desk he
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was met by a man who introducedhimself as Lisa's employer,
david Slaughter.
He asked to see Lisa McPhersonand a few minutes later he was
directed to her location.
She was lying down, but nottotally.
The top of her body waselevated.
She was in conversation withthe male nurse.
He told this nurse that he wasthe minister from the church.
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He greeted Lisa and she said hiand smiled, and he noted that
she was very pale.
The nurse introduced himself asJoe and told Alan he needed to
ask Lisa more questions.
Lisa grabbed Alan's hand and heheld it as Joe asked her
questions.
He asked her what is your name,how old are you, what is your
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address?
Where do you work?
Have you taken alcohol today?
Or do you take medicine ordrugs?
This type of thing?
Maybe 15 to 20 questions.
Lisa answered the questions.
At one point she told Joe andAlan that she wanted to leave.
She said I want to leave.
I want to go to the church withhim, meaning Alan, according to
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Alan, nurse Joe said that'sfine, all the answers you're
giving me are right, but how doyou explain what you did today,
that you took your clothes offin the street?
In response, lisa said You'reright, this was not a rational
action, I am sorry.
She then followed by saying Iam sorry, I did that.
I think I wanted to create someeffect.
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I am sorry, I did it.
It was not rational.
Then she said again but youknow, I don't want to stay here.
I want to go to the hotel onFort Harrison with him, meaning
Alain, I don't want to stay here.
She said again.
So Nurse Jo asked Alain to stepout of the room.
He wanted to ask her somequestions.
Alain left the room but stoodnear the corridor Three to four
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minutes later, nurse Jo came outof the room and told Alain that
he saw no need to keep Lisa andthat she'd answered the
questions.
Well, alain said she was notcrying, she was embarrassed,
concerned, perhaps upset.
She didn't want to stay there,which was very clear to Alain.
She wanted to leave and shementioned wanting to rest and
relax.
Three people were in the roomwhile the nurse asked the
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questions.
However, two girls were at theentrance of the room.
One of them, alain didn't know.
The other was Scientologydoctor Jean de Caipare.
Alain figured the hospital wassatisfied with whatever
examinations they've done, withno reason to keep her there.
Alain went back to the receptionand saw David Slaughter.
He said he didn't know whathappened between that point and
when she walked out.
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When she came out of thehospital reception area about 10
minutes later, alain asked ifshe needed a ride.
Lisa said yes, she wouldappreciate a ride to the Fort
Harrison Hotel.
So Alain gave her a ride anddrove her there.
He dropped her off at the hoteland some hotel staffs were
there.
So he asked could you take herto get a room?
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And then Alan went to park hiscar.
Lisa got to a room.
After he parked his car he wentto Lisa's room to check on her.
He asked her if she was goingto be all right there and she
said yes.
Alain said he got the idea thatshe wanted to relax and rest
and be away from work andwhatever.
So he didn't pry, he said Lisalooked more relaxed at that
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point and felt she truly wantedto stay there more than anything
else.
She wanted to relax.
After he left her, he returnedto his office and called the
medical liaison office and askedwhoever answered the phone to
check on Lisa and see if sheneeded anything.
Sandi McKenna (21:53):
According to Scientologist Dr Jean de Caipire
, chiropractor, it was nighttimewhen she received a call from
Benetta Slaughter, lisaMcPherson's employer.
Benetta informed her that Lisahad been in an accident and
asked if she could go to thehospital.
Benetta had been working allday and asked if she could go to
the hospital.
Benetta had been working allday and still had paint on her.
She also had a strong aversionto blood and medical situations.
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Benetta told her Lisa was atMorton Plain Hospital and
requested that she head overthere.
When she arrived at thehospital she asked if there was
a.
Lisa McPherson admitted DavidSlaughter, benetta's husband,
was there and he told her Lisawas in the emergency room.
She asked if she could go backand see her and they permitted
her to do so.
In the receiving area she sawLisa wearing a hospital gown.
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Lisa appeared fine to her.
There was no blood or visibleinjuries.
At that moment she still didn'tknow the details of the
accident.
She was informed that Lisa hadrun into the back of a car or
something.
The next thing she knew Lisahad no clothes on.
She never fully understood thesequence of events, but that was
what she was told.
Another person was there, awoman named Mary, who she
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understood to be Bonetta'sassistant.
She was unsure how Mary arrived, but Mary had Lisa's clothes
with her.
It was just Lisa and Mary.
At that point Lisa didn't offeran explanation and perhaps she
didn't give her the opportunityto do so.
She merely told Lisa that shehad messed up.
Lisa didn't seem frightened atall.
The area was bustling withactivity, with people and
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doctors constantly moving around.
It was a chaotic environmentwith a sick child suffering from
whooping cough and a lot ofnoise.
They didn't get a chance tohave a proper conversation.
A doctor came in at one point toexamine Lisa's eyes, checking
for head injuries, but therewere no lacerations on her body.
From the time she arrived untilthey left together it felt like
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a hand-holding experiencerather than a serious discussion
.
Lisa didn't seem irrational toher.
Lisa cried briefly, perhaps infront of a doctor, but it was
short-lived.
Lisa didn't joke and seemedmore in shock from the accident,
withdrawn and not verytalkative.
Her previous back injury didn'tcome up.
The emergency room doctorsconsulted her only once, asking
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her if she knew why Lisa mightneed assistance.
She shared that in July Lisahad issues regulating her salt
and potassium levels due to theheat During her time there.
She didn't have any x-raystaken.
Mary had been with Lisa up tothat point and doctors mainly
conducted reflex and eye tests,finding nothing unusual.
No one asked about herrelationship with Lisa.
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When it came time for Lisa'srelease, there were no
significant conversationsbetween Lisa and the doctors.
Lisa signed herself out and shesigned as a witness.
They had a psychiatric nursethere question Lisa to ensure
she was rational.
One of the questions was aboutsaying people in glass houses
shouldn't throw stones, whichLisa answered correctly.
Lisa's minister, mr Kordinsky,arrived at some point.
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The doctor asked about hisrelationship with Lisa.
Benetta never showed up, whichshe didn't expect given
Benetta's aversion to suchsituations.
Mary left after the first 20minutes and she didn't see her
again.
After confirming who Kordinskywas, he left the emergency room.
She stayed with Lisa until allthe necessary tests were
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completed.
The doctor eventually releasedLisa, advising her not to run in
the streets naked again andimplied she should look after
Lisa.
They signed the correct releaseforms and walked out together.
As they exited she sawKardasinski and another man,
though she was unsure if DavidSlaughter was still there.
Lisa got into Kardasinski's carand she followed him in her car
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.
Abraham Aurich (25:36):
According to Judy Goldsberry Weber,
scientologist, medical LiaisonOfficer, judy Goldsberry Weber
was a nurse, respiratorytherapist and an LPN with 35
years experience.
She spent seven years on thestaff of respiratory therapy at
the University of Oregon HealthScience Center in Portland In
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five years working with thestate.
Then she moved on to privateduty living with terminally ill
patients until they passed.
Lisa McPherson came into Judy'sMLO office in the summer of
1995.
Lisa was having difficultysleeping and had a loss of
appetite.
Judy discovered that Lisa hadrecently moved from a different
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climate and suggested she see aphysician to see if medical
condition was causing theseissues.
