Off The Cuff

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to our first episode of Off the Cuff conversations
with Sean and John about Vegas news, strange headlines, case updates,
and whatever else we feel like talking about. I'm your host, Sean,
and I'm your co host John. If this is your
first episode of Sins and Survivers, I feel like I
need to apologize because this is a departure from what

(00:39):
our episodes usually sound like. We've received really good feedback
of the style of our bonus episodes, our swingshift episodes
where John and I just kind of talked about what
went into making the episodes. So we thought this could
be a great way to do case updates or talk
about headlines that come up in the news that we'd
never made into a full episode either because they're not

(01:02):
really one hundred percent true crime related, They're not on
topics we would normally cover on the podcast, and if
we recorded a just like a short five minute episode,
I think our hosting company would probably put as many
ads in the episode as yeah, and it would just
kind of drown out that content. So John and I

(01:24):
kind of put our heads together and we said it
would be easy for us to find the time during
you know, during the month, to record one episode where
we just kind of keep track of different things that
have come up for us that we want to talk about,
and we updates we want to share with you. So
this is our first one, so we yes that this

(01:45):
is that if you are, like I said, if you're
nudisans and survivors, I recommend you listen to the previous
episode that came out about Linda Wise, or the episode
we did at the beginning of the month about Sazi,
or any other literally almost any episode.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
How many now a lot ninety five.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, to get a sense of what our typical case coverages.
But we expect to do one of these maybe once
a month, and we do have some case updates for
you and some other true crime related stories in this episode.
So I guess we'll get started. And I'm sure I
sound much happier than usual because John and I are

(02:24):
still very much riding the high today when we're recording
this it's October eleventh, and John, you want to share
with the people what happened last night last night.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So we are Las Vegas Aces season ticket holders, so
we go to most of the home games. I think
we only missed one or two maybe two, yeah, of
this year's home games. So we are big fans of
the Las Vegas Aces. And last night, for the third

(02:53):
time in four years, they won the WNBA Championship, and
we are pretty darn excited for them. So if you
are from another WNBA city, specifically Minnesota, New York, or
God help us Phoenix, our thoughts and prayers are with you.
If you're from Phoenix, we're sorry about that. But it
was a great series and we really really enjoy watching them.

(03:17):
We're excited for next year.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Absolutely, all right, So should we get into our first yes.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So this was something that you looked into and you
wanted to share with me, So I'm gonna let you talk.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yes. So the first thing is that recently, in August
of twenty twenty five, Nevada State government was hit by
a major ransomware attack. Originally it was just called a
cyber attack, but they specified later that it was actually
a ransomware attack. There was no information about what ransom,
if any was demanded, or if it was paid, but

(03:51):
it took out many of the websites in the Nevada
state government, phone lines, it took down somehow state service,
and it is the one of the largest state level
cyber incidents that we've seen recently. And they did confirm
that data has been stolen from the various different agencies.

(04:12):
So we're going to talk about what happened, what's known
about the stolen data, what you can do to protect yourself,
and where to find various updates. We set up a
link so you can see the recovery effort on the
Nevada government page at sinspod dot co slash nv hack Recovery,
so you can click that and see the latest updates there.

(04:34):
So what happened was they discovered the attack on the
weekend of August twenty fourth and twenty fifth, when the
IT department for the state noticed unusual activity and shut
down systems to stop all that stuff from propagating. So
it took down websites, as we said, phone systems, and
internal agencies tools across Nevada, so that included the DMV.

(04:57):
I believe wick payments were interrupted. Yeah, it was a
huge problem, and they called it a ransomware style intrusion.
So files were encrypted and data was removed from the servers.
So that's not good. So they didn't just lock up
our systems, they actually stole information. So, like I said, DMV,
Department of Insurance and Licensing and administrative departments confirmed that

(05:20):
they all had disruptions. All sorts of online portals and
scheduling systems went downstate wide. You couldn't get a new license.
The DMV was literally shuttered. They could not do anything.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
And they just wouldn't even let people come to the
locations because they couldn't even They couldn't do anything for folks.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
As they recovered, they started doing things using paper and
oh that was oh my god. Yeah, so they had
limited services like issuing new licenses and things like that,
but mostly it was completely shut down. Governor Lombardo activated
what apparently they have emergency IT protocols and created a
public recovery hub, which is that site that I mentioned before.

