0097 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Adam

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Gene (00:00):
Today were joined by like guy that I've known him for

(00:02):
quite a while, but I've nevermet.
His name's Adam.
Adam, how are you?

Adam (00:06):
I am doing well.
How are you, Gene

Gene (00:08):
good.
Good.
How long do you figure We'veactually virtually met or known
each other online?

Adam (00:13):
Oh, that's a really good question.
I'd tell you at least, what,three or four years now?

Gene (00:17):
Probably.
That's why I was thinking it'sthree to four years.
Somewhere in that range.
Cuz it was when I came back toour mutual group that plays
world of Worships, which when,when I left, I don't think you
were in.
And then when I came back thereyou were.

Adam (00:34):
I just popped out of the middle of nowhere.

Gene (00:36):
That's right.
And I actually do get kind of akick out of making people's
mouths open up a little bit.
Say Yeah, I'm in the Texas Klan.
Yep.
Yep.
We meet up, every, every weekwe've got we got some maneuvers
that we go through.

Adam (00:51):
Yeah, yeah,

Gene (00:52):
Mm-hmm.
So welcome, welcome.
Texas Klan brother,

Adam (00:55):
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm glad to be here.

Gene (00:58):
Uhhuh, Uhhuh So, and

Adam (01:00):
Was that not sincere enough?

Gene (01:02):
no, that was, that was perfect.
I can see the your, youreyeballs darting back and forth
through the phone lines theregoing what the hell am I getting
myself?

Adam (01:10):
Oh man.
I'm glad I wore my boots tonightcuz this is getting deep

Gene (01:15):
Yeah.
Well, and I don't know if it'sjust world of Worships because
different games use differentnomenclature for what a group of
people in the same group arereferred to as.
But certainly in World of Tanks,world of warships, it seems like
clans are what these groups arecalled.

Adam (01:35):
yeah.

Gene (01:36):
Extended family unit for people that don't know the
actual meaning

Adam (01:39):
well, I, we're basically family we're, granted I would
say, we're a broken family, butwe're, we're a family

Gene (01:45):
it's a lot of drinking going on in this family.

Adam (01:49):
Lots of therapy.

Gene (01:51):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of drunk conversationshappen for sure.
Also seem to be predominantly anolder family.
Now you are one of the youngerwhipper snappers in the group.

Adam (02:02):
I am.

Gene (02:02):
Yeah.
And how old are you though?

Adam (02:05):
Oh, that's a good question.
If I carry the 2 28.

Gene (02:09):
Yeah.
So you're still in yourtwenties, so you were like in
your mid twenties when we firststarted playing together.

Adam (02:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So one of our one of our clanmates I had actually, I never
was in a clan, never was in any,online gaming groups.
And we just kept getting droppedinto these same battles, and

Gene (02:28):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (02:28):
sending me a message, and next thing hey, welcome to
Texas.

Gene (02:32):
Yeah.

Adam (02:33):
And I've met a lot of great people.
I've met a lot of stinkers too,but

Gene (02:37):
that's a good point.
There's definitely been a goodshare of people coming through
and sometimes staying for quitea while that fall into this
stinker category.
And, and really when you play agame with random people, the
only thing you really give ashit about skill, like all the,
teenage messages about yourmother don't really matter if

(03:00):
they're playing well.
When you play with the samepeople over and over when you're
in a group with them you, youkind of need to make sure the
personalities don't rub eachother wrong either.
It's not just about the qualityand the skill.
It's about a combination ofskill and behavior like towards
each other.

Adam (03:18):
Yes.

Gene (03:20):
So

Adam (03:21):
it's a, it,

Gene (03:23):
yeah, it's there.
There's definitely I think it'smuch easier to be in a group
with like-minded folks playinggames when the country that
you're in isn't on the verge ofcivil war as well.

Adam (03:37):
Well, then again, there have been some pretty close
civil wars in some of the groupsthat I've been in.
I wouldn't say directing towardsany one, but there's usually
some conflict, but not to theextent that we're seeing here
nationwide.

Gene (03:51):
yeah, yeah.
That's, but I, I think thingsare still moving in the right
direction or well, rightdirection in the direction of
more conflict.
There's a, a book that a friendof mine wrote many years back
called Pendulum thathistorically goes through and
documents a 40 slash 80 yearcycle.

(04:14):
So it's, it's 41 extreme to theother, or 80 to get back to
where the pendulum waspreviously cycle.
And the cycle that we're inright now is exactly at the very
left word edge of that pendulumswing, where the the pendulum
extreme points are betweenbetween sort of a socialist

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mentality or a mentality ofgroups.
It doesn't have to be socialistin the political system, but
just, it's basically groups.
It's the we.
And then the other extreme isit's the I or the me or the
individualism.
And so where we are today in2023 is exactly 40 years from

(05:00):
the pinnacle of the me, whichwas 1983.

Adam (05:04):
Yeah.

Gene (05:05):
So 83 was that point where if you weren't looking out for
yourself and then there'ssomething wrong with you, like
people would be making fun ofyou.
Everybody was all about the me,the self.
And right now everything isgroup think.
Everybody's talking and thinkingin terms of what's good for the

(05:27):
group, or which group's gettingoffended or what group's
responsible.
And regardless of whether youhave any knowledge of the thing
you're responsible for, I mean,straight white males pretty much
responsible for everything.
Bad period,

Adam (05:40):
Oh.
Oh, I know.
I'm Public Enemy number

Gene (05:42):
public enemy number one.
But yet somehow believe in thescience, which the science is
pretty much the product of allthose years and years of
straight white males.

Adam (05:51):
Yeah.

Gene (05:52):
So it's funny how that works.

Adam (05:55):
Well, it's, it's funny that you say, we're in that 40
year swing on the pendulum.
I would say it feels more likewe're in that swing, but it's
all the way to the left insomeone's holding the

Gene (06:06):
mm-hmm.
well in the, according to thebook.
So if you trace back through allthe history 2023 was the, the
edge.
Or 83 or any of those.
So basically we've now justentered and it's not even so
much that the book makespredictions as it just talks
about past cycles and thatthey're unc candidly the same

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length.
And so this year is, if the samepattern holds, then this year
should be the very edge of thatgroup think mentality.
And next year things should bestarting to shift in the other
direction, but it's gonna take40 years to get to a point where

(06:49):
everything is in the exactopposite side.
That would be similar to 83,where it's the individualism,
not the group think that is thestandard, the norm for society.

Adam (07:03):
sure.

Gene (07:04):
So, and you can never, of course ever really say that it's
fully predictable.
It's just when you observepatterns in the past, quite
often you can extrapolate themfor the future.

Adam (07:14):
Well, wait a minute.
Are you saying that you'relooking at previous history and
making a conclusion on what isgoing to happen?

Gene (07:20):
How extremely,

Adam (07:22):
That is

Gene (07:23):
old white male of me

Adam (07:24):
That is not allowed anymore.

Gene (07:26):
yes, that's part of, part of the problem clearly is
looking at past history and, anddoing analysis on it.
I think analysis in general isproblematic.
Clearly that's, you should bethinking, with your.
And not with your brain.

Adam (07:40):
I'm not even gonna comment on that.

Gene (07:42):
there's gonna be a bit of sarcasm here in this show.
I

Adam (07:45):
I was, I I, I'm starting to pick up a little bit on it.
A little bit.
know, it, it's, it's the feelgood generation is what we've
been living in.

Gene (07:54):
and that that often comes from an abundance.
An abundance and a lack of wars,a lack of conflict.
It, it is something that makespeople feel like, here's the
thing, I I think people tend tohave a need for a certain amount
of stress.

Adam (08:13):
Yeah.

Gene (08:13):
And that stress can be external.
It can come from literalhardships, or if those don't
exist, if you're living in a,and look, nothing's utopian, but
you're living closer to utopia,closer to what your grandparents
would've thought as what theywanted for you, they don't want
wars.
They don't want any kind of lackof food.

(08:35):
They like the things that yourgrandparents would wish for you.
If you're actually living inthose conditions, you're going
to take things that aren'tnearly as big and as stressful
as what they live through, andstill treat them with the exact
same amount of stress.

(08:56):
That much bigger things would'vecaused for previous generations.

Adam (09:00):
Yeah,

Gene (09:01):
so I think there is a, it's, it's almost like if you
look at, at at this from asociological standpoint like
that, there's a correction thattakes place.
It's an automatic correctionthat, that kicks in in humanity.
When things get to be too good,then people's temperaments will

(09:22):
start creating conditions thatwill create the bad.

Adam (09:28):
sure.

Gene (09:29):
we're seeing that right now more the, the conflict
happening in Ukraine, which I'm,I'm kind of in the process of
relabeling as the slavi civilWar because really, I think from
a future context, looking backat it, that's what it's gonna be
seen as.
It's, it's the, the war of theslavi people with each other to

(09:50):
a degree that's really neverhappened before.
mean, certain, there have beencertain countries that have
certainly been at war with eachother, but rarely has that been
happening, where it's justhappening in slavi countries.
It's usually been a part ofother conflicts.
So, with what's happening rightnow, I think we were closer than

(10:10):
we've ever been to the brink ofnuclear annihilation.
I certainly wasn't around whenthe Cuban missile crisis
happened but I think we'recloser to it today than we were
during the Cuba missile crisisfor a number of reasons.
One is the number of atomicweapons right now on both sides

(10:31):
is way higher than it was atthat point in time.
The the ability of each countryto deliver those weapons without
getting'em blown out of the skyis much higher as well.
Like there's a better successrate, if you want to call it
that, even though that successwould mean the, in the humanity.
But there's a better successrate in being able to deliver

(10:53):
the nuclear weapons andannihilate the entire
population.
And it seems like while there'sthis slavi civil war happening,
the US is doing everything thatit can to antagonize the one
side of that, the side with thenuclear weapons during this
civil war.
And it's God damn it, it, it'salmost like people have a death

(11:14):
wish.

Adam (11:15):
I, I, don't believe that we're any worse right now and
the nuclear threat as we didduring the Cuban Missile Crisis.
But I do believe the threat isstill there.
I just, I really don't see theUkrainian Russian War right now

(11:37):
as being all that has beenplayed up to be on the the way
they're broadcasting itthroughout the news.

Gene (11:45):
Now the propaganda is super

Adam (11:47):
the propaganda is unbelievable.
I think this is, I don't know.
I'm not gonna say I don't like,is it zelensky?
The

Gene (11:58):
Oh, you can say it.
I don't like Zelensky.

Adam (12:01):
well, I mean, I think he's just using this as a cash grab.
I just wanted to pronounce aguy's name.
Right.

Gene (12:06):
Yeah.

Adam (12:07):
But I think it's a cash grab.
I think there's some kind ofdirty, playbook going on in
between him and Putin.
I believe that they are incahoots and they're trying to
bankrupt us even worse than whatwe are right now.
I think them and China and allof them are working together.

Gene (12:21):
yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it.
I've heard some theories thatChina is definitely behind
Zelensky in terms, not in termsof meki and wind, but in terms
of maximizing, squeezing themost money out of the us.
I have not heard of somebodyproposing that Russia's doing
that because, both Russians andUkrainians are getting killed by
the busload.
So there's a lot of, there's ahigh cost to it.
There's not a high cost toChina.

(12:44):
China can definitely, andthey're one of the primary
beneficiaries out of thisconflict because they're the
only ones that are, the onlything China's gotten as a result
of this conflict is cheap oilfrom Russia.

Adam (12:58):
Yeah.

Gene (12:59):
So they're benefiting without participating.

Adam (13:02):
And I, and I really think that Biden had a hand in that
also.

Gene (13:06):
Yeah.
The connection between Bidenthrough his kid and China just
keeps getting just Mercury andMercury.

Adam (13:13):
Well, yes.
His son and that whole Barisma,Barisma I, whatever it was.
And the fact that that Nordstream pipeline, that every,
administration previously hadsaid, absolutely not.
We're not gonna pass that.
And then he turns around on afirst day of office, cancels our
own pipeline ventures, and thengreen lights Putin to do that.

Gene (13:34):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (13:37):
that was pretty dirty.
Now that's basically a chokehold on the entire European
block countries, Germanythey're, I know you and I have
discussed it about how Germanyis, on the brink of collapse.

Gene (13:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Their, their manufacturing baseis just about permanently gone.

Adam (13:58):
I, I really think that there's a, and I kinda leans
back to the globalist theory.
I think that they are trying toeliminate individual nations,
individual privacies, individualthoughts and, and freedoms and
just trying to make it aglobalist, we're the super
controlling factor of everybody.

Gene (14:19):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean the, there certainlyseems to be a group of people,
not a very large one, but agroup of people who had the best
years they've ever had for thelast few years financially.
Like they're profiting offcovid, they're profiting off the
Ukraine situation.

Adam (14:37):
Oh, they're definitely profiting off Covid.

Gene (14:39):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And you think about this, likein the us who benefits, who's,
who are really the only peoplethat benefit from the a hundred
billion that the US is nowcommitted to sending to the us.
A lot of over half of which hasalready been sented.
Well, it's the it's, it's themilitary manufacturers, it's the
weapons manufacturers.

(14:59):
This is a absolute boon for thembecause just after Biden pulled
out of Afghanistan andincidentally left several
billion dollars worth ofweaponry there,

Adam (15:10):
Boy, that was a nice donation to the Taliban

Gene (15:12):
Oh yeah, the Taliban appreciated because they, they
now, they've got a, a betterequipped army than most of their
neighbors, frankly.
But also they have, there's justso much stuff there that they
were able to liquidate a lot ofit and sell it off.
And it, you can't even call itblack market cuz it's not black.
It's legitimately their propertythat they're selling that was
abandoned by the us

Adam (15:32):
Yeah.

Gene (15:33):
To, to be able to build up a nice, nice little war chest a
nice fund of all the weaponrythey've been able to sell that
the US graciously donated tothem.
Well, not bringing that back wasalso a gift to the military
manufacturers, because if youleft it there, then it's gotta
be replaced, right?

Adam (15:51):
Yeah.

Gene (15:52):
So they got a bump from that.
And then after with the wholeUkraine situation, now they're
getting a huge bump because alot of the money that has been
authorized isn't just a cashpayment sent over there.
Believe me, there's plenty ofthat unfortunately as well,
which goes partly into Biden'spocket, I believe, partly into

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Zelensky S Pocket and partlyinto whoever the, the shadow
staff is there that makes surethat all this money disappears.
And by the time there'ssomething that actually gets to
Ukraine, it's, it's a smallfraction of what was initially
authorized and sent by the US.
but even aside from that, the,the, a very large chunk of that

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money is just going directlyfrom the US government to US
manufacturers of these weaponsin order to provide the
replacements.
And then the, the stuff that'sactually sitting in the
warehouses is what's beingshipped over to Ukraine.

Adam (16:53):
Yeah.
Well, maybe, hopefully some ofthat money that Biden got back
on that, maybe he'll buy abetter lock for his garage.

Gene (17:01):
Well, having classified documents in a house that his
kid who is on the board ofdirectors of Chinese companies
as well as Ukrainian companiesis living in, just seems to me
like the kind of thing that getsyou thrown out of office, but
maybe not, I don't know.
We'll find out I guess.
But how, they're, they're,they're making such a big deal

(17:23):
about Trump having classifieddocuments in his home, in a
locked room in Florida, and atthe same exact time.
In fact, even throughout thiswhole escapade, there's Biden
who doesn't have the ability todeclassify documents.

Adam (17:40):
Well, he does now, but he

Gene (17:42):
well now he does, but he didn't at the time that they,
they were left there.
So you can say he can certainly,he could declassify'em right now
if he wanted to, but for threeyears the documents were sitting
in a house he wasn't living in.
But rather he was renting out tohis kid.
But it's almost irrelevant thatthat's his kid.
He was renting that house outand that house had classified

(18:03):
documents.

Adam (18:04):
Yeah,

Gene (18:05):
How do you not get in trouble for that?

Adam (18:06):
well, he probably forgot and he profoundly forgot that he
was even renting a house to hiscrackhead son.

Gene (18:11):
and I think you're right on both counts.
And a person that keepsforgetting those things has no
business being the president ofthe country.

Adam (18:19):
Well, neither does Herman Munster being a senator for
Pennsylvania

Gene (18:24):
the people of Pennsylvania have clearly spoken, I'm sorry,
I can't even say that with astraight face.
It, it is just so ridiculous.
The, the fact that they wouldelect somebody with no brain,

Adam (18:38):
Well, I mean, he is still got a brain.
It's just some of it's onvacation right now.

Gene (18:43):
I don't think it's ever coming back, man.
This, this guy can barelyremember his name.
I mean, it's, I remember when mydad was in a major car accident,
they had to airlift him from thecar wreck to a hospital, and
then it took, like a day for himto regain consciousness and
stuff.
And he could speak, he could usewords.

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They weren't always the rightwords.
He, I remember he would saythat, when he looked at an
analog clock, he knew that itwas a clock, but he couldn't
tell what time it was.
Because the, the part of thememory that corresponded to the
locations of the hands wasn'tworking like he was gone.

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So he, he looked, he knew whereto look to see what time it was,
but couldn't tell what time itwas,

Adam (19:33):
Yeah.

Gene (19:34):
stuff like that.

Adam (19:35):
And I, and I'm sure you noticed, when someone goes
through something like that, astroke, and they lose, simple,
common abilities, thefrustration and the anger is

Gene (19:47):
Oh, it builds up.

Adam (19:48):
awful.
So now we have an angry guy thatwas already angry before chasing
around an African American manwith a shotgun.
That's the other thing thatblows my mind.
If that would've been anybody onthe G o P ticket and that came
out, they would've rode that.
Like Dead Horse said it was,

Gene (20:05):
Oh.
But, Democrats aren't racist bydefinition.

Adam (20:08):
oh, I'm sorry.
I, I forgot.
I

Gene (20:10):
Yeah.
You gotta remember

Adam (20:10):
Remember, I'm just, I'm just the, the simple minded
white guy.
I'm remember we're, I'm PublicEnemy number one,

Gene (20:17):
Well, you are, you are.
And you're part of the screwedover generation as well.
Now, I did an interviewpreviously on this channel with
Zach, who was a a zoomer.
He, he's 20 years old right now,and he was one of the guys that
Covid hit when he was a seniorin high school.
So basically his entire senioryear got fucked over.
and see like your senior year inhigh school is something most

(20:40):
guys look forward to for atleast five, six years.
previous to

Adam (20:43):
yeah.
Not for, all of the

Gene (20:46):
Oh.
For,

Adam (20:46):
education.
Yeah, oh yeah, The educationalpurposes.
yeah.

