0092 Sir Gene Speaks with Another Dude Named Kok

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Gene (00:00):
And this is why immortality sucks joining me
today is a dude named Ben.
Oh shit.
His name isn't Ben Godammit.
I, I kept trying to get you tochange your name, but you
wouldn't quite do it.
So what is your preferred namethese days?

GWFF (00:16):
You can call me a dude named Cock.

Gene (00:18):
A dude named Cock.
Well that's about a as good as aBen, I suppose.
That's British for Ben.

GWFF (00:24):
It's British for the King of Kent

Gene (00:26):
Ah.
Okay.
All right.

GWFF (00:28):
Yes, I am.
Go the cock on.
Well, Griff on gender, social,gw, f and just, yeah, go the
cock if you wanna extend it

Gene (00:35):
See, I always thought you were playing a dog character
with that go thing.

GWFF (00:40):
Yeah.
A lot of people do.

Gene (00:42):
Yeah.
So what, what is the go thing?
Explain that before we get going

GWFF (00:46):
It's very simple.
So, when I first saw Adam Curryand I, I saw his, he signed off
his emails with ac.
I thought, well, there's a neatway of just tightening up
someone's name and, and I've hadthis awfully long name all my
life of these four seven letternames, Gregory William Forsyth

(01:07):
Foreman, which is a rightmouthful, even for a British
person to say

Gene (01:12):
Is there a dash in there?
You, you

GWFF (01:13):
Yeah, hyphenated.

Gene (01:15):
Yeah, yeah,

GWFF (01:16):
the end there.
And dad didn't get marriedbefore they had me.
So technically that makes me abastard.
Which I've, I've struggled withfor a long.

Gene (01:23):
but I thought all the like all the really rich British
people all had hyphenated names.

GWFF (01:29):
It does make me sound a lot posture than I actually am.
I will give you that

Gene (01:33):
mm-hmm.
Well, when you had the cock inthere, I mean, that's like next
level posh.

GWFF (01:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Very well Cock King of Ken.
I mean, that's self-appointed,so it's not like it's a title
that has been bestowed upon me.
Not yet.
Anyway.

Gene (01:48):
Right.

GWFF (01:49):
Gotta have dreams in.
Yeah, gotta have ambitions.
Destiny is a calling for all ofus, isn't it?

Gene (01:56):
and, and why can't,

GWFF (01:58):
That's where I'm from.
And what happened was, is I wasborn in a part of Kent,
Northwest Kent that was stolenby this, the, the great city of
London in 1964.

Gene (02:10):
mm-hmm.

GWFF (02:11):
And it is now the London Borough of, and I, and I
everyone who lives here, who'sold enough to remember that it
was Kent at some point, stillcalls it Kent.
And I'm just a, I'm a, I'm a bitannoyed about that.
I'm a bit miffed,

Gene (02:23):
Do they call it old Kent or just Kent?

GWFF (02:25):
No, there's no year old in there.
No.
So BA I've got, I run pubs, I'vegot pubs, micro pubs, and I had
a customer who had a daughter ina hospital in the same hospital
I was born in in 1963.
And on her birth certificatesays that she was born in Kent.
And then a year later he had ason who was born in the same
bed, in the same hospital.

(02:47):
And his birth certificate saysLondon.

Gene (02:50):
Hmm.

GWFF (02:51):
That's not cool, man.
Come on.
Now imagine if you were in Tejasand then what's the one north of
Tejas?
I dunno the, The state?
Yeah.
If they just turned up and went,Oh, we're having a bit of that
bit, you

Gene (03:02):
Well, I mean, there were certainly Mexicans that were
born here that, a few yearsafter the Texas independence,
people born here became born inTexas instead of Mexico.

GWFF (03:12):
Well, I mean that done in my favor in the long run though,
didn't it?

Gene (03:15):
Wow.
I mean, they all end up hereeventually anyway,

GWFF (03:19):
Yeah, it's funny that, isn't it how you get like mass
migration to the USA and youalso get to the UK at the same
time?

Gene (03:26):
Different places though.
I.

GWFF (03:28):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I've always beenenamored with the facts that you
guys have.
Canada, and to me Canada for youfeels very much like Scotland is
to us.

Gene (03:39):
Oh, I think you're right.
I, yeah.
Even, even having Nova Scotia upin Canada, just to remind us Oh
yeah.
It really is in New Scotland.

GWFF (03:48):
Yeah, It is, isn't it?
Isn't it?
But they're it's a bit Frenchyas well, isn't it?
So there's

Gene (03:54):
Yeah.
Well Quebec certainly tries tobe, Yes.

GWFF (03:59):
Yeah, I've, I've got a a URL that's registered in pm
which is the San Pierre, and Ican't remember the last one.
It's a tiny little island innorthwest Scandinavia.
It's its own place.
It's its own thing.
I'm reliably informed.
It's where a lot of old schoolbooze was run into to get into
America, from Europe and yeah,as a, You

Gene (04:20):
I think that's correct.

GWFF (04:22):
Ever seen the show?
Peaky Blinders?

Gene (04:23):
I have not, no.

GWFF (04:24):
Okay, Well, I don't, it's not, not worth, not worth your
time I have to say, but just incase you had but here's, it's
about bi gangsters fromBirmingham and and one of them
as a, as a thing with theAmericans that goes through
there.
But yeah, it's the world is a,is a very varied place, isn't
it?
Now, let's face it.

Gene (04:41):
I guess, Sure, Yeah, you could say that.

GWFF (04:45):
Everyone's trying to tell everyone else what to do, aren't
they?

Gene (04:46):
are your, are your pubs in Kent or in other places?

GWFF (04:50):
Well they're technically, they're in that London borough
of Bromley.
But if it was, I always say topeople, it depends whether
you're trying to buy a house orsell a house.
Cause if you're trying to sell ahouse, then you, you'd say it's
in Kent.
And if you're buying a house,you say, That house is in
London.
I'm not paying that much for it.

Gene (05:05):
So is, was all of Brumley part of Kent?

GWFF (05:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It all was,

Gene (05:09):
That's a big chunk,

GWFF (05:10):
they did the, they built a, a ring road, the M 25, and
then they just said everythinginside this road of hate, this,
this sort of

Gene (05:18):
Right.

GWFF (05:19):
Yeah.
Miles and miles of tarmac thatwould form this ring of hate
around this, the capital

Gene (05:25):
Yeah.
So I bet the people living inBromley have just been getting
pummeled by the Londoners.

GWFF (05:30):
Yeah, I mean, a lot, a lot of people that live around here
migrated out from southeastLondon, Biman z Lamber places
south of the river.
When they saw it was going a bitsouth in the in the late sixties
and early seventies andeighties, you had a hell

Gene (05:47):
But, but it's a whole different culture up there.

GWFF (05:49):
Yeah, they, I mean, they bring a

Gene (05:50):
I mean, it's the same language, but kind of, sort of.

GWFF (05:54):
But they all speak a bit like that, don't they?

Gene (05:56):
Right, right.
So, I mean, I can't imagine thatfor the, for the people in
Southeastern newly calledLondon, really, they're people
from Kent with Kent Traditionsand the Kent language that
they're probably have beenstruggling and maybe, asking
Kent for some help to help bringthem back into the fold of the

(06:19):
mother.

GWFF (06:20):
I think this is why you, you're big dude.
The divine inspiration of theuniverse has given me the
impetus to take on the MonicaCock and and, and run with it.
Really, that's, that's all I cankind of dean from the situation.
I don't see anyone else tryingit.
Let's put it that way.
And also you can call it k itcan't you, which sounds really
cool.

Gene (06:39):
catch it.

GWFF (06:40):
Yeah.
Getting Kent Outta Britain.

Gene (06:42):
Yeah, I think that's, that's brilliant actually.
That's

GWFF (06:46):
it's a workable scenario cuz like, if you think about it,
we can then have our deal withthose pesky Europeans that kind
of undoes the Brexit nonsense.
And then we can have our dealwith the pesky

Gene (06:57):
Well, chant does have a road going directly to France.

GWFF (07:01):
The tunnel.

Gene (07:02):
Well, but it's a road inside a tunnel, right?

GWFF (07:05):
Yeah, the channel tunnel.

Gene (07:06):
Yeah.
I mean, it's not a road.
It's not on a bridge, but it is.
So certainly there is somethingto be said for that.

GWFF (07:15):
Yeah, I've been on that channel tunnel.
It's terrible.
Yeah.
A couple

Gene (07:18):
the channel?

GWFF (07:19):
The channel never

Gene (07:21):
Never.
Never gone in there.
No claustrophobic.

GWFF (07:24):
Oh yeah.
I quite like small spaces.

Gene (07:28):
do you?
Yeah.

GWFF (07:29):
If I was ever buried alive, I think I'd be right.

Gene (07:32):
You'd appreciate being in the coffin,

GWFF (07:34):
Bit peace and quiet.

Gene (07:35):
which, Yeah, you don't have that with London.
Then you're breathing down yourneck right now.

GWFF (07:39):
Two kids and two pubs.
It's never gonna happen, is it?
Let's face it,

Gene (07:43):
Which do you prefer?

GWFF (07:45):
the kids well toss up, but the kids

Gene (07:49):
Less noise on the kids.

GWFF (07:51):
Bit of both.
Get outta both in your life.
And I'm a social guy.
I've always, I've been love tochat, always have done.

Gene (07:56):
Well it's probably a good idea then to, if you have pubs,
to be a social guy.

GWFF (08:00):
Oh yeah, you've got to, it's, It's one of those things,
It's like if you're gonna be anurse, then you should have, you
should

Gene (08:06):
So.

GWFF (08:07):
to care for people.
And if you wanna be

Gene (08:08):
Interesting.
Interesting thing about you isyou're somewhat unique in the no
agenda audience because youdon't work in it.

GWFF (08:15):
Yeah.

Gene (08:16):
So I think there's three of you, so you're not quite
unique, but close to unique.
So, So how the hell did you endup listening to No Agenda and
Adam Curry if you don't work init?

GWFF (08:26):
Well, I so I was an actor for 20 years or so from a kid up
to about 26.
And then when my misses gotpregnant with our first I
decided to stop acting and dosomething else.
I thought at the time my dreamwas to be to form my own
electricians business.
So I was an electrician'sapprentice quite late on in

(08:47):
life.
I wanted to do this a businessthat, that sort of that was that
sort of safe proofed homesagainst wifi signals and 5g
before 5G was a thing.
I thought that it, that'd be areally good idea to use.
All gone and ized crystals andjust clean the energies in
houses and stuff.
I, I know are quite a lot of.

(09:07):
Celebrities and, and people thatpay a lot of money for massive
crystals that have attached tosome sort of power

Gene (09:14):
Oh, yes.
They're a great, a greatdemographic for selling crystals
too.

GWFF (09:19):
Oh yeah.
Especially the reality stars.
Yeah.
I know a guy that paid 38,000pounds for a, for a big old
piece of quartz that had a lightin it.
Effectively.

Gene (09:30):
Nice.

GWFF (09:31):
Yeah.

Gene (09:33):
somebody's gotta make a living selling those things to

GWFF (09:37):
Yeah, so,

Gene (09:38):
pretend to be others.