Judy provided her with a listof three doctors.
Lisa returned a couple of dayslater saying she had visited Dr
DeCypere, a chiropractor and anutritionist, who helped her
identify the problem.
Lisa was happy and reportedthat her issues were being
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resolved with Dr DeCypere'sprogram to improve her appetite
and sleep.
Two weeks before the accident,lisa attested to Clear.
It was stated that she washappy, elated and bubbly.
The next time Judy saw her wasat the hospital.
Security paged Judy informingher she needed to go to Morton
Plant Hospital immediately.
Though they did not provide aname of a patient At the
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hospital, the admitting staffdirected Judy to where Lisa was.
Lisa was in the fast track areaand recognized Judy.
Lisa was nervous but appearedunharmed, though there was a lot
of noise and confusion aroundthem.
Lisa expressed a strong desireto leave the hospital.
Judy spoke with Dr Lovett whowas taking care of Lisa.
Despite his concerns, thepsychiatric evaluator stated
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Lisa did not meet the criteriafor psychiatric observation.
Judy asked if there was anyphysical reason to keep Lisa in
the hospital and both the doctorand evaluator confirmed there
was none.
Judy informed Lisa that shewould start the paperwork for
her discharge, which made Lisavery happy.
Judy then told Mr Fontana andother staff members awaiting
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outside about the proceedingsfor Lisa's release.
Lisa had been in an accidentand was in a hospital gown, but
someone had her clothes.
Judy walked Lisa out of thehospital, where Lisa walked with
Mr Kartaninsky and Dr DeCaiparetowards the car.
Judy instructed Mr Fontana toensure Lisa went to a place
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where she could relax and bequiet, as per doctor's
recommendations.
A few days later Judy inquiredabout Lisa's condition and found
out from her senior, janicethat Lisa had been taken to the
Fort Harrison Hotel.
Janice assured Judy that Lisawas okay and everything was
being taken care of.
Judy asked Janice to tell Lisa.
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She said hello and that Lisashould come visit when she felt
better.
Sandi McKenna (28:30):
According to Annie Morrow, annie Morrow's
role involved researching andcollecting information necessary
to provide direction onhandling situations that might
present public relations orlegal challenges for the Church
of Scientology.
Annie doesn't remember exactlywho informed her about a
parishioner being in an accident, but it might have been Brian
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Anderson.
She then went to Morton PlantHospital.
Annie had never met LisaMcPherson until the day Lisa
went to Morton Plant Hospitalfollowing her car accident.
Her purpose in going to thehospital was to find out what
was going on, assess if thesituation required the church's
concern and gather informationto handle the matter in a way
that would help Lisa and protectthe church.
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Their main concern was thepotential involvement of a
psychiatrist, david Slaughter.
Benetta Slaughter's husband wasat the hospital, as was Jean de
Kuyperay, another parishionerand a chiropractor who had
previously treated Lisa.
After Annie had arrived at thehospital, she believes Emma
Shamehorn was already there,followed by Judy Goldsberry
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Weber and Elaine Kortizunski.
It's unusual for such incidentsto happen to a longtime
Scientologist who should be in agood frame ofinski.
It's unusual for such incidentsto happen to a longtime
Scientologist who should be in agood frame of mind.
It's tragic for someone toexperience a mental breakdown.
Annie did not speak to anyoneat the hospital, but Umberto did
.
His goal was to inform thehospital authorities that Lisa
was a Scientologist and, basedon her religious beliefs, would
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not want psychiatric treatmentor medication.
Annie doesn't know who Umbertotalked to or the reaction he
received, but that was hispurpose.
Judy came because she wasfamiliar with the hospital from
previous visits withparishioners and staff for
emergency care.
In the emergency room MaryDeMoss and Jean de Caipare were
present and later AlanKardasinski was able to see Lisa
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.
Annie isn't sure if Judyactually saw Lisa.
Annie didn't speak to Lisaherself.
Anything she learned about thesituation came later, before
Lisa was discharged.
Annie was concerned about whereLisa would go, how she would be
cared for and whether sheneeded assistance.
There was some discussion aboutwhere Lisa might stay and it
was decided she shouldn't stayby herself because she was
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obviously unstable.
Annie recalls Alain being onthe phone coordinating Lisa's
care and where she should go.
The decision made by those atthe church, rather than by Alain
or Annie, was that Lisa shouldgo to the Fort Harrison for rest
and relaxation.
Mr Kordozinski, in histechnical position, would know
what to do to help someone inLisa's condition.
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Lisa walked out of the hospitalwith Jean de Caipare, emma and
Alain.
She got into Alain's car, withEmma and Jean heading to the
Fort Harrison.
Annie then left the hospitaland returned to her office to
start gathering information onLisa.
She compiled various types ofinformation, including
correspondence between Lisa andthe church, and provided it to
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her seniors, including Brian.
This information would beuseful to the legal department,
although Annie herself didn't gothrough Lisa's PC folder, and
Lane probably did.
Eventually this information wassent to Los Angeles.
Abraham Aurich (31:39):
Recollection of Humberto Fontana.
Humberto Fontana moved from LAto Clearwater in 1988 to fill
the position of Director ofSocial Reform in the Office of
Special Affairs.
In this role he worked withparishioners to organize
community activities aimed athelping in various areas such as
drug rehabilitation, literacystudy technology and exposing
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psychiatry violations of humanrights.
Through the Citizens Commissionof Human Rights, his main focus
was to engage parishioners'interest in community
involvement.
In the Office of SpecialAffairs in Clearwater, humberto
worked alongside Brian Anderson,mary Story, annie Mora, alice
Herbin, glenn Stalo, ben Shawand his wife.
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Humberto received word thatLisa McPherson had been taken to
Morton Plant Hospital.
He recalls coming into theoffice in the afternoon when
either his wife or Annie Moramentioned that a parishioner had
been involved in a car accidentand had been taken to Morton
Plant.
He was told there was someissue with her taking her
clothes off.
He then decided that he shouldgo to the hospital.
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At the hospital, umbertoencountered Annie Mora who had
likely driven herself there.
Several other people from thechurch were present, including
Judy Goldberry Weber andpossibly Emma Shamehorn.
He also believed that DavidSlaughter was there, but didn't
recall seeing Elaine Kordesinski.
Upon arriving, humberto spokewith Judy Goldberry Weber.
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He asked her how Lisa was doingand if there was a threat of
her being taken to thepsychiatric wing.
Judy said it wasn't determinedyet, which was Humberto's main
concern.
Humberto's main conversation atthe hospital was with Judy,
although he may have brieflyspoken with Emma Shamehorn.
He then spoke to one of thedoctors and a psychiatric nurse,
expressing his concern thatLisa shouldn't be admitted to
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the psychiatric wing based ontheir belief that psychiatry
does more harm than good.
In his fear that she might beharmed or raped.
Humberto didn't speak to Lisadirectly, but knew she was a
church member and opposed topsychiatric treatment.
He had been informed by eitherEmma or Judy that Lisa had been
released.
He said he saw her walking outwith a couple of people.
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After leaving the hospital,humberto returned to the Fort
Harrison.
He spoke with one of thesecurity guards, confirming that
Lisa had been released and waseither on her way or had already
arrived at the Fort Harrison,which surprised him as he didn't
know why she was going there.