Gene (20:50):
it's completing your education.
Yes.
That's what

Adam (20:51):
Well, I mean, technically that would, I would consider
that your education,

Gene (20:57):
So now, at, at your age let's see.
So you were, you were still inhigh school or junior high
during the last financialdownturn?
Like 2009.
2010.

Adam (21:08):
2008, 2009.
So that would've put me right.
Coming out of middle school.
Yeah.

Gene (21:15):
Okay.
So you, you're probably a littletoo young to really notice
anything about it.

Adam (21:19):
Oh, no, I remember.
I mean, being in a familybusiness, I definitely remember
all of the hardships that weregoing on.

Gene (21:25):
Yeah.
Family businesses felt a lotmore, I'm think, than just
people working at regular jobs.

Adam (21:31):
oh, for sure.
As the housing market exploded,I remember all of the, you.
People saying that the timeswere coming to an end and then,
shortly after the economicturndown, then we had that whole
2012 Mayan clock.
Everybody's gonna die.
The world's coming into it.
I, I feel like everybody haslived through enough, world
ending crisises

Gene (21:52):
Yeah.

Adam (21:53):
I just kind of hear about the next one.
I go, really?
Why can't we just move on andjust keep working?
I mean, this is stupid.

Gene (22:00):
and, and there does seem to be a crisis about every
decade, give or take.
And the older I get, the more Irecognize this is a regular
phenomenon, but it's alwaystreated as the, the, it's like
first time in a hundred yearsthat's how it's treated.
So there's, for me, I rememberwhen, when George Bush Sr.
Pulled us into the first GulfWar and

Adam (22:23):
invaded Kuwait,

Gene (22:25):
yes, Domin va, like two countries in the Middle East
that have nothing to do with theus,

Adam (22:29):
oil, oil, buddy, there's oil over

Gene (22:32):
Well, that's the connection, obviously.
Right?
But, and, and incidentally, outof those two, it was Iraq that
the US had supplied withweapons.
And the leader was extremelyfriendly to the US because
during the Iran Iraq war, the USwas very much propping up Iraq,

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which probably would've lostthat war.
And Iran would've dominatedIraq.
And we wouldn't have had AAMPosse and Kuwait would've been
invaded.
But because the US was proppingup Iraq, we ended up where we
were.
And incidentally, he had a, avery good reason to invade
Kuwait.
Which was I think obfuscatedduring the war, but became very

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cleared after the fact, which isthat Kuwait was drilling
diagonally underneath theirborder with Iraq to suck out
Iraqi oil.
So, and, and this is, this issomething that they, they, it's
not like it happened out of theblue.
They were warned about, therewas conversation about it, there

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was threats from Iraq that ifyou don't stop doing this, we're
gonna come in and shut down yourwells.

Adam (23:43):
Yeah.

Gene (23:43):
And then they did.

Adam (23:45):
Yep.

Gene (23:45):
And the US clearly somebody in the state department
made the case that, we don'treally need Iraq because they're
not really fighting Iraqanymore.
So here's a plan for us to get awhole bunch of free oil out of
there.
All we gotta do is just come inand topple their, their
leadership and then we'll get atleast a decade of free oil.

Adam (24:06):
Yeah,

Gene (24:07):
And that's kind of what happened.

Adam (24:09):
that's exactly what

Gene (24:10):
Mm-hmm.
So it, it is the worst behaviorthat the US gets accused of
quite frequently, which isimperialism which is ignoring
the standards, norms ofinternational treaties and order
and just coming up with theserationalizations for, for why

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us.
Sticks its foot into othercountries with a fairly
substantial US militaryfootprint.
And you start, you you, younotice one or two of these when
you're young.
And as you get older, you juststart seeing a pattern again
because they're, this happens onthe regular basis.
The US is always trying to comeup with what, what's the next

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country that we're gonna have aconflict with?
What are we gonna do?
Even during the relative peacetime of bill Clinton's
administration in the latenineties, like we still managed
to bomb Serbia,

Adam (25:10):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (25:11):
and which again over the years have it is, it is been
demonstrated that all thereasons, all the rationale that
was brought up as to why it'shappening was entirely made up.
There were no atrocities beingcommitted.
There were no mass graves.
It was all propaganda.
It was all bullshit.
It was just a civil warhappening in the country where
the US got the itchy triggerfinger and probably prompted by

(25:34):
money from donations fromRaytheon and other military
contracts said, Hey, there'ssomething going on there.
It'd be great if we got involvedbecause then we can sell some
weapons.

Adam (25:46):
Yeah.

Gene (25:47):
And for whatever reason, the US picked the Muslim side
over the ca, the, Christian sideof that.
And ended up bombing the hellout of this Christian country

Adam (25:57):
Well, we gotta be equal opportunity

Gene (26:00):
equally Yeah.
Well, we've, we've certainlybombed plenty of Buddhists in
Vietnam and every otherreligious denomination out there
over the years.
So it, it is not at all asurprise to me that the US is
trying to pour more gasoline onthe the fire that is the slavi

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civil war.
It, it absolutely is part forthe course.
The difference here ishistorically the US has done
this with countries where theconflict is, know, it's a third
world thing.

Adam (26:34):
Yeah.

Gene (26:35):
So this is the first time that they're doing it with,
directly with anothersuperpower.
And I think that's where thedanger lies.
And that's why I think right nowwe are much closer than we've
ever been to Annihilation.
And I know it's easy to say,wow, it's just tar power.
Nobody in their right mind wouldlaunch stuff.
It doesn't take somebody intheir right mind or wrong mind.

(26:57):
All it takes is for a mistake tobe made.

Adam (27:00):
Yeah,

Gene (27:01):
That's it.
And it, and it, one side makes amistake.
The other side responds to it,and then the first side response
to that response.
That's all it is.

Adam (27:11):
but

Gene (27:11):
It, it's, it has nothing to do with even a, blood lust
for.

Adam (27:16):
I, I, my biggest struggle is I'm really trying to see the
justification that can be saidfor why the US has to be so
involved in this conflict.
There is no, I, I don't

Gene (27:29):
It's financial.
That's all it is.

Adam (27:31):
I know it's financial, but it's only Pat in the backs of a
select few that are in poweredto make these decisions.

Gene (27:38):
Yep.

Adam (27:39):
I don't see any benefit for the United States as a
country to be involved in that.
In fact, I think we should bestaying well clear of it.

Gene (27:49):
Yeah.

Adam (27:50):
But, hey, we got, we got Uncle Joe and we got Herman Mun
and, and we got well, not I, Iguess not anymore, but we did
have old granny Pelosi.

Gene (28:01):
Oh yeah.
Granny Pelosi.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's I think you just use M's.
Razor.
The, the thing that makes themost sense is the most likely
course of events here.
And the way that Congressoperates is they're not trying
to do what's good for the peoplethat elect them.
They do what will generate themthe most money coming in, in

(28:26):
fundraising and the, the, wherethe majority of that money comes
from are special interest.

Adam (28:32):
Yeah.

Gene (28:33):
the lobbyists that are providing huge amounts of money
from corporations, from not evenjust individual corporations,
but special interest groups forthat industry.

Adam (28:46):
Well, that kind of leads back and ties into one of the
reasons that both sides of theaisle had such a problem with
Trump when he was in office.
Now, let me phrase again, likewe'd spoke to one another in the
past.
I am not a super Trump dude.
I didn't like him when he ran.
I didn't like some of the stuffhe'd done.
But he was uncontrollable fromthe political narrative.

(29:08):
He didn't need their money.

Gene (29:10):
right?

Adam (29:11):
And I think that that was one of the reasons that, both
sides of the is had so manyproblems with him and wanted to
get him as far away as.

Gene (29:20):
I totally agree.
I think, and this is the samereason that right now the the
villain of the hour is Elon Musk

Adam (29:28):
Yeah.

Gene (29:29):
because he is not viable.
He doesn't need other people'smoney because he's literally the
richest man on the planet.
And consequently, if you can'tbuy somebody off, that makes
them dangerous

Adam (29:45):
Yeah.

Gene (29:46):
minds of these folks.

Adam (29:48):
Well, we'll see if Elon continues being the wealthiest
man in the world with this wholeTwitter scandal.

Gene (29:54):
Oh, I think he I think the, he's got enough buffer
there that even if Twitter goesout of business, he's still the
wealthiest man in the world.

Adam (30:00):
Really?
I would've figured that Amazondude

Gene (30:03):
no, Amazon's not doing great.
Their stock went down like 26%.

Adam (30:07):
Really?

Gene (30:08):
Yeah.

Adam (30:10):
Hmm.

Gene (30:10):
Amazon really peaked during Covid.
It was a time where everybody,even people that were still
driving to Walmart to buy shitor wherever your store happens
to be even those people justsaid, fuck it.
I'm just ordering from Amazon.
It's, it's they're theycurrently have a hiring freeze

(30:32):
and for an, all of Amazon, alldivisions of Amazon are under a
hiring freeze.
And this is, this is after theyalready had layoffs, I think
back in November, I believe iswhen they had some layoffs.

Adam (30:47):
See I've, I've got a friend that, that works for
Amazon and I, last, last, yeah.
everybody has a buddy, you knowyour buddy is in your
neighborhood with Amazon.
He, he's in conversations I hadwith him cuz I remember I
reading on the news that Amazonwas doing a bunch of layoffs and
closing down a lot of facilitiesand the first thing he said was

(31:07):
that, is anything Amazonrelated, not related to
fulfillment centers.

Gene (31:15):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (31:16):
They are still building those and they are still hiring
like crazy for the

Gene (31:20):
Oh, that's, that's probably true.
But a lot of those fulfillmentcenters, they have low wage
workers and robots.
But yeah, so I just pulled upAmazon, so Amazon for a year
from last year this time, soexactly a year goes trading at
158,

Adam (31:36):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (31:38):
and right now it's trading at 87.

Adam (31:42):
Mm,

Gene (31:43):
That's a pretty big difference.
That's, that's actually over a35% drop here.

Adam (31:50):
See, I hadn't realized I'd dropped that hard.

Gene (31:52):
Yeah.
And

Adam (31:53):
I don't, I don't play the stock game.
That,

Gene (31:55):
Sure.
Well, they peaked at 170 lastyear, and on Jan in the
beginning of January, they were81.
So they, they literally are,were at half their peak of last
year just last week.
Now they're up a little bitsince then

Adam (32:11):
Well, they're up, 2.99%

Gene (32:13):
Their year to date is up from 86 to 98, so it's a decent
bump back up.
But generally speaking,Amazon's, banner time is the
fourth quarter of the year.
It's a Christmas, it's holidaysshopping.
So the fact that that didn'thappen really last year, it's
kind of, that was a big, I thinka big reason for the dropping

(32:36):
stock price.

Adam (32:37):
Yeah.
Cuz in the past year they'redown 38.26%.
That's ouch.

Gene (32:43):
Yep.
So I don't think it's gonna beBezos And meanwhile SpaceX, I
don't know if you're a spacedude at all or not, but they
just did a, a very beautifullaunch of the the heavy version
of their, their rocketyesterday.

Adam (32:59):
Oh really?

Gene (33:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And so if you haven't watchedit, you probably just watch a
YouTube re replay.
They very rarely do them, butit, because most companies don't
want to pay the money for, fordoing that launch.
It's significantly moreexpensive than their single
rocket, more typical launch thatthey do.
It just looks cooler.

(33:20):
I mean, it's visually

Adam (33:21):
Oh, it's, it's stunning.
It's

Gene (33:24):
Yeah.
And then, watching thoseboosters.
Pop off the sides and then flythemselves back to their, their
location where they flew offfrom and then land and literally
land together.
I mean, it's just like, this hasgotta be sci-fi.
This can't actually be real,that a rocket can just bring

(33:45):
itself back and land on thelaunch fad.

Adam (33:47):
SpaceX is an excellent example of what the free market
can do and can in the, I don'tknow how long has, have they
been around what, 15

Gene (33:59):
a while actually.
But they, they, it took'em awhile to really get their legs
out together.

Adam (34:03):
But in the short amount of time that they have done this,
it's incredible what they aredoing as compared to the decades
of nasa.
and government, governmentconstraints and regulations and,
and think tanks and all ofthese, I, I know how government
projects goes.
They're, they're slow.
They're extremely

Gene (34:22):
they were founded 20 years ago.

Adam (34:24):
20 years ago, so from 20 years ago, Elon is still, he's,
you know what, he's stillmessing around with PayPal back

Gene (34:31):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (34:33):
and now they're sending, these incredible rockets into
space.

Gene (34:38):
They are the only means the US currently has to send
people and stuff to the iss.
You remember for how many yearswhen the, after the space
shuttle was retired that the UShad to rely in Russia,

Adam (34:51):
Yeah.

Gene (34:53):
So literally SpaceX is the only means to do it.

Adam (34:57):
Isn't that kind of, it's funny to think, it's kind of
ironic cuz I remember the SovietUnion, they built a copy of the
space shuttle called the Barran.

Gene (35:06):
Barran?
Yep.

Adam (35:07):
They made one launch with it and then went, tits up
bankrupt and couldn't afford to,to continue with the program.
And here's the United States,flexing our muscles, going, look
at us, we got all these shuttlesand, and we're doing all this
cool shit.
And now we have to shut our ownprogram down and call up Putin
and say, Hey you, you, don'tmind piggybacking us up to the

(35:28):
station we built.
Huh?

Gene (35:30):
Yeah.
Well, and that's the funny thingis like all the American
astronauts, up until a few yearsback when SpaceX got approved
for ferrying humans they allhave to learn Russian to be able
to get to the iss because youneed to, in case of emergency,
like you need to, you, you'renot just a passenger, right?

(35:51):
When you're a part of the crewgoing up to the iss in the sous
module, you're, each of thosethree people has a job to do.
There there are no passengers,everyone's crew.
And so part of that includedlearning Russian to be able to
communicate with the guys, andthen reading all the labels on
all the sensors and stuff.

(36:12):
And of course now that, that nolonger has to happen because
SpaceX just has iPads in frontof everybody.
You, you've seen the inside of adragons capsule, right?

Adam (36:22):
Yeah.

Gene (36:22):
Yeah.
It's very impressive.
It's it's super minimalist.
It's just like a Tesla.
Like you get in there andthere's nothing but a
touchscreen in front of you.

Adam (36:29):
Yeah.
Well, keep it simple.
There's no point in overcomplicating something

Gene (36:34):
No,

Adam (36:35):
that's been my motto for years.

Gene (36:37):
yeah, just keep it.
So that explains why you're notmarried,

Adam (36:40):
Well, keep it simple.
Hey, you're the same way.

Gene (36:43):
Yeah.
Well, I learned my lesson.
I wa I was married.
Took me, it took me in marriageto realize that hang on.
Now there's pros, but boysthere're cons.
But yeah.
Yeah.
And that's a, actually, thatbrings us over to a, a fun topic
to talk about, which

Adam (36:59):
Okay.

Gene (37:00):
Generationally we're certainly far enough apart.
Not quite young enough to be mykid.
But you're certainly in thegeneral vicinity thereof, where
you, you went through theexperiences that I went through
after many, many years.
So I've noticed certainly withthe the Zoomers and probably

(37:21):
the, the youngest of themillennials that there's
definitely been a change that inattitudes towards dating and sex
and relationships.
And I think part of it is courseis driven by having a a
cellphone in your hand at alltimes.
And instead of going to a bar tomeet people, you look at your

(37:43):
phone and you flick left orright to meet people.
And other things like that havechanged the way that human
relationships start and the waythat people interact with each
other.
What's your take on that?
Because I, I don't know ifyou're like doing the old
fashioned way or if you're alongwith everybody your age, you're
part of that generation andwhat, what are your thoughts

(38:04):
about relationships?

Adam (38:06):
Well, I think relationships are more difficult
now because of the, aaugmentation of the internet.
A lot of it, I think, and why alot of people have relationship
issues nowadays, at least at myage, are social media.
Everybody looks at whateverybody else is doing.
Oh, well, look, they're doing sowell and they're going on

(38:26):
vacation all the time, and youwon't even take me out and take
me down to the Golden Corralonce a month.
Again, you're, you're, you're

Gene (38:35):
for

Adam (38:35):
your, your area may vary, so, but I, I don't know.
And the online dating, I thinkis just it, it's awful.
You can't really meet somebodyand get to know someone through
a picture and a little storyabout who they are.

(38:55):
I've

Gene (38:56):
But

Adam (38:56):
and I think it also reflects, I mean, if you look at
how many people get married, ata young age nowadays, compared
to 40 years ago, or even longer

Gene (39:06):
Yeah.
Nobody getting married?

Adam (39:08):
nobody's getting married anymore.
Kids are still being made.
Oh, there's a lot of kids beingborn, but there's a lot of
broken families and no dad, and,

Gene (39:17):
Yep.

Adam (39:19):
I don't know, I think, I think it's a slippery slope that
started a few years ago, and nowwe're, we're on a, we're, we're
like Chevy Chase and Christmasvacation.
We're, we're going down it.
And we're, we're not gonna havean easy stop at the end.

Gene (39:34):
Yeah.
And it, and you think about it,it's like in the past, before
all this stuff existed, when youapproach somebody.
You didn't have a picture and alittle story that you could
scroll through and then have 30or a hundred different people.
You just looked at, you, youwere getting an ere at a bar,
and the only thing you saw wastheir current the way that they

(39:57):
look right now.

Adam (39:58):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (39:59):
And then you, you'd have to go over to'em and come up
with some bullshit reason tostart a conversation.
And then if she liked the waythat you looked right now while
you're hammered, then she wouldcontinue that conversation.
And

Adam (40:14):
well and there's a, and, and the, and the truth always
comes out when you have a lot ofdrunk people around.
I mean, people get loosened upand really, show who they are.
And I think that's one of thereasons so many people got
married and got divorced is

Gene (40:30):
Well it, it's I don't know man, I again, maybe that's,
maybe you're absolutely righthere because it's if you look
back a hundred years, peoplewould meet at church,

Adam (40:38):
Yeah.