(05:58):
Federal partners, including the CSIA, which is the Cybersecurity and
Infrastructure Security Agency, joined the investigation and the online recovery,
So we do know that data was stolen, and ninety
percent of the public facing websites were restored by late September.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So that was like a month.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
They were down for weeks, like things were down for weeks.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know, they announced that there was going to be
a waiver of fees, like if it was your car
registration was due and it was late, like they were
giving people like a moratorium.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Or what down on that weave all those sorts of
fees because people did like if your registration was expired,
that's it, you start getting fees accrued. So they did
waive those, which is nice. And as far as the
scope of data that was taken, it was from the DMV,
so we're not sure whether it was social security numbers,
driver's license data, addresses, insurance information. We don't know how
many records were affected or how many people were affected.

(06:49):
And we still don't know the identity of the attackers.
But I do suspect that we will eventually know the
identity of the attackers because we just learned recently the
identity of the attack actors of the MGM Cybersecurity. Although
that young man turned himself in eventually, yeah he did,
so eventually, we do tend to catch these people, so

(07:12):
hopefully we will catch that person. But because it was
the DMB and insurance systems, we suspect that the stolen
data likely includes PII personally identifiable information like names, addresses,
driver's license, vehicle registration details always not sure exactly what
people want with that, and maybe insurance related records. So

(07:34):
the state's recovery portal continues to update to let you
know what the agent's recovery status is and the status
of all the systems. It looks like everything is back
online now, and some internal databases are still offline for
security audits.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I know this directly affected us and our work on
the podcast because we couldn't access any court records.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Oh yes, Jucial district site was down as well, and
also the inmates the list of inmates in at the
state level.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Do you know if that came back up. I'm gonna
look right now.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't know if it came back up, but you
can check it out. So the eighth Judicial District is
where we get a lot of our court records for
criminal cases, and then of course we look suspects up
who are in DOC custody. So there's a site for
that and it was down.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, it's finally back up.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh that's good. But the state officials did warrant that
a full forensic analysis will take weeks or months, and
the public disclosure of details will only come after investigators
confirm which systems were breached and what data was stolen.
So no information about a ransom payment or a hacker

(08:40):
group responsible has been publicly identified as of this month.
And as far as what you can do to protect yourself,
you can always review the envy haack Recovery sinspod dot
co slash env Hack Recovery to see the status of
what's going on with the websites. I would recommend changing
your passwords if you have a log into one of

(09:02):
these sites. There's not much you can do about other
public information if it's been if it's been compromised, you know,
unless you want to move or something. But I wouldn't
really recommend that. If there's multi factor authentication available, I
recommend that the DMV site here in Nevada doesn't use
a password user aady password system. It uses a license

(09:26):
number and then you enter your license number and then
they email you a code to log in, so there's
no password so that changes every time, so you don't
have to worry about that. But if there's a site
you use that uses multi factor authentication, definitely recommend leveraging that.
Always also monitor your credit and financial accounts. So we

(09:46):
always review our credit reports yearly from Equal Facts, Experience,
and TransUnion. And you always have the option of temporarily
freezing your credit to prevent new accounts from being opened
under your name. We always do that as well. So
my credit is always frozen because it doesn't need to
be unfrozen for anything unless I'm out, you know, buying

(10:07):
a car or applying for a mortgage or something, So
that's always locked. And I kind of recommend that. Also
be alert for scams and phishing in your email, So
emails that look suspicious and you know, potentially are trying
to get your information. We see a lot of those.
I get a lot of text messages like that, like

(10:28):
the California Department of Transportation. I also let you know
that you are overdue for a payment. Click here to
enter your information to pay your you know, to pay
your overdue fees. Always be on the lookout for phishing
attacks like that. You can consider enrolling in credit or
identity monitoring. That's something we also do and then report

(10:49):
suspicious activity, so you can go to identity theft dot
gov or the FBI's IC three dot gov portal if
you notice identity misuse or fraud attempts.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Awesome, that's really helpful.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
So going forward, I guess expect more detailed disclosures once
they finish their forensic analysis, and they may announce a
credit monitoring program for specific people that are affected. That's
pretty common. If your data get stolen, you usually can
get free data monitoring for two years from one of
the major credit unions. That's pretty common, and the best

(11:20):
way to track information is to check out since pod
dot co slash env hack Recovery. The next update we
want to share is about Leslie Palasio.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think any of our longtime listeners are familiar with
Leslie Pelacio's story. Leslie was killed on August twenty ninth
of twenty twenty and the one and only suspect in
her murder, eric Rangel Labara. He fled the country shortly