Several people were taking careof Lisa.
Aline Kardasinski, the seniorcase supervisor, was responsible
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for the technical matters ofher counseling.
Humberto recalled being briefedby either Annie or his wife
that Lisa wanted to go in forcounseling, but was unable to do
so because she wasn't restingwell.
To his knowledge, no one fromhis office went to see her.
Sandi McKenna (34:28):
According, to Emma Louise Shamehorn.
Emma Louise Shamehorn moved toClearwater on April 23, 1987 to
join the Sea Organization.
Prior to that, she and herhusband owned a small aviation
business in Alberta, canada, for20 years until their separation
.
After that she worked invarious office roles, such as
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secretary and receptionist AtFlag.
Emma served as the publicmedical liaison officer, acting
as a bridge between publicindividuals receiving services
at the church and the medicalprofession.
She held that position forapproximately eight years,
despite not having specificmedical training.
Public Scientologists pay fortheir own medical care, while
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the church covers medicalexpenses for its staff.
The first time Emma met LisaMcPherson was at Morton Plan
Hospital.
Her son-in-law, nick McFarlane,drove her to the hospital and
dropped her off at the door.
She didn't realize Lisa hadwrecked her car, but was there
because her beeper indicatedthat a public person at the
hospital needed attention.
In the waiting room or hallwayshe saw Umberto Fontana, judy
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and possibly Annie Mora.
Emma's purpose was to assesswhat help Lisa required and
fulfill her role as the medicalliaison officer.
Although she didn't speakpersonally to Lisa, she was
shown to Lisa's room where apsychiatric nurse and Elaine
Kordosunsky were present.
There may have been anotherperson, possibly Dr de Kuyperer,
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but Emma wasn't quite sure.
The nurse asked to speak toLisa alone, so Emma and the
others stepped into the hallway.
Judy Goldsberry Weber arrived,mentioning she knew the doctor
and would speak to him.
Shortly after Judy came out andinformed them that Lisa was
being released, they all leftwith Lisa.
At that point they divided intocars, and Emma riding in the
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back to the Fort Harrison withMr Kardasunski and Lisa.
It wasn't until they arrived atthe hotel that they were
informed which room Lisa wouldbe staying in.
Janet Herring met them at theentrance and directed them to
the specific room in the cabanasat the back of the hotel.
Emma assisted Lisa to the room.
Lisa was calm and quiet andappeared healthy At that point.
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Lisa had few belongings withher, possibly just a purse,
though Emma couldn't recallexactly.
Her things were reportedlybrought to the hotel by Benetta
Slaughter, although Emma did notsee them delivered herself.
Lisa's bags were in the closetthe next time Emma entered the
room.
Abraham Aurich (36:55):
We have questions.
Why did Lisa's behavior changeso drastically after the car
accident?
What could have triggered sucha severe response, and why was
she struggling so much toarticulate her thoughts and
feelings?
Sandi McKenna (37:08):
What role did Scientology's practices play in
Lisa's decision to undress inpublic?
Was this a cry for help or amanifestation of deeper
psychological distressexacerbated by her involvement
with the church?
Abraham Aurich (37:22):
How did the presence of multiple
Scientologists at the hospitalinfluence the medical staff's
decision?
Were the medical professionalscoerced or intimidated into
releasing Lisa prematurely?
Sandi McKenna (37:34):
Why was Lisa's request for possible help at the
hospital so vehemently opposedby the Scientologists present?
How does this reflect onScientology's broader stance
towards mental health andpsychiatric care?
Abraham Aurich (37:48):
What were the implications of the
Scientologists' promise to carefor Lisa after her release?
Did they have proper trainingor resources to handle her
condition, and why did theychoose to take on this
responsibility?
Sandi McKenna (38:00):
How did the medical staff reconcile Lisa's
apparent mental distress withher lucid moments?
Was there enough evidence tojustify a more thorough
psychiatric evaluation, despiteher periods of coherence?
Abraham Aurich (38:14):
What was the significance of Lisa's comment
about being an OT and her needto make people think she was
crazy?
How do these statements relateto Scientology's teachings and
practices?
Sandi McKenna (38:24):
Why did the hospital agree to release Lisa
into the care of non-medicalpersonnel?
What were the legal and ethicaloversights in this decision?
Abraham Aurich (38:33):
What impact did Lisa's prior interactions with
the church have on her mentalstate during the hospital visit?
Can we draw a line between herprevious experiences and her
actions on November 18, 1995?
Sandi McKenna (38:45):
How does this case highlight the potential
conflicts between religiousfreedom and medical ethics?
Should there be more stringentguidelines when dealing with
cases involving controversialreligious organizations?
Abraham Aurich (38:58):
These are the questions that continue to haunt
those seeking justice for LisaMcPherson.
The intricacies of her casereveal not only the personal
struggles of one woman, but alsothe broader implication of
institutional practices in thefine line between religious
belief and the medicalresponsibility.
As we delve deeper into thisharrowing story, we aim to
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uncover the truth and shed lighton the dark corners of Lisa's
final days.
Sandi McKenna (39:26):
Coming up.
Next, on Sins of Scientology,we bring you part three of our
series on Lisa McPherson.
We will walk you through thefinal 17 days of Lisa's life,
spent under the close watch offellow Scientologists.
What happened behind the closeddoors of the Fort Harrison
Hotel?
How did a woman seeking helpend up losing her life under
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such mysterious circumstances?
Stay tuned as we continue touncover the disturbing details
and lingering questionssurrounding Lisa McPherson's
tragic end.
Abraham Aurich (39:58):
Thank you for joining us on this episode of
Sins of Scientology.
Today we've peeled back anotherlayer on the troubling events
surrounding Lisa McPherson'slife and untimely death.
The details and testimonieswe've examined raise critical
questions about the influence ofScientology over its members
and the length they will go tomaintain control.
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In our next episode, we'lldelve deeper into the final 17
days of Lisa's life.
This is Sandy McKenna and I amAbraham Ulrich.
Until next time, keepquestioning, keep seeking, and
may your journey be as rich andenlightening as the stories you
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encounter.
The Children of Scientolo (40:40):
Thank you, the Thank you.
Welcome to another episode of Sins of
Scientology, where we delve intothe shadowy corners of one of
the world's most controversialorganizations.
I'm your host, sandy McKenna,joined by my co-host, abraham
Ulrich.
Today we continue to dive deepinto the tragic story of Lisa
McPherson.
In Part 1, we explored Lisa'sbackground and her journey
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within Scientology.
In Part 1, we explored Lisa'sbackground and her journey
within Scientology.
In Part 2, we focus on thecritical events of November 18,
1995, the day of her caraccident, and the ensuing chaos
that would mark the beginning ofher harrowing final days.
We'll hear the detailedrecollections from first
responders, medical staff andScientologists who were present,
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and we'll piece together thebewildering circumstances and
responses that followed Lisa'spublic breakdown.
As they prepared to leave, theambulance driver glanced back at
Lisa's car Bonnie, she's takingher clothes off, he said.
Lisa walked down the streetcompletely naked, passing the
ambulance.
The paramedic quickly jumpedout, guided Lisa to the back of
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the ambulance and gave her ablanket.
When the paramedic asked whatshe was doing, lisa replied I
wanted people to think I wascrazy because I need help.