Gene (40:39):
not at a bar.
And then you look at back to myyouth and it was definitely
meeting at a bar.
And then you look at right nowand it's, texting each other on
the phone based on the photo.
A, a curated photo of your bestversion of yourself along with
something witty that was in thebio.
And then how many people putthat they like dogs in there

(41:01):
even though they don't reallylike dogs

Adam (41:05):
Probably more than I would

Gene (41:06):
because everybody's told Oh yeah.
Women love, to hear that you'reinto pets.

Adam (41:11):
Oh, yeah.
Well, and if you scroll througha online dating, now it's 90%,
or, oh, it's just me and my twodogs and you better love my
dogs, or it ain't gonna work.

Gene (41:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

Adam (41:25):
That, or, or mostly, oh, I've got four kids and four
different baby daddies and, andlooking for a good man to take
care of me and my kids.
Well, I, that's not gonna reallybe a great start off to, hi, I'm
so-and-so.
You,

Gene (41:40):
Here, come and fix my mistakes.

Adam (41:42):
yeah.
Basically,

Gene (41:43):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I just, I don't I don't feellike the all the technology has
really solved any problems.

Adam (41:52):
I think It has made it worse.

Gene (41:54):
it shifted things.
Yeah.
And the, the idea of seeingother people doing things,
better with Instagram orwhatever, I don't know that it's
a whole lot different because inthe past there, well, people
have always had movies or photosor images or of, of people that
are doing better than them.
Celebrities, famous people, richpeople, whatever.

(42:16):
You know how many people haveseen somebody lounging on a
yacht in Monaco?
I'd say a hundred percent of thepopulation.

Adam (42:23):
Yeah.

Gene (42:24):
now all of a sudden you were

Adam (42:25):
It becomes

Gene (42:26):
people, Yeah.
It's what am I doing wrong?
That they're doing right.
That they get to have thisthing.

Adam (42:30):
it brings keeping up with the Joneses to a new

Gene (42:33):
Right.
Right.
And that's certainly I rememberthat when I was married and you
started accumulating likemarried friends there.
It's absolutely a frickingcompetition there for spending
money.
it's, whether it's the size ofthe house you own, the type of
car you drive, how old is thecar you drive, where are you
vacationing?
Are you a member of this golfcourse?

(42:54):
Like the keeping up with theJones' thing is the pastime of
married life.

Adam (43:00):
Well, and I think that's where, fake breasts really
originated was Wow.
So-and-so's wife has got areally nice rack.
Hey, let's go get them installedon you and, oh, look at my
wife's new titties.

Gene (43:10):
Yeah, I think that that's a, probably a big part of it.
I think.
I think the, speaking of bigbreasts and or fake breasts, I
should say, I think a lot of'emhappen from women with low
self-esteem that are thinkingthey're gonna gain self-esteem
by having big fake boobs.
And then part of it is certainlythe men encouraging their

(43:33):
girlfriends.
I think it's more girlfriendsthan wives though, honestly.
But encouraging their, theirfemales to augment.
Because while the men can useall the reasons, the rationale,
how she's gonna be happy withit, but ultimately guys always
get a value out of being seenwith a hot woman.

(43:55):
That's part of your socialstanding is how hot is the woman
that is willing to be with you?
Because if you can't, if youcan't have a hot looking chick
on your arm, then clearly women,all women have mutually
determined that you'reworthless.
And so having that hot lookingwoman on your arm is the way

(44:21):
that you raise your socialstanding with other guys.

Adam (44:25):
Yeah.

Gene (44:27):
And definitely the case for me.
Man.
I, I had a hottie.

Adam (44:31):
Why?
So I have heard, I've heard youtalk a lot about that.

Gene (44:35):
Mm, yeah, yeah, no, she was so when I, when I first met,
met her and we got marriedpretty quick, but when I first
met her, she was 23 years oldand looked just like Natalie
Portman.

Adam (44:46):
Oh,

Gene (44:48):
So that, that gives you a good visual indicator.
So thin very cute.
Just had those, those kind of,

Adam (44:55):
Which, which you and you, you two get along today.

Gene (44:58):
we do.
I mean we,

Adam (45:00):
it's all water under the bridge.

Gene (45:01):
yeah, we don't talk that often, but we probably talk
every six months or something.

Adam (45:06):
So was it just a kind of grew apart thing?

Gene (45:09):
Nah, she fucked another guy.

Adam (45:10):
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Well, props to you for beingdecent

Gene (45:16):
Well,

Adam (45:17):
Cause I, I would've a, I, well, I would, I would sure

Gene (45:20):
Here's the thing though.
The guy that she ended upcheating on me with, she's still
with now 10 years, 11 yearslater.

Adam (45:28):
Hmm,

Gene (45:29):
So, so it, it wasn't like a one-off thing.
Clearly there was somethingthere.
Which I don't know if thatnecessarily makes me feel any
better because obviously weshould have had a conversation
when she was tired of themarriage before she went out
looking for somebody else.
But that's not what women do.
Statistically speaking, if a guywants to break out with a woman,

(45:52):
they will do that and then revelin their freedom by going out
and, having all kinds of newgirlfriends women typically will
not break up with a guy untilthey have the next thing lined
up.

Adam (46:07):
and it's usually followed with when, when the conversation
does arise.
Well, I didn't wanna make youmad.
Well,

Gene (46:13):
there's all kinds of rationalizations and it's all
bullshit and it's always likethey're trying to be, you let
you off the co let, let you downslowly or some bullshit like
that.

Adam (46:23):
The it's, it's not you, it's me.

Gene (46:27):
Well, it, yeah, yeah.
Which probably is true, but it'snonetheless, it's one of those
things where you definitely getthe signs, like every guy that's
either been cheated on or, orhas had a woman break up only to
run into her a week later withsomebody else knows that if you
start looking back on theprevious six months to a year of

(46:48):
your relationship, like all thesigns are there, you were just
ignoring him.

Adam (46:53):
Yeah.

Gene (46:54):
Like it's, it, it's the kind of stuff where you can
either start getting suspiciousor you can just say, ah, it's
probably nothing.
I'm just being paranoid.
And I think most of the guysjust think that they're being
paranoid, but, if you paidattention, the, generally the
signs are there because all of asudden they're not the ones

(47:15):
nagging you to do stufftogether.
Now all of a sudden they'reperfectly fine with you going
off and playing video games.

Adam (47:22):
mm-hmm.

Gene (47:23):
I was like, wait a minute, is that for the better or the
worse?
Did she, she finally used tothis where it's like a normal
thing and, and I'm good.
Or does this actually mean shedoesn't give a shit because
she's fulfilling her needselsewhere?
Right.
So that's the thing.
That's why I, I, my currentpolicy is just have fun.

(47:44):
I, I like women, I like datingwomen.
I think the right age for awoman is between 20 and 24.

Adam (47:51):
Oh, that's, that's, that's, that's youthful, man.
That's,

Gene (47:54):
no, that's the right age man.
Mm-hmm.
because if you can have achoice, why not

Adam (47:59):
Well, I mean, I can't blame you there,

Gene (48:02):
And and I have zero interest in being married again.
I don't need to like, findsomebody that is my age, that
is, that is financially set andeverything, and it's a why,
what, what is that gonna get me?
Nothing?

Adam (48:13):
Hey, get you, get you a big old sugar mama.

Gene (48:15):
And well, and people say, well, yeah, but man, aren't you
afraid of dying alone?
It's I, here's what I, what Iwould prefer is I would love to
die during sex, and that ain'tgonna happen if I'm with a woman
my own age.
That's my goal.
That's my way out, is I want tobe as happy as possible for my
last moments on this earth.

Adam (48:38):
I can't blame you.

Gene (48:40):
Yeah.
It's, it's one of those thingsthat I think most men, would

Adam (48:44):
I mean, that's, that's kind of a, kind of a, the, the
generic male fantasy of, that's,that's how I think I would like
to go out.
But

Gene (48:52):
Totally.

Adam (48:52):
I feel like that would be terrible for, for her, you

Gene (48:55):
Yeah.
Whatever.

Adam (48:56):
Whatever.
I mean, although that would besome bragging rights, man, that
was such good that

Gene (49:01):
yeah.

Adam (49:02):
killed the guy.

Gene (49:03):
exactly.
And there, I think there arewomen that have done that with
multiple men and that theyusually end up pretty wealthy,

Adam (49:08):
Yeah.

Gene (49:09):
mm-hmm.

Adam (49:10):
mm-hmm.

Gene (49:11):
So, yeah.
I'm, I'm all for that.
I, I don't see a problem with itand frankly not, not implying
anything for you personallythere, but guys in their
twenties right now are sofucking clueless and poor.
It's just, it, it's almost likeshooting fish in a barrel
because the, it's not likeyou're competing with a guy
that's, that's gonna bringanything really to the table

(49:33):
when you're my age, to, to theseyounger women because they're,
they're not even, well, some of'em are looking, I'm sure, but a
lot of'em aren't even that's noteven consideration for them to
date somebody in their twentiesbecause they don't think guys
can get their shit togetheruntil they're in their mid 30.

Adam (49:50):
Yeah.
Well, and, and I, I kind of haveto agree with that cuz there's a
lot of.
In my age range that definitelydon't have their shit together.
But that kind of leads back tothe saying of you are never
gonna be able to better yourselfunless you are around people's.

(50:12):
That will make you

Gene (50:14):
Absolutely.
And I think you gotta focus onthe things that that make you
more interesting.
Like for example, you fly.
I mean, you don't have wingsgrowing outta the back of your

Adam (50:26):
you sure?
Oh, well, dang, you let thetruth out, I'm just, flying like
an eagle.
No I, of course, for me, I don'tfind that as a very, special
thing to me it's, it's nodifferent in driving a car.
But then again, I've been aroundit my whole life

Gene (50:40):
Right?
Right.
Exactly.
But I think for a lot of people,that's a huge difference.
Like the percentage of peoplewith pilot licenses is tiny.

Adam (50:48):
it, it, and it used to be so much bigger.
General aviation used to be morecommon practice back in the day,
and now it is just kind of likea, a taboo thing to go and do.
And a lot of it, flying anairplane is not hard.
I, I believe anybody can pick itup and.

Gene (51:06):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I fly spaceships,so

Adam (51:09):
Well, yeah, you've lost spaceships.
I mean, I mean, hell, you couldhave owned a quite a few
airplanes from what you'vegenerously donated to.

Gene (51:15):
xna, the the amount

Adam (51:17):
yeah, Yeah.
But I, the, it kinda leads, tiesback into the conversation about
guys are, and, in their twentiesare clueless and is, there's no
strive, there's no dedication totrying to get their pilot's
license because it is a lengthyprocess.

Gene (51:37):
I remember there was a kid in my high school that senior
year of high school that, infact, I think there was more
than one.
I think there's a couple ofpeople I knew that got their
pilot's licenses when they werein high school.

Adam (51:47):
Oh, yeah.
My dad, he got his pilot'slicense before he got his
driver's license,

Gene (51:52):
Holy shit.
Yeah.
There you go.
Mm-hmm.

Adam (51:54):
But it's a lengthy process and there's a lot of work you
gotta do, a lot of studying.
I mean, it's like a, a collegeclass that you're trying to
pass.
And it can be, it can beexpensive, it can be,
affordable.
That is one of the things aboutGeneral being a pilot,

Gene (52:11):
Yeah.

Adam (52:12):
like, oh, well, you've gotta be a millionaire to own an
airplane.
You're just, you just must shipgold bricks at night.

Gene (52:18):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (52:18):
Well, there's different levels for every financial

Gene (52:23):
But, but you have to agree that when it comes to buying
accessories, bits and pieces,airplanes are so much more
expensive than

Adam (52:31):
Oh, absolutely.
And that, that is all thanks inpart to the federal government,
and I believe a lot of theiroverstep into aviation.

Gene (52:42):
yeah.

Adam (52:42):
Any, if it's gonna be FAA approved, you might as well
triple the price of what itwould cost for anything
non-certified.
But if that's an issue, buy anexperimental airplane, now you
can put, you can go down to yourauto zone and, and grab
something, throw it on there.

Gene (52:56):
Yeah.
It's the thing that I thinknever, or, or the reason that I
never really got into airplanesand I, I've, I've probably done
over the multitude of years,probably about 3000 hours of
simulation flying.

Adam (53:11):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (53:11):
But the reason I never really bothered trying to go in
for getting real pilots licenseand getting, taking lessons and
stuff, it's because a big partof it is the, you have to go
through all the checklists.
Every time you do stuff, everytime you get on the plane, every
time X number of hours rollsaround on the engine, every time

(53:34):
X, y, and Z happens.
And for good reason.
I'm not disputing that youshould be doing this.
It's just.
I really dislike doing shit likethat.
I don't like checklists.
I don't like being forced to dothings that were 99.9% of the
time.
The answer is gonna be it's allfine.
It's just you're looking forthat 0.1%.

(53:56):
And again, I'm not disputing onthat you should do'em or why you
do'em.
It's just that completely turnsme off of activities that
require that type ofmaintenance, if you will.

Adam (54:10):
So when it comes to checklists, are they required
Yes and no.
they there for your safety andto make sure that you get
everything done correctly?
Yes.
If like you've got a guy that'sbeen flying the same airplane
for the last 40 years, he prettywell has it down pat.
What to do, where to look forwhat to touch, what not to
touch.

(54:30):
Checklist is kind of

Gene (54:32):
but I really enjoy having stuff, whether it's a car or a
gun or something else

Adam (54:37):
Well, remember, you are supposed to read your firearms
owner's manual every time.

Gene (54:42):
Uhhuh, Uhhuh, Yeah.

Adam (54:44):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Gene (54:45):
I just having stuff that works like on one of my Glocks I
think I did this is again, Istill have, it's an one of my
olds guns.
And it was when both I wasdoing, taking my own classes and
when I was a firearms instructorit's got somewhere in the
neighborhood, 50,000 roundsthrough it

Adam (55:03):
Wow.

Gene (55:04):
in, it had, it's on a second barrel right now.
But I did easily 10,000 roundswithout cleaning the gun.
Now I, I've cleaned it plenty oftimes before and after, but
there was a stint there where Ishot about 10,000 rounds without
a cleaning and the gun alwaysperformed.

(55:25):
It never,

Adam (55:26):
Glock's quality.

Gene (55:27):
they're design.
Yeah.
And that was using the oldbarrels, which were better, in
my opinion.
They were hexagonal.
The new barrels are more likethe traditional barrels with
the, the grooves.
The hexagonal barrels, I thinkare the ultimate don't worry
about it.
Barrel

Adam (55:40):
Well, and I imagine, well, how, how old is that pistol?

Gene (55:44):
I think I bought it, I wanna say in shit, man.
Probably 94.
93.
94

Adam (55:51):
probably old enough that it's probably got a lot better
steel in it than what isproduced today.

Gene (55:58):
maybe.
But I mean, it is on secondbarrel, but it's.

Adam (56:02):
Yeah.

Gene (56:03):
It, it's also heavily, heavily modified.
Like I, that was the gun.
I did a ton of gunsmithing too.
Which is also why I kept it cuzI can't really sell it.
It's just not like it.
The, the amount of time andmoney I've put into it will
never be recouped because peopleactually probably pay less for
it, instead of more.

(56:23):
So consequently that gun is mineforever.
But that's all right cuz it'salso kind of sentimental where
all the other guns that I haveare, well, most of'em are, are
Springfield X dms I just bought,I just talked about it on the
episode.
That's not released yet.
Another show that I just got axds gun that I picked up for.

(56:43):
Damn cheap, amazingly good

Adam (56:46):
Very good bargain.

Gene (56:47):
Yeah.
Which is a, just a single stack,nine millimeter compact carry
gun.
And, but it came with a red dot.
And it was like 360 I think.
So very, very good deal.
Still haven't picked it up yet.
I gotta probably wait anotherday or two before it shows up at
the, at the store.
But

Adam (57:04):
Well, you would've been losing money if you hadn't
bought it.

Gene (57:06):
yeah, I mean, you kind of had to by that, but for the most
part I've kind of standardizedon, on the Springfield plastic
guns if you will.

Adam (57:15):
I used to have great distaste for anything with a
plastic lower,

Gene (57:19):
mm-hmm.

Adam (57:20):
I, I've always thought, I'm gonna do God's work, with a
trustee old 1911.
It's, Tried and true and, andfinally started venting off into
some plastic guns.
And it's really kind of changedmy motto.

Gene (57:38):
Yep.
Well, I, I've also done asimilar thing with the AR versus
a a K because the AR just seemedlike always such a better design
weapon, but in the end, whatyou're looking for is a gun that
always functions.

Adam (57:53):
yeah.

Gene (57:54):
And, and that's where the AK really shines through, is
shooting the AR platform.
I've got a bunch of differentguns that, that are with on that
platform, but I've I'vecertainly had to clear my share
of malfunctions on those guys.
So, again, gets overheated or itjust gets too gummed up with the

(58:16):
the carbon coming off of theexhaust from the gas system.
There, there's a variety ofthings that you need to clean
and take care of that gun.
It's not quite as bad as like ahigh end 1911, which is you used
the wrong ammo type, sorry, notgonna.

Adam (58:31):
Yeah.

Gene (58:32):
Wrong brand of ammo, not, not type, the right type, wrong
brand, wrong company made it,and the gun just stops working
all of a sudden.
But nonetheless, the, the AR isfairly finicky as well, where in
the modern AKs, and I'm nottalking about an actual like
1940s or fifties ak, but thecompanies that are using that

(58:54):
design but creating the guns inmodern processes are both
extremely robust and requirevirtually no maintenance.
And they've addressed the thenegatives that the AK had in the
past as well.
So what you end up with is kindof a best of both worlds.
One of which is not having africking recoil buffer system

(59:17):
coming outta the back of thegun, making it twice as long.

Adam (59:21):
Well, the AK was really developed to just be fixed with
a hammer and a trench.
Throw it in the mud, throw it inthe snow, it's, it's gonna work.
And that's always kind of beenanything that was Soviet
manufactured was just make itsimple.
Make it to where, the farmerthat's out there defending the
homeland is gonna be able to useit.

Gene (59:43):
Yep.

Adam (59:44):
I've had, I've, I've had one ak wish I would've never
gotten rid of it.
Had an sks and that was probablymy favorite.
I really

Gene (59:52):
Really, because that's like the worst manufactured
usually

Adam (59:56):
I know, but, well, when I got mine, it had a plastic.

Gene (01:00:01):
Okay.