(11:49):
after Leslie was killed, and he was recently extradited back
to the US. He was arrested in August twenty twenty four,
just extradited last this August, so August of twenty twenty five,
and if you haven't listened to the full case coverage,
we did a flashback episode with updates just a couple

(12:12):
months ago when he was finally extradited, and you can
find that at sinspod dot co. Slash Leslie Flashback. Leslie
is spelled l Sly, so Leslie Flashback where we left
off with Eric. He pleaded not guilty to murder and
destroying evidence and he's being held without bail. But we
learned in late September that when Leslie was killed, he

(12:38):
was already on probation. So Eric had been pulled over
in twenty eighteen for speeding and driving erratically, and when
they pulled him over, the cops noticed he was doing
something weird and like the side panel of his car
his car door, and they discovered that he was trying
to conceal a gun. Eric is what considered under American

(13:02):
immigration rules. He's considered a dreamer, so his family brought
him to the US when he was a young child,
and his citizenship status is they call it DACA DACA
Deferred Action on Child on Children, so he is not
a full US citizen and on some level he's undocumented.

(13:25):
So because of that, I did not realize that this
was part of US immigration law. He's not allowed to
own a gun period and he didn't have a permit
for it anyway. So when he was pulled over in
twenty eighteen, he was charged with having a gun without
a permit, and due to those violations in twenty nineteen,

(13:46):
he was put on probation, and as a condition of
that probation, he was ordered to do a bunch of things,
one of them being comply with anything Ice was telling
him to do. But he was also ordered to hold
a job, but abstain from drinking and using drugs. Drinking
alcohol and using drugs. So the judge just last month,

(14:08):
September of twenty twenty five, found that Eric had violated
his prole by drinking the night of Leslie's murder. There
is that footage of him in the casinos and he's drinking.
It's known that he had been drinking, so based on
that alone, she sentenced him to a year in jail
right now, which he's currently serving, which doesn't really matter

(14:29):
because he's already being held without bail pending Leslie's trial.
But Yeah, I just found that interesting that he I
don't think we talked about that in the early episodes
that he had. I don't even want to call it
a criminal history, because I mean, so many people speed
or don't seem to change lanes erradically or whatever. And

(14:51):
his immigration status hardly matters when it comes to what
happened to Leslie. It's not really relevant.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Only that it made him, made it so that he
was on on parole when he committed this crime. Yeah,
and probably I'm guessing when this happened he said, you know,
his family said to him, you're already on parole, and
that's why he ran.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Possibly possibly, yeah, yeah, even if. Yeah, So that's kind
of where Eric Eric and Leslie's trials start stands. Right now,
he is being held without bail. He'll have another appearance
in front of the judge in December kind of to

(15:36):
check trial readiness. But the trial is set to begin
in August of twenty twenty six, and we all know
in all the cases we've covered on the podcast, the
likelihood of it starting in August of twenty twenty six,
a year after is slimed. There could be more continuances,
There could be a plea. A lot can happen between
now and then, but his immigration see.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Him pleading guilty just like his dad did to some
lesser charge possibly.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right, and we already know We've talked about this beforeward extradition.
He can't be sentenced to life. He's not going to
be sentenced to life.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
They obviously know that.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, And with the immigration situation in the United States
right now, I think he will probably likely be deported
once his sentence is served anyway as well.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Would not be surprised, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Given that he has this. He had this violation when
he was already on a conditional permission to stay in
the US, and now he has this, I don't Yeah,
So I wanted to share that update because I thought
that was kind of an interesting situation that technically, right
now Eric is in prison for things that happened, you know,

(16:43):
on the night that Leslie was murdered, but he's.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Still being held for the murder. And when he does
finally get sentenced, he will get some number of whatever days, years,
what have you, in jail, and he will be given
credit for time served for the time he has held
that is not because of his parole violation. Yeah, and
then likely. We suppose he will be released and then

(17:10):
probably deported.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, it's it's sounding that way.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
So the next one we want to cover is about
Samari Norris Johnson. We covered him back in April of
twenty twenty four and what happened to him. The link
for that is sinspod dot com slash twenty five if
you want to go back and listen to that original episode.
We also did a flashback episode on that where we
updated a little bit, probably I think a year later.

(17:39):
Kind of every October week tend to bring this one
up again. So it's been a year and a half
since the episode. In two years since you know, the incident,
what happened to him and his family's still waiting for answers,
So we will review a little bit about what happened,
who he was, and update you on where the case stands.