GWFF (09:39):
So I had my hand down a wool trying to find a, a cable
that someone else is poking upfrom the floor below.
And I was listening to a showthat I'd listened to for years
and years at a time calledCanary Cry, which is on the no
agenda stream three times aweek.
And they mentioned no agenda andI've then, after the show
finished, I kind of thought, Oh,I've not really got anything
else to listen to.

(09:59):
Cause I could have one ear intoa, into a podcast or so I was
working.
And I'll put my agenda on.
And it was something, I think itwas early, oh, I wanna say early
20, maybe mid 2015, somewherearound

Gene (10:12):
Mm-hmm.

GWFF (10:13):
they were talking about Trump.
So I'm guessing he was running.
And and I just sort of thought,Wow, what is this?
This is definitely differentfrom.

Gene (10:22):
Yeah.
Well now it makes sense though.
So if you were pulling cables,it almost, I guess there's some
confusion in the universe thatthought you were actually an it.

GWFF (10:31):
Oh yeah.
Never

Gene (10:32):
And, and consequently, this, this notion of listening
to no agenda just popped in yourhead.
Because it's, it's very rare forsomebody that isn't doing it
type work to to get that ideapopping in their head.
That's uh, that's quiteinteresting.
So now you said you acted for awhile.
Did you act in anything goodlike Dr.

GWFF (10:52):
I was I was acting in the studio where they filmed Dr.
Who, How's that?

Gene (10:57):
Okay.

GWFF (10:58):
I went to a Dr.
Who Christmas party by mistakeonce.

Gene (11:01):
Well that's pretty good.
That's an exciting story.

GWFF (11:03):
Yeah,

Gene (11:04):
How is it?

GWFF (11:04):
I was in a, a bar in Cardiff and they had a games
room up, up above next to thetoilets and the, in the games
room, they used to play boardgames in there and stuff.

Gene (11:14):
huh.

GWFF (11:15):
but there was this one time, there was a private party
going on in there and on thedoor there was a sign saying BBC
employees only.
And at that point I was filminga show that was a BBC show, so I
thought, well, that's me.
And I walked in there andsomeone said, Who are you?
And I.
I'm a BBC employee.

(11:35):
Yeah.
I didn't bring a stethoscope,so, and then I kind of hung out
in there for, for an evening.
That was, that was alright.
There were, I didn't notice any,I'm not a Doctor who fan, so, I
mean, I was the old ones, butthe, the newest stuff

Gene (11:48):
Okay.
All

GWFF (11:49):
me off so I don't, I don't really watch it.

Gene (11:51):
So but you like the old ones who, who did you like from
the old ones?

GWFF (11:54):
Anything that was on vhs, I sort of, I liked as soon as I
stopped doing vhs, I had a,yeah, a videotape, right.

Gene (12:01):
Right?

GWFF (12:02):
I had a little box set when I was growing up and there
was, it was the, I remember itcuz it was the first doctor who,
when the dialects went up thestairs

Gene (12:10):
Mm.

GWFF (12:11):
it was a big, thing at that time, cuz

Gene (12:13):
Cause they couldn't go upstairs previously.

GWFF (12:15):
No, No.
Everyone thought, Well, that'snot, they're not very useful,
are they?
If we could just defeat theseguys with a basement,

Gene (12:22):
Yeah.
That's true.
They could not get into s.

GWFF (12:25):
But then I think in the, in the show, someone runs into
the basement or something, andthen the moment happened when
the dialect descended the stairsand it was a big sort of like,
Oh my word.

Gene (12:37):
stairs.

GWFF (12:38):
Yeah.
They hovered, they hovered abovethe stairs as they went down.
And I

Gene (12:42):
The budget.
The budget finally got beyond ahundred dollars an episode, I
guess.

GWFF (12:46):
Yeah.
Budget's huge for Dr.
Who It's the second, secondbiggest budget on the bbc, I
think.

Gene (12:52):
It's hard to tell.
Yeah.

GWFF (12:53):
Yeah, very much so.
They spend it all on the On thetalent.
I'm sure.

Gene (12:58):
Yeah.
So what Or the lack of it.
Yeah.
So who, which of the old doctorsdid you like the most

GWFF (13:04):
Oh, I couldn't tell you the one with the scarf.

Gene (13:07):
The one, The Tom Baker.

GWFF (13:10):
that's the one.
Yeah.

Gene (13:11):
That's the one.
Okay.

GWFF (13:12):
Yeah.
Thought he was good.
I was more just into the themetune than anything else, to be
fair

Gene (13:16):
like the synthesizer music?

GWFF (13:18):
Oh yeah.
I love a bit of music.
I do do a lot of music myself,and synth has always been my, my
personal chosen genre would beIndie Christian fringe pop.
So, yeah, has a lot of synth inIndie Christian Fringe pop,

Gene (13:32):
Is there.
Okay.

GWFF (13:33):
I'm the only one that's doing it as far as I'm.
But that's how I role.
I'm the only one that does a lotof the stuff that I

Gene (13:40):
Got it.
Now, and did you act in anythingother than Dr.
Who, since you didn't act in Dr.
Who that

GWFF (13:45):
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I was in like all of the usualstuff that you do as an actor of
the bill doctors, all theBritish sort of things.
Biggest, I was in a Hollywoodmovie called London

Gene (13:57):
the usual

GWFF (13:58):
which

Gene (13:58):
for example,

GWFF (13:59):
Farrow in it.
Didn't have a speaking part, butI did spoiler alert, stab up the
main character at the end of it.
So there was that.
And then I was in a show calledCasualty for about nine years,
which is a big sort of TV drama.
The, the one I was on the, themost was a a sort of continuing
drama set in a hospital calledCasualty.
I played the son of the maincharacter in that it was a crack

(14:21):
head.
And yeah I did that for aboutnine years on and off, but more
off than on.

Gene (14:27):
Okay, so you play the Craighead.
Any any other interesting roles?

GWFF (14:31):
I was in Harry Potter three, but not really as a role.
It was just one of the featuredkids in it.
That's probably,

Gene (14:37):
the third one, what was that one called?

GWFF (14:38):
that's the best one.

Gene (14:40):
That?
What was it called though?

GWFF (14:41):
The prisoner of Azkaban

Gene (14:44):
Okay.

GWFF (14:45):
had Gary open in it, and it was directed by Alfonso
Kiran, I think the guy that didchildren and men.
You ever seen that?
What a movie that is.

Gene (14:53):
nope.

GWFF (14:54):
Oh, it's a great film.
Yeah.
About the end of the world.
But it's a based on a shortnovel where Humanity Stops, has
having babies, and it's set like19 years after the last baby's
born.
And this, this guy finds a, ayoung pregnant woman and he has
to

Gene (15:09):
I think I saw the ad for that.
And then the whole thing isabout just trying to keep her
safe or something, right?

GWFF (15:14):
Yeah.
Pretty much.
It's quite simple narrative.
It's very, very well done.
Loved it.

Gene (15:18):
Yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
Interesting.
So what led you to want to giveup acting and portraying such
awesome characters?

GWFF (15:28):
Well, I mean, my bread and butter was doing language tapes,
so I would go into a studio anddo stuff like the boy has a red
bicycle.
What color is the boy's bicycle?
And then do the

Gene (15:39):
Like training teaching other people to speak proper

GWFF (15:42):
Yeah.
So that it would get sent out toyoung schools in normally
Eastern Europe and stuff likethat.

Gene (15:48):
Hmm.
So that made more money thanacting.

GWFF (15:51):
It was, it was, it was easier to just a constant work
and, and guarantee the you'd geta good couple of days, a month
of it and it would be enough topay the rent and give me some
drinking money.

Gene (16:00):
Did you, did you ever sell your voice to the BBC or anyone
else?

GWFF (16:05):
No, no.
I didn't do anything like that.
That's, I mean, I

Gene (16:08):
there's a lot of voices available now.
Computer, computer generated outof real human voices.

GWFF (16:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I miss that gravy train,

Gene (16:18):
We, we can all have our own Siri.
Well, that, I mean, it's a greattrain for the companies.
The actors got paid regularwage, but the voices are then
resold for millions.

GWFF (16:26):
they get stiffed, don't they?
Poor actors with their sillycontracts.

Gene (16:30):
Well, yeah, you gotta, gotta make sure you have a good
contract, right?

GWFF (16:33):
I just sort of thought having being a parent and, and
just sort of relying on thissporadic work wasn't good
enough.
I was already working and livingabove a pub at the time, and we
were leaving that pub as afamily and we decided to start
up our own place.
And I sort of thought I'd dosomething else and let the pub
help, like handle itself.

(16:54):
And then after about eight, ninemonths, I realized that there
was too much work going on inthe other pub.
So I'd had to quit the, theelectrician stuff and go and
work full-time in, in the pubs.
And since then, been doing that.
And then I think I had a littlebreak where I, I sort of, I
traded cryptocurrencies forabout 18 months full-time.
And

Gene (17:12):
Was that fun?
Did you enjoy that?

GWFF (17:15):
it was the best sort of five months I've ever, like I've
ever had money wise.

Gene (17:21):
Uhhuh?

GWFF (17:22):
And then it was the easily the worst 13 months that I've
ever read

Gene (17:27):
Okay.
Got it.

GWFF (17:28):
Yeah, it was, it was a, a very valuable lesson

Gene (17:32):
It is interesting to do things like that.
I did poker for a year, so for,for one year I didn't do any
other work.
I just played cards.
And the thing that I quicklylearned probably within about
two or three months was that thething that you really enjoy
doing that makes you think,Geez, I should do this for a
living.
Stops being fun.

(17:54):
And so I was literally going towork to the casino to go play
poker so I can beat enough handsto leave there with enough money
for the day.
And hopefully that happenedsooner than later because I'd
fallen some idiots.
That would bet big.
And then I wouldn't have to playpoker nearly as many hours in

(18:15):
order to get the, the amount ofmoney that I needed to get per
day.
And that completely ruined pokerfor several years, for me until,
after stopping doing itprofessionally, I just started
Once again, just occasionallyplaying

GWFF (18:26):
Yeah.
Playing for fun.
Well, there's an advert overhere for gambling adverts and
it, and they have a littletagline in the government that
they make them put on it, and itsays, When the fun stops stop.
Which I think is a good littlelesson to learn.
I did, I was listening to yourlast episode and you were
talking about streaming gamesand, and making a living out of
that.
Do you not, do you not feel likethat would be a, a similar kind
of thing where you would get toa point

Gene (18:48):
absolutely.
It would be absolutely.
I've interviewed enough peoplethat have done it professionally
and even if I haven'tinterviewed'em, heard enough
interviews with people doing itprofessionally to know that
that's absolutely the case.
And here's the sad part, is youcan tell when you watch these
giant streamers playing videogames, what they're doing while

(19:09):
they're in the video game isprocessing, What can I do next
to increase my views to generatemore revenue?

GWFF (19:18):
Yeah.

Gene (19:19):
not playing a video game from the same standpoint as the
viewers that they're getting areplaying'em.
The average person who isplaying the video game to blow
off some steam, to not thinkabout the shitty reality that's
happening in the world rightnow.
Just to kind of go off into afantasy world and do something
that, probably they can't do ingeneral, like a normal basis.