Adam (01:00:02):
it was awful.
And I've, I found an originalwood lower and put it, put it
back together and man, thatthing was just, it was sweet.
I, I really wish I, and that wasone of those deals that I
remember you, everybody wasgetting imported SKSs and, and
AK 40 sevens and you could pick'em up

Gene (01:00:23):
they were so cheap,

Adam (01:00:24):
on a dollar.
Hard There was a,

Gene (01:00:26):
they were under a hundred bucks when I was young.
And the AKs were in the$200range.

Adam (01:00:32):
yeah.
I remember there was a hardwarestore here where I live and, and
they had them up in there.
You could buy a brand new AK 47,right out the box out of the
wooden crate for 150, 200 bucks.

Gene (01:00:46):
Yep.
Yeah.
They were insanely cheaplypriced.
And I, that in a lot of ways hadto do with the breakup, the
Soviet Union, of

Adam (01:00:54):
Yeah.
I mean, that's how I got a lotof my Moises you could pick them
up

Gene (01:00:58):
then the GOs.

Adam (01:00:59):
to nothing.
And they're great rifles.

Gene (01:01:02):
Those were actually pretty good rifles.
It depends when they weremanufactured.
Of course, if they weremanufactured pre-World War ii,
they were exceptionally good.
If they were manufactured duringWorld War ii, not quite as,

Adam (01:01:14):
So I've, I've got pre-war and, and I've got some that were
built during the war, and thereis a noticeable difference in
the quality of, of theconstruction.
And I don't know, I, I've, well,I'm sure you do, but I, there
was a bunch of Moises that werebuilt here in the us

Gene (01:01:33):
Oh really?
No, I didn't know that.

Adam (01:01:34):
and I think they were built by Remington, if I
remember

Gene (01:01:37):
Really?
So they would contract it out?

Adam (01:01:38):
yes.
The u Soviet Union was havingtrouble producing enough rifles,
and the Remington Company tookthe design, said, yep, we can
build them.
And they built a bunch for'em.
And, and if I remember right,guess what?
Soviet Union never paid for

Gene (01:01:54):
Well, that wouldn't certainly surprise me.
I mean, that, that, yeah.
That would be pretty funny.
But yeah, that, that was I thinka very good rifle design.
It, it was really a gun designedand manufactured in the pre
Soviet days in the SARS Russia,late 1890s.
And was one really sort of thestandard gun of the Russian

(01:02:16):
Revolution, the first World War,and all the way up into the
Second World War.

Adam (01:02:21):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I, I've, and they made multiplevariants of it also.

Gene (01:02:27):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:02:28):
favorite is the M 44 short Carine.
That's one of the, my favoriteversions of that rifle.

Gene (01:02:32):
Yeah, because the, the original, the the original
version was wanna say they had22 or even 24 inch barrels.
They were really borderlinesniper rifles.

Adam (01:02:45):
Yeah.

Gene (01:02:46):
So, and that's really, I mean, even after that for the
Svds ri snipe, well, it's notreally a sniper rifle.
The S VD is a, a precision micmarks man's rifle, but they
still utilize the 7 62 by 54millimeter round of the the most
in the gun.
So yeah, there's the interestingstuff, but I will say that the

(01:03:08):
German rifles of World War IIwere were better So given, given
the choice between one of thosetwo I think I'll, I'd take the
the M 98

Adam (01:03:18):
Yes.
Well, the Mouser has always beenkind of the Hallmark rifle.
That was the one to have.

Gene (01:03:25):
mm-hmm.

Adam (01:03:28):
And that's, I, I don't have any mouthers.
I've, I've come close to buyinga.
But to me, I like owning theobscure firearms, kinda like
everybody I know has an AR 15

Gene (01:03:41):
Yep.
Everybody.

Adam (01:03:42):
it's, it's, it's kind of the, I I've always called the AR
15, the small block Chevy offirearms.
You can do anything you want to'em, you can turn'em up, you
can, bolt every option on thatyou can think of.

Gene (01:03:56):
Yeah.

Adam (01:03:57):
And everybody has one.

Gene (01:03:58):
Yep.

Adam (01:03:59):
And I, I like to stand out a little bit from the crowd with
my collection

Gene (01:04:03):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
My, my only thing is I've neverliked old shit.
I always like new shit, so I

Adam (01:04:11):
that?
That's what I like.
I like, I like vintage firearms.

Gene (01:04:14):
like winter stuff.
Yeah.
I like stuff that is brand new.
So my favorite guns were likethe P 90.

Adam (01:04:20):
Hmm.

Gene (01:04:22):
very futuristic, very new cartridge, new gun.
The, I had a F 2000, I actuallyhad a couple of'em.
I ended up selling'em veryfuturistic.
It looks like a gun out of somespace video game.
And I think they were used asprops, in, in sci-fi quite a bit
for that reason.
Very, very ergonomic.

(01:04:43):
Good design in a lot of ways,but it, it was very finicky,
unfortunately, with ammo more soeven than the AR platform.
And so I luckily, I, I held onto them until covid, when the
gun prices went.
And then unloaded'em, both ofthose at the same time.

(01:05:03):
So I actually made money on bothof those guns compared to what I
paid for'em.
But it was a cool gun.
It's just there are better bullpops.
I've always been a bull pop fan.
And so right now I've kinda, my,my current bull ups are all I w
I platform guns, so, or I w Imanufactured guns.
So the Tavar platform for boththe shotgun and 3 0 8 rifle and

(01:05:29):
for a 300 blackout, and you getthe compactness of a short
barreled rifle

Adam (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Gene (01:05:35):
with the good ergonomics and the barrel length of a full
size gun which gives you goodballistics

Adam (01:05:44):
Yes.
And they're just cool.

Gene (01:05:47):
and some people just don't like having, the actual chamber
right next to your ear.
And I get that.
But just make sure your earplugs and that, that's the one
thing is I've definitely learnedwith those guns, is to use
earplugs, not ear muffs.

Adam (01:06:01):
or else you can't see down a site.
Where's the

Gene (01:06:03):
Well, yeah.
The, that, and then the, the earmuffs

Adam (01:06:08):
rattle against the.

Gene (01:06:09):
yeah, you're pressing them against the gun itself.
There's no other way to do it,really.
And if you're holding a pistol,you don't worry about these
things.
But with a rifle, Depending onthe shape of the stock, you're
gonna actually make physicalcontact between your earmuffs
and the stock.
And on the stock on Bull Pups isalways a full stock.

(01:06:31):
It's, there's no cutouts foranything.
There's not really majoradjustments to anything, so it's
best just to use ear earplugs oreven just, ear earplug in your
right ear and then a cuff onyour left and then the cuff just
over your head or something.
But either way, you, you tend tofigure that out pretty quick,
that it's yeah, I don't reallywanna earmuff in these,

Adam (01:06:53):
So have you played around any with the AR twelves?

Gene (01:06:55):
Ar twelves.
No, I have not.

Adam (01:06:57):
So that was one of my most recent purchases

Gene (01:07:00):
is the AR 12.

Adam (01:07:02):
AR 12.
It's built on the AR platform,but it's a 12 gauge shotgun.

Gene (01:07:05):
Oh, okay.
Got it.

Adam (01:07:07):
And

Gene (01:07:08):
that, but I wasn't sure.

Adam (01:07:09):
there, I, I really like, it's, it's a great shotgun with
the exception of it is very,very sensitive on what
ammunition you put in it.

Gene (01:07:19):
Oh, really?

Adam (01:07:19):
Yes.
And what I have come to realizeis that it, it really likes
short brass.
It does not like to feed longbrass,

Gene (01:07:28):
Okay.

Adam (01:07:29):
but it's kind of a gimmicky,

Gene (01:07:30):
How many, how many rounds of hold in

Adam (01:07:32):
That's the downside to it, is the magazine holds four
shells.

Gene (01:07:38):
That's it.

Adam (01:07:39):
That's it.
And I'm sure there's probablysome manufacturers making some
drums or, or something,

Gene (01:07:45):
Yeah.
That, that's, that's a littletoo few.
Unless you're going, unlessyou're in a restricted magazine
capacity environment.

Adam (01:07:53):
Well, California or New York,

Gene (01:07:55):
Well, or, or if you're shooting trap where you can only
have two rounds anyway.

Adam (01:08:00):
But

Gene (01:08:01):
Yeah.

Adam (01:08:02):
I,

Gene (01:08:02):
And then

Adam (01:08:03):
it's funny, I,

Gene (01:08:04):
go ahead.

Adam (01:08:05):
I bought this shotgun on a whim.
I thought, it, it looks cool.
It sounds like it's gonna reallybe a good, I kind of bought it
as kind of a home defense

Gene (01:08:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.

Adam (01:08:17):
sitting next to it.
I have a Remington Automaticthat was, I mean, this is, if I
remember right, it was builtback in the late thirties

Gene (01:08:28):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:08:29):
and the old humpback automatic shotgun, it, it will
knock your shoulder off of yourbody, but it just, it feeds, it
cycles.
It's works every time you eventhink about using it.
But, and that's kind of whereI've leaned more back on vintage

Gene (01:08:49):
to an eight 70 or what?

Adam (01:08:51):
No.
So kinda like your Browning afive s they really, they're,
they're taken off of the designof that, the old humpback
automatics.
I would like to have a browning,but, I don't wanna spend the
money for one.

Gene (01:09:02):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:09:04):
I've got, I've got airplane stuff, I gotta spend
money

Gene (01:09:06):
Exactly.
You got, you got plenty of otherthings to spend money

Adam (01:09:11):
Too many projects and not enough time.

Gene (01:09:14):
well, and I, I've typically the shotgun that I've
probably done the most with thetactical shotgun was a the
Winchester Defender the oldversion before they stopped
making him.
And then I think about 10 yearslater, they came out with a new
version that has the same name,but mine's the the one from the
early two thousands.
And what I liked about it is itwas midway, so it was between

(01:09:37):
the weights of the themossbergs, which are aluminum
and super light, and theRemingtons, which are all steel
and heavy.
This was like midway betweenthose,

Adam (01:09:47):
Yeah.

Gene (01:09:47):
And it, it had at the time the fastest action of any
pumpkin.
And so I've shot a lot of roundsto that, probably in the 10,000
to 12,000 rounds area.
And it's always been a greatlittle gun, so I just kept it as
a defensive firearm.
But when I saw the the reviewsof the Tur war, I was like, holy

(01:10:13):
shit, I need to get one of thesebecause this thing holds 18
rounds

Adam (01:10:20):
Hmm.

Gene (01:10:21):
and it's it's more compact than it like, it's 18 rounds in
a package that is 26 inches.

Adam (01:10:29):
Wow.

Gene (01:10:30):
It's amazingly compact.

Adam (01:10:32):
And which one is that?

Gene (01:10:33):
It's a Tavo, I think it's Tavo 12, or Tavo is something,
but it's, it's obvious it's anonly shotgun tour.
B b Tao, let me see if it's ta12,

Adam (01:10:44):
TS 12.

Gene (01:10:46):
TS 12, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So, and it's semi-automatic, sothere's no pumping or anything.
But it, it is a

Adam (01:10:53):
it's a bull.
It's a Bullpup shotgun.

Gene (01:10:56):
yeah, it's a Bullpup shotgun.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And you

Adam (01:10:59):
starting to see a trend here.

Gene (01:11:01):
Well, I like Bullpups.
No, I, and, and to, I w I hasclearly embraced Bullpup
designs, which is why I've beenbuying a lot of their weapons
lately.
Which is cool stuff.
I, I I also like the quality ofthose guns.
I think that their labor ischeaper out there than US Labor,

Adam (01:11:21):
Hmm,

Gene (01:11:22):
but also, Completely too high spec, high standard.
So you're basically getting afirearm manufactured to high-end
US or German quality.
But you're paying slightlylower.
Not a whole lot lower, but like10% cheaper than it would be if
it was made here.
And a pricing?

Adam (01:11:40):
you're getting quality at rock Island Prices

Gene (01:11:44):
Well, not that cheap.
No, I think, I'm trying toremember how much it was.
I wanna say 11 or 1200 bucks.
But that's still quite a bitcheaper than my$2,000 benelli,
which also is good quality.
But that's, that's not atactical shotgun, that's a trap.
Shotgun or hunting potentially.
I've never gone, actually, I'venever shot Burts.

(01:12:05):
I've never gone bird huntingwith shotgun.
I've only shot trap.

Adam (01:12:09):
See, I'm not a huge hunter, but I, on occasion I'll,
I'll go Mainly cuz I just barelyhave enough time to go shoot.

Gene (01:12:17):
I know.
I get it.

Adam (01:12:18):
Well, it's that, it's kind of a funny story.
A friend of mine, we had goneout and we'd flown on a little
trip.
We were down at the far end ofthe runway getting ready to take
off.
And my buddy looked over at meand he said, Hey, did, did you
lock your vehicle?
I said, well, I hope I did.
And he said, well, why is thereanything in there that you don't
want stolen?

(01:12:38):
And I said, well, I mean, I,maybe a handgun or two.
He said, well, why didn't youbring him with us in the
airplane?
I said, why in the hell would weneed it?
Well, you don't know.
You might, you might need to,

Gene (01:12:49):
Wild Animals.
Wild Animals, man.

Adam (01:12:51):
No, no, I don't believe so.

Gene (01:12:53):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:12:54):
But that, that you ought bring that up with one of our
friends there on Texas.
He's, he's got some good flyingand shooting stories.

Gene (01:13:02):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I'll definitely do that.
Yeah, I think well e even, Idon't think the Americans do
this, but the, the, the Souseflights up to the iss up until
about five years ago, alwayscarried a shotgun in the
capsule.

Adam (01:13:21):
Hmm.

Gene (01:13:21):
Not, to shoot people on the space station, but because
the Souses landing area is verylarge and it's in the it's in
the ta right?
So it's in, in kind of a highdesert.

Adam (01:13:34):
Hmm.

Gene (01:13:34):
And so consequently it is very possible that you might
have a you might land,especially if the landing goes,
off plan and and there might beanimals trying to see if your
capsule's edible.

Adam (01:13:51):
True.
I, I think it sounds a littlebetter if you say, somebody
watched a movie Alien a few manytimes

Gene (01:13:55):
oh, yeah.
Well, it's, that's good too.
Yeah.
I like that.
Mm-hmm.
And apparently you could dothat, like firearms can be taken
into a full vacuum and not havean issue

Adam (01:14:05):
Hmm.
Well, yeah, I, I mean

Gene (01:14:09):
or, or at least the AKs

Adam (01:14:11):
I I, I was gonna say, I'd

Gene (01:14:12):
I don't know about ar

Adam (01:14:13):
probably really great there and, and Zero atmosphere.

Gene (01:14:18):
yeah.
Well, well, one thing's for sureif, if you fire around in
vacuum, it's gonna keep going

Adam (01:14:24):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:14:25):
for a long

Adam (01:14:26):
would make you wonder if, if it would start tumbling and
just kind of get uncontrollable.

Gene (01:14:31):
but you can tumble forever.

Adam (01:14:34):
I, yeah.
I mean, it's gotta keep going atthat same speed, don't know
that, I have noticed, kind ofgoing back onto the, the space
aspect.
There was a, like the spacerace, that was what everybody
wanted to do.
That's where everybody wanted togo worldwide.
I mean, hell look at the carsthat were even being

Gene (01:14:56):
Oh, they were all

Adam (01:14:57):
late fifties, early sixties.
I mean, let's, like a 59Cadillac has got the tallest
fins of any car with jet taillights and everything.

Gene (01:15:05):
Yeah.
It blocks your view out theback.

Adam (01:15:07):
Oh yeah, great, great cars.
But then the romance of spacedied off.

Gene (01:15:14):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:15:15):
It came back up a little bit, but that was always like,
they portrayed it in movies.
Like every young kid wanted togo to space.
Like that was just, everyonewanted to be an astronaut

Gene (01:15:25):
Yeah.
I think it kind of went from allthe boys wanting to be cowboys
to all the boys wanting to beastronauts.

Adam (01:15:31):
and now it's all the boys want to,

Gene (01:15:33):
Now they all want to be fem boys.

Adam (01:15:35):
chop their wieners off and

Gene (01:15:36):
Yep.
Chapter wieners off and weargirls clothes.
What the hell's wrong with thiscountry?

Adam (01:15:42):
I, if you figure it out, you let me know.

Gene (01:15:45):
Mm-hmm.
Well, I, like I said, I think itis a cycle that we're going
through, and unfortunately, whatprobably will be the corrective
course for this cycle is thatthere will be a war, whether
it's a civil war or some kind ofinternational war, but it'll be
something that.
make these questions of are youallowed to use certain words, be

(01:16:08):
irrelevant because when you'refighting for your life,

Adam (01:16:13):
Well, aren't they

Gene (01:16:13):
you don't have time to worry about what's coming out of
somebody's mouth.

Adam (01:16:18):
Well, I, I grew up with everybody saying, sticks and
stones may break my bones, butwords will never hurt me.

Gene (01:16:25):
Yep.
I, I literally used that phraseearlier today when I'm trying to
explain this to a zoomer, isthat the, the, the codification
of language as violence is notonly absurd and dangerous, but
it is the hallmark oftotalitarian societies when
you're not allowed to saycertain things and the context

(01:16:47):
that it leads to is identical tophysical violence.
That's not a country you want tobe in.

Adam (01:16:54):
no.
Well, and I think

Gene (01:16:56):
the kind of stuff we accrue in North Korea of, but
yet we're actually doing more ofhere in the us.

Adam (01:17:01):
oh, tenfold, I would say

Gene (01:17:04):
Yeah, well,

Adam (01:17:05):
we're destroying ourself from within.

Gene (01:17:07):
absolutely, 100%.
And people keep searching for anexternal cause.
Like I, I have, I've got bothconservative and, and liberal
and libertarian all kinds offriends.
But you, I keep seeing theseconservatives keep referencing
things like these interviewswith a A former U S S R spy that
talked about how, this is theplan for communism to take over

(01:17:27):
the US and they're gonnainfiltrate these groups and then
they're gonna do this.
That it's dude, okay, that firstof all was 50 years ago.
Secondly, that's not the onlyway that these groups or this
kind of mentality happens.
It's not some external forcetrying to infiltrate you and,
and turn you in a lot of wayswhat's happening in the US is a,

(01:17:51):
it's a it's, it's proof to somedegree that Marx was correct,

Adam (01:17:57):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:17:58):
that there is a cycle that happens in capitalism that
ultimately by differentdisenfranchising enough of the
working people, which is, it'squestionable what that means
these days, but, but it doeslead people to want to throw
away capitalism.
And that's one of the negativeaspects of it, is because

(01:18:19):
inevitably there are winners andlosers.
And when you get to a pointwhere the number of winners is
minuscule, and these are the,the, the rich tech company
executive types, and the numberof losers is huge because
everybody's quality of life isdown from what it was 10 years
ago.