I just wanted someone to talkto.
Lisa was taken to the ER atMorton Plant Hospital in
Clearwater, florida.
Was taken to the ER at MortonPlant Hospital in Clearwater,
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florida.
Join us as we unravel thecomplexities of this pivotal day
in Lisa McPherson's life.
The following summaries arederived from sworn statements
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recounting the recollections ofthose individuals who were
present with Lisa at MortonPlant Hospital on November 18,
1995.
These statements detail theirroles, concerns and actions
taken upon learning of Lisa'saccident and subsequent hospital
visit.
The individuals involvedinclude church officials and
medical personnel, providingthese accounts under oath to
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explain their presence andinvolvement in the situation
surrounding Lisa McPherson's ERvisit and release.
Abraham Aurich (02:21):
The Accident November 18, 1995.
And released the accidentNovember 18, 1995.
Police report Officer JayFarrow.
I was dispatched to an accidentat South Fort Harrison Avenue
and Bellevue Boulevard onNovember 18, 1995, at
approximately 1,740 hoursInvestigation.
Upon arrival I parked mycruiser on the west grass
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shoulder of Fort Harrison Avenuenorth of Bellevue.
Fire department vehicles wereoccupying the southbound curb
lane.
The accident involved amotorcycle driven by a woman and
a Ford Escort driven by anelderly man.
Traffic was heavy in the areaas all southbound traffic was
funneling into the one stillopen center lane.
This accident did not call fora police report, so I assisted
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in filling out a blue formdriver's exchange.
I then heard the screeching ofa vehicle braking, followed by
an impact.
When I looked at the directionof the noise I observed what
appeared to be a second accident.
A Jeep Cherokee had rear-endeda boat on a trailer.
I requested a second unit torespond and Officer M Stone Lake
was dispatched.
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Fire department personnelchecked for injuries and advised
that none were present.
If possible, I requested theyadvise the two drivers to move
off the road to keep trafficflowing.
Sandi McKenna (03:39):
Officer Stone Lake.
I investigated a travelaccident.
The victim was involved inInvestigation At the time of the
accident investigation.
The victim walked away from thescene and removed all of her
clothing.
The paramedic from Sun Storestopped her.
After she removed all of herclothing, they brought her to an
ambulance and provided her witha blanket.
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I spoke with the victim abouther behavior.
She indicated that she washaving a hard time at the church
, meaning the Church ofScientology, because she was not
concentrating.
She would not go into anyfurther detail about that.
I also noticed she appeared tobe in a daze as I spoke to her.
I had to ask her the samequestion several times to get a
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response.
The victim attributed theaccident to having a lot on her
mind.
The victim agreed to go withSunstar to Morton Plant Hospital
to speak to a counselor.
I had no further contact withthe victim.
Abraham Aurich (04:35):
Paramedic for Sunstar Ambulance, bonnie
Portolano's recollection of theevents on November 18, 1995.
Bonnie Portolano and herpartner responded to a motor
vehicle accident at theintersection of Bellevue and
Fort Harrison.
While assisting the ClearwaterFire Department with patients'
refusal from the first accident,another minor accident occurred
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at the same intersection.
The Fire Department alsorequested that Bonnie and her
partner handle this refusal forthis second incident.
During the interactions, bonnienoticed one of the individuals
involved was new to the area andstruggling to recall her
address.
The woman, Lisa, mentioned thatmailing anything to a Texas
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address would eventually reachher, although the address is not
crucial for refusal.
Bonnie found it odd butproceeded with the necessary
paperwork.
As Bonnie and her partnerreturned to their ambulance, her
partner remarked on Lisa'speculiar behavior, referring to
it as their crazy call of theday.
However, things took a dramaticturn when Bonnie's partner
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spotted Lisa undressing in theside view mirror.
Disbelieving at first, bonniequickly realized the situation
when Lisa walked past herambulance completely naked.
Acting swiftly, bonnie exitedthe ambulance to guide Lisa away
from traffic.
Lisa, complying, explained thatshe took her clothes off
because she was in OT and wantedpeople to think she was crazy
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so they would help her.
Bonnie, unfamiliar with theterm OT, focused on ensuring
Lisa's safety in getting herinto the ambulance.
Inside the ambulance, lisaexpressed feelings of being a
bad person due to having badthoughts and actions in her mind
.
Bonnie covered Lisa with asheet and continued to ask her
about her well-being.
Lisa mentioned a significantconcern about taking her eyes
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off the object, a statementBonnie didn't fully understand
at the time.
The police officers who hadgathered Lisa's clothing waited
outside the ambulance to see ifLisa needed to be transported
under the Baker Act.
Lisa eventually agreed to govoluntarily and Bonnie assured
the police that no Baker Act wasnecessary.
Lisa's request for her card tobe towed to a specific address
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on Osceola hinted at herconnection with Scientology.
Throughout their conversation,lisa displayed signs of mental
confusion, struggling withsimple questions and often
needing to be prompted to openher eyes to answer them.
Despite this, she revealed thatshe worked for a publishing
company on Lakeview and that sheliked her job.
Lisa's mental state seemed tofluctuate, showing apparent
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distress and fatigue.
Bonnie and her partnertransported Lisa to Morton Plant
Hospital where they debriefedthe nurse on Lisa's condition
and her desire for help.
Bonnie felt deeply concernedfor Lisa, sensing something
special about her and hoping shewould receive the necessary
care.
Bonnie recalls that after theinitial assessment, a group of
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Scientologists had arrived atthe emergency room and taken
Lisa away, despite her apparentneed for further evaluation.
Bonnie expressed frustrationover the situation, comparing it
to returning a battered wife tothe abusive husband situation
comparing it to returning abattered wife to the abusive
husband.
She believed that Lisa'semotional turmoil and the
influence of the Church ofScientology played a significant
role in her distress.
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Lisa's constant reference totaking her eyes off the object
and her self-perceivedwrongdoings highlighted her
internal struggle, somethingBonnie wished she could have
addressed more effectively ifshe had better knowledge of
Scientology at the time.
Ultimately, bonnie's accountpaints a picture of a distraught
woman caught between her needfor help and the pressures of
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her religious affiliations.
Despite Bonnie's best effortsto provide care, the constraints
of the situation and Lisa'ssubsequent return to
Scientologists left her feelinghelpless and deeply saddened by
the outcome.
Sandi McKenna (08:27):
The Recollection of Kim Brennan.
Kim Brennan, a paramedic withthree and a half years of
experience at Morton PlantHospital and a background as a
firefighter paramedic at theNewport Ritchie Fire Department,
detailed her experience with apatient brought in by EMS on
November 18, 1995.
Morton Plant was her first jobin an emergency room as she was
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also furthering her education tobecome a registered nurse.
On the night of November 18,1995, ems personnel brought in a
young woman involved in a minormotor vehicle accident.
The patient, later identifiedas Lisa McPherson, had received
treatment at the scene Shortlyafter she was found walking down
the street naked, stating thatshe did not need her body at
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that time and wanted to talk tosomeone.
Ems then transported her to theMorton Plant Emergency
Department.
Upon arrival, lisa was placedin a bed and Kim began to ask
her several questions.
Kim noted that Lisa kept hereyes closed and spoke very
monotone.
She would only open her eyes oncommand.