(19:40):
Yeah, it's total escapism.
When you're doing that as astreamer who is earning their
livelihood on this,

GWFF (19:47):
There's no

Gene (19:48):
it has very different, like I was watching one streamer
earlier today talking to otherstreamers and that's when the
conversation always ends upturning to business of streaming
and not the fun of stream.
And saying, Yeah, YouTube's beenpromoting these shorts to
compete with TikTok, and I thinkpeople are idiots not to do'em.
I started doing shirts.

(20:09):
I hate doing'em.
They're horrible.
But when I do'em, I get like30,000 new subscribers a month.
When I don't do'em, I get 6,000new subscribers a month.
So doing the shorts greatlyincreases the amount of new
subscribers I get.
And in the end, that's the game.
It's all about just getting moresubscribers.

GWFF (20:29):
numbers.
Getting

Gene (20:30):
It's numbers game because you know that somewhere between
a 10th of a percent and 1% ofthose subscribers will, in one
matter or another, give youmoney.
And then of course, the moresubscribers you have, the more
opportunity for the advertisingrevenue coming in from YouTube.
But that revenue has greatly,greatly diminished over the last

(20:50):
three years.
Three years ago, somebody thathad half a million subscribers
doing video games was generatingover a hundred thousand dollars
in revenue.
And depending on, just how oftenthey broadcast and a few other
criteria, it was anywherebetween one and 250,000 and a
million subscribers.
There was almost no chance theywere doing less than$200,000 in

(21:13):
revenue to themselves.

GWFF (21:15):
do you think that that's that was a sort of Alex Jones'
fault?

Gene (21:19):
No, I don't think it was Alex Jones' fault.
But there something that clearlygot exposed quite a bit with
Alex Jones is just how many botsthere were and how many fake
accounts.
And, and really what it was, wasthe advertisers didn't know what
questions to ask to make surethey're getting a good value on
their advertising dollars.

(21:39):
And so when somebody bought ads,they were just in a generic
category with no control and nocontractual direction on where
that ad spend would happen.
And that allowed.
To count a lot of things thatprobably didn't result in new
sales for the advertisers asbeing a legitimate advertising

(22:00):
spend.

GWFF (22:01):
pesky YouTube, pesky Google.
Don't be evil.
Now.
Come on.
Don't be

Gene (22:05):
don't be evil.
Right.
Good luck on that.
I took that down a decade ago

GWFF (22:10):
Yeah, I bet.
Oh, I'd love to have that.
That'd be great, wouldn't it?
Could you imagine owning thatpiece?
But

Gene (22:16):
that don't, don't be evil signed.

GWFF (22:18):
Yeah.
Someone's gotta rap that, didn'tthey?

Gene (22:19):
Well, I mean there were plenty of'em.
That was the company tagline forthe first seven or eight years.
Don't be evil.

GWFF (22:25):
I thought it was just literally as you walked into the
office and there was a big sign,but

Gene (22:29):
Right.
But they have multiple officesand, and the reason that that
was a sign is because that was acompany tagline until they got
rid of it.

GWFF (22:36):
What's the worst tagline in history?

Gene (22:39):
Well, it's, it's really kind of a.
It's a dangerous tagline becauseit sounds hilarious when you do
it.
It's like, ha ha, what we'redoing has nothing to do with
anything political.
It's we're, we're just providingthe world with email and, and
then it, I think if a companygrows enough, it's almost
impossible for them to not beperceived as evil in some way or

(23:02):
fashion.
So

GWFF (23:03):
gotta remind your employees to not be evil,
constantly something terribly,they should have that in the
Houses of Parliament.
That'd be useful.

Gene (23:11):
Don't be

GWFF (23:12):
Yeah.
That might, might get the publica little clued up.

Gene (23:17):
Well I think it, the problem is evil is so subjective

GWFF (23:20):
Yeah.
It's good and bad in everyone,aren't there?

Gene (23:23):
it's, it's hard to try and nail down exactly what it is.
And yeah, and I think in the UKyou guys have just as much
issues with your politiciansthere, as we do here.
Seem to have a little morefreedom of them yelling at each
other in, in parliaments that wecan watch on tv.

GWFF (23:40):
You guys all sort of, sort of try and pretend like you
gotta stick up your ass and it'sjust, it doesn't, don't really
work.
Whereas we are, we are more likejust in a, in a school
playground, shouting at eachother.
And I think if you had, if yougive them buckets of mud, there
would be a point where theywould start fleeing that mud
around.

Gene (23:56):
Oh, absolutely.
I think they would,

GWFF (23:58):
Yeah.
Be interesting, Be good tv.

Gene (24:01):
well, it would be, and somebody could turn into a
reality TV series and make somemoney.

GWFF (24:06):
Well at the moment there's a show called I'm a Celebrity,
Get Me Out of Here, which hasbeen running for about 20 years
now and they take sort of 10, 11celebrities and they sling him
in the Australian jungle andthey make him do trials for
their food.

Gene (24:21):
Mm-hmm.

GWFF (24:22):
And we've had a guy called Matt Hancock who's an MP who's
gone into it and he is the firstsort of major working MP to go
in it.
And he was the health ministerduring.

Gene (24:32):
Yeah,

GWFF (24:33):
So the public gets to vote for which one of these douche
bags has to do with the trialswhere they have to eat crocodile
penis and, the vagina of a cowand stuff.

Gene (24:42):
that sounds like a super easy show.

GWFF (24:45):
oh yeah, it's, it's great.
From a sort of sociologicalstandpoint.

Gene (24:50):
how Joe Rogan got his start.

GWFF (24:52):
Oh really?
I thought it was a standup

Gene (24:54):
well, he was a standup that he was a no K standup.
He was certainly not a famousstandup.
But his big break came when hebecame the TV host or presenter
for you guys of a show calledwhat was it called?

GWFF (25:09):
wasn't he a history channel thing or something?
Wasn't it?

Gene (25:12):
no, no, no.
It was I think it was in an nbc,I believe.
But it, it was a, I think it wasone of the main networks, but it
was a show and the name willcome to me eventually here, But
it was a show where essentiallypeople have to compete in, in
challenges of things that theywould either be grossed out by,
or would be perceived asdangerous.

(25:34):
Like, for example, eating pastrywith bugs in them

GWFF (25:39):
Mm.

Gene (25:40):
and

GWFF (25:41):
Considered normal these days considered

Gene (25:42):
consider, Yeah, consider, well, people didn't realize back
then that that was a delicacy.
But these, these days thingsare, I think would be a little
different.
But that got him on televisionand be seen by a lot of people
and definitely helped his comedycareer in a lot of ways.
And I think.
He brought him into the, the,the Hollywood sort of mainstream

(26:04):
that allowed him to make a lotmore connections.
So I really don't think withoutthat show, yeah, it was
definitely exposure.
I don't think without that show,Rogan would've been anything
more than the guy that somepeople that really enjoyed
comedy would've seen that enjoystandup.
He would've been known in, inNew York and la but probably not
in many other places.

GWFF (26:25):
I mean, nowadays his show.
That's a different beast though,isn't it?
That's something that he's grownthrough.
Perseverance and concentrationand just, and,

Gene (26:33):
the talk show,

GWFF (26:34):
Yeah.
The, that's the most populartalk show on the planet at the
moment.
Isn't that,

Gene (26:39):
I guess, I don't know.
It's hard to say because I don'treally trust the stats coming in
from the guys that owned thatshow.

GWFF (26:46):
That's a good point.

Gene (26:46):
So whether it's, it is, it is, I, I, I think honestly, most
of the things that are listed asthe most watched and popular.
Are only listed because they,they happen in the US and
realistically, if you startlooking at how many people watch
Chinese or India television, itis millions and millions more

(27:08):
than watch US television.

GWFF (27:09):
Oh yeah, of course.
Well, I guess in the Westerncivilization then

Gene (27:13):
Yeah.
The only one we care about.

GWFF (27:15):
Yeah.
Our

Gene (27:15):
it's, it's

GWFF (27:17):
not the other guys.

Gene (27:18):
really matter.
Fear Factor, by the way, was theshow that Joe Rogen Hoston,

GWFF (27:21):
Yes, I have heard of

Gene (27:23):
he was there for 12 years,

GWFF (27:24):
That was normal people though, weren't it?
It weren't

Gene (27:26):
Correct.
Yes.
It was, Well,

GWFF (27:29):
Did they do a celebrity

Gene (27:30):
it was a reality show.
They may have, I don't recall.
I was not an avid watch of that.
I would occasionally watch it,but it always struck me as the
things that they present asthese big challenges to people
that really, they didn't reallyseem like much of a challenge to
me.
They were just sort of like,Unusual.
There are things that areunusual, not things that are

(27:50):
actually challenging,

GWFF (27:51):
I I've got, I've, I know a lot of people that work on, I'm
a celebrity, Get me out of here.
My, my wife used to work at itv,which is the, the network that
runs a show and stuff.
And I won't say that any ofthese people are explicitly
aware of this.
It's a bit similar to how the,the news models do their thing.
But I think these challenges,they're more like rituals.
They're more sort of, they locka, lock a celebrity in a box,

(28:14):
and they pour crickets andscorpions in there.
That's a, that's a boo box.
I mean, that's been around for awhile.
These are things and, and, andthen there's a lot symbology and
just all sorts of stuff thatgoes on with it that you kind of
can't overlook.
A lot of snakes, there's alwayssnakes

Gene (28:28):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Which I don't understand theirrational and fear of snakes
that people have to begin with,but.

GWFF (28:35):
probably got something to do with the serpent that tricked
eve into eating that fig, Right?
That made her all smart all of asudden.

Gene (28:42):
Well, I don't think it really does because it's not
confined to just people from thewestern world.
Just a lot of people seem tohave a, an irrational
predisposition to having a fearof snakes.

GWFF (28:55):
Well, they may be.
They, they had their dragonsover in China.
They couldn't have, they weren'tall good.
Were they the dragons?
They must have been cuz he'salways a bad guy in everyone's
myth.
Mytho and legends isn't there.

Gene (29:04):
Well, you gotta have a bad guy, otherwise, who's gonna be

GWFF (29:07):
You

Gene (29:08):
the good guy who's gonna fight?

GWFF (29:09):
Gota Cote in there.
And then the Central America andNorth South America.
And then you America, I

Gene (29:15):
a

GWFF (29:15):
meaner America itself is, is named after a snake.
God, America.
Right.
That's, that was the, that'sthe, the et

Gene (29:22):
that's named after a morego is pci.

GWFF (29:25):
hmm.
Is it?

Gene (29:27):
Yeah.

GWFF (29:29):
All right.
You'll have to call me on

Gene (29:30):
It's, it's an Italian.

GWFF (29:32):
Yeah.
Really.

Gene (29:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.

GWFF (29:36):
A bit of a coincidence then the Old America guy was a
thing.
I dunno, I've seen a lot ofweird ass stuff on the internet,
so my brain's all a bit

Gene (29:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good, good bit of advice.
Don't believe things you see onthe

GWFF (29:48):
I don't believe enough of it.
But, you can still see it.
It's like I, I always, I'm a,I'm a, I'm an on the fencer.
I don't get off the fence.
I think the fence is the bestplace to be

Gene (29:57):
You like sitting up there on the fence

GWFF (29:59):
you get perspective with the other sides of the fence.
You can see, once you jump downon one side of a fence, you've
lost perspective of the otherside.
So I quite like it up there.

Gene (30:09):
That's true.
That is good.