Adam (01:18:40):
Yeah.

Gene (01:18:41):
And so you do get into this attitude where people are
starting to say, well, you knowwhat?
Fuck them communism.
Maybe he's got good aspects toit that we ought be looking
into,

Adam (01:18:51):
Yeah.
But point, point to one,communist co, country that has
succeeded with the, with theexception of China.

Gene (01:18:59):
they all use these same America first arguments.
They say, well, the reason thatcommunism hasn't succeeded in
the past is because it wasn'tdone by countries that were
ready for it.
The way the US is.
Like the, like Russian peasantsand Chinese surfs had no
business trying to be communistsbecause they weren't intelligent

(01:19:22):
enough and prepared enough toreally understand what living in
the communal government entails.
But Americans are smart enoughand prepared enough to be able
to actually have a successfulcommunism happening here.
That's, that's the selfrationalization that they
utilize.
I obviously, I think it'sbullshit, but nonetheless, there

(01:19:45):
is a big movement.
And I think a lot of theseorganizations like B l m that
are not on their surface.
Communist at all.
But once you start diggingthrough the materials, you start
looking at the people that theyou, you do the, the overlay of
who's involved in thoseorganizations and what else are

(01:20:07):
they involved in and what else,what other ideas are they
promulgating?
You definitely start seeing thata lot of these people are very
heavily influenced by Marxismand communism, and they're,
they're just referred to asprogressivism,

Adam (01:20:27):
well in Progressivism has been a cover name for communism,

Gene (01:20:34):
right?
Yeah.
It's, they're always trying toavoid using things that sound
derogatory, obviously.
And Communism's gotten a badrep, and incidentally, unlike
the big communist scare that washappening back in the fifties,

Adam (01:20:49):
the, Red Scare.

Gene (01:20:50):
yeah, the red scare like you don't need, again, I keep
coming back to this.
You don't need an externalforce.
Like if enough of yourpopulation thinks that the
current system is bad enough,then they're much more apt to
embrace a different systemwithout needing subversion from
some other country.

(01:21:11):
Now, there are still communistcountries.
There are fewer.
Now, China is a very modifiedform of communism.
It's, it's sort of, ImperialChina, communism, It's not
really not really the stuff thatMarx or Orlen were describing.
But in the end, this is, this isa very realistic, dangerous path

(01:21:32):
that I see the United Statesgoing down.
And I think we're gonna have areckoning very soon that'll
determine which side gets to bethe majority, which side gets to
push that narrative through.
Whether it is gonna be theprogressive a k a communist
side, or whether there's gonnabe enough of a rebellion against

(01:21:55):
it and a belief in traditionalAmerican values that are very
anti-communists.
To have that pendulum swingback.
So I started talking about thependulum at the beginning of the
conversation, and I think thatis, that is sort of my white
pill, that is my silver liningon everything that's been
happening, is that looking atthe past, it does look like that

(01:22:18):
pendulum should start swingingbackwards.
But there's zero guarantee ofthat.
There's certainly a chance thatit won't, and that the country
will keep going further andfurther down into decline.
Much the way that Rome, whichwas the greatest country on the
earth,

Adam (01:22:34):
it was the greatest civilization on the face of the
earth.

Gene (01:22:37):
Yeah.
It was a, it was a civilizationthat really was named for a
city, Rome, the city stillexists, but the, the Roman
Empire, the the, the Roman methgovernment and mentality that
existed

Adam (01:22:49):
It collapsed from within.

Gene (01:22:51):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
The Rome was not conquered.
Rome fell

Adam (01:22:55):
yeah.
And I think, I think the UnitedStates is definitely on that
road.
And I think one of the greatestadders to our own
self-destruction was thedestruction of the church and
the destruction of the family.

Gene (01:23:12):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:23:12):
That's been a great burden against the United

Gene (01:23:17):
I think they're very related.
I think that when, when youdon't have a family unit when
you just have one parent,

Adam (01:23:24):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:23:25):
it, then the church there's almost no time for
religion.
You know what I mean?

Adam (01:23:30):
no.

Gene (01:23:30):
People are just trying to get by.
And I think that the, the singlefamily or the single parent
family can absolutely be tracedto the Women's Liberation
Movement.
This idea that women areself-sufficient, they don't need
men.

Adam (01:23:49):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:23:50):
While it may sound good in theory, It, it goes contrary to
what the last million years ofhuman evolution has worked
towards.
Like we, we didn't evolve to beindividual self-sufficient
beings that only meet up once ayear to have sex.
And then part like bears arethat way.

(01:24:11):
Bears are solitary animals.

Adam (01:24:13):
Well, I mean, you're kind of, you're kind of a bearish
guy,

Gene (01:24:16):
little bit, yeah.
And I, I like bears, man.
I think bears are one of myfavorite

Adam (01:24:19):
Oh, they're

Gene (01:24:20):
live in herds.
They don't live in communes.
The dudes are out on their ownand they, they hook up once a
year with a, a female bear andthen, they don't really get to
see their kids a whole lot.
And like that is not what weevolved to.
What we evolved to is to havehierarchies, hierarchies of

(01:24:42):
small family units followed bylarger extended families follow,
followed by geographically basedcommunities, and on and on and
on all the way up to countries.
And that's one of the reasonsthat I think humanity has been
successful in conquering theplanet was because of this, this
sort of hierarchical tendencythat we have.

(01:25:02):
And Jordan Peterson talks aboutthis quite a bit.
Although he, he jokingly there,his studies were all done in
lobsters and then he kind ofextrapolates that out to other
animals.
But nonetheless I, I think.
When you start doing things thatare contrary to what evolution
has evolved you to, and mydefinition of evolution is very

(01:25:24):
simple.
It's, it is the the propagationof the successful when, when
something works.
And that means that the peopledoing that thing have a higher
chance of having offspring.
So if you live in a very highstress, high risk environment,

(01:25:46):
the odds are you're probablygonna gonna die off at some
point because there's just toomuch pressure on you.
And then people that leave thatenvironment go to an environment
that's less stressful, lessrisky.
They'll have a higher chance ofsurviving and, and procreating
and having offspring.
And eventually there won't beanybody left in that high stress

(01:26:08):
environment and everybody willbe living in the lower stress
environment because that's thepeople that actually manage to
have kids.

Adam (01:26:14):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:26:15):
And so right now with what's happening with the, the
very large drop in birth ratesin the us I think could be seen
through that same analyticallens of this will self-correct,
this will correct itself.
It's not gonna be fun livinghere, but the US is gonna go
through a period of shrinkingnot just shrinking power that's

(01:26:39):
already being seen and thenshrinking value of the US
dollar, but it's going to gothrough a period of shrinking
population within the US as well

Adam (01:26:48):
Well, I it, in all honesty, you're, you're
literally reading the screenplayfrom Idiocracy

Gene (01:26:54):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Idiocracy was a non-fictiondocumentary as far as I'm
concerned.

Adam (01:26:59):
well, Mike Judge.
He, he nailed the hammer righton a head.
I mean, the nail right on ahead.
Yeah.

Gene (01:27:08):
that that was filmed here in, in Austin.

Adam (01:27:10):
Was it really?
Huh?
Did not know that.

Gene (01:27:13):
Parts of it were shot up in Dallas as well, but good
Chunk Wood was down here.

Adam (01:27:17):
Well, if they would've waited another 20 years, they
would've

Gene (01:27:19):
right.
Couldn't have just,

Adam (01:27:20):
the real deal right there in Austin

Gene (01:27:25):
Exactly.
Yeah.
It, it's it is kind of the paththat we're going down and
including the, the fact thatthey basically have a coliseum
in that movie, for theentertainment of the people.
the president is basicallyelected by popularity that has
nothing to do with political or,

Adam (01:27:45):
where we're at right now,

Gene (01:27:47):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:27:49):
although I don't believe, sleepy.
Joe has got the popularity.

Gene (01:27:53):
I would never say that Joe was elected.
I think Joe was

Adam (01:27:56):
I think he was installed.

Gene (01:27:58):
Yeah.
I think install is theappropriate word cuz you,
you're, you're not specifyinghow he was installed, but he was
installed.
He is the president.
That's indisputable.
But I don't believe that he hereceived the majority of the
vote.

Adam (01:28:12):
No, I don't believe he did.
I believe there was a lot ofdirty dirtiness going on in the
last election, but

Gene (01:28:18):
well, every election for the last few.
Really?
I, I don't think that theystarted this two years ago.

Adam (01:28:25):
no,

Gene (01:28:26):
they just underestimated.
Exactly.
They under, I think this wasstill happening with Hillary,
but I don't think they, theyunderestimated how many more
bags of votes need to be foundand just didn't deliver them in
time to win Hillary's election.
They just truly were just,enamored with the smell of their

(01:28:47):
own farts and thought thatpeople just loved Hillary.

Adam (01:28:51):
I don't know of anybody, even people that you know, that
I know that are staunch Democrator liberals that liked her.
I don't know anybody that likes

Gene (01:29:02):
no.

Adam (01:29:03):
She's very unlikeable.
And I think, I think there wassome dirty pool being played on
that election too.
They just underestimated, howmany people did not like her?

Gene (01:29:13):
You gotta remember it, women by a large majority voted
for a guy that said the phrase,grab her by the pussy over
Hillary Clinton.

Adam (01:29:25):
well, he didn't say Grab her by the pussy,

Gene (01:29:28):
He said, grab them by the pussy.

Adam (01:29:30):
they will let you grab them by the pussy.

Gene (01:29:33):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?

Adam (01:29:35):
Which is, I mean, he wasn't saying that he goes out
and, and intentionally grabspeople by the puy.
He might, props to him if he

Gene (01:29:41):
But, but I'm just saying a guy who said a crude thing

Adam (01:29:44):
he said a crude.

Gene (01:29:45):
that was reported publicly, he didn't say it
publicly.
He said it privately, but theasshole happened to be
recording.
that he was saying it to.

Adam (01:29:53):
It was Jim Ro, Jim locker talk.
I mean, everybody has saidsomething like that.
And if you say you haven't, thenyou're,

Gene (01:30:00):
Oh God.
Way worse than that.
Of course.
Yeah.
No, when you're talking to guyslike on a podcast or something
and nobody's listening, there'sall kinds of stuff.

Adam (01:30:08):
So, so is no, is nobody gonna listen to this?
Is that, is that what you're

Gene (01:30:12):
Oh, no, no.
For safety reasons, there's nolisteners to this podcast.
This is, this is just you and Italking now, it's being
recorded, frankly.
But yeah, I mean, I, if we hadpeople listening, there would be
you wouldn't want thingscertain, certain elements of
this conversation coming.

Adam (01:30:27):
Well, not to say that I'm gonna pull a Paula Dean and say
something really, outta context.
But how about that man?
She talking about Paula Dean?
I don't know.
Are you, you're you're familiarwith

Gene (01:30:38):
Yeah, I remember that.

Adam (01:30:39):
I mean, that, I'm pretty sure she had a truckload of
butter delivered to her homeevery day.
But,

Gene (01:30:44):
she did.
Yeah.

Adam (01:30:45):
I mean,

Gene (01:30:46):
Cooking and butter's good,

Adam (01:30:47):
she was huge.
Everybody loved her.

Gene (01:30:50):
Yeah, yeah,

Adam (01:30:51):
And then that, that deal come out where she said the N
word and Wow.
Holy cow.

Gene (01:30:56):
Yeah.
And I don't think that she wasat all nasty and she wasn't,
Steve was definitely not racist.
And it, it's all in context.
And this goes back to what I'mtalking about, this whole woke
ideology where words areviolence is insane.
And it, and it is absolutely thesort of stuff that you find in

(01:31:17):
authoritarian regimes.

Adam (01:31:18):
Well, and you'll also find

Gene (01:31:20):
the, Chinese leader is looks like Winnie the p because
you, the same thing will happento you that happens to Paul
Dean.

Adam (01:31:28):
Yep.

Gene (01:31:29):
You'll be erased.

Adam (01:31:31):
But then again, if you're a straight white guy, you're
already trying to be a race.
So what, what's the point of

Gene (01:31:35):
Yeah.
I mean, if you were reallytrying, you would stop being a
straight white guy.

Adam (01:31:41):
oh, really?
Well, I a pull of Justin TroTrudel or, that little

Gene (01:31:46):
If it'll Fidel Castro's kid.

Adam (01:31:47):
Yeah.
Do the black face,

Gene (01:31:49):
Exactly.
Exactly.
So that does that justdemonstrates his willingness to
stop being a I don't know ifhe's straight or not, but a
white man anyway.

Adam (01:31:57):
I, I don't, I don't care if someone is a homosexual or,
or gay or, or whatever.
Where I start having problemswith any of that is when it's
trying to force it downeverybody's throat saying that
everyone, it's everyone else'sthe problem.

Gene (01:32:11):
Exactly.
Exactly.

Adam (01:32:13):
the same way with, with words or hate, but yet that's
the same group that defends freespeech.
So how could you say you are allabout free speech, and then on
the other hand, you're trying toshut somebody else down for
their own ideas.

Gene (01:32:27):
Well, that's, see, as a, as a straight white male, you
don just don't understand thatfree speech actually means
approved speech.

Adam (01:32:35):
oh,

Gene (01:32:36):
Yeah.
See, that's the mistake you'remaking.

Adam (01:32:37):
see I'm learning something every day.

Gene (01:32:39):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Is it, once you understand that,really you can say you're
totally forced free speech aslong as you understand that the
word free speech means approvedspeech.
Yes.
And, and what did you mean bythat woman?

Adam (01:32:55):
Yeah.

Gene (01:32:57):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:32:58):
That woman,

Gene (01:32:59):
Yeah.
That woman

Adam (01:33:00):
I think, I think Bill learned the hard way on that
one.

Gene (01:33:03):
yeah.
Yeah.
I'm, something was hard there.

Adam (01:33:06):
Probably the cigars

Gene (01:33:07):
but bump.
Yeah.
Definitely never g never take acigar from Bill Clinton.
It's probably been used.

Adam (01:33:12):
No, no.
And, and Bill was the party guy.
I mean,

Gene (01:33:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't agree with hispolitics, but I would totally
hang with Bill

Adam (01:33:21):
I've, I've, I've, I've talked to some people that have
met Bill Clinton and they saidthat he's just a very sociable,
fun guy to be around.
But,

Gene (01:33:31):
exactly.
And then witch just grabbed ontohim and clearly she had

Adam (01:33:36):
whole marriage, that whole

Gene (01:33:37):
it was all a sham.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's been a lesbian her wholelife.
That's pretty fucking obvious.
She's repressed.
She grew up in a conservativehome.
She was campaigning for Nixonand and she was holding back
this little secret of heractually liking to eat pussy.
And so what she did was find aguy that would do a deal with

(01:33:59):
her for their mutual benefit towhere she could keep doing what
she likes.
He was her, he was her beardeffectively.
And then she didn't care who hewas fucking cuz it certainly
wasn't her

Adam (01:34:13):
Yeah.
The only problem was, is he gotcaught.

Gene (01:34:16):
too many times.
It wasn't just once he keptgetting.

Adam (01:34:20):
And then he decided it was a good idea to hang out with ol
Epstein and take a little flipplane ride over

Gene (01:34:26):
But

Adam (01:34:26):
know, Epstein's

Gene (01:34:27):
seemed like, no, that seemed like a good idea at the
time, because then he's notgonna get caught cuz he knows
there are no cameras on LolitaIsland and that he could have
all the fun that he wants when,and it's never gonna end up
being reported anywhere.

Adam (01:34:44):
Well, until the fact that Epstein was behind bars and
Hillary goes, oh, we can't letany more of that come out.

Gene (01:34:51):
no, no, no.
Epstein just amazingly suicidedhimself by, hanging himself and,
and, and shooting himself in thehead at the same time.

Adam (01:35:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Gene (01:35:01):
It's amazing.

Adam (01:35:02):
two things that don't hang themself.
Christmas ornaments and JerryEpstein.

Gene (01:35:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's, it's it's always amazingto me when people suicide by
doing a double tap.
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:35:14):
It.
I heard an article about apedophile in Russia that the,
the guy, this guy found out thatthis pedophile was after his
kid.
So he, he shot the guy twice inthe back of the head, dug a hole
and buried him, and they foundthe guy in, in the hole.
And the Russian police, I, I,I'm just kind of paraphrasing on

(01:35:39):
who actually come up with aconclusion on what happened, but
they said the guy committedsuicide.

Gene (01:35:46):
Sounds like it.
I mean, isn't that what you callsuicide by police in the us?
It's like if, if somebody diesin police custody, that was
suicide by police.

Adam (01:35:57):
And see that's the thing is, is anywhere else in the
world, including my own world,pedophilia is, should be
punishable by death.

Gene (01:36:06):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:36:08):
But we live in, a woke society that believes that that
is a disability

Gene (01:36:14):
It's a, yeah.
Don't you see?
You just don't understand.

Adam (01:36:18):
but clearly I don't.
Do you

Gene (01:36:20):
no, no.
I mean, I understand that.
I don't understand.
So I guess it's a little closerthan you are, but yeah.
And, and I think that there's a,it's, it's almost comical
hearing Putin's last speech,talking about the, the collapse
of the Western civilizationbeing parallel to the collapse

(01:36:41):
of the Roman civilization.
Because the same exact thingsare happening,

Adam (01:36:45):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:36:46):
aside from a concepts that they're very ridiculous, like
that words are violence, whichis insane.
You'll, you'll also have.
The increase in publicdepravity.
Now, again, I don't give a shitwhat people do in their own
bedrooms.
Whatever.
Have fun, man.
I'm all for doing crazy shitthat doesn't hurt you or anybody

(01:37:10):
else.
You wanna stick a carrot up yourass, stick a carrot up your ass.
I don't care.
But when it comes to

Adam (01:37:17):
I think there's been a lot worse things besides carrots,

Gene (01:37:20):
there, there have been, yeah, a lot of stories have come

Adam (01:37:23):
but let, let, let, let's try and keep this podcast at
least

Gene (01:37:26):
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, somewhat G-ratedwe're G-rated,

Adam (01:37:29):
Oh yeah.