Despite this, lisa knew whereshe was, the day and the year.
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Lisa stated that she had walkednaked to make people think she
was crazy and avoid beingarrested.
Kim completed the standardtriage form, asking about Lisa's
mental status and medicalhistory, all of which Lisa
claimed were negative.
Dr Lovett, the emergency roomphysician on duty, examined Lisa
and suggested a psychiatricevaluation due to her
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inappropriate behavior.
Around 10 minutes after the EMSbrought Lisa in, a member of
the Church of Scientologyarrived, claiming that a
psychiatric consult was againstthe religion.
Despite this, dr Lovettinsisted on the evaluation.
Ems personnel informed Kim thatLisa was a Scientologist.
Two more individuals arrived atLisa's bedside, one identifying
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as a member of the congregation.
They were very upset about thepsychiatric evaluation,
reiterating that it was againsttheir practices.
Dr Lovett explained thenecessity of evaluating Lisa's
mental status to them.
Joe, a registered nurse fromthe psychiatric department,
conducted the evaluation,despite the presence of
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Scientologists.
Joe determined that Lisa wasnot a threat to herself or
others, denying any suicidal orhomicidal thoughts.
Lisa expressed a desire to gohome with her friends from the
congregation.
Dr Lovett, after consultingwith another physician,
concluded that Lisa did not meetthe criteria for the Baker Act.
The Scientologists assured themthat they would watch over her
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and handle any problems.
The Scientologists assured themthat they would watch over her
and handle any problems.
Kim prepared an AMA AgainstMedical Advice form for Lisa to
sign, as they felt she neededfurther evaluation.
Lisa signed the form withoutissue and Kim had the two
Scientologists sign as witnesses, given their commitment to her
care.
The Scientologists were adamantand upset about the evaluation.
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Making their opposition clear,kim noted they remained beside
Lisa leaning on a shelf near thebed.
Lisa, meanwhile, provided verylittle information, voluntarily
speaking only when directlyquestioned and keeping her eyes
closed most of the time.
Kim observed that Lisa feltsomewhat comfortable with the
first Scientologist who arrived,whom she identified as a friend
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.
However, after the arrival ofthe other two individuals, the
bedside became silent and Lisadid not engage in further
conversation.
Lisa remained in the ER forabout two hours.
The first Scientologist arrivedapproximately 10 minutes after
Lisa, with the others followingshortly thereafter.
The woman in the blue shirt andthe tall man in the dark
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clothing assured Kim and DrLovett that they would take care
of Lisa and watch over her.
Eventually, somebody broughtclothing for Lisa, though Kim
could not confirm if it was heroriginal clothing or new clothes
.
Kim saw Lisa walk out of theemergency room with the three
Scientologists through thedouble doors towards the exit.
This encounter left Kimreflecting on the unusual and
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concerning circumstances,particularly the strong
opposition from theScientologists regarding the
psychiatric evaluation.
Kim had never experienced suchcontroversy and deeply felt.
Lisa needed to receive propercare.
Abraham Aurich (12:45):
Joe Price's recollection of the events on
November 18, 1995.
Joseph Price worked as aclinical nurse, specialist and
liaison at Morton Plant Hospital.
He had been part of thehospital's team since 1995,
bringing with him 18 years ofexperience as a nurse, most of
which he spent in psychiatry.
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His responsibilities includedperforming psych consults and
psychiatric assessments todetermine whether individuals
met Baker Act criteria.
On the night of November 18th,around 10 pm, joe Price vividly
remembered being called to theemergency room.
Upon arrival, dr Lovett, thedoctor on duty, informed him
that a young lady needed to beassessed.
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This patient, lisa, wasaccompanied by members of the
Church of Scientology, which wasunusual.
Dr Lovett advised that if Joewanted these individuals to
leave, he should ask them andsecurity would be called if
necessary.
When Joe went to the cubicle,he found Lisa lying in bed with
at least three church memberspresent.
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One man dressed in a very nicesuit identified himself as a
lawyer.
Initially he resisted Joe'sattempt to speak with Lisa.
They seemed to believe that Joewas a psychologist or a
psychiatrist.
With Dr Lovett's assistance,joe clarified that he was a
registered nurse and only wishedto ensure Lisa's well-being.
The church members dressed inplain clothes included at least
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one male and one female.
Lisa, a physically healthy36-year-old female of average
height and weight, appearedpassive and pale for a Florida
resident with some freckles.
Joe introduced himself andasked Lisa if she wanted to
speak to him and if she wantedthe others to leave.
She hesitated slightly beforeanswering, a pattern he noticed
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throughout the conversation.
Joe's assessment includedasking about medical problems,
living arrangements and maritalstatus, which Lisa responded
negatively and stated she didn'tmind her friend staying.
During the conversation, joenoticed Lisa crossing her eyes
before answering questions.
When confronted, she explainedit helped her to concentrate
better, which Joe found strange.
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He asked about her psychiatrichistory and current thoughts of
self-harm, both of which shedenied.
He also questioned her abouther reported bizarre behavior of
removing her clothes andrunning down the street after
her car accident.
Lisa explained that she did itto get attention and avoid
arrest.
Lisa did not meet the Baker Actcriteria.
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She was alert and oriented andher memory was intact.
Despite her slow responses, joecompleted his assessment and
reported to Dr Dejani, theon-call psychiatrist, who
concurred that they had no basisto Baker Act.
Lisa.
The church members assured Joethat Lisa would be safe with
them and would not harm herselfor drive again that day, joe
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observed them escort Lisa out ofthe hospital with three church
members on either side of her,giving the impression she was a
prisoner.
Throughout the assessment, joefelt the church member's
presence may have intimidatedLisa, potentially affecting her
responses.
She seemed guarded and fearful.
Though it was unclear whetherthis was due to the car accident
or the church member's presence, joe's gut feeling was that
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Lisa could not speak freely.
Joe noted that Dr Lovett hadreleased Lisa against medical
advice, indicating he believedthat she needed further
evaluation.
While Joe did not conduct aphysical assessment, he observed
no injuries on Lisa's face.
The church members provided nodetails on how they would care
for Lisa, only assuring Joe ofher safety.
(16:18):
Joe's impression as he watchedLisa leave the hospital
accompanied by the churchmembers was one of concern.
Her mental state, as hedocumented, showed no signs of
suicidal or homicidal tendenciesand she was able to think
abstractly.
However, her strange behaviorand slow responses indicated
something was amiss, althoughJoe, not being a psychiatrist,
(16:39):
could not diagnose her condition.
Sandi McKenna (16:42):
Scientology converges on Morton Plant
Hospital.
Soon after Lisa arrived atMorton Plant Hospital, fellow
Scientologists began arriving atthe emergency room.
Benetta Slaughter, lisa's boss,had alerted them.
She had seen Lisa's car at theaccident scene after the
ambulance left and asked apoliceman where the owner was.
(17:02):
He directed her to Morton PlantHospital.
Benetta was covered in paintfrom working on props for a
charity drive and she felt shewasn't in the best condition to
visit a hospital herself.
She also expressed that shejust didn't like hospitals, so
she called other Scientologiststo check in on Lisa.
Among those who responded wereElaine Khodizinski.
Abraham Aurich (17:38):
Alain Khodizinski was a senior case
provider who supervisedministers, which Scientology
calls auditors.