GWFF (30:10):
all stuff like, I mean, one of the ones that's the most
divisive would be the flat earthstuff.
The shape of the planet, allthat, that thing I, I'm quite
happy up on the fence with thatone.
Like, until I get shine itmyself.
I mean, I can see merits in bothways.

Gene (30:23):
you?

GWFF (30:23):
I've traveled a little bit.
Yeah, a little bit.
Not massive

Gene (30:27):
Outside of the uk.

GWFF (30:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've been to America a fewtimes, been to Mexico, been to
obviously done Europe loads andthat's about, that's about it to
be

Gene (30:35):
I, I, I can't envision somebody thinking the earth is
flat once they've flown over it.

GWFF (30:42):
Well, the thing is, I think if the earth, if well
look, let's say that the earthisn't flat, well then the
numbers that we are being givenare a crock of ship.
Cuz you have lasers that canpaint a target from well beyond
the curvature of the earth thatwe are told about this was it
quarter of an eight of an inch.

(31:02):
I dunno, My, I've, it's been along time since I looked into
the old flat earth bollocks,let's face it.
But just, just, there's weirdstuff on either side and you
have to admit that no one's evergetting the a hundred percent of
the truth out of anything.
It, I don't think, personally,it's, I, if I was, had to lean
across the fence in anydirection, I'd say that, big

(31:22):
rock flying through space kindof makes sense with the
telescopes and stuff.
But then having been a kid thatgrew up, I was, I was 14 when
nine 11 happened.
Then I was told everything was,it was all one thing that is
gonna make you a questionabletime in someone's life.
Question everything for the restof your life.
It's not my fault that I've,I've I've got skepticism en

(31:43):
ingrained

Gene (31:43):
Well, I think skepticism is very good and I certainly
wouldn't fault somebody thatlives in a tribal village in the
Pakistan mountains thinking thatthe earth is flat.
That, that seems like areasonable supposition from
someone.
Whose furthest distance traveledis probably less than 20
kilometers.
But it's hard to see somebodythat has done world travel still

(32:09):
maintaining that

GWFF (32:09):
Is that because you're up in a plane and you can, you're
higher up.
See,

Gene (32:13):
you can literally see the curvature from

GWFF (32:15):
but then they say, don't they?
All the windows are bloody round

Gene (32:17):
what they can say whatever they want.
I mean,

GWFF (32:20):
but they are.
But you look at a round, througha round lens, it makes, it
rounds things out.
If you had a square

Gene (32:25):
Well, there there is this thing in the plane that used to
be a lot more visible and, andmaybe for people that are a
little older than nine 11 we gotto see a lot more often.
Planes used to fly with the dooropen the front cabin.

GWFF (32:40):
Yeah.

Gene (32:40):
As somebody who generally flies in the first or second row
I've, I've watched that viewthrough the, the

GWFF (32:46):
The wide screen

Gene (32:48):
ces so many times that it's not even interesting.

GWFF (32:51):
yeah, yeah,

Gene (32:52):
And yeah, there,

GWFF (32:54):
I went up in that cabin once or twice.
I saw that

Gene (32:57):
Oh, you did?
There you go.
Yeah.

GWFF (32:59):
very young, mind you,

Gene (33:00):
mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well, they've, they've kind ofstopped doing that

GWFF (33:03):
and, and it lame.

Gene (33:05):
I think it, it's contributing to the lack of
pilots, because I think a lot ofkids got that, got that type of
exposure of being able to visitthe cockpit.
They, that planted a seed intheir little brains

GWFF (33:18):
They were enamored by it.
Whoever came up with that ideawas a genius, was a, as a HR
genius back in the day.

Gene (33:26):
I don't know if anybody was doing it beforehand, but I
know that PanAm always did thatwhenever there were kids on a
flight, PanAm always did alittle visit to the cockpit for
them.

GWFF (33:37):
And if, if anyone's gonna hijack a plane, the kid is least
likely to do it.

Gene (33:43):
Right.
That's true.
I mean, there's always a chance.

GWFF (33:46):
You could have some badass kid, but

Gene (33:48):
probably least likely.
So

GWFF (33:50):
There's I've gotta say there's a, there's an
announcement being made by a bigorange Nazi.
What do you reckon?
What's, what's he gonna do?

Gene (33:57):
Which announcement?

GWFF (33:58):
The, he's, There's this thing, right?
The the Trump thing.
He's gonna announce.
He's, he's, he's held this cloudof announcement though.
Yeah.

Gene (34:04):
there an announcement today?

GWFF (34:05):
No, he's been saying it for ages, isn't he?
I'm gonna do something big

Gene (34:09):
well, I think, yeah,

GWFF (34:10):
do you reckon?
He's just gonna run, But if he'sgonna run,

Gene (34:12):
well he is obviously gonna run because he got pissed off
when when the Governor ofFlorida, when DeSantis said or
didn't say that he's notrunning.
Like when DeSantis was asked ifhe was gonna run, he did the
usual political thing.
It was like, well, I'm, I'm,

GWFF (34:28):
I'm

Gene (34:28):
enjoying what I'm doing right now, but I'm leaving all
options.

GWFF (34:32):
Yeah.

Gene (34:32):
And then Trump got pissed off that, Well, wait a minute,
this answer is supposed torecuse himself and not run
because he knows I'm running.
It's like, Fuck you, dude.
I don't,

GWFF (34:41):
Maybe, maybe DeSantis has just got a holiday album coming
out of covers like Christmascovers, eh,

Gene (34:47):
I don't know that he's a particularly good singer, but I
guess you never can tell untilsomething

GWFF (34:53):
forward to the no agenda, end of show mixes at Christmas
time where, you know, DeSantisclauses come in down town.

Gene (35:01):
Those are, there's some good ones, there's a lot of
talent and the no agendaproducer network.

GWFF (35:06):
Oh, yeah.
It's, it's the most, this is the

Gene (35:08):
Lot of people.
Yeah.
And I, I really wonder how manyof them have, have utilized
those talents previously.
And how many of'em are just sortof been, closet musicians not
really doing it outside of theirown home to anybody, and then
create something for no agendato be played to?
Literally millions of listeners

GWFF (35:28):
Yes, I, I did, I've done my Fair share of end show mixes
about seven or eight of them.

Gene (35:33):
have

GWFF (35:33):
Yeah, I've enjoyed every single one of them.
I thought they were so much funto do and it's such a shame that
the long versions don't getplayed for whatever,

Gene (35:42):
Yeah, that's true.
They, they do need to constrainthe length a little bit.

GWFF (35:47):
Well,

Gene (35:47):
does, does get long.

GWFF (35:49):
I mean, you've got I've told this to Tom Starkweather.
I think that Melo DSLs shouldjust pivot and become the no
agenda, end of show mix podcast.
And he should, he should havelong and do like a sort of top
of the pod pops, but with,

Gene (36:03):
Yeah.
That's not a bad idea.
It's a good point.
As long as it's not adding morework to Adam.

GWFF (36:09):
Well, yeah, but it's the same thing as a shop, isn't it?
It just sort of decentralizesit.

Gene (36:13):
Right, right.
Yeah.
I mean, if somebody is, acustodian of all those
submissions and then plays thefull versions and then makes a
show out of it, that would bebrilliant.

GWFF (36:22):
Well, I, I've, I've got quite a decent relationship
with, so Chris Wilson who I'mdesperate to marry my, my
daughter.
I'm, I've wanted her to marryhis son if I could.
No agenda arranged marriages,anyone

Gene (36:35):
Oh, well, I don't see why not.
I mean, we have titles.

GWFF (36:37):
Exactly.
We're we're almost there, aren't

Gene (36:40):
it's, it's just the hop, skip and a jump,

GWFF (36:42):
not that far,

Gene (36:43):
just having titles to having a range of marriages to
increase your holdings.

GWFF (36:48):
We, we've often spoke about forming the Gitman Nation
players and having just a full,the full deal.
And I, that's what I'm workingon at the moment.
I mean, my, my dream is toprovide now John and Adam, their
exit strategy on a plate.

Gene (37:03):
Hmm.

GWFF (37:03):
That's just what I, what I

Gene (37:04):
Well, they're looking for one, so you better hurry up.

GWFF (37:07):
They've got it.
They've, it's already there.
It doesn't need to be.
We, we are gonna do a productioncompany and start making some,
some pretty tasty productions.
There's, like you said, there'senough talent in the, in the
Gimo nation to fill every, everyvoid remotely these days.
So

Gene (37:23):
Especially it.

GWFF (37:24):
to work, to work a level, a standard that is of a high
quality, This is the, the, thedifference, the writing, the
everything about it can be puttogether, which can rival the
biggest and the most expensiveproductions on the planet.
I mean, did you see the rings ofpower

Gene (37:41):
No.

GWFF (37:41):
It was, it was, I got 10 minutes in That's all I could
manage.
It waster 1.8 billion.
Like if they, That's all theycan come up with.
With that, I'll tell you, I'lldo anything for it On a
shoestring

Gene (37:55):
Yeah.
I, I think, and I'm not surewhen this is gonna happen, I
don't have the exact dates, butI will make a prediction that
the, the end to all of the wokeHollywood stuff is going to come
from a direction that mostpeople are completely unaware of
and couldn't imagine being thecase.

(38:16):
And that is a very simplereplacement.
A complete replacement of actorsby computer generated models.

GWFF (38:25):
Could happen.

Gene (38:26):
the, the idea of actors being famous is absurd.
One of the,

GWFF (38:33):
isn't it?
It's They're always calledstars.

Gene (38:36):
well, they call themselves stars.
I don't think intelligent peoplewould ever call them.
Like I said, I don't thinkintelligent people would call'em
stars.

GWFF (38:43):
It's the sicker

Gene (38:44):
much it's, it's the same people that call politicians
leaders.
They're not fucking leaders.

GWFF (38:50):
Elected

Gene (38:51):
they're followers, but they're really public servants
is what you ought to call'em.
Anytime you refer to apolitician, refer to them as a
public

GWFF (38:58):
Public servant.
Yeah, a public slave.

Gene (39:01):
Well,

GWFF (39:02):
the, the, but this is the thing is that politics, by its
very nature, is a reactionaryindustry.
Culture is the one that leadspolitics.
And this is why to have aneffect.
And if you are, look, my goal isnot just to present the exit
strategy on a plate to John andAdam.
I believe that that will be amilestone along my journey.
My ultimate, ultimate goal is tosave my children's, children's

(39:25):
future from this weird ass MadMax on the outside.
Judge, dread on the inside.
Weird, twisted future that thesestrange elites think that is
possible, which they're drivingtowards at a rate like you
wouldn't believe.
What you would

Gene (39:40):
I, I think it's really, it's a.

GWFF (39:43):
death

Gene (39:43):
It's a cult.
You call it religion if youwant, but it's definitely not
based on the thing that theykeep repeating over and over,
which is science.
It's, it's based on emotion anddesire and self-preservation,
driven by fear.
You know how when you're a kidand your your parents tell you,

(40:05):
that you can have one candy barbut you can't have anymore, and
then you manage to find timewhen none of'em are in the
kitchen and you open up the boxof chocolates and, and, and you
eat like four or five of'em, andthen you put it away and hope
nobody notices.

GWFF (40:21):
Mm.

Gene (40:22):
And,

GWFF (40:23):
So got a similar thing going on.
Yeah.