Gene (01:37:30):
know.
Yes.
But but when you come and dothat in a public farm and you're
really doing it to push buttonsmore than anything, there's a
video interview that I watchedwith the founder of a group
called Gays Against Groomers,and it's this

Adam (01:37:51):
groomers.

Gene (01:37:52):
yeah, gays Against Groomers and it, it was founded
by this lesbian woman andthey've got a whole bunch of
members in there.
And, and it is, it was a greatinterview because it's, it's so
nice to be able to hear somebodywho's rational and talking about
how not only do these topics notbelong in public school, or

(01:38:18):
anywhere around children, Butalso talking about, kind of
bitching actually about how, thePride parades used to be about
people just wanting to go outand demonstrate essentially for
getting equal rights.
The what, what they wanted waslike, for example, the right to

(01:38:40):
get married.
And, you, you could havemultiple opinions on whether
that's good or bad or otherwise,but it kind of went from that to
now.
The way she describes it, Ithink very accurately is it's
like a fetish fest.
It, it has nothing to do withprotesting.
It has nothing because we got,this is her words.
We got everything we wanted, andnow they're just pushing further

(01:39:05):
and further down and, anddoubling down on on these pride
parade to where you have all thed variety of kinks publicly
being demonstrated.
Very much not kid appropriatevenues because they're literally
on the streets and absolutelynot doing activities that are

(01:39:28):
kids friendly.
So it it she's just frustratedcuz like this.
This is not what we oughta bedoing.
Like we ought to the, the wholepoint of originally, if you go
back to the eighties, again,I'm, I'm going back times before
you were alive, but you go backto that I certainly knew gay

(01:39:48):
people in college and stuff, andtheir, their gayness, if you
will, was a small part of theirpersonalities.

Adam (01:39:57):
Yeah,

Gene (01:39:57):
They were into the, just like anybody else, into a
variety of different interestsand hobbies and topics and
everything.
And and so the, the L G B T, andit wasn't even L G B T back
then, by the way.
It was G l b, it was the gays,lesbians and bisexuals groups.
Somehow the lesbians flipped itaround, so they became first

(01:40:20):
place in that whole list oflitany of things.
But those groups were just likenormal people, normal students
who had this one thing in commonwith each other that they had a
difference with the majority ofthe people, which is they liked
people of the same sex.
And it wasn't just about the sexeither.

(01:40:40):
It was that like they hadfriends, there was plenty of
people that had friends thatwere on the opposite side of the
the gay or straight thing, likeplaying a straight people at gay
friends, playing gay people whohad straight friends.
Because they had things incommon with their friends, and
this was just one of the thingsthat they didn't have in common
with them.
And so being part of thesegroups like G L B was just a, is

(01:41:05):
a way to actually be a majorityof people with something in
common and not always besomebody who's the minority.
But it, it was not radicalized,it wasn't politicized the degree
that it is today after all thevictories that they've had.
And it sure as hell wasn't thisenormous tent where everybody

(01:41:27):
with every kind of king possibleis part of the same 10th.

Adam (01:41:31):
Yeah.

Gene (01:41:31):
and, and really, I mean, if you listen to some of the
less radical gays out there, alot of both gay men and and
lesbians have been talking abouthow if you're white and you're
gay, you're almost pushed out ofG L B T X, Y Z, asterisk,
apostrophe, whatever the hell itis, because you are too close to

(01:41:53):
the enemy for them.

Adam (01:41:55):
Well, what?
And I've heard it, and I, and ofcourse I'm not, I have very
little knowledge about thatcommunity cuz I'm not associated
with any of that.

Gene (01:42:06):
Yeah.
Well, I'm more metropolitan.
I, I've seen plenty of dragshows over the years.

Adam (01:42:10):
But they, they call it SISs, right?

Gene (01:42:15):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:42:15):
Like you could be a cis gay person,

Gene (01:42:18):
which is insane.

Adam (01:42:20):
which I, first of all, I had a hard time trying to figure
out what they meant by SISs.
I mean, I'm not,

Gene (01:42:25):
Right.
Right.
And it, and it, and it's aninsult.
I mean, they pretend like thisis just a description, but you
don't have to say SISs.
You say SISs because you want toinsult that person by putting
them in a, in a separate box.
Like SISs makes you sound likethat's not normal.

Adam (01:42:43):
hmm.

Gene (01:42:43):
Oh, you're one of those cis people, huh?
Yeah.
Gotta watch out for you.
And it, it, it's, again, itstems from, it's a first time I
heard that was probably like,oh, six years ago, seven years
ago.
It's, it's a fairly recent thingbecause it comes from academia
and it, and it it really is justa way to describe similar, it,

(01:43:05):
it, you could just as easily sayhomo, ironically, because homo
simply means similar or same.
Your

Adam (01:43:13):
Well, I mean,

Gene (01:43:14):
homogenous the, the root of that is homo.

Adam (01:43:17):
well, and if you look further on back, I mean, gay
wasn't even a word to describesomeone that was a homosexual

Gene (01:43:25):
Yeah.
Gay used to be just gay.
Yeah.
Happy gol.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And but you know, again, I thinkthis is my suspicion is without
looking up the entomology ofthis, is that the word gay
became a word for homosexualbecause nice cis people didn't
want to insult the gays bycalling them homosexuals.

(01:43:50):
They just said, well, he'skinda, he's happy all the time.
One of those people, well, thosehappy go-lucky people, you know
what I mean?
Wink wink.

Adam (01:43:57):
I want them little fruity left limp drifted, fellers.
That's what I always

Gene (01:44:02):
Yeah.
exactly.
Limp, wristed.
Feller.
Exactly.
So, and there's definitely beena push in that, in that group of
people, in that community, ifyou will, to try and take words
that they're being described as,and use them themselves to kind
of diffuse the meaning, like theword queer, like that was
clearly an insult.

(01:44:23):
Like queer definition, pre-gamemeaning of queer it means
unusual, strange, not normal.
That's what queer means.
And so that was again, probablya word used by people that were
not gay to describe gay people,they're kinda, eh, something a
little queer about'em, a littleoff.

(01:44:44):
And and then the, now the wordqueer is one of the mainstream
gay self deses descriptive wordsI think that's, I, and she
talked about this, this gal, Ican't remember her name, but I
like her.
She's really good.

Adam (01:44:56):
So are we at a point to where nowadays gay and or
homosexual or lesbian is nowgonna be not allowed to be said,
because we're already to thepoint where, there's no such
thing as a man or a woman.

Gene (01:45:12):
right.

Adam (01:45:13):
There's no such thing as, human beings almost to this
point.
You can identify as whatever youare,

Gene (01:45:20):
Yeah.
Come quiet.

Adam (01:45:22):
Yeah.
Well, I, I've, I've cl I, whenpeople ask me, I, I usually say,
I, I identify as an Apachehelicopter,

Gene (01:45:30):
That's pretty good.
Yeah.
I usually identify as a stolengrad.
Uhhuh.

Adam (01:45:35):
I identify as an asshole,

Gene (01:45:37):
Yeah.

Adam (01:45:37):
but

Gene (01:45:38):
no, Everybody else identifies you as an asshole.

Adam (01:45:40):
well, I mean, I mean, I've been called At some point
they're gonna say, gay isn'tallowed, homosexual isn't
allowed.
Man, woman, I mean, and it's,it's, it does not make sense to
me anymore.
It doesn't make sense to mostpeople I talk to,

Gene (01:45:56):
Yeah, yeah,

Adam (01:45:58):
but yet this is the road that we're on and I'm trying to
figure out, cuz it's nodifferent, it, it's like talking
about Joe Biden.
You talk to 90% of people.
I didn't vote for him.
Well then how did he get in?

Gene (01:46:12):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Adam (01:46:15):
It's, it's things that, that are just un

Gene (01:46:19):
mm-hmm.

Adam (01:46:21):
makes my brain hurt.

Gene (01:46:24):
Yeah.
So it's a very interesting timeto be living in, not necessarily
the best time, but definitelyinteresting because of what's
happening.
But it, it is not a time that Iwould wish for people to be
living here or, well, shit,dude, we're still better off
than Europe.
Look at what's going on there.

Adam (01:46:42):
Well true.
I, I would, I would have to saythat we as a civilization
worldwide are heading into sift.

Gene (01:46:50):
I would actually modify, it's not that we are and have
been in that a modern surfthemm, we're just not aware of
it because the, if you, let'ssay you were, let's say
abstracted, right?
Let's say you're gonna build acard game like a Dungeons Dragon

(01:47:11):
time.

Adam (01:47:12):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:47:13):
And you wanna create these different classes and categories
in that game of different power,qualities or whatever.

Adam (01:47:20):
Okay,

Gene (01:47:21):
If you look at the Middle Ages or even the the Renaissance
period, and you look at wherewas power, what were the
hierarchical structures of powerat that point in time, you had
sort of village elders orleaders.
You had a, a variety ofdifferent levels of nobility

(01:47:42):
above them, and then it all kindof rolls up to a king

Adam (01:47:45):
now?

Gene (01:47:46):
and none of these people are elected, right?

Adam (01:47:49):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:47:50):
Do we not have that today?
Except it's corporation based.
There are people that not onlylive the lifestyle of Dukes and
the, vi counts and all thattoday, regardless of what the
rest of us look like, likepeople whose assets number in

(01:48:11):
the hundreds of millions, theycan pick up the phone and get
anybody on the phone they want.
They can buy politicians leftand right because politicians
are all for sale.
This is not like hyperbole.
This is a fact.
The way that politicians getvotes in Congress, in the US

(01:48:33):
Congress.
Is by buying those votes.
Legally,

Adam (01:48:38):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:48:40):
the way they can do this is they effectively swap
political donations that arepromised by the special interest
groups.
If you vote for this, I'll giveyou 20% of the donations that I
get from Raytheon.
Okay, I'll vote for it.
That's worth it.
That is literally how it's doneand it's above board.

(01:49:02):
Like people don't hear about itbecause they don't want to talk
about it, but it's not reallyhidden.
Anybody that wants to dig into

Adam (01:49:09):
it's public knowledge.

Gene (01:49:11):
Absolutely, because all the data's reported, like they
still have to report all thisshit in the end, but the way our
system is set up is this islegal,

Adam (01:49:21):
Well, it, it's, it's reported If it is legal, I mean,
I'm

Gene (01:49:25):
well, they don't need to do it illegally because it's,
it's totally allowed to do itlegally.
Not to mention the fact thatthey can literally create a law
that affects a businesspositively or negatively, and
then buy stock in that businessbeforehand to take advantage of
that change.
And that's perfectly legal aswell.

Adam (01:49:42):
Well, perfect example of that was PanAm versus twa,
Howard Hughes.
That was a great example of nowI'm trying to remember the name
of the senator that was in frontof the hearing that went after
Howard Hughes because TWA was acompetitor to Pan Am.
PanAm had spent a lot of moneywith the Senator to try and

(01:50:06):
basically control the airways towhere any other airline would
have to ha pay or havepermission from PanAm to be able
to fly those routes.

Gene (01:50:17):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:50:19):
And I think the movie have you ever seen that movie,
Leonardo DiCaprio?

Gene (01:50:22):
I never did, no.

Adam (01:50:23):
Aviator?

Gene (01:50:24):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:50:25):
He goes into pretty good detail about that court

Gene (01:50:27):
Yeah.
Well, that's going way back, butI, I don't think you have to go
back that far and look at

Adam (01:50:31):
well, no, well look at Na.
Yeah, perfect example.
Look at her husband.
He likes having hammers put inplaces, you

Gene (01:50:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.

Adam (01:50:39):
but that's a perfect

Gene (01:50:41):
conveyance,

Adam (01:50:42):
Ah, boy, that ain't no crap.
But sh I seen an advertisementthe other day for hey, come take
a look at what Nancy Pelosi'sdoing and selling off so many
shares of these stocks, and youcan watch what she's doing and
we will kind of guide you in the

Gene (01:50:57):
Yeah.
There's funds that literallyjust mirror what politicians do,
and they all make money.
You never lose money

Adam (01:51:03):
No, but wouldn't that be considered insider trading?

Gene (01:51:08):
Oh.
For anybody else.
But,

Adam (01:51:10):
Oh, well,

Gene (01:51:11):
this is not a secret.
This is literally, they have anexemption to that.
So it is, I think we are livingin just a modern version of
feudalism.
We have people that have theability to control great wealth
through corporations, whetherthey built those from nothing,

(01:51:32):
and plenty of people do that, orwhether they just got lucky in
the stock market or got moneysome other way.
Now, once you have a certainamount of money, you have to
literally be an idiot to loseit.
Like enough money in the systemjust generates more wealth.
So,

Adam (01:51:52):
unless you're ye

Gene (01:51:55):
well, but again, what did I just say?
You have to be an idiot to loseit.
YE is actively trying to losemoney.

Adam (01:52:02):
Well, I don't think he's trying to lose money.
I think he's just lost his mind.

Gene (01:52:06):
Well, fair enough.
My, I'm not saying the reasonbehind why he is losing money,
but his actions are predictablygoing to lose money for him.

Adam (01:52:17):
Yeah.

Gene (01:52:18):
No rational person would've think that he wouldn't
lose money given what he's beendoing.

Adam (01:52:25):
Well, I mean, no rational person would think that Nancy
Pelosi would be making moneywith the stupid shit she's been
doing.

Gene (01:52:32):
Everybody that comes, well not so much Congress, but
certainly to the Senate.
it becomes a millionaire ifthere aren't already a
millionaire.
Like there, the Senate is run100% by millionaires.
It's, it's just, that's how itworks,

Adam (01:52:48):
And

Gene (01:52:49):
is where you go to become a millionaire.

Adam (01:52:51):
and that's, and it's, it's kind of sickening and you can
really see where we are going insuch a wrong direction because
our founding fathers neverintended for government to get
to the stage where it's at now.
It was supposed to be apart-time job.
It was supposed to be, come in,combine, vote on the important

(01:53:11):
things, go home, see yourfamily.
Now it is just a career.

Gene (01:53:17):
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
And, and I, I, I think I bringthis up probably way too often
for people that listen to thepodcast, but I, I keep bringing
it up cuz it's true.
I remember writing a paper inhigh school that in order to
address and solve the majorproblems we have with current
government, and this was writtenin the eighties, as I said, the

(01:53:37):
only viable solution is toimplement term limits.
And yes, I know that means thatsome people are gonna be upset
that a good person that theythink is doing good for the
country will also be limited intheir ability to do good.

Adam (01:53:51):
Yeah.

Gene (01:53:52):
Nonetheless, we know what happens when you don't have term
limits because we've been livingit and the only solution is to
implement term loads.
And what I proposed.
Two terms for senator, two termsfor president, three terms for a
house member.

Adam (01:54:08):
Yeah.

Gene (01:54:10):
That's

Adam (01:54:10):
if you did that, that would solve majority of the
problems that we're livingthrough right now.

Gene (01:54:15):
Mm-hmm.
because the incentives and we ashuman beings are all about doing
things that we're incentivizedto do.
Where machines built to do that.
The incentives are absolutelynot to do what, what's good for
the country, but rather to dowhat's good for the individual.
When somebody says, Hey, we'llwe'll give you 50 million for

(01:54:38):
your campaign, and all you haveto do is introduce this
legislation that we like.

Adam (01:54:44):
That we typed up for you.

Gene (01:54:46):
Yeah.
And, and we'll even write thewhole thing like, there's
nothing you need to do, you justneed to sponsor it.

Adam (01:54:50):
And we'll make it so big that nobody will leave and read
it.

Gene (01:54:54):
It's such a no-brainer.
If you're a politician, all Ihave to do is introduce this
bill.
I don't even have to read it andI get 50 million.
What?
You'd be an idiot not to do it.

Adam (01:55:05):
Mm.

Gene (01:55:06):
And that's exactly what happens.
And that's why when these 20politicians stood up and said,
we're not gonna go with the, thestandard flow here.
And we're gonna actually pushback on the The speaker of the
house position because there arethings that we don't like that

(01:55:29):
the rest of you, which is acombination of Democrats,
progressive liberals, rhinos,plenty of people with an are
behind their name, but reallythey're not really Republicans.

Adam (01:55:39):
No,

Gene (01:55:41):
And they basically gummed up the works for a while there.
And that was great.
I love seeing that.
I want to see more of that.
And that's kind of, that was whyI liked Trump coming in as a
brand new unknown force whowasn't gonna be affected by
donations of money cuz hedoesn't need it.
But unfortunately at this stageTrump is like, that was his

(01:56:03):
shots.
He did it once.
Now he is part of the system andI just don't think that he's the
right candidate moving forward.
I, I think it's, as of rightnow, at least the only guy that
I can see is the governor ofFlorida.

Adam (01:56:19):
DeSantis.

Gene (01:56:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't see anybodyelse that would be good.
Well, both, that could both pullit off and be good for the
country.

Adam (01:56:30):
And we may see DeSantis turn into, another Dan Crenshaw.

Gene (01:56:35):
We may, but again, this is the point of term limits.
You only get the guy for a shortperiod of time.
So if you get somebody that isgood today, if you have term
limits, you don't have to worryabout what they're gonna turn
into later.

Adam (01:56:49):
Yeah.

Gene (01:56:50):
And I really think at this point, Trump wanting to be
president has more to do withsatisfying his ego than it does
with any unfulfilled plans.
The guy literally had theopportunity in his first term,
in the first half of his firstterm, to do anything he wanted.
He could have gotten JulianAssange pardoned.

(01:57:11):
He could have done a whole slewof things that people were
hoping he would do.
And he did some, but he didn'tdo anywhere near the number of
things that people that votedfor him wanted him to do.
And the people that he keptbringing in were horrible.
It's like he, every time Trumpannounced a new nominee you
could just see he's shootinghimself in the foot cuz this

(01:57:32):
person does not represent theview of the people that voted
for Trump.
So that's why right now I thinkTrump is out of sync with the
MAGA movement.
I think the MAGA movement stillwants the same stuff they did
when it first got organized.
But Trump is a lot more of astatus now, like he is.