(17:59):
Samori he was a seventeen year old Desert Pines High
football and track star, incredibly well loved, tons of friends.
We went to his memorial on the anniversary on Halloween
of last year, and his like the number of people
that were there, his schoolmates, his girlfriend, his mom, you know,

(18:23):
his family. He had a huge amount of people there.
For him. He was so well loved. He was just
the kind of person that people loved and followed. They
moved to Las Vegas in twenty sixteen, and he was
kind of a fixture in their community as sort of
a sports star, an up and coming sports star. On

(18:44):
Halloween twenty twenty three, he was shot and killed in
North Las Vegas. He was out with some friends trick
or treating and there was some sort of an incident
with another group of trick or treaters. We're not really
sure exactly what happened, but possibly Samari and his friends
were being teenagers and running around and maybe they frightened

(19:05):
someone who was who they knew, who was trigger treating,
we don't really know, and it led to gunfire, and
unfortunately Samari was killed on the scene. There are a
lot more details which we won't cover here, but you
know we did cover that in our original episode in January.
We talked about this in our update January twenty twenty four.

(19:28):
A sixteen year old was arrested in connection with the shooting,
but he was only charged with discharging a firearm at
an occupied vehicle and possession of a firearm by a
miner and carrying a concealed weapon, but no homicide or
murder charge has been reported publicly, and since he was
a juvenile, we have no information about that. And in fact,
we originally covered this as a part of Victim's Rights Week,

(19:53):
and one of the rights of victim's families is to
get information about the case of their family member who
affected by violence, and they are not being given those rights.
And I think the state is hiding behind the fact
that this sixteen year old is a juvenile, so we
don't know his name, we don't anything about him. But

(20:13):
they say that North Las Vegas says the case is
still active and ongoing, and that's really where the updates stop. Yeah,
so they've gotten nothing from North Las Vegas police or
the District Attorney's office. We have reached out to the
DA ourselves, Oh.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, and the ATNY State Attorney General or the AG
right always ye reached out to I did, and I
don't think I asked that they please reach out to
his mom and just whatever it is. I think a
lot of times people who are survivors and victims of
these crimes, they just want to talk to somebody, They

(20:50):
just want to feel heard. And I had hoped that
someone from the office would reach out to her, but
as far as I know, that didn't happen. I did
reach out to her myself just week just to see
how she was doing and send our love because not
only did Samori with Samori murdered in October, but his
birthday also is in October, right, so it's a very

(21:11):
heavy month for his family, and we're just always thinking
about them. It's hard not to think about them this
time of year, especially high school football seasons in full swing.
And yeah, this was a real loss for our community.
The juvenile who was arrested is probably no longer a
juvenile and he's probably served his time and is probably
moving on with whatever happened. Yeah, if only we knew

(21:32):
if that, if that boy was just was even responsible
for the shooting, it's I don't even know if that's
even clear he was. Like you said, he wasn't charged
with assault or not murder or secondary murder volunteer like
anything homicide related. It's hard to know what really happened,
and we probably won't, and I think that's just devastating

(21:53):
for Samori's mom and girlfriend, with all his loved ones,
his grandpa.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
But if anyone out there does happen to know anything
about this shooting, definitely come forward to the North Las
Vegas Police Department or crime stoppers where you can remain anonymous.
And remember, these people aren't just numbers and statistics. Samari
deserves justice and his family deserves answers.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So we're thinking about you, Samri's loved ones and all
his friends and his high school buddies. Everyone is just
a tough time of year.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
The next one we have is a case that involves
some domestic violence, but we're not really focusing on that
aspect of it. Interestingly, this is the case of an
incident where Henderson police officer shot a dog. So the
incident happened Friday night, September fifth, around nine pm near

(22:43):
Patty Ann Woods Drive and Mission Drive in Henderson's that's
right off of so not too far from where we live.
And what happened was Rebecca Bobowski, who owns this dog
named Bruno, was not at home that night, so she
was range from her significant other, her partner, Nick Dornan.