Gene (40:25):
always get discovered because subconsciously you feel
that guilt.

GWFF (40:31):
Mm.

Gene (40:32):
and your actions, the way that you act in pretending that
nothing's wrong, betrays yourguilt, and your siblings are
usually the first ones to pickit up, not the parents, because
you're pretty good as a kid inlearning how to keep your
parents guessing, but yoursiblings see right through you.

(40:53):
It's like, Okay, what, what didyou do wrong?
You obviously did somethingwrong the way you're acting.

GWFF (40:57):
Yeah.
See, I, I never had no siblings,so I just, just, we feel unique.
And also my parents, they sortof said, It's your own body.
You're screwing up, so eat asmuch of that crap as you want.

Gene (41:08):
Well, that's one way to deal with it, for sure.

GWFF (41:10):
And and also the, to just finish that off as well.
The whole thing about, it's likewhen you're buying fake booze,
you're trying to get in a clubthat you're too old for and
there's a group of you, right?
And you know that in the group,say you've got 12 people going
to a place and three of them arequestionable.
They're right on the edge of theage.
They're like gonna turn 18 or 21or whatever soon.

(41:32):
And you kind of spread'em outthrough the group, right?
To sort of, so that you gotconfident, confident,

Gene (41:37):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

GWFF (41:38):
so, so on and so forth.
That, that is like you'vecorrectly predicted.
It is ending.
It won't be there by the end ofthis century if, if they have
their way.
Cuz the, the Beijing are alreadytrialing the this, this thing
that pre predicts guilty facesand actions and body language
and shifty sort of, remotely andhaving them scooped up pre-crime

Gene (41:59):
And it's not that difficult to do.
It's, it's something that a lotof people have actually learned
and been able to do themselvesgetting computers to be able to.
Do it with AI platform help.
It's just a matter of time.

GWFF (42:17):
It's the data they need to gather the data.

Gene (42:19):
Exactly.
And one of my all time favoritemovies which is Brazil.
Have you seen Brazil?

GWFF (42:24):
Brazil is possibly my favorite movie of all time.

Gene (42:28):
All right, well we have something in common right

GWFF (42:30):
I loved, I met Terry Gillum and I sat there with him
and I, I spoke with him forabout four hours

Gene (42:36):
wow.
Now I'm very jealous.

GWFF (42:39):
oh, he got drunk.
It was brilliant and had acamera as well, and I recorded
all of it.
It was amazing.

Gene (42:43):
that's great.
Would love to see that.

GWFF (42:45):
Oh, it's been hoovered up by the someone

Gene (42:48):
Hoovered up

GWFF (42:50):
Yeah.
So we, I was working at a placecalled The Round House in
Camden, and it's a very famousvenue in North London.
Very cool place.
A lot of artsy fary people playthere, and just anyone who's
sort of respected by their ownpeers tends to play there.
And it, they, they did a sort ofsocial youth thing where there
was like famous people andyouths from the area were

(43:12):
invited in to spend an eveningwith a whole host of very
interesting and, successful,connected people.
And I was made aware that TerryGillian was there when I got
there and I said, Where is hePoint me to him.
I need to have a chat about thisfilm he made.

Gene (43:30):
Yeah.

GWFF (43:31):
and I spoke, I I out the three hour, three, four hours.
I'd say 70 to 80% of the timewas all about the dream
sequences.

Gene (43:41):
Interesting.

GWFF (43:41):
Yeah.
Those things really get me inthat

Gene (43:44):
Yeah.
Oh, it was, it was, it was agreat film.
I've been a fan ever since itcame out.
I saw it in the theater and thenI've had it I've, I've owned the
copy of it for Forever onvarious formats.

GWFF (43:57):
The sound tracker alone is so good.
Ugh.

Gene (44:00):
Oh, it's, it's, it

GWFF (44:01):
favorite song of all time.
That that song Love

Gene (44:04):
Which, which one?

GWFF (44:06):
The main, Jeff Mulder, the title Brazil, His

Gene (44:08):
The, the bra Brazil.
That one?

GWFF (44:11):
When HARs were entertained in June.

Gene (44:15):
That, yeah.
It's, it is

GWFF (44:17):
She wouldn't let me have it as the wedding song, but then
the government wouldn't let mehave a wedding song either.
So there you

Gene (44:22):
what, what do you mean they wouldn't let you have a
wedding

GWFF (44:24):
We got married during the Coate stage.

Gene (44:27):
so you couldn't play music?

GWFF (44:29):
They didn't want anyone dancing.

Gene (44:31):
What,

GWFF (44:31):
They said that dancing was dangerous.

Gene (44:34):
what?

GWFF (44:35):
Yeah,

Gene (44:35):
What the hell do you live, man?
Oh my God.

GWFF (44:40):
they're like in London.

Gene (44:41):
I'm starting to think this whole tidal wave that's gonna
sweep over England might be agood thing.
I mean, No,

GWFF (44:48):
we've been here a while and it ain't going away.
I'll tell you that

Gene (44:52):
Yeah.
We'll see.

GWFF (44:54):
this was the place that those pesky Blum and Fallen
Angels escaped to when they wereflooded out of the that, that,
that first continent before thebig dude came down and crushed
it all and split us all up withthe different faces and colors
and languages and all thatstuff.

Gene (45:08):
Wait at Landis?

GWFF (45:09):
Yeah, so there was that multiple civilizations, and then
they all had this like joiningUping in the middle where you
had this one guy Nimrods and hebuilt the Tower of Baby.
He thought, Oh, I'm gonna go andtake out God and be God.
That'd be nice.
It's the same goal that thisslot I've got.
That's the thing is their MOdoesn't change.
What do they want?
Immortality.
Why do they want it so they canbe God?

(45:31):
Are they

Gene (45:32):
do they want it

GWFF (45:33):
now?
Yeah, always.
Now, Now, now.

Gene (45:37):
Yeah.
I'm not a fan of theirmortality.
I think it, it's overrated,first of all.

GWFF (45:42):
Have you tried it

Gene (45:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Done.
Been there, done that.

GWFF (45:47):
The thing is, is that when they get to that stage, I, I
will want the immortalitybecause there's only one.
It's like, it's gonna beHighlander, isn't it?
Where there's one that's gonnahave to take the others out.

Gene (45:56):
Well, immortality works that way.

GWFF (45:59):
It's brutal.
It's a very dog eat, dog

Gene (46:01):
it, it, it requires a sacrifice.
And the thing is, it, it's thejourney, not the destination
that is interesting.

GWFF (46:11):
Oh totally.

Gene (46:12):
achieving immortality is interesting because it's a
journey.
Having immortality is a deadend.

GWFF (46:20):
No, hold on.
Isn't that, It's a constantjourney.
You can't tell me it's a dead

Gene (46:24):
No, it really is.

GWFF (46:25):
You would run out of things to see and do

Gene (46:29):
the, the interest level in the things you see and do
approaches zero.

GWFF (46:35):
but then doesn't your, You are innate drive to.

Gene (46:38):
is a black pill.

GWFF (46:39):
Yeah, but there's, Hold on.
Cuz if you've, if you aresomeone that is of a mind and a
means to be able to achieveimmortality in the first place,
that puts you amongst the firstof your, of your race to ever do
so as far as their, theirknowledge base

Gene (46:55):
Well, not really, but Okay,

GWFF (46:56):
Well, exactly.
But in their eyes, in the 7.7billion people out here, you're
not one of the average, are you?
Most people are gonna be mortaland you are gonna be first.
Surely you've had to be so,along the way, find pleasure in
everything.
And, and isn't that the, thepoint about the, the familiarity
breeds contempts.
And so if you do something longenough, but then that doesn't,

(47:18):
that that contempt sort of is a,

Gene (47:20):
Do you think, do

GWFF (47:21):
allows you to find new

Gene (47:22):
if you win the lottery right now, do you think you
appreciate more the fact thatother people lost the lottery or
that there's something you cando with the money you.

GWFF (47:36):
I would be crazy mad for Jesus, because that would be a
miracle.
I don't buy lottery tickets,

Gene (47:43):
Well, that's fine, but let's say it's a

GWFF (47:45):
Hypothetically if I did have it I had a, about five
months ago I had a change in, i,I pe cocked.
I, I hit this plateau of myselfwhere I found this, this lovely
little rhythm.
It took me to quit two majorvices in my life to discover it.
But that's when, it's what yousaid earlier about when the
funds stopped, stopped, You knowwhat?

(48:05):
The fund had stopped.
I was doing the things, therepetitive actions, the counting
of the numbers, the max stackingon games, playing cooler duty
all the time, hanging out withpeople that were playing cooler
duty all the time.
And then bouncing back to a nicegood RPG for a few hours to
finish my night off.
A like little top down, click'emup.
And and did, yeah.
Saw some wonderful narrativesand stuff, but I felt that my

(48:28):
time is getting wasted more thanit's.

Gene (48:30):
Oh, sure.

GWFF (48:31):
it.
And so I stopped that and Istopped smoking and using
Marana, the holy Herb,

Gene (48:38):
All right.

GWFF (48:38):
and I thought I'd just focus on developing a television
show.
So that's what I've been doingand it's going very well.
I've got five or six peopleincredibly interested and we're
close to fashion out pitchpitches and I know that I've got
the

Gene (48:52):
And you know why it's more fun to do the television show
than to play Call of Duty?

GWFF (48:57):
You've been proactive rather than reactive.

Gene (48:59):
No.
It's because there's a chance offailure.

GWFF (49:02):
Hmm.
I dunno about that.

Gene (49:03):
strong chance of failure and call of duty.
You never die.
You're immortal.

GWFF (49:08):
Yeah.

Gene (49:09):
what happens is you repeat things over and over, and.

GWFF (49:13):
I have an issue with that sort of mindset.
To be fair, just I feel thatthat's a very limiting mindset.
I don't believe that you haveone shot.
I think no means not today.
Like if I went up to a chick andevery chick that I ever hit on
who said no to me, first off,most of the girls that I ever
step with, they said no to mestraight away.
I, I'm not a someone that youwarm up to initially.
You have to spend a bit of timeto get there.

(49:34):
So then that's just a lesson forlife, isn't it?
Basically, you, you don't,Winners are people that have
been through losing and keptgoing, and they kept going and
they kept going, and they onlyever get remembered as winners.
Because once you become awinner, you elevate yourself
above the losers that puts youup to that next level.

Gene (49:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, it, it's, it's sort of axiomatic,

GWFF (49:56):
yeah, they can see what, what, what ac what's that?

Gene (49:59):
Well, I mean, by definition, a winner is somebody
that, that manages to avoidlosing.

GWFF (50:05):
Right?
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
But to, to do the winning, youhave to go through a lot of
losses.
And people don't remember thoselosses.

Gene (50:12):
Well, you only have to go through the enough losses that
you get to win.
It doesn't have to be a lot.