(01:57:53):
A lot more willing to compromisewith the Democrats and the
rhinos.
He's a lot more, and he'sdemonstrated his inability to
bring in good people that aregonna fight those rhinos into
his staff.
So I don't want Trump in therebecause the only thing that
happens if Trump is the nomineeon the ballot is a guaranteed

(01:58:14):
another loss for theRepublicans, regardless of who's
running on a Democratic ticket.
You, it could be fucking a o Con a ticket and she would win
over Trump

Adam (01:58:23):
Oh God.
Don't, don't, I don't need anymore nightmares.
That is just a, as she scares meas much

Gene (01:58:32):
see, this is why we play space video games cuz it's a
world, it's a way of escaping

Adam (01:58:38):
that's why I go, that's why I go spend way too much
money on airplanes.

Gene (01:58:43):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:58:44):
That is what, what everybody in this generation
calls a, a safe space for me,Oh, I

Gene (01:58:50):
You can, you can be yourself when you're flying
around.

Adam (01:58:53):
I, but, I, I agree

Gene (01:58:54):
way to be yourself.

Adam (01:58:56):
It, well, I, it keeps me off the streets.

Gene (01:58:59):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:59:00):
But I, I do agree.
I think Trump runs again, it'sgonna be a guaranteed loss
regardless of who's on the otherticket.
And I think a lot of Trump'sproblem was, I don't think he
realized how two faced people onhis own party line

Gene (01:59:21):
Yep.
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:59:22):
he went in.
I think the first four years helearned a lot.
I think if he went back, if, ifby some miracle he did get
reelected, I think he wouldprobably do a lot better in a
second term.

Gene (01:59:40):
Well, I, I voted for him for his second term.
I think it would've beencertainly the right move versus
the alternative

Adam (01:59:49):
Oh yeah.
I

Gene (01:59:50):
to have Trump win, but I just don't, now that we've kind
of gone through that and hedidn't, and again, we all have
theories about why he didn'twin, but the reality is he, he
didn't win even if that was fornefarious purposes,

Adam (02:00:05):
He won in all of the places, with the exception of a
select few that were going toturn the tie to the election.

Gene (02:00:12):
Right.
Well, and, and he, he certainlywon.
If you look at the incomingresults earlier in the days,
Like all the, all the negativeresults for him all came in
after the sunset which isinteresting.

Adam (02:00:29):
Oh, it's very questionable to say the least.
And then, well, I mean, Iremember they were gonna fight
it.
They were gonna fight it.
They had, oh, Rudy Giuliani washis hair dye running down his
foreheads, beating on a podium.
And then the F b I rated him.
And there hasn't been a peepoutta Rudy

Gene (02:00:50):
that's how it works.
I mean, that, that is the otherthing that's come out ever since
all this Twitter stuff came outis that the F B I is not an
impartial agency whatsoever.
The F B I is very clearly had anagenda that coincided with evoke
movement.

Adam (02:01:06):
surely not.

Gene (02:01:09):
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's not even hard.
It it, it would take actualdifficult work to try and
pretend that they weren't.

Adam (02:01:17):
Well, I mean, that goes, all that go

Gene (02:01:20):
pretend that that's the case.

Adam (02:01:22):
Well, I mean, when it's that clear and blatantly obvious
all the way back to j EdgarHoover starting the F B I to do
his dirty work.
I mean everybody, I mean,especially people on the left.
When you mentioned the F B I,prior to all of this shit coming
along the left had a greatdisdain for the F B I.

(02:01:44):
Oh, well that was, that wasHoover's, hit squad that, you
know, people that disagreed withhim.
That was, his gustapo.
But then you turned the tide andyou shows that it was a lot of
the left's narrative beingforced through the fbi.
Oh, how dare you.
You must say that you don't likethe police and, and you don't
like justice.

Gene (02:02:05):
Yeah.

Adam (02:02:06):
and anything that the left says that their opponent done
has all come back to show thatthis is shit that they did.

Gene (02:02:15):
Oh, absolutely.
And it, it's the old sort of,ironical description of January
6th versus the actual burning ofPortland.
And of course, Portland was amostly peaceful protest while
Washington DC was aninsurrection.
And the biggest attack inAmerica since the Civil War.

Adam (02:02:36):
Or as I heard, I think a O C said that it was worse than
nine 11.

Gene (02:02:42):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Worse than nine 11.
Yeah.
Well, cuz one woman died

Adam (02:02:47):
Yeah.
And windows were broken

Gene (02:02:49):
Yeah.
And windows were broken.
Yes,

Adam (02:02:51):
pictures are taken in Pelosi's chair.

Gene (02:02:53):
And pictures were taken.
Exactly.
I mean, these are horrible.
If you, if you want to see whatan insurrection looks.
Look at Ukraine 2014, when theCIA insurrection came in and
overthrew an elected governmentand installed a government that

(02:03:13):
was created by the US as tobecome a US proxy.
That is literally aninsurrection.

Adam (02:03:21):
Yep.

Gene (02:03:22):
What happened on January 6th?
Not even a pale shadow of that.

Adam (02:03:26):
No, but you know, it doesn't fit that narrative.

Gene (02:03:31):
No, no.
It it

Adam (02:03:33):
Remember, remember, you're a straight white male.
You're, you just don'tunderstand

Gene (02:03:38):
Yeah.
Clearly.
Clearly.
And, and the president ofUkraine, we have video of him
dancing in drag, so Yes, heunderstands.

Adam (02:03:46):
Wait, what?

Gene (02:03:47):
You haven't seen this?

Adam (02:03:49):
No,

Gene (02:03:49):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just just do a Google search forZelensky drag dancing.

Adam (02:03:55):
I don't know if I want to watch that.

Gene (02:03:56):
That's up to you.

Adam (02:03:58):
I you're,

Gene (02:03:58):
He was an actor.

Adam (02:04:00):
Really?

Gene (02:04:01):
he, he had never been in politics.
No, because he's placed, he'snot elected.
He, he was the, so, oh my gosh.
I guess I didn't realize hedidn't know the backstory.
So here's the backs.
So there's a, a Ukrainianbuilding there called named Kalo
Moki that had been one of thepeople that championed the US

(02:04:21):
overthrow of the Ukrainiangovernment.
And so he was greatly involvedfrom a financial side to ensure
that that happened when the UScame in in 2014 to indirect
Ukraine in the color revolutionthat they had there, and install
Nazis in in place, which theytotally did.
But at that point in time, KAmoki after that insurrection

(02:04:45):
and, and the, they take over thecountry, he actually ran for
public office himself.
And he was not well liked, sohe, he did not get elected to
the offices that he wanted to bein.
And so his plan B was to, okay,people don't like me.
They don't like my attitude, butI still want my ideas to be in

(02:05:07):
place.
So let's just find somebody thatpeople will like, that I can
control.
And so what he did like he was abillionaire.
He owned at least one in, Ithink maybe several television
networks in Ukraine.
So he had created this show, orhe, he sexually paid to have a
show.

(02:05:27):
Man of the People.
And this show, the storylinewas, it followed a, a high
school history teacher who endsup getting pulled into politics
through no particular desire ofhimself, but through a number of
things that happened.
Over the course of two seasons,he ends up being pulled into

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politics, running for office,and eventually running for
presidency of Ukraine andbecoming the president.
The actor that played thatcharacter was Vladimir Zelensky
because he was an actor.
That's all he'd ever done.
This show was one of the bestcreated pieces of long-term

(02:06:10):
propaganda you could imagine.
It effectively rewrote historyand sold the fictional story
that people liked and alignedwith.
And then amazingly, the guy thatplayed this great heroic hi
history teacher in Ukraine, allof a sudden had his name on the
ballot for the actual presidencyof the country.

(02:06:35):
Well, what do you think's gonnahappen?
Think like this is the prepro-Nazi Kanye getting his name
on the ballot.
This is some big.
Star in Hollywood deciding thathe's gonna run for president.
It's the same shit that happenedwhen Schwartzenegger got elected

(02:06:55):
to be governor of California.
He didn't get elected for hisgreat political ideas.
He got elected because he was amovie star.
Well, the population ofUkraine's, I think pretty close
to the population of California,maybe California in a couple
other states.
It's a tiny country compared tothe us.

Adam (02:07:14):
Yeah,

Gene (02:07:14):
And so Zelensky becomes president of the country with
less experience than BarackObama.
Literally no politicalexperience after having played a
character who was elected tobecome president of Ukraine with
no political experience.

(02:07:35):
It, it's, it's so on the nosethat it should make people go,
what?
That's insane.
How the fuck could that happen?
Well, it happens because thewhole thing is paid for an
orchestrated by the actual guyin charge which is called Mosk,
and not to mention the us.
And as soon as that happens wellbefore Zelensky, this is still,

(02:07:58):
but after the revolution, know,unlike what happened at the fall
of the Soviet Union, where a lotof the assets were sold off to
Western companies a lot offactories, factory equipment all
kinds of stuff.
Ammunition.
It's the reason you saw a lot ofguns for sale super cheap.
After the fall of the SovietUnion, it all got dumped because

(02:08:19):
people were willing to make aquick buck.
What happened after thisinsurrection in Ukraine was that
the country itself got sold tothe US and the Biden family.
The Pelosi family, the there'sfour of'em.
There are four big Americanpoliticians.
So Biden's kid, Pelosi's kidwhat's his name?

(02:08:41):
The Utah guy.
The

Adam (02:08:42):
Oh Romney.

Gene (02:08:43):
yeah.
Romney's kid.
And there's one more.
All their kids got magical jobsin Ukraine.

Adam (02:08:50):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (02:08:51):
That's called money laundering.
And that's exactly what washappening is that Ukraine was
being funneled money post theirmagical mighton revolution by
the US and a big chunk of thatmoney a slice of that was
getting funneled right back intothe bank accounts of these

(02:09:13):
American politicians.
And and everybody just sort ofignored it.
It was just not that big deal.
And Ukraine had become a greatslush fund, a great way to
launder money.
from donations.
Like it wasn't creating anymoney.
It's not like Ukraine wassending money to these people.

(02:09:33):
Ukraine was just cleaning themoney.
They were laundering it.
They, they were taking fundscoming from the US government
and re funneling them to go toindividual politicians', kids.
Now, they also did plenty ofother shit.
Like for some reason, Ukraine,all of a sudden, magically out
of thin air, ended up having 22research locations research

(02:09:58):
centers for researchingbiological,

Adam (02:10:02):
Oh

Gene (02:10:03):
contagions,

Adam (02:10:04):
I

Gene (02:10:04):
which of course everybody's just, no, no, no,
not biological weapons.
They were just biologicalcontagions.
Okay.

Adam (02:10:11):
what the hell is the difference?

Gene (02:10:13):
Yeah.
What the hell's the differenceand why are they done in Ukraine
by, and the money for it, as weknow, through looking at the,
the paper Trail of Congress wasappropriated and authorized by
Congress.
So how does that, and that wasduring Barack Obama's term, so
basically American taxpayerspaid for there to be all these

(02:10:36):
biological research facilitiesto pop up in Ukraine.
Just like Wuhan lab was paid forby Fauci guys.
Same exact thing.
Oh, you can't do that kind ofresearch in the United States?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
We.
let's just find somewhere else,some other country where they
don't have these, theseprohibitions on this type of

(02:10:57):
research that's very dangerous.
And do it there.
Yeah, let's do'em In Ukraine, wejust bought Ukraine, so we can
do anything we want there.

Adam (02:11:04):
Yeah.

Gene (02:11:05):
And the little annoying thing that happened to them, to
this KY guy, to the cia, toHillary Clinton, her state
department group was that whilethe, they were able to bamboozle
people in western Ukrainebecause there was, there was
generally a dislike of Russiabecause Russia, they got back on

(02:11:28):
their feet very quickly postcollapse of the Soviet Union.
They were able to, they, therewas definitely some hard times,
dude and I, I remember thatthere were people genuinely
concerned for their ability tobuy food and to heat themselves
in the winter in those earlyyears.
But for the most part afterabout a decade or so, maybe 15

(02:11:50):
years, Russia was absolutely anormal country.
Like grocery shelves were full.
The prices of of things werevery reasonable.
Everything is going fine.
Ukraine never got to that point.
Ukraine was mostly agrarian andit didn't get there between the
fall of Communis.

(02:12:11):
And the this Mayan insurrectionthat happened.
And it that was another thingthat was able to be utilized by
the West, is to say, well, the,the, the only reason you guys
haven't been enjoying thequality of life that the
Russians have is because theyhate you, and therefore you
should hate them.
And so consequently there thatthat was a, there was always

(02:12:33):
some anti-Russian sentiment it'snot fair.
Like we should have gotten thebigger piece of our pie here.
And so I think it was easier tosell in Western Ukraine.
Eastern Ukraine.
The closer you got to Russia,the more pro-Russia people's
attitudes were.

Adam (02:12:49):
Yeah,

Gene (02:12:50):
I know the way that the media here paints it is well,
the Russians living in easternUkraine.
It's like, dude, that wholeplace, there was no country
called Ukraine.
The, the whole thing isliterally was Russia.
It was all part of the RussianEmpire for hundreds of years up
until the Russian Revolutionwhere it became a political

(02:13:11):
district within the country of US S R.
So it was always Russia, then itwas always U S S R.
And the first time that thecountry of Ukraine ever saw the
light of day was at the fall ofthe Soviet Union.
When all of a sudden each ofthese regions, each of these
ter.
Became an independent country.

(02:13:33):
So really the history of Ukraineis the history of Russia.
It's the same exact biologicalpeople.
There's no DNA a differencebetween Ukrainians and Russians.
There is a d n a difference.
If you look at French people andGermans, Europeans, even though
they have the eu, have verydifferent distinct biological
characteristics.

(02:13:54):
There is zero difference betweenUkraine and Russia because it's
always been the same country.
Now it's been invaded a numberof times.
Like Poland occupied a goodchunk of Ukraine during the, I
think the 17 hundreds back whenPoland was a major power along
with Lithuania.
But there were, it was neverindependent as a country.

Adam (02:14:17):
No.

Gene (02:14:17):
so it's really more of anti-Russian sentiment than pro
Ukrainian sentiment thatexisted.
But as you got further to theeast, more of the people that
live there in, in what it's nowUkraine, were prohibition.
And so they started pushing backon this insurrection and saying,
Hey, you guys overthrewlegitimate government, we're

(02:14:38):
gonna fight for the realgovernment.
And by the way, what does thatremind you of?
Like this scenario of a countryhaving a big revolution in the
west and then slowly push.
Their way to the east.
And then there's a holdouts thatjust never end up getting
captured and turned over in theeast.
Can you think of any otherexamples of that?

Adam (02:14:58):
Mm.
Well, China would be one

Gene (02:15:00):
Oh, China.
That's right.
China, where the communismspread from the west to the east
and the country kept gettingconquered.
But Taiwan, which was a, anisland republic of China was the
last stronghold of the originalformer government of the country
of China.

Adam (02:15:20):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (02:15:22):
Same exact thing.
So what did Ukraine do?
Well from 2014 when that eventhappened up until the present
time, up until really beginningof this year when Russia did
something, they kept bombing andblasting what is, inside of of
Ukrainian territory, the easternside of Ukraine, where most of
the people were pro-Russia tothe tune of killing 20,000

(02:15:43):
civilians and countless noncivilian casualties.

Adam (02:15:47):
Yep.

Gene (02:15:48):
And so, finally, and incidentally, a lot of people
were really pissed off at Putinfor not doing anything about
this because it's our peoplegetting killed.
It's people that speak Russian.
It's people that, that want tofight for the actual government
of Ukraine, not therevolutionary government that
came in during the insurrection.
The people that oppose Nazismthat's spreading like crazy in.

Adam (02:16:11):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (02:16:12):
these people need your help.
And he kept hemming and hawingand not really doing much about
it.
There's some aid provided, it'sa typical shit that the US
usually does.
But, and then finally somethingconvinced him, and I think what
convinced him was there was ahuge buildup in Ukraine
militarily with support of NATOto once and for all, wipe out

(02:16:34):
these eastern re regions likeesque capture them and get rid
of all the troublemakers thatwere still fighting the the
Ukrainian government at thatpoint.
And I think once it would becameclear that there was going to be
a massive pu push of 400,000troops from Ukraine into these

(02:16:56):
fairly small regions which havebeen depleted over the last, I
guess eight years.
And I had a lot of the men or adie defending them that Putin
made the decision to come in andstop this.
And just simply by entering thecountry, they prevented the tack

(02:17:16):
from being executed.
And I think initially thethoughts of, of Putin and, and
Russia in general, were like,okay, this should be like a two,
maybe three month operation willcome in.
They'll be a little bit ofskirmishes, they're gonna
realize that we're serious.
We're not fucking around.

(02:17:36):
And they're going to back away.
They're gonna back off.
They're gonna let these peoplelive independently.
They're gonna stop harassing andbombing the hell out of'em and
blowing up schools andkindergartens.
And and that's really the mainreason that Russia came in
there.
But that's not what happened.
What happened is, as soon asthis happened, American and well

(02:18:00):
Western in general, militarycorporations saw a great
opportunity to test theirequipment, to create some cool
videos for selling their gearand to get rid of old gear from
us and NATO coffers.
It's like, we sold'em this shit15 years ago.

(02:18:20):
We really need them to get ridof all that old stuff and buy
the new stuff.
And I think that's ultimatelywhere the big push came from for
NATO support of Ukraine and thismassive amount of transfer of
old equipment, which is whatUkraine's been getting because
it's a way to get rid of it.
It's a way to create newpurchase orders and everybody

(02:18:44):
loves to just give Russia thefinger so you know, you might as
well.
It's a good opportunity.
And who cares?
They're Ukrainians.
It doesn't matter how manyUkrainians die.
This is literally the thoughtpattern of Western people.
And that's why I refer to thisas.
E eventually this will end andthis will be seen as the the
Slavi Civil War and both sidesthat are currently fighting each

(02:19:08):
other will have a hatred for theWest, like hasn't been seen
since World War ii,

Adam (02:19:13):
And it's probably gonna reunite those two.

Gene (02:19:16):
guaranteed 100% because the Ukrainians will start not
just, I think a lot of'emalready realized this, but
they'll be in a position to dosomething about the fact that
none of this had to happen.
None of these deaths needed tohappen.
The only reason that this ishappening is because a, the, the

(02:19:37):
west over through the governmentof the country in an
insurrection, fully paid andsponsored for, and then they
kept pushing further and furthereast, right up to the borders
with Russia.
And so the West created thisproblem for the Ukrainian
people, which has resulted in ahuge displacement of people from

(02:19:59):
Ukraine fleeing and the deathsof hundreds of thousands.
In fact, well, at least ahundred thousand.
I think that's a minimal numberright now of Ukrainian men have
died already.
Probably about 50,000 Russiandeaths as well.
And,

Adam (02:20:12):
So, so let me ask you, do you think that it's eventually
gonna turn into the samebuilding blocks that led our
involvement as the United Statesinto World War ii?