(23:04):
They had had some domestic violence incidents in the past,
they had broken up. She was staying with her brother,
so she was not home that night, he was there
with their three kids and the two dogs. So inside
the house with the two dogs Bruno, a white and
brown boxer dogo Argentino mix who was around one hundred pounds,
and a smaller gray pit bull named Pepper. Around seven o'clock,

(23:27):
Rebecca received a text from Nick saying that he had
fallen down. She texted him back and didn't get any answers,
so she got worried. So she knew that sometimes he
drank heavily, and she thought he might have hurt himself,
and the kids were in the house, so she was concerned.
She called nine to one one and asked for a
wellness check, and she told the dispatcher that there are
two dogs in the home, but they were friendly. She

(23:48):
even gave specific instructions to the dispatcher that if the
dogs barked or got loud, just call their names Bruno
and Pepper and they would calm down. Dispatch told them
not to worry that responders were used to dogs. The
fire department arrived first, followed by the police department, including
Officer Christian Sallas. They made contact with Nick and he

(24:10):
was intoxicated and belligerent and refused medical assistance, and because
of a prior domestic violence incident in June, there was
a no contact order between Rebecca and Nick, so she
wasn't even supposed to be there, but she was already
on her way because she was concerned about the scene.
In the official account, it says that after refusing help,

(24:31):
Nick told the officers to leave and they walked outside.
Officer Sallis wrote in his incident report that as he
was reaching his car, he heard a door open and
the thumping footsteps of a dog running up behind him,
and he claims he saw Bruno sprinting toward him aggressively,
snarling and lunging, and he thought he couldn't outrun the dog,

(24:52):
so he jumped into the road and shot the dog.
And they said that Bruno died almost immediately.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So Bruno was big dog.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was one hundred pound.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I know you've talked before about how volunteering at
the animal shelter helped you understand that just because the
dog is big doesn't mean a dog is dangerous. And
it seems like this this poor dog was just like
a victim of like his breed or his size.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yes, and it's not clear how he got out One
of the neighbors, Amber Sidel, told investigators that she saw
the incident and Bruno didn't appear aggressive, just curious, so
she said, obviously, the officer obviously knew nothing about animal behavior,
and he shot and killed the dog because of his
own fear.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Of course, Nick also disputed the account, saying Bruno had
simply run up to the officer to play with him,
and he can be heard on a voicemail moments after
the shot calling Bruno's name, confused and panicked, and a
female officer can be heard in the background saying why
do you let the dog out, and Nick replied, he
just slipped past me. He's not aggressive at all, and

(25:57):
police detained him that night citing intoxication and emotional distress,
but he wasn't arrested. During all this, Rebecca is on
her way to the house and when she gets there,
the scene was taped off and she finds out that
her dog has been shot by Henderson police. Rebecca told
the reporters that Bruno was gentle and loving and protective
of her children, especially patient around smaller kids and animals.

(26:18):
His best friend was a duck named Abby who lived
in their backyard and she had a whole wall of
photos of him when the reporters met with her, including
his including his ashes, so they created a whole memorial.
They had pictures of him wearing a Christmas sweater and
wearing a cowboy hat that said Sheriff on it, and

(26:41):
dressed as the Grinch. Henderson Police have declined to comment,
citing policies. Not surprised, and they said bodycam footage wouldn't
likely be available until December of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
How could that possibly be true.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well, they have to redact the footage and edit it
to make it look like the officer wasn't at fault.
Guess I don't trust that footage at all. Their department
policy allows deadly forced against an animal if an officer
reasonably believes, which is of course subjective, that the animal
may cause great bodily harm if not controlled. Whether or
not that standard met is under dispute and obviously really

(27:17):
hard to prove. So as far as the shooting of
dogs go, incidents like this are not at all isolated.
These are very common. In twenty thirteen, some of the
statistics I found were that in twenty thirteen, North Las
Vegas police reported using deadly force against nine dogs, seven
of whom died. The Review Journal documented multiple cases that

(27:38):
led Nevada lawmakers to propose mandatory training for officers and
animal behavior, and metro logged five shootings in twenty eleven,
one fatal and six in twenty twelve. We don't really
have updated information past that, though. There are watchdog groups
out there that estimate thousands of pet dogs are shot
each year by law enforcement, often during welfare checks or

(28:02):
minor calls.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
So it's not just they think these dogs are aggressive
or the homeowners are sending them out to attack people.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, often they have been called specifically by a homeowner
for some sort of minor thing and they end up
shooting the dog. This is another reason that I will
not call the cops right.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
It seems like it's an issue of them being fearful
of animal sizes or different breeds and lack of training
on their part, which is crazy to me because we
have animal control officers that are under the police department
and canine officers who work with dogs all the time.
It seems like a very simple cross training moment to
help everyone at all.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, it's apparent, and even the canine officers there are
cases in Las Vegas where officers have shot canine dogs. Obviously,
in the reports, large breed dogs like boxers, pitbulls, German shepherds,
and dogo Argentinas are disproportionately represented, and not necessarily because
they're more aggressive, just because they look more intimidating. And