GWFF (50:18):
But to be consistently good at something and to get
better against better opponentsas you go along, that takes
practice and time and effort.
And if you go up to that firstone and that's, like you said,
there's a high chance of themturning around and saying no.
Well maybe that's because thepeople that aren't doing it
right aren't doing it right.
Like, how much did they, howmuch research have they done?
How mu, how well do they knowthe people that they've sat in
front of, do they know their,what, what they like to eat and

(50:41):
where they like to eat and whothey like to eat with,
basically.
That kind of tells you a lotabout someone, cuz we, we like
forever, when I was first datinggirls, going out for something
to eat with a girl would be theeasiest way of getting alone
time with her.
Cuz you would say, Let's go forlunch.
And they'd say, Yes, that wouldbe nice.
And then you'd go for lunchtogether and, and eating with

(51:04):
someone's very intimate thing.
So it tells you a lot aboutsomeone.
And the more research you do,the better chances there are
that you're gonna get that pitchsealed, isn't it?
Isn't it?

Gene (51:13):
Right, And as as your star starts to rise, then you don't
really have to ask them to go todinner.
You just ask them for a drink,and then eventually you just ask
them for a shag.

GWFF (51:23):
Exactly.
You can kind of have arelationship with someone.
And the thing is, is that everyrelationship with someone is a
relationship and.

Gene (51:31):
going towards relationships, but

GWFF (51:32):
Well that is what it is though.
It is.
You are forming a relationship,even if it's one that's a very
sort of new bar and going to beaborted or terminated in the pre
to it being grown into awonderful, loving living thing.
You know it can be terminated atany time, can't it?
But it's still a relationship.
That's what you're growing alongthe way.
You can't keep it at that level,cuz the longer you spend time

(51:55):
with each other, the more itgoes that way.
Whether you like it or not.

Gene (51:59):
Yeah, that's true.

GWFF (52:01):
It's proximity, isn't it?
That's why twins have such aconnection with each other cuz
they, they spend formation withtheir brains pulsating in an
environment that they are onlyaware of on a.
On a very, sort of rapidlygrowing level, and they come
outta that place and nowsuddenly they're out in the road
and one can go right, and theother one can go left.

(52:21):
But you've had multipleinstances of people saying, I
know, I know exactly what, what,when it had happened, I stopped.
Everyone said, Are you allright?
And I went, Oh, no, Summit.
Terrible has

Gene (52:31):
that's interesting, isn't it?

GWFF (52:33):
It's the time.
It's the time and the proximity,the the two together, that's,
that's why the elites are sointerested in having twins.
I mean, how many twins has Elongot?

Gene (52:42):
I don't know how many has he got?

GWFF (52:43):
I think he's got like two or three pairs.

Gene (52:46):
Really?

GWFF (52:47):
I know he is, got at least nine kids and I'm, but I think
there's like nine times he's hadchildren.
I'm, I've, I'm, I'm inagreement.
I think the guy's clowninghimself personally, but then I
think that's what they've beendoing for ages.

Gene (52:58):
I think well, I mean in, in, in a general sense, that's
what having kids is.
It's trying to cl yourself.

GWFF (53:05):
It's like you grow, you chip off a little bit of the
plant and you nurture it and youstick it in and you wait for the
roots to grow out the tip of thething that you'd brutally

Gene (53:13):
Yeah.
And you hope the clone isn't toodifferently, corrupt from the
way you were

GWFF (53:18):
and the thing is, if, if we've got that going on, then
there's, that throws intoquestion that awful, awful thing
of incest and really incestcomes down to sort of
generational incest.

Gene (53:28):
mm-hmm.

GWFF (53:29):
which is like, as far as I can see,

Gene (53:31):
So we're talking about the royal family now.
Okay.

GWFF (53:34):
Which one?
The one of Kent or the one ofall of, Yeah.
But you

Gene (53:39):
They're all one family.
If you get down to.

GWFF (53:42):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
I, that's kind of, But peoplehave have accepted it almost of
it.
They, they've just kind of

Gene (53:50):
Well, I mean, you just wanted, you mentioned just
earlier today that you wanted to

GWFF (53:54):
The king.

Gene (53:55):
get some Yeah.
Get, get your kid lined up withanother no agenda listener's
kid.
That's what, yeah.
You, you want to expand thefamily and gain land

GWFF (54:04):
a t Yeah, it's a tactical.
It always has been, isn't it?

Gene (54:08):
It's how you get

GWFF (54:10):
really lost sight

Gene (54:11):
you maintain wealth and power

GWFF (54:14):
but then

Gene (54:14):
through your

GWFF (54:15):
the, that's, that's why the flip side of it is that you
have is the best way to exploitthat and to maintain position
whilst you do that is to thenpump into your population and
your society an overt messageof, Hey, you can only do this
then, and here is a load ofsexual stuff to make.
You want to do it all the time.
But it's like, Well, hold on.

(54:36):
You're telling me on one handthat that's a bad thing and it
shouldn't happen even though youare up to it.
And on the second hand you'rethen saying, Eh, have a look at
all this stuff.
It's really nice.

Gene (54:46):
Well, I'd say it's kinda like stranger in a strange land.
You've got you've got certainappeasement that you need to
keep the populous in checkthrough.
Meanwhile, you as the elite,have to be working out the, the
plan for complete totaldomination.

GWFF (55:05):
Over and over and over again, all those thousands of
years of the same plan, and itstill hasn't worked.

Gene (55:11):
Well, they haven't refined it fully yet.

GWFF (55:13):
They refined it once and it got very close, and it, it
caused a calamus event thatreally destroyed a, a lot of
what you would have consideredto be if you put those people in
today's world, you'd call themsouls as humans, and, and they
would say that they

Gene (55:27):
Now, which one are you referring to?

GWFF (55:29):
the pre-flood delusion, isn't it?

Gene (55:32):
Oh, sure.
Yeah.

GWFF (55:33):
Your tar and your, your, all the staff thoughts and the,
the way that they arrange theircities in order to harness
atmospheric energy and thetechnology that went along with
that for a long time.
And that was just kind of, it'sthe stuff that you don't write
down.
And it's like the people thatwin get to write history, don't

(55:53):
they?
And

Gene (55:53):
They do.
They do.
And one of the things I'vebrought up since we're doing the
sitting on the fence looking atthe moon thing, is

GWFF (56:01):
Second half a show already before the

Gene (56:03):
it's well into,

GWFF (56:04):
Well, into

Gene (56:05):
half.

GWFF (56:05):
The siren?

Gene (56:06):
is the, you, you think about Well, we can go back about
8,000 years in, in theuncovering the variety of
artifacts that we've seen aboutcivilization.
We, we have some skeleton finesthat are much, much older into
the millions of years, but, Butthere's a big black hole between
those skeletons and the, thetechnology.

(56:28):
Any type of buildings, anythingthat appears to be manmade has
survived and,

GWFF (56:35):
cube came down like Kubrick

Gene (56:36):
Right, exactly.
Exactly.

GWFF (56:39):
on a level.

Gene (56:39):
My my thought on that was always, well, what, let's say
that, that we have a nuclear warinitiated by the United States
because of Ukraine tomorrow.

GWFF (56:51):
Were they gonna initiate?

Gene (56:53):
well, US is always the one to initiate these things.

GWFF (56:55):
but yeah.
But are they, are they sayingthat it's they're saying that,
we are saying that they'reinitiating it, but the story is
that they didn't

Gene (57:04):
Well,

GWFF (57:04):
that's basically they,

Gene (57:05):
It's a response.
It, it's the same response thatliberals always have.
They, they respond to languagewith actual physical violence.
That, that's effectively theUnited States modus of operandi
here.

GWFF (57:19):
It's not everyone over there though.

Gene (57:21):
it's, well, it's the majority of the people here.
It's the people that elected thepoliticians that we currently

GWFF (57:27):
Yeah, but that's, that's assuming that one vote matters.

Gene (57:30):
It doesn't matter how many votes matter because the people
that didn't agree with thataren't willing to do anything
about it.

GWFF (57:38):
I don't believe that for an instance.
I

Gene (57:39):
Oh, absolutely.
We've

GWFF (57:41):
you've always that.
Yeah, but that's the majorpopulace.
I think within that majorpopulace, you have a sliding a
level that goes from one to a,like the whole thing is, is that
one of the biggest tools thatthe enemy of humanity is used to
divide us is this polarizedthought system of a, of a red or
a blue.
Like once they worked out theprimary colors and the red and

(58:02):
the blue and then there wasyellow.
And yellow was obviously abovethe red and the blue.
Cause it brought light and it'sa tightly different color and
it's a different hue of it'slike, like if you have
ultraviolet or infrared, right?
You've got ultraviolet, which isobviously blue, and then
infrared, it's literally calledinfrared.
But you take that and you putthat across identity politics
and all these differentviewpoints on everything.

(58:22):
Do you drink bloom?
Mean they get two options, don'tyou?
There's obviously one betteroption.
You've got Coke or Pepsi.
Everyone knows what the betterone is.
But why does the other oneexist?
Yeah.
Can the, can, I dunno.
But that whole, that's a gameplan to split people up and it's
dividing, conquer, isn't it?
And as long as you can achieve50 50 on, as on many key areas
as possible, then you haveenough space.

(58:45):
Is that when you're building a,a character on Skyrim or, or
like an RPG or something and youdon't wanna spend, you wanna
MinMax in a way that kind ofstarts as you go along.
Like that's, that's what they'redoing.
They're, they're pushing that indifferent areas and then they're
using faked elections or rigelections to take a census on
that area and see which, whereit leans to the messaging.

(59:06):
Like which, which bit are theypumping out is working, where,
where can they dial it up anddial it down?
That's

Gene (59:11):
Well, it, it sounds like you just called all America a
bunch of NPCs to be

GWFF (59:16):
No cause amongst those NPCs you have players, and
that's what I'm saying, thoseplayers are very much able to,
like DeSantis is coming up, thatpendulum's gonna swing back and
you

Gene (59:27):
Oh, they'll find something on.

GWFF (59:29):
Oh yeah.
But he's, no, I don't think theywill.
I think he's kind of a bitanointed, to be fair.
I mean look where he went toschool,

Gene (59:36):
Where do you go to school?

GWFF (59:37):
Yale,

Gene (59:38):
Oh, they'll definitely find something on him.

GWFF (59:41):
they always gonna get something on everyone.
But it's just like it's powercorrupts absolutely an absolute
power corrupts, doesn't it?

Gene (59:48):
Generally, Yeah, because it, it, it should, It's the way
that we're built, we're builtwith self-preservation in mind.

GWFF (59:55):
But there's a, there's another level to it where you
have self-preservation and thatstacks on top of elevation.
And when you have a sense ofabove and below, it gives you
perspective on who or who youare.
Now seeing now that you've beenraised above, you can see all
the heads that are above you,but everyone below you in your
area can see you at the sametime, and so on and so forth.

(01:00:19):
That is kind of what the Towerof Babbel e even sort of is, is
that's why the, the, it's oftenspoken about that the end times
are like the same ones as thedays of Noah.
I hate to go like bubble bashy,but that's just my worldview
where I'm at.
Like I see that.
I recognize that.
I think that, that you couldimprint that upon multiple
civilizations.
And then to answer your questionof the skeletons and how old

(01:00:39):
they are, I would say thatconsciousness is very much
attributed to the experience oftime that they're kind of,
they're tied to each other.
So for instance, a fly willexperience life just as long as
a human will, but their sense oftime is completely different.
And we like a tree.
It's totally, totally differentsense of growing and going from

(01:01:01):
one thing to another UNCconsciousness.
And it don't mean that anythingthat's alive and experiencing
that don't got feelings now,does it?
They, they could hurt.
You can hurt a dog and a, a wormand a bee and all that sort of
stuff, but that's what makespeople NPCs, isn't it?