Gene (02:20:23):
I think it's closer to Vietnam.

Adam (02:20:26):
Well, I mean, yes, but cuz if you look, 19 39, 19 40, were
supporting everyone fighting.
Hitler

Gene (02:20:36):
Yeah.
We're not supporting anybody in,in 1939.
We're, we haven't startedsupporting anybody yet.

Adam (02:20:42):
well, we were already starting to send over supplies.

Gene (02:20:45):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
No, we're making a buck forsure.
Absolutely.

Adam (02:20:48):
and that's a, that, that, that's the stage that we're at
right now.

Gene (02:20:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Adam (02:20:52):
Doing the same thing in China.
Japan is moving in, they'repushing through, cuz China,
prior to World War II was a verypoor, very non technologically
advanced nation.
So we're sending over, weapons,we're sending over aircraft,
we're sending over all thisstuff.
And hey, you know what wouldreally help is if all of this

(02:21:13):
stuff that we were selling toJapan, oil and steel, well let's
just cut them.

Gene (02:21:17):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (02:21:18):
that's what led the attack at Pearl Harbor.

Gene (02:21:20):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
That, that attack was not at allrandom.
It was not unpredictable and itwas instigated by the United
States government.
I don't think that necessarilythe goal was to.

Adam (02:21:31):
Start a

Gene (02:21:32):
attack the us but the goal was definitely to legitimize an
American attack in Japan.

Adam (02:21:38):
Oh yeah,

Gene (02:21:40):
Like it's much easier to fight Japan if you can have them
attack you first.

Adam (02:21:47):
well then you don't look like a bad guy

Gene (02:21:48):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
That's not the bad guy.
That's why they keep saying inthe propaganda media that the
unprovoked attack of Russia andUkraine, they always use the
word unprovoked.
Unprovoked.

Adam (02:21:58):
and it wasn't

Gene (02:21:59):
Why are they using, that word every time?
Because it's not true.
Because it was a clearlyprovoked response to American
middling.

Adam (02:22:12):
American meddling.
And also with the shit that wasgoing on over there, I mean, you
poke a bear so many times,eventually it's gonna get you,

Gene (02:22:19):
Yeah.
So again, the propaganda is verythick.
Unfortunately, it's working on alot of people that watch Fox
News just as much as they watchcnn.

Adam (02:22:30):
oh, you mean sheep?

Gene (02:22:32):
yeah.
Sheep.
Yeah.
People that think that if theysee something on tv or if the
government tells'em that it wasan insurrection on January 6th,
well that must be true.
Then those people ought to be inprison.
That, and our, our formerpresident ought to be lined up
against a wall and shot.
That's what these people think.

Adam (02:22:49):
yeah.
And I still, I, when I heardthat the other day, I just my
mouth fell open because it's

Gene (02:22:58):
And they're not saying it, ironically, they're, they
literally believe in that

Adam (02:23:03):
Yeah.

Gene (02:23:03):
and that's why a country's fucked.
And it's gonna get, it's justrewards.
And I, I, I mean, I say that assomebody who lives here and
isn't looking forward to thecollapse of the economic power
of the United States, from apersonal standpoint, this is
gonna suck.
Are are, we're gonna turn into athird world nation here.
And for folks your age, it'sdoubly worse because a bigger

(02:23:24):
percentage of your life is gonnabe spent in dealing with things
that as an American, you werenever expected to have to deal
with.
Shortages, shortages of product,shortages of foods,

Adam (02:23:38):
And we're still dealing with that.

Gene (02:23:42):
nowhere near to where it's gonna be.

Adam (02:23:44):
I, I really don't see anything coming back to normal.
As for supply chain issues forthe next 10 years,

Gene (02:23:52):
no, exactly.
And as I started theconversation, and I think we're
gonna wrap up cuz we've beengoing for a while here.
With the whole pendulum swingingthis year is historically
looking back at patterns.
This is the year of the asthma.
This is the year where we justhit the very edge of the swing

(02:24:12):
of the pendulum, which meansthat the next five to 10 years,
we're still not gonna be even atthe midway point.
We're gonna be at that midwaypoint, 20 years from now.
So 20 years from now is whenyou're gonna start seeing a
preponderance of people agreeingwith more, more libertarian,

(02:24:37):
more conservative typeviewpoints for the next 20
years.
It'll be shifting toward thatdirection, but the majority will
still be convinced thatsocialism, communism that, that
this mentality is the rightanswer.

Adam (02:24:54):
Yep.

Gene (02:24:55):
So I,

Adam (02:24:56):
I tell you what, Jean.
Jean, if you, if you ever comeup with a solution to speed that
pendulum up.

Gene (02:25:02):
time machine, that's the only

Adam (02:25:04):
Yeah.
Time machine.
Not

Gene (02:25:06):
yourself for 20 years and then wake back up, you'll be in
a much better world.

Adam (02:25:10):
Well you got a hot tub, don't you?
We'll just, you know there

Gene (02:25:13):
Yeah.
Hot tub time machine.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And the irony here, and I, Icertainly am not recommending
anybody move to China oranything, but we don't know
today who's going to emerge totake up that place of the
leading sort of economic growth.
Is it gonna be Singapore?
Is it gonna be China?

(02:25:33):
Is it gonna be Russia?
Is it gonna be the Middle East?
I mean, if you look at the shitthat the Saudi Arabia is putting
money into right now, They knowthat there's probably another 50
to a hundred years of oil moneyand they need to start
diversifying today.
And they're doing that.
They're, they're putting a lotof money into other things.

(02:25:53):
And it's not by diversifying, Idon't mean into other fuels.
I mean, diversifying into othermoney making things.
They need to start coming upwith ways to make money for the
country that doesn't involvesucking oil outta the ground.
But I think they are aware ofthat.
Like the current dude, I forgethis name.
Prince

Adam (02:26:13):
Oh.

Gene (02:26:14):
KM B or K b m or something, I

Adam (02:26:16):
something like that.

Gene (02:26:17):
Uh uh Yeah, like that guy, but you know, you may dislike
him because he's had peopleassassinated like Khoi who was a
CIA spy, but whatever.
Regardless of that, he's a smartdude and he knows what's good
for his country.
The country literally has hislast name, so he's gonna be
making sure that their path goeswell.

(02:26:37):
And I think a lot of that's truefor a lot of those Midland
countries.
Not exactly bright examples ofdemocracies are they, but that's
gonna be the economicpowerhouses and leaders Africa,
we could see some country reallycoming through and shining and
becoming a powerhouse in Africa.
Don't know yet.
It's right now I can't reallypoint a finger at any country in

(02:27:00):
Africa, but it could happen.
We never know Australia, notlikely because they, they've got
the western corrupt mindset.
They've gone full woke, fullbore gun confiscations, the
whole thing.
Putting people in prison for nottaking the Covid vaccine.
Europe is just fucked.
Europe is going back to theMiddle Ages.
They'll be lucky to maintaintheir population levels.

(02:27:21):
I think there'll be massstarvation in Europe.
I think that's extremely likelythat they will just simply not
have an ability to feed theirown populations.
Not to mention even this year,but really what they're,
everyone's saying that, thatunderstands the the energy
markets is that this year is badfor Europe.

(02:27:41):
They're, they're drasticallyshrinking.
Like how long people can keeppower running there.
There are brownouts andblackouts and temperatures.
Bylaw can't be any higher than70 degrees inside your house.
I may, may or may even be lowerthat it might be like 64
degrees, but whatever it is,things that are, there were
never any laws about the, theirlaws now, but it's really not

(02:28:01):
this winter, it's next winterthat's gonna have people dying
because this, this winter,they're still kind of, they're
colonizing the reserves thatthey still.

Adam (02:28:14):
Yeah.

Gene (02:28:16):
They're trying to make stretch things out without going
to the grocery store just byeating less food in a di per
day.
But next winter, they're gonnahave zero reserves and cold
weather.
They will literally not be ableto run power plants and without
power plants, their people willnot have heat indoors.

(02:28:37):
Germany has not had to deal withno heat indoors since 1947.
They're gonna have to deal withit next year, and that's even if
the war ends tomorrow.
Incidentally, like the warending does not mean that Europe
gets everything back.
Europe is cre the creator ofthis mess for themselves through

(02:28:57):
all their sanctions.
And those sanctions are notgoing to be shut down because
you boy, talk about a, a hit onyour pride if you have to go
back and apologize to Russia andsay, you were wrong for creating
these sanctions in the firstplace.
Now, can we buy some gas fromyou please.

(02:29:18):
And meanwhile, Russia's beenselling more fuel, more gas,
more oil to China in India.
The, the numbers were publishedjust recently for 2022 as we
rounded up the end of the year.
And the Russian revenues fromoil and gas industry.
In 2022, the year with all theWestern sanctions, right?

(02:29:40):
You wanna take a stab at whathappened to oil and gas?
Wrong use.

Adam (02:29:43):
Hmm.

Gene (02:29:44):
Remember we've had now 11 rounds of sanctions against
Russia.

Adam (02:29:49):
I, I don't even know.

Gene (02:29:51):
Yeah.
Revenues up by 28%.

Adam (02:29:55):
Wow.

Gene (02:29:56):
That's a hell of a year.
When sanctions are in, in force,when your revenues go up by a
third, literally.
And that's room that's alsoconsidering that somebody
mysteriously that speaksEnglish, blew up the pipeline to
Germany.

Adam (02:30:12):
Yeah.

Gene (02:30:13):
Like that whole revenue is gone.
But even still with all of that,revenues are up 28%.
Call production is up 1%.
Production of exports, ofliquified natural gas by Russia
is up by 8%.
And most of that is going toEurope through Turkey and

(02:30:34):
through, well both Turkey andGreece.
Like they're basically doing themoney laundering of Russian
energy and then reselling itback to Europe for higher
prices.
Oil exports from Russia increaseby 7% overall.
So Europe's not getting thatoil.
Who's getting that oil?
Oh, China's getting it.
India's getting it both.
The two largest countries in theworld are now getting Russian

(02:30:59):
oil instead of Europe gettingthat oil.

Adam (02:31:02):
Yep.

Gene (02:31:02):
It, it's it's insane.
It's the sanctions only hurtEurope and to some extent the US
but mostly Europe and didnothing to hurt Russia
financially at all.

Adam (02:31:14):
Oh, but,

Gene (02:31:15):
pulls out of there and all these American brands

Adam (02:31:17):
oh, that, that was gonna hurt them,

Gene (02:31:20):
Yeah.
Boy, is that

Adam (02:31:21):
uncle, uncle Joe.
He swore that he was gonna laythe hammer down with

Gene (02:31:26):
Yeah.
Oh, don't throw me in the Briarpatch.
Whatever you do.
Not the Briar patch.
No.
Anything but that.
So all these companies that hadto pay franchise fees to
American brands, Europeanbrands,

Adam (02:31:40):
They got fucked.

Gene (02:31:41):
they're all, no, they didn't get fucked because now
they're still running the samestores.
They're still selling the sameproduct.
Remember the product's comingfrom China, it's not coming

Adam (02:31:50):
Oh, yep, yep.

Gene (02:31:52):
They're still selling the same stuff, but now they don't
have to pay the franchise fees.
They just got a boost of about15% to their bottom lines.
Thank you, I mean, it's likeJesus Christ who is planning
this shit.
How do you, you can't do.
Sanctions of luxury goods to acountry that you get raw

(02:32:17):
materials from.
That's called shooting yourselfin the foot.

Adam (02:32:21):
Yeah.

Gene (02:32:22):
The US gets the nuclear material that it uses in all of
its nuclear power plants.
From who?
From Russia?
Yeah.
The US gets 90% of its titaniumfrom Russia and the other 10%
from China.
What do you use titanium for?
Oh, let's see.

(02:32:43):
Military equipment.
Oh, great.
Good planning.
Good planning.

Adam (02:32:50):
Yeah.

Gene (02:32:50):
Europe gets 80% of its grain from Russia and US and
Ukraine combined 80%.
So if Ukraine's the middle of awar and you put in sanctions
against Russia, you just cut off80% of the grain to your
country.

Adam (02:33:08):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (02:33:10):
I was like, nobody with a brain would make these
decisions.
These decisions are literallymade in a vacuum by people who
won't be affected.
Why?
Because they're the actualruling class.
They're not politicians.
They are the rich people.
The modern day barons.
Yeah.
Oligarch is basically what wecall the Russian and, and East

(02:33:33):
European versions of this.
But you know, Elon Mosque is anoligarch.
Jeff Bezos is an oligarch.
All these people are oligarchs.
But Jeff Bezos owns his ownnewspaper.
How the hell is that differentfrom what we saw in the Middle
Ages of the guy that owned thetake your pick whatever
industry, the street, the theTempur back in the day Knight

(02:33:55):
Templer they grew tremendouslybecause they offered a service.
They kind of fell into it,really.
They, because they were spreadaround from Europe to the Middle
East, they offered a bankingservice that allowed you to send
money from any of theirlocations to any other location.
So if you wanted to send moneyfrom France to Jerusalem for, to

(02:34:18):
pay the salaries of your troopsthat you mounted for your
crusades, you did it through theKnight's Temple.
There was one organization thatwas not happy about this one
bit.
Do you know who that is?

Adam (02:34:31):
Well, my medieval history is not really up to par.

Gene (02:34:34):
okay.
All right.
Well, that would be the Vatican

Adam (02:34:38):
Oh, well

Gene (02:34:39):
Yes.
Because that was

Adam (02:34:40):
I was going to guess Vatican, but I didn't wanna
sound like a complete ile, butHuh.
That does not

Gene (02:34:50):
That would've been a very good guess on your part if you
would've said it.
Absolutely.
It, it's a and, and the Vaticandidn't want the competition.
They didn't, like they alreadyhad, they courted the market
basically on taxation.
They had an exclusivity withcrowning King.
So if you were a king anywherein the Western world, you

(02:35:11):
weren't a king until you werecrowned by the

Adam (02:35:14):
the Pope.

Gene (02:35:15):
The Pope is the one that anointed you, gives you God's
blessing to be the ruler of yourcountry.
So that was a very nice racketthat they created.
And then of course, that meantthat they could get money and
troops and favors and power fromEuropean countries.
And during the Crusades when allthese European countries like
France and England and Spainwere sending knights to

(02:35:40):
recapture the holy lands thethat seemed like a good idea,
except that in the process ofdoing that, it, it really grew
and created a lot of wealth andpower for the Knights Temple,
and the Vatican was gonna havenone of that.
And so find the, the plot washatched to take down the
Knight's Temple.

(02:36:01):
By the Vatican who usedcombinations of relationships
with different different royaltyand rulers in different places
and private mercenaries, andthen literally orchestrated a
Europe-wide campaign that on thesame day had leaders of the

(02:36:21):
Knights Templer in every regionarrested at the same time.
Now part of the reason too thatthis happened is because the
Vatican was also using theKnights Templer to move money
around, and they had built up asubstantial debt to the Knights
because they would, essentiallysay, well send money to these
guys, and then we'll, we'll payyou later.

(02:36:42):
Well, you, you gotta trust theVatican, right?
They're rich, that's, they'llpay their bills until they
won't.
And so on Friday the 13th, whichis where that day comes from in
1307, all the Knight's Templarwere rounded up and charged with
heresy.
And that's where Friday the 13thcomes from that.

(02:37:02):
What how, how, how long is that?
That's 700 plus years later,almost 800 years later.
We're still using Friday the13th as a designation of an
unlucky day.
We just had one last Friday, bythe way.

Adam (02:37:16):
Yes, we did.

Gene (02:37:18):
So history is great.
I wish more people would readhistory because the more you
know about history, the more youstart seeing cycles and
patterns, the more you startrealizing that things repeat all
the time.
Because every generation stepsinto the mistakes of the past,
and then in the way ofcorrecting the mistakes of the
past makes bigger blunders ontheir own.

Adam (02:37:40):
And that like, that's why I always tell people there's no
such thing as bad history.
There may have been some badthings that happened, but
without seeing the past resultsof people's actions, people are
dubious to just go and do itagain.

Gene (02:37:56):
Oh, absolutely.

Adam (02:37:57):
repeats itself

Gene (02:37:59):
Yeah.
History repeats itself becauseour memories are biological.
They're very limited, books to alarge extent help alleviate that
problem, but only if you getpeople to read'em.

Adam (02:38:09):
well, and a lot of people don't don't even own books.

Gene (02:38:13):
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
They just will, they, they ownInstagram They, they just wanna
look at photos of, of otherpeople doing things

Adam (02:38:22):
Yeah.

Gene (02:38:22):
then complain about'em.

Adam (02:38:25):
Yeah.
Welcome to welcome to 2023

Gene (02:38:28):
All right.
Well, on that note, I thinkwe'll wrap things up.
Hopefully y'all enjoyed thisepisode.
We cover a whole bunch ofdifferent topics and.
It's, it's good having, I enjoyhaving perspectives of people
that are of variety of ages aswell.
So, I think at your age andprobably your background and
upbringing as well certainlyputs you a lot closer to my

(02:38:49):
thought patterns than Zach, theguy that we had who's 20.
But I'm sure that there areplenty of things that well, in
fact, I know a lot of peoplethat are my age that are sort of
more traditionally sociallyconservative than I am, cuz I'm
pretty socially liberal.
I'm just financiallyconservative.
I think a lot of those peoplewould probably have more, more

(02:39:11):
things in that they woulddisagree with you on, but, oh,
it seems like we have a veryvery similar worldview right
now.

Adam (02:39:20):
Yes.
Yes.
I believe we do.

Gene (02:39:22):
Both like 23 year old girls.
I mean, what else is

Adam (02:39:25):
Yeah, I, mean, I, I, I, I'm still gonna say 20 threes is
a little bit too young,

Gene (02:39:29):
a little too young.
Okay.
Well you take the

Adam (02:39:31):
E e even for me, I'll take the olden ones.
Oh, well, heck, I could shake onthat

Gene (02:39:34):
Good deal.

Adam (02:39:36):
gene.
It's been a pleasure.

Gene (02:39:37):
well thank you.
I appreciate you coming in andI'm sure I'm sure we'll get some
comments out of this and maybewe'll have you back in.

Adam (02:39:44):
Sounds good.

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