(29:00):
officers often read misread canine body language and they misinterpret
curiosity or excitement as aggression. Especially I can see they
might mischaracterize excitement as aggression. And most jurisdictions, including Nevada,
pets are considered property, so legal recourse is limited to
monetary value, not emotional loss.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Of course that makes sense, which.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Of course part of the outrage that follows these shootings.
Families lose a loved companion and the law doesn't treat
it like that. And you always see this contrast between
the official narrative and the eyewitness accounts the dog charged,
the dog was aggressive, the dog was snarling, and the
eyewitness accounts, which are the dog was curious and the
dog was not aggressive and there was no reason to

(29:42):
shoot the dog. It's very often something like that, there's
no transparency. They often fall back on the policy and
they cover themselves with the language of the policy.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, all of this started as a wellness check and
ended with this poor family being traumatized, this being killed
in the street. Yeah, when police incidents where humans are
shot and killed, if police fall back on their policies,
it's always subjective of what the officer felt in the
moment his or her life was in danger, that it

(30:14):
was self defense, the shooting was justified. It's not unexpected
if human life is not given that respect and that
scrutiny when there's a shooting, they would it would never
happen with an animal.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
One of the things you can do as a pet owner,
if you are especially a large breed pet owner, is
to have a plan for something like this if the
police or the fire department or paramedics come to your house. We,
for example, have gates everywhere in our house, so if
someone opens the front door and walks in, the dogs

(30:46):
are twenty feet from them behind a gate, they cannot
get to the officers. So you can put a gate
around your door so they can't escape inadvertently, and apparently
what happened was the dog just got past him, was
curious and ran out. That happens all the time. That's
how dogs get lost, and if there's someone in the art,
of course, the dogs are going to run up to

(31:06):
that person. Having a screen door, having a gate in
an area around your door. We have an air lock everywhere,
so like we have a door to the garage, a
gate on the laundry room preventing them from coming into
the laundry room. So if the garage door is open
and someone comes in through the garage, the dogs are
not right there. They are a good few feet away
behind a gate.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
And if you don't have those gates, you could You
should think about a kennel for your dog, like just
a kennel that you keep by the door, just like
scurry them put them in if someone needs to come
in your house too, in the case of an emergency,
you could do.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
That absolutely, although there have been cases of officers shooting
dogs inside of kennel's sure, so I think the most
important thing is to have a space where the dogs
can be far away from the officers. Yep, that's going
to reduce the likelihood, but it's not going to prevent them.
Like if they if they see a dog they don't

(32:01):
like and they think looks violent. I can't imagine a
Copple hesitate to discharge a firearm in your house and
shoot your dog. They just don't care.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And we all know that even the best trained dogs
can get aggravated when it's an emotionally tense situation and
they're strangers in your house, right, I mean, that's just
even the best trained dogs are going to have their moments.
I'm very sorry for this family and for this woman.
I mean, given that she was going through all of

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this with this DV situation, and then also her trying.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
To the DV situation, they were going through.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Her trying to do the right thing. Yeah, I do
wonder how much the DV situation colored how the officers
arrived at the scene as well, because I think it's
not uncommon for them to treat DV situations as being very,
very dangerous and to come already at high alert, thinking
that this man has a history of being violent, so

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he's likely to be violent.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
And always on higher alert.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Though I know you're right, I know you're right, but
thank you for of course sharing that sorry goodness. I
don't think I wish I could feel that this this
woman and her family, that they would get some kind
of recourse. But like you said, it's probably.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
If they get anything at the Henderson Police wanting to
talk to them, they said, no one will be made
available to talk about the incident.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Do better better, Henderson Police, do better.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Hopefully. This next topic is a little lighter, But actually,
as I think about it, it's probably not because because
it does deal with a homicide. Cool, But we were
talking about Burning Man a couple months ago. A couple
months ago, and you said, what in the seven plagues

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is going on at Burning Man? And if I don't
know who out there is familiar with Burning Man, this
fust that happens at the end of August every year.
It's out in like the desert of northern Nevada. It's
one hundred miles north of Reno. It's the middle of nowhere.
And the folks who organize it, it's not even exaggeration