These ministers performedspecial counseling with
parishioners.
These ministers perform specialcounseling with parishioners.
Allen ensured that casesupervisors followed standard
procedures in directing thespiritual counseling.
Each minister has four to tenparishioners at any given time
(18:04):
and each case supervisor has tento twenty ministers.
The security office informedAllen that a parishioner, lisa
McPherson, had some sort ofaccident and was at the hospital
.
He looked to see if he couldsend a minister there, someone
who could go immediately to giveany assistance if needed.
Alan couldn't find anyone so hedecided to go himself.
When he arrived at theemergency room reception desk he
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was met by a man who introducedhimself as Lisa's employer,
david Slaughter.
He asked to see Lisa McPhersonand a few minutes later he was
directed to her location.
She was lying down, but nottotally.
The top of her body waselevated.
She was in conversation withthe male nurse.
He told this nurse that he wasthe minister from the church.
(18:45):
He greeted Lisa and she said hiand smiled, and he noted that
she was very pale.
The nurse introduced himself asJoe and told Alan he needed to
ask Lisa more questions.
Lisa grabbed Alan's hand and heheld it as Joe asked her
questions.
He asked her what is your name,how old are you, what is your
(19:05):
address?
Where do you work?
Have you taken alcohol today?
Or do you take medicine ordrugs?
This type of thing?
Maybe 15 to 20 questions.
Lisa answered the questions.
At one point she told Joe andAlan that she wanted to leave.
She said I want to leave.
I want to go to the church withhim, meaning Alan, according to
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Alan, nurse Joe said that'sfine, all the answers you're
giving me are right, but how doyou explain what you did today,
that you took your clothes offin the street?
In response, lisa said You'reright, this was not a rational
action, I am sorry.
She then followed by saying Iam sorry, I did that.
I think I wanted to create someeffect.
(19:47):
I am sorry, I did it.
It was not rational.
Then she said again but youknow, I don't want to stay here.
I want to go to the hotel onFort Harrison with him, meaning
Alain, I don't want to stay here.
She said again.
So Nurse Jo asked Alain to stepout of the room.
He wanted to ask her somequestions.
Alain left the room but stoodnear the corridor Three to four
(20:09):
minutes later, nurse Jo came outof the room and told Alain that
he saw no need to keep Lisa andthat she'd answered the
questions.
Well, alain said she was notcrying, she was embarrassed,
concerned, perhaps upset.
She didn't want to stay there,which was very clear to Alain.
She wanted to leave and shementioned wanting to rest and
relax.
Three people were in the roomwhile the nurse asked the
(20:36):
questions.
However, two girls were at theentrance of the room.
One of them, alain didn't know.
The other was Scientologydoctor Jean de Caipare.
Alain figured the hospital wassatisfied with whatever
examinations they've done, withno reason to keep her there.
Alain went back to the receptionand saw David Slaughter.
He said he didn't know whathappened between that point and
when she walked out.
(20:57):
When she came out of thehospital reception area about 10
minutes later, alain asked ifshe needed a ride.
Lisa said yes, she wouldappreciate a ride to the Fort
Harrison Hotel.
So Alain gave her a ride anddrove her there.
He dropped her off at the hoteland some hotel staffs were
there.
So he asked could you take herto get a room?
(21:17):
And then Alan went to park hiscar.
Lisa got to a room.
After he parked his car he wentto Lisa's room to check on her.
He asked her if she was goingto be all right there and she
said yes.
Alain said he got the idea thatshe wanted to relax and rest
and be away from work andwhatever.
So he didn't pry, he said Lisalooked more relaxed at that
(21:38):
point and felt she truly wantedto stay there more than anything
else.
She wanted to relax.
After he left her, he returnedto his office and called the
medical liaison office and askedwhoever answered the phone to
check on Lisa and see if sheneeded anything.
Sandi McKenna (21:53):
According to Scientologist Dr Jean de Caipire
, chiropractor, it was nighttimewhen she received a call from
Benetta Slaughter, lisaMcPherson's employer.
Benetta informed her that Lisahad been in an accident and
asked if she could go to thehospital.
Benetta had been working allday and asked if she could go to
the hospital.
Benetta had been working allday and still had paint on her.
She also had a strong aversionto blood and medical situations.
(22:16):
Benetta told her Lisa was atMorton Plain Hospital and
requested that she head overthere.
When she arrived at thehospital she asked if there was
a.
Lisa McPherson admitted DavidSlaughter, benetta's husband,
was there and he told her Lisawas in the emergency room.
She asked if she could go backand see her and they permitted
her to do so.
In the receiving area she sawLisa wearing a hospital gown.
(22:38):
Lisa appeared fine to her.
There was no blood or visibleinjuries.
At that moment she still didn'tknow the details of the
accident.
She was informed that Lisa hadrun into the back of a car or
something.
The next thing she knew Lisahad no clothes on.
She never fully understood thesequence of events, but that was
what she was told.
Another person was there, awoman named Mary, who she
(23:01):
understood to be Bonetta'sassistant.
She was unsure how Mary arrived, but Mary had Lisa's clothes
with her.
It was just Lisa and Mary.
At that point Lisa didn't offeran explanation and perhaps she
didn't give her the opportunityto do so.
She merely told Lisa that shehad messed up.
Lisa didn't seem frightened atall.
The area was bustling withactivity, with people and
(23:23):
doctors constantly moving around.
It was a chaotic environmentwith a sick child suffering from
whooping cough and a lot ofnoise.
They didn't get a chance tohave a proper conversation.
A doctor came in at one point toexamine Lisa's eyes, checking
for head injuries, but therewere no lacerations on her body.
From the time she arrived untilthey left together it felt like
(23:44):
a hand-holding experiencerather than a serious discussion
.
Lisa didn't seem irrational toher.
Lisa cried briefly, perhaps infront of a doctor, but it was
short-lived.
Lisa didn't joke and seemedmore in shock from the accident,
withdrawn and not verytalkative.
Her previous back injury didn'tcome up.
The emergency room doctorsconsulted her only once, asking
(24:06):
her if she knew why Lisa mightneed assistance.
She shared that in July Lisahad issues regulating her salt
and potassium levels due to theheat During her time there.
She didn't have any x-raystaken.
Mary had been with Lisa up tothat point and doctors mainly
conducted reflex and eye tests,finding nothing unusual.
No one asked about herrelationship with Lisa.
(24:29):
When it came time for Lisa'srelease, there were no
significant conversationsbetween Lisa and the doctors.
Lisa signed herself out and shesigned as a witness.
They had a psychiatric nursethere question Lisa to ensure
she was rational.
One of the questions was aboutsaying people in glass houses
shouldn't throw stones, whichLisa answered correctly.
Lisa's minister, mr Kordinsky,arrived at some point.
(24:53):
The doctor asked about hisrelationship with Lisa.
Benetta never showed up, whichshe didn't expect given
Benetta's aversion to suchsituations.
Mary left after the first 20minutes and she didn't see her
again.
After confirming who Kordinskywas, he left the emergency room.
She stayed with Lisa until allthe necessary tests were
(25:13):
completed.
The doctor eventually releasedLisa, advising her not to run in
the streets naked again andimplied she should look after
Lisa.
They signed the correct releaseforms and walked out together.