Gene (01:01:16):
Can you heard an ai?

GWFF (01:01:18):
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
You can hurt his feelings.

Gene (01:01:21):
Mm-hmm.

GWFF (01:01:22):
Yeah, I think you can be rude to something and there's
another way of approaching everysituation that is in a amenable
way.
That's the art of, of discourse,isn't it Really?
Is, is keeping it going andgetting talking to each other
for a while.

Gene (01:01:34):
Well, I think the art of discourse is getting the other
person to say your message whilethinking it's their original
idea.

GWFF (01:01:42):
Inception, you mean?

Gene (01:01:44):
What's inception?

GWFF (01:01:45):
You know the movie Inception where they go inside
someone's dreams to affect, thedreams to affect and then, but
it brings an out world impactbecause they end up going and
making a different decision.

Gene (01:01:56):
So I don't know if I, if I should admit this or not.
I've never actually seen themovie.

GWFF (01:02:02):
Oh, it's great.

Gene (01:02:03):
Yeah.

GWFF (01:02:04):
Yeah, man.

Gene (01:02:04):
Let's uh, lean out to the capo,

GWFF (01:02:06):
or something or like, smoke.
Smoke a big joint before round.
That's what I used to do.
So I'd burn a, burn a big jointand if it ever dipped in the
middle, I'd be like, I'm goingto get some a drink.
I'd run outside quickly.
Just have a little naughtyshortly.
Go back in.
Cause

Gene (01:02:20):
So how good of a movie is it if you, if it requires that
you.
Get your mind into analternative

GWFF (01:02:26):
It does, it doesn't require it.
It just, it just for me, how Iexperienced it, I, I've very
much enjoyed it because I sawmultiple things.
I mean, I hadn't smoked for afew weeks and I thought, I'll
save it up and I'll, I'll go inthere like really baked and see
how I feel about it.
And it just, it was justbrilliant.
I really loved it.
And I like enjoying otherpeople's products whilst in a

(01:02:47):
state that's much moresuggestive, like I'm already
buying into the fact that I'mlooking at a black mirror and a
screen and, it's, it's basicallymagic and it spells and it's all
this stuff hitting you like amillion miles faster than has
ever been available.
So we think but it's, it'sdifferent.
I feel like you have to be inthe river and along the flow in

(01:03:09):
order to make a difference.
Like I said, you can't just be astick in the mud.

Gene (01:03:12):
Sure.
Not sure how that ties back withWe're talking about what's
happening with the midtermelections being on confirmation
essentially of the United Statesnot wanting to make any changes
in its in the way that, that theUS population is preceding the
world.
I, I guess I would say

GWFF (01:03:31):
Yeah.
Well this is just like, they,they have an option to not do
something, and so they're notdoing it.
It's like inaction is a form of,is a choice, isn't it?

Gene (01:03:41):
it is.
Yes, absolutely.

GWFF (01:03:43):
and that's what they've chosen to do by doing that.
But I also think that themessaging and the timing and
everything about it is verythey're, they're very powerful
right now.
They've, they've saved up a, abig old sacrifice and

Gene (01:03:55):
again, just continue my thoughts.
So let's say we have a nuclearArmageddon tomorrow.

GWFF (01:03:59):
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Gene (01:04:00):
And with the number of nuclear missiles out there,
number of war heads.
Literally everybody dies.
There's nobody,

GWFF (01:04:07):
it?

Gene (01:04:08):
nobody left alive.
So

GWFF (01:04:10):
Just the

Gene (01:04:11):
you look at the current architecture, the current
information storage, we have allof our current technology.

GWFF (01:04:17):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:04:18):
You can see how some of this will survive the nuclear
catastrophe for immediately,right?
But how does this look a hundredyears later or a thousand years
later, or 10,000 years or ahundred thousand years later?
Clearly none of our preservedhuman history that is recorded

(01:04:40):
in the Library of Congress orwherever else on computers or in
paper books, none of thatsurvives.
That's all gone.

GWFF (01:04:48):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:04:49):
The, the pyramids were made of very large stones.
And granted that while limestoneis not the most solid of stones,
their, their sheer size meantthat a, the outer layer could
decay off and, and wash off withweather with the, the rain and

(01:05:11):
things.
And still there would be enoughof the original stones
surviving.
What is the currentcivilization, the point that
we're in going to leave behindif all the humans died tomorrow?
Nothing.
And what will be found?

GWFF (01:05:27):
no one left, would there,

Gene (01:05:29):
Well, there wouldn't be no left, but what would be found by
the next time that there'sintelligent life on the planet
earth

GWFF (01:05:35):
Well, it wouldn't be there.
It would be just total dust andit'd be gone by eating up by
millions.
Cause there's no consciousnessthere.
So.
It just, it feels like fastforwarding on a vhs, like when
it's almost like a tree in theforest that falls.
Does anybody hear it or see itif there's nobody there?
No.
But does that affect the factthat it's fallen in the forest
and all that?

(01:05:55):
The consciousness itself is tiedto the, the act of time, like
passing.
So you could have millions andbillions of years in a short
space of time.

Gene (01:06:04):
Okay.
But regardless of that, the, thequestion is what would that
future civilization find left ofus?
And my point is nothing.

GWFF (01:06:13):
Yeah.
Nothing.
Of course not.

Gene (01:06:15):
And so how do we know that there haven't been dozens or
hundreds or even thousands ofprevious civilizations on this
very planet

GWFF (01:06:25):
Oh,

Gene (01:06:25):
we just don't have any evidence of finding?

GWFF (01:06:29):
Yeah.
They're gone.

Gene (01:06:30):
We could be attempt number 2,854.

GWFF (01:06:34):
But that's, there's a Netflix show about this that's
just come out in there.
Like they've done their own

Gene (01:06:38):
I don't watch the pedophile channel.

GWFF (01:06:41):
Yeah.
But yeah, but it's like, it'sout there.
It's just come out.
It's a sort of a a sort of, whatis it?
A history channel thing, anancient aliens thing

Gene (01:06:49):
Okay.

GWFF (01:06:49):
civilizations and everyone's talking about it.
Like, oh, on, on the one handthey'll ban Rogan

Gene (01:06:56):
Yeah, Ancient aliens.
I, I don't know if they're stillgoing, but I mean, they've been
go, they started 20 years ago.

GWFF (01:07:02):
People love it.
It's, it's the same people thatwatch Info Wars.
Watch ancient aliens.

Gene (01:07:07):
You like,

GWFF (01:07:08):
I think it's very close.
Do you not think there'll be a,a big proportion?
It'd be like the Venn diagramwould,

Gene (01:07:14):
liberals that really like the the ancient alien.

GWFF (01:07:18):
Yeah.
But I think a lot of people justafraid to, because they sense a
majority and so they, they don'tactually come up with their, If
you talk to someone long enough,you always get a sense down in
that this whole liberal, it'sjust another polarization thing.
It's like everyone is everythingat all times, and.
Dial up the interest in onething while dam dampening down

(01:07:39):
the interest in another.
I mean, that's why media andpolitics works hand in hand so
that they can brainwash certainareas into vote in a certain
way.

Gene (01:07:46):
Okay, but was that have to do with ancient alien?

GWFF (01:07:49):
Well, it's the same thing, isn't it?
It's just like the, theinformation that they've been
pumped into your brain that kindof comes out in a conversation
that sort of forms the opinionof other people that speak to
you.
That that is that comes inthrough ancient aliens.
And it's the same thing aspolitics.
And it's just, or being aliberal, like if you're a
liberal, there's, becausethere's another side to a

(01:08:12):
liberal, there's the other side,right?
You've got the two sides of thefence.

Gene (01:08:15):
Okay.
I'm losing it.
What, what other side to aliberal are you referring to?

GWFF (01:08:19):
Well, you've liberal.
Being a liberal means that youare, If you were a fascist, I
suppose you'd be the completeopposite to a liberal, wouldn't
you?
It's close enough, isn't it?
Telling other people what to do.

Gene (01:08:31):
I mean, a liberal in my mind is essentially somebody
that has a.
And I, I, I, I understand thatthere, there's certainly a
difference in terms between UKliberals, American liberals, and
Australian liberals.
Like each of those terms means adifferent thing.
So I, I, I can certainly speakfor the US one, I think much

(01:08:53):
easier because I, I live withthese folks all the time.
But a, a us definition of aliberal is essentially somebody
that believes in a communaldecision making.
Somebody that, that wantseverything to be decided by a
committee rather than anindividual.

GWFF (01:09:11):
really?

Gene (01:09:12):
Yeah.
It's, it's somebody that likesto give away individual rights
in exchange for communal rights.

GWFF (01:09:20):
Like communism,

Gene (01:09:22):
well, not quite, I mean, communism, I think it is an
extension of liberalism, but itgoes much deeper.

GWFF (01:09:29):
just sort of the Venn diagram

Gene (01:09:30):
I don't like calling liberals, communis, or even
socialists because those twoterms have a specific meaning.
Just like, I don't like hearingconservatives be called Nazis.
Like that's not a Nazi, that's adifferent, Nazi has already
what?

GWFF (01:09:47):
a national socialist?

Gene (01:09:48):
Yeah.
Nazi was yeah, Nazi was theabbreviation of the National
Socialist Party in Germany.
But, but there's a, certainly a,a generic description of what a
Nazi is that's evolved sincethat time.
Like you said, the winners getto write history, and I think
the winners got to decide whatNazi means, but the term is just

(01:10:08):
thrown around very loosely rightnow, just for anybody that,
somebody who is on the left sidedislikes, who is to the right of
them, not even necessarilyconservative, but just somebody
to the right of them.
Quite often is labeled as aNazi.

GWFF (01:10:25):
It's just straight up Nazi.

Gene (01:10:26):
People like Tim Poole, who was voting Democrat up until
four years ago, are called Nazison a routine basis.

GWFF (01:10:35):
Do you reckon that's cuz he wears the beanie?

Gene (01:10:37):
Well, he's wore the beanie a lot longer while he was voting
Democrat than he has as aRepublican.
And he's not a Republican.
And he repeats that on a regularbasis too.
It's like, look, I voted forTrump because he was an outsider
to every party.
There's nothing that says he'sgonna vote Republican in the
future, but yet he's considereda Nazi by a lot of

GWFF (01:10:55):
I think it's the optics.
It's the

Gene (01:10:57):
three, four years ago were supporting him.

GWFF (01:10:59):
it's, it's gotta be the beanie.
That beanie will make Anyonethink that you're a Nazi after a
while?

Gene (01:11:03):
I don't believe that Nazis wore beanies unless you have
some imagery I'm not aware

GWFF (01:11:08):
I think the ones in Norway did when they were out in the
cold.

Gene (01:11:10):
Norway was neutral.

GWFF (01:11:12):
Yeah, but when they had to guard the, cause it was still,
there was still ones, there wasaction out in Norway.

Gene (01:11:18):
Well, there was, Yes, the England attacked Norway

GWFF (01:11:20):
Yeah.

Gene (01:11:21):
illegally.

GWFF (01:11:23):
Well, I mean, they, they went outside of their
jurisdiction to

Gene (01:11:26):
Well, there was a neutral country.