(34:14):
to say, they like build a city for the week
of the festival and then take it right back down.
So we're talking. I'm saying city seventy thousand, eighty thousand
people in this area in the desert. They set up
the city is like horseshoe shaped, and then the man
that they burn at the end of Burning Man, which

(34:34):
is like a literal structure that they set on fire.
At the end is like in the middle of that
horseshoe almost more like a like it's kind of shaped,
like you think, like an arena or a what do
they call that an ancient Greece like you know what
I'm talking about, an amphitheater.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
They have this.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's like an amphitheater with the with the burning Man there.
And then they name the streets almost like a sun
dial or a clock, so it's like two o'clock street,
three o'clock street, like to keep to make a city.
And in twenty twenty five the weekend when they were
setting it all up and getting ready for the week
to start, there were terrible storms, so there were high winds.

(35:16):
The orgy tent blew away and could not be constructed
reconstructed for the event this year. I know you were like,
wait a minute, they have an orgy tent. I don't
know why. I was surprised that they'd have an orgy
dent at Burning Man.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I can't believe it's called the orgy tent.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
It might that might just be what I call it.
I don't know. If everyone calls it that, but it's
it's it is a tent and it is it has
mattresses in it and a lot of hand sanitizer and condoms,
and it's very consensual.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Article calls at the orgy Dome what was it called.
That's like the worst Max sequel.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
So it's it's supposed to be very sex positive space
and you have to come with a come with a
partner or partners. When you come into the tent and
there's like there's you're giving me this look you sign forms.
I've never been there. I don't really know. I'm not gonnas,

(36:17):
but like I've just just the you know, so that
the gloves like they got it covered, but they I
guess it was a very disappointing thing that the tent
blew away in the storm this year and they could
not have it, so they had two days of wind.
When they're trying to set it up, there's dust. It's
it's awful. The it took people hours to get in there.

(36:39):
It's only a two lane road to get there, and
we're talking about eighty thousand people trying to get to
the same place. I think it was like nine hours
people waited in traffic to actually get there because the
weather was so bad. The visibility was bad, and then
it started raining like a da luge, Like the desert
was flooded. The part that they call the plaia, which

(37:00):
to my understanding is like the flat area of dirt
in the middle of the kind of like the horseshoe.
It felt like it was full of mud. It was
just it was flooded. It was terrible. For like the
first two days, Monday and Tuesday, the weather was terrible,
and then on Wednesday the weather got better. People were

(37:21):
all there, even after being stuck in traffic, and they're
like having this the festival started. Everyone's enjoying themselves. And
this woman from Salt Lake City, at her very first
burning Man ever, goes into labor. She was having a
cryptic pregnancy. She didn't even know she was pregnant, Like

(37:44):
she did not have symptoms of pregnancy, Thank goodness. And
this I don't know why this would surprise me, but
I guess burning Man appeals to people of all professions,
all walks of life. But there were several medical professionals
like neonatal nurse, obgyn, a pediatry, Christian. We're all at
Burning Man. And when this woman went into labor. They

(38:04):
helped deliver the baby in her RV. The baby weighed
only three pounds and she had to go and stay
in the NICU. But all the reporting I found now
is that the baby's home. They named her Aurora, and
she's fine.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
So when is her first Burning second Burning Man?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I guess in August. I wonder if they'll come back
with the baby. We did have a friend that we've
lost touch with who had gone to Bernie Man. I
don't know if we know anyone else in our life
that has actually been there, but that she had always
said that it was a very interesting environment because there's
like a lot of cooperative.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Who went to Burning Man Holly oh oh. Obviously there's
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Cooperativeness that happens, a lot of trade, like it is
like a city and it operates. And one of the
interesting I don't want to say rules, but cultural phenomena
etiquette rules, is that you don't ask people for water.
You're supposed to bring your own water and be responsible

(39:09):
for your own water. And if people are going around
asking for water, I guess that's kind of like a
suspicious thing. So I don't know, I get like a
several different kinds of vibes from Burning Man, where it's
like this woman goes into labor and needs help, and
doctors and nurses show up to help her deliver her baby.
At the same time, it's like, if you go around
asking people for water, you're like, such, she probably had.