As they exited she sawKardasinski and another man,
though she was unsure if DavidSlaughter was still there.
Lisa got into Kardasinski's carand she followed him in her car
(25:35):
.
Abraham Aurich (25:36):
According to Judy Goldsberry Weber,
scientologist, medical LiaisonOfficer, judy Goldsberry Weber
was a nurse, respiratorytherapist and an LPN with 35
years experience.
She spent seven years on thestaff of respiratory therapy at
the University of Oregon HealthScience Center in Portland In
(25:56):
five years working with thestate.
Then she moved on to privateduty living with terminally ill
patients until they passed.
Lisa McPherson came into Judy'sMLO office in the summer of
1995.
Lisa was having difficultysleeping and had a loss of
appetite.
Judy discovered that Lisa hadrecently moved from a different
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climate and suggested she see aphysician to see if medical
condition was causing theseissues.
Judy provided her with a listof three doctors.
Lisa returned a couple of dayslater saying she had visited Dr
DeCypere, a chiropractor and anutritionist, who helped her
identify the problem.
Lisa was happy and reportedthat her issues were being
(26:37):
resolved with Dr DeCypere'sprogram to improve her appetite
and sleep.
Two weeks before the accident,lisa attested to Clear.
It was stated that she washappy, elated and bubbly.
The next time Judy saw her wasat the hospital.
Security paged Judy informingher she needed to go to Morton
Plant Hospital immediately.
Though they did not provide aname of a patient At the
(27:00):
hospital, the admitting staffdirected Judy to where Lisa was.
Lisa was in the fast track areaand recognized Judy.
Lisa was nervous but appearedunharmed, though there was a lot
of noise and confusion aroundthem.
Lisa expressed a strong desireto leave the hospital.
Judy spoke with Dr Lovett whowas taking care of Lisa.
Despite his concerns, thepsychiatric evaluator stated
(27:23):
Lisa did not meet the criteriafor psychiatric observation.
Judy asked if there was anyphysical reason to keep Lisa in
the hospital and both the doctorand evaluator confirmed there
was none.
Judy informed Lisa that shewould start the paperwork for
her discharge, which made Lisavery happy.
Judy then told Mr Fontana andother staff members awaiting
(27:44):
outside about the proceedingsfor Lisa's release.
Lisa had been in an accidentand was in a hospital gown, but
someone had her clothes.
Judy walked Lisa out of thehospital, where Lisa walked with
Mr Kartaninsky and Dr DeCaiparetowards the car.
Judy instructed Mr Fontana toensure Lisa went to a place
(28:05):
where she could relax and bequiet, as per doctor's
recommendations.
A few days later Judy inquiredabout Lisa's condition and found
out from her senior, janicethat Lisa had been taken to the
Fort Harrison Hotel.
Janice assured Judy that Lisawas okay and everything was
being taken care of.
Judy asked Janice to tell Lisa.
(28:26):
She said hello and that Lisashould come visit when she felt
better.
Sandi McKenna (28:30):
According to Annie Morrow, annie Morrow's
role involved researching andcollecting information necessary
to provide direction onhandling situations that might
present public relations orlegal challenges for the Church
of Scientology.
Annie doesn't remember exactlywho informed her about a
parishioner being in an accident, but it might have been Brian
(28:51):
Anderson.
She then went to Morton PlantHospital.
Annie had never met LisaMcPherson until the day Lisa
went to Morton Plant Hospitalfollowing her car accident.
Her purpose in going to thehospital was to find out what
was going on, assess if thesituation required the church's
concern and gather informationto handle the matter in a way
that would help Lisa and protectthe church.
(29:13):
Their main concern was thepotential involvement of a
psychiatrist, david Slaughter.
Benetta Slaughter's husband wasat the hospital, as was Jean de
Kuyperay, another parishionerand a chiropractor who had
previously treated Lisa.
After Annie had arrived at thehospital, she believes Emma
Shamehorn was already there,followed by Judy Goldsberry
(29:34):
Weber and Elaine Kortizunski.
It's unusual for such incidentsto happen to a longtime
Scientologist who should be in agood frame ofinski.
It's unusual for such incidentsto happen to a longtime
Scientologist who should be in agood frame of mind.
It's tragic for someone toexperience a mental breakdown.
Annie did not speak to anyoneat the hospital, but Umberto did
.
His goal was to inform thehospital authorities that Lisa
was a Scientologist and, basedon her religious beliefs, would
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not want psychiatric treatmentor medication.
Annie doesn't know who Umbertotalked to or the reaction he
received, but that was hispurpose.
Judy came because she wasfamiliar with the hospital from
previous visits withparishioners and staff for
emergency care.
In the emergency room MaryDeMoss and Jean de Caipare were
present and later AlanKardasinski was able to see Lisa
(30:21):
.
Annie isn't sure if Judyactually saw Lisa.
Annie didn't speak to Lisaherself.
Anything she learned about thesituation came later, before
Lisa was discharged.
Annie was concerned about whereLisa would go, how she would be
cared for and whether sheneeded assistance.
There was some discussion aboutwhere Lisa might stay and it
was decided she shouldn't stayby herself because she was
(30:43):
obviously unstable.
Annie recalls Alain being onthe phone coordinating Lisa's
care and where she should go.
The decision made by those atthe church, rather than by Alain
or Annie, was that Lisa shouldgo to the Fort Harrison for rest
and relaxation.
Mr Kordozinski, in histechnical position, would know
what to do to help someone inLisa's condition.
(31:04):
Lisa walked out of the hospitalwith Jean de Caipare, emma and
Alain.
She got into Alain's car, withEmma and Jean heading to the
Fort Harrison.
Annie then left the hospitaland returned to her office to
start gathering information onLisa.
She compiled various types ofinformation, including
correspondence between Lisa andthe church, and provided it to
(31:25):
her seniors, including Brian.
This information would beuseful to the legal department,
although Annie herself didn't gothrough Lisa's PC folder, and
Lane probably did.
Eventually this information wassent to Los Angeles.
Abraham Aurich (31:39):
Recollection of Humberto Fontana.
Humberto Fontana moved from LAto Clearwater in 1988 to fill
the position of Director ofSocial Reform in the Office of
Special Affairs.
In this role he worked withparishioners to organize
community activities aimed athelping in various areas such as
drug rehabilitation, literacystudy technology and exposing
(32:02):
psychiatry violations of humanrights.
Through the Citizens Commissionof Human Rights, his main focus
was to engage parishioners'interest in community
involvement.
In the Office of SpecialAffairs in Clearwater, humberto
worked alongside Brian Anderson,mary Story, annie Mora, alice
Herbin, glenn Stalo, ben Shawand his wife.
(32:23):
Humberto received word thatLisa McPherson had been taken to
Morton Plant Hospital.
He recalls coming into theoffice in the afternoon when
either his wife or Annie Moramentioned that a parishioner had
been involved in a car accidentand had been taken to Morton
Plant.
He was told there was someissue with her taking her
clothes off.
He then decided that he shouldgo to the hospital.
(32:45):
At the hospital, umbertoencountered Annie Mora who had
likely driven herself there.
Several other people from thechurch were present, including
Judy Goldberry Weber andpossibly Emma Shamehorn.
He also believed that DavidSlaughter was there, but didn't
recall seeing Elaine Kordesinski.