GWFF (01:11:28):
Yes, I know, but they did.
They, they still did it though,didn't they?

Gene (01:11:32):
absolutely.
That's what I mean.
I think World War IIpredominantly started by
England.
If you really look at thehistory of it

GWFF (01:11:39):
If you, Yeah, people in England, I hate to say it was
attributed to a la, a

Gene (01:11:44):
well, Winston Churchill, if we wanna get specific

GWFF (01:11:47):
Well, I mean, yeah, that guy was such a evil drunkard,
wasn't he?
Just a terrible human

Gene (01:11:52):
there are people who are not evil, who are drunker as
well.
But in terms of, of politics andspecifically getting getting
both England initially and.
A greater part of the westernworld into war that he was
absolutely responsible for.

GWFF (01:12:08):
Yeah.
He egged it on.
He did what the current lot ofdoing with this stupid stuff in
Ukraine.

Gene (01:12:14):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah.

GWFF (01:12:16):
It's just a man who who fails to study history is doomed
to repeat it.

Gene (01:12:20):
But you know that saying that I think somewhat ignores
the fact that our people thatstudy history and want to repeat
it

GWFF (01:12:30):
Oh, good point.
Yeah, it does, isn't it?
Of course it does.
Not as many of them though, asthe others is there.

Gene (01:12:36):
well, they're usually the ones driving in Rolls Royces

GWFF (01:12:40):
Yeah.
Or yeah.
Other stuff.
Those of

Gene (01:12:43):
or whatever vehicle of choice you can afford to.
Yeah.
But I, I don't know.
I, I think that there's athere's, there's certainly.
A lot of truths to the, what isconsidered conspiracy theories
out there.
But that's not to say that everyconspiracy theory is true.

GWFF (01:13:03):
Oh, definitely not.

Gene (01:13:05):
And there are plenty of them and plenty on both sides of
the aisle that are just, there,there are, they're absurd, but
beyond absurd.
They are much like you describedplaying Call of Duty.
They're just time wasters.

GWFF (01:13:20):
Well, yeah, but I think call duty is feeding a machine
of a data harvesting that isreally working out the nitty
gritty of the little robo dogwarfare that's coming.

Gene (01:13:30):
Yeah, it glamorizes warfare for sure.

GWFF (01:13:33):
They're training up that AI with that though, right?
They've gotta be.

Gene (01:13:36):
I don't know man.
I think they're, they've beentraining.
Male children with it for a verylong time.
And that's generally who's sentoff to fight.

GWFF (01:13:46):
it, Yeah.
And there's a lot of them inthere.

Gene (01:13:49):
It's desen, Desen desensitizing combined with
positive reinforcementtechniques.

GWFF (01:13:57):
Totally.
The little plus fifties plus thehundreds and

Gene (01:14:00):
The,

GWFF (01:14:01):
your emblem and all that.

Gene (01:14:02):
yeah, well you gotta make sure you get your unique
challenge taken care of, getthat, get that extra sticker.

GWFF (01:14:09):
See I never did any of that.
I just ran around with the Thefirst guy.

Gene (01:14:13):
Oh,

GWFF (01:14:14):
Yeah.
I just felt it more interestingto win

Gene (01:14:16):
not a completionist, were you?

GWFF (01:14:18):
Oh no, I couldn't see like the whole prestige thing.
I thought,

Gene (01:14:21):
Mm-hmm.

GWFF (01:14:22):
best of luck.
That's not for me.

Gene (01:14:24):
Oh.
Killing a guy with his own gun.
You gotta get all those.

GWFF (01:14:27):
Oh, you can do that.
But you do that for the funnerstuff anyway, just cuz they've
annoyed you.

Gene (01:14:31):
Yeah.

GWFF (01:14:32):
I mean, it's a little virtual space.
And the thing is, is the, the,the physical spaces are being
closed in you.
Like young people can't actuallyhang out on streets legally cuz
of a lot of overreachingjurisdiction laws about ASBOs
and noise.
And to be fair, young people areallowed and, and they do make
noise.
And, and, and you live on anisland?
Well, I live on an island fullof like curtain twitches.

(01:14:55):
Who would be like, Oh, who'sthat out there?
Oh, don't like them outside myhouse.
Oh no.
Better call the police

Gene (01:15:00):
Well, do you think that's partly cuz you don't have much
land?

GWFF (01:15:04):
Yeah, of course.
A man is his castle, isn't it?
Oh no.
Home.
A man's home is

Gene (01:15:07):
that, if those kids are two kilometers away from your
curtains, would you even care?
I don't mean you, but I mean aperson.

GWFF (01:15:16):
Yeah, I think so.
It depends how much you lovedyour kids,

Gene (01:15:19):
Eh, I think if you live in a, in a genuine castle with
castle walls, you really don'tcare what the surfs and peasants
are doing.
I think it's the, it's theproximity factor, and this is
where you can see a differencein voting patterns between
people that live in highproximity areas like cities
versus the country.
Yeah.
The density.

(01:15:39):
And, and well, that, that's thedensity of the proximity to
other humans.

GWFF (01:15:44):
Exactly.
I always say when people say,We're overpopulated, I go, No,
no, no, no, no.
We're over densified.
Huh?
We're just, we're all packed intogether.
If we spread out a little more,we'd all be fine.

Gene (01:15:54):
and people do it voluntarily.
That's the crazy part.

GWFF (01:15:57):
Yeah.
And they do it long term anyway.
I mean, that's just how it goes,

Gene (01:16:00):
I mean that, I think right now some people are realizing
that it's better to move furtheraway and have fewer neighbors
and have a larger property thatis your.
Than to pay the exact sameamount of money and live in
downtown San Francisco

GWFF (01:16:17):
yeah.

Gene (01:16:18):
or New York.
Or London, or you pick a city

GWFF (01:16:20):
yeah.
It's just a, Yeah.
Silly.

Gene (01:16:22):
and, and this idea that, well, but the cities are so much
better.
You have everything available atwhim.
You can go to a play, you can goto musical performance.
You could do all these thingsthat you can't do in the
country.
Well, you, you can, but shouldyou is the real question.

GWFF (01:16:40):
I dunno.
I think it's not for everyone isit?
But the way that they're going,they're trying to fill these
cities as fast as they canwhilst keeping it nice and thin
on the outside.

Gene (01:16:49):
Yeah.
But I think also people in thecities they have to go to see a
play and, and, and watch musicalperformances and go to many
different restaurants.
Because that literally is allthere is.
They're devoid of theexperiences that humanities had
for millions of years, whichinclude nature.

GWFF (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Gene (01:17:10):
you're not having to be in nature and deal with nature, you
get bored.
And to prevent that boredom fromcoming on, we as humans invent
entertainment.

GWFF (01:17:23):
Exactly.
We come up with it.

Gene (01:17:25):
Yeah.
With that whole concept.
And this is why, again, I comeback to this idea of like, why
the hell actors are consideredimportant by any stretch of the
imagination is insane.
The, these are entertainers muchlike, sports is entertainment.
Much, much like anything thattakes a natural natural human

(01:17:47):
emotional drive and thenreplicates it through a human
created form.
People get excited and I, I canprobably generalize men, but it
doesn't have to be men.
And when watching a footballgame, for example, and it
doesn't even matter if it'sAmerican football or European
football,

GWFF (01:18:05):
Any

Gene (01:18:05):
The excitement is there, right?
I think a little less excitingwatching golf, but but certainly
some,

GWFF (01:18:13):
tennis, you get a neck cake,

Gene (01:18:15):
tennis could be interesting.
I, my personal sport of choicewell, I like a number of'em, but
they're generally winter sports.
But I like curling.
I like by athlon.
But either way, the reason thatsports exists, the reason that
we're willing to do nothing andjust watch other people doing
something competitive

GWFF (01:18:35):
Doing

Gene (01:18:35):
is because, because we're removed from having to do things
that challenge ourselves by notliving in nature.

GWFF (01:18:43):
Yes,

Gene (01:18:45):
A man whose survival depends on his ability to get
things done during the day inorder to survive in the country,
does not have time.
Like people who live in citieshave time to be entertained.

GWFF (01:19:00):
But then someone that lives in a city doesn't have the
time that someone in thecountry's got to spend with
their day.
Everything's more high pressurein a such a, you've gotta pay
your rent, you've gotta paythis.
You've got your economic

Gene (01:19:13):
But I That's, yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
It's a trade off.
So when, when we don't havenature induced stress, we create
human induced stress.

GWFF (01:19:23):
Yes, but manifest it.
You mean outta nothing

Gene (01:19:27):
Well, it's, Yeah.
I mean, manifest creates samething.
It's a we're, we're not willingto live lives without stress.
We're gonna have stress, whetherit's manmade or

GWFF (01:19:38):
a stock, stock home syndrome, stress.

Gene (01:19:41):
Yeah.
And, and it's Stockholm syndromebeing essentially a desire for
something that is a negativeaspect with that is outside of
your means and being drawntoward it.
Much like the a kidnappingvictim who ends up being
sympathetic to the kidnapperswhile being captive.

GWFF (01:20:01):
That's where, that's where that comes from.
But it's, that's kind of whatwe've got with the stress re
reaction.
And I think if you can, if

Gene (01:20:08):
because we're built for it.
We,

GWFF (01:20:10):
you can live without it, it's much, isn't it?
You'd live

Gene (01:20:13):
But that's the thing I think, I don't think humans are
capable of living withoutstress.
I think this is, whether youwanna look at it as intelligent
designer, we wanna look at hisevolution for however long
people have been, people they'vehad to deal with the stress of
nature.
It's only within the lastseveral hundred years that we've

(01:20:35):
been able to remove a lot ofthose stresses.

GWFF (01:20:38):
yeah.
We're getting

Gene (01:20:39):
we're not, we're not designed to live without stress.
Our systems require stress inorder to actually function.
And so we create stress.

GWFF (01:20:52):
Yes.
People do create their owndrama, don't they?
They love it.

Gene (01:20:56):
Well, it's not just drama.
Why do people start working outwhen they live in the city?
Because they don't get enoughexercise that you would if you
were living in the country.
And if you don't get enough ofthat exercise, your body starts
to deteriorate because it's notdesigned to live without that
physical stress.
And in the same way, it's notdesigned to live without other
types of stress.

GWFF (01:21:17):
The emotional or economic whatever.

Gene (01:21:21):
is input into our computers.
And if you don't have any input,then you're not gonna have any.
And this is why immortalitysucks.
I appreciate you being ontoday's podcast.
I've thoroughly enjoyed theconversation.
Hopefully you did as well.

GWFF (01:21:38):
too.
Yeah, it was great.

Gene (01:21:40):
Any, anything else to call out any other podcasts or other
things you mentioned you weremaybe doing some music that you
wanna

GWFF (01:21:48):
Yeah.
I do gu, just a GW FFF at nosocial.
And I hang out on jt see mostnights, just right in and
chatting and build in stuff onthe internet.
The beautiful digital kingdomthat we've got going here.
sure it keeps happening and to,to be participating in it seems
to be, makes the most sense tome at this stage.

(01:22:08):
I mean, having had a look at theother lot, the mainstream media,
it seems a no brainer not to dopodcasts like this.
So yeah, it's lovely.
Love to have a chat.
I'll always do it.

Gene (01:22:17):
Very good.
And with that, we will catch younext week.

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