(39:34):
They said she gave birth in the bathroom of the
r V. I can. I just cannot.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I just can't, probably because if it's your RV, probably because.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
You just wash, wash it all the way down the
drain and nothing gets stained or I don't know. We
can move on from that part of it. So I
think there were This year, there were reported forty four
arrests at Burning Man, so there was like, of course,

(40:08):
this will shock you. Possession of controlled substances.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Not a burning Man, sure.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
But also assault with a deadly weapon, domestic battery, burglary,
and sexual assault.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Oh god, So.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You put eighty thousand people in a place there's none
probably likely none to very little cell service there. I
don't know how they stop, how they staff it with
security and police. I don't know how that happens or
what that looks like. But the city exists, and so

(40:43):
the festival goes on. But then Saturday night, a thirty
seven year old man originally from Russia named Vadam Kruglow
was found dead. It was August thirtieth, the Saturday of
the festival. He was apparently stabbed in the neck and

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he died. And they described where he was found as
kind of being away towards like the end of end
of the festival, like on that kind of on the
outskirts of his own or I don't know if it's
his own, but like at a camp camping space. It
took the police three weeks to uncover the likely murder weapons,

(41:24):
so it wasn't until mid mid to late September that
they actually recovered it. And as of now, there's no
suspects because I, as I said, they build the city,
it's it's it's made up of RVs and tents and
temporary structures like the orgy tent, and then they break
it all down and it's gone. So any evidence is

(41:50):
was taken away, everything was cleaned up. They the people
who go to Burning Man, have a very big live
leave no trace. I read that even flicking your cigarette
ash on the ground is frowned upon you like very
much leave no trace situation. So that's really hindered the
police in investigating Vodam's death. He was, like I said,

(42:13):
he was thirty seven years old. He was a Russian
citizen born and raised in Omsk, which is a city
of about a million people. It's in southwest Siberia. He
moved to the US in twenty sixteen, and he lived
in Washington State, and he studied engineering and he worked
in it. But he was also an artist, and he
was a big lover of Burning Man and that whole vibe.

(42:39):
And a friend of his made a statement sending that
this was the first time that he was ever able
to go and they want him to be remembered as
the talented, bright and inspiring human being that he was.
Let his memory remain as a creator, a dreamer, and
a man who gave love. But as I said, at
this time, no one's been arrested. There is a reward.

(43:01):
Crime Stoppers did a five thousand dollars reward, but the
Burning Man Project, like the folks behind the festival, also
contributed an additional five thousand dollars for info leading to
the rest of the person responsible. But he died on
August thirtieth. You're listening to this basically on September or
October thirtieth, and as far as I can learn, there

(43:22):
haven't been any arrests made in his murder. Rolling Stone
interviewed a man named Tim Leavel who's been to I
don't even know how many Burning Mans. He loves it,
and he says, I take the long view on this.
A life was born, a life was taken. In the
grand scheme of things, I still think that the Black
Rock City is safer than pretty much any other place

(43:45):
on Earth.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I mean, I guess, just.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Forty four arrests, I think this is the first time
in the history of the festival that someone died as
a result of a homicide, because, I mean, we've talked
about it before as it can be dangerous. Yeah, for sure,
people people have accidents, or people od or people don't prepare,
heat stroke, things like that can happen. The weather.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Things do happen, But this was that, I think the first.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Time that there was a homicide. And like I said,
as of now, there's no suspects or anyone has been arrested.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
So I'm guessing if you were at Burning Man and
you have any information about this, you should contact crime.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Stoppers yeah, contact crime Stoppers or it's it's the Pershing
County Police. Any tips are useful because they are still
trying to figure it out. Like I said, they don't
have any cell phone video or you know, surveillance of
the area because it's just not built. You know, it's
not what we're talking about here. And the city is

(44:48):
gone and the city will be back at the end
of August. But all that evidence is likely is likely gone.
Whatever evidence there was that that wasn't collected before everybody
packed up. They did do investigation, but like I said,
it took them three weeks to find the murder weapon.
It was just a kitchen knife. So yeah, we'll see,
we'll see what happens if anything gets resolved, and we'll

(45:13):
bring you updates. But that's the story of burning Man
and the seven Plagues of burning Man. This year. Well,
thank you for that, and we know that next year
we'll bring some other kind of calamities and another nine
hours of traffic of eighty thousand people trying to drive
out of this rural, very rural space.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
So those are the cases we had for you for
this week. We have two more cases that we are
are two more topics that we're going to cover, but
we're going to do it in our swing Shift overtime
episode we have. We're going to discuss the curious case
of the seventy sets of human cremains that were found
in the Nevada Desert and also the curious case of

(45:55):
someone who was stalking the governor.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
The governor, Governor Joel Lombardo.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yes, someone needed to be closer to him, so we
will we will cover that in our swing Shift. So
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