Upon arriving, humberto spokewith Judy Goldberry Weber.
(33:06):
He asked her how Lisa was doingand if there was a threat of
her being taken to thepsychiatric wing.
Judy said it wasn't determinedyet, which was Humberto's main
concern.
Humberto's main conversation atthe hospital was with Judy,
although he may have brieflyspoken with Emma Shamehorn.
He then spoke to one of thedoctors and a psychiatric nurse,
expressing his concern thatLisa shouldn't be admitted to
(33:28):
the psychiatric wing based ontheir belief that psychiatry
does more harm than good.
In his fear that she might beharmed or raped.
Humberto didn't speak to Lisadirectly, but knew she was a
church member and opposed topsychiatric treatment.
He had been informed by eitherEmma or Judy that Lisa had been
released.
He said he saw her walking outwith a couple of people.
(33:50):
After leaving the hospital,humberto returned to the Fort
Harrison.
He spoke with one of thesecurity guards, confirming that
Lisa had been released and waseither on her way or had already
arrived at the Fort Harrison,which surprised him as he didn't
know why she was going there.
Several people were taking careof Lisa.
Aline Kardasinski, the seniorcase supervisor, was responsible
(34:12):
for the technical matters ofher counseling.
Humberto recalled being briefedby either Annie or his wife
that Lisa wanted to go in forcounseling, but was unable to do
so because she wasn't restingwell.
To his knowledge, no one fromhis office went to see her.
Sandi McKenna (34:28):
According, to Emma Louise Shamehorn.
Emma Louise Shamehorn moved toClearwater on April 23, 1987 to
join the Sea Organization.
Prior to that, she and herhusband owned a small aviation
business in Alberta, canada, for20 years until their separation
.
After that she worked invarious office roles, such as
(34:49):
secretary and receptionist AtFlag.
Emma served as the publicmedical liaison officer, acting
as a bridge between publicindividuals receiving services
at the church and the medicalprofession.
She held that position forapproximately eight years,
despite not having specificmedical training.
Public Scientologists pay fortheir own medical care, while
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the church covers medicalexpenses for its staff.
The first time Emma met LisaMcPherson was at Morton Plan
Hospital.
Her son-in-law, nick McFarlane,drove her to the hospital and
dropped her off at the door.
She didn't realize Lisa hadwrecked her car, but was there
because her beeper indicatedthat a public person at the
hospital needed attention.
In the waiting room or hallwayshe saw Umberto Fontana, judy
(35:34):
and possibly Annie Mora.
Emma's purpose was to assesswhat help Lisa required and
fulfill her role as the medicalliaison officer.
Although she didn't speakpersonally to Lisa, she was
shown to Lisa's room where apsychiatric nurse and Elaine
Kordosunsky were present.
There may have been anotherperson, possibly Dr de Kuyperer,
(35:54):
but Emma wasn't quite sure.
The nurse asked to speak toLisa alone, so Emma and the
others stepped into the hallway.
Judy Goldsberry Weber arrived,mentioning she knew the doctor
and would speak to him.
Shortly after Judy came out andinformed them that Lisa was
being released, they all leftwith Lisa.
At that point they divided intocars, and Emma riding in the
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back to the Fort Harrison withMr Kardasunski and Lisa.
It wasn't until they arrived atthe hotel that they were
informed which room Lisa wouldbe staying in.
Janet Herring met them at theentrance and directed them to
the specific room in the cabanasat the back of the hotel.
Emma assisted Lisa to the room.
Lisa was calm and quiet andappeared healthy At that point.
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Lisa had few belongings withher, possibly just a purse,
though Emma couldn't recallexactly.
Her things were reportedlybrought to the hotel by Benetta
Slaughter, although Emma did notsee them delivered herself.
Lisa's bags were in the closetthe next time Emma entered the
room.
Abraham Aurich (36:55):
We have questions.
Why did Lisa's behavior changeso drastically after the car
accident?
What could have triggered sucha severe response, and why was
she struggling so much toarticulate her thoughts and
feelings?
Sandi McKenna (37:08):
What role did Scientology's practices play in
Lisa's decision to undress inpublic?
Was this a cry for help or amanifestation of deeper
psychological distressexacerbated by her involvement
with the church?
Abraham Aurich (37:22):
How did the presence of multiple
Scientologists at the hospitalinfluence the medical staff's
decision?
Were the medical professionalscoerced or intimidated into
releasing Lisa prematurely?
Sandi McKenna (37:34):
Why was Lisa's request for possible help at the
hospital so vehemently opposedby the Scientologists present?
How does this reflect onScientology's broader stance
towards mental health andpsychiatric care?
Abraham Aurich (37:48):
What were the implications of the
Scientologists' promise to carefor Lisa after her release?
Did they have proper trainingor resources to handle her
condition, and why did theychoose to take on this
responsibility?
Sandi McKenna (38:00):
How did the medical staff reconcile Lisa's
apparent mental distress withher lucid moments?
Was there enough evidence tojustify a more thorough
psychiatric evaluation, despiteher periods of coherence?
Abraham Aurich (38:14):
What was the significance of Lisa's comment
about being an OT and her needto make people think she was
crazy?
How do these statements relateto Scientology's teachings and
practices?
Sandi McKenna (38:24):
Why did the hospital agree to release Lisa
into the care of non-medicalpersonnel?
What were the legal and ethicaloversights in this decision?
Abraham Aurich (38:33):
What impact did Lisa's prior interactions with
the church have on her mentalstate during the hospital visit?
Can we draw a line between herprevious experiences and her
actions on November 18, 1995?
Sandi McKenna (38:45):
How does this case highlight the potential
conflicts between religiousfreedom and medical ethics?
Should there be more stringentguidelines when dealing with
cases involving controversialreligious organizations?
Abraham Aurich (38:58):
These are the questions that continue to haunt
those seeking justice for LisaMcPherson.
The intricacies of her casereveal not only the personal
struggles of one woman, but alsothe broader implication of
institutional practices in thefine line between religious
belief and the medicalresponsibility.
As we delve deeper into thisharrowing story, we aim to
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uncover the truth and shed lighton the dark corners of Lisa's
final days.
Sandi McKenna (39:26):
Coming up.
Next, on Sins of Scientology,we bring you part three of our
series on Lisa McPherson.
We will walk you through thefinal 17 days of Lisa's life,
spent under the close watch offellow Scientologists.
What happened behind the closeddoors of the Fort Harrison
Hotel?
How did a woman seeking helpend up losing her life under
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such mysterious circumstances?
Stay tuned as we continue touncover the disturbing details
and lingering questionssurrounding Lisa McPherson's
tragic end.
Abraham Aurich (39:58):
Thank you for joining us on this episode of
Sins of Scientology.
Today we've peeled back anotherlayer on the troubling events
surrounding Lisa McPherson'slife and untimely death.
The details and testimonieswe've examined raise critical
questions about the influence ofScientology over its members
and the length they will go tomaintain control.
(40:18):
In our next episode, we'lldelve deeper into the final 17
days of Lisa's life.
This is Sandy McKenna and I amAbraham Ulrich.
Until next time, keepquestioning, keep seeking, and
may your journey be as rich andenlightening as the stories you
(40:39):
encounter.
The Children of Scientolo (40:40):
Thank you, the Thank you